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#758 Running Out of Time? Why Trump Matters, 60 Million Adults Abused As Children, The "Safe Home" That Isn't · Claymore: Become Who You Are

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  SPEAKER_00: It had to come to the point where they were on the verge of creating a nuclear weapon before anybody took action.
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  SPEAKER_00: And his action now has caused the price of gasoline to go up, so the midterms are endangered because people are paying too much for gas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, this kind of horrible self-interest rather than looking out for the interest of the country is ultimately going to destroy us unless people begin to look at this and say, these policies help us.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are short-term cost, long-term gain.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't get people out to support him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Estimates from the CDC and other sources say that upwards of one out of every four girls and one out of every six boys have been sexually abused by the age of eighteen years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's upwards of sixty million adults in the United States were sexually abused as children.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really mind-blowing.
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  SPEAKER_01: When most of us hear the words child trafficking, an image immediately comes to mind.
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  SPEAKER_01: We picture a runaway teenager, a predator, a pimp, a motel, perhaps a child abducted by a stranger or someone being transported across the border.
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  SPEAKER_01: We imagine something somewhere else to someone else's child.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what if that picture is incomplete?
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  SPEAKER_01: What if some of the children being trafficked in the United States go home every night?
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  SPEAKER_01: What if they attend school the next morning?
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  SPEAKER_01: What if some of them even sit uh beside us in church on Sundays?
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  SPEAKER_01: What if the person exploiting that child is the very person society assumes is protecting him or her?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tom, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: You wrote an article.
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  SPEAKER_01: Child trafficking in America often begins at home.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for writing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm doing good.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that struck me about your article is that you admit that you had a misunderstanding of this familial child trafficking yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: You spent years working in this field, yet your research changed the way you understood this problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: What was it, Tom?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was there a specific case that got you starting to look at this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it was a steady kind of dawning on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess one of the things I had done a couple of articles on these gay couples who were sexually trafficking their children, and I thought that might have been unique to that community.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I started looking into that a little bit more and discovered that, well, no, there are uh heterosexual families where this happens too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most often in the United States, though, the mother is the one that's the trafficking the child.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had mentioned sexual abuse in the beginning, but to find the the difference as we're talking here, the way you're looking at this from you know, just this general sexual abuse, are you are you differentiating that where you're talking about child trafficking?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the trafficking, I had always thought of trafficking being more of a third world problem where families had multiple children and they couldn't afford them, they would sell some of them into slavery.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually it would be the girl, so they'll sell the girl uh labor or sex trafficking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually they they try to find it as a labor trafficking overseas, but they'll also sell boys for labor as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because uh it if they have excess boys, then then you know it it gives them a little bit more money for the rest of the family.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's amazing that this stuff still goes on today, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's quite common in third world countries.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not that rare.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and so I thought that we don't have that kind of third world dynamic going on here in this country, so I really didn't think it was that much of an issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Actually there were three different couples that I looked at where this was a a dominant theme.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were gay couples, adopted children, and they were selling the the children their selling their pictures, selling them for sexual purposes.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was to make money.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of them there was uh the Trong and Newtons who married and had adopted a child from from Russia, paid eight thousand dollars for the boy from Russia, and and then uh they were getting ready to adopt another one from Malaysia and were gonna pay a hundred thousand dollars for this for this one from Malaysia.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that gives you some indication of how much money they were making off of these these children.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: And they went all over the world selling pictures and also selling access to the child where the children would the their child would would be the subject of sexual abuse by men uh you know throughout the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so these kind of and and then there was a couple there's another couple in Georgia that were doing the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were doing mostly for uh for local people, they weren't going all over the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about a hetero heterosexual couple here?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ones that I found that are heterosexuals are mostly poor people, but and and they're selling the child not for money but for drugs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's usually the the mother that of the cases that they find, it's usually the mother that's involved in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's some common things that you find in these in these cases is that the children are pretty much isolated from other people, and uh you know the family has a lot of problems.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so how prevalent is this, Tom, when we when we start to to to look at it?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, are these just one-off cases or are you seeing you know, when we t we there's a lot of sexual abuse going on with kids, like I mentioned right in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I'm giving a talk, uh you know, I mentioned this often to people.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: I said, you know, one out of every four statistically in this audience, one out of every four women has been sexually abused in some way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not always raped, right, but different ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: One out of every six boys.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again, this is not just something that just happens periodically, is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's there's no way to know exactly how many that they're that are being abused or being trafficked because it's in any hidden crime like this, it's not like you have a car accident.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're kind of hard to hide a car accident, but it's very easy to hard hide somebody who's been sexually trafficked or sexually abused.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: One of the biggest problems currently with with uh the whole area of sexual abuse of children is the fact that our culture has become so incredibly sexualized.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even back in the 70s when we were investigating this these cases, children wouldn't come forward because they thought it was their idea.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so they were hesitant to come forward because they thought they might get in trouble.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today the kids don't even think that anymore because there's this emphasis in schools starting in the earliest grades of sex education, talking about the most important thing when you when you consider sex is consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're talking to kids as young as ten years old about consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, they can't even give consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't even know what that means.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet it becomes they it becomes uh normalized for them to think that they're going to engage in sex and it's okay as long as they give consent, as long as everybody gives their consent.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, they don't understand what what that means, even.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's amazing that here in Illinois we have the national sex ed standards, and yeah, they're grooming and desensitizing these kids at a very, very early age.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that desensitization is is part of the grooming process.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so so so many of these kids are actually sexually abused in uh even in the schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: But getting back to your case about trafficking, again, you uh you had mentioned mothers that are on drugs.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also have these same women bringing men, boyfriends, into their homes, you know, that are seeing these kids run around, and we find out the mom is gone and the and and the stranger, really in the home, is sexually grooming andor abusing children also.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, the the reason I brought up that you know the desensitizing and the consent issue is because this affects even the mothers.
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  SPEAKER_00: The mothers are or any of the parents that are involved in trafficking their own children, if they were raised and they believe that there's sex is no big deal, and as long as it's consensual, it's okay, then there's less of an inhibition that they have in trafficking their own child because they think, well, it's no big deal, and I need the drugs, and so you you can you can give this guy what he wants, and so why why why should you be bothered by it?
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  SPEAKER_01: How does that how does somebody reach that point, Tom?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it is it you're just growing up?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it you know, it be and the reason I want to make that point is if people are listening to what you just said, they go, How how could you not see this?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: But it's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: We run into this all the time, don't we?
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember that march we had filmed a clip for our presentation on stolen innocence, talking about these types of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the march was, we're here, we're queer, and we're coming for your children.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah and people were clapping for this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh you know, on the in this parade.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you just go, how can they be?
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  SPEAKER_01: But this is what we're talking about here, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's because they believe that they have a right to recruit children into that lifestyle, because that lifestyle is a good thing for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I understand why people think, how could this possibly happen?
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  SPEAKER_00: But the there's the one boy that was involved in that, uh, you know, I there's the Sherong and Newton case that they went all they took this boy all over the all over the world basically and and had him abused by others.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think he was about ten years old when they finally caught the parents and and freed this child, took to put the child into into foster care with relatives out in California.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know really what's happened to the child.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine he's had a very good life because by the time he was ten years old, that sexual activity with strangers was so normal to him it was nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was they had videos of him engaging in these activities gleefully.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was part of his lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was it was it was just as though he was going out to play baseball for the day or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so if you if you grow up in an environment where this kind of abuse is normal, you don't know anything different.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what happens with a lot of these families.
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  SPEAKER_00: They like these mothers that are trafficking their kids, they might have been trafficked themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's no big deal.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the LBGTQ lifestyle, not to throw every one of them under the bus, but but this is really what it gets down to, right?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sex is no longer has meaning or purpose, it's for pleasure, and and and and this is actually taught through the national sex ed standards that that that kids deserve to have this pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_01: They deserve the right to have this pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you just go, this is insane.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Tom, when you throw out morality, you see how fast the human person disintegrates almost, you know, and and it we become worse than than any kind of animal the way we use each other.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's like it there.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's I have that clip in our in our stolen innocence things of that woman that helped write the national standards and and was uh she's one of the primary people that is that is uh behind the writing of these standards, said that her idea is that children should be raised in an environment where sex is pleasure-based, joy-based.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pleasure-based and joy-based.
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  SPEAKER_00: These were educated.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are educators.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are people teaching people how to implement this in the schools.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can't make this stuff up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And from what I remember, she was just back from Europe.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when they when she started to ask questions about morality and meaning and purpose, they laughed at her.
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  SPEAKER_01: They laughed at her.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so this is how far we've come, and we wonder why the civilization is in the battle that's going on right now, Tom.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So how strong is the evidence about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We really have two worlds.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a we have a world that is that is focused on our traditional values and virtues, and we have another world where there is a very large part of the world that's focused on on uh pleasure and and uh self-gratification.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you think about this, we're using our children, and and I'm just I'm I'm curious to see uh how strong uh the evidence is about this kind of of uh family trafficking.
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  SPEAKER_01: How prevalent is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: But before I go there, Tom, you know, we we have these children, we're using them, right, for our own gain, to your point, you know, for whatever gain that is, drugs, money, etc.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our own hedonistic, nihilistic view of the world, and yet we'll abort them at the drop of a hat.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have no problem with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just shows you how far we've fallen, uh Thomas.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but when we're talking about this, do we have some stats on on this?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, we have no idea how much trafficking there actually is, but the familial trafficking is a substantial percentage of the overall child trafficking in the United States.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily overseas, but in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the even globally, the uh intrafamilial ta uh trafficking is is fairly substantial according to some of the the uh trafficking in persons reports.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I know that some children uh are scared to to to report it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't even know how to report it, first of all, but if they do report it, if they're asked by somebody, they're they're afraid because they they think they're not gonna have a home anymore.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean it's bad.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Not only that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not only that, they they why would you report something that's normal?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: Then this puts us in a predicament that if we meet uh these kids or we we see that that something's wrong, I mean, you know, I I want to move from awareness to action.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as a coach, as a parent, say a youth minister, a priest, somebody, you know, just some young men listening to this podcast, a child's not gonna walk up to us and say, I'm being trafficked by someone in the family.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: They might not even have the vocabulary to your point, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so what can we do?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: What should we do in a case like this?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you know, it we're gonna get in the middle of a quagmire here, Aaron.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, you know, you need to you need to look out for the regular signs of the child is being abused.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: One of them is their child is isolated, child exhibits sexualized behavior.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: That and if the isolation is being uh directed by a parent, then you might be looking at the familial child trafficking kind of situation rather than the you know, somebody that's been snatched away or or uh run away and being and being trafficked.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest thing is the is the sexualization that you can see.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I I that's that's getting harder to detect.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was just at uh Denny's the other day and there were five girls that young you know, young women that uh went up to pay their bill before before I got uh got up to the count to the cash register and every one of them was they might have not as might might not have been might as well not have been wearing any clothes.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was you could there's not there was nothing left to the the imagination.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the problem is that that I see this in my own church.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not like this this immodest dress, and I don't want to sound like some kind of a prude, but the immodesty in dress, both by men and women today, is not even spoken of in the church.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's a problem.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that what what you normally see in in children who are who are trafficked is a sexualized dressing.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you have a younger children, and in this case, the the familial child trafficking here in the US is generally the younger kids, ten to ten to thirteen in that area that they'll be they'll be trafficked.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if you see these younger children being dressed in a sexual manner or a sexualized kind of manner, that's a that should be a red flag.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: If they act in a sexual manner like in that in that French movie that was on Netflix for a while, I can't remember the name of it.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um They had that thing called cuties, right?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: Cutties, that's what it is.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cuties is the one I was thinking of, trying to think of.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: And s and so you have a girl acting like that and dressing in that manner.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a child that is being isolated by a parent or isolated by somebody else.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Those are some of the signs that you can look for.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I could I could see girls, I mean, dressing a certain way, like like this cuties, but how about boys?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, they're how can they dr they're not going to be dressing in a way that's uh would say, hey, something's up with them.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're well they might they might be wearing short shorts and Yeah, I don't see that too often, yeah, so much.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I think they just get quiet, reserved, uh, like you said, isolated, and uh it it's a different issue.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: The other issue is when you do raise these issues and child welfare system looks at these children, there's a tendency, isn't it, for family re reunification.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: You you want to keep the family together, etc.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably natural.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: And too often uh these children are going back into these into these families again.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what I would do if I had a concern like that is I would call the police.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't call DCFS because I think they're worthless.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd call the the national uh human trafficking hotline.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but again, these are these are tough issues, you know, and and I would say even for myself, you know, I see, like you said, these girls at at Denny's, you know, they're they're sexualizing themselves to a certain extent.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've been groomed to this, they've been desensitized to this, but they have no understanding of what they're doing, you know, uh to be to be almost pornographic images to people as they're looking at them.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can tell a difference between somebody that's being trying to be like their peers and somebody who is who is fully sexualized.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: That you can you can you can tell by the way they move, the flirtatiousness that they might have, the the uh But I'm not gonna call that I'm not gonna call the police on them, though, is my point.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: You can look at that and say, well, what else do I know about this person?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: And is the is this child like a lot of times you run into children like this and you know the parent or they're your neighbor.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: The child that is your neighbor, and you can you know what the parent is like and how the parent is is isolating the child or whatever it might be, and you can see that the the people might have a drug problem, that there might be other issues in the going on in the home.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do this necessarily with everybody you come across, but there's certain if you if you're in a if you're in a situation where you can learn more about that person, you give more you have more information you can pass on to the police, and more information you can pass on to the National Human Trafficking Hotline because they can maintain records.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: They might not do anything about it the first time, but if they get multiple reports about the same thing, then they might be able to do something.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's just a difficult situation.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: When the morality breaks down in a culture, you you you put us in a difficult situation.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when my kids were small, you'd run across kids that were obviously uh not being raised properly, the way they spoke, the way they dressed, the way they acted.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: But the your first action is to keep your kids away from those kids and to try to isolate them away from us, right?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh the police were only going to get called finally, and and this is the way it worked with us, you know, is the police were finally gonna get called because these kids were out of control, and you'd just say, hey, you know, they're disturbing, they're running around wrecking things, disturbing the neighborhood.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Can you stop by?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of the way it worked in my own experience of this.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: But even that was not something we did right away.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just took, you know, months and months and months of just getting tired of putting up with these kids, you know, and it's you'd finally say, Hey, is there anything you guys can, you know, as police, is there anything you can do about this, right?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: And but and then you'd say, uh, but I don't want to use my name, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I I don't want them to be coming over here and throwing eggs at my rocks, right?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Which is possible.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: You can report it anonymously and you can tell the you can tell the police that listen, this is this is what's going on.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if you can do anything about it, but yeah I think you should be aware.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well they do they they did.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: The police used to drive through the neighborhood, uh, especially toward evening when these things would be happening after dinner.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they would.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they would.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: And they they stopped by that house a number of times and and uh went up to the door and just you know uh talked to them.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: So they they they they were proactive.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, let me give you an example of a case where I it this actually involved a runaway.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't it wasn't It wasn't a familiar child sex abuse case, but um it was a runaway case that I that I found this girl that had she's out in Portland, Oregon, and and I went out went out to get her.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: The police went to pick her up and I went with them to to get a girl that they thought was a runaway.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: When they made contact with the people in the house, they discovered that they were selling meth and they also so they made a big arrest.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: They brought multiple police cars in.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: When the police all came, I'm standing out out in in the street, because I'm, you know, I'm just a bystander, basically.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just took them there to the to show them where the girl was.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: All these neighbors in the neighborhood came flowing out of their houses and came up to talk to me and say, What's going on?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Says, well, they just made the arrest and they got these.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy says, Well, it's about time.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've been we could been complaining to the police and the state's attorney for months about this, that they the neighbors all saw just all kinds of problems with the with this house.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: They said they knew the little they knew the girls were there.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: They were both like in they were both like 15, and they they saw a steady flow of guys in and out of that house all day long.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And they said they they were sure it was drugs and sex that were being sold out of there.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: So they knew about it, and they had they had reported to the police and the state's attorney, but they hadn't done anything about it.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there's a lot of places today that will do something about it.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if you see things like that, even if it's a it's easier for people to report if if it's not necessarily a father and or a mother and a father uh living in the home and and there's uh it's their own child that's involved.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's easier to report if it's if it obviously is not a family.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: If it is a family, you will see the same things.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: You'll see flows of people into the house.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: You'll see them doing strange things that uh probably shouldn't be going on.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: And and I don't think it's a good idea to neglect telling the police about it.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: The police might go ahead and call DCFS and get them involved because then the DCFS can actually go into the house and take a look around.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I would always report to the police, not to DCFS, because while the police will report to DCFS, DCFS won't necessarily report to the police.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the police need to be aware of this.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the things that we can do, we have to turn this culture around, Tom, and and each person can do this.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes we think, well, the culture's gone so far we can't do anything, but we have a window uh with the Trump administration here.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: We've got the midterms coming up.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: If we don't come back to what John Adams said, you know, a moral and religious people is gonna continue to deteriorate.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Two things.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you and I are gonna be talking more about the parental rights uh initiative that we can all talk about in our schools.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: We'll try to make it easy, especially with the Supreme Court decisions on Mahmud and uh Mirabelli.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you're gonna do some research into that.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: We can we can go to our school boards and make sure that the parental rights notifications are are implemented from the Trump administration, from the Supreme Court.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: But if we don't win these midterms, and if the Trump administration doesn't have the power to continue these positive changes in our culture, you're gonna have the Biden administration again, but it's gonna be even worse, putting the Richard Levines back in at HHS and pushing this LBGTQ uh ideology, which is again for kids is is really sexual uh desensitizing them, grooming them, actually being pro-trans.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you can't make this stuff up.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Our culture, just before Trump came in, Tom, I thought there's no way we'll ever turn this thing around.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: But with him in there at least, there's a glimmer.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Parents need to stand up, but uh unfortunately it's it's not so easy to get them to stand up either.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing we can do is with the John Paul II Renewal Center, we have a an apostolate for parents and kids called Love Ed.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: So you can teach your children what you need to do, you need to fill them up, and it's very easy.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a no-brainer, actually, why parents would leave the sexual education to a corrupt school system, Tom, is beyond me, but they do it all the time.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I you know, I think that one of the things that people need to remember about this these midterms is that President Trump is doing things that are that are actually hurting him but helping the United States.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: His actions against the Ayatollahs over in Iran is one of the best things that I've seen any president ever do.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: It should have been done 47 years ago when they first took over.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it had to come to the point where they were on the verge of creating a nuclear weapon before anybody took action.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: And his action now has caused the price of gasoline to go up, so the midterms are endangered because people are paying too much for gas.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, this kind of horrible self-interest rather than looking out for the interest of the country is ultimately gonna destroy us unless people begin to look at this and say, these policies help us.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: They are short-term cost, long-term gain.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: And if we don't get people out to support him, you know, the next two years are gonna be nothing but investigations of the Trump administration.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Multiple impeachments, again, for of uh President Trump.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: And and the the another point I'd make, you know, because we're talking about sex trafficking here, is was just this open border policy that Trump shut down.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, 350,000 plus children went missing.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And and how many of them were sex trafficked, you know, and and or at least traffic from a labor slash sex standpoint.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: 350,000.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Most of them were trafficked in some way.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the Trump administration came in and they're identifying these kids, trying to find as many as they can and breaking up these rings.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the Biden administration did the opposite.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: They facilitated all of this stuff.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And and so politics and and our vote makes a difference, right?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Bishop Sheen saying, he said, you know, if if the country would ever come down and get corrupt, it's because people didn't pay attention to the people they were putting in office.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly what's happening.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: People have these short-term memories, you know, how much of his gas.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: I get it, but to your point, uh, you know, he's you if you give him just a little bit of time, he's bringing industry and manufacturing.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's even even making uh our own medications here in the United States again.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Cars dependent on medication during COVID.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're dependent on medication and also on uh basic like like those masks that that people were supposed to wear, the N ninety-five masks.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't make them here.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, and and you know, even things like oil.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, oil might be up right now, but what what would it be if we continued with this uh this this climate hoax and and we were actually Biden administration came in and and put a kibosh to the oil oil drilling here again in the United States?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: He shut down all kinds of spots all over the country where we couldn't drill anymore.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: In a short time, Trump was able to open those things up.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if we think oil prices are high now, what would they be like, Tom, if if we just shut down the the capacity to to produce oil?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: We now produce more more oil than Saudi Arabia and the Soviet Union combined.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how much we're we're producing here now.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and we've opened up Venezuela too.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of good things happening, but we have to do our part, uh, Tom, and vote for for you know moral and and and religious people.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: And when I listen to the the Trump cabinet, you know, they they they publicize some of the cabinet's meetings, and it's amazing.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're praying before look at politics is messy.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: These aren't perfect people.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're not perfect, and either am I.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the day, uh we're gonna try these, you know, the socialists and the Marxists and the neo-Marxists and the radical Muslims that we have here.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: Tom, the the I really Kamala here is Tim Walls.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Look what look what's gone on in Minnesota.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: What what uh Dick Shirley, this young guy, is exposed with the Somali uh, you know, uh daycare centers and stuff, and and and you have these these uh early leering center, the leering centers.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right, the leering center.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have a shirt now that says that I I bought a shirt from Nick Shirley.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: And in the hospice centers in L in Los Angeles, they've all been shut down, Tom.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: From a young guy like that saving us you know billions and billions of dollars.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh CDL uh licensing facilities, too, that are licensing all these illegals.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's amazing.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: I just I I'll tell you, I just can't be more grateful that of this administration.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Look at Robert Kennedy, even Robert Kennedy.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's keep he's doing things that are keeping the food industry from poisoning us and and improving the medications and keeping kids from getting 87 vaccines by the time they're two years old.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so just unreal.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and you know, helping the restorative farming, you know, we've we lost tens of thousands of family farms over the last decades.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: And these big corporations are buying this stuff up.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Look, look what he just and now let me just finish that.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: With restorative farming, they don't use the fertilizers, they don't use all those herbicides, they don't use all the pesticides, and they do it in a natural way, and you can actually make a profitable farm, a smaller farm, and uh and and be able to make a living on that.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: It it's amazing, and and they take care of the land in the suspicion.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Still a little suspicious of these crops that don't need any kind of uh pesticides because uh they've been genetically engineered to kill kill the kill the bugs that try to eat them.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: What if they're killing the bugs, what are they doing to me?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's a s that's a scary thing for sure, right?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you have one thing after another that they're doing correctly and trying to do uh positively.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we gotta stay on a roll with this, don't we?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and and really this uh the increased oil prices are for for what's happening because of the Middle East are literally only temporary because we've done nothing but increase the production of it elsewhere, and a lot of alternative methods of getting it through the straits are being developed as we speak.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: And Iran is going to be brought to heel at some point.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: The only reason why they're doing doing all the the things they're doing right now is to is to hurt Trump in the midterm.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: So we we can't allow people to let them win on that.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: And don't forget, you know, without getting into the weeds, too much.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, China money is flowing into still flowing into Iran, you know, backing up some of the stuff, and still that money is flowing in and still sponsoring terrorists around the world.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: So but but the the the last thing I'll say on this, Tom, is I I started to lose faith in our own country to do the the the morally righteous thing even overseas until Trump came back in again and dismantled uh you know some of these agencies like USAID that was pushing abortion and gender ideologies and socialists and and part of taking down governments, they were famous for helping to take the CIA take down governments in other countries.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: We had no business being there, you know.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a different this is a different situation when you have it.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: One of the more practical things that just came out was that the disaster in Nepal, where the initial claim was that this glacier collapsed because it was of global warming.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that wasn't it at all.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: It turned out that the it wasn't the glacier that collapsed, it was the rock underneath it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: The rock was fractured in in the glacier weight caused the entire mountain to go down.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: The deep state was alive and well.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just I just saw that uh that we have less federal employees now.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it's look at the very short time Trump came in.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Less we we're we're back down to 1966 levels right now.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I thought there's no way anybody was ever going to shrink the federal workforce, and sure enough he did it.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if we could start to shrink this workforce in Illinois here, Tom, and and and get this bloated bureaucracy and this corrupt system out of Illinois, it would be awesome.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: But I'll tell you what, it with Trump in at least he's pushing back on states like Illinois, the sanctuary cities, the crime, all of those things.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, crime rates, the murder rate is is down to the point where, since for the last hundred years, I think, since 1913, the amount of murders.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so you go, the opposite was happening just a couple years ago.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he's been able to reverse that.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the violence on the street.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Look at look at what the BLM and the and the Antifa riots and stuff.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: They were out of control.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're still around, but they were out of control.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and now at least we have some protection.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, crime, crime is actually a crime again, Tom.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Not here.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: Not in Illinois.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, with Pritzker's cashless policies.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: But but again, that this guy will win the probably win election again, right?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh probably.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and Alexia uh Janulius is running for mayor.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And uh in the last He actually would be better than what we got.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Tom, he can't be much better.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he can't be much better.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, we we showed a clip of him in front of Congress.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, right, yeah.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And he was heading up that uh pr parents have no right uh to to ban the books that their kids are going to view in the libraries, whether it's pornographic or not.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Senator Kennedy reading from those sick books, right?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, You want these to stay in?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, it's janullius.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: We just don't want the parents, any random parent, he said, to be able to take those out of their elementary schools.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you go, what are you talking about?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: You sick.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he's he's you know, clearly he's an idiot, but he's not not like not like the now.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta get some morally some people with a moral foundation and to do this.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we definitely need that.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you know, when they're they're just not running.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know he ain't the guy, Thomas, but need the guy that's in there's gotta go.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, Tom.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: We need people that are gonna that are gonna be a bit be uh intelligent and capable.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: We need people that actually know how to to run an organization, and they don't.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thomas, good to be with you.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.