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Sharri | 29 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, James. Good evening. Tight interest rates are now at
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Speaker 1: a 15-year high after the RBA raised the cash rate
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Speaker 1: to 4.6% today and they flagged further rate rises in
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Speaker 1: the coming months. We've had four rate rises this year
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Speaker 1: and likely it'll be five or even six by the
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Speaker 1: end of the year. It's extraordinary to think the RBA
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Speaker 1: had a rate cut before the election and there was
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Speaker 1: heavy speculation there was political pressure behind the scenes. The
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Speaker 1: Treasurer Jim Chalmers today blamed the war in the Middle
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Speaker 1: East for the high inflation. He did say he took
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Speaker 1: responsibility for factors within his control. Now, these other factors
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Speaker 1: include higher housing costs, higher electricity prices, falling productivity and
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Speaker 1: government spending.
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Speaker 2: We do have serious challenges in our economy. Our inflation
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Speaker 2: challenge is being turbocharged by a war on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the world. Australians are paying a very hefty
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Speaker 2: price for that war in the Middle East, and today
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Speaker 2: that price became.
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Speaker 3: a bit steeper.
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Speaker 1: But the RBA Governor Michelle Bullock said that inflation was
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Speaker 1: driven by domestic pressures, not the war in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: This was her opening remark.
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Speaker 4: Inflation is too high and has been driven by domestic
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Speaker 4: capacity pressures. The inflation impulse from the Middle East conflict
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Speaker 4: is in addition to this.
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Speaker 1: In addition to this, and she pointed out the rate
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Speaker 1: rise cycle began before the war. She said the board
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Speaker 1: would raise rates again if that's what's needed to get
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Speaker 1: inflation down. The RBA governor was also asked directly about
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Speaker 1: the Treasurer's role. She was diplomatic, but pretty clear.
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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not here to play a blame game. The
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Speaker 4: bottom line is that there are a number of pressures
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Speaker 4: all bearing down inflation at the moment. And the problem
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Speaker 4: is that demand is growing more quickly than supply and
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Speaker 4: all sorts of things are contributing to that. And then
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Speaker 4: you layer on top of that the Middle East conflict
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Speaker 4: and we've got a very difficult situation.
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Speaker 1: Asked today by a journalist if he was sorry for
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Speaker 1: the position that Australians are in, the Treasurer chose not
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Speaker 1: to apologise. Then the One Nation leader, Pauline Hanson, came
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Speaker 1: out and she called for Chalmers to resign.
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Speaker 5: And yet again, Jim Chalmers blames everyone but himself. Labor
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Speaker 5: has wrecked our economy and it needs to be fixed.
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Speaker 5: Labor is running this country into the ground. The best
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Speaker 5: thing Jim Chalmers could do today is implement One Nation's
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Speaker 5: super pay boost. Then he should resign.
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Speaker 1: Now Australians are certainly feeling the pain. GDP per capita,
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Speaker 1: per person, has fallen in 10 of the last 16 quarters.
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Speaker 1: And then you just compare our cash rate with that
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Speaker 1: of other developed economies around the world. Have a look
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Speaker 1: at these figures. Australia, 4.6%. We're right up there. Hong Kong, 4.25%.
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Speaker 1: The United States, between 3.75% and 4%. The United Kingdom, 3.75%.
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Speaker 1: South Korea, 3%. New Zealand, 2.75%. Canada, 2.25%. Japan, 1.25
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Speaker 1: and Switzerland, zero. Only Iceland is worse than us in Australia.
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Speaker 1: This is extraordinary. That graph, unbelievable. We now have the
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Speaker 1: highest cash rate among the major developed world economies, meaning
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Speaker 1: Australian families are worse off. It can't just be the
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Speaker 1: Iran war. This is the biggest indication that the Albanese
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Speaker 1: government has mismanaged inflation and mismanaged our economy. And I'll
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Speaker 1: come back to that in just a moment with former
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Speaker 1: Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. But now this is quite extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Penny Wong is refusing to answer questions about
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Speaker 1: where she sourced her information for her claim that 15,000
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Speaker 1: Palestinian children have been displaced from the West Bank. The
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Speaker 1: Israeli Foreign Ministry has labelled this a blatant lie. And
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Speaker 1: the United Nations say the number is only 1,000. But
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Speaker 1: here's our Foreign Minister, Penny Wong, making this egregious and
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Speaker 1: erroneous claim at the United Nations.
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Speaker 4: In the West Bank, the situation is worsening. In the
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Speaker 4: first six months of this year alone, settler violence has
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Speaker 4: driven more than 15,000 children from their homes.
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Speaker 1: How embarrassing for Penny Wong. Let's look at the actual figures.
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Speaker 1: The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
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Speaker 1: says that a thousand Palestinian children were displaced in the
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Speaker 1: West Bank in the first six months of this year. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is likely an inflated figure, but nevertheless, it's nowhere
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Speaker 1: near the 15,000 that Penny Wong claimed at the United Nations.
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Speaker 1: Israel's Ministry for Foreign Affairs has released a public statement
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Speaker 1: saying from where and from whom did Australian Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong get this blatant lie? Israeli Ambassador to Australia
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Speaker 1: Hillel Newman told me today that Israel is not aware
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Speaker 1: of any credible sources that substantiate the claim that 15,000
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Speaker 1: Palestinian children were driven from their homes in the West
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Speaker 1: Bank in the first six months of this year due
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Speaker 1: to settler violence. Now, I asked Wong's office today four questions.
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Speaker 1: Where she sourced her figures from, whether she'd be correcting
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Speaker 1: the record, and whether she'd be apologising to the Jewish
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Speaker 1: community for spreading misinformation, whether she acknowledges that she's contributed
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Speaker 1: to the environment of anti-Semitism that's risking the safety of
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Speaker 1: Jewish Australians. Her office refused to provide a statement for publication.
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Speaker 1: Her former colleague, Labor MP Michael Damby, had this to
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Speaker 1: say about her misinformation when I first mentioned it on
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Speaker 1: the show here last night.
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Speaker 6: I think she's used the Save the Children's statistics of
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Speaker 6: 1,050 that they issued a few days ago and misread it.
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Speaker 6: But how infamous is it, Bronwyn and Shari? for the
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Speaker 6: foreign minister of a serious country like Australia to read
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Speaker 6: false statistics against Israel into the United Nations record.
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Speaker 1: Look, there's another point here as well. Australia, Penny Wong,
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Speaker 1: was one of the instigators to call for the care
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Speaker 1: of the Palestinian children motion that was being heard at
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Speaker 1: the UN. That was why Wong was speaking about this
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Speaker 1: issue at the United Nations. But what about the Israeli children?
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Speaker 1: Why hasn't Penny Wong spoken about the displaced Israeli children?
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Speaker 1: Why does she only care about the displaced Palestinian children?
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Speaker 1: Ambassador Hillel Newman again said today, And I looked up
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Speaker 1: the figures. Israel's National Emergency Authority says that 51,000 547
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Speaker 1: Israeli children and young people were displaced from their homes
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Speaker 1: in northern and southern Israel after October 7, 51,000. And
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Speaker 1: 40 children were murdered as a result of the October
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Speaker 1: 7 atrocities, burnt or shot dead children by Palestinian terrorists
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Speaker 1: and Children were also taken hostage in Gaza. Some were
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Speaker 1: then murdered, like Kafir and Ariel Bibas, along with their mother, Shiri.
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Speaker 1: The children, just nine months old and four years old,
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Speaker 1: deliberately killed by Palestinian terrorists' bare hands. Why doesn't Penny
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Speaker 1: Wong speak about any of this? Why does she only
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Speaker 1: seem to care about Palestinian children. The Australian Jewish Association
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Speaker 1: President Robert Gregory said Penny Wong should commit to sourcing
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Speaker 1: accurate information if she wants to represent Australia on the
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Speaker 1: world stage. He said when Australia's foreign minister spreads ugly
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Speaker 1: misinformation about Jews in the Jewish state, it contributes to
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Speaker 1: an environment of anti-Semitism at home and risks the safety
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Speaker 1: of the Jewish community. He says Penny Wong must explain
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Speaker 1: where this extraordinary figure came from and apologise to the
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Speaker 1: Jewish community for spreading misinformation which damages social cohesion at
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Speaker 1: a time of heightened tensions in Australia. Look, this is irresponsible,
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Speaker 1: reckless and dangerous of Penny Wong to present false information
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Speaker 1: about Israel at the United Nations, all while ignoring the
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Speaker 1: plight of innocent Jewish children. Let's return to today's rate decision.
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Speaker 1: It marks the 16th cash rate rise under the Albanese
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Speaker 1: government's In the previous Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison government, there was
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Speaker 1: just one rate rise. So this is quite a contrast.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now for his analysis, former Treasury Assistant Secretary
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Speaker 1: David Pearl. David, great to see you again. Look, the
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Speaker 1: RBA Governor Michelle Bullock said she wouldn't engage in a
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Speaker 1: blame game. I just played those comments a moment ago.
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Speaker 1: But David, how much of this rate rise is because
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Speaker 1: of the Albanese government's failure over productivity and spending? Good
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Speaker 1: to be with you, Shari.
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Speaker 7: A great deal of it. Governments can't dial up and
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Speaker 7: down productivity as if it's a thermostat. So we're really
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Speaker 7: looking at fiscal policy and the government's willingness and ability
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Speaker 7: to rein in spending. And in that regard, Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 7: is completely missing in action. He had two golden opportunities
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Speaker 7: to put the brakes on spending since this latest inflationary
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Speaker 7: surge late last year. He had MAIFO in December. He
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Speaker 7: chose to do nothing. and he had the budget and
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Speaker 7: he chose to do nothing and instead decided to declare
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Speaker 7: in a generational war on older Australians. So Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 7: has gone completely missing in action, but I must say
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Speaker 7: Michelle Bullock and Jenny Wilkinson and the rest of the
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Speaker 7: board badly dropped the ball on inflation last year. They've
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Speaker 7: raised the cash rate four times this year, as you report,
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Speaker 7: but they cut it three times last year, including one
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Speaker 7: cut just before the election.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which... both you and I spoke about at length
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Speaker 1: at the time, and we speculated that there might have
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Speaker 1: been political pressure behind the scenes. That hasn't been proven, verified,
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Speaker 1: but there was certainly, you know, a lot of speculation
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Speaker 1: that that might have been the case. Clearly now it
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Speaker 1: was a mistake to cut the cash rate that one
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Speaker 1: time before the federal election. David, do you think the
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Speaker 1: RBA should be more upfront with the Australian public, upfront
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Speaker 1: that the government is a major contributor to the rate rise?
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Speaker 8: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 7: And I think this is a major failure of leadership
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Speaker 7: on Michelle Bullock's part. She's independent of government. She can
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Speaker 7: only be removed by a vote of both houses of
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Speaker 7: parliament in limited circumstances. Jenny Wilkinson's on the board. And
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Speaker 7: of course, she's Jim Chalmers' number two. But Michelle has
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Speaker 7: been very reluctant to call out the government. You might
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Speaker 7: remember last year, A reference to public demand appeared in
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Speaker 7: an RBA document. Jim Chalmers took exception to that and
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Speaker 7: Michelle Bullock fell over herself days later to say public
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Speaker 7: demand wasn't the main game. That's untrue. Public demand, both
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Speaker 7: federal and state, is a third of the economy. We've
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Speaker 7: only got two options to cut inflation, either the interest
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Speaker 7: rate option or the spending option. So Michelle doesn't have
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Speaker 7: to criticise Jim Chalmers personally. She can simply say these
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Speaker 7: capacity pressures are because demand, including public demand, are running
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Speaker 7: too strong and she refuses to do it. To me,
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Speaker 7: that's weakness.
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Speaker 1: The Treasurer is blaming the Iran war. He mentioned it
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Speaker 1: something like a dozen times in his press conference today.
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Speaker 1: But then you look at the figures and, David, isn't
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Speaker 1: our cash rate worse than all the other major developed economies?
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Speaker 7: It is because... All the other major developed economies got
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Speaker 7: on top of inflation after COVID because their central banks
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Speaker 7: took it seriously. Our central bank board didn't take it seriously.
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Speaker 7: They tolerated inflation remaining higher for longer, and then they
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Speaker 7: cut the rate last year, as I mentioned. So even
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Speaker 7: before a shot was fired in Iran, we had an
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Speaker 7: inflationary outbreak in this country which necessitated interest rates That's
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Speaker 7: why our rates are higher.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you look at that international comparison. Is this
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Speaker 1: therefore the clearest evidence that both our government and the
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Speaker 1: central bank, because you can't let the central bank off
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Speaker 1: the hook here, have mishandled inflation?
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 7: Well, it's difficult to draw comparisons because, of course, the
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Speaker 7: domestic circumstances of different economies differ. But our central bank
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Speaker 7: board under Stephen Kennedy at the time and Michelle Bullock
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Speaker 7: tolerated higher inflation coming out of COVID. They didn't allow
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Speaker 7: interest rates to go up. They didn't break the back
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Speaker 7: of inflation. And we're still in the midst of COVID
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Speaker 7: era inflation, almost five years later. Other countries overcame it.
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Speaker 7: Of course, Iran has caused inflation to tip up for them.
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Speaker 7: But as you point out, their inflation rates are lower
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Speaker 7: than ours and their cash rates are lower.
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Speaker 1: You'd be among the many expecting we might see another
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Speaker 1: rise or two again this year?
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, it's probably necessary, but to be honest, I don't
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Speaker 7: have much confidence in Bullock and her board to do
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Speaker 7: the right thing. They've been prevaricating over the last few months,
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Speaker 7: despite clear evidence that inflation is higher than they would
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Speaker 7: like to see.
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Speaker 1: They did act today.
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Speaker 7: Will they sit in their hands in November or not?
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Speaker 7: Who knows?
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Speaker 1: All right. David Pearl, really appreciate your analysis. Thank you
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Speaker 1: very much. And he's the former Treasury Assistant Secretary, so
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Speaker 1: he knows what he's speaking about. Last night, I exclusively
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Speaker 1: revealed secret Liberal polling that showed Anthony Albanese's popularity has
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Speaker 1: sunk to lower levels than any Prime Minister in recent history,
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Speaker 1: including Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and Scott Morrison. The confidential
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Speaker 1: Liberal polling shows that Albanese's net favourability in Labor-held seats
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Speaker 1: in Sydney is as low as minus 72% among men
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Speaker 1: and minus 63% among women. Separate from that, so that's
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Speaker 1: confidential Liberal Party research. Now, separate from that, I spoke
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Speaker 1: about research by a Liberal-aligned firm that suggests there's a
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Speaker 1: genuine prospect of a one-nation government at the New South
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Speaker 1: Wales election in six months' time. DPG Advisory is the
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Speaker 1: firm behind this research. They've drawn on internal polling, along
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Speaker 1: with results in other states, that predict that One Nation
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Speaker 1: will win 48 seats at the New South Wales government election,
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Speaker 1: Labor reduced to 29, the Liberals just eight seats, Nationals nothing,
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Speaker 1: a wipeout, no seats, the Greens three and the Independents five. Now,
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Speaker 1: under this modelling, Mike Newman, the One Nation leader, would
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Speaker 1: become the Premier of New South Wales. The top five
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Speaker 1: New South Wales Labor seats which they predict are set
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Speaker 1: to fall to One Nation next March are Port Stephens, Wyong, Charleston, Newcastle, Cessnock.
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Speaker 1: And that would see three senior government ministers booted out
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Speaker 1: of Parliament altogether. And Chris Minns would lose the top job.
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Speaker 1: For more on this now, let's bring in the man
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Speaker 1: behind the analysis, founder and director of TPG Advisory, David Gazzard,
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Speaker 1: also formerly an advisor for John Howard as Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: also now a member of One Nation, Holly Hughes. Good
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Speaker 1: evening to you both. Great to see you. Well, David,
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Speaker 1: starting with you on this. Just explain to us how
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Speaker 1: your firm did this research and why do you think
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Speaker 1: One Nation will win in New South Wales?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's our job professionally, Shari, to stay across developments
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Speaker 9: in politics, both at a state and federal level. Certainly
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Speaker 9: our clients are demanding of us timely and accurate news,
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Speaker 9: so we've been staying across this.
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Speaker 3: And the results are there for all to see.
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Speaker 9: If you look at by-elections, and the state election in
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Speaker 9: South Australia, where One Nation have been seeing seismic shifts.
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Speaker 9: It's also replicated in national polls that are printed in newspapers.
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Speaker 9: So what we've done is taken our expertise, overlaid it
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Speaker 9: with national polls, looked at where the biggest swings are
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Speaker 9: in terms of state and by-elections, and come up with
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Speaker 9: a fairly compelling tale, I think, which shows that One
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Speaker 9: Nation is like a tsunami the further you get away
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Speaker 9: from inner city areas. And it's backed up by other
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Speaker 9: anecdotal evidence.
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Speaker 3: If you look at Mike Newman, who.
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Speaker 9: Is running as leader of One Nation, he is standing
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Speaker 9: in a 23% Labor seat, which is, I've never seen
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Speaker 9: anything like that before. You might get a person standing
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Speaker 9: in a marginal seat with one or 2% that they
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Speaker 9: hope to pick up to go into parliament for. for
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Speaker 9: Labor or the Liberal Party, Mike Newman is standing in Cessnock,
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Speaker 9: which has a margin of 23.4%. And the reason is
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Speaker 9: that he knows that his primary vote, if an election
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Speaker 9: was held today, would be well, well above 40%. So
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Speaker 9: these are seismic, tsunami-like shifts in Parliament. And we've got
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Speaker 9: an obligation to our clients to tell them what's happening.
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Speaker 1: And just quickly, David, just on this, you know, you
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Speaker 1: seriously think that we could see a One Nation premier
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Speaker 1: in New South Wales in six months' time based on
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Speaker 1: the research?
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Speaker 9: If the election were held today, and that's a big is,
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Speaker 9: we've got to go through to March, the beginning of
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Speaker 9: March next year, so things can happen in that time.
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Speaker 9: The campaign hasn't started yet. But if an election was
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Speaker 9: held today and those numbers were accurate, One Nation would
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Speaker 9: be in government.
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Speaker 3: Now, consider this, right?
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Speaker 9: Chris Minn's not terribly unpopular, but he's in minority already,
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Speaker 9: so he has no buffer to play with. So once
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Speaker 9: you get into those areas where we're seeing... double-digit swings
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Speaker 9: that go into the 30s in regional and rural areas,
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Speaker 9: you can see why people in Chris Minn's office are
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Speaker 9: telling us that they're worried about their job security going
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Speaker 9: into next year.
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Speaker 3: So this is not fanciful.
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Speaker 9: This is based on data that we're seeing now and
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Speaker 9: anecdotal evidence that we're hearing from all sides of politics.
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Speaker 3: Holly, look.
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Speaker 1: I mean, David just said there he's not a terribly
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Speaker 1: unpopular premier. I'd say he is a very popular premier,
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Speaker 1: Chris means, I mean. But the fact is he's being
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Speaker 1: dragged down by just how toxic Albanese is.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and look, Chris is a lovely person and you
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Speaker 11: can't help but like Chris when you meet him. If
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Speaker 11: you come out to my neck of the woods... And unfortunately,
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Speaker 11: Chris Minns hasn't come out to my neck of the
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Speaker 11: woods where we've seen the closure of the Great Western Highway.
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Speaker 11: We're seeing closures of business. We're seeing families displaced because
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Speaker 11: they cannot get up the main thoroughfare across the Blue Mountains.
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Speaker 12: And Chris Minns hasn't even bothered to come and see anybody.
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Speaker 11: He's been to where the road's broken down since March,
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Speaker 11: has not been to see anyone. You look at rural
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Speaker 11: and regional areas, they are wearing the absolute brunt of
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Speaker 11: this race to renewables. And Chris Minns is not standing
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Speaker 11: up to Chris Bowen. and Anthony Albanese. And so we
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Speaker 11: are seeing rural and regional areas being decimated by wind
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Speaker 11: turbines and the outlook.
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Speaker 1: Are these federal issues?
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Speaker 11: Well, they are, but they're not because the planning issues
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Speaker 11: are landing in the state parliament. And there is now
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Speaker 11: legislation that would allow the planning minister to override local
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Speaker 11: councils and local communities to put up more renewable projects.
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Speaker 12: In the state parliament.
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Speaker 11: And Chris Minns is not interested in hearing from regional
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Speaker 11: areas because he will tell you he's got an energy
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Speaker 11: target he's got to hit and he doesn't care how
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Speaker 11: it's going to happen and it's not going to be
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Speaker 11: with coal. Now, you will see a lot of packages
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Speaker 11: end up in the Hunter because they're very scared about
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Speaker 11: seats up there. But you come out to the central west,
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Speaker 11: they don't hold any seats, they don't care. And the
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Speaker 11: anger is palpable on the ground and you see it
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Speaker 11: everywhere you go. So I don't find it surprising that
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Speaker 11: One Nation's vote is so high.
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Speaker 12: I hear it. I see it.
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Speaker 11: People reach out to me to tell me about it.
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Speaker 11: Mike Newman, he's an amazing candidate. One Nation, we do
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Speaker 11: not have a member. in the state parliament, yet after
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Speaker 11: the next state election could form government.
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Speaker 12: It's really quite remarkable.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean to put you on the spot here, Hol,
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Speaker 1: but are you looking at running in a state seat?
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Speaker 11: Look, I am looking at different options and there is
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Speaker 11: a process and I have started that process, but it's
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Speaker 11: a matter for the party.
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Speaker 1: For New South Wales for One Nation.
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Speaker 12: For New South Wales for One Nation. And, hey, you've
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Speaker 12: heard it here first, Sha.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, sorry.
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Speaker 12: You call me Hol, I'll call you Sha. And you've
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Speaker 12: just heard it here first.
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Speaker 1: So you are running for One Nation for New South Wales.
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Speaker 12: It is up to the party, but I have put
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Speaker 12: an application process in.
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Speaker 1: To run for New South Wales for One Nation.
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Speaker 9: Yep.
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Speaker 1: There you go.
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Speaker 12: Heard it here first, people, as always.
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Speaker 1: Hear a lot of things here first. Because I put
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Speaker 1: people on the spot like that in a nice way. But,
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Speaker 1: you know, we want to know what you're doing. We do. Sorry, Gaz. Yeah.
23:16
Speaker 12: All right.
23:16
Speaker 1: Let's turn to the Greens now. Now they need a
23:19
Speaker 1: new leader after Larissa Waters has said she's stepping down
23:23
Speaker 1: over health issues. We spoke about that last night and
23:26
Speaker 1: wished her well. A vote is expected to happen at
23:29
Speaker 1: a retreat in Sydney this week. Now, David, the current
23:33
Speaker 1: contenders include Maureen Faruqi, David Shoebridge, Sarah Hansen-Young, Nick McKim.
23:38
Speaker 1: I mean, no good options. Maureen Faruqi, probably the worst.
23:42
Speaker 1: She'd turn this into a Palestinian party, wouldn't she?
23:46
Speaker 3: Well, it depends, Shari.
23:48
Speaker 9: It's a good point, but you've got to remember that
23:51
Speaker 9: the Greens are a party that sits in that zone
23:54
Speaker 9: of sort of tend to at the outside, most optimistic 15%.
23:59
Speaker 3: They jealously guard those numbers.
24:02
Speaker 9: So part of their battle is to protect their base,
24:06
Speaker 9: which is increasingly militant and hostile and bred out of
24:11
Speaker 9: university communities that are very pro-Palestinian. So if you are
24:16
Speaker 9: looking to just entrench that vote, you would think about
24:19
Speaker 9: going with Marine Faruqi.
24:21
Speaker 3: If you were looking to expand that.
24:23
Speaker 9: Vote, and reach deeper into Labor heartland, you would be
24:27
Speaker 9: thinking about someone like Sarah Hansen-Young, who is far more popular.
24:32
Speaker 9: Most people think Sarah Hansen-Young, by the way, if you
24:35
Speaker 9: look at polling, they.
24:36
Speaker 3: Think she's already the leader anyway.
24:38
Speaker 9: They didn't know who Larissa Water was and they couldn't
24:41
Speaker 9: line up. So it's two different styles of thinking here
24:46
Speaker 9: within the Greens.
24:47
Speaker 3: Do we expand?
24:48
Speaker 9: Because they've been very concerned about the fact that Labor's
24:52
Speaker 9: vote has collapsed. It's now sitting around one in four
24:56
Speaker 9: primary support voters going for the Labor Party, why hasn't
24:59
Speaker 9: that been driven down into the green support, which is
25:02
Speaker 9: sort of flatlined at somewhere between 10% and 12%? So
25:06
Speaker 9: they're looking to expand. If they want to expand, I
25:09
Speaker 9: would say they would go with someone like Sarah. If
25:12
Speaker 9: they want to appeal to that militant, hardcore, left-wing base,
25:17
Speaker 9: they'll go with someone like Maureen Faruqi.
25:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:19
Speaker 1: Oh, God. a shudder at the thought.
25:22
Speaker 12: It's just awful.
25:24
Speaker 1: I mean, you worked alongside a lot of these.
25:26
Speaker 11: Do you know, I don't think I ever spoke to
25:27
Speaker 11: her in six years. I don't think I ever had
25:31
Speaker 11: a conversation with her.
25:32
Speaker 12: Maureen Faruqi, that is.
25:34
Speaker 11: I sat on committees with Sarah, but Maureen Faruqi, just,
25:39
Speaker 11: I don't have any time for her. And if they
25:42
Speaker 11: put her in as leader, well, let's just hope the 10%
25:46
Speaker 11: to 12% of lunatics that vote for the Greens declines
25:49
Speaker 11: at some point because.
25:52
Speaker 12: Her ideas are just so unpalatable to me. I'm being
25:55
Speaker 12: very careful because she's highly litigious.
25:57
Speaker 1: No, exactly. You know, when I spoke to her the
26:00
Speaker 1: day after the Bondi terror attack and I saw her
26:02
Speaker 1: down at the beach and I thought, what is she
26:05
Speaker 1: doing here with the Jewish community?
26:06
Speaker 12: You would have shown way more restraint than I would
26:08
Speaker 12: have been able to.
26:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
26:10
Speaker 12: Well done, you. Thank you.
26:11
Speaker 1: Holly Hughes, David Gazzard, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
26:15
Speaker 1: And David, fascinating research. It's had everyone talking today, let
26:18
Speaker 1: me tell you. All right. The Albanese government is under
26:24
Speaker 1: pressure to explain why it needs anonymous fake social media accounts,
26:29
Speaker 1: what's called a sock puppet, to supposedly protect Australians online. Now,
26:35
Speaker 1: this is absolutely disgraceful. The legislation defines these bots as
26:40
Speaker 1: a false or fictitious identity assumed by someone while online.
26:45
Speaker 1: It seems Labor wants to stop misinformation by giving the
26:48
Speaker 1: East Safety Commissioner the power to create these fake accounts.
26:53
Speaker 1: As award-winning journalist Michael Schellenberger puts it, Labor's plan to
26:56
Speaker 1: censor the internet is terrifying, unprecedented and Orwellian. And I
27:02
Speaker 1: spoke with him about this a little earlier. Michael Schellenberger,
27:06
Speaker 1: great to see you again.
27:08
Speaker 13: Great to be with you.
27:09
Speaker 1: You've once again done a brilliant piece of journalism exposing
27:12
Speaker 1: the finer detail of this draft legislation, including the use
27:16
Speaker 1: of sock puppets. Tell us a bit about what this
27:19
Speaker 1: actually means.
27:21
Speaker 13: Sure, and it's really wild, which is that the government
27:25
Speaker 13: is saying as part of the legislation it wants to pass,
27:28
Speaker 13: of this broader censorship legislation, that it wants the right
27:32
Speaker 13: to operate anonymous accounts that are frequently called bots or
27:37
Speaker 13: often called sock puppet accounts, meaning sock puppets like operated
27:42
Speaker 13: by somebody other than the person is pretending to be,
27:45
Speaker 13: to essentially, I mean, I think very clearly to wage
27:49
Speaker 13: informational warfare. There's been some sort of discussion that, oh, well,
27:53
Speaker 13: this is about safety and whatnot, but the legislation explicitly
27:56
Speaker 13: says to disseminate information And they use the term sock puppet,
28:02
Speaker 13: which honestly, my jaw hit the floor because sock puppet
28:06
Speaker 13: is mostly a very negative idea. It's the idea of
28:09
Speaker 13: people pretending to be who they're not trying to be.
28:11
Speaker 3: And Sherry, this is the kicker.
28:13
Speaker 13: The punchline is that two years ago, as you know,
28:17
Speaker 13: Australian government introduced legislation to censor misinformation. In that legislation
28:23
Speaker 13: two years ago, they would have punished social media companies
28:27
Speaker 13: for allowing anonymous accounts. And all of this is happening
28:30
Speaker 13: at a moment when various leaders around the world are
28:34
Speaker 13: demanding that the anonymity online come to an end. So
28:38
Speaker 13: we've had a huge effort to stop people from being
28:42
Speaker 13: able to have anonymous accounts. And now here you have
28:44
Speaker 13: the government saying as part of their censorship initiative, they
28:48
Speaker 13: want the government to run its own sock puppet bot
28:51
Speaker 13: accounts online. apparently in an effort to influence public opinion.
28:55
Speaker 1: So they say this is about safety, but there's nothing
28:57
Speaker 1: to stop these bot accounts, these sock puppets from secretly
29:01
Speaker 1: influencing debate, shaping public opinion or conducting their own propaganda,
29:05
Speaker 1: is there?
29:06
Speaker 3: No, nothing.
29:07
Speaker 13: And not only that, but it explicitly says that they
29:09
Speaker 13: have the right to disseminate information, which is all the
29:12
Speaker 13: permission that they need, all the legal permission they need
29:14
Speaker 13: to run essentially influence operations. I mean, it's really wild
29:20
Speaker 13: because for a long time we had suspected that the
29:23
Speaker 13: people that had been raising the alarm in the past,
29:26
Speaker 13: starting in 2016, of Russian bots, of Russian bots trying
29:30
Speaker 13: to influence the 2016 election, there was always reason to
29:34
Speaker 13: think that they themselves were running their own bot efforts.
29:38
Speaker 13: And that came out in politics. in 2017 when it
29:41
Speaker 13: was revealed that the same democratic political strategy firm called
29:46
Speaker 13: New Knowledge that had raised the alarm about Russian interference
29:50
Speaker 13: in the 2016 election had themselves used fake bots to
29:55
Speaker 13: create the perception of Russian support for a Republican Senate
30:00
Speaker 13: candidate in Alabama. So we already have a record where
30:04
Speaker 13: these very shady people who are sort of, I would
30:07
Speaker 13: describe them as very partisan Democrats who had either worked
30:11
Speaker 13: in the intelligence community or had still worked in the
30:14
Speaker 13: intelligence community, either the CIA or the FBI, who were
30:18
Speaker 13: running these bot efforts.
30:20
Speaker 1: The e-safety commissioner, Julie Inman Grant, is American. So I
30:24
Speaker 1: think there's a bit of that woke ideology that she's
30:27
Speaker 1: brought here. that obsession with censorship?
30:31
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, look, I think there's networks of people,
30:35
Speaker 13: particularly on the left, who have had, you know, one
30:38
Speaker 13: foot in various sort of government operations. She's very close
30:43
Speaker 13: with the World Economic Forum. The World Economic Forum kind
30:46
Speaker 13: of runs these extra governmental networks that include many people
30:51
Speaker 13: that were in government or are in government. And so,
30:54
Speaker 13: you know, and she's a very interesting character because she
30:56
Speaker 13: came out and sort of out of the blue volunteered
30:59
Speaker 13: to a journalist that the CIA had recruited her, but
31:03
Speaker 13: that she did not work for the CIA. We all
31:05
Speaker 13: thought that was a very strange thing to just kind
31:07
Speaker 13: of come out and say. And so, I mean, I think,
31:10
Speaker 13: you know, President Trump has done, you know, a lot
31:12
Speaker 13: of work to try to clean up what we call
31:14
Speaker 13: the deep state, these FBI, CIA, other intelligence agencies. So
31:18
Speaker 13: they don't have these activists, political and partisan people trying
31:22
Speaker 13: to wage information warfare against the law, against their political enemies.
31:27
Speaker 3: So there is a.
31:30
Speaker 13: Genuinely long-term effort by a group of people, I would
31:35
Speaker 13: just kind of call it the liberal expert class, that
31:38
Speaker 13: I think they feel out of control because they don't
31:41
Speaker 13: control Twitter anymore. It's in the hands of Elon Musk.
31:44
Speaker 13: Mark Zuckerberg in January of 2025 said he was going
31:48
Speaker 13: to significantly reduce censorship and reduce having these censors around
31:52
Speaker 13: the world censor people for all sorts of issues because
31:54
Speaker 13: he was upset at the manipulation that he had been
31:59
Speaker 13: subject to by the FBI around Hunter Biden's laptop. You
32:03
Speaker 13: put that together, Sherry, with the complaints that you often
32:06
Speaker 13: hear from prime minister, from your prime minister and from
32:08
Speaker 13: other politicians about all these people criticizing them online. It
32:14
Speaker 13: really transparently appears to be an effort for them to
32:17
Speaker 13: kind of create their own ostensible public support but in
32:21
Speaker 13: the most astroturfed fake way. And I think, you know,
32:25
Speaker 13: obviously they didn't get away with it. Now, I think
32:27
Speaker 13: there's a lot of publicity in Australia about it, but
32:30
Speaker 13: I think it just adds to the woes for this legislation.
32:33
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister and his ministers call it misinformation and
32:36
Speaker 1: disinformation when they're criticised. But the sort of ideological issues
32:41
Speaker 1: that left governments would want to censor are quite broad,
32:44
Speaker 1: aren't they? Can you run us through some of the
32:47
Speaker 1: sort of issues that you'd expect this legislation to try
32:50
Speaker 1: and influence?
32:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that.
32:54
Speaker 13: Clearly their number one motivation is mass migration. It's very
32:59
Speaker 13: unpopular in Australia. I saw the prime minister gave visas
33:02
Speaker 13: to an additional 30,000 people, even though it's very unpopular
33:06
Speaker 13: in Australia to allow this mass migration. But they know
33:09
Speaker 13: it's unpopular. And so instead of stopping the mass migration,
33:14
Speaker 13: they're just demanding new powers to censor and to run
33:18
Speaker 13: their own anonymous, unethical, I mean, I think worth saying,
33:22
Speaker 13: you know, it's really unethical to pretend to be somebody
33:25
Speaker 13: you're not in general. The anonymous protections for people on
33:28
Speaker 13: the internet in general has been in the spirit of, well,
33:31
Speaker 13: somebody could be a whistleblower or they could have a
33:33
Speaker 13: job somewhere where they don't want their identity revealed or
33:36
Speaker 13: they don't want to be, you know, stigmatized in their
33:39
Speaker 13: neighborhoods because they have different views from their neighbors. To
33:42
Speaker 13: have the government proposing to operate those I think just
33:46
Speaker 13: shows how much they've lost the public on migration. But,
33:49
Speaker 13: you know, sure, we've seen it a lot on the
33:50
Speaker 13: trans issues. We've seen people be censored and deplatformed for
33:54
Speaker 13: insisting that biological sex is real and cannot be changed.
33:58
Speaker 13: We've seen it on climate change. All of the things,
34:02
Speaker 13: almost all the time when somebody does a so-called fact check,
34:06
Speaker 13: it's in service of censorship. They want to take the
34:08
Speaker 13: fact checks to the social media platforms and demand that
34:11
Speaker 13: they censor on it. We know the Great Barrier Reef,
34:14
Speaker 13: that coral... is at record numbers for the last several years.
34:18
Speaker 13: And they've done fact checks claiming that it's somehow not
34:20
Speaker 13: the case. You know, we've seen, you know, censorship on
34:23
Speaker 13: a whole range of issues, you know, around identity. I
34:27
Speaker 13: think in Australia in particular, you've seen it around race issues.
34:31
Speaker 13: So I think you're just seeing them wanting to use
34:33
Speaker 13: the censorship as a way of coping with their own unpopularity.
34:37
Speaker 13: And you see it all the time, like these governments
34:39
Speaker 13: become really unpopular. And that's when they then propose sanctions
34:43
Speaker 13: censorship legislation with the idea that, oh, it's just because
34:46
Speaker 13: voters are misinformed. I think the real problem is that
34:48
Speaker 13: voters are informed and don't like their policies.
34:51
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And this government is extremely toxic at the moment.
34:54
Speaker 1: No question about it. The research shows that. Michael Schellenberger,
34:58
Speaker 1: thank you so much for focusing on this issue on
35:01
Speaker 1: Australian legislation from where you are in the US. We
35:04
Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's really important. Thank you for your time.
35:08
Speaker 13: Good to be with you, Sherry.
35:11
Speaker 1: All right, still to come, Scott Morrison hits out at
35:13
Speaker 1: Albanese over today's rate rise. That's after the break. Great
35:22
Speaker 1: to have your company. Veterans and MPs across the political
35:25
Speaker 1: divide are furious at Defence Minister Richard Miles over his
35:29
Speaker 1: insulting comments about veterans, about generals. And joining me now
35:34
Speaker 1: to discuss is The Daily Telegraph editor, Ben English. Ben,
35:37
Speaker 1: great to see you as always. Good to see you, Shari.
35:39
Speaker 1: So he's insulted veterans yet again. This is over his
35:43
Speaker 1: comments when he was defending the decision to Andrew Clunell
35:46
Speaker 1: about why he's selling off the Victoria barracks in Sydney.
35:49
Speaker 14: Yeah, look, Richard Miles, his political antenna has in the
35:54
Speaker 14: past been pretty good. He's from the right of the party.
35:57
Speaker 14: He has got this so wrong, this so catastrophically wrong. And,
36:01
Speaker 14: you know, he billed the cat with these comments by
36:04
Speaker 14: basically saying it's a bunch of old generals who like
36:07
Speaker 14: to go and have a drink there. This is so insulting.
36:10
Speaker 14: This is the sacred heart of the Australian Defence Force,
36:14
Speaker 14: for every digger. They may never have been there, but
36:17
Speaker 14: they know that this is a sacred place for them.
36:19
Speaker 14: And it's being treated, it's being trashed by Richard Miles. And,
36:24
Speaker 14: you know, it's relevant of a government that doesn't have
36:26
Speaker 14: any respect for veterans or the armed forces.
36:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't the first issue. They keep insulting veterans
36:30
Speaker 1: over their allied health issue as well.
36:32
Speaker 14: Disgraceful. And that Veterans Affairs Minister, I don't know why, well,
36:36
Speaker 14: I do know why, Albo doesn't sack anyone, but he
36:38
Speaker 14: is a disgrace.
36:39
Speaker 1: No, he is as well. I want to look at
36:41
Speaker 1: your front page tomorrow because you've, of course, gone hard
36:45
Speaker 1: on the Treasurer over the rates decision today.
36:50
Speaker 14: Yeah, we've been wanting to make a point about this
36:53
Speaker 14: and we have since the May budget. The May budget,
36:55
Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers increased spending this financial year, it was slated
36:59
Speaker 14: in the May budget, by $ 36 billion at the peak
37:02
Speaker 14: of the inflation cycle. And he's trying to pretend now
37:05
Speaker 14: that it's not me, it's not us, it's nothing to
37:09
Speaker 14: do with us, it's the war. And he's incredibly vague
37:11
Speaker 14: about it, by the way. Apart from fuel, he hasn't
37:13
Speaker 14: explained just how this is the main determinant of inflation. Well,
37:18
Speaker 14: now Michelle Bullock has called him out on it and
37:20
Speaker 14: schooled him on it. I mean, she knows more in
37:23
Speaker 14: her back pocket about economics than he would in a lifetime.
37:25
Speaker 14: And she's basically said it's domestic constraints. In other words,
37:28
Speaker 14: domestic spending, domestic federal spending that is pushing up inflation.
37:32
Speaker 14: And that's why people's mortgage rates are going up.
37:35
Speaker 9: Yeah.
37:36
Speaker 1: And she also pointed out in her press conference today
37:38
Speaker 1: that the inflation and the rate rise cycle started before
37:43
Speaker 1: the war began earlier this year. Yeah, exactly.
37:46
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
37:47
Speaker 14: They've increased spending by 30% since they came into government.
37:52
Speaker 14: So even if you cumulatively add up inflation, it doesn't
37:56
Speaker 14: come even close to that. So in other words, it
37:59
Speaker 14: is by definition inflationary how they're spending money.
38:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, you know, fine, the deficits have come
38:06
Speaker 1: down by something like $ 6 billion or something, but because
38:09
Speaker 1: they're taxing us more.
38:10
Speaker 3: They're taxing us more, yeah.
38:11
Speaker 14: Thanks, you're welcome.
38:12
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. All right, another big scoop you've got tomorrow,
38:17
Speaker 1: this by your journalist, Susan Giuliani, on pro-Palestinian activist Ben
38:22
Speaker 1: planning a protest... for the most insensitive day.
38:26
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is an utter disgrace. So this is the
38:29
Speaker 14: Wollongong Friends of Palestine who have announced a vigil on,
38:35
Speaker 14: of all dates, October 7. And the original post, which
38:40
Speaker 14: they've since edited, since we got hold of this story,
38:43
Speaker 14: on the 7th of October, we.
38:47
Speaker 14: We will hold space for grief to stop and remember
38:50
Speaker 14: the martyrs and all those who suffer and continue to resist.
38:53
Speaker 1: Celebrating the martyrs.
38:55
Speaker 14: Come to Wollongong and celebrate the slaughter.
38:58
Speaker 1: What I don't get is why doesn't anyone do anything
39:00
Speaker 1: about this? It's the same with the globalised intifada student
39:04
Speaker 1: elections at the University of Sydney. Why doesn't anyone say
39:08
Speaker 1: this is unacceptable, not on our streets? You can't celebrate
39:12
Speaker 1: terrorists on our streets.
39:14
Speaker 14: It's because they're confused and they're cowards. Basically, people in
39:18
Speaker 14: positions of power in this city and this state and
39:20
Speaker 14: this country lack the courage to take this on. They
39:23
Speaker 14: lack the moral clarity and they pass the buck. So
39:28
Speaker 14: we're waiting for police about whether they're going to accept
39:30
Speaker 14: the Form 1, which is the form you have to
39:33
Speaker 14: fill out to have permission to have an event like this.
39:37
Speaker 3: Mal Lanyon.
39:39
Speaker 1: The police commissioner.
39:39
Speaker 14: Yeah, the police commissioner. Chris Minns, stop this.
39:43
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw during COVID how easy it was
39:46
Speaker 1: for authorities, you know, at all levels, in all states,
39:49
Speaker 1: you couldn't sit down on a park bench and breastfeed
39:52
Speaker 1: your baby as a mother, right? The playground's cordoned off.
39:56
Speaker 1: But here you can celebrate terrorists on Australian streets.
40:01
Speaker 14: Everything's upside down. When it comes to this subject matter,
40:04
Speaker 14: then they're all for freedom of speech. But if you
40:07
Speaker 14: want to actually suggest that there's anything wrong with COVID policy,
40:09
Speaker 14: then they want to put you away.
40:11
Speaker 9: Yeah.
40:12
Speaker 1: Oh, it's unbelievable. All right, well, great paper tomorrow. So
40:15
Speaker 1: many stories to get stuck into. Look forward to reading it.
40:18
Speaker 1: And good to have you back, Ben. We missed you
40:19
Speaker 1: last week.
40:20
Speaker 14: Good to be back.
40:21
Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much. Well, coming up, this story
40:25
Speaker 1: really outraged me when I woke up this morning. Why
40:27
Speaker 1: were the five arrested over the UK terror plot given bail?
40:32
Speaker 1: That's after the break. We're to the UK now, and
40:39
Speaker 1: police have released, yes, released, the five men who were
40:44
Speaker 1: arrested over the alleged terror plot near a Royal Air
40:47
Speaker 1: Force base in the UK. President Donald Trump today said
40:50
Speaker 1: he disagreed with the move, which to me seems utterly
40:54
Speaker 1: outrageous and bizarre. The five now out on bail. Former
40:58
Speaker 1: Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister and leader of the Israel
41:01
Speaker 1: First Party, Sharon Haskell, joins me now. Sharon, great to
41:05
Speaker 1: see you again. It's been a while. Good to see
41:08
Speaker 1: you too, Shari. President Trump says he's surprised these men
41:11
Speaker 1: have been released on bail. What's your reaction?
41:15
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I'm absolutely shocked, but I don't think
41:20
Speaker 8: it's a big surprise. But the fact that the British
41:25
Speaker 8: Labour government is endangering British civilians by releasing them is
41:31
Speaker 8: part of a very crooked policy that they've been having
41:35
Speaker 8: during the last few years. It takes me back.
41:43
Speaker 1: I think we might have lost Shireen. We're just going
41:46
Speaker 1: to see if we can get her back. But in
41:49
Speaker 1: the meantime, I'm just going to recap on that topic.
41:53
Speaker 1: So last night on the show, I mean, this was
41:56
Speaker 1: global news right around the world that there was a
41:59
Speaker 1: terror plot in the United Kingdom where five men were arrested.
42:04
Speaker 1: They were seen with masks. They allegedly had explosives in
42:08
Speaker 1: the back of their white vans and They were only
42:11
Speaker 1: spotted because a farmer saw them running. This is near
42:15
Speaker 1: a Royal Air Force base in the UK that was
42:18
Speaker 1: said to have been used by the United States. So
42:21
Speaker 1: used by the United States, including in military equipment for
42:25
Speaker 1: the Iran war. Now, the five were arrested. They have
42:29
Speaker 1: now been released on bail. We've got Sharan Haskell back, thankfully. Sharan,
42:34
Speaker 1: you're joining us again. You were saying you're not surprised
42:38
Speaker 1: that they've been released.
42:41
Speaker 8: Yes, I think part of the policy of the Labour
42:44
Speaker 8: British government was to actually push and, you know, give
42:51
Speaker 8: whether it is benefits or to actually promote a policy
42:56
Speaker 8: that accept and embrace people who come to the UK
43:00
Speaker 8: without any screening.
43:02
Speaker 1: People that they.
43:03
Speaker 8: Know have a very, very dangerous background, like the bodyguard
43:08
Speaker 8: of Sinoir, who was arrested just a couple of weeks
43:11
Speaker 8: ago because of another terror plot. Now, when they give
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Speaker 8: a person like that citizenship, what do they expect? When
43:20
Speaker 8: they come and they put sanction on an ally that
43:23
Speaker 8: assists them with so much intelligence to keep British civilians safe,
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Speaker 8: And then on the other hand, have, you know, zero
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Speaker 8: policy or enforcement about illegal immigration that is coming, where
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Speaker 8: many of them are not being screened, where they know
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Speaker 8: and share it.
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Speaker 1: I think we seem to have lost Sharon Haskell again.
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Speaker 1: I was going to ask her about Australia's Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong, who, as I spoke about earlier in the show,
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Speaker 1: incorrectly claimed that 15,000 Palestinian children had been displaced on
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Speaker 1: the West Bank, a figure proven wrong by the UN itself.
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Speaker 1: I was also going to ask about Ed Miliband's. extraordinary
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Speaker 1: speech today where he claimed, you know, war crimes and genocide, again,
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Speaker 1: all false. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat
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Speaker 1: these claims again, They are still false. There is no
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Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing. There is no genocide. We'll have to try
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Speaker 1: and get Shireen Haskell back another day. We'll take a
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Speaker 1: quick break. And after the break, I'm going to speak
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Speaker 1: with Jono Dunham. And we're going to look at what
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Speaker 1: the Albanese government is actually doing to target the hate
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Speaker 1: preacher who called on his followers to take up arms
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Speaker 1: against Christians and Jews. Because to me, it seems like
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Speaker 1: they're doing nothing. We'll play you the video again. We're
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Speaker 1: back in a moment. Thanks for tuning in. Well, let's
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Speaker 1: return to the shocking revelation that a Melbourne hate preacher
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Speaker 1: has called on his followers to take up arms against
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Speaker 1: Christians and Jews during a sermon. Let's have a look
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Speaker 1: at that footage again.
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Speaker 10: It is to declare opposition in deed, to take up
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Speaker 10: arms against his enemies, to shun them and to stay
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Speaker 10: far from them both in word and deed. This proves
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Speaker 10: that simple opposition of the spirit is not enough, and
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Speaker 10: that it must be complete by honoring of your commitment.
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Speaker 10: O you who believe, do not take the Jews and
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Speaker 10: the Christians for friends. They are friends of one another,
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Speaker 10: and whoever of you takes them for friends is one
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Speaker 10: of them.
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Speaker 3: Surely Allah does not guide wrongdoing people.
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Speaker 1: And thanks to the Sydney Morning Herald journalist Paul Sakal
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Speaker 1: for giving us that footage to show on air. It
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Speaker 1: was his scoop. But the question is, where is the
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Speaker 1: Albanese government on this? It seems to have washed its
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Speaker 1: hands of the problem of hate preachers. And to discuss
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Speaker 1: Shadow Home Affairs Minister Jono Dunham joins me now. Jono,
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Speaker 1: why is no one taking action against any of these
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Speaker 1: hate preachers? Not one arrested since October 7th.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, Shari, it's good to be with you, but I'll
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Speaker 15: tell you what, it is infuriating after the lengths that
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Speaker 15: were gone to post-Bondi. Obviously, a lot of catch-up there,
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Speaker 15: given we sat idly by for the better part of
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Speaker 15: two years while anti-Semitism ran rife in our country and
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Speaker 15: then we had the post-Bondi response, which were those hate laws,
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Speaker 15: amongst other things. There are provisions in the laws that
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Speaker 15: were passed to deal expressly with the incitement of hatred
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Speaker 15: or calls to violence by leaders and preachers. And can
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Speaker 15: I say, if the government isn't going to enforce the
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Speaker 15: laws that were so.
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Speaker 15: Acrimoniously passed through Parliament and caused huge amounts of angst
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Speaker 15: in our community, then what are they doing? This sort
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Speaker 15: of activity is what led to Bondi. People saying things
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Speaker 15: unchecked of this nature, anti-Semitic hatred being able to be
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Speaker 15: said in a public way, in a legitimised way, as
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Speaker 15: this man is doing, and the government just turning a
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Speaker 15: blind eye. Words lead to actions and actions have consequences.
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Speaker 15: This is what happened at Bondi and our laws need
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Speaker 15: to be enforced. So I hope Action is taken. Now
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Speaker 15: this footage is being broadcast. It's the kind of thing
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Speaker 15: that law enforcement agencies, the government, cannot turn a blind
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Speaker 15: eye to.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you just never hear government ministers speaking about this.
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Speaker 1: It's such a big issue. It makes people so annoyed.
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Speaker 1: And to be frank, it's one of the issues that
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Speaker 1: just drives voters into the arms of One Nation. Jono,
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Speaker 1: I'm keen to get your thoughts on the Foreign Minister
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Speaker 1: Penny Wong. It does appear like she gave a false figure,
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Speaker 1: erroneous evidence to the United Nations. She said that 15,000
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Speaker 1: children had been displaced in the West Bank in the
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Speaker 1: first six months of this year. The United Nations has
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Speaker 1: that figure at 1,000. Israel has come out and called
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Speaker 1: it a blatant lie. Should she correct the record?
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Speaker 15: Well, she should correct the record. When you stand on
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Speaker 15: the world stage and you make pronouncements on behalf of
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Speaker 15: the entire country, especially at a time when conflict such
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Speaker 15: as the one that we are seeing in the Middle
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Speaker 15: East has sensitivities around it, you need to be accurate
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Speaker 15: in what you say. Saying things just in the hope
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Speaker 15: that you can latch onto the zeitgeist that we see
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Speaker 15: in our country, or at least parts of our country
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Speaker 15: at the moment, around Israel versus Palestine and being with
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Speaker 15: the cool kids and backing in Palestine. That is not
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Speaker 15: what a foreign minister should be doing. And so I
48:25
Speaker 15: think it is the right thing for the minister to
48:28
Speaker 15: correct the record. I mean, that is an enormous error
48:31
Speaker 15: to get that so wrong. Sadly, though, when you look
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Speaker 15: at Labor and the people that are running the show
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Speaker 15: at the moment, you know what they believe, you know
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Speaker 15: what they think. And it certainly isn't one that is
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Speaker 15: based on fact and sadly sees things like this being said.
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Speaker 1: And just quickly added to that, how do you give
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Speaker 1: a whole speech about children being displaced and not mention
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Speaker 1: the Israeli children who've been displaced?
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Speaker 15: Well, this is the thing. It's an inconvenient truth. I mean,
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Speaker 15: as I say, the zeitgeist, the belief structure within Labor
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Speaker 15: is one that doesn't want to accommodate that horrible truth.
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Speaker 15: And this is the indictment on Labor. This is where
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Speaker 15: our country needs to get it right. It's this coupled
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Speaker 15: with what we just talked about before, turning a blind
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Speaker 15: eye to hate preachers that led to such a hostile
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Speaker 15: environment in our country to Jewish people. It's not OK.
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Speaker 15: It's got to stop and it's got to stop at
49:17
Speaker 15: the top with ministers and the progressives.
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Speaker 3: Minister too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but of course none of them called to give
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Speaker 1: evidence to the Royal Commission. Speaking of inaction, Home Affairs
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Speaker 1: Minister Tony Burke is under pressure to explain why an
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Speaker 1: extreme anti-Israel, pro-Hamas American influencer, Hassan Paika, was granted a
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Speaker 1: visa to appear at a convention in Melbourne in January.
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Speaker 1: Should this be reversed?
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Speaker 3: Yes, it should.
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Speaker 15: I mean... We seem to have a bit of a
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Speaker 15: pattern here where you find out about someone being granted
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Speaker 15: a terrible visa, you do broadcast on it, and then
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Speaker 15: the next day we find that the minister and the
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Speaker 15: department have reversed the decision to grant the visa. This
49:58
Speaker 15: is not how it should be working. These are the
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Speaker 15: people we should be weeding out. We shouldn't be stopping
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Speaker 15: the backpackers because of the need to keep numbers down
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Speaker 15: and issuing visas to this joke, this horrendous individual. It
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Speaker 15: just shows that, of course, the government aren't really focused
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Speaker 15: on the job at hand. The hand is not on
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Speaker 15: the tiller and they've not got control over our borders.
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Speaker 15: The integrity of the immigration system, including who comes here
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Speaker 15: on a temporary or visitor visa like this, is important.
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Speaker 15: Allowing people in like that, that say things like he did,
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Speaker 15: They've no place here and so it should definitely be revoked.
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Speaker 3: It's a no-brainer.
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Speaker 1: Good line, you know, blocking backpackers but allowing people like
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Speaker 1: this to come. Just before we go, just got 30
50:41
Speaker 1: seconds or so, your comment on the rate rise today.
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Speaker 15: Well, of course, we all knew this was coming and
50:50
Speaker 15: for ministers and Labor members to be out there today
50:53
Speaker 15: saying we know it's tough, It's really hard at the
50:56
Speaker 15: moment but, hey, we've given you cheaper childcare and cheaper
50:59
Speaker 15: medicines and somehow that makes everything okay. This is a
51:02
Speaker 15: point in time where a government should admit things aren't great,
51:05
Speaker 15: they haven't got things right and a change is needed.
51:08
Speaker 15: That's what a good government would do but it's falling
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Speaker 15: on deaf ears and people tonight will be wondering where
51:14
Speaker 15: the extra money is going to come from to pay
51:16
Speaker 15: these mortgage repayments that are now going to be larger.
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Speaker 15: It's a sad day and, of course, November will be
51:21
Speaker 15: much worse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just remembered I forgot to read out
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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison's statement. Maybe Paul Murray will get to it.
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Speaker 1: John O'Donoghue, good to see you. And I'll see everyone
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Speaker 1: tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul.