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The Late Debate | 9 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I'm Danika DiGiorgio, joined tonight by
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  Speaker 2: News 24 contributor Joe Hildebrand and former New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: Police Minister David Elliott. Gentlemen, good evening.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to be here.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have you both on.
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  Speaker 3: This is an all-new line-up, I believe.
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  Speaker 4: This is an all-new line-up. We haven't done this configuration before.
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  Speaker 5: We are doing musical chairs right now, Joe, aren't we?
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  Speaker 3: Or tantric yoga.
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  Speaker 2: Tantric yoga. Well, I mean, well, if you two want
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  Speaker 2: to compete, if you two want to go there, I'll
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  Speaker 2: leave the room. I'll leave the room and I'll leave
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  Speaker 2: you in private if you want to have your little
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  Speaker 2: private moment together, David.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's too late in the night for that.
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  Speaker 2: It's too early in the night, baby, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had a drink yet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he hasn't had a drink yet.
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  Speaker 4: David's just eyeing off the exits now.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, I don't know what I've signed up for
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  Speaker 5: on the late debate. This is clearly not what I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I probably should get on with it before this
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  Speaker 2: spirals out of control already.
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  Speaker 5: Coming up tonight, classrooms in.
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  Speaker 2: Chaos as bullying, wagging and digital distractions are rife across
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  Speaker 2: the country. Should parents be held responsible? Victoria to name
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  Speaker 2: and shame dodgy tobacco shops. How about we cut the
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  Speaker 2: head off the snake and deal with the excise? And
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  Speaker 2: is it ever appropriate to take a work-related Zoom call
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  Speaker 2: on the toilet?
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  Speaker 5: I'm certainly worried about what my fellow male.
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  Speaker 2: Panellists might have to say about this one later on
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  Speaker 2: in the show. But first, the Prime Minister has teed
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  Speaker 2: off at the ABC over its reporting of his undeclared
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  Speaker 2: honorary membership to a golf club. Now, it's the same
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  Speaker 2: golf club in his electorate which was promised $ 6 million
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  Speaker 2: at the 2025 election through an invite-only scheme and which
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese has not declared. Now, I'd say Anthony Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: teed himself up for embarrassment. The PM has told the
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  Speaker 2: ABC to do better after it first reported the matter
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  Speaker 2: and he's tried to explain himself.
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  Speaker 3: Honorary membership, someone made a decision.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a card. For two years, membership is $ 5.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get him two years membership.
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  Speaker 2: For two years!
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  Speaker 5: $ 5.
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  Speaker 2: It's prompted this rebuke from National Senator Bridget McKenzie, who
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  Speaker 2: previously resigned over the sports rorts affair.
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  Speaker 6: I would hate to think that I am the last
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  Speaker 6: minister in this Westminster system to actually resign over a
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  Speaker 6: perceived conflict of interest and an upholding of the Ministerial
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  Speaker 6: Code of Conduct.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't it fascinating that Albo was more than happy
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  Speaker 2: to call for Bridget McKenzie to be sacked after she
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  Speaker 2: failed to declare her honorary membership of a gun club
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  Speaker 2: that received a $ 36, 000 grant. So, Jo, how can Albo
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  Speaker 2: say his golf membership is up to par?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it is.
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  Speaker 3: I like what you did there.
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  Speaker 4: But this is just I'd like to say storm in
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  Speaker 4: a teacup, but I'm trying to think of a better
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  Speaker 4: golfing metaphor. You know, maybe elbows been caught in the rough.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you'll have to drop a shot. But no, this
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  Speaker 4: is absolutely ridiculous. Again, I think this is the problem.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes the left backs itself into a corner by getting
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  Speaker 4: so outraged about something the libs do when the shoes
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  Speaker 4: on the other foot. And then, of course, it comes
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  Speaker 4: back to bite them in the ass. But this is
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  Speaker 4: absolutely ridiculous. Albo has had an association with this golf
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  Speaker 4: club for a bazillion years. I know the golf club
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  Speaker 4: really well because I live next to that golf course.
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  Speaker 4: It is the most working class, down-to-earth public golf course.
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  Speaker 4: I run my dog on it every single day. And
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  Speaker 4: the actual dogs have right of way ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Of the golfers.
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  Speaker 4: The golfers, part of the conditions of the golf course
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  Speaker 4: is remaining is that they have to let everyone on it,
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  Speaker 4: let the dogs on it at all times. It's a
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  Speaker 4: really nice community joint for just the worst hackers, people
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  Speaker 4: who are more likely to dig to the other side
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  Speaker 4: of the earth than to actually make par. And this
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  Speaker 4: big $ 6 million grant was actually in response, I believe,
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  Speaker 4: to efforts by the Greens to chop up Greens on
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  Speaker 4: Marrickville Council to take over the golf course, or the
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  Speaker 4: Inner West Council is now, take over the golf course
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  Speaker 4: and reduce it to just nine holes and turn the
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  Speaker 4: rest of it into some namby-pamby, hippy-trippy nature reserve. So
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  Speaker 4: he's using this money to fight the Greens, which is
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  Speaker 4: the most noble and pure cause on God's green earth.
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  Speaker 4: And I say $ 6 million is not enough.
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  Speaker 3: Make it $ 12. Get those hippies out of here. How's
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  Speaker 3: that for a defence? Well, good defence, Job.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I hope nobody tells my wife that you
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  Speaker 7: can join a golf club for five bucks because the.
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  Speaker 3: The fees that we've had to pay out of our
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  Speaker 3: house have been slightly more. Listen, I think this is petty.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's petty. And I always thought that Bridget
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  Speaker 3: was hardly done by as well. when she had to
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  Speaker 3: resign because.
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  Speaker 7: Politicians don't really get the option when it comes to
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  Speaker 7: constituents offering them honorary membership. I mean, I was an
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  Speaker 7: honorary member of the bowling club, the Catholic Church, the
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  Speaker 7: Salvation Army, you know, you name it, you're given it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but do any receive big grants?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they all give grants. And that's the problem.
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  Speaker 7: No, not $ 6 million, but they all give grants. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I used to have church leaders saying to me, please
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  Speaker 7: don't become a regular at our church conference. because we
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  Speaker 7: need a community-building partnership grant next year and we won't
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  Speaker 7: get it if we have to disclose that you're a parishioner.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they were. I appreciate the honesty.
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  Speaker 4: That's the Catholic church I know and love.
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  Speaker 3: Because, unlike Joe, nobody's welcoming back into their parishes. But
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  Speaker 3: the big... The failing here is the Prime Minister's electorate office.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 7: Because they would know, and I've been an electorate officer,
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  Speaker 7: and you're running around, particularly when your boss is a
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  Speaker 7: prominent politician. I was John Howard's electorate officer back in
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  Speaker 7: the day in the early 90s. And when he comes
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  Speaker 7: to the electorate, I used to run around making sure
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  Speaker 7: he didn't take envelopes from people and we disclosed exactly
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  Speaker 7: who people were when they wanted a photo with them.
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  Speaker 7: It is a pain in the gluteus maximus. But I
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  Speaker 7: think that Albo's electorate officers let him down here. I
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  Speaker 7: applaud him for being an honorary member of that golf
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  Speaker 7: club because that's what local members do. They embrace with
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  Speaker 7: the community groups that they're involved in. And I applaud
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  Speaker 7: him for getting money from his government for something in
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  Speaker 7: his electorate. When I was Minister for Emergency Services, there
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  Speaker 7: was not a scratch on any fire engine in my electorate.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a scratch.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the problem is, though, how does this not compare, though,
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to sports rules? I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese going back a couple of years ago, literally
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  Speaker 2: calling for Bridget McKenzie to stand down, to resign, and then,
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  Speaker 2: of course, she did resign in the end. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: age will. And it's aged very well, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that she made a very good point today because she's
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  Speaker 2: been made out to be this only person who's ever
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  Speaker 2: done something like this, of course hers was with the
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  Speaker 2: gun club, and I think.
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  Speaker 5: That she made a very fair point. So I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure how Anthony Albanese can come out and be like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, look, But that was the sequel.
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  Speaker 4: The original sports rort scandal was Ros Kelly and the Keating.
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  Speaker 3: Government in 1994, was it? Yes, she's too young.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't remember.
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  Speaker 7: But the greatest power in politics is the ability to
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  Speaker 7: say karma exists.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly. Because for Bridget... She.
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  Speaker 7: Doesn't care about our bag getting that $ 6 million because
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  Speaker 7: she knows it's going to happen when she's back in power.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 7: But she's able to stand up and say, you wrote
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  Speaker 7: the rules, boy, so now you have to cop this.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to own it.
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  Speaker 3: But he did today.
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  Speaker 5: He made a song and dance.
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  Speaker 2: And the funniest part is I had to laugh when
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  Speaker 2: he came out in criticism of the ABC when he said,
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  Speaker 2: do better. It was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek.
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  Speaker 4: Notoriously right-wing organisation going after our poor old Labor freedom
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  Speaker 4: yet again.
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  Speaker 2: That, to me, suggested that he thought he was going
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  Speaker 2: to get an easy run from the ABC. Ah, lining
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  Speaker 2: up to do his breakfast this morning, this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be easy for me to just, you know, say
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  Speaker 2: what I've got to say. So he did it a
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  Speaker 2: little bit tongue-in-cheek. But I did have to laugh at that.
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  Speaker 2: But it goes to show that he thought that he
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  Speaker 2: was above the criticism.
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  Speaker 5: And that is the problem with this Prime Minister. He
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  Speaker 5: always thinks he's above criticism.
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  Speaker 4: I think he did not even... I think he genuinely
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  Speaker 4: did not even know.
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  Speaker 3: Of course he did.
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  Speaker 4: I say this as though he would have no idea.
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  Speaker 4: I know a couple of the old guys at the
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  Speaker 4: golf club They would have said, you know, whenever it
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  Speaker 4: was 15 years ago, oh, we should make Albo an
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  Speaker 4: honorary member. Oh, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. And maybe
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  Speaker 4: they sent him a letter that he never received, that
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  Speaker 4: if Dave Elliott was his elected office.
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  Speaker 3: I bet he's.
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  Speaker 7: An honorary member of the RSL as well. Does that
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  Speaker 7: mean he can't get a grant for the War Memorial upgrade?
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  Speaker 7: Of course he's... He has to do it. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I would have thought, though, there's another Labor leader named
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  Speaker 7: Chris Minns who's thinking about Moor Park right now and thinking,
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  Speaker 7: I wish the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 4: Could get a stealth policy right. This is what you've
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  Speaker 4: got to understand about Marrickville. Marrickville Golf Course is a
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  Speaker 4: public golf course and it is the only one in
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  Speaker 4: Kooee that everyone from, you know, South Sydney and even
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  Speaker 4: the West can go to and... Everyone gets a go.
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  Speaker 4: It's got the most ramshackle sort of clubhouse. I heard
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  Speaker 4: someone call it the Royal Marrickville Golf Club.
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  Speaker 3: It's a joke.
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  Speaker 4: They call it the Royal and Ancient Marrickville Golf Club
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  Speaker 4: to take their piss out of St Andrews. because it's
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  Speaker 4: so kind of folksy and run down and part of
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  Speaker 4: the community. So it's not like Moorpark. And so it
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  Speaker 4: does actually need public funding. But I'm actually starting to
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  Speaker 4: feel bad. I think we've become too pro-albo on this show.
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  Speaker 4: I never thought I'd say it. Five years, 24, too pro-albo.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Joe, I mean, I'm not surprised by you,
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  Speaker 5: but David Elliott.
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  Speaker 7: Well, no, your local members, you've got to, I'd even defend,
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  Speaker 7: you know, a green on this sort of thing because
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  Speaker 7: you've got to stick together.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I fully support that. Now, David, you're a parent yourself,
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  Speaker 2: or you're both parents, but there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: in the classroom right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: This PISA report, now I have to clarify, that's the
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  Speaker 7: Program of International Student Assessment.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing untoward about the PISA report, which is... which
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  Speaker 3: has gone out. But, I mean, this.
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  Speaker 2: What's it telling us?
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  Speaker 3: This report is.
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  Speaker 7: Saying that the government mandate... Sorry, this is suggesting that
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  Speaker 7: the government mandate screen time because 41% of 15,000 Australian
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  Speaker 7: students that have been surveyed in this report are saying
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  Speaker 7: that they have been disrupted with noise and disorder during
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  Speaker 7: lessons and that... actually 30% more than the average across
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  Speaker 7: the industrialised world. I understand my very good friend Jason
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  Speaker 7: Clare has made some commentary about this, and we might
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  Speaker 7: be able to play his grab and hear that.
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  Speaker 1: I've said there's a good argument that our kids need
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  Speaker 1: a digital detox. The PISA results out today say the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. The more kids are online, the more their
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  Speaker 1: results decline. Now, it doesn't mean that there's no place
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  Speaker 1: for technology in our schools, but I think it does
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  Speaker 1: point to the need to wind it.
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  Speaker 4: Back a bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so well said, Jason.
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  Speaker 7: And you know that I'm chairman of the Liberal Friends
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  Speaker 7: of Jason Clare.
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  Speaker 3: He grew up down the road from me. He's the
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  Speaker 3: same age. He's a dad as well.
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  Speaker 7: And he'd know the effect that this is happening on
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  Speaker 7: kids in his electorate. So he's pretty much not just
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  Speaker 7: reflecting the views of the education ministry. He's reflecting the
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  Speaker 7: views of parents across the country. Now, I have a
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  Speaker 7: few concerns about this. How are they going to manage it?
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  Speaker 7: How is it going to be governed? How is it
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  Speaker 7: going to be implemented? And there's another question which I
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  Speaker 7: think was brought up in Paul Murray this evening as well.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, where do the parents take responsibilities for this? Because,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the amount of parents that I've seen and
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  Speaker 7: my wife works in a school and they kind of
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  Speaker 7: think that it's their right to outsource obligations or the
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  Speaker 7: responsibilities of their children's bad behaviour. And when somebody calls
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  Speaker 7: them up over it, it's somebody else's fault or my
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  Speaker 7: child would never do the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 3: This is a good policy. This is a good initiative.
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  Speaker 7: I understand that this report is putting Australian students in
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  Speaker 7: a bad light. But I also think that it should
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  Speaker 7: be seen as a wake-up call. I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 7: think that is a coincidence that bullying is so epidemic
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  Speaker 7: in this country, in schools today. And therefore, because it
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  Speaker 7: evolves into the workforce, it evolves into our institutions. I
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  Speaker 7: don't think it's a coincidence that we've seen the rise
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  Speaker 7: of online activity and the reliance on online opportunity at
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  Speaker 7: a time when we're also seeing an increase in disrespect
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  Speaker 7: and bullying.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why anybody would want to be a
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  Speaker 2: teacher right now in the classroom.
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  Speaker 5: No wonder there is a teacher shortage.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, you remember that they even
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  Speaker 2: tried to bring back principals. They wanted principals to come
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  Speaker 2: out of retirement and they did a whole campaign over it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why anybody would bother when you've got
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  Speaker 5: statistics like this.
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  Speaker 2: So they're saying chaotic classrooms, digital distractions... truancy, so wagging school,
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  Speaker 2: and bullying are now rife.
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  Speaker 5: And look at these statistics.
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  Speaker 2: So 41% report noise and disorder during lessons. One in
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  Speaker 2: three say classmates don't listen to teachers, and four in
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  Speaker 2: ten are distracted by phones and devices during lessons. And
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  Speaker 2: we have seen in the last couple of years the
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  Speaker 2: NAPLAN results are going down.
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  Speaker 5: Kids are not learning. They are completely distracted.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? I agree.
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  Speaker 5: It has got a lot to do with the parents.
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  Speaker 4: All of those figures are about 30% higher than the
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  Speaker 4: OECD average. So it's not like this is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: happening everywhere in the modern world. This is happening more
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  Speaker 4: here than it is in other countries. And you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: Who would want to be a teacher? And that is
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  Speaker 4: why you are having a worsening of the problem. And again,
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  Speaker 4: it is being addressed. And Jason Clare's done a great job.
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  Speaker 4: And we welcome David Elliott's upcoming membership of the Australian
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  Speaker 4: Labor Party. Only the New South Wales right, mind you.
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  Speaker 2: But, um.
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  Speaker 4: But he has done a lot to address this. And
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  Speaker 4: part of it, in fact, the very, very first thing
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  Speaker 4: that needs to be done and needed to be done,
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  Speaker 4: and the Daily Telegraph and News Corp, I'm very proud
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  Speaker 4: to say, did this, was launch a campaign and make
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  Speaker 4: sure that teachers are respected in the community. There was
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  Speaker 4: a horrible, like horrible as in really heartbreaking research done by,
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  Speaker 4: I think, Monash University, which said that the vast majority
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  Speaker 4: of teachers, something like 70% or something, it was just,
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. felt that teaching just wasn't respected
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  Speaker 4: in the community.
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  Speaker 3: As a profession.
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  Speaker 7: And it's not. My brother-in-law is a teacher and some
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  Speaker 7: of the stories that he... He's been a teacher for
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  Speaker 7: 35 years and some of the stories that he tells
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  Speaker 7: me horrify me because there's no way I would have
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  Speaker 7: been able to treat the teachers the way that he's treated...
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes he's treated. But we have to agree on a
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  Speaker 7: couple of things. The first one is there's no way
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  Speaker 7: the government's going to be able to mandate it.
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  Speaker 3: This is a silly idea of legislation. There's no way.
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  Speaker 7: But it is also silly introducing any type of policy
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  Speaker 7: which is going to say... We're going to restrict screen
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  Speaker 7: time at home but, by the way, when they go
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  Speaker 7: home and, you know, because the parents are both working
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  Speaker 7: or because mum's, you know, doing something different, it's an
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  Speaker 7: easy way of keeping the kids quiet. I hate going
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  Speaker 7: to restaurants and seeing kids on their phone.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 7: That is the rudest thing. It's banned from the table
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  Speaker 7: at our place. If there is a reason for the
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  Speaker 7: family to sit down at the dinner table at our place...
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  Speaker 7: the phones get banned. I don't understand. So if the teachers,
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  Speaker 7: if Justin Clee wants the teachers to introduce it, what
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  Speaker 7: is he going to do about the parents not backing
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  Speaker 7: the teachers up by having similar rules at home?
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  Speaker 4: This is the thing, and this is where that respect
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  Speaker 4: comes in, where you have to make sure. I, with
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  Speaker 4: my kids, and I'm hopeless with screens. They're on screens
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: all the time. We tell them no, no, no, and
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: eventually you either buckle or they grab it and steal
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: it and sneak it anyway. And they're so addictive. But
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: the most important thing is education. that teachers get backed
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: by parents and by the kids to be able to
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: enforce discipline, to be able to enforce, and there's going
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: to be some structure, you know, maybe less digital interaction
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: in classrooms as well, which would be a good thing.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: And that, yeah, when your kid does come home and said,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: I got in trouble for this today, you don't say, oh, well,
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: that's terrible.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: You know, you didn't do it, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: I say, even when I believe my kid didn't actually
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: do something, I say, mate, you still cop it? and
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: you still just listen to the teacher. Whatever punishment or
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: whatever the teacher says to you is absolute gospel. They
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: are God when you are.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: At the classroom. The problem is that there has been
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: some statistics lately, and I can't remember the statistics, but
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: of parents... There's been a rise in parents challenging teachers
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: and teachers have said that they feel threatened by parents because.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: They're literally waltzing into.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: The classrooms and saying, no, no, no, my child gets
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to do this, this and this. And again, no wonder
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: the kid is acting out because the kids are just
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: following exactly what mum and dad are doing.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Mum and dad are not leading by example.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: My parents backed the teachers.
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: I was guilty until proven innocent by the Supreme Court.
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: I was the only nine-year-old in the High Court because
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: I had to get a judgment made.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: In the end, teachers can enforce discipline in the classroom,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: but it is not their responsibility to enforce that discipline
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: outside of the classroom. It is up to mum, dad,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it's up to a guardian. Otherwise, God help us one
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: of these days when these kids are going to enter
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: the workforce and they're going to be entitled little brats
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: who can get their way and do whatever they want.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Of course, the real question is who enforces discipline in
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: a Zoom meeting?
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Because I'm sorry.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: To say we've got another Jeffrey Toobin, was it?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: This time, I think, slightly more accidental act. But an
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: elite lawyer has become the talk of the town, the
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: talk of the industry. when during a high-powered Zoom call,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: because lawyers only do high-powered Zoom calls.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: High-powered?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: He went to the toilet for, I'm sorry to say it,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: and forgot to turn his camera off. This is, I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: you only get these sort of stories at the Daily Mail,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: and full credit to them joining the media landscape, because
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: they are tackling the stuff that really gets Sydney talking.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Check out this footage of a guy took his laptop
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: to the toilet and then proceeded to, shall we say,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: get down to business.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: To reduce the budget is a bit counterproductive.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: We'll go around the room.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon?
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry, your screen's still on.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Oh, my God.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Like, obviously he thought his point was so vital to make.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Didn't want to lose the jury.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but is this not another example of why
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: people need to go back to the office? Is this
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: not another example why work from home no longer works?
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: That is sloppy.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's wrong.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: It's foul.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And the fact that this guy is meant to be intelligent,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: he's supposed to be a lawyer and he's gone to
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the toilet on a Zoom call.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Might need a lawyer after this.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Well, he might. It's just.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: This genuinely made you angry. Honestly, yes, it has because
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I think it's disgusting.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I would be appalled if I was on a Zoom
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: call and old mate's dropped his Dax and is sitting
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: on the toilet going, I just.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: OK, so what is the most outrageous thing you've ever
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: done on a Zoom call?
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't have. I conduct myself very well on
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Zoom calls.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not silly about it. Let's start at base level.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Let's establish a baseline. Would you drink a glass of
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: water during a Zoom call?
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Yes, I have drunk a.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Glass of water.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Would you eat something during a Zoom call?
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: No.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: No. No, I would not.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: So only liquids.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Only liquids only.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Nill by mouth.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You just wait.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: But the point is, go back to the office.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: What if you were on a Zoom call and you
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: really needed to go to the bathroom?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Would you?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You just hold. Deal with it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Suck it up.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: You're an adult. You know what I mean?
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Suck it up.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You're an adult.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: Well, you'd go to the toilet if you were in
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: a meeting. You'd just excuse yourself. I mean, can I
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: make a confession?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Would you say anything or would you just go on?
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Can I make a confession? I kind of done something.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Not that bad.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Oh, God.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Not that bad. But I did.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: We work from home on Mondays and we have a
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: big staff meeting. And in the summer I may or
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: may not go straight from the pool into my study
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: and may or may not have my Speedos still on.
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: Even though I'm dressed like this, like Paul Murray does
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: when he goes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And I did actually... stand up during a meeting once
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: and they all saw me in my Speedos. Yep. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it was pretty embarrassing. That's a shock.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: And the one guy in the office who obviously would
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: be inclined to make a.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Comment about it did. So it's a bit embarrassing. Having
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: said that, I've now learnt from my mistakes, Danika, and
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I don't so much as take a glass of... awarded
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to a Zoom meeting now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Was it a mistake or were you just giving the
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: people what they want? You've got to give the people
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: what they want. You and your budget smugglers. I have
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: been waiting for that footage. They seem to find footage
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: of me doing everything else these days.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I'm still waiting for the footage.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: What would you South Wales police minister, David Elliott, thought?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: What in his feet is?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: So my wife is just on, she's at one of
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: those organisations where all they do is have meetings and
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: when she's working from home, she's always on a Zoom
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: thing or another. She sits at my desk in my
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: sort of Okay, we're in the process of being separated. No,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: that's not true.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I have a bedroom.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: She has a bedroom. And she comes and sits at
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the desk in my bedroom. And the en suite in
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the bedroom is just behind the desk. So if I
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: want to go in to have a shower, so if
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: she's in a meeting or whatever and I come in,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she would kill me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: If she had throwing knives, I'd be dead. But I've
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: got to sort of slip in. Out of the view
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: of the camera, get into the shower, come back out again,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: again without doing it. And if I am one slipped.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Towel away from being national.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: But you can use it to the benefit of mankind
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: and for purist reasons. I mean, what I do whenever
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: I have meetings, I put all of my Winston Churchill
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: books behind me.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So everybody can see me. They can
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: see me.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: I wasn't the only, I wasn't the ugliest Tory politician
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: in the 21st century. And, of course, they can see
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: the purity of Sir Winston.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I tell you what, you two have got to
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: be careful, right? See, I knew that you blokes would
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: have something to say about this topic. I foreshadowed it
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: over in my introduction.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Not like there's been an online movement complaining about male behaviour.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Well, it's... Oh, good God. Seriously, honestly. Look, on that note...
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Just watch what you do on Zoom, really.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Monique is going to just take five minutes to.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I need a wet.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Towel or something on my face, Joe, after that discussion. OK,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: let's turn to serious matter now. We've got to talk
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: about Andrew Hastie versus One Nation. I'm sure you have
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: been watching News 24 all night and things are really
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: getting feisty when it comes to that One Nation cartoon.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: of course, where Andrew Hastie was called a traitor. Now,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: if you missed the interview, Pauline Hanson was on the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Kenny Report this evening and she defended her position.
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: Can you say clearly now that you do not believe Andrew.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Hastie is a traitor, you actually respect him as a veteran?
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Of course I do. Of course I do.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's a traitor and I've never called
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: him a traitor. And I have the highest regard... Very good.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: We've cleared that up.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I have the highest regard for people in the Defence
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Force and who have fought for and are prepared to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: put their lives on the line for this country. Well,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Andrew Hastie certainly wasn't doubling down on... He wasn't backing down, rather,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: on his commentary and his condemnation of One Nation. Here
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: he was on with Shari Markson.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: But I'm sure as hell not going to be called
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: a traitor... by someone else in the parliament and let
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: them get away with it. And I'm calling Pauline Hanson out.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: That's what I've done.
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: And she's shown herself to be weak in responding to
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: my comments.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: And just to put it into perspective, this was the
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: cartoon in question.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: And it's all my fault because I'm a stupid traitor.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: People, people, traitor, sellout, washed up, gutless maggot. Why is
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: everyone calling me a traitor then?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Because you are a traitor. Now, what I'll say about
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: this is that Andrew Hastie has been waiting for an opportunity,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I would say, to go after One Nation. It has
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: been bubbling under the surface for months. He is very
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: worried about his seat of canning over in Western Australia
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and One Nation have warned him that it's in play,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that they're ready to go after him and ready for that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: So it's been bubbling.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: He has made past criticisms of One Nation and this
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: really was the smoking gun, I think, for him to go, yep, bang,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go after the party now.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: That's no excuse for them calling a veteran a traitor
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: to his country.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, Joe, I don't think
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it was the right comments to use because I don't
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: think that he is a traitor to this country and
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I salute him for his service and I thank him
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: for his service to this country. However, I am not
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: entirely sure going this hard and this big on One
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Nation is going to be what is going to claw
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: back the conservative voters that have jumped ship from the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party over to One Nation.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: And I think that he is... I mean, he's entitled
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: to say and.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Do whatever he wants, but I think it's walking a very,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: very fine line right now. When you need voters to
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: come back to the Liberal Party, there is a reason
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: why they're going to One Nation, and this just pushes
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: them further out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: The second thing I would say.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in relation to Ben Robert Smith, and there's a lot
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of legal issues here, so I'm not going to go
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: into the legalities of it. But I know that, and
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I have been to many events myself where everyday Aussies
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: have come up to me and they have said how
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: disgusted they were at the treatment of Ben Robert Smith,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and they are so angered by it. And this isn't
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: just veterans. This is just everyday Aussies. And they're upset
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: about it. And I don't think that this situation has helped.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: No, and you're right, Danika, and it's nice to hear
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: you say those things. I mean, there is nothing more
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: insulting and nothing will create more anxiety in the life
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: of a veteran than to be called a traitor.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: My heart broke when I saw that cartoon.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: Some of those cartoons are really good and I get
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: what One Nation are trying to do. That was, even
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: by my low standards, that's offensive.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: That's offensive.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: That's offensive. I just wish Andrew hadn't have bitten back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I wish he would have called me and allowed me
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: to do it for him or he called.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Some of these mates. The fact of the matter is
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: I don't like how Ben Robert Smith's been treated either.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: But I also don't like the fact that the Labor
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: government has capped my auxiliary health. And I don't like
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: the fact that the Labor Party are going to sell
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Victoria Barracks. There's plenty of reasons for veterans not to
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: like the Labor Party at the moment. Andrew didn't need
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: to throw this spear at One Nation to galvanise support
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: amongst the veterans because he's got it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: They hate Labor at the moment.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: And I think that they're going to be looking at
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: people like Andrew Hastie and others in the parliament, particularly
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: in the coalition, that are decorated, not those that are
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: trying to write themselves into the script.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: And you know who I'm talking about.
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: So I think that we need to make sure that
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: Andrew knows that we've got his back.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: The veterans community has got his back. The Liberal Party
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: has got his back.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: He does not need to create a storm with One
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: Nation over this. He needs to get out there and
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: prove to everybody that he's the best candidate for canning.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: He is, as far as I'm concerned. He's probably going
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: to be the Prime Minister one day. He deserves to
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: lead the Liberal Party. I'm team hasty. Love him to death.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: Think he's fantastic.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: But please, let's not throw him under the bus because
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: he's got to give evidence. He's been subpoenaed. He's been subpoenaed.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: And I've just been subpoenaed as well to give evidence
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: against my party. So that's not because people are calling
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: me a traitor as well. And I got called a
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: saboteur the other day. You've got to get subpoenaed to
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: give evidence. You've got to do it. And you're not
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: doing yourself any favour by ignoring the fact that you've
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: been subpoenaed. Or somebody's been subpoenaed by calling them names
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: because they've got to do their jobs. Andrew would probably
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: go to jail if he didn't give that evidence.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: But also the idea that you're either Team Hastie or
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Team Robert Smith is though, you know, the internals of
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the Australian Army, some kind of like perverse football game.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hunger games. I agree.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I don't. think it was necessarily politically astute for Hastie
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to respond the way he did, but I don't think
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: this was a political decision. I think he was so
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: profoundly disgusted and personally hurt by what was, by any measure,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: a disgraceful, guttural attack that he just... And I've been
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: there myself where you're so amazed that someone would stoop
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: that low that you immediately just want to call it out.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: And do you know what the worst thing is?
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: And I can speak for the defence community.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: We have a great deal of authority here.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: I don't care if my fellow veterans take the mickey
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: at my service. They joke that I served my peacekeeping
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: deployment in the rear with the gear and the beer,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: and they're right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: However, I'm not going to cop it from some One
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: Nation cartoon driver who never put his foot in an
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: army boot.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to cop that, and I will call
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: I just think if Andrew's going to be an alternate
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: Prime Minister, which he is as far as I'm concerned,
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: he should have let other people do the kicking on
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: this one.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Do you think, Joe, that it's a bad look for
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Andrew Hastie to be going this hard now?
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a bad look, but, again, firstly,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I think One Nation are coming for his seat and
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: it's a bit rich for them to say, we're going
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: to take your seat off you, but if you dare
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: criticise us, we're going to say, oh, what are you
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: criticising us for? We're on the same side. You should
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: be criticising Labor. That's bollocks. They're trying to end his
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: political career and take from the Australian public someone who
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: could be a great future Prime Minister, as you said.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: So I think it's a bit rich to just kick
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the bejesus out of someone and make it clear you're
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: coming for their execution. And if they try to fight back,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you say, oh, I got a glass jaw. Oh, what
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: are you?
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So I don't buy that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I also don't buy that it wasn't Pauline Hanson or
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: One Nation that was actually saying it was just the
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: One Nation paid for and produced cartoon, Please Explain, where
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: they love to take all the credit for all the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: votes it brings in and all the support it brings in,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: but the minute there's something else, oh, no, it's nothing
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: to do with us.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: We didn't say it. That is their vehicle.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: That is their vessel. And, again, I just think for
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: someone who hasn't served, to call someone who has served
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: a traitor is the most reprehensible... thing you can do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: To call someone who was prepared to die for their
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: country a traitor to their country, even if it's some
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: stupid cartoon, even if, oh, no, just joking, I just
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: don't get how you can do that and then say, oh,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: we're the true Australian party.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: We're the truly patriotic party.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, though, that Pauline Hanson would lose support
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: over this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: No, because, and again, because there is so much one-eyed
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: fanatical support for her.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's being fanatical as such.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's just that people do support her policies
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and don't see the Liberal Party as giving them what
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: they want right now.
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to change her vote, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: I do think Andrew has to realise that giving her
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: oxygen is not doing him any favours. He could have just,
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: you know, you rise above it. And if you're going
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: to be a leader, you rise above it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I never did. because I don't want to be the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister.
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: But my appeal to him is, unfortunately, mate, you're going
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: to need to rise above it. Surround yourself with people
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: that are going to throw their rocks for you, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: you've got to rise above it. But I get it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to criticise him for going postal because
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: it's the most offensive thing for a veteran to hear
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: is having some biscuit-munching, cardigan-wearing bloody cartoonist, call him a traitor.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't go to Afghanistan.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: No.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: They didn't go to Afghanistan. They didn't do the stuff
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: that he had to do.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: No, that's a fair point.
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: And quite frankly, I mean, yes, I know Pauline has
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: said her positions and that's fine and Andrew's probably man enough.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: To accept it. But they really should apologise to him
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Because... And take it down. Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: So, from bullets to smokes to darts, and the illegal
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: cigarettes war that is going on across the country knows
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: no bounds. And we've seen, of course, the Victorian minister
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: highlight the fact that they're going to be toughening up
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: their powers when it comes to the powers that the
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: state's got available when it comes to the illicit tobacco trade.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Now, all power to them in doing that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: I wrote an editorial for The Daily Telegraph not long
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: ago saying that when I was counter-terrorism minister, I was
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: warned this was coming, but I was too scared of
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: left-wing media bashing me up to advocate for a drop
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: in the excise.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And guess what happened?
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: Ten years later, exactly what the big tobacco told me
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: was going to happen.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Has happened.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: You called it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they called it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: I just ignored it because I didn't want to be,
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: you know, accused of putting kids in dangerous situations. But,
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: you know, it is as plain as the nose on
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: your face. We have to get rid of this excise.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: So just for context, so this was the minister in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: charge of it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: His name is Enver Erdogan.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Erdogan.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Erdogan, he says.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: We're putting more inspectors on the ground, giving them stronger
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: powers and backing them to take action. So basically dodgy
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: tobacco shops will be shut down. They'll be publicly named
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and shamed under these new powers kicking in across Victoria
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: from today, actually. So inspectors can hit illegal operators with
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: immediate 90 day closure orders as they try and crack
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: down on this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Fantastic. I'm not disputing this. I think it's great.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: But the problem that we've got is we've got that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Labor refuses to cut this excise, right?
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Last week they put the excise up.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Now, you can understand, I mean, I'm not a smoker,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: but you can understand why people are going to the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: black market for their cigarettes when they can get it
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: at $ 15 a box.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Does nobody read history in the Australian Labor Party? It's
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: called prohibition.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: You know, Al Capone made his fortune on illicit alcohol
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: because they made it illegal as opposed to just taxing
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: the bejesus out of it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: And so people went elsewhere.
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: And this is exactly what is happening here in Australia
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: at the moment.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Well, it's easy to.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Walk into some shonky tobacconist, you know, and do it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that Labor has to... They're going to
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: have to do something, I think, with the excise because
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I think we are at crisis point at this point.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And wouldn't it leave the government better off anyway if
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: they did?
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Of course, when you've got your own.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Labor Premier in New South Wales, in the form of
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Chris Minns, saying, and, you know, the Labor Premiers on
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the right are starting to get pretty bolshy, ironically enough,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: by some of the poor decision-making in Canberra, saying this
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: is just not working, you know. And this is, again,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: it reminds me of the joke about the academics who
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: said that, oh, look, that's all very well in practice,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: but how does it work in theory? And so you've
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: got this sort of ideology that that big tobacco is
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: bad and therefore anything they say must be evil and
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: we must, and this is the same approach they had
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: to vapes as well, that we must, you know, must
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: therefore be evil and therefore we must just show how
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: much we disapprove of it and virtually signal our disapproval
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: of it by taxing it as much as we possibly
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: can with complete disregard to the actual practical results of that,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: even when those results are now not just warnings but
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: they are playing out in real time and you've got
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: premiers on your own side who have to deal with
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the enforcement side of things, saying this is absolutely ridiculous.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: And sensible police ministers like David who are saying, I
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: know this is happening, I know this is coming, but
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I can't do anything about it because I'll be eaten
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: alive by left-wing lovies who say, oh, he's just in
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the pocket of big tobacco. And the same thing as
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: people who try to advocate for vaping. If you are
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: addicted to something, you will find a way to get it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: And if you have to pay more for it, then
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: you will stop buying other things like food just.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: So you can get it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And if you can get it illegally for a cheaper price,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that is how you will do it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what they're doing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Certainly about 80% now apparently doing it. So something has
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: to be done, that's for sure. All right, we're going
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: to take a quick break. Coming up next, Victoria recording
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: 100 home burglaries and thefts every day. Just another day
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: in Victoria, isn't it? That's next.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Welcome back.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages, starting with
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the Australian headline, Migration Mally. This is madness. South Australian
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Premier Peter Malinowskis has launched an emphatic economic defence of
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: skilled migration, warning the nation's living standards and biggest industries
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: will be the victims if Anthony Albanese and Angus Taylor
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: join the madness of an immigration-cutting race to the bottom
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: that will never appease Pauline Hanson. In a landmark speech
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: at the Sydney Institute on Wednesday night, the Labor Premier
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: added his voice to a multi-state push, imploring the Prime
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Minister not to make sweeping cuts to visas or slash
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: international students. As Mr Albanese and Home Affairs Minister Tony
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Burke finalised the federal government's visa overhaul to lower net
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: overseas migration, Malinowskis warned against a race to the bottom
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: on immigration cuts.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: I completely disagree with this.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Migration, in my view, is an acute vote-driving issue in
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: this country, and to come out and say, no, don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: slash international students, no, sorry, we've got a problem with migration,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and it's not going down.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: But isn't the whole point is that it's not a
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: problem everywhere. It is in big cities like Sydney and Melbourne,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: which are overcrowded. But in places like South Australia, where Adelaide,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: you know, is trying to attract more investment, attract more workers,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: build more infrastructure, they need people to do it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: What about Aussies?
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel so... I mean, they're Aussies.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: No, as in, like, why can't we get local people
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to fill the jobs?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Because there's a labour shortage. There's a labour shortage. There's
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: a skills shortage. I feel so dirty because I agree
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: with Jo.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. Is this the end?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Is this the end?
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I knew this day would come.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Seriously, please don't call me back. Because Jo's right.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: No, no, but the reality is you're both right. But
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: Joe's point, if you go to Wagga, if you go
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: to Ballarat, if you go to Toowoomba, they're going to
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: tell you we need skills migrants. Our economy is suffering
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: because they don't have the engineers, they don't have the bricklayers,
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: they don't have... the plumbers, they don't have the school teachers.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: So they're saying, do not stop immigration here. And Malinaskis
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: is just saying exactly what every country mayor in the
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: country is saying. However, if you're in Western Sydney and
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: you're a Labor MP or a Liberal MP, for that matter,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: if you can find one, and you're saying, listen, we
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: need to make sure that we stop immigration because the
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: price of housing in the schools are at 150%, crime's
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: out of control. So I think what we need to
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: do is introduce a system where, and there's all sorts
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: of legal problems with this, but we have to introduce
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: a system which says, if you want to come to Australia,
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: and you've got a good character record and you've got
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: a qualification and you speak English and you're going to
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: make a net gain to this country, then you've got
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: to commit to going to Mildura for 10 years. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: we pray to God that the engineer that goes to
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: Dubbo for five years falls in love with a local girl,
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: they buy a little farm, they send their kids to
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: school and.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: That's... They do have that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: There is a category of visa.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. But those that go to Hay as
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: a water engineer....
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: Then just decide when they finish their three-year or their
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: two-year program, oh, we're going to Melbourne because that's where
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: the community is.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. You've got to stay there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: All right, let's take a look as well. Another story
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: on the front page.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Iran called to arms, raised with police before attack. Former
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen was warned by local Jewish leaders
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: of international escalation driven by Iran in a private plea
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: for increased police protection made soon before the Islamic Revolutionary
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Guard Corps orchestrated Adas Israel synagogue firebombing. A letter to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Ms Allen from Jewish Community Council of Victoria President Philip
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Zajac and Executive Council of Australian Jury President Daniel Aguian
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: suggests the Victorian government was alerted to the threat of
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: violence driven by Iran and its proxies almost 10 weeks
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: before the firebombing.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Look, seriously.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: Even now that she's gone, she still manages to stuff up.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: She still manages to stuff up. But we know, though,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that the Jewish community have been warning of attacks for ages,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: ever since October 7, ever since what happened at the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: steps of the Sydney Opera House, they have been warning
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: about this. And the fact that it's now been shown
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that leaders have sat on their hands is an absolute
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: blight on this country.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And, again, Jacinda Allen, I have to say, has... been
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: an absolute dead weight as Premier. She is from the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: myopic socialist left faction of the Labor Party that, again,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: sees everything through a sort of preordained ideology and therefore
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: cannot see what's happening in the real world right in
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: front of their very faces. And you can just, you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I can just picture the scene of Jewish leaders imploring
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: her to do something and.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Her just sort of catatonic... Just glassy glaze in response.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: But anyway, thank God she's gone. Benedict Carroll is doing
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: a great job. Going to get wiped out of the
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: next election, but going to give it a fighting chance.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Tell you what, an absolute cracker of a front page
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: on the Daily Telegraph and indeed other News Corp mastheads,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: including the Courier Mail. It's by our very own Shari Markson,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: who has come up with yet another blockbuster scoop. And,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: of course, this was, you might remember, there was a
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: big News 24 newscast Exclusive interview set up with the
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: hero of Bondi.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: But anyway, exclusive.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Hail Caesar.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Exclusive.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: The incredible untold story of cop who ended the Bondi massacre.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Caesar Barraza, the sharpshooting officer who took out one of
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the Bondi terrorists, had sprinted to the scene holding just
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: his Glock 17 handgun after hearing a colleague say on
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: the radio, I've been shot. Before being posted to Bondi,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: the devout Christian had prayed to be sent to whichever
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: station needed him most. How's that for divine intervention and
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: divine providence? So just another cracking scoop from Shari Marks
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: and obviously on the back of her new book on Bondi.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Well, the next time one of your lefty mates criticises
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: the New South Wales Police Force, I want you to
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: refer them to.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: This particular individual. This is why I love cops.
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: This is why I love the New South Wales Police
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Force and I love police anywhere in the country. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: if you're watching tonight, you know, thank you for your service,
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: is just absolutely magnificent. We have people in this society
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: that are prepared to put their life at risk, lay
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: it down. And, of course, his religious convictions are probably
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: what have inspired him. But I think that hopefully Mal
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: Lanyon is going to read that article tomorrow and make
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: sure that the Commissioner gives him a commendation, if not.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: A bravery award.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: So back to Victoria and your friend Jacinta and the
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: Victorian Labor Government. They've actually won an award today because
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: they can boast that now 100.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Times a day there is a robbery.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: 100 robberies a day in Victoria. Congratulations to the Victorian government.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: You've made an absolute mockery of law and order policy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: And if you need an excuse to vote Liberal in
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: Victoria at the next state election in November, well, then
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: you've got one right here and right now. Now, I mean,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: I don't know what's going on down there. Is it
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: the economy that's driving this? Is it the lack of
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: sentences that are driving this? Is it the fact that
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: the police are too busy trying to protect minority groups
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: that have been asking.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: For protection for a decade. I don't know. All of
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the above.
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: But there is one vocation in Victoria that doesn't have
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: a shortage, and that's robber.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Well, good point. Let's quickly look at the Cairns Post
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: before we go to a break. Acts looms over visas. Tourism,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: hospitality and farming leaders have sounded the alarm over any
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: move to cut working holiday maker visas, warning the region's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: workforce that economy would take a major hit. Concerns have
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: grown amid reports the federal government is considering reducing visa
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: validity and limiting extensions, while slower processing is already affecting arrivals.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Tourism leaders say holiday workers are crucial, not only as staff,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: but visitors who spend throughout the region. Look, I mean,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: backpacker tourism is massive out in the region and it
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: is so vital.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: They help pick fruit and.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: They help put food on all of our tables, so
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: certainly an important one out there. All right, coming up
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: after the break, a seal line has pulled off the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: ultimate salmon heist and you've got to see the faces.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Of these stunned fishermen.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: That's next. Welcome back. A sad day.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: David Blanche Dalpuge has passed away.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so the former Prime Minister's second wife, and this
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: love story reminded me something like, you know, Charles and Camilla.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: You know, so Charles marries Diana because it's the right
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: thing to do and Bob married Hazel because he thought
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: that this was an appropriate first lady for Australia, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: his real love was Blanche, like Charles' first real love
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: was was Camilla. And so, I mean, you wouldn't want
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: to make too many other comparisons, I suppose, between the
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: two marriages. But, you know, Blanche, she was an accomplished
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: writer in her own right. I met them both at
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: a reception once at Australia House in London for the
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: anniversary of the Australia Act.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: And she was charming.
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, I still don't know what she saw in
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: him because he was always a bit gruff and tough. But,
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: you know, it is a loss for us. I mean,
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: it's a loss whenever there's a, Whenever there's somebody that's
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: at that level of society that has made a contribution,
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: it's a loss. There'll be people out there in the
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: right wing saying that, you know, we shouldn't be mourning her,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: but I think that she's... I think they.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Made a beautiful couple.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: He was clearly very happy with her. Yeah, I think
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: it's really lovely. I knew some of them a little
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: bit and met them a couple of times, but I
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: knew Hazel's daughters as well, especially Sue, and I spent
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: a bit of time at her house, but they were
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: completely reconciled. There was no bad blood between them and Blanche.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: And I think it's lovely that she wasn't, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: she was no longer regarded as the sort of, you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: the scarlet woman and that she was respected as someone
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: who was very intelligent. I mean, her writing is really, really,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: really good writer and very whip smart, very funny.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: So it is a real loss.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Now, someone who is very much still with us is
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: the driver of of this Porsche. They were at a
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: California raceway with an infamous section of the track called
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: the corkscrew. That is not something you want to go
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: into lightly, I would imagine. And just check out this
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: phenomenal footage when the Porsche experiences words you don't really
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: want to be associated with a Porsche, brake failure.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: That is just bonkers. But just so fast. It's just
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: like over in four seconds. Let's have a look again.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: Here we go in slow-mo. Wow.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: And, you know, he survived.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: And he survived.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And he survived, everybody. Just FYI, he survived. That's right.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But that is... That is frightening.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Do you know what that tells me, Danica? The system works.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: The system.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a fair call. The system works.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: But would you give it a go? You wouldn't go whoosh. No,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I once got driven around a racetrack in a sports
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: car that was used in a James Bond film. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: I think it just went over 200 and I was
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: just terrified.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: You'd have to have a lot of trust in the driver.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't trust anybody.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Now, look, I know you both are keen fishermen, aren't you?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Both keen fishermen. So I've got this vision to show you.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: This is a sea lion which stole, which really made
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the ultimate salmon heist. And judging by the fishermen's faces.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I don't think they were very happy about it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: You guys caught that right now?
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: That is nice.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: We're swimming an hour.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, no!
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, no!
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: He took his salmon.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Took his salmon. I mean, the mouth was on the floor.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: They were big salmon pieces as well. They were meaty, juicy,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: ready to be eaten.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: The one that got away.
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's... You can't... You know, you can take
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: street cred for that because at least it got on footage, but.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: That's heartbreaking.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: As fishermen?
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: If you've landed a catch like that. Well, look, as
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: a journo, I'm always looking for an angle.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: Oh!
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You've been waiting all night to rip that one out.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: The last 59 minutes have just been for that incredibly
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: lame pun.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: For that moment. I just love their faces.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, no!
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Well, they're American, so it takes a while for sort
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: of the.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: Oh, no!
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: All right. We've got to go.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Joe and David, a pleasure to be on with you.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Thank you to you at home
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: for watching. Coming up next, it's the Rita Panahy show.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Good night.