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NASA and SpaceX Delays Artemis Mission by Years [Space News Pod live replay] · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Elon Musk
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  Podcast. This is a show where we discuss
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  the critical Crossroads, The Shape, SpaceX, Tesla X, The
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  Boring Company, and Neuralink. And I'm your host, Will Walden.
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  All right, got my drink. Everything's good.
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  Hey, everybody. Welcome.
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  Welcome back. We have some weird news.
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  Not really unexpected, though. Today we have some news about
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  the Artemis program being having a little bit of a delay.
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  Sorry, I got to move my camera down a little bit so you can get
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  a better view. But the artist program, when it
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  started, the timelines were ridiculous.
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  I don't know. If you think about it, to get
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  all this stuff done in such a short amount of time is really,
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  I would say more than expected that there's a delay.
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  But it was ridiculous that they thought they were going to be
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  able to make a make a giant rocket.
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  The SLS works pretty good. We see.
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  We saw that Artemis One SLS works pretty good.
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  Artemis 2, they're gonna send people around the moon and back.
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  But they also, these are all new systems except for the the
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  engines from the space shuttle from the shuttle era.
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  So everything else, pretty new stuff.
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  So they had a few years to build this stuff, a couple years to
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  build it, and they want to. They wanted to lay it a little
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  bit, which I understand because the HLS Starship hasn't even
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  flown to orbit and made it all the way around yet.
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  The first two test flights blew up mid flight, big Starship fan.
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  But that's just what happened. It's an extremely experimental
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  spacecraft right now. They've been working on it
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  forever. So we know that the Starship is
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  in a phase where it might make it on launch #3 to orbit and
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  also make it all the way around to the coast of Hawaii, which
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  would be insanely cool, very cool.
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  But what's the what's the timeline on that?
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  We. Don't exactly know.
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  We don't exactly know. Elon and SpaceX don't even know.
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  They don't know when it's gonna make it around.
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  I wish more people would be more logical about things like this,
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  because as much as I love SpaceX and I want Starship to succeed,
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  it's and this isn't just about Starship.
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  There's also a Boeing. But the things that we can see
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  are Starship, and it's not the place where I could send people
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  anywhere near the moon. At this point.
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  Don't even put anybody near the Starship.
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  It's in a good spot. Starships in a really good spot.
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  For the second flight, they did fantastic.
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  Flight 3 will probably be way better than Flight 2 in one, but
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  they you can't put people on that thing yet.
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  And I know they're going to transfer them while they're in
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  space, but you just can't do it. It's not safe yet.
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  So it's going to take them a while for them to figure that
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  out. It's going to take them a while
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  to figure out some other delays that are happening.
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  There's a Boeing delay that's happening.
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  So Artemis 2 is going to probably be pushed back a year.
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  Maybe they were talking months, but maybe a year, maybe two.
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  There was some battery issues, batteries during vibration tests
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  that have been leaked, batteries will need to be replaced.
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  So that's in the Orion capsule. So that's the crew capsule that
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  people will be using to transfer to the Starship so they can go
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  to the surface of the moon. So the Artemis 2 mission, they
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  can't use that system right now because it needs to be replaced.
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  Those batteries need to be replaced.
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  Could be months for that replacement, but they have to go
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  through rigorous testing of those batteries and rigorous
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  testing of the Orion capsule when they put the batteries in.
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  Because it's not like they just put a bat.
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  Like when you put a battery in your car, if you've ever done
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  that, you just unattach the positive and the negative.
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  Take out the old battery. Of course your car's off when
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  you do this. Put your new battery in, put
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  those things back on, connect it back together and then your car
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  will probably start up the first time.
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  And if not, you give it like a couple seconds.
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  You start it up again and your car works fine, everything's
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  great. This is a moon capsule that has
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  100,000 parts in it, and this has to keep people alive off
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  world, going to the moon, replacing batteries.
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  Super important. And they have to do rigorous
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  testing. Artemis 3, which is planned for
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  the first mission to land on the moon which would be 2025 using
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  Starship probably gonna get pushed back because SpaceX is
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  taking longer than expected to get some of those milestones
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  hit. So we're gonna, we're gonna tune
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  into NASA's broadcast here in a minute.
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  But I want to make sure that we're covering a few things
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  before we get into that because kind of have to be ready.
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  We have to be ready for this. I got to pull this up for you
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  too. If you have any questions, let
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  me know in the chat too. And also welcome everybody in
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  the chat. And NASA's going to be starting
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  at about 8 1/2 minutes, 8 1/2 minutes for NASA.
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  So yeah, let me know what you guys said.
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  Game over, said David Redfern. No, they're just going to push
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  it back a little bit. In the Space Flight, things are
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  delayed all the time, a couple months to a year.
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  Space Flight is literally the hardest thing that people do.
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  It's literally the hardest thing because people believe the
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  Earth. Like, you got to be good at what
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  you do and you got to make sure that everyone is safe.
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  If you think about it in that context, like you're going to
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  literally leave the world, our Earth, and go to space, you have
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  to make these systems absolutely perfect.
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  Nobody can be hurt. Nobody, nothing can be damaged.
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  Anything that goes wrong during these flights, it's absolutely,
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  it absolutely has to go 100% perfectly.
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  So these batteries from Boeing, too bad.
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  I think they're two batteries. They're they've been working on
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  this for a while. But the Boeing capsule, the
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  Orion capsule, these batteries, they need to be replaced, could
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  take months. NASA senior officials have been
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  bowling plans to move the inaugural Artemis astronaut
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  landing to the 4th mission too. So Artemis 3 was going to be
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  when people board the Starship for the first time, and then
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  Artemis 4, now they may do another dummy mission with a
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  test of all the systems without people in it.
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  So I think that's what's going to happen today.
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  So this is my prediction is that they're going to push back
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  Artemis 2 either months or a year to make sure that all the
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  systems work properly. Artemis 3 will be a full dummy
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  mission, maybe people on board, more than likely people on board
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  the Orion capsule, but the Starship will do a dummy landing
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  on the moon surface without people on it just to make sure
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  it works, and then put people in the Artemis 4 mission because
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  they have to test the Starship. And of course that is one of the
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  milestones that Starship and SpaceX has to have hit is that
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  they have to do a test mission for the Starship to land on the
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  moon in order for them to continue getting contracts for
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  the HLS mission. So they already got the money,
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  but they do have to hit these milestones in order for them to
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  do this. Yeah.
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  So it's going to be, it's going to be a tough one.
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  It's going to be a tough one here.
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  Do they, do they use Duracell or Buddy batteries?
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  Metal rules. I'm not sure what kind of
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  batteries they have in there, but I'm pretty sure it's not
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  Duracell or Energizer Bunny batteries.
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  So the Artemis program works with a bunch of companies to
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  make sure that everything goes well when they're in space.
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  Boeing, Northrop Grumman, SpaceX, Blue Origin as well,
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  ULA. They're working with some of ULA
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  launch systems for some of their machines too.
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  So all of the things that need to go right, need to absolutely
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  go right one link at a time. LLC says what batteries they had
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  for the Moon River or sorry, when do you think the next
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  Starship liftoff will be? I was hoping for middle of
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  January, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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  I think it's going to be early February at the earliest.
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  At the earliest it's probably going to be mid February, maybe
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  late because the stuff they're doing down there with just
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  disassembling a lot of the water towers and things down there, it
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  just it's going to take a little while.
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  Plus we never, we don't know what's happening with the
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  booster at this point. They they've already done tests
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  on the booster and on the ship, but they took the booster back
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  to the high Bay. So they're working on that now,
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  but we don't know what they're doing.
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  We don't know what they found with their data and we don't
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  know how the engines worked or anything like that.
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  So I'm guessing middle February, maybe March it like that's
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  probably no earlier than February, mid February.
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  Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin also making a Lander.
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  Could they swap out the Starship for the Blue Origin Lander if
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  Blue Origin shows that they can do this?
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  SpaceX. If SpaceX just completely fails,
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  if the Starship just doesn't work and then Boeing and oh
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  sorry, Blue Origin sends their Lander to the moon.
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  It's like a ha ha I gotcha and they send their Lander to the
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  moon. SpaceX already got the contract
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  but if it's going to save people's lives cause Starship
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  just doesn't work, NASA will take on because Blue or
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  generator has a contract with NASA for specific missions.
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  But if SpaceX would postpone those first couple Artemis
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  mission, first couple Artemis landing missions then they I
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  don't know what they could do if there's like an some sort of a
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  agreement with them. I'm not sure what it is.
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  I not off the top of my head I'd have to look into it a little
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  bit one link at a time. LLC says smash the like button
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  everyone yeah could you please just do just hit the like
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  button. Let's try to get up to 50 likes
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  real quick. What batteries they had in the
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  Moon River in 1970. Oh, that's up.
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  Those were all custom built batteries at that point.
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  Those are all custom built for the moon.
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  So they don't have like a, they don't have a brand name, they're
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  not Energizer Bunny batteries or anything.
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  NASA will be starting momentarily, so I'm going to set
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  that up so we can have that. But yeah, please let me know and
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  chat if you have any. If you have any questions or
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  concerns or anything like that about this mission.
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  I wanna know what you think about this mission.
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  You think it's actually going to be worthwhile to do this
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  mission? Let's see here.
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  I got to get all this stuff set up.
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  I have been. There we go.
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  I've. Been setting this up for a
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  little bit, the they just announced this teleconference a
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  little bit ago. Yeah, we're getting this ready,
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  but they have about two minutes before NASA goes live.
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  So we'll watch it and we'll listen in.
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  Blue Origin can't make a rocket, but can make a moon Lander.
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  We're not sure if they can make either yet.
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  They've been working on the Lander for a while.
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  It's been. Recorded.
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  If you have any objection, they may disconnect at this time.
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  The call will begin momentarily. This is the NASA call.
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  So I'm I'm. We're tuning into that in the
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  background, but I'll be here reacting as well.
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  And they have some cool wait time music right now.
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  Wish you guys could hear it but it's probably copyright so I
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  can't play it. You probably heard like the
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  first two things. It's like you dance like this to
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  it like an old guy. This is a serious topic but we
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  like to have fun here on the channel, so don't take yourself
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  too seriously, is what I'm saying.
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  Enjoy yourself. Space Flight isn't something to
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  get worked up about. We're not going to get angry.
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  I love Angry astronaut, by the way.
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  I love angry. I freaking love that guy.
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  He's so funny. I he's one of my buddies too.
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  So I love anybody in chat. Just shout out to angry
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  Astronaut too. Fun guy, good guy.
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  Just like a nice dude. Yeah, stay angry.
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  He's so awesome. He's like a pro wrestling guy,
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  right? Like his persona is like a pro
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  wrestling guy, but he's like a sweetheart in real life.
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  Like a sweet guy. Did he ever move?
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  He's working on it. He's working on it.
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  Yeah, Angry astronaut's the best stay.
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  I do. I do a really bad impersonation
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  of Angry Astronaut. But yeah, it's pretty fun.
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  Yeah, I love the guy. Stay angry about space.
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  Yeah, he has that grumbly, like pro wrestler thing going on.
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  He's always mad at Boeing. I love it.
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  Check about. Check out his YouTube channel.
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  He's the best. I'm like, laughing.
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  Sorry, 'cause I'm thinking about it.
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  It's amazing. That had to Wow.
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  Are we launching today, David? No, we're not.
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  We're listening in on a media teleconference about NASA
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  pushing back the Orion flights or the Artemis flight.
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  Sorry, with the Orion capsule. And I'm listening.
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  Another suite. Oh yeah, this is.
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  It's good music. I wish I could hear you guys or
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  wish I could let you guys hear this, but it's like some of
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  these funk disco stuff. Rock almost.
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  Yeah. So Mars is a waste of resources.
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  Metal rules. Wait, do you think that or were
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  you trying to be? Were you trying to quote The
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  Angry Astronaut? Angry's the best.
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  Let's face it, Boeing has been a joke when it comes to space and
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  that capsule. I don't.
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  I wouldn't say they're a joke. I would say it's very difficult.
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  And I'm gonna be devil's advocate for them right now.
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  Because everything is super hard when you do space stuff because
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  you're sending people off the planet.
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  Absolutely, incredibly hard. And these think it's the most
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  difficult engineering feats you could do.
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  So any delays, anything like that, like it's a weird thing to
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  have a new capsule, but there's millions of parts in that thing
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  and if anything goes wrong, I think somebody in chat said if
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  one if one thing can go right, but a million things could go
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  wrong. Yesterday in the chat.
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  So I can't remember who said that, but they were completely
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  right. And like a million things could
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  go wrong in that capsule. And Boeing, as much as we like
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  to see the downfall of companies, and we all click on
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  those videos on YouTube too, don't tell me you don't like the
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  downfall of whatever it is, whatever you're interested in,
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  the downfall of Tony Hawk or the downfall of whatever, it's like,
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  all right, that's tempting. You might click on it every once
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  in a while and there's always that exaggerated history of
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  those things. But Boeing is having a having a
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  moment right now, unfortunately. So a lot of things are going
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  wrong at Boeing. I really hope they do the best
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  things that they can, you know, and make sure that this capsule
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  works properly and these people get there safely.
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  You think every ounce of resources removed from Earth and
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  put on Mars is a waste? Oh, here we go.
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  Inform all participants that your lines have been placed on a
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  listen only mode until the question and answer session of.
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  Today's call the NASA. This call is being recorded.
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  If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time.
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  I would now like to turn the call over to Faith Mackie.
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  Thank you. You may begin.
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  Good. Afternoon, everyone, and thanks
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  so much for joining us. I'm Faith Mackie with NASA
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  Office of Communications, and we'd like to thank you for
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  joining this call to provide an update on the future of NASA
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  Artemis mission. In addition to NASA
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  Administrator Bill Nelson, NASA participants today will include
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  NASA Associate Administrator Jim Free, Kathy Kerner, our
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  Associate Administrator for the Exploration System Development
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  Mission Directorate at NASA, and Amit Shatriya, our Deputy
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  Associate Administrator for the Moving to Mars Program in NASA's
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  Exploration Systems Development and Mission Director.
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  After brief opening comments from each of our speakers, we
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  will gladly take your questions. The question and answer portion
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  of today's call will include representatives from our
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  industry partners and the European States Agency.
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  The full list of our partners on the line is available on our
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  NASA artemis.blog@blogs.nasa.gov/artemis.
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  You can enter STAR One on your phone to be entered in the
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  question queue at any time and the operator will open your mic
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  when we're ready for your question, then close it
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  afterward. We ask that you please stick to
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  one question and identify to whom your question is directed
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  as we won't have time to give each end of the partner time to
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  provide a specific update. We also ask that you focus your
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  question specifically to today's updates surrounding our future
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  Artemis missions. Shortly after we conclude, you
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  can listen to a replay of this teleconference online.
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  And now, I'll open the floor to Administrator Bill Nelson.
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  Hey, everybody. It was a little over a year ago
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  that all of us want Artemis one and then Test one and it was so
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  successful that additional were added in the court.
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  It went further than in a human rated spacecraft and it has that
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  iconic picture that we've all seen where it's taking a selfie
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  photograph of itself. And in the background, 40,000
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  miles away is the mean and further in the background, 270
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  miles away is our planet. Many of the complex mission will
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  return after not people. And eventually tomorrow all came
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  out of what was this test flight And so we named the Artemis
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  Cheetah Green and they are busy training for their mission
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  around the moon that will test the Orion system to support
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  human life in deep space. And again, we go back to the
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  moon in a different way. We go back to the moon this time
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  to a different part of the moon. We also go back to the moon with
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  martial partner and international partner.
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  And by the way, we are down here, Houston, and visited with
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  the tree several times. Yesterday they were telling me
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  they were invited to the Oval Office, were given 15 minutes to
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  visit with the president, and ended up visiting with him for
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  an hour and a half. And I think it's illustrative of
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  what's happening. I saw, for example, as we took
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  the tree last night to the national Championship day and
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  during one of the timeouts they were introduced.
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  The place went nut. Everybody is really excited.
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  We're in a golden era of exploration, and this time we're
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  talking. About the football games to.
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  The meeting in order to be able to work to live to create and to
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  in order eventually we can go to more and the science is going to
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  help us unlock the secret and the formation of our solar
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  system including the secrets of our own planet.
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  We're going to you're in the process back to the moon.
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  We're going to develop new technologies.
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  We're going to develop new propulsion to go to more.
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  So how we go is just as important as what we do.
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  And so this is to put it in the president's term, this is a big
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  deal. We've announced a new partner,
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  Phil, with the UE for Gateway and that's a huge moment for the
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  future of faith exploit. And please, please, Artemis
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  Mission, you're showing the strength of the commercial
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  partners and American Innovation, you're doing
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  something and they're really different in the process of all
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  day as we would find everybody every chair safety is our
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  priority. And to give Artemis be more time
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  to work new the challenges with first time development operation
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  and integration, we're going to give more time on Artemis 2 and
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  three. So what I want to tell you is
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  you're adjusting our schedule to target Artemis 2 for September
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  of 2025 and September of 2026 for Artemis 3, which can send
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  humans for the first time to the lunar South Pole.
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  Artemis Flee remains on track for September 2020, and those
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  challenges are clearly our teams are making incredible progress,
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  and you're going to hear about that shortly.
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  Jim Flee has done an extraordinary job leading NASA
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  to explorate Systems Development Syndrome over the past 2 1/2
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  years and standing up the Moon Mars program.
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  Jim AS is our Associate Director, Associate
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  Administrator have replaced about Cabana who had promised us
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  a year before he retired and we got almost three and out of Bob
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  and he is in his retirement ceremony this weekend.
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  And so Jim is going to hand the reins over to Kathy Kerner and
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  Steve and Program Manager Ahmed. They continue to make good
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  progress. Think back to over 60 years ago
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  when President Kennedy, it's about 20 miles from where we are
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  to Rice Stadium and he made that famous speech.
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  We need to go to the north and do other things, not because
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  it's easy, but because it's poor.
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  And Artemis represents what we can accomplish as a country, as
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  a global coalition, and what we can accomplish when we set our
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  stride and what is hard and what has never been done before.
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  Jim, over to you. Thank you very much, Sir.
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  These early Artemis missions are what we refer to in our Moon to
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  Mars architecture as our human lunar return segment.
• 24:20
  We're demonstrating the foundational systems, things
• 24:22
  like Orion and SLS that we need to support the human missions on
• 24:28
  the surface and a lunar orbit. And as the administrator
• 24:31
  referenced, these programs reflect our different approach
• 24:35
  we are taking to extend human presence to the Moon and Mars
• 24:40
  than what we did previously in Apollo.
• 24:43
  The Moon may not be different, but our knowledge of the Moon
• 24:45
  and advancements in technology industry capabilities have
• 24:49
  changed our approach to exploration, which you can see
• 24:52
  reflected in all of these programs.
• 24:54
  I'm going to let Ahmed talk more about the progress and
• 24:58
  challenges with the schedule leading up to Artemis 2 and
• 25:01
  three, but I want to emphasize that safety is our number one
• 25:05
  priority. You've heard it from the
• 25:06
  administrator today. You've heard it multiple times.
• 25:10
  And as we prepare to send our friends and colleagues on this
• 25:13
  mission, we're committed to launching safely as possible and
• 25:18
  we will launch when we're ready. We learned a great deal during
• 25:22
  Artemis One and continue to learn the day through the
• 25:26
  production of. Artemis 234 and all the hardware
• 25:30
  we have in Flow and we plan to put those lessons.
• 25:34
  Back into our future mission, and that's what flight tests are
• 25:38
  all about, as you heard leading up to Artemis One, as we'll talk
• 25:42
  about for Artemis 2 and Future MIT.
• 25:44
  Because these are flight tests, developing, testing and learning
• 25:49
  and improving our knowledges, what we're doing and ensuring
• 25:53
  that when we do fly, it'd be successful.
• 25:57
  Damaging the moon to March program office that Amit leads
• 26:01
  has enabled us to improve our integrated approach across all
• 26:05
  the programs and a great deal of credit goes to Amit and his team
• 26:08
  for that work. You heard the administrator talk
• 26:12
  about our crew. They are incredible, and they've
• 26:14
  been busy learning about the systems and subsystems they'll
• 26:18
  be flying. And they and other astronauts
• 26:21
  across the crew office can continue to monitor the design,
• 26:26
  production and assembly of all the hardware, giving invaluable
• 26:29
  input from the operator perspective.
• 26:33
  That Artemis 2 crew will be the first people to set human eyes
• 26:37
  on the far side of the moon in more than a century, and I can't
• 26:40
  imagine all the pictures and recordings that they'll bring
• 26:43
  back to capture those moments, but also inform our
• 26:46
  understanding of the moon. The crew is a constant reminder
• 26:51
  for us of how important it is to remain focused on the work we
• 26:55
  need to do to ensure their safe return.
• 26:58
  This is a. Team effort, an international
• 27:00
  effort that involves our government, our international
• 27:04
  partners, our industrial partners collaborating to
• 27:07
  achieve new milestones and human lunar exploration, things that
• 27:11
  have never been accomplished before and that require us all
• 27:15
  working together. That's why we have our partners
• 27:19
  on the line with us today. We are facing challenges both
• 27:24
  technical and just dealing with going back to the moon, but the
• 27:29
  Artemis team is solving that. And let me remind you that what
• 27:33
  we're talking about for these early Artemis missions includes
• 27:37
  the initial human landing system capability, the crude
• 27:41
  demonstration of the Starship human Lander, the initial
• 27:44
  gateway capability, which includes the integrated power
• 27:47
  and propulsion element along with our habitation and
• 27:50
  logistics output post that we call Halo.
• 27:54
  And the more powerful Block 1B configuration for SL, the SLS
• 27:58
  that can launch true to the moon in Orion along with cargo in a
• 28:02
  single. Lawn.
• 28:04
  And for Artemis 3, we must be realistic there as well.
• 28:08
  We're looking at our the need for propellant transfer, the
• 28:12
  need for numerous landings. We're looking at our space suits
• 28:17
  that we're acquiring in a different manner that we've done
• 28:20
  before and developing the new space suits.
• 28:23
  Soon we'll add and pressurize Rover from a servant perspective
• 28:27
  too. All of those.
• 28:29
  Alone are incredibly large challenge and a really big deal.
• 28:34
  And I know that Kathy Ahmed, our program managers, will continue
• 28:38
  to do everything in their power to work closely with our
• 28:41
  partners, keep all of these on track.
• 28:45
  So we need all parts of our team focused on performing as
• 28:49
  efficiently as possible into the highest standards.
• 28:52
  And as I and others have said and will continue to say launch
• 28:57
  when we're ready. Let me turn it over to Ahmed to
• 28:59
  share. Some more of the challenges.
• 29:01
  That we faced and how we're tracking those down.
• 29:03
  OK. Thank you, Jim.
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  Thank you, Senator, and thanks to both of you for your
• 29:06
  leadership. I have a lot to go through, so
• 29:08
  I'm going to try. First thing I want to say is a
• 29:13
  huge thanks to all of the our stakeholders and all of our
• 29:17
  industry partners, international partners that have contributed
• 29:20
  to the formulation of the Moon to arts program office.
• 29:23
  The integration efforts that have been put in place by all of
• 29:26
  them have been tremendous. We really are one team and I
• 29:29
  think you'll see that in the responses.
• 29:30
  And also as we go forward, we're one team solving these problems
• 29:34
  together. We have a really complex flight
• 29:36
  test campaign that makes up these early mission.
• 29:38
  As Jim and Senator, we clearly, and it's worth to me to say over
• 29:43
  and over again, our number one priority is safety.
• 29:46
  Our number two priority is to make sure we're making
• 29:48
  comprehensive methodical progress towards our objective.
• 29:51
  And our #3 priority is to learn from the data we get from our
• 29:54
  flight test. And I think you'll see that as
• 29:57
  we're going through we're, we are making that learning
• 30:00
  impacted the way we So for Artemis 2, So again, the
• 30:07
  primary, there's a lot there, new capability that's being on
• 30:10
  ramp for the mission. We have new facilities at KFC to
• 30:15
  enable rapid turn around for propeller loading.
• 30:18
  Also for the loading of the crew, for the egress of the
• 30:20
  crew. For the launch vehicle we have a
• 30:23
  new abort system that will be activated in an integrated way
• 30:27
  across the stack. And of course for the spacecraft
• 30:30
  we have a new life support system and its ability to
• 30:32
  respond to those aborts and those are all added there of
• 30:35
  course to support the crew and important to support crew
• 30:38
  safety, we haven't covered we have.
• 30:40
  We have two major sources of learning that are warming the
• 30:44
  way we're developing the Artemis 2 mission.
• 30:46
  The first of course is from the tremendous amount of data, the
• 30:48
  engineering data we got from the Artemis one test play and the
• 30:52
  2nd is from the production. Both the components and the
• 30:55
  assembly level of production that's coming in for the
• 30:58
  subsequent missions for Artemis 2 and three and beyond.
• 31:01
  We have hardware inflow coming in for all of those missions.
• 31:04
  We're not doing these serially. We're doing a concurrent
• 31:07
  development for a lot of this work And so from the test flight
• 31:10
  in particular we had two, I would say one major finding that
• 31:14
  we need a little bit more time to work and that is the
• 31:16
  performance of the thermal protection system on the
• 31:19
  spacecraft. On the each field we have an.
• 31:21
  So the each field itself, the Orion, the performance
• 31:25
  specification that we levied on that on the vehicle and on that
• 31:29
  system was met with met with extreme precision.
• 31:33
  We had a large factor of safety that the bottom line of the
• 31:37
  spacecraft and our the entry guidance performed almost
• 31:40
  perfectly. We're able to put the vehicle
• 31:42
  right on top of our partners in the Navy were able to recover
• 31:45
  the vehicle very crisply. But what we did see in the
• 31:48
  performance of the heat shield itself was some unexpected
• 31:51
  phenomena that we need to make sure we understand perfectly.
• 31:54
  The lessons of our history is that even though we believe we
• 31:58
  understand and that our hardware is performing according to
• 32:00
  requirements we have to be absolutely certain that we
• 32:04
  understand the integrated performance of that system when
• 32:06
  there are excursion from that performance.
• 32:09
  What we saw on the heat shield was again like I said very good
• 32:13
  performance from a thermal protection standpoint.
• 32:15
  We did see the off the off nominal recession of some char
• 32:20
  that came off the heat shield which we were not expecting.
• 32:22
  Now this heat shield is an ablated material.
• 32:25
  It is supposed to char, but what it's not what we were not
• 32:27
  expecting for some pieces of that charge to be liberated from
• 32:31
  the vehicle And so we need to make sure we to understand the
• 32:34
  transport and debris transport phenomena that caused that.
• 32:37
  We have spent the bulk of 2023 investigating that in facilities
• 32:42
  across the agency as well as with help from the the root
• 32:47
  cause of that issue And it's going very from our partners as
• 32:51
  well as our partners across the government.
• 32:53
  We have taken on a methodical detail campaign to understand
• 32:56
  this issue, extensive core sampling, testing and data
• 33:00
  review and that is all of that review is again as I said going
• 33:04
  quite well. We have to synthesize that data
• 33:07
  and update the overall thermal, mechanical and material model of
• 33:11
  that heat shield to make sure that before we attempt re entry
• 33:15
  from a circular return mission like we'll have from Artemis 2
• 33:19
  that we're 100% confident that we understand the performance of
• 33:22
  that heat shield under those conditions.
• 33:24
  We've been able to replicate the physics and we expected to
• 33:27
  definitively identify the root cause of this recession of the
• 33:32
  charm material, hopefully here in the spring.
• 33:35
  So they mentioned that that was a large sort of learning from
• 33:38
  Artemis one. We've also learned quite a bit
• 33:40
  from the acceptance of hardware coming into the flow from
• 33:43
  subsequent mission. We're planning for one of one of
• 33:46
  the major one has to do with the life support system.
• 33:50
  During the acceptance of some components for Artemis 3, we
• 33:54
  noticed the failure in some motor valve circuitry that's
• 33:57
  driving valves on the spacecraft itself.
• 33:59
  This is a common needed. It's a kind of circuit that
• 34:03
  after investigation did this. These components passed
• 34:07
  acceptance testing for Artemis 2, but did not pass them for
• 34:10
  Artemis 3. And so that gave us pause to
• 34:12
  stop and look at that circuit in a more detailed way.
• 34:15
  When we examined it, we recognized that there was a
• 34:17
  design flaw in that circuit, those those valve electronics,
• 34:21
  many parts of the life support system on the spacecraft, in
• 34:25
  particular our ability, in particular the CO2 scrubbing.
• 34:29
  And so once, once we recognize that the design flaw and once we
• 34:34
  looked at rationale for potentially using the system as
• 34:37
  it is became very clear to us, it was unacceptable to accept
• 34:40
  that hardware and we have to replace it in order to guarantee
• 34:43
  the safety of the crew. The way to replace that hardware
• 34:46
  given the current configuration with its base craft we're going
• 34:49
  to have to it is the access to the components.
• 34:53
  The access to those bays is going to take us quite a bit of
• 34:56
  quite a bit of time to get to every connector that we touch.
• 35:00
  As part of that part of that replacement operation will have
• 35:03
  to be tested after we're done and we'll have to put the
• 35:06
  vehicle through pull up functional testing afterwards.
• 35:09
  And we're committed to doing that.
• 35:10
  We know how to fix it, we just need to make sure we take the
• 35:13
  time to do it according to the workmanship standard that we
• 35:15
  expect for a human rated second major finding.
• 35:20
  We have, as I mentioned before, we have for the first time on
• 35:24
  this spacecraft we're applying an integrated abort capability.
• 35:27
  The SLS is a extremely powerful machine and the Orion is ready
• 35:31
  to fly in deep space. And when you design A capability
• 35:35
  to separate from the space current from the launch vehicle
• 35:40
  in the event of a loss of control, that environment during
• 35:43
  separation is quite severe. We've qualified the entire Orion
• 35:46
  to survive during those environments.
• 35:49
  We have, however, it's part of the qualification campaign found
• 35:52
  a few cases where we believe there could be some the
• 35:56
  efficiencies and the performance of the electrical system, in
• 35:59
  particular some of the batteries that we need to make sure we
• 36:01
  understand how they're enduring those environments.
• 36:04
  So we're still very early in that investigation.
• 36:06
  We've not yet developed a forward path.
• 36:08
  We have multiple parallel options to fix this issue.
• 36:12
  We also have a lot of options to determine whether or not we
• 36:14
  believe those environments are accurate.
• 36:16
  And so we have a lot of testing to do in front of us, but we
• 36:19
  wanted to make sure we give ourselves the time to do that.
• 36:22
  And as we mentioned before continuing our note safety
• 36:28
  subject. So those are the major drivers
• 36:32
  as I said for the Artemis 2 delay with all every single one
• 36:35
  of them has to do is either a derivative, A capability that
• 36:39
  was added for safety or a mandatory fix to make sure that
• 36:42
  the vehicle's as safe as possible for our crew.
• 36:46
  So what I will say though is we are making tremendous progress.
• 36:48
  The Jim and the administrator when he mentioned the crew is
• 36:50
  deep into training every component of the mission that
• 36:54
  needs to be at Kennedy with the exception of the core stage
• 36:57
  which is that Methued is already at the the core stage is
• 37:01
  actually at a point of maturity that was much further along than
• 37:04
  what we shifted for Artemis. One, we are going to hold it
• 37:06
  there. The tended to submit to be ready
• 37:10
  for this mission, but there's a lot of work that we can do it
• 37:13
  Masood that's a little bit easier to do there than in the
• 37:16
  Transparado Kennedy, but we have the booster segments ready to
• 37:19
  check the upper stage right and we're finishing the validation
• 37:22
  of the mobile launcher and the rest of the capability.
• 37:25
  So I'm going to move on the other one.
• 37:27
  The last thing I'll say about Artemis 2 is that it even though
• 37:30
  it's we're we're really, we want to fly and we want to apply as
• 37:33
  safely as we can with the delay. We're going to take advantage of
• 37:36
  some additional capability and incorporation of lessons learned
• 37:39
  from Artemis one, including the ability to potentially access
• 37:42
  the vehicle at the pad during during the launch campaign and
• 37:46
  during potential weather event. So I'll move on to Artemis 3.
• 37:50
  For items three, we're adding several capabilities, of course,
• 37:53
  that's been mentioned by Jim. We're adding a human landing
• 37:55
  system with a very complex propellant transfer scheme and
• 37:59
  Earth departure scheme. We're also adding advanced space
• 38:02
  suits. Each one of these space suits is
• 38:04
  an individual spacecraft of the crew and we're adding a docking
• 38:08
  system to Orion and new choreography amongst our launch
• 38:11
  teams for a dual launch campaign required to make sure that both
• 38:14
  Orion and the Lander can get to the same point in space had to
• 38:18
  proceed with the litter landing. So coordination and the
• 38:21
  choreography of those ground assets as well as in space and
• 38:24
  other communication asset is a significant coordination
• 38:27
  challenge. And we're doing everything or we
• 38:29
  can to add and to add capability to make sure that's accessible.
• 38:33
  There's extensive integration going on across the system.
• 38:36
  One of not not. One of these elements, we have
• 38:39
  all the transportation elements we've been developing, but but
• 38:42
  with the suits and with the Landers, that's a huge one.
• 38:45
  Conglomeration of different development activities that have
• 38:47
  to meet together and not any single one of them is more
• 38:50
  important than the other. We need them all to be ready and
• 38:53
  all to be successful in order for that very complicated
• 38:55
  mission to to come together. So the new schedule for Artemis
• 38:59
  3 aligns with the updated schedule for Artemis 2.
• 39:01
  It ensures that we can incorporate lessons learned from
• 39:04
  Artemis 2 into the next into that mission and also
• 39:07
  acknowledges the very real development challenges that have
• 39:10
  been experienced by our industry partners.
• 39:12
  So as I mentioned at the beginning, we have an integrated
• 39:14
  flight test approach to this capability.
• 39:16
  So as we add each new mission increases complexity, we have to
• 39:19
  add tests for new systems. This new schedule will give us
• 39:22
  the opportunity for our partners to have that additional time and
• 39:26
  make their refinements to make sure we're as acceptable as
• 39:28
  possible. CC the fall of twenty 26th of
• 39:32
  September 2020, sixth time frame.
• 39:34
  We is still very aggressive and we all but we all need to pay
• 39:38
  for work with the same degree of urgency and I think it's very
• 39:41
  important that and our industry partners are 100% committed to
• 39:44
  this approach. In fact not only are they
• 39:46
  committed but they would. It also is worth pointing out
• 39:49
  that some of the issues we found with with the Artemis 2
• 39:52
  components on the Orion would not have been found.
• 39:54
  Have we not pushed our partners to deliver the hard work for
• 39:58
  Artemis 3 and four as we proceeded towards flight.
• 40:00
  And so all of that production is teaching us as we go.
• 40:04
  So in but for Artemis 3, even though that fall of 2026 time
• 40:08
  frame is aggressive. We are European partners.
• 40:10
  They're going to ship their service module in three months.
• 40:13
  We have the upper stage for the SLS already delivered the RS25
• 40:17
  segments. The RS25 engines have already
• 40:19
  been delivered. We have the booster segments
• 40:21
  already ready to go. And so we have all of this work
• 40:24
  coming together. In addition, the tremendous
• 40:26
  amount of tests that's going on in Bokachika with Spacek and
• 40:30
  with here in Houston with Axiom. I'll move on quickly to talk
• 40:35
  about RMS four and five perform. We have several new
• 40:37
  developments. As Jim mentioned it'll be our
• 40:40
  first new mission to Gateway. We know we have to launch the
• 40:42
  integrated power and propulsion element and the Halo.
• 40:45
  This is the core of Gateway. It will take about 12 months for
• 40:49
  that PPE Halo Jack to to on a long spiral trajectory head out
• 40:54
  to the NRHO orbit where we will meet him with the crude flight
• 40:58
  as planned in September 2028. We we we had previously planned
• 41:02
  to launch the PPE in Halo in October of 2025.
• 41:05
  We're now working with our industry partners at Max R
• 41:07
  Northrop Grumman to review the schedule for when it makes sense
• 41:10
  to launch STEP before Artemis 4. We believe they have a great
• 41:13
  path to get us there to support that mission but we are we will
• 41:16
  be updating that schedule here as well.
• 41:19
  So we again we're doing what we can to make sure our parties
• 41:21
  have the time to do the development correctly and
• 41:24
  safely. Jim also mentioned that Artemis
• 41:26
  4 will incorporate configuration of the Block 1B well how the SLS
• 41:30
  would be event with the exploration upper stage carrying
• 41:33
  the first gateway module as a Co manifested pill of the credible
• 41:36
  I have from East. And Artemis 4 will also be the
• 41:40
  first mission to host logistics delivery and we have given
• 41:43
  authority proceed from our partners at SpaceX to develop a
• 41:46
  logistics capability to deliver cargo to the Gateway space
• 41:49
  station. I'll finally wrap up with
• 41:54
  Artemis 5, which to me is the end of our ideally what I
• 41:57
  consider our responsibility as a test program.
• 42:00
  We are bringing on a brand new landing system provider.
• 42:03
  Blue Origin has been a tremendous early partner with
• 42:05
  us. We intend to announce a provider
• 42:07
  for Lunar Terrain Vehicle services in the coming months.
• 42:10
  We'll have new gateway components as a logistics
• 42:12
  delivery. The administrator pointed out
• 42:14
  the exciting news of having that of our new partners in the
• 42:17
  United Arab Emirates that are going to provide an airlock for
• 42:20
  the core components of Gateway, which after that Artemis 5 and
• 42:23
  six time frame will complete the core of the Gateway space
• 42:27
  station. And also finally in the last few
• 42:29
  months we've been asked, we've asked both of our team and
• 42:31
  landing system providers Basics and Blue Origin to begin
• 42:34
  applying the work they're doing on the human rated versions of
• 42:37
  the landing vehicles to develop a cargo variant that can
• 42:40
  landlords cargo on the surface which is a tremendous change and
• 42:44
  in the way we've done lunar exploration in the back.
• 42:47
  As you can see we have a lot of hardware and flow.
• 42:49
  I'll save more time for questions here as we go because
• 42:51
  I've covered a lot of ground here.
• 42:53
  But with the long term exploration campaign and what
• 42:56
  that means is that we have, we're working on all these
• 42:58
  missions essentially simultaneous and we need
• 43:01
  flexibility in our manifest, we need resilience in our manifest
• 43:04
  and that is the commitment we have from all of our NASA
• 43:06
  programs and all of our industry partners we have.
• 43:09
  It is essential that we make progress on every element of the
• 43:12
  campaign in order to deliver on the success of these gold.
• 43:15
  It's also essential that we're prudent in the way we're
• 43:18
  planning for when these if these developments maybe have more
• 43:21
  issues so that we're ready to respond in a flexible way to
• 43:25
  make methodical progress towards our goals.
• 43:26
  So, but I think that's enough for me at this point.
• 43:29
  I would like to hand over to my new Buff, Kathy Guerner to talk
• 43:32
  to to Phillips up here. Thank you, Almet, Jim and
• 43:35
  Senator. I want to start by thanking Jim
• 43:38
  Free for his dedication and effort and standing up the
• 43:40
  Exploration Systems Mission Directorate and the Moon and
• 43:43
  Mars Program Office. I'm honored to step into this
• 43:45
  new room and lead our exploration team.
• 43:49
  Cruise safety is and will remain our number one priority.
• 43:52
  I want to thank Amit Moon to Mars team for the detailed work
• 43:55
  that they're doing on each of these issues and managing the
• 43:58
  integrated risks and schedule across the six Artemis program.
• 44:02
  As Amit noted, Artemis is a long term exploration campaign using
• 44:06
  astronauts to conduct science at the moon and prepared for human
• 44:10
  mission to Mars. It's important that we develop
• 44:13
  and fly our foundational system that we can safely carry out the
• 44:16
  Admission the Moon to Mars. Program teams work to identify
• 44:20
  the flight tests objectives that we must demonstrate on that
• 44:22
  early Artemis mission. Hide directly to the agency's
• 44:26
  Moon to Mars objectives and exploration.
• 44:27
  Approved. It is the next level of detail
• 44:30
  in implementing our Moon to Mars architecture and will provide
• 44:33
  strategic guidance for tough decisions.
• 44:36
  Our resilient mission manifest is essential for something as
• 44:39
  complex as developing the systems and technologies for
• 44:42
  long term exploration of the Moon in a manner that
• 44:45
  prioritizes scientific discovery and benefits for humanity.
• 44:49
  While Ahmed and his team work on the implementation approach, our
• 44:52
  broader architecture development work also continued this.
• 44:55
  Last November, we completed our second architecture concept
• 44:58
  review where we sat down with the stakeholders across NASA to
• 45:02
  review our Moon to Mars exploration plan.
• 45:05
  This most recent review focused on identifying the foundational
• 45:08
  decision needed for accrued mission to Mars and adding more
• 45:12
  detail to how we break down our objectives into architectural
• 45:15
  elements for long term later exploration.
• 45:18
  In the coming weeks, we will publish updated materials from
• 45:21
  the last Architecture Concept Review, which includes updates
• 45:25
  to the Agency's Architecture Definition document and white
• 45:28
  papers highlighting critical results from the most recent
• 45:30
  strategic analysis cycle. The Architecture Definition
• 45:34
  document presents the current state of NASA's human Space
• 45:37
  Flight architecture and exploration strategy and breaks
• 45:40
  down the Moon to Mars objectives into functions and use cases
• 45:43
  that can be implemented through architectural elements.
• 45:46
  It includes current partnerships, identifies gaps
• 45:49
  and presents opportunities for future collaboration.
• 45:52
  As our administrator mentioned earlier, this past Sunday we
• 45:55
  announced a new partnership with the United Arab Emirates on the
• 45:58
  airlock for Gateway. I look forward to the future
• 46:01
  partners that will one day join us and I'm.
• 46:03
  Very grateful for our. Existing partners, European
• 46:06
  Space Agency, The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency and
• 46:10
  the Canadian Space Agency. I'm also grateful for our
• 46:13
  industry partners that have agreed to be on the call today.
• 46:17
  Whether we're partnering with other space agencies or
• 46:19
  contracting with industry and academia, we have shared
• 46:23
  exploration goes things and shared responsibilities.
• 46:27
  The ambitions of long term exploration of the Moon and Mars
• 46:30
  are bigger than any one country space agency or company.
• 46:34
  So when we go together for the benefit of all humanity, Artemis
• 46:38
  is different from anything humanity has embarked on.
• 46:41
  Before. We will discover ground breaking
• 46:43
  science and technology as we learn to live and work and
• 46:46
  explore in a collaborative and sustained manner.
• 46:49
  I look forward to working with Amit and the team, including our
• 46:52
  academic and industry and international partners as we
• 46:55
  collectively strive to uphold our commitments and prioritize
• 46:58
  safety and exploration. Ultimately, what we build, test,
• 47:03
  and discover at the moon will determine the human capacity to
• 47:07
  explore deed safe for longer periods of time.
• 47:09
  Setting NASA with our partners on a city path for our next
• 47:13
  giant leap. Sending the first FM tomorrow.
• 47:16
  I'd like to thank our NASA leader for their update.
• 47:22
  We will now begin the question and answer reports and up to
• 47:25
  date full. I want to please remind you to
• 47:27
  stick to one question and identify to whom your question
• 47:30
  is directed and if we have time we'll allow reporters to ask a
• 47:33
  second question again. You can enter Star One on your
• 47:37
  phone to be entered in the queue at any time and you can enter
• 47:40
  Star Two if you'd like to be removed from the queue.
• 47:43
  And one final reminder to focus your questions specifically to
• 47:46
  today's update surrounding future item mission.
• 47:49
  So I think we have in our queue. Our first question will come
• 47:53
  from Martha Don, whom he associated.
• 47:56
  Yes, hi. Probably for Mr. Free with the
• 47:59
  extra time. Now, are there any thoughts of
• 48:01
  sending the Artemis 2 crew into lunar orbit, Apollo 8 versus
• 48:06
  just to fly around? And what's the chance of still
• 48:09
  horning another myth And in between Artemis going free if
• 48:12
  the landing systems are not ready?
• 48:13
  Thank you. And no, the Artemis 2 mission
• 48:18
  profile is going to remain the same.
• 48:20
  We're we've set that in place for a variety of reasons.
• 48:23
  We want that 24 hour orbit around Earth to make sure we can
• 48:27
  check out the vehicle. We want that.
• 48:29
  Path to to the moon to be. Captured by gravity and come
• 48:32
  back. So we build resiliency into the
• 48:34
  system and have some redundancy there to bring the crew back
• 48:38
  safely. And no, no thoughts to changing
• 48:41
  Artemis even 3 as, as we've all said, we're going to learn from
• 48:46
  these missions. We're going to learn from what
• 48:48
  happens on Artemis 2. We're planning for Artemis 3 to
• 48:51
  be that landed mission, but as we say, we're going to take
• 48:54
  every bit of safety and we'll learn from our the hardware
• 48:59
  that's developed and as it's flown and decide that from there
• 49:02
  any changes for the overall part program.
• 49:05
  But as you heard today, Artemis 3 is still land admission in
• 49:08
  September 20th. Thank you.
• 49:12
  I will take the next question from Michael Maidenberg of the
• 49:15
  Wall Street Journal. Hi.
• 49:19
  Independent of the issues that you discussed about the Artemis
• 49:23
  2 delay, could you give that just again a couple of specific
• 49:26
  example examples about the new timeline Artemis 3?
• 49:30
  If you hadn't. Found the big.
• 49:32
  Drivers related to Artemis 2, Which would Artemis 3 still need
• 49:36
  to be pushed back and why? Thanks.
• 49:40
  Yeah, that's a great question. I think the answer is yes.
• 49:42
  We need more time on the landing system development and on the
• 49:46
  food development to do that. They're making tremendous
• 49:49
  progress in Boca Chica with with their Ted Polites, but it's
• 49:52
  extremely challenging some of the propeller transfer and other
• 49:57
  gold that they have in order to make that Earth departure
• 49:59
  sequence work for us. Yeah, I would say that even if
• 50:02
  we could fly Artemis 2 on the time frame that we we had
• 50:06
  planned originally, we would still need the extra time to fly
• 50:09
  Artemis 3 in September 26th. All right.
• 50:14
  Thank you. I'm going to move on to Gina
• 50:16
  from ABC News for our next question.
• 50:19
  I think this is for for John, but at what point in the mission
• 50:24
  did the heat field material separate?
• 50:26
  How much was it? I think we're going to have a
• 50:30
  Amit lead on that question and then we can have.
• 50:34
  Yeah, it's interesting. We the other new part about the
• 50:37
  way we did return on this vehicle was we did what we call
• 50:41
  a skip reentry and so the majority of the liberation of
• 50:45
  the material and when I talk about it makes it sound like
• 50:48
  there's big chunks coming off the vehicle that's not correct.
• 50:50
  It was some liberation of charm material that in general we were
• 50:54
  we were not expecting hardly any.
• 50:56
  We did get some and majority of that occurred after we pulled up
• 51:00
  from the first phase of that skip reentry.
• 51:02
  We're still piercing together that overall timeline of course,
• 51:05
  very tough based on the assets we had to identify each and
• 51:08
  everyone. But we did what we went by
• 51:12
  through every piece of video that we had from Orion and from
• 51:15
  their external effort to determine when they initiate the
• 51:17
  event for liberation began. And most of it was after we
• 51:21
  started climbing out of. All right.
• 51:29
  Thank you. Going to move on to Bill Harwood
• 51:32
  from CBS News. Yeah, thank you very much.
• 51:37
  Can someone address? How many?
• 51:40
  Refueling flights you guys think is going to be required to get
• 51:42
  HLS from Leo to the moon? Well, there's been everything
• 51:46
  said from people on the Hill from.
• 51:48
  Fights in the team. To just four.
• 51:50
  I don't really understand why. I realize it's variable you're
• 51:52
  in the process of planning. All the numbers may change, but
• 51:55
  can someone please ballpark this for us?
• 51:58
  Give us a better idea of just how challenging it is to to work
• 52:02
  all this out? Thanks.
• 52:04
  Yes, sure Bill. It's a great, it's a great
• 52:06
  question. I'd like Jessica Jensen for
• 52:08
  SpaceX to to take that. She's been involved heavily in
• 52:11
  the development. What I would say is just to
• 52:13
  start with that, that they have been, SpaceX has been extremely
• 52:17
  transparent with us. We've been sharing a lot of data
• 52:19
  with them about our own challenges in terms of cryogenic
• 52:22
  repealing. And so much of this is just
• 52:25
  going to have to come from flight test.
• 52:27
  And I think the probably the reason why you're here on
• 52:29
  different numbers is because we have a lot of different modeling
• 52:32
  and analysis iterations that are going on to do that.
• 52:35
  But the rubber's going to meet the road.
• 52:37
  Will we actually try and do this in orbit?
• 52:38
  But I'd like to. I'll hand over to Jessica to see
• 52:41
  if she's got anything else to add.
• 52:43
  Yeah, thanks for calling it. So first of all, see if that's
• 52:46
  super excited and really honored to be a part in the Artemis 3
• 52:50
  program working with at the Lockheed AXI and all the
• 52:53
  partners to return USA Return astronauts Afternoon.
• 52:58
  It's just truly incredible, and Prop 3 is going to be a big part
• 53:03
  of it. I think the only thing that I
• 53:05
  want to clarify is the pellet transfer and orbit.
• 53:08
  It sounds reflexing, scary, and it seems like this kind of big
• 53:11
  nebulous thing, but when you really break it down into the
• 53:14
  buried P fib, we've actually achieved almost all of the
• 53:18
  complex parts already on our operational program now, and
• 53:21
  it's just going to be piercing them together.
• 53:23
  For Starship, for example, we've docked, we've burst our dock
• 53:27
  Dragon, the International safety to more than 30 times.
• 53:31
  So everything we've learned, the sensors we use, the algorithms
• 53:34
  that we use for state, Randy View for pulling back all of
• 53:37
  that, we're going to leverage all of that and having two
• 53:40
  Starship stock together. Another big thing that I think
• 53:43
  can seem very intimidating is launching missions in close
• 53:46
  proximity to each other to be able to see rapid refueling.
• 53:51
  And on South Kit and Narayan, we're able to launch missions
• 53:54
  within a few hours of each other had turned around very short.
• 53:57
  We can even launch off the theme pads within a few beans of each
• 54:00
  other. So again, we're gonna all
• 54:01
  leverage those capabilities that we've warned onto Starship.
• 54:05
  And the last bit is a cryogenic propellant for part of it.
• 54:09
  So again, that is where we're working ground tests right now
• 54:12
  and a lot of what we do for cryogenic propellant transfer on
• 54:15
  the ground translating that to what we do speed.
• 54:19
  And what's so great about this is because we'll be doing it
• 54:22
  through a flight test perspective.
• 54:23
  We'll learn on the flight first flight test how much propellant
• 54:26
  is actually transferred versus what we predict.
• 54:29
  We can make changes that on the ground to the next flight and
• 54:31
  iterate and that will actually wind up determining how many
• 54:35
  mission we need. But even if it's an expensive
• 54:37
  amount of mission, we have all the capabilities and have
• 54:40
  already proven them through other vehicles that we won't be
• 54:43
  able to do what grade was 3D. Just because this is built now,
• 54:50
  but the question was how many fuel transfers?
• 54:58
  Thank you all. Yes, so I will say it will
• 55:01
  roughly be 10:00-ish. That would be my rough guess
• 55:04
  right now, but it could be lower depending on how well the first
• 55:06
  light tests go or it could be a little bit higher.
• 55:12
  All right. Thank you.
• 55:13
  Jessica, I'm going to move on to Joey Roulette from Reuters for
• 55:17
  our next question. Hey, thanks.
• 55:20
  I wanted to follow up on Marsha's question from earlier
• 55:22
  for Jim. What would it take for NASA to
• 55:25
  decide to that first moon landing mission off of Artemis 3
• 55:29
  and on to Artemis 4? And just for Jessica, what is
• 55:32
  Starship's current milestone schedule, including the
• 55:35
  propellant transfer test, the landing before it makes that new
• 55:38
  landing? Thanks.
• 55:41
  I'll let Jessica go first and five flows from the last
• 55:43
  question, then I'll get to yours, Joey.
• 55:46
  Thanks. Yep, so we are tracking for
• 55:50
  propelled transfer capability again the initial flight test in
• 55:54
  2024 and then continue the learning into 2025.
• 55:58
  One of the other visions we have leading up to our in this three
• 56:01
  that we believe is super important.
• 56:03
  Again your plate test is an uncrewed landing to the moon.
• 56:07
  So again, using Starship to do an uncrewed landing on the moon
• 56:10
  and then ascending off the turbine.
• 56:13
  It's super important to again test to ask before we the people
• 56:15
  on board thank yeah, every safety of Jeremy.
• 56:19
  So we want to ensure we do as many flights have as we probably
• 56:22
  can just on the Starship vehicle in general, but also do the
• 56:25
  uncreed landing to the moon with Starship before artists 3.
• 56:33
  And to your first question, Joey, I think it's what I tried
• 56:36
  to say earlier. What are we going to learn on
• 56:40
  who that might make us Page 3? What are we going to do from the
• 56:45
  hardware availability? If hardware is not going to be
• 56:47
  there in a reasonable time, then maybe we need to make a change
• 56:52
  and then. What else could possibly be out
• 56:54
  there that? Some of the issues that Ahmed
• 56:57
  put out there, like the circuit issues, we didn't anticipate, so
• 57:00
  we'll learn from the production of other vehicles as well. 2024
• 57:05
  is a whole bunch of development for some of the spacesuit
• 57:08
  development that we have to go through the SpaceX flights for
• 57:12
  the human Lander, that we have to go through the continued
• 57:14
  build of the two vehicles. So we're constantly looking at
• 57:18
  what is going to be, what is going to be there and what's
• 57:21
  going to be ready and what do we need to do to make sure that
• 57:24
  ultimately we minimize the risk. There's always going to be risk.
• 57:28
  It's flight test. It's landing on the surface of
• 57:31
  the moon, but what do we do to minimize that from hardware
• 57:34
  availability, hardware understanding, and hardware
• 57:36
  readiness? Great.
• 57:40
  Great. I'm going to move on to Kenneth
• 57:42
  Chang from the New York Time. I just put the follow to this
• 57:47
  paper question When would the? ID test be wrong.
• 57:57
  Yeah. I think looking for Jessica for
• 57:59
  that one. Hi.
• 58:01
  Yeah. We are targeting that in 2020.
• 58:05
  We will have flight tests leading up to that.
• 58:07
  We'll be working in close coordination with NASA, but we
• 58:09
  are targeting that mission in. All right.
• 58:16
  Thank you. Going to move on to Kristen
• 58:17
  Fisher from CNN. Hi, thanks for taking my
• 58:22
  question. This message.
• 58:23
  This is also for Jessica Jensen with BASE X Jessica, I'm just
• 58:27
  curious if you could give us an update on the timing for
• 58:31
  Thursday 3rd test flight. And if you can.
• 58:35
  Confirm if it would or would not include that refuelling
• 58:40
  demonstration on that next test flight.
• 58:42
  Thank you. Hi.
• 58:46
  Yeah, we are working towards Starship Flight Test #3.
• 58:49
  Right now we have static fire the featured already we it will
• 58:53
  not be the mission that does the onward ship to Ship Appellant
• 58:56
  Transfer since it's just the next series or iteration
• 59:00
  increasing performance and getting to orbit.
• 59:03
  But there will be. We are working towards a tipping
• 59:05
  point demonstration that might be what you're talking about,
• 59:08
  where the goal is to transfer propellant from the header tank
• 59:12
  into the main tank so it's smaller, instead of learning
• 59:15
  about cryogenic propellant transfer in.
• 59:18
  Orbit. From, from our readiness
• 59:20
  perspective, we are targeting to be ready in January and then
• 59:24
  from an SAA like this thing perspective we're getting the
• 59:26
  life fixture of Flight 3. Part of that is closing out the
• 59:29
  proactive actions from Flight 2. We're on track for that.
• 59:32
  We'll work you closely. So we're expecting that like
• 59:34
  this to come in February. So it's booking like Flight 3
• 59:38
  will occur in February this year?
• 59:44
  Great. Thank you.
• 59:45
  We're going to move on to Alicia Sowers from Massable.
• 59:49
  Hi, thanks for taking my question today.
• 59:52
  This is for Ahmed. Just for our readers can
• 59:55
  understand it's astronauts were inside Orion during Artemis
• 59:59
  One's defense. What could have literally
• 1:00:01
  happened to them given that the heat Shields, the material
• 1:00:03
  wasn't a blading like engineers expected it to?
• 1:00:06
  I'm just wondering, could you be as straightforward as possible
• 1:00:10
  and just connect those dots about what exactly those
• 1:00:13
  potential outcomes? Could be, yeah, the great
• 1:00:17
  question. If we had crew in Artemis 1A
• 1:00:20
  lunar, the lunar return velocity would have been essentially
• 1:00:23
  maximal for the missions we have planned.
• 1:00:26
  They would have not sensed any any disturbance inside the
• 1:00:30
  vehicle. They would not have, there would
• 1:00:32
  not have been any excessive heating on the structure, and
• 1:00:35
  the guidance would have put them exactly where the Navy needed to
• 1:00:39
  recover them. So there would been, there would
• 1:00:40
  not have been any impact or so to the crew safety if we had
• 1:00:44
  that exact same design on Artemis 1.
• 1:00:49
  All right. Thank you.
• 1:00:50
  And I will take a question. From Eric Berger from our
• 1:00:53
  technical. Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Hi. Thanks very much for doing this.
• 1:00:57
  I guess it's probably a question for Jim, but maybe also the
• 1:01:00
  Senator talk a little bit about the confidence that we should
• 1:01:02
  have in a 2026 launch date for Artemis 3.
• 1:01:06
  The date is. Moved 2028 to 2024 to 2025, not
• 1:01:10
  a 2026 and. It just you talk to.
• 1:01:13
  People in the industry and they don't feel like that's really
• 1:01:15
  realistic given all of the work that that Ahmed described that
• 1:01:18
  you described Jim that we've got a that we've got ahead of us.
• 1:01:21
  And so that's really an aspirational date like where
• 1:01:24
  there's a load pants or do you think there's a 50 pants of us
• 1:01:27
  being this date. It just walk you through your
• 1:01:29
  confidence in that date because it does not seem to be
• 1:01:31
  consistent with what I'm hearing in industry.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah. Thanks, Eric.
• 1:01:35
  Thanks for making the time to be on this.
• 1:01:37
  It's interesting because we have 11 people in industry on here
• 1:01:40
  that have signed contracts to meet those dates.
• 1:01:43
  And so from my perspective, the people in industry.
• 1:01:46
  Here and. We've supported, we've signed
• 1:01:50
  contracts to those dates on the government side based on the
• 1:01:54
  technical details that they've given us that our technical
• 1:01:57
  teams have come forward with. It is of course not without
• 1:02:01
  risk. We're moving to air cruise
• 1:02:03
  safety. We're setting a date for three
• 1:02:06
  that we have set with our contractors based on the
• 1:02:11
  technical plans that they've laid out.
• 1:02:13
  All those technical plans have risks to them.
• 1:02:16
  They have risk risk mitigation associated with them off ramping
• 1:02:20
  points based on what we learn as we're going through some of
• 1:02:23
  those tests, you heard Jessica's great description of what their
• 1:02:26
  plans are to get through things to support three.
• 1:02:29
  We also have the space suit development that we're on the
• 1:02:33
  back end of the preliminary design review for Artemis 3.
• 1:02:36
  So the what we found out in in that review process and their
• 1:02:40
  supply chain set up is some of what has also influenced the
• 1:02:44
  date. So from what do we have for
• 1:02:47
  confidence, I don't think I can put a number on it.
• 1:02:50
  What I can tell you is we put margin in there to account for
• 1:02:54
  some of the risks that we plan to that we anticipate seeing.
• 1:02:58
  We've tried to address the unknown unknowns and set a
• 1:03:01
  realistic plan in place. One of the discussions with the
• 1:03:05
  crew is they want to see a realistic plan because they feel
• 1:03:09
  like that. Gives them the best path to
• 1:03:11
  people working, to a realistic schedule and and what we've
• 1:03:16
  tried to put in place. So confidence wise, I can tell
• 1:03:18
  you we've looked at all the steps, what it takes to get
• 1:03:21
  there, who's September of 26th, what it takes to get there from
• 1:03:25
  launching in September of 25, the launching again in September
• 1:03:28
  of 26th, an example being what happened to the mobile launcher.
• 1:03:32
  We understand that better after one we've made engineering
• 1:03:36
  changes for it to stand the launch more so we anticipate.
• 1:03:41
  Driving down some of that. So I think like I want you to
• 1:03:44
  walk away with the the confidence is we understand the
• 1:03:47
  vehicle better, we understand how it comes together better.
• 1:03:50
  And then we, we have the industry people on the phone to
• 1:03:54
  say that's what they've signed up to contractually and that's
• 1:03:57
  what we're going to hold them accountable all.
• 1:04:01
  Right. Thank you.
• 1:04:02
  We're going to take our next question from Jess Fouts from
• 1:04:05
  Babenews. Hey, good afternoon.
• 1:04:08
  A question for Amit, A Bierian factor that you mentioned that
• 1:04:13
  led to the change in the art of the to launch date, Which one is
• 1:04:16
  on the critical path? That is, if you have continued
• 1:04:19
  problems with that, it would further delay the mission.
• 1:04:21
  Thanks. Good question, Jeff.
• 1:04:23
  At this point we drove that September date based on the time
• 1:04:27
  we think it's going to take to do the removal replacement of
• 1:04:30
  the life support system electronic and the penalty
• 1:04:33
  testing required to to do the integration on the way back up.
• 1:04:36
  We're hopeful that the other finding on the on debtor best
• 1:04:39
  result of a board load on the battery as well as the
• 1:04:43
  conclusion of all of the of all the the tests required for the
• 1:04:47
  heat shield of envelope by that work.
• 1:04:51
  Great. We're going to move on to Irene
• 1:04:53
  Clot from Aviation Week. Irene, are you on?
• 1:05:04
  I am. Can you hear me now?
• 1:05:07
  Thanks very much. Irene Clot from Aviation Week.
• 1:05:10
  One quick follow on Gina's question is, could you provide
• 1:05:14
  some metric of how much our material was liberated,
• 1:05:18
  understanding that most of it occurred after that first pull
• 1:05:21
  up, like what percentage came off versus what maybe you
• 1:05:25
  expected to see? And Senator Nelson, you've been
• 1:05:29
  very clear about your concerns about China and China's
• 1:05:33
  development and technological initiatives in space.
• 1:05:37
  And with these delays in the Artemis program, I'm wondering
• 1:05:40
  first of all, if you have any concerns that China would land
• 1:05:44
  astronauts on the moon before the US program could return
• 1:05:49
  astronauts on the moon, and if that would be significant at
• 1:05:53
  all? Thank you, Irene.
• 1:05:57
  I do not have a concern. China's going to land before.
• 1:06:04
  I think China has a very aggressive plan.
• 1:06:09
  I think that you would like to land before because that might
• 1:06:15
  give them some PRP, but the fact is I don't think they will.
• 1:06:22
  I think it is true at their date that they announce keeps getting
• 1:06:28
  earlier, but specifically with us landing in September of 26th,
• 1:06:38
  that will be the first. One, OK.
• 1:06:43
  And yeah, to address the first question, tough because it it's
• 1:06:47
  a currently was across the geometry of the acreage of the
• 1:06:49
  heat shield. It was very small localized
• 1:06:52
  areas. In fact interestingly it would
• 1:06:54
  be much easier for us to analyze if we had large larger chunks of
• 1:06:58
  it and it was more defined. That's what makes it such an
• 1:07:01
  interesting material and physics problem to reproduce.
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  But we do have, we have Lockheed Martin on the call.
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  So I'd like to see if Tonya Ludwig maybe has any.
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  Anything she'd like to add. I think the only thing I'd add
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  on it was we don't know, like you said, exactly the cause of
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  liberation. We're having a great results in
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  the testing and that's why we're doing the extensive ground
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  testing to analyze the data. But there was a healthy margin
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  remaining of that Virgin Ave. coat.
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  So it wasn't like there were large chunks through the, like I
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  said, a healthy margin remaining of that Virgin Ave. coat.
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  And as you said earlier, the temperature data inside the
• 1:07:34
  cabin remained at the expected level though crew were on board,
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  they wouldn't have been in danger.
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  Hopefully that paints the picture of that.
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  It wasn't a very large amount at all.
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  Yeah. I think, Tony, the only thing
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  I'd clarify is that the we did have margin in the material.
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  But what we're really worried about and why we're spending so
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  much time analyzing that is that changes the flow around the
• 1:07:55
  spacecraft changes as well. So we really want to make sure
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  that we understand the future missions under future condition
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  that margin holds up. Yeah, that's.
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  Correct. Yeah.
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  Yep. Yeah.
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  We just want to make sure that we understand why our modeling
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  didn't predict it and so that we have accurate modeling for the
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  missions going forward. And Irene, my answer to your
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  question, remember what I said at the outset, We don't fly
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  until it's ready. Safety is paramount.
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  Whether we fly in September or 26th and land, regardless of
• 1:08:32
  what's then about China, we don't fly until it's ready.
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  Great. And I think we have time for one
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  final question. So we will go with Isam Ahmed
• 1:08:44
  from AFP. Yes, thank you for taking my
• 1:08:47
  question. I guess one of them is Jessica,
• 1:08:50
  how many postal orbital tests do you think spark that needs to do
• 1:08:55
  well prior to the lunar on crude landing for you to be
• 1:08:59
  comfortable to commute to the effect?
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  And one question for Ahmed, which was in terms of the second
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  problem, the electrical problem, I didn't why follow it is a
• 1:09:10
  suggestion that the battery would might not have had power
• 1:09:12
  to correctly execute the the ejection procedure, the
• 1:09:16
  abortion, the abort procedure? Thank you.
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  Yeah, give you the question, I'll hand order first part.
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  But for the on the battery itself, what we thought in the
• 1:09:26
  qualification test was we subjected that battery to a full
• 1:09:30
  separation shock that we would expect for that for the
• 1:09:33
  spacecraft coming off in the launch vehicle and the worst
• 1:09:36
  possible loss of control. And in that case we saw a loss
• 1:09:40
  of in some cases connector conductivity.
• 1:09:43
  The concern would be not that the vehicle would be able to
• 1:09:45
  abort safely off of SLS, but that you'd be able to maintain
• 1:09:50
  all of the power margin that we need for the vehicle to from
• 1:09:53
  that separation all the way through landing that we're
• 1:09:56
  working through all that. But it is a it's not about safe
• 1:09:59
  abort capability. It's about, say, the, say, the
• 1:10:02
  full functionality of the spacecraft during that abort,
• 1:10:06
  and then Jess, if you copied the first part of the question, you
• 1:10:08
  can take that one. Yeah, we're leading up to the
• 1:10:13
  uncurred mission. The main thing we really need is
• 1:10:16
  the prop transfer capability, and there's no minimum number of
• 1:10:19
  blank tests we're going to execute as many of well, it just
• 1:10:22
  helps them iterate along the way.
• 1:10:24
  The proc transfer flight has really been being one really
• 1:10:28
  what's been happening over the past few years as we've been
• 1:10:31
  building the machine to build the machine.
• 1:10:33
  So we've basically been building all of the infrastructure and
• 1:10:36
  entries to ensure that Starship right off the gate have a high
• 1:10:40
  production rate, is capable of reuse and have a lot.
• 1:10:43
  They have a high launch rate. And basically all of that is
• 1:10:47
  going to help us in the prop transfer of lights, the unproof
• 1:10:50
  demo and finally the crude landing just really taking us a
• 1:10:54
  long time from the call it like an infrastructure getting
• 1:10:57
  perspective to get to date's first flight test now the orange
• 1:11:00
  flight Chesky. There's no bare minimum of
• 1:11:03
  flights, it's just as many as we can get to help us iterate a
• 1:11:06
  little bit faster, but really a prop transfer capability than.
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  The All right. Want to thank everyone for your
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  questions. And I know that we had some that
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  weren't able to be answered due to time.
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  So we're happy to follow up with you after the teleconference.
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  Thank you everyone for joining us today.
• 1:11:24
  You can listen to a replay of the teleconference online by
• 1:11:28
  visiting all. Right, everyone, thank you for
• 1:11:34
  tuning in today. I appreciate you stopping by and
• 1:11:38
  hanging out. Being part of this, How
• 1:11:40
  interesting is it that SpaceX actually divulged some
• 1:11:45
  information about the third flight?
• 1:11:48
  They don't ever do that. They never talk about that
• 1:11:51
  stuff. Elon might post something on X
• 1:11:53
  or on Twitter or whatever you want to call it about possible
• 1:11:57
  timelines, but it was pretty interesting that they talked
• 1:12:00
  about the SpaceX representative talked about the timeline for
• 1:12:03
  the actual third flight of the Starship, which according to
• 1:12:07
  them, the hardware will be ready by the end of January, and then
• 1:12:12
  the FAA license will happen more than likely in February.
• 1:12:16
  So my predictions of first, like first half of February, middle
• 1:12:21
  of February may actually come true.
• 1:12:23
  So I listen, I don't work at SpaceX, but I know some guys,
• 1:12:28
  OK, I know some guys. And the depot has refilled and
• 1:12:32
  refueled its liquid oxygen and methane by Starship tanker.
• 1:12:35
  Yeah, it's got to be really cool.
• 1:12:37
  Let's go, Joe. The propellant transfer is going
• 1:12:40
  to be a very interesting, very interesting mechanism because
• 1:12:46
  they have to have a tanker in orbit and they have to dock with
• 1:12:50
  a tanker, with a Starship and then transfer fuel from the
• 1:12:55
  tanker to the Starship. But they also have to launch
• 1:12:57
  those tankers on a booster. So it it's so many parts in
• 1:13:04
  order for them to get to the moon, but it's going to be, it's
• 1:13:07
  going to be incredible. I can't wait for them.
• 1:13:09
  They're basically going to do a slosh test in the next, the next
• 1:13:12
  flight in the flight 3 of the Starship.
• 1:13:15
  Basically a little transfer, like a little slosh transfer
• 1:13:18
  from tank to tank. So we have some information
• 1:13:21
  about that, which is really great.
• 1:13:22
  There was a little bit more information that was shared
• 1:13:24
  about the thermal protection system of Orion and how it
• 1:13:28
  ablated a little bit, a little bit of char on the heat shield
• 1:13:31
  that they weren't expecting and like some pieces of the char
• 1:13:34
  were, they fell off the Orion. But later on in the broadcast
• 1:13:39
  they were saying the NASA representative was saying that
• 1:13:41
  charred didn't affect if there were people inside the Orion.
• 1:13:45
  So it didn't. There was nothing like really
• 1:13:47
  bad happened. So fortunately it looks like
• 1:13:51
  they're they're going to push this back a little bit, but
• 1:13:54
  that's OK too. It's OK.
• 1:13:56
  So NASA's going to push it back a little bit.
• 1:13:58
  What is it now, 2025 for Artemis?
• 1:14:01
  2/20/26 for Artemis 3 and Artemis 4, which is the gateway
• 1:14:08
  is still on track for 2028, so 20252026 and then 2028.
• 1:14:14
  So I have time to set up for my mission to the South here, Get
• 1:14:19
  ready for my NASA mission. Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna
• 1:14:22
  be interesting. I cannot wait to get down there.
• 1:14:26
  And yeah, to just get it going. If you wanna help me get down to
• 1:14:32
  the South, I put a GoFundMe in the chat originally.
• 1:14:36
  Who says you believe those dates?
• 1:14:39
  I believe that those are better dates.
• 1:14:45
  It's NASA, so it's gonna be 2025.
• 1:14:50
  It's a year from now. Could they fix things before
• 1:14:53
  then? Yes, they could.
• 1:14:54
  But the lunar landing, Artemis 3, if they see that was the
• 1:15:00
  other thing, could they do a lunar landing three or four?
• 1:15:03
  It'll be interesting. Just say the least.
• 1:15:05
  I don't know if the people landing on the lunar surface is
• 1:15:10
  going to happen when they want to, but they want it to.
• 1:15:13
  I don't think that part's going to happen, but I think Artemis 2
• 1:15:15
  is going to be fine. And I think Artemis three.
• 1:15:17
  I think Artemis 3 might be a demonstration mission.
• 1:15:22
  I think my Artemis 3 might end up becoming.
• 1:15:24
  They might change it to a demonstration mission because
• 1:15:29
  you can't just go in cold. I don't know, just be because
• 1:15:33
  you have to be like they kept saying during the process there,
• 1:15:36
  during the NASA press conference, you have to make
• 1:15:40
  sure that the people are safe. And that's the important part,
• 1:15:43
  right? So if you do a whole Artemis 3
• 1:15:45
  mission where the Orion capsule docks and they transfer people
• 1:15:49
  to the HLS and then that lands if you do that, but without
• 1:15:54
  people, if you just do it automated without the people and
• 1:15:59
  test out those systems, and of course you're gonna spend
• 1:16:02
  millions of dollars doing that. But if those hundreds of
• 1:16:06
  millions of dollars save the people that are gonna go to the
• 1:16:09
  moon and also set them up for future moon missions, it's worth
• 1:16:13
  it in my opinion. You spend money on some stuff,
• 1:16:16
  right? Like we spend money on stupid
• 1:16:17
  things all the time. Like the government spends money
• 1:16:20
  on stupid things all the time. They waste so much money.
• 1:16:22
  But this wouldn't be a waste, in my opinion, because it's getting
• 1:16:29
  people to the moon. If you're against getting people
• 1:16:32
  to the moon, then I got nothing for you at this point.
• 1:16:38
  Let's see. Michael.
• 1:16:39
  Max. Hey, what's up Mike?
• 1:16:40
  And actually LH2, harder to keep in liquid from the LNLNG with
• 1:16:46
  transitions from vapor to gas and back the cryo temps almost
• 1:16:49
  as easy as water goes from gas to liquid to solid.
• 1:16:52
  It seems like this is going to be a difficult thing for SpaceX
• 1:16:55
  to achieve, but hopefully they can get it figured out.
• 1:16:59
  This is a very small test that they're doing for the third
• 1:17:02
  flight of the of the Starship, so hopefully they can do a small
• 1:17:06
  test and get some of the dynamics figured out to begin
• 1:17:09
  with. Virgilou says I think 2050
• 1:17:12
  sounds more plausible. 25 more years.
• 1:17:15
  I don't know if I'll be around in 25 years, man.
• 1:17:18
  I can't wait. I can't wait.
• 1:17:19
  I want, I need them to go like as soon as possible.
• 1:17:22
  AT Brookie says they'll never launch humans back to the moon.
• 1:17:25
  With this current NASA administration, it will all,
• 1:17:27
  there will always be risks. So there's been other NASA
• 1:17:33
  administrations as well before this that have been working on
• 1:17:37
  this problem that aren't these people that are in this
• 1:17:41
  administration. There's there have been other
• 1:17:43
  NASA presidents, other people that work at NASA administrators
• 1:17:46
  etcetera, and they've been working on this for a very long
• 1:17:49
  time. It's not just the Artemis
• 1:17:52
  program, it was the program before Artemis under the Bush
• 1:17:55
  years that these people were working on this stuff.
• 1:17:58
  So they changed it around and it now it's now they're pushing
• 1:18:02
  hard, which is great and they're getting some progress done, but
• 1:18:06
  and they have the SLS rocket which is you know more than they
• 1:18:09
  had before the Constellation program before wasn't was a cool
• 1:18:16
  plan, but it didn't really seem feasible.
• 1:18:19
  This is feasible. We got a rocket already, we got
• 1:18:21
  an SLS. So like at least we have that.
• 1:18:23
  So they've made some pretty good progress with that.
• 1:18:27
  So we have an SLS, we have Orion.
• 1:18:29
  So we have two components, at least two of the major
• 1:18:32
  components in a really good spot.
• 1:18:35
  The waiting on HLS, they're waiting on the Starship.
• 1:18:39
  They're also waiting on Boeing because the Boeing, the
• 1:18:41
  batteries in Boeing, the Orion capsule and the heat shield,
• 1:18:45
  things like that. They, like they said they spent
• 1:18:47
  the whole last all of 2023 basically looking at the heat
• 1:18:50
  shield and trying to figure out a better way to do it.
• 1:18:54
  And that's what's great about NASA and these companies that
• 1:18:57
  they work with is that they can take a little bit of time.
• 1:19:00
  They have funding. They have.
• 1:19:02
  We pay taxes, right? I pay taxes for NASA.
• 1:19:05
  I'm happy to pay my taxes for NASA.
• 1:19:07
  I'd rather pay my taxes for NASA than anything else, so I'm OK
• 1:19:11
  with that. I would prefer that they get it
• 1:19:14
  done faster, but I would want them to do it right.
• 1:19:18
  Do you want it faster? Do you want it right?
• 1:19:19
  Like, those are usually the questions that engineers ask.
• 1:19:23
  I'm an engineer, too. Like, I I'm a code engineer.
• 1:19:26
  Do you want a fast want, like garbage code, or do you want it
• 1:19:30
  to Do you want me to take some time on it and, like, really
• 1:19:32
  structure this thing out? And there's a difference.
• 1:19:35
  There's a big difference between that and some of my stuff.
• 1:19:38
  Some of my stuff takes months to build, some of my stuff takes a
• 1:19:40
  couple days to build. So it's same thing with Artemis
• 1:19:43
  program. Some of these systems take, you
• 1:19:46
  know, it's going to take them years to get the perfect.
• 1:19:50
  But do you want it faster? Do you want it good?
• 1:19:52
  Do you want to? Yeah.
• 1:19:52
  It's an interesting take on things, right.
• 1:19:57
  So it's a tough one. It's AI would love them to get
• 1:20:01
  it done as soon as possible because I'm selfish and if you
• 1:20:03
  think if you think that. They're not working as hard as
• 1:20:08
  they can, and the administration at NASA isn't working as hard as
• 1:20:13
  they can and pushing people through and things.
• 1:20:15
  They have systems in place now that they didn't have in place
• 1:20:17
  before during the Apollo program, a little bit reckless.
• 1:20:22
  They did the best that they could with what they had.
• 1:20:24
  They're going to get a bunch of money to build a rocket to send
• 1:20:26
  people to the moon, and you have a certain amount of time to do
• 1:20:29
  it. You do whatever dangerous things
• 1:20:32
  you can, and everybody involved knows that.
• 1:20:35
  You know it. There's a huge amount of danger.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah, it's it's a tough one. Apollo 1, like there's a fire in
• 1:20:43
  the. In the crew capsule.
• 1:20:46
  Yeah, it's. It was pure oxygen.
• 1:20:48
  They didn't know. So do you want them to do that
• 1:20:50
  again? I hope not.
• 1:20:52
  That's a very selfish and unhinged thing to say, yeah,
• 1:20:56
  let's go fast, make it done, make it work.
• 1:20:58
  That's the kind of manager I never want.
• 1:21:00
  If you haven't, if you have a manager, that's.
• 1:21:02
  Supposed to make it work? Dude, shut up.
• 1:21:05
  Shut up, manager. Especially if they don't know
• 1:21:07
  what they're talking about. You don't want that guy.
• 1:21:09
  You never want that guy. You just want somebody who's OK
• 1:21:11
  and even keel. Somebody who's not going to put
• 1:21:14
  people's lives on the line. You want people to make sure
• 1:21:18
  that everything works properly. Of course there's there's a need
• 1:21:21
  for urgency, and sometimes is spaceflight that.
• 1:21:26
  Do we need urgency at this point?
• 1:21:29
  Is there an urgent need to send people to the moon?
• 1:21:33
  Why would we rush this? So that's the other question
• 1:21:36
  too. Why would you rush this?
• 1:21:38
  I need an answer if I'm a manager or if I'm in a if I'm in
• 1:21:41
  an engineer, sorry. And my manager comes up to me
• 1:21:43
  and goes. We need this now and I push back
• 1:21:46
  all the time. Why do we need this now?
• 1:21:48
  If they don't have an answer, I'll say we're not going to do
• 1:21:50
  it then There's no reason for me to rush this.
• 1:21:53
  It's just because you're being impatient and you're unhinged.
• 1:21:56
  You're like you have issues, brother.
• 1:21:59
  It's not me, man. Like, why do we rush this?
• 1:22:02
  Is it because to make money? That's a good answer.
• 1:22:05
  Like, just tell me that as opposed to whatever.
• 1:22:07
  But if you rush it in instead of making it safe, that doesn't
• 1:22:14
  make any sense. Until Starship hits orbit,
• 1:22:17
  Artemis has some spare time. Yeah, that's the That's truth.
• 1:22:20
  Fracture gamer. You're 100% right.
• 1:22:24
  Meta Reel says Apollo worked. SLS is a hangar queen.
• 1:22:28
  Engineers are the problem. I wouldn't say so.
• 1:22:36
  There's so many, there's so many pieces.
• 1:22:38
  You can't just point out that engineers are the problem
• 1:22:42
  because we also have funding from the government and they
• 1:22:46
  dictate what goes on. So people are, you know, people
• 1:22:52
  want to. Of course it's easy to point
• 1:22:56
  fingers at somebody or a certain group and blame people, but
• 1:23:00
  there's there's a big system, like millions of people work at
• 1:23:04
  NASA and the surrounding companies.
• 1:23:06
  So like pointing at the engineers themselves.
• 1:23:13
  I don't think that's fair to them.
• 1:23:16
  I don't think that's fair to them.
• 1:23:18
  There's other people of, like I was saying before, like there's
• 1:23:20
  other people involved. There's politicians.
• 1:23:22
  If you want to talk about people that don't get it, sit a
• 1:23:26
  politician down put him in a rocket send them up to send them
• 1:23:30
  up to the moon. They might understand then but
• 1:23:33
  they don't understand what it anything about this other than
• 1:23:36
  there are some of course and I'm talking about the majority.
• 1:23:40
  They don't because it's not their job to understand this.
• 1:23:42
  Their job is to get funding for programs and to help people.
• 1:23:46
  And that's why they hire the engineers and the people that
• 1:23:49
  are talking between NASA and the politicians, advocates, if you
• 1:23:53
  will, to to make sure that everything goes well.
• 1:23:57
  So there's all the pieces. You got to think of all the
• 1:24:01
  pieces. Yeah.
• 1:24:02
  Debs. What did you say?
• 1:24:03
  Debs over 100 likes. Thank you all.
• 1:24:05
  Yeah, thank you, everybody. For over 100 likes.
• 1:24:08
  That's great. So Kelly Kayak adventures.
• 1:24:12
  Five years, 10 maybe 20. Yeah, that's the NASA model,
• 1:24:15
  right? Five years maybe.
• 1:24:19
  It's kind of like Elon time. Elon says it's going to be done
• 1:24:21
  in January or whatever. The the 420 ships.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, we'll watch it in September.
• 1:24:26
  So I moved. I literally moved to Brownsville
• 1:24:29
  so it could be near Starship to see the first launch thing
• 1:24:32
  didn't launch for a year. It was like didn't over a year
• 1:24:36
  after that it was like, oh come on man, yeah it was like Elon
• 1:24:42
  time And so you have to think about the consequences of your
• 1:24:44
  actions too if it's just build this thing and go that is a
• 1:24:48
  that's a dangerous mindset to have super.
• 1:24:52
  Especially when you're talking about, not only is it the people
• 1:24:55
  involved in the rocket, NASA will lose funding, NASA will
• 1:25:01
  lose funding. Public perception of NASA will
• 1:25:04
  just tank. If something happens to these
• 1:25:07
  astronauts during a flight, especially the inaugural crude
• 1:25:11
  flight of Artemis, that's a tough one.
• 1:25:15
  You got to make it perfect because not only does NASA have
• 1:25:19
  to worry about the people involved, but they also have to
• 1:25:22
  worry about the money they get sent to them, which of course
• 1:25:26
  it's a as much as we don't like to say this like NASA is a
• 1:25:29
  business, every piece of the government is a business.
• 1:25:32
  The business is a or the government is a business.
• 1:25:34
  Like you got they got to make money, so they get taxes from
• 1:25:37
  the people. We live on the land.
• 1:25:39
  So we're like, hey, we're going to tax you for living here.
• 1:25:41
  It's OK, cool. So we put our money into there
• 1:25:43
  and then they like that money goes around and some of that
• 1:25:45
  money goes to NASA. It's a business.
• 1:25:48
  They got to make sure that their funding doesn't dry up, which is
• 1:25:52
  unfortunate because if we just gave him a bunch of money and
• 1:25:54
  said, hey, just do the coolest thing you can do NASA, we would
• 1:25:58
  have been on living on Neptune by now or something.
• 1:26:01
  It would have been crazy. It's been yeah, but there's all
• 1:26:08
  the other parts to it. Yeah.
• 1:26:12
  The current moon program has been shifted from the moon to
• 1:26:14
  asteroids and back to the moon. Boeing has been a fatal flaw as
• 1:26:18
  it has a broken culture. I love space and adventure.
• 1:26:20
  T Bricky, I think you do have some good points.
• 1:26:26
  Boeing has been a fatal flaw. I do think that Boeing has an
• 1:26:32
  old school culture and I do think there are pieces of that
• 1:26:36
  culture that would hold back progress.
• 1:26:40
  So that's as nice as I can say it.
• 1:26:42
  I would say some. If I were the angry astronaut, I
• 1:26:47
  would talk about Boeing all day long.
• 1:26:49
  Go crazy on them. But yeah, the the culture is
• 1:26:56
  very relaxed as far as innovation goes in the Space
• 1:27:00
  Flight sector. But the Orion capsule is a
• 1:27:04
  Boeing thing, so there's always good and good and bad for with
• 1:27:10
  everything. Not everything can be like
• 1:27:13
  SpaceX, but even SpaceX, they're not the best, they're the best
• 1:27:15
  at what they do. But they've had, they have
• 1:27:17
  flaws, too. They have as much as as a fan of
• 1:27:20
  Elon Musk as I am, the guy is like the public perception of
• 1:27:27
  his companies, which nobody really cares about if like us,
• 1:27:31
  we don't care about it. But to stakeholders and the
• 1:27:35
  companies like Tesla and whatever, like Elon going on
• 1:27:39
  rants for a while, unhinged like that doesn't help it.
• 1:27:43
  Yeah. So it's.
• 1:27:47
  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to say this,
• 1:27:52
  but oh, sorry, I meant Lockheed, not Boeing for the, for the
• 1:27:55
  capsule, by the way. But yeah, so Boeing makes parts
• 1:27:59
  for SLS programs. And so there are things that
• 1:28:03
  Boeing does that are great. So I'm sorry for that.
• 1:28:06
  But yeah, it's a Lockheed. It's a Lockheed capsule.
• 1:28:10
  So what I was saying about SpaceX is they had their
• 1:28:12
  failures in the beginning. They do a great job.
• 1:28:14
  Now, there were parts where there were times when like
• 1:28:17
  things didn't go so great. I just Boeing.
• 1:28:20
  How old is Boeing, by the way? Boeing is old.
• 1:28:23
  Let's see Boeing, See, let's say Boeing and see when it was
• 1:28:27
  started. Let's look at their Wikipedia
• 1:28:30
  for a second here. When was it started?
• 1:28:31
  It's an old company, 1916. Boeing was started in 1916 and I
• 1:28:41
  knew it. I know it was old, but I didn't.
• 1:28:43
  I thought it was a little bit not 1916, it was.
• 1:28:47
  It's 107 years old, so anything that's 107 years old, there's
• 1:28:55
  going to be dips, there's going to be spikes, there's going to
• 1:28:59
  be mountains, there's going to be valleys throughout the time.
• 1:29:02
  Oh man, it. So there's going to be times
• 1:29:04
  when Boeing is just the worst, of course, but also sometimes
• 1:29:10
  Boeing's going to do some really cool stuff according to the
• 1:29:14
  stock. Let me see the let's see how
• 1:29:15
  much time according to the stock.
• 1:29:20
  Let's see from 1916. I don't know when this is a
• 1:29:25
  thing. Let me just go see.
• 1:29:28
  I'm just going to go buy the stock real quick, just looking
• 1:29:30
  at it real quick. Just let's see January, December
• 1:29:38
  2018, December till now. So what the stock looks like,
• 1:29:43
  Like Boeing was pretty good. Yeah, pretty good in 20, like
• 1:29:57
  back in the beginning, like 2018.
• 1:30:00
  Yeah. Looks good, but not so good now.
• 1:30:05
  Sorry, Boeing. I love you guys.
• 1:30:07
  I hope you do great work. I know you do great work, but
• 1:30:10
  sometimes, like I was saying before, there's dips and
• 1:30:11
  there's, there's valleys, there's mountains.
• 1:30:14
  Sometimes some of the giants fall.
• 1:30:17
  People have said the same thing about Microsoft, which is a
• 1:30:20
  weird thing to say, Like to bring up Microsoft in a
• 1:30:23
  conversation about space, but it's also a private company.
• 1:30:26
  Same thing with any other company that's 100 plus years
• 1:30:29
  old. Anything that's over 100 years
• 1:30:31
  old, like Ford Motor Company, things like that.
• 1:30:34
  It's or Chevy or whatever. Like car companies, like legacy
• 1:30:38
  car companies, They're going to be weird.
• 1:30:40
  They're going to be weird sometimes.
• 1:30:43
  But yeah, yeah, I don't know. It just seems, it seems like
• 1:30:47
  putting all the all the blame on Boeing at any point.
• 1:30:55
  It seems almost like an empty argument.
• 1:30:57
  You can see how they didn't do anything right or they did some
• 1:30:59
  weird stuff, but I don't think they're holding.
• 1:31:03
  I don't think that company's holding them back.
• 1:31:05
  Lockheed's doing a great job. SpaceX is doing a great job
• 1:31:07
  right now. But if we find out.
• 1:31:09
  So once you change your tune, and this is like a fun question
• 1:31:12
  to ask in chat, because I feel the same way as you guys, right?
• 1:31:17
  So I'm like, Boeing's a valuable company.
• 1:31:19
  It's a great company. It makes lots of great things.
• 1:31:22
  They make planes that send people all over the earth all
• 1:31:25
  the time. So the what if?
• 1:31:32
  So this is a big what if, And I want to know what Chad thinks.
• 1:31:36
  What if SpaceX messes up so bad with the HLS?
• 1:31:42
  What if they mess up so bad that they postpone the human landing
• 1:31:47
  on the moon for two more years and they weren't waiting for
• 1:31:51
  batteries for the Orion capsule? They weren't.
• 1:31:53
  Everything else is ready. Ground systems, the SLS, the
• 1:31:56
  Orion, everything else is ready. But what if SpaceX makes them
• 1:32:02
  postpone it for a few years because the Starship isn't
• 1:32:05
  ready? And then can we change our tune?
• 1:32:11
  So you have to think about and dig deep within my friends, dig
• 1:32:15
  deep within. Because I'm one of you.
• 1:32:17
  I love SpaceX. I'm a SpaceX lover.
• 1:32:20
  I think it's amazing. I moved my whole life from the
• 1:32:22
  Northeast where I have all my family, all my friends, all the
• 1:32:24
  things I love to do. I moved down to Brownsville
• 1:32:26
  because I love that rocket so much.
• 1:32:29
  But is if they're if they find something that's so wrong with
• 1:32:36
  Starship that they can't use it for HLS and they have to
• 1:32:39
  postpone and stop production stop flights and they have to
• 1:32:43
  rewind, fix it up for a couple years, everything else is ready
• 1:32:47
  for the HLS missions except for the HLS part.
• 1:32:53
  Then what happens? So slow incremental progress Or
• 1:33:00
  just like how SpaceX does it, iterative design that they
• 1:33:04
  launch as many things as they can and then whatever goes
• 1:33:06
  wrong, they figure out what went wrong and then continue to build
• 1:33:10
  on that and work on that. And I think that's where the
• 1:33:12
  difference is between legacy companies like Lockheed and
• 1:33:16
  Boeing and things like that where they do similar things,
• 1:33:22
  right. Like they they do iterative
• 1:33:24
  design in those companies, not in the public though.
• 1:33:28
  So that's I think that's where the difference is because they
• 1:33:32
  do have a different system, but they do iterative design.
• 1:33:36
  It's just not as not as Fast and Furious as SpaceX.
• 1:33:41
  SpaceX goes wild. They go hard in the paint, man.
• 1:33:44
  Delays on SpaceX will enhance competition, Gregory Allen says.
• 1:33:48
  Yeah, I yeah, I agree. Anything, Anytime that SpaceX
• 1:33:52
  fumbles, I think other people will be like, huh, interesting,
• 1:33:57
  like ULA. They're Vulcan rockets.
• 1:34:00
  Cool. That's good.
• 1:34:02
  It's not, it's going to be a workhorse.
• 1:34:05
  It's going to get missions done. It's going to get the job done.
• 1:34:08
  It's not a Starship. It's not a Falcon Night.
• 1:34:10
  It's not reusable. But the people that hire Vulcan
• 1:34:14
  and they hire ULA don't care. You know, they might be legacy
• 1:34:19
  people that are getting these contracts, but at some point
• 1:34:23
  they just go, hey, this is a pretty good price and we trust
• 1:34:26
  ULA. They make great rockets.
• 1:34:30
  That's why people hire SpaceX. Too.
• 1:34:32
  Good price, like anything. Like I buy a car like I buy a
• 1:34:35
  Subaru because I know it's going to be reliable and it's going to
• 1:34:39
  be a good car. That's it.
• 1:34:42
  Good price, like a pretty decent price.
• 1:34:45
  Good engine. I know it's going to last for a
• 1:34:47
  while. And then you might buy like
• 1:34:51
  something a little bit less expensive because you don't have
• 1:34:53
  as much money. You might get a rideshare.
• 1:34:55
  You might not even get a car. But does it matter that it
• 1:35:00
  lands? Like some people don't care?
• 1:35:03
  Do I care? Yeah, I would rather every
• 1:35:04
  rocket land I want every rocket. I want every rocket to land like
• 1:35:07
  a Falcon 9 every time I want a Starship to land.
• 1:35:11
  I think that's going to be sick. Like when they catch a Starship
• 1:35:16
  that's going to be so cool. I'm going to freak out.
• 1:35:18
  Just wait. You'll see me do a chat.
• 1:35:21
  It's going to be sick. I'm going to cry.
• 1:35:23
  I'm probably going to cry. Debs knows this.
• 1:35:25
  I'll probably cry about this stuff, Gnarly says.
• 1:35:30
  I like the way SpaceX goes. I do too.
• 1:35:32
  I think it's great. But Tesla cars are not the
• 1:35:35
  cheapest, though, but they work really great.
• 1:35:37
  Apparently, like most people that buys Teslas are very
• 1:35:40
  satisfied with their vehicles. There are some outliers that are
• 1:35:44
  like the paint wasn't perfect or whatever.
• 1:35:46
  There are some people that are nitpicky about things, but and
• 1:35:50
  there are some builds that are just not great.
• 1:35:52
  But if you make hundreds of thousands of cars like of course
• 1:35:55
  every once in a while you get a bed batch fracture.
• 1:35:58
  Gamer says I'm stoked for Stoke Space.
• 1:35:59
  Yeah, same here. I think stoke space is a cool
• 1:36:01
  company. You blub like a baby.
• 1:36:04
  Debs. I'm going to Yeah, I do crew
• 1:36:07
  two. I was freaking crying, man.
• 1:36:09
  I'm. I love this stuff so much.
• 1:36:10
  I'm so passionate about Space Flight and I sometimes I go on
• 1:36:13
  rants chat like you've been here with me the whole time.
• 1:36:18
  Like when I started getting funding for my GoFundMe to move
• 1:36:21
  to Texas to see Starship, I was like, I would go to bed at night
• 1:36:25
  and just be like, this is so cool and just like a little
• 1:36:28
  tear, one little tear would fall down my face.
• 1:36:32
  Oh, let's go, Joe. Catching.
• 1:36:33
  Yeah, catching a Starship. Sorry, my bad.
• 1:36:37
  Marina, What's up? Yeah, it's going to be, it's
• 1:36:42
  going to be interesting. Interesting in the next few
• 1:36:45
  years to see what happens is if Starship is successful, I can't
• 1:36:52
  say when, because nobody knows. But if Starship is successful,
• 1:36:57
  it's gonna change everything. It's gonna be the most insane
• 1:37:05
  amount of cargo going to space for a good price too.
• 1:37:12
  The economics of it are gonna just destroy everybody else.
• 1:37:17
  Elon is maniacal and like the whole team there.
• 1:37:21
  It's not just Elon though, it's the whole team.
• 1:37:23
  They're super competitive people.
• 1:37:25
  They want to be the best in that if you apply to space XI know
• 1:37:29
  people that work there. I used to live right next to
• 1:37:31
  four or five people that worked at SpaceX and they know how
• 1:37:34
  competitive it is and like it's hard work.
• 1:37:38
  I was neighbors, I was friends with them.
• 1:37:40
  I still keep in touch with them and the their interview process,
• 1:37:45
  super competitive. You're if you're not like the
• 1:37:48
  best of the best, they're not going to hire you.
• 1:37:50
  Just forget about it. Forget about it.
• 1:37:53
  They're not going to, they're not going to talk to you.
• 1:37:54
  It's going to be like, oh, you're just some rando with some
• 1:37:57
  cool projects or whatever, you're cool.
• 1:37:59
  But all the people that I was friends with and and Starbase,
• 1:38:07
  they were just ridiculously intelligent people.
• 1:38:12
  So crazy, so crazy. And they're all competitive.
• 1:38:17
  They're all very, they would talk about Starship like it's
• 1:38:20
  going to change humanity like they have.
• 1:38:24
  It's almost like a Steve Jobs type of like an Apple sort of
• 1:38:28
  sense like we're taking on, we're taking on the world.
• 1:38:33
  And them as engineers and as people involved with that
• 1:38:37
  company, they wanted to like, they wanted to destroy everybody
• 1:38:42
  in like a good way, in a competitive way.
• 1:38:45
  It's like when you play soccer or something, like when you play
• 1:38:48
  a game against somebody else and you're like, I'm going to beat
• 1:38:51
  you at this game. And it's because I have this
• 1:38:54
  drive in me. It has nothing to do with you.
• 1:38:56
  It's just because it's driving me.
• 1:38:58
  I'm going to do the best thing for humanity.
• 1:39:01
  And that's why everybody at SpaceX thinks so.
• 1:39:04
  Those people. Are.
• 1:39:06
  Who make things happened down there.
• 1:39:09
  It's incredible. It was I just fortunate to have
• 1:39:11
  them as friends and to know that they exist and that they took me
• 1:39:14
  in as like one of their homies. Like I had barbecues with them
• 1:39:17
  and stuff. It was pretty fun, yeah.
• 1:39:20
  So yeah, I had some good times anyway, I can't talk about most
• 1:39:24
  of it but not like that though. Not like that most of it.
• 1:39:27
  They wouldn't spill the tea or anything.
• 1:39:29
  They would just say say some things.
• 1:39:30
  But that was back in the day too.
• 1:39:31
  Like the 420 Ship Four or Ship 20 booster four days.
• 1:39:36
  So all of that stuff is passed by now.
• 1:39:39
  So they would talk about it a little bit and just passing,
• 1:39:41
  like, with each other. And I'd be like, oh, OK,
• 1:39:46
  Interesting. As a reporter, as a Space Flight
• 1:39:48
  reporter, they just let me around.
• 1:39:50
  I was like, dude, what are you guys doing?
• 1:39:51
  But I wouldn't report on it, 'cause it was just, that's not
• 1:39:54
  the right thing to do. But I would hint at it every
• 1:39:56
  once in a while. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna
• 1:39:58
  be crazy, though. Let's go.
• 1:40:01
  Joe says the catching might not work.
• 1:40:02
  Elon said it would be A Farewell to Arms events again.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah, what a nice meme. Farewell to arms.
• 1:40:09
  A fine busy as being hanging out here.
• 1:40:11
  Nice, Marina, that's awesome. Yeah, I'm happy you're here.
• 1:40:14
  I'm. I'd love to do these live shows,
• 1:40:16
  by the way. Usually we do them at 3:00 on
• 1:40:19
  Tuesdays and Thursdays, and we have some sort of some sort of
• 1:40:22
  Space Flight topic to talk about.
• 1:40:24
  But today was a little bit early, started at 1:15 PM, and
• 1:40:27
  we're still going strong at three O 5:00 PM.
• 1:40:30
  So I think I'm going to have to call it for today.
• 1:40:33
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• 1:41:51
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• 1:41:55
  Yeah, I saw that. I haven't watched it quite yet.
• 1:41:58
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  So, like, I'm moving everything that I have down to the South,
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