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55KRC Wednesday Morning Show with Brian Thomas - 10/7/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 2: Danny Gleason, cutting it off at the right moment in time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Danny, for reminding the FCC compliance rules. Yes, indeed,
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  Speaker 2: that song is, well, filled with profanities. It's the message
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  Speaker 2: in the song that I selected it as kind of
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  Speaker 2: my theme song. Anyway, very happy Wednesday to you. Brian
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  Speaker 2: Thomas here, host of the 55KRC Morning Show. Joe Strucker
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  Speaker 2: is still on vacation, still staring at the back of
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  Speaker 2: his eyelids, hopefully right now, and enjoying himself in the
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  Speaker 2: sunny climes of Florida.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Danny Gleason covering for him, and I appreciate that. Nice
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  Speaker 2: having Russ in for a couple of days. I find
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  Speaker 2: great comfort with Danny at the board, and I find
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  Speaker 2: great comfort with phone calls, particularly given that I overslept
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  Speaker 2: this morning. I can count on one hand the number
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  Speaker 2: of times I overslept. My alarm goes off. You too, Danny?
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  Speaker 2: Did you oversleep today? Oh, okay, but two Saturdays ago
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it never happens.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Cause the alarm goes off and you're like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: got to go to work cause he microphone's going to
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  Speaker 2: go on at five Oh five. And if I'm the
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  Speaker 2: right two 30, my backup alarm goes off at two
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  Speaker 2: 40 and I woke up at 20 minutes after three.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I know Danny, I alarm bells in my head.
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  Speaker 2: And of course the mad dash to get into the
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  Speaker 2: shower and shave and do everything I did and then
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  Speaker 2: get up the road. Fortunately, I'm less than 10 miles
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  Speaker 2: away from work and I, uh, well, An empty expressway
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  Speaker 2: is a good thing. I-71 South at 3 o'clock in
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  Speaker 2: the morning, roughly. Of course, later than that this morning. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: nobody's on the road. What kills? Does speed kill?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Speed differential kills. Contemplate that. Anyway, coming to the 55
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  Speaker 2: KRC morning. See, I'm using up time. If you haven't noticed.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to find a subject matter to talk about now, seriously.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Atherton is coming up at 7.05. I love talking
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  Speaker 2: to Jack Atherton. Just brilliant. He always is brilliant. Tying
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  Speaker 2: history in with modern events. He'll join the program at 7.05,
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of the norm of late, and I
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  Speaker 2: just love it. The big picture with Jack Atherton. Donovan
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  Speaker 2: and Neil, Americans for Prosperity, every Wednesday, 7.30. We've got
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  Speaker 2: Senior Advisor for AFP Action Ohio. Of course, get out
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  Speaker 2: and vote. There's some interesting, you know, one of the
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  Speaker 2: things I did want to bring up, this backpedaling that's
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  Speaker 2: going on. I'll talk about that in just a second, but, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, remember, remember woke and then, and then the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats who embrace this sort of member woke one and
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  Speaker 2: AOC comes out. Oh, we were just kidding. That was
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  Speaker 2: then this is now we're different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're backpedaling on some other things too. Why would Democrats
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  Speaker 2: backpedal over something that they really embrace? Like men can
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  Speaker 2: be women momentary. Get that in a second. Anyway, AFP
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  Speaker 2: Action Night, we've got to get out and vote. Tom Zawistowski,
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  Speaker 2: We the People Convention, was on a tear about that yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: If you're interested in podcasts, I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: site was updated. Russ was having some problems with that.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Strucker keeps the website updated, including the podcast page.
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  Speaker 2: But Tom Zawistowski on fire over the need for you
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  Speaker 2: to get up and vote and do it like your
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  Speaker 2: life depends on it. Polls are open. Get out there
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  Speaker 2: and get cast early or show up on election day. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: Steve Belzo, Claremont County veteran services. He'll be in studio
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Claremont County veteran services. They're great. Uh, I love the
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  Speaker 2: veteran service committee offices and what they do for the
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  Speaker 2: American veterans. Kind of just making things easy for you.
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  Speaker 2: There are tons of resources out there. Steve and the
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  Speaker 2: Claremont County veterans helping the Claremont County veterans get everything
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  Speaker 2: that they're entitled to. You earned it, you work for it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not going to take away anything from any
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  Speaker 2: other veteran. So what else is coming up? Bob Drury.
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  Speaker 2: The book, The Phantom. He's going to join the program
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  Speaker 2: at 8.05. I've got a copy of that book right here.
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  Speaker 2: The Untold Story of the American Marine the Nazis Could
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  Speaker 2: Not Kill. Now, does that not sound like a cool story? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right after Steve Belzo, he'll join the program at 8.05.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about it. Plus, Judge Anna Napolitano. In an interesting
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  Speaker 2: article from Napolitano, the.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecutor's dilemma. Now, this involves that Cornell University fraternity
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  Speaker 2: member rape allegations that are going on. The prosecutors previously
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  Speaker 2: passed up the opportunity to go after this group. And
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  Speaker 2: the point of Judge Ana Napolitano's analysis is that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as a prosecutor, you do not respond to public outrage.
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  Speaker 2: Because what we have going on here, if you, well.
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  Speaker 2: On the face of it, public outrage, of course, is
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  Speaker 2: justified given the allegations that have been levied in the press.
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  Speaker 2: But the victim's claims have changed dramatically from early on
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  Speaker 2: where she didn't claim she was raped. She claimed it
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  Speaker 2: was consensual and then evolved over time to where she
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  Speaker 2: outright says, I was raped. Public goes crazy. Oh, my God,
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  Speaker 2: these evil fraternity members. We all know fraternities are evil, right?
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  Speaker 2: You got the memo on that one?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. We need to get rid of them. Whatever. White
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  Speaker 2: supremacy or something.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed my time in the fraternity, and I love
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  Speaker 2: the friendships that I made and that I continue to
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  Speaker 2: have to this very day. Anyway, but the prosecutor's job
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  Speaker 2: is to convict with proof beyond a reasonable doubt. You
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  Speaker 2: have to have beyond a reasonable doubt. And if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the allegations, you look at the facts and
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  Speaker 2: the information that, of course, the defense attorneys are going
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  Speaker 2: to bring up and all the changing narrative and everything else,
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  Speaker 2: you got an obligation to evaluate it. You can't just
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  Speaker 2: go to court and randomly accuse someone of a crime
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  Speaker 2: knowing or at least believing in your mind there isn't
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  Speaker 2: proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Well, that's the argument that
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  Speaker 2: he makes in his opinion piece. You have to understand
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  Speaker 2: what the prosecutor's obligations are under the law and the
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  Speaker 2: obviously very heavy burden or heavy hurdle that you've got
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  Speaker 2: to meet in prosecuting a case. And if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: as a prosecutor, think you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt,
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  Speaker 2: then you are under the Constitution not supposed to file
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  Speaker 2: a criminal case against someone. So is that swirling and
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  Speaker 2: festering behind the scenes?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We all thought Tawana Brawley was raped by a gang
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  Speaker 2: of people and all that. While it did make Al
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  Speaker 2: Sharpton's career and made him a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money by making the charges, we all know what
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  Speaker 2: happened after that. It wasn't true. I'm not saying one
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  Speaker 2: way or another. I try not to follow these cases intentionally.
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  Speaker 2: But Napolitano on that at 830-513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK. Pound 550 on
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  Speaker 2: AT & T phones. Please, dear God, give me a call.
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  Speaker 2: Keep me on track here. Now, here's what I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about backpedaling. Remember woke one? Oh, we were just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: We were just kidding. Do you think men can be women? No,
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  Speaker 2: the answer is no. No, you don't. And if you do,
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  Speaker 2: call me up and tell me how it is. Look down.
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  Speaker 2: What do you got going on down there? Or was
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  Speaker 2: it artificially removed or something? Anyway, Democratic candidates, and apparently
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  Speaker 2: there's some competitive house races out there. Now they are backpedaling.
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  Speaker 2: Willing to buck the party's ideas of protecting girls in sports.
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  Speaker 2: Title IX. Created because women need their own separate space
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  Speaker 2: to compete with men. Okay, fine. Why are you letting
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  Speaker 2: men into women's sports? Representative Marcy Kaptur here in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently polling, and I know what we feel about polls.
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  Speaker 2: Trust me. but described as pulling neck and neck with
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  Speaker 2: Derek Marin. She said in a recent ad, quote, I
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  Speaker 2: voted with Republicans. A Democrat said this out loud here
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  Speaker 2: in Ohio. Ohio obviously is traditionally a red state. I
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  Speaker 2: guess that doesn't get her in hot water because any
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  Speaker 2: other Democratic candidate out in the world of blue states
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  Speaker 2: have said something like I voted with Republicans. Fill in
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  Speaker 2: the blank or whatever the issue is would be immediately ostracized.
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  Speaker 2: But here we go. I voted with Republicans to keep
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  Speaker 2: transgender ideology out of our schools because parents know what's
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  Speaker 2: best for their kids, and boys should not play in girls' sports.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But when I read that, what are these loony leftists claiming?
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  Speaker 2: Boys should not play in girls' sports. Is she not
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  Speaker 2: defaulting to traditional norms about gender ideology?
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 2: Well, under the leftist theory, boys should not play in
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  Speaker 2: girls sports. If that boy claims to be a girl,
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  Speaker 2: then that sentence doesn't apply then. This is how bad
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  Speaker 2: crap insane we have become in this world. Well, at
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  Speaker 2: least here, at least among some of the left wingers.
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  Speaker 2: And the ideology is just repeated over and over again
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  Speaker 2: to the point where you kind of feel like Am
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  Speaker 2: I a lone voice in the wilderness where I don't
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  Speaker 2: really truly believe that a man can be a woman? Well,
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  Speaker 2: of course, I would like to think my listening audience
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  Speaker 2: has never fallen into that camp. I know I haven't,
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  Speaker 2: but you know that message is out there. The idea
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  Speaker 2: that this is still an issue, that this hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: chucked out as bat crap insanity. People are still talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. And she's just one Marcy captor. Representative Don Davis,
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  Speaker 2: apparently also in a tough reelection rate, voted quote unquote present.
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  Speaker 2: on legislation to keep men out of women's sports. See
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  Speaker 2: what they have done by way of voting record. And
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  Speaker 2: this is what Tom's I was to ask you. And
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  Speaker 2: this is what, you know, Donovan will tell you if
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  Speaker 2: you're voting for a Democrat, you're voting for leftist ideology.
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  Speaker 2: Now captors voting record in the house shows that she
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  Speaker 2: does not believe what she said. She opposed along with
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  Speaker 2: 205 other members of her caucus last year, the protection
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  Speaker 2: of women and girls sports act, which would ban schools
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  Speaker 2: from letting biological males compete in female sports. So today
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  Speaker 2: she says that shouldn't happen, but her voting record suggests otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: This is why you're voting for far left wild bat
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  Speaker 2: crap insanity if you're voting for any Democrat. This is
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  Speaker 2: what they do. Don Davis, same thing. States in an
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  Speaker 2: ad for his campaign that there should always be a
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  Speaker 2: safe and fair space for women and girls in sports. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm asking for the follow-up question. Well, what's your definition
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  Speaker 2: of a woman? See, we can back ourselves into that now,
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  Speaker 2: can't we? You're a Supreme Court justice candidate. I believe
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  Speaker 2: it was, or a judicial candidate anyway. I can't answer
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  Speaker 2: that question. I'm not a doctor. What is a woman?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: You don't even have your own subjective personal opinion, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's not medically based? Right, okay. Don Davis, Democrat
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  Speaker 2: in North Carolina, said in an ad, fair competition was
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  Speaker 2: at the heart of those games. But let's be honest,
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  Speaker 2: there's real concerns about fairness and safety. That's why I
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  Speaker 2: believe states should decide what right for protecting women and girls,
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  Speaker 2: and North Carolina has decided. States should decide. So, in Illinois,
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  Speaker 2: or New York, or California... They decide that if you
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  Speaker 2: merely make a declaration that I am a woman, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a biological male, of course, the chromosomal reality is
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  Speaker 2: well documented. Then they have decided that that is a
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  Speaker 2: legitimate determination and that that person, previously a man from
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  Speaker 2: a chromosomal reality, is now a woman. This is his argument.
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  Speaker 2: States should decide. Should states decide this issue?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't something that is even subject to a discussion.
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  Speaker 2: Double X and X and Y. Open and shut.
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  Speaker 7: Period.
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  Speaker 2: End of story. Now, the libertarian in me can say, well,
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  Speaker 2: we all can decide whether that person can live their
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  Speaker 2: life as a man or a woman. It's in their head, right?
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  Speaker 2: We can't change that necessarily, although some suggest, and it's
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  Speaker 2: well documented, that going to counseling and working through this
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  Speaker 2: is the best solution for this, as opposed to lopping
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  Speaker 2: off bits of your body or sewing bits of body on.
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  Speaker 2: We are here, folks. This is where we find ourselves today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still baffled that this is a discussion point. This
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  Speaker 2: is a campaign issue. Early voting's open. Vote like your
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  Speaker 2: life depends on it. 519-55-KRC-D Talk Station. Do not go away.
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  Speaker 2: Got plenty to talk about. I would love to hear
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  Speaker 2: from you. If you've got a comment. 522-55-KRC-D Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: No calls on the call screen. That's okay. Listen to
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  Speaker 2: Lunch Day today, Jim and Jack's on the river. I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Thank you, Danny. Okay, here's another
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Just springing from that part. Who made these
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  Speaker 2: things an issue? You're going to the ballot. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to vote.
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  Speaker 1: Dear God.
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  Speaker 2: Representative Don Davis, North Carolina, in an ad for his campaign, quote,
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  Speaker 2: there should always be a safe and fair space for
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  Speaker 2: women and girls in sports. A statement that he could
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  Speaker 2: backpedal on later because, well, if a man declares himself
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  Speaker 2: to be a woman, then he's a woman. So my
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  Speaker 2: statement is I think there should be a safe space
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  Speaker 2: for that transgender woman, that guy who claims he's a
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  Speaker 2: woman who is, in fact, a woman. Now that the
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  Speaker 2: declaration's been made, he falls in line with that statement.
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  Speaker 2: So moving away from that, though, here's another one. Sarah
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  Speaker 2: Trone Garriott, described as an Iowa State Senator running for U.S.
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  Speaker 2: House against Representative Zach Nunn, she's a Democrat, claimed, quote,
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  Speaker 2: I oppose letting men in women's locker rooms and voted,
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  Speaker 2: this is the one I'm clinging to here, and voted
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  Speaker 2: to let parents, not politicians, make decisions for their kids. Now,
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  Speaker 2: She said that out loud in a campaign ad. At
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  Speaker 2: what point in our lives did the concept of letting
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  Speaker 2: politicians and not parents make decisions for their kids, that
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  Speaker 2: that is even a subject of discussion? Who is trying
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  Speaker 2: to make decisions for you? If your parents out there,
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  Speaker 2: I'm speaking to you on this rhetorically, asking the rhetorical question.
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  Speaker 2: It flies in the face of my morals and ethics
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  Speaker 2: and my political beliefs and my beliefs that I trust
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  Speaker 2: you with your own decision-making, all of that. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little libertarian. But, you know, come on. Who
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  Speaker 2: is making decisions for your children? Who is trying to
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  Speaker 2: do that? This is just one little slice of control
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  Speaker 2: that the Democrats are using to get into your lives,
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  Speaker 2: to mess with the heads of your children. That's a
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  Speaker 2: campaign issue. And it's brought to you by the leftist,
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  Speaker 2: the bat crap insane. I think I've said that once
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  Speaker 2: or twice in this hour. The bat crap insanity coming
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  Speaker 2: from the Democrat side of the political ledger. That's why
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  Speaker 2: you need to go out and vote. 525-55-KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Listener Lunch. Today, Jim and Jack's on the river. Last
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  Speaker 2: one before the election. Looking forward to that. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK,
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  Speaker 2: pound 550 on AT & T phones. Quick check of 55KRC. iheart. com.
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  Speaker 2: What do we got? Sparsely updated website. See, when Joe
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  Speaker 2: Strecker's not here, that's what happens. So I had Dr.
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  Speaker 2: J on yesterday. There is a link to, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: the entire program yesterday as one link. Normally, it's broken
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  Speaker 2: down into segments, but this is what happens when Strecker
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  Speaker 2: is gone. But it's still there, and you can stream
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  Speaker 2: the audio directly from the website, or you can get
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  Speaker 2: your iHeartMedia app and listen wherever you happen to be,
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  Speaker 2: like Tom does, who hasn't called in the last several
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  Speaker 2: days because he's on vacation. Good morning, Tom, this here
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  Speaker 2: and from you. Go to the local stories, what we
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  Speaker 2: got here, Green Township. I was going to put this
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  Speaker 2: in the stack of stupid this morning. We'll go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and do an early one right now. Intoxicated man, drunk,
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  Speaker 2: or on some substance. Anyway, called in a fake bomb
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  Speaker 2: threat to 911 because he, quote, Let's see, where's my quote?
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding you. Anyway, 24-year-old Chris Walker, Hamilton, charged with
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  Speaker 2: one misdemeanor, kind of making a false alarm, scheduled to
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  Speaker 2: make his first court appearance the other day. He called
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  Speaker 2: in a fake bomb threat to ruin his mother's night.
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  Speaker 2: That's the quote I was looking for. Got to think
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  Speaker 2: about his mom. Happened September 21st on Eagles Lake Drive.
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  Speaker 2: Called 911 from his cell phone, told Butler County Dispatch
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  Speaker 2: that his friend's mom was going to set off a
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  Speaker 2: bomb in her apartment. Call transferred to Hamilton County 911 Center.
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  Speaker 2: Green Township Police and fire crews set to the apartment and, well,
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  Speaker 2: while they were trying to make entry, Walker's mom called
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  Speaker 2: 911 saying she believed he was trying to enter her apartment.
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  Speaker 2: According to the sworn statement, told police that When they arrived,
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  Speaker 2: she believed Walker made the bomb report because of ongoing
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  Speaker 2: issues between the two of them. Just walk away?
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Aggravated murder investigation underway following the death of an inmate
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  Speaker 2: at Lebanon Correctional Institute. After an alleged altercation with a cellmate,
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State Highway Patrol report on this. When investigators identified
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  Speaker 2: the inmate as Maurice Vinson, who's 29, he'd been arrested
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  Speaker 2: in Summit County in July in a parole violation. According
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  Speaker 2: to the incident summary provided in this particular case to
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  Speaker 2: WCPO 1099, Vinson suffered serious injuries during a fight between
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  Speaker 2: two cellmates on the morning of October 3rd, taken to
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  Speaker 2: Atrium Medical Center, later died from his injuries. Vincent's death
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  Speaker 2: marks another inmate fatality at Warren County Prison within the
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  Speaker 2: past year. Back in 2025, November, inmate LaSalle Allen died
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  Speaker 2: after suffering severe injuries and an altercation with his cellmate,
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  Speaker 2: former corrections officer and former nurse facing charges for their
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  Speaker 2: alleged actions in the moments leading up to allen's death
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: chazitti robinson described as an advocate whose work with families
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: affected by the inmate Spoken on behalf of Allen Stanley said, Vincent,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: death raises additional concerns about the safety and accountability inside
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the correction facilities. And we have to make sure that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: accountability is falling on both sides of the equation so
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that we can eliminate these problems so that people can
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: serve their time. Warren County Coroner's Office said a full
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: autopsy report is expected to take approximately eight weeks. Both
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the Coroner's Office and Warren County Prosecutor's Office declined further
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: comment because of the ongoing nature of the investigation. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: they're packing it in over a Pierce Township had a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: meeting regarding data centers, and people are pulling their hairs out.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Just remember, you are victims of a lot of propaganda
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: with regard to the data centers. More than 100 Pierce
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Township and Claremont County residents showed up at the zoning
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: meeting last night to discuss this data center issue. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: zoning board said, though, there are no current discussions with
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: data center companies, and no applications have been submitted to
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the township. Apparently, according to officials, the meeting was focused
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: on planning for the future. And yet, residents there are
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: talking about the data centers. We're all very, very concerned,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: not for the environment, not only for energy use, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: also because that site is very close to our homes.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I guess they're talking about the Beckjord Power Station. That
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: was closed back in 2014, allegedly because of environmental concerns.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Think about global warming. Some residents say they
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: believe that area is the, well, location of a future
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: data center. They speculate on this. But I think it
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: was pointed out, zoning officials, zoning commissioners taking the time
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to develop regulations for our zoning code so that when
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: there is an application for a data center, we will
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: have regulations in place and certain requirements and restrictions in place.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That's kind of the Vivek Ramaswamy idea of dealing with
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: data centers. Look, we'll love to have you come into
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood if you bring your power. If you, well,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: build where you're welcome to build. If you build maybe
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: in a rural area in a piece of farmland that's
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: not being used for farming anymore. In other words, get
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: ahead of the problems, address the environmental concerns and the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: energy concerns up front, and then we can all have
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a seat at the table and enjoy the tax revenue
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: generated from not only the construction of those places, but
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the ongoing employment and the revenue generated from those places.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: It's just typical capitalism.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Stick around.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Got a stack of stupid coming up. 541 at 55KRC
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  Speaker 2: a comment or two, want to talk, shoot the breeze.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Or just listen to the stack of stupid. You know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I miss Joe Strecker preparing the stack of stupid. I've
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: got to go out in the world and find it myself.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I thought this was particularly stupid just given the litany
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: of charges this woman is facing. And, of course, we
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: go to Florida where we quite often go in the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: stack of stupid. Specifically, Broward County where a woman who
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: stole a Broward County Sheriff's Office vehicle and drove 100
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: miles away, two counties away before being finally taken into custody.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: 9 p.m. last week, Broward County Regional Communications was notified
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that A marked Broward County Sheriff's Office vehicle stolen from
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the public parking lot in Fort Lauderdale. Florida Highway Patrol
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: lended its hand, along with the Port St. Lucie Police
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Department and the St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office. The stolen
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: vehicle found abandoned in Gatlin Boulevard off-ramp, 100 miles away
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: from where it was stolen. Deputies said the woman they
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: saw in the area was wearing an outlier ballistic vest
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: displaying the Broward County Sheriff's Office insignia. Hey, that's the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: woman who stole the car. It was easy to figure
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that one out. The woman identified as Shannon Marie Dillon,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: 42 years old, of Fort Lauderdale. Here you go.
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: You ready?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Here's the charges. Grand theft of law enforcement from an
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: authorized emergency vehicle. Fraud slash impersonation involving unlawful use of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: police badge or law enforcement vehicle. Fraud slash impersonation with
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: intent to unlawfully possess four or fewer identification documents. Yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I know. Excuse me. Possession and or use of drug paraphernalia.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Possession of a weapon or ammunition by a convicted felon.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Driving while a license is suspended. Revoked or otherwise invalid
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: resisting or obstructing an officer without violence. And a partridge
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: in a pear tree. $ 5, 200 bond. Of course, obviously not
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: here in Hamilton County, Ohio, where she would have been
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: let out with no bond and given a glass of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: juice and a cookie. 39-year-old man indicted by a federal
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: grand jury. This is Columbus, Ohio. Nine counts related to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the death of a teenage girl. Point being, he met
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: her online. What are your children doing right now? January 6th,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: parents of a 17-year-old Haley Busby found their daughter missing.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Reportedly left a note saying she had run away and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: to not look for her. Took her phone into the
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: belonging age. No Amber Alert was issued because it was
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: believed that she had run away from home. On January 19th,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: she was classified as an endangered missing juvenile. 39-year-old Tyler
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Thomas turned himself in in late January. According to local news,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: told authorities that he picked her up from the home
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: in Fishers, Indiana. Drove her to Columbus, Ohio. Claimed he
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: dropped her off on the side of the road, but
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: authorities determined that it was not being truthful after searching
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: his home. Court records said the alleged child sexual abuse
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: material was found in his devices and claimed that he
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: allegedly tried to delete a video of Busby performing sexual acts.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Federal agents reportedly picked him up from jail. He led
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: them to Busby's remains in the Wayne National Forest. He
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: claimed in an interview that he and Busby communicated via
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: online gaming platforms like Roblox, as well as Session, that's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: a new one on me, as well as the encrypted
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: messaging app. So, This is how these perverts and creeps
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and pedophiles reach your children. Are you worried about it?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Should you be? Those are rhetorical questions, but the answers
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: were yes, you should be worried about it. And yes,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you should be paying attention to where your children are, well,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: surfing around and who they're communicating with. Anyway, he was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: charged in February with sexual exploitation of a minor traveling
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: interstate commerce with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: According to press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office for
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the Southern District of Ohio, the indictment alleges that Thomas
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: obstructed justice by decapitating, dismembering, burying, and discarding the body.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: When asked why prosecutors chose not to indict him on
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the murder charges, the prosecutor, Dominic Gracie II, U.S. Attorney, quote,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: when we're choosing charges, we look at the evidence and
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: making sure that every element of the crimes that we
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: charge We believe we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And so we've chosen charges in the indictment that we
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: believe we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt and that
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the evidence bears that out. This is exactly the point
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that Judge Napolitano is talking about in his column. We're
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: going to be talking about this very subject matter with
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the judge at 830 this morning. Why would prosecutors not
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: move forward with this murder charge? The answer, proof beyond
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt. It is 552-55-CARE-CD-TALK-STATION. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK, 9550 on
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: AT & T phones as we are heading to the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: polls and contemplate the judicial races here in Hamilton County,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: most notably where we need a new juvenile court judge.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Vote Luke and not Bloom. Because somebody has to deal
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: with reckless and criminally minded juveniles because apparently mom and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: dad at home aren't doing it. And how can society
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: fix a problem that is illustrated by this insane case?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Stack of stupid, go to Alabama, Gadsden, Alabama. A 35-year-old
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: woman has been charged with felony murder in connection with
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the death of her 12-year-old daughter, who had cerebral palsy,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: if that wasn't bad enough. Criminal complaint says the 12-year-old
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: girl with cerebral palsy reported dead June 17th, initially reported
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: as a natural death, but investigation continued by police and
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the Alabama Department of Human Resources. Based on the circumstances
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: surrounding the death. A little bit suspicious. Leslie Denise Wilson
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: described his mother of the victim. Detective Alec Burgess, during
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a hearing, testified about what he found at the home
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the day the child was discovered. On the stand, he
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: said he found the victim with, God, this is so horrific,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: live maggots in her diapers, appearing malnourished, and also had pneumonia.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Burgess testified that the victim was, and this is a 12-year-old, okay,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: 32 pounds. Had a feeding tube and was reportedly being
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: cared for by her younger siblings. What a train wreck.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Autopsy showed she died from sepsis and the manner of
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: her death was classified as a homicide. According to the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: criminal complaint, Wilson allegedly subjected the victim to ongoing and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: extreme medical and or physical neglect causing serious physical injury.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: She was arrested, booked into the jail, charged with felony murder.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: According to the sheriff's records, she's being held without bond,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: scheduled to appear in court again at the end of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: this month. Just one illustration. I struggle with this. Can
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: we collectively solve the problems that exist in that type
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of home? And I think God, this isn't the norm
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: out there in the world. But, you know, I just
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: move away from something so just objectively horrific, the abuse
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of your own child in that way. I mean, that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just awful in and of itself. But when you think
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: about it, isn't it comparably awful? Maybe not comparably, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: isn't it awful that parents do not give a whit
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: about their children? The idea that kids are running amok
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: out of– unemancipated youths. They're not 18. They're 14 years
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: old running around committing crimes. And mom and dad, or
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: mom or dad, it doesn't matter. Whoever's responsible or should
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: be responsible doesn't care enough to concern themselves with where
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that child is. Anybody notice we have a crime problem
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: going on in downtown Cincinnati? But look beyond downtown Cincinnati.
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: Cincinnati.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I know statistically the numbers are down, but when you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: look at these gangs, these breakout gangs of young people
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: just running amok in the street and committing acts of
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: violence and property damage, just generally ruining everybody else's life,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: where did they come from and what kind of home
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: life do they have? And backing away from that, can
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: teachers in schools solve the problem? Can a judicial system
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: solve the problem? I'm left wondering whether or not it can. 5.56,
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• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Stick around.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Plenty to come up in the 6 o'clock hour. Of course,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Jack Atherton with the big picture at 7.05. And, boy,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to 7.05 and hear Jack's commentary. We've
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: got a lot going on after that. And I'd love
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: to hear from you. We'll be right back after the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: top of the hour news. It's 6.05, 55 KRC Detox Station.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: My name is Brian Thomas. I am host of the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: 55 KRC Morning Show. and firing on slightly less than
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the full eight cylinders I normally fire on. So, uh,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: excuse me, myself from our errors this morning. I did oversleep.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I'm being honest. And I love a phone call. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: got Jeff on the line. 5 1 3 7 4
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: 9 50 500 800 8 2 3 talk pound 550
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: on AT & T phones. One moment, Jeff, Jack, other
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: than coming up in one hour, we'll have Donovan and
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the Americans for prosperity on at seven 30. Steve balls
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: up from the Claremont County veteran services coming up at
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the tail end of the seven o'clock hour. The book is,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: The Phantom. This should be a fascinating conversation with Bob Drury,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the author of The Phantom, The Untold Story of the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: American Marine the Nazis Could Not Kill. Sounds like a
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: movie should be made out of that one. We'll find
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: out if Bob has any thoughts on that at 8.05,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: followed by Judge Anna Napolitano on the idea of prosecutors
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: not pursuing criminal charges because they do not believe they
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: can prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in spite of
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the clamoring public screaming out loud, we need accountability. This
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: is the Cornell rape case that he's talking about. They
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: previously passed on prosecuting because the woman told her that
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: initially that her account was that it was a consensual thing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: She was doing ketamine. She voluntarily snorted this stuff. Hey,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: don't do that. But then over time, her story changed.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: But when they were given the case upfront, they were
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: looking at the claims, what her statements were versus what
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they transformed into over time, inconsistent they were. And just
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: basically concluded any decent defense attorney probably couldn't get or
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: could defend their client and convince the jury that, well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: they have reasonable doubt. If you say something to the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: authorities that is a polar opposite of a prior account,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: don't you think that raises giant red flags? I'm not
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: saying it didn't happen. I don't know. But welcome to
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: being a prosecutor. They've got obligations to the public. They've
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: got obligations to the defendant who are presumed innocent until
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: they're proven guilty. Jeff, welcome to the program. Thank you
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: for indulging me on that kind of rambling statement there.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: It's good to hear from you this morning. What's up?
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Brian.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Happy hump day.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: You know, as many times as I've been to the
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: Dent Schoolhouse, I've never seen an.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Incident like that.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: An incident like that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: The idiot who went through the glass window.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you see, you caught me off guard. I know
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the Dent Schoolhouse is a haunted house, right? Correct. Yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: they put it up every year. It's supposed to be
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: really cool. I haven't been there myself, but I'm not
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: familiar with the incident you're talking about. I'm surrounded by
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: news articles from around the globe here and That one
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: didn't fly on my radar. So enlighten me and maybe
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: some other listeners who would have no idea what you're
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: talking about. Oh, and Danny, who's covering for Joe Strecker,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: has no idea what you're talking about either. So let
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: us know.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It's on the news this morning.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Tell us. Why are you laughing? I'm asking for details.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: WCPO, Local 12.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Do you know the details? Don't laugh, Jeff. What happened?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Why are you bringing this up? I don't know.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It just cracked me up. It.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Are you Amy acting this morning?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm not acting like Amy.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Do you answer the question? What are you talking about, Jeff?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It's a simple question. What happened that you're so surprised over?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: That incident at the Dent School round.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: All right. You keep saying that, but what incident? Can
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: you give me a shred of information about what you're
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Someone went through a glass window or a glass door.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. Fair enough.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Never heard of that either. Apologies, Jeff. I'm sorry. I'm
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: maybe missing the point.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: 513-749-5500-800-823-TALK.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Pound 550 on AT & T phones. Now, is this something?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: What is going on in Russia? It's nothing to see here.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: That's what the Russians say. This woman died from something
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that people believe might be the plague, unexplained death. And
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: what bothers me about this is the, well, the secrecy
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: swirling around it. Is this something we need to be
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: worried about on the heels of COVID, or is this
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: something that is nothing? Because a lot of people are
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: talking about it. Trump even had a call with Vladimir
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Putin about this particular incident. What is Thomas talking about? Well,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: let me shed some light on it. This is a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: woman who died while working at one of these labs, right?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Plague lab death is what it's being described as. Trump
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: administration now escalating pressure on Russia to provide more information
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: about the death of this lab worker at the Siberian
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Anti-Plague Research Institute. You know, what's in a name? Inflation
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Reduction Act, which turned out to be a bill that
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: pumped in bazillions of dollars into the green energy programs.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So call it the Anti-Plague Research Institute, where you're working
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: on modifying dangerous viruses to make them even more contagious. Anyway,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: State Department delivered formal diplomatic démarché to Moscow, seeking information
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: about the death and the circumstances surrounding it. Officials warning
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that Russia's limited disclosure about the case could run counter
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to its obligations under an international health rule. It's a
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: 2005 international health regulations, which require countries to notify the
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: entire planet. specifically via the World Health Organization, of events
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that may constitute public health emergency and provide relevant public
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: health information. What was the disease that this woman contracted?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: How did she contract it? And is it something that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: may be far worse than just simple bubonic plague? Ask
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Marshall Billingsley. Former senior U.S. arms official said, well, here's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that word, could... which suggests could not, could be far
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: worse than the bacteria that caused the Black Death. He
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: served as the President Trump's Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: He said a top Soviet, we're going back to the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: USSR days, top Soviet bioweapons defector told him a long
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: time ago, decades ago, about secret work on antibiotic-resistant plague
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: at the same facility where this person who just died worked.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He said, well, this may not be just the plague,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: as if that wasn't bad enough, it may be far worse.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: He posted this on X. Obviously, this generates much concern.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: He spent in the 1990s working on proliferation and arms
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: control issues on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And he
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: worked with the former number two official in the Soviet
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Biologic Weapons Program who ultimately defected to the United States
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: of America. Billingsley said he, that guy, the defector, Ken Ailbeck,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: claimed that they had engineered a strain of plague that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: was antibiotic resistance, and they had worked on plague chimeras,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: fusing two or more pathogens. Saying, and quoting, he specifically
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: called out Irkutsk for being involved in the bioweapons program.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That's the facility where this woman who died is working.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: She was 28, working at the Anti-Plague Institute. Russian authorities
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: have described this as pneumonia of undetermined origin. So why
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: are these rumors swirling around about the plague? Why did they?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Here's another fun fact. So they're denying anything of grave concern. here,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: but they quarantined 200 people who had close contact with her.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: That seems to be extraordinary. And of course, the reporting
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: far and wide on what's going on. That's why Trump's
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: demanding more transparency regarding this. And that's why they issued
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: this call for a specific information about what's going on.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Russian news reported on this as well as other media.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: So there's something here, but is it the tip of
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the iceberg? This is kind of what I worry about.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Is this like, I want to think like Ebola in Africa.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It's right there. It's concentrated. There's not a whole lot
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of people flying in and out of the areas where
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Ebola is going on. Is this something we really need
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: to worry about? This is one of those virus centers.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: This is a place where they're tinkering with Well, the viruses.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to make them more contagious? Ask Dr.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Fauci about that. Didn't we experience a global phenomenon with COVID-19?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Isn't that sufficient warning to anybody who would tinker with
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: these things? Maybe don't do it. Let's solve the problem
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: maybe after it comes out rather than trying to anticipate
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: what might occur in nature via some mutation. That's the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: argument they make anyway. I think it's more along the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: lines of biological research. Like weapons, biological weapons. Oh, look,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: they've been doing it for decades. The Soviet Union. Yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: they did that. And if you don't believe the United
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: States is doing it or has done in the past,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I got a bridge I want to say. New Hampshire
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Gary's on the phone. God bless you, New Hampshire Gary,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: for calling me this morning. Welcome to the show. Happy Wednesday.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I thought I'd come by and rescue you.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. You can tell I need it, can't you?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this morning. Hey, this weapons thing, it's a weapons
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: lab that sometimes of the bubonic plague got released inside
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the lab. It's kind of almost like if you've ever
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: seen the movie Resident Evil.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Where they had to kill everybody inside the hive or
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: inside the lab that they were making it out. And
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: they actually killed everybody in the movie. But this is
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the same fear that everybody has that they're making bio
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: sickness or things that... Well, I think.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Gary, isn't this kind of how, I just want to
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: say all broad brush painting, that any movie regarding plague
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: outbreaks always takes place kind of starts with this, well,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: you know, nothing to see here. You know, one person died,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and next thing you know, it spreads like, well, like
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: every movie shows it spreading. It starts out and it just,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: geometric progression. I don't know whether we need to be
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: worried or not. What's your take on it, Gary? Is
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: this sort of a distraction to keep us focus on
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: something other than politics as we approach the election, or
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: do you think there's some legitimate concern here?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I think that these labs have been around for the
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: last 20 years in secret. I do remember that in
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the Ukraine, I think they said there were up to
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: 23 labs that the United States were funding to do
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: all this research. I don't know if you remember back
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: when the war first started. They had a whole bunch.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And they're in China, too.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: And apparently.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And probably in North Korea, maybe the Iranians have theirs.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And any place you go in the world, you can
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: have these. And I'm sure artificial intelligence will speed the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: progression of dangerous research like this.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: They've even found some of these labs from China in
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: the United States.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, they have.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Two times that it's happened, you know, and I think,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you know, it's almost like the mad scientist, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: with the green face and the lab coat Jason bugs going,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: come back here, you little rabbit, you know, and they're just,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: they're mad. They're, they're lots of money involved in this. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And what comes the research?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Is that Gary? Do you think that's what it boils
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: down to? I'm serious about this. Is it really merely
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: money that maybe is driving people to create things that
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: could be the end of humanity? Or is this more
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: about warfare? and designing biological weapons that will kill certain
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: types of genetically defined people as opposed to others, because
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I know that that's been a concern among a lot
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of people. You know, if you have genetic distinctions between
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: your race of people and others, then you could presumably
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: wipe out a particular type of person, right? I mean, that's...
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's been discussed and documented in many articles and research.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Is that what they're doing, or is this really about money?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I don't understand how mutating a virus to make it
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: more contagious and make a virus that is immune or
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: will not be conquered by antibiotics, how is that a
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: benefit to anyone, and how could you monetize that, Gary?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it could be monetized by Department of
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Defense of the country. They want take advantage of the
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: most beneficial weapon they can. Almost makes me scared that
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I sent my mom and dad maybe about four or
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: five years ago the 23andMe research because now that they've,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you know, my mom and dad, I was like, this
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: doesn't affect me. You know, they're old. They're not going
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to be around. But now my genes are descended from them.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: And now.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: We know that the government has tapped into that. But
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: like all militaries, they want to get the most advanced
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: biological weapon they can. And if I can kill off
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: people with the white gene or the black gene or
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: the Asian gene or whatever.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: They're going to use it. Well, talk about, wait a
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: second here, principles of war. Genocide, maybe? I mean, is
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that not the definition of genocide? Specifically targeting a certain
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: type of person and killing them all. We're supposed to
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: not even be allowed to use nuclear weapons, right? Oh, no,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: nuclear winter. It's mutually assured destruction. Nobody's going to pull
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the trigger on that unless you find a rogue nation
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: that's willing to just drop one it doesn't care about.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: sort of ethics, morality, genocide, the whole concept of not
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: starting the end of population, that specific reality is tenfold
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: worse in a genetic mutation lab. I mean, how many
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: millions of people died from COVID and that was basically
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: getting the flu? This is certain death. And apparently we're
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: all engaged in creating viruses that will result in the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: eradication of a large segment of the population. I am
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: not comforted at all by that. Gary, you take care
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of my friend. I appreciate you giving me a call
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: this morning. 620, you can do the same. Please do so.
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: 513-749-5500.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: It's 624, 55 KRC Detox Station. Happy Wednesday. Listener Lunch Wednesday,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Jim Jackson on the river. Will my submariner friend, Cribbage Mike,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: be at the 55 KRC Listener Lunch? Let's find out
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: right now. Good morning, Mike. It's always a pleasure to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: hear from you, my friend.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian.
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: Yes, me and my lovely bride will be there, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: I'm sure you will be firing on all sinners come
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: game time.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: No, I don't count on it. I got off on
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the wrong foot today, man. I don't see the trajectory
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: getting any better today, and my apologies to everybody listening
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: right now. You know, you have good days, you have
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: bad days, and for me, Monday through Friday between 5
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and 9, I must be here in front of a
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: microphone filling time even when I'm not feeling 100%. So
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: that's me today, and I apologize.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: So finally, I would like to commend what took place
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: at City Hall yesterday. The still and forever acting Police
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: Chief Henney and Scotty Johnson must have been channeling his
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: inner Christopher Smitheman, but basically they have both agreed to
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: keep the flock cameras and other LPRs, license plate readers,
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: in use for the Cincinnati Police Department. Acting Chief Henney
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: also brought up that eight homicides have been solved. with
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: that technology. And with the extremely unfortunate occurrence last week
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: with the Kentucky State Police trooper, that piece of excrement
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: was allowed to be arrested within three hours of assassinating
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: that trooper because of LPR. It was identified he had
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: a temporary Alabama plate, and I'm sure there were very
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: few in that area. So before he could apprehend or
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: carjack another car and get on the loose, I'm sure
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: with assassinating a trooper like that, it wouldn't have been
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: long he'd have been on the run. But once again,
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: due to that technology, he was apprehended in less than
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: three hours.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that effectively how they caught that Luigi Mangione
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: guy who murdered the UnitedHealth executive?
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: They pieced together a video.
• 48:31
  Speaker 8: They tracked him across Pennsylvania and found him in that
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: Altoona McDonald's.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So, you know, the little L libertarian in me
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: wants to say that I don't like the Orwellian state
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: that we live in. Cameras are everywhere and I view
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: them as sort of a nefarious thing. But in the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: same token, they are literally everywhere. Isn't the genie out
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: of the bottle? And should it be? Is it truly
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: an invasion of our collective privacy rights to just have static,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: immovable cameras out there recording events going on in the public?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And by merely recording them, most of it's innocuous. We
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: ultimately can solve crimes very quickly and easily and bring
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: murderers of police officers to justice. I mean, where's the balance, Mike?
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: Well, as we discussed earlier, Brian, that's the technology I
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: work with at work every single day.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, you do.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: And I can't help but think there's something else nefarious
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: going on because I think road guards can be put
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: up at any police department because I know what I'm
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: at risk for either divulging privilege information or using that
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: technology or facial recognition technology in ways that it was
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: not intended. And I can't imagine that a police department
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: can't do that, a city council can't do that, or
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: working with the vendors concerning time of storage, access of data,
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: that this can be worked out. There's something else at
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: play here or something else, whether it's a funding issue,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: then say it's a funding issue. You know, we're all
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: of these put out with federal funding, and now we
• 50:01
  Speaker 8: don't have the budget in that. But just to throw
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: it out by saying that we don't like being spied
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: on is ridiculous.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Well, how many stories have you read of late, or
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: at least going back, you can stretch back far, far
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: in time, about government officials inappropriately accessing fill-in-the-blank records, whether
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: it's IRS, the NSA snooping on our telephone calls, the
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: FBI investigating people that there is no suggestion of criminal activity,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: just looking into every element of their life to find
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: out if they can find anything. Think Donald Trump, right?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: We're going to find something. We just need to start
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: digging into his private records. There's no probable cause to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: believe a crime has been committed. These things happen all
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the time. And yet, as soon as you put it
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: into video form, Then it becomes this massive security problem
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and our privacy issues. I mean, we're worried about our privacy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, think of what the federal government has and
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: all of the people who are responsible with the privacy
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: information they have access to. Do you think they're all
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: minding the P's and Q's and following the law? Well,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: most of them, hopefully, but some of them get caught
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and maybe get prosecuted for us. And it's brought to
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: our attention, but we don't react by saying, you can't
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: have that information. You are denied that. It's just because
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: it's video. That doesn't seem to be a worthy distinction,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: does it, Mike?
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: It almost seems like that's what special prosecutor Smith was
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: in front of the senators for last week, if I
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: remember correctly.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, you are right, Mike. Well, you don't need to
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: bring your A game today, Mike. I'm not conceding victory,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: but I'm not optimistic for my hopes today with our
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: cribbage game, but I am absolutely looking forward to seeing
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: you at Jim and Jack's today for lunch. Love you, brother.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Take care, man. See you in a few hours. 629-55-KRC
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Talk Station. Joel, you are next. If you don't mind
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: holding on for a moment. 633 on a Wednesday. Listen
• 51:45
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• 51:49
  Speaker 2: to see you there. Hope to get a phone call
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: from you like Joel did. Joel, call me up. 513-749-5500. 800-823-TALK. Joel,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: thanks for calling this morning. Welcome to the show.
• 51:59
  Speaker 12: Oh, thanks.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: How are you doing?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've been better. yeah um in regard go ahead
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: i just it's it's just such a weird job you
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: know everybody has bad days you go to work you're
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: in a bad mood and you know just since i
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: overslept this morning again like yesterday's show started off with
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: but you know epic fail because our systems and our
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: board wasn't working right i'm not hearing anything and so
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: i was thrown off guard by that and this morning
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: i was thrown off guard by the fact that I'm
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: about 45 minutes out of bed later than I should
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: have been, so anyhow, whatever. Thomas, shut up. That's on
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Joel's mind today.
• 52:36
  Speaker 13: I'm right there with you. In regards to the flock cameras,
• 52:41
  Speaker 13: I do think there's possibly a happy medium. As far
• 52:48
  Speaker 13: as the design of the flock cameras, there could be
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: a design within the product itself where they... images and
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: captures on the device, um, can stay on device. And
• 53:02
  Speaker 13: I think anything that has a, you know, a current
• 53:05
  Speaker 13: warrant out for it's apprehension would be the threshold where
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: that image then goes to the police station or, you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 13: a government agency, but it still needs to have that,
• 53:21
  Speaker 13: that warrant, um, for that car, driving around.
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: What do you mean?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Retention of documents? If there's litigation, then there's a do
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: not destroy order issued. You're saying once it comes to
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: the attention of law enforcement that certain video is needed
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: because there was a crime in that area that they
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: need to preserve that?
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: Well, I'm saying even on the device, it won't even
• 53:49
  Speaker 13: pass it on unless there is a warrant for that vehicle.
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: So it stays within the custody of Flock, the company
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: that has the data recorded.
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: Well, that's what I'm saying. They could design it where
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: it's on the device itself. Flock doesn't even get the
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: images to maintain and retain. I know there's a– I'm
• 54:13
  Speaker 13: not sure if it's Vermont, but a state has put
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: in law that the retention of the images is extremely minimal.
• 54:22
  Speaker 13: But that still doesn't speak to the– the ability of, uh,
• 54:28
  Speaker 13: you know, it, it still goes to flock in their database,
• 54:32
  Speaker 13: but there could be a design on the product itself
• 54:34
  Speaker 13: where that stays on device and then, and once it
• 54:38
  Speaker 13: matches a legitimate warrant, then it gets sent where it's,
• 54:44
  Speaker 13: you know, accessible to everyone.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: So in other words, if the law enforcement officials haven't
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: a specific need for it, then they don't have something
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that some random pervert can, uh, can scan looking for
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: his former girlfriend.
• 54:57
  Speaker 13: Exactly.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: There you go. Well, I think that's a legitimate solution. Honestly,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of legitimate solutions to the workaround.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: They are excellent at solving crime. That's why so many
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: jurisdictions have them. But is there really any difference between
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: flock and how it has data and the random ring
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: doorbell camera, which has data and is retained by the homeowner?
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: They can look at it anytime they want, and a
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: subpoena can be, to your point, a subpoena could be
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: issued to any given homeowner to provide the flock data
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to the extent that there was a crime committed in
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: front of their home. Hey, there was a crime. A
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: car was stolen in your front yard yesterday. We'd like
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: your flock video camera, or your ring doorbell camera. It
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: sounds like a plausible workaround. It would satisfy people's, I guess,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: pervert concerns, which are generating all this anti-flock camera activity.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: agitation of late so legitimate work around Joel as far
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: as I'm concerned I just really and this again I
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: go back to the reality this is all public what
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: you're viewing on a flock camera is something that any
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: human being can view in real time out walking around
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: in the real world I just struggle with why it's
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: so outrageous given the surveillance society we already found ourselves
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: in a bell it can't be unwrung Joel appreciate your
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: observations man seven or six thirty eight 55 care CD
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: talk station, six 43, 55 care CD talk station, not
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: factoring in the, uh, what what's our, what's our dump
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: button delay. Danny is like 45 minutes. Like, no, it's
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: longer than 10 seconds. It's gotta be longer than 10 seconds.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I I'll disagree with you, Danny, even though I
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: love you and you do a great job when Joe
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Strecker is gone, but I, I finished the show up.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: I did the post-show recording, right? I finished the show
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: up yesterday. I walked around the corner to say something
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: to Russ, who was covering for Joe, and my voice
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: is still closing the show out when I got into
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: the studio, which suggested to me it was a hell
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: of a lot longer than 10 seconds because it would
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: take me longer than 10 seconds to walk out of
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: the door and make it over to your booth. You
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: explained that on the break.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: Sad.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: You've asked this. All right, fair enough. I know Danny's
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  Speaker 2: right on this. It just seems to me to be
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: a lot longer, and that's why I make apologies when
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I have to hit the dump button. So if you
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: ever call in, and I would encourage you to do
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: so this morning, 5.3, 749-5500, 800-823-TALK, pound 550 on AT &
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: T phones. Don't curse on the 55KRC morning show. Please don't.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Danny offered a little bit more delicate way of saying that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Laura Loomer accusing Amy Acton of hiding a 1993 driving conviction.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: More allegations. And you know, if Amy would just come
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: out and answer questions, not to be insulting to the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: earlier caller, I didn't know what he was talking about.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: But if you're accused of something like this, wouldn't you
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: want to get out and talk about it? Wouldn't you
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: want to address it with your opponent? Wouldn't you want
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: to stand on the stage and tell the voters why
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: you and your campaign and what you are promising to
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: accomplish is as governor of the state of Ohio, is
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: so much better than your opponent, Vivek Ramaswamy?
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: But no.
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  Speaker 2: 645. 55K RCV Talk Station. It's 650 at 55K RCV
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  Speaker 2: Talk Station. Jack Atherton, if you're out there listening, Danny's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: going to be calling you up. He doesn't trust the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Zoom link that Joe Strecker normally provides. He and I
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: have to refresh the Zoom and get new links throughout
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the program. I don't know what magic Joe works to
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: keep that going, but we'll be calling you up here shortly.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Danny's throwing his hands up. I don't know either. Oh, good.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not the only one in the dark.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Danny Gleason, Jack Allen, and coming up off top of
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the hour news, Donovan and Neil Americans for prosperity. They
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: have a new fight socialism campaign going on. And so
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking to him about that. If
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: you want to check it out right now, go to
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: fight socialism.com describes a practical playbook with real world examples
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: and arguments. People can use in everyday conversations. I mean,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: how far do you need to look other than just
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: looking at South America who is Well, many countries had
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: socialism and they lived under it and then found out
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: that it sucks so badly that they moved on. they
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: move back and and did a 180 and started electing
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: folks that were not socialists and folks who promised not
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: to continue to engage in socialism yet we have a
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: threat to the uh to the united states of america
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: with this socialist crap it's terrible it's awful it's impossible
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: impossible to afford I mean, here's a fun fact on that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I saw this at Epic Times the other day. And
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump was talking about this. A new report out
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: predicting the net fiscal burden on you if you adopt
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the Democrat Socialist of America top policies. These are things
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: they're campaigning on. Net fiscal burden of more than $ 49
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: trillion between 2027 and 2036. $ 49.
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Trillion.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, our national debt is $ 40 trillion. We've
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: accumulated that over decades and decades in spite of the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: warnings and the red flags. And oh my God, yeah,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: it's up to annual GDP. So we're paying a trillion
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: dollars annual interest on the debt we've incurred over the years.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: But if you adopt the democratic socialist policies, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Cato Institute crunched numbers on this as well. They
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: were like $ 30 to $ 100 trillion over 10 years. I mean,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I know the figures are all over the world, but
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: if you look at the lowest lowest figure that these
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: number crunchers have come up with it's impossible to afford
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: and yet the lure of free stuff and things oh
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: my god i'm gonna get free stuff and things hey
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: zorhan mamdami is gonna keep my rent fixed yeah how's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: that work out have you looked at the practical realities
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: of just even one policy like that and how it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: works out over time and what the damage it does
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Report added up the presumed cost for Democratic Socialist of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: America agenda items, such as loosening border restrictions, handing out
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: amnesty to all illegal immigrants in the country. Are you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: in favor of these policies? Abolishing the police and U.S.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. Donald Trump got elected over
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: border security. I mean, one of the main things, you know,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: in spite of the fact that nobody believes in polls anymore,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many polls do you need to see
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: where 80% of the electorate across political spectrums want to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: control the borders? No border, no country. This is what
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: they are running on. It is what they believe in.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Eliminating prisons. Government-run health care for everybody. It's such a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: wonderful thing, government. They're so great about minding the P's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: and Q's of the dollars that they take in from us.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: It's a model of efficiency, the government. You are putting,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: under this theory, government health care for everybody. Your life
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: is being placed in the hands of those idiots in Washington, D.C.,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That's a serious suggestion. And do you think they will
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: be immune from tort liability? Oh, I can assure you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: they will be. 655-55-KRC-D Talk Station. It's a frightening world
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: we live in, and people are embracing it. Please, dear God,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: get out and vote and hold your nose and vote
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: for that Republican candidate that you don't like because the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: alternative is so much worse. Jack Atherton, after the top
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: of the hour news, I hope you can stick around.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: It's 7.06. Epic about KRC Talk Station, it being a Wednesday.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Extra special Wednesday because it's Listener Lunch Wednesday at Jim
• 1:03:05
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• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: of week we get the brilliance of Jack Atherton. Awesome,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: awesome segment every week. Jack Atherton, I love having you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: on the 55KRC Morning Show and welcome. And I guess
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: every vote really does matter, doesn't it, Jack?
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  Speaker 4: It does, buddy.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm going to try to persuade people of exactly that.
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  Speaker 9: You and I try to learn from history every week.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: What's worked? For example, free market capitalism. What's failed?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: Miserably.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 9: For instance, top-down government socialism. But history can lull us
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 9: into a dangerous state of complacency. We assume that what's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: happened before was bound to happen, that history was inevitable.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Yet that's far from the case.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 9: So this morning, to motivate folks on the fence to,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: as you say, hold your nose and vote Republican, Let's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: look at some turning points in history that could have
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 9: gone very differently. Take one earth-shaking figure, the little corporal
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 9: Napoleon Bonaparte.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: He wasn't really that little.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 9: Napoleon's 5'5, or still being debated by people with not
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: much else to do, 5'7, with average for the day.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: But British cartoonists love to belittle him. What may have
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 9: been stretched was Napoleon's courage. Yes, as a Corsican outsider,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: it took guts to rise through the ranks in France
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 9: and then win stunning victories in Italy, Egypt, and throughout Europe.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 9: But at the critical moment in his rise to power,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: the would-be world conqueror panicked and was literally paralyzed. Napoleon
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: was back in Paris leading a coup against the French
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: revolutionary government. He had faced fire on the battlefield, but
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: this was different. When he entered the council chamber, deputies
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: swarmed the trembling general, pushing, shoving, and yelling, Kill him!
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: Napoleon came this close, Brian, to going the way of
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 9: Julius Caesar and becoming Swiss chief, until his younger brother, Lucien,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 9: rallied troops outside the chamber and saved the day. Napoleon
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 9: then made himself first consul, and then Emperor of France. Still,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: as so often happens with ungrateful strongmen, Napoleon quarreled with Lucien,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: forcing him to seek refuge with so many millions have
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 9: since in the United States of America. If Napoleon's career
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: depended on one man, his little brother, George W. Bush's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: success depended.
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  Speaker 4: On four men and one woman.
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  Speaker 9: Who all dressed alike in black robes. Supreme Court Justices
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and then Chief Justice William Rehnquist,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: all constitutional conservatives, were joined by moderate Sandra Day O'Connor.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: And this was the big surprise. Liberal Anthony Kennedy, in
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: ruling that Florida's method of recounting ballots in the 2000
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 9: presidential election violated the equal protection of voters. That's because
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: several Democrat counties in Florida kept changing their rules after
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: ballots were cast. During the recount, they accepted paper ballots
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: with only partial perforations, so-called dimples or hanging shades. What
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: most people don't know is that the New York Times,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: the New York Times, Brian, did its own recount in Florida,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: which showed that even if the disputed ballots had been
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: counted for Al Gore, W still would have won.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Look it up. And George W.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: Bush did win, and this is key, by just 537
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: votes statewide. Bush never would have won were it not
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: for those five courageous justices from the right, middle, and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: left constitutionally standing up for the constitutional rights of voters
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 9: in Florida and across the country. But focus now, please.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: on something else in that election, almost 6 million votes
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: were cast in Florida's 2000 presidential race. Six million, and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 9: it was a 537 vote margin, which might just as
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 9: well have been one vote. That was the premise of
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: a 1939 movie starring John Barrymore, The Great Man Votes.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: remade in 2008 with Kevin Costner and called.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Swing Vote, Kevin was the one vote that mattered.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: I'm asking all of you now to think of your
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 9: vote as the swing vote in every race on this
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: year's ballot, because it could very well be. President Trump
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: claims he won landslides, but in 2016, tiny vote swings
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 9: in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were would have made Hillary
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: Clinton president. We now have open borders, amnesty for illegals,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: windmills instead of fossil fuels, sky-high taxes, and a long
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: commute to communist China if you wanted a job in manufacturing.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: Not to mention that Iran would now have nuclear bombs.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: So friends, don't wait like Napoleon did. for your brother
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: or sister to save your bacon, you can vote right
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: now in many states, including Ohio. Ainsley and I did yesterday.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: Vote as soon as you can. And then be another
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: Lucian Bonaparte persuading conservative family, friends, and neighbors to discharge.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Their civic duty.
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  Speaker 9: And since they are not Bonapartes, hopefully that does not
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: involve trying to conquer Europe. What do you say, General Thomas?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, a lot to unpackage there. You mentioned France, of course,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: in the context of Napoleon, but I'm watching. the entire
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: country collapse on itself. It seems you have what started
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: out as some alleged claim over, you know, school, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: the schools were inadequate. They don't have air conditioning. There's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: rats or whatever. So an alleged uprising relating to school
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: conditions has turned into this mass invasion hundreds of thousands
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: of people but what it is it's communist it's socialist
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: it's the far left it's climate change activists it's people
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: who want open borders and and continuing obviously the open
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: border struggle they're dealing with in europe you know cautionary
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: tale for the united states thank god trump got elected
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: the last time and of course this time as well
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: um It is so much more than that going on
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: in France, and this is what we're staring down the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: barrel of here in the United States. We seem to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: be just one step behind Europe. Do you have any
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: comment about what's going on in France, Jack?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 9: Paris is on fire. Ainsley and I, the summer before
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: this last one, were able to visit Paris. When you
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 9: leave the airport and approach the central part of Paris,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: you pass through all of the unassimilated immigrant neighborhoods. They're
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: twice the size of Paris, and they're seething. They're now
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: lighting their torches, and we're just a few years away
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: from that. There's something else I wanted to tell you about.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: I've been corresponding with a fellow who listens to us
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: in Palm Beach County, Florida. His neighbors are almost all liberal.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: You remember the Palm Beach Director of Elections, Theresa Lepore
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: counted all of those illegal ballots for Al Gore in
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 9: 2000 until the U.S. Supreme Court threw them out. Now,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: at a current events club in this fellow's community, my
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: friend debates every week with people who think Donald Trump
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: is the devil. They're all Flip Wilson down there. Trump
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: is many things, but he's not the devil. I don't
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: know if my friend's lone voice is changing any minds.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: It's probably lost him some friends, but That's what we
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 9: have to do. Engage in civil debates. Stand up for
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: our convictions. And when we finally get the chance, vote
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: and hope others will see things our way. Paris is,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: I frankly think it's gone.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: That's the, you know, that's the sad reality, Jack. And
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: the European Union did it to itself with this unchecked
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: open borders reality. It seems like every man, woman, and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: child who lived in a And Africa or the Middle
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: East has picked up bags and moved into Europe. They
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: have no connection with the culture there. Obviously, the culture
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: has been eroded. And I think I read just yesterday
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: that 20% of the population is now foreign-born. They entered
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the country with open borders policy. If that's not sort
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: of an existential threat to the reality of what it
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: is to be French, I don't know what is. But
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: that the elected officials, the people who run the show
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: in Europe, have welcomed this. That, to me, is the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: most frightening thing. You know, if you believe Donald Trump
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: is the embodiment of the devil, there he is, Beelzebub,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: and you're going to vote against Republicans because you do
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: not like Donald Trump, this is what you are inviting
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: into this country. We saw it under Biden, Jack. Open borders,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: 10 to 20 million people flowed in, unaccounted for. Many
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: of them have been identified as terrorists. There's always a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: subset of people that want to do us harm. If
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: you don't have check borders and strict border control, That
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: is what you're welcoming to our country, and I just
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: don't understand Trump derangement syndrome can have such a profound
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: effect on someone that because evil orange man is president
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: that they will vote against any Republican on the ticket. Jack,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: that just doesn't make sense. It seems to be a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: DSM-5 diagnosable condition.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: The United States, very different from Europe in this regard,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 9: or at least it should be. The European situation with
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: immigration started right after World War II. The British and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: the French, had liberated their colonies where people had been
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: mistreated for centuries. And they took the attitude, we've treated
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: these people so badly, they should be allowed to come
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: back to the motherland. It's kind of like when slaves
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 9: finally won their freedom, received equal rights, which they always
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: should have had from the beginning. And we said, well,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: these people are just Americans. The French said, these people
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 9: are just Frenchmen. But the difference is, We're now allowing
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: people to come in from every part of the globe,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: and who knows, maybe even aliens from space.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: And we're a welfare state.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: We cannot afford to pay for everybody to decide they
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: want to come to America, which is prosperous only because
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: we didn't allow that for a long time. We insisted
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: that people come here and not receive welfare. They had
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: to make their own way, and they did.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: And we also wouldn't allow people in to have a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: seat at the table if they had any form of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: medical malady. People are wax poetic about the Ellis Island days.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: You know, give me your tired and your poor. Well,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: that was just a phrase that some poet wrote up.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: It's not part of the Constitution. We have our own
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: vested interests. And yes, while we did welcome people from
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: all over the world during the days with limited immigration.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: We did check. Can this person survive on their own?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Can they defend themselves? And, oh, look, if they're diseased,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: we're going to send them back from whence they came.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't all, you know, rainbows and unicorns back then.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I told.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: You about a great uncle of mine who went through
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: Ellis Island and went right back to Europe because he
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: had an eye infection. That's what they did.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: It is. And I don't see any problem with that,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily that rigid black, you know, red
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: line in the sand type of attitude, but You should
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: at least be able to feed and clothe and shelter yourself.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: You need to have some sort of education. You need
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: to bring something to the table in this country. Otherwise,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: as you pointed out, unlike the old days of Ellis Island,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: they are welcome at the table of the social welfare
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: safety net. Last time I checked, Jack, are we having
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: a spending problem? Is the social welfare safety programs that
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: are designed for Americans, are they under stress, Jack, he
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: asked rhetorically?
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  Speaker 9: I can't count all those zeros, but I think they
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: add up to $ 40 trillion, on which we pay real interest.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: That's money that could go elsewhere, like, say, defense or education,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: or just stay in the pockets of taxpayers. Can I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: mention one other thing?
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  Speaker 8: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Don't just stay home, folks, because you're sick of the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: moronic campaign ads on both sides that simply attack the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 9: character of their opponents instead of telling us what the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: candidates will do. to bring down inflation and gas prices
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: and interest rates, anything we actually care about. Negative ads
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: are meant to make us so disgusted with our own
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: party's candidate that we'll stay home. Remember what's at stake.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: And if you can't vote for the candidates, vote on
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: the issues.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Hetherton, always brilliant. I am so blessed to have you.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: And my listeners are too. I know they know that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I hear from folks all the time. Love your commentary
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: each and every week here. You're going to get 7.05
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  Speaker 2: on a Wednesday. Jack Atherton with The Big Picture. Jack
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: will do it again next Wednesday. And look forward to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: doing that. And as always, we always end the conversation
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: with well wishes to you and your better half. God
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: bless you, sir.
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  Speaker 4: You too. Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Jack. It's 7.19 right now, 55 KRC, the
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  Speaker 2: talk station. Bottom of the hour, Donovan O'Neill. Fight socialism campaign.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Got a new website. Donovan's going to talk all about that.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: And that's what we need to do. Hold your nose.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Get out and vote. And, of course, don't vote Democrat
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: because voting Democrat is voting socialist. 723, 55KRC, the talk station.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday. Hope to see you at Lister Lunch. Jim
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: and Jack's on the river today. And thank you, Joyce,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: for calling this morning. Joyce, welcome to the 55KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 12: Hey, good morning, Brian. I'm just going to riff off
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 12: a little bit of something that Jack was talking about.
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  Speaker 7: He was talking about.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 12: The importance of a vote. But what I got at
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 12: the end of the conversation was, about losing the sovereignty
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 12: and the national identity all over the world and certainly here.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 12: You know, one of the joys about traveling abroad was
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 12: to immerse yourself in a different culture. You go to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 12: Paris to see how the Frenchmen live. You go to
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 12: Italy to see how the Italians live. Well, they're erasing
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 12: all of that by importing all these people that come
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 12: in and they.
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  Speaker 7: Don't try to adopt a national identity.
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  Speaker 12: They certainly don't do it here. You know, back in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 12: the day in Ellis Island, these people did come in,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 12: but they strove to be Americans.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 12: And I just don't understand, one, it became a sin
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 12: for a nation to be sovereign. It makes no.
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  Speaker 1: Sense to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the only people making the argument that nations can't
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: be sovereign are the globalists who don't believe in sort
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: of this individual reality of culture in any given place
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: in the world. You know, I have a good friend
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I went to church with when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Darren, if you're listening from France. Married a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: French girl, he obtained French citizenship. And in order to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: obtain French citizenship, I learned you need to be fluent
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: in the language. At least one hurdle you have to overcome.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: I mean quite fluent. You can't just sort of half-ass it,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. So I don't know
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: if they still have that requirement, but clearly a migrant
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: coming in from northern Africa that has no concept of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: the French language can nonetheless apparently just move right on
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: in and settle himself there. Or anyplace else. It doesn't
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: matter which country they come from. I mean, this is
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: the change in reality. I don't understand to whose benefit,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: but you make a great point. You know, the idea
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: of traveling abroad, the purpose of it is exactly that.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe opening your eyes up to how great we've
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: got it here. Right, Joyce?
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  Speaker 12: Amen to that. I just don't understand. It's not a
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 12: sin for a nation to be sovereign and to have
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: a national identity. And erasing that by the globalist takeover,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 12: it's a travesty, really.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: It is, and it's happening real time. Just step back
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: and take a look at the realities of Europe and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: see what we had under the Biden administration and think
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: about that when you're going into the polls as early
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: as today when you can early vote in Ohio. Joyce,
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  Speaker 2: excellent observation, and thank you so much for calling. Folks,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: don't go away. It's the Fight Socialism campaign with Donovan
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: O'Neill from Americans for Prosperity. Next, plus we're going to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: hear from Clement County Veterans Services Commission Steve Belso. He'll
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: be in studio passing along some great information for my
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: veteran listeners. 7.30, you can come up to our CD
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Talk station. Happy Wednesday. It's that time of the week
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: we hear from Donovan O'Neill. I like to say Americans
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: for Prosperity, Donovan O'Neill, which wouldn't be an inappropriate label,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: but today it's Fight Socialism, Donovan O'Neill. Welcome to the program, Donovan.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: I always love having you on the show.
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  Speaker 11: I am good to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: So we're fighting socialism. I look at what's going on
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: in Europe. You have open borders and the reality of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: the changing culture there. You have their wedded to green policies,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: which has resulted in massive increases in the cost of
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: energy and, of course, brownouts, blackouts. I mean, how long
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: is the list? France facing financial difficulties. They're in a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: state of financial collapse, kind of reminiscent of what the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: United States or suggestive of where the United States is going,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: given our $ 40 trillion debt. The Democrat Socialist America policies
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: want to move us more in line with what they
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: embrace in Europe. And then we look to our southern
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: friends down in South America where almost every single opportunity
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: the citizens have to get rid of socialism, they've done it.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: You've got Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Chile. One after another, they've
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: experimented with socialism. It sucks. The economies are bad, so
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: people reject it. How come we haven't learned lessons yet?
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  Speaker 2: How come it is that we are worried that the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: socialists are taking over, that they have invaded the Democrat
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Party so much so that any Democrat like Sherrod Brown
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: we know will vote with any weird leftist policy the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: Democrats come up with. We can't afford it. We know
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: what the cost is going to be if we end
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: up trying to implement the policies that they're arguing for.
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  Speaker 2: How is it, Donovan O'Neill, that they have any traction
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: in the United States of America?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I think it's for the same reasons that it
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: has traction in all those places you just listed, Brian, right?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 11: Because when people are hurting, and quite frankly, right, fuel prices,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 11: cost of living, some of the challenges we've been facing
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 11: as a nation over the last several years, right? This
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 11: is where those ideas of socialism.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: Flourish, right?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 11: Because you have these angels from on high, right? These politicians,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 11: these experts who come in and say, hey, if you
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: just give me more control, if you just, we centralize
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 11: this power, if we put government in control of your lives,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 11: we go take this money from these people over here
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 11: who are obviously doing better than you, and we just,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 11: we socialize uh, our, our, our welfare and our, our nation, uh,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 11: it'll get better for you, but you're going to have
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 11: to yield a couple of things, right? Yield a little freedom,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 11: yield a little Liberty, yield a little bit of your wealth,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 11: even right. We're taking from that guy too, but we've
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 11: got to, that's where these ideas percolate.
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  Speaker 8: And it, we, but we see what.
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  Speaker 11: The end game is, right? From all those examples you
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 11: gave Brian, right? We see how that end game, uh,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 11: plays out. And the challenge we have and what we're
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 11: out there doing and fighting every day through our Fight
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 11: Socialism campaign is pointing out that the reason we're in
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 11: the problem we're in today, from inflation to energy to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 11: healthcare costs, are because we've played with these ideas of socialism.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: We've done socialism light. And, you know, if we go
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 11: socialism hard, it's just going.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 7: To get worse.
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  Speaker 11: We actually need to go back to the freedom, liberty
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  Speaker 11: principles that resulted in the most prosperous nation known to
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  Speaker 11: mankind over the last 250 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: What, what, what I struggle with Donovan is that the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: idea that a politician pick us or on mom, Dami,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: you know, he's the product, just the greatest illustration of
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: what can happen. You get the most populous city in,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: in the world, New York city, or at least one
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: of the biggest is now run by a full on
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: socialist that they promise things. And they say, well, we'll
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: just have rent control. Like, oh, there's the answer. We're
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: just going to fix the rent. So it doesn't go
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: up anymore. I mean, doesn't anybody just immediately come up
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: with something like, well, what about inflation? I mean, we've
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: been dealing with every year inflation is there and some percentage,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: except we're in a stagflation period of time, then that's different.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, it's up 2%. It's up 3.5%. Inflation is
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: a reality for landlords as well. They've got to be
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: able to maintain and upkeep the property. So I'm sorry,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: fixing the rent is not an adequate solution or isn't
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: really a solution of any type because it results in, well,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: buildings falling apart because there's no profit in it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you can do that. You can do health care, right?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: The long west.
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  Speaker 11: That our friends at the Democrat left have been pursuing
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  Speaker 11: on health care, right?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 11: Health care should be affordable.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: I agree, everybody.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 11: We all agree health care should be something that everybody
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 11: has access to. But the question is, do we centralize
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 11: that control? Do we try to fix those costs? And
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 11: are we, you know, the trade-offs that come with that, right?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 11: I mean, from innovation and development in the healthcare sector,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 11: that would be stifled by centralizing and assuming that Washington, D.C.
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  Speaker 5: Knows better where we should invest.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: Our R & D for healthcare.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 11: Than, you know, Cincinnati and all these other places around
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 11: the country that have healthcare sectors. to people being able
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: to pick their doctor, right? Or the rationing of care,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 11: which we see in places like Canada and England where
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 11: these smooth experiments are occurring. It doesn't ultimately result in,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 11: it may result in me not paying more out of
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 11: my pocket in healthcare necessarily when I go to get
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 11: the doctor, but I may struggle to see the doctor.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 11: I may not be given the care I desire when
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 11: I go to see the doctor and finally get in there.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 11: There are a lot of tradeoffs that occur with these
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: that if we embrace a free market abundance approach to
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 11: policymaking here, we actually can result. We can achieve that
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 11: same goal of affordable, accessible health care, affordable, accessible housing
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 11: under the rent control or non-rent control example. But we
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 11: have to recognize that government doesn't just suddenly solve these
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 11: problems for us.
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  Speaker 5: It actually creates more problems downstream.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and there is. Think about it. Countries who've gone
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: to socialist health care, government-controlled health care, have to ration it.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: You don't get as much. Isn't that just a painful
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: acknowledgment of real economic forces at work? Because if it
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: really didn't cost anything and this was just some big
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: magical solution, the government, oh, the government will take care
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: of it, then everybody would get whatever they want by
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: way of health care. I mean, it's a lie.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 11: Well, and in Canada's situation, right, they're literally offering their
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 11: citizens the option to opt out of life, right, suicide,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: to begin to solve some of their health care problems, right?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 11: It's the scary reality that is government controlling and deciding
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 11: who gets what, when, where, and how. I'd rather leave
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 11: it to the market. I'd rather leave it to the people,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 11: and those closest to the problems know best how to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 11: solve them.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Well, and you also point out in FightSocialism.com, which is
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: a link to Americans for Prosperity site, the public education system,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: it's been a tragic train wreck for children who've been
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: victims of the public education system in many places anyway,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: not all. But this is government at work. They're delivering
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: mediocrity at best. So that's what you can count on
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: from government. At best, you're going to get mediocrity. And
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: you want to apply that to your health care?
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Choices, choices resulted in better educated children.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: We've had government run schools and some of them get
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: great results for students. But by and large, we've seen
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 11: grades decline. We've seen outcomes get worse.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: We all know it.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 11: We all talk about it. If you're a parent, you
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: see it firsthand. But where we've seen choice occur, right?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 11: Parents are able to put their kids in the education
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 11: that best meets their needs. When we have a market
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 11: that flourishes in education, results in better teacher pay, results
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: in better educational outcomes, results in happier families, right? you know, that's,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 11: we've seen what happens when we get government out of
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 11: that monopoly just in the last few.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Years since COVID, right?
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 13: We've seen what happens when we get government out of.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 11: The way of people and allow individuals to flourish and thrive.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: Good things happen.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 11: We know it, Brian, and that's the fight we've got
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: to take to the the proverbial streets here and make
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 11: sure folks understand what's at stake if we take the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 11: socialist path, not just this November, right, but over the
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 11: next few years because.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 8: This doesn't end in November.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: This is a problem that's out there.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: No, and the socialists will even take it on the
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: chin and have defeat in November if we deliver on votes,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: but they're not going away. I want to emphasize that point.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: They are willing to take baby steps, any baby step
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: forward they can get. They'll have to take a step
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: backward every once in a while, but they're never going away.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: This is a constant battle for the, well, future of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: the United States of America. So we could seriously take
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: it seriously. FightSocialism.com is the site, isn't it, Donovan?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 11: And we're going to do a webinar next week. We've
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 11: been doing trainings around the state. But if you can't
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 11: join us at one of those next Tuesday, I'll actually
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 11: be giving a state of play and we'll have a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 11: great program. You can sign up at FightSocialism.com and join us.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: And please do so. FightSocialism.com. God bless you, Donovan O'Neill.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Appreciate what you're doing each and every day. And we'll
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: talk next week. On Wednesday at the same point at
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: the same time. Take care of my brother. 739 right now.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Stick around because Steve Belzo, Clement County Veterans Service, is
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: going to be in the studio to talk about some
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: wonderful things for the veterans in my listening audience. Bob
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: Drury with his book, The Phantom, The American Marine the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Nazis Could Not Kill. That'll be at 8.05, and then
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: we'll hear from Judge Ed Napolitano in the 8 o'clock hour.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: I'll be right back.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: 7.48, 55.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: KCB Talk Station. I love having Steve Belzo, the Executive
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Director of the Claremont County Veterans Services, in my studio,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: looking across from him, knowing full well that the veterans
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: in Claremont County are so well taken care of with
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: the Claremont County Veterans Service Commission and all the work
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: that they do. And this morning, Steve, acting as my
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: personal Lender Center of Hope Counselor, As I deal with
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: the struggles that I'm having this morning, cognitively on the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: morning show. Welcome back, Steve, my friend. Always great seeing you.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 14: Brian, great to see you too. And for the listening audience,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 14: know that Brian's having a morning. Give him a call.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 14: I've even pulled his dump button away from him. So
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 14: just know you're safe and listening, and we're going to
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 14: have some fun on the radio today.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: So stay tuned. Some days I view my job as
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: a completely pointless exercise. Steve, you're a good man. I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: appreciate the kind words you extended to me off the air.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Made me feel a little bit better. How about the
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: Clement Cuddy Veterans Services? This is a mantra. I mean,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: you've been singing this song all the time, and I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: know it's accurate. Veterans, get your VA health care. Sign
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: up for it. And veterans are such noble people. You
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: keep telling me a lot of veterans still are of
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: the mind that if they take advantage of what they
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: worked for, that they're taking it away from somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 14: And I don't know how much of this extends from
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 14: the Depression era.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 9: Generations, right?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 14: And so you have the generational pass down. Or if
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 14: people truly do not understand the supply chain of the VA,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 14: this is a mammoth organization and they order tens of
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 14: thousands hearing aids, healthcare syringes, use your whole healthcare. You
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 14: don't think about that when going to the hospital. You
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 14: don't think about it when you're going to your audiologist
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 14: out in town. Well, they have enough hearing aids. The
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 14: VA is no different, Brian. They have plenty of supplies
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 14: for these veterans and you're not taking from someone who
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 14: deserves it more.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Well, Steve, I know you truly love the work that
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: you're doing. You love your job in serving the veteran community.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I bet you hear from them all the time for
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: the work that you've done for them, even the simple
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: things that you do for them.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 14: The simple things. There are times, I will tell you, Brian,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 14: there are times that you've shored up a veteran or
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 14: their family that'll put a tear in your eye just
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 14: hearing some of their stories. But it is good work.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 14: It is when you can really put a foundation back
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 14: underneath a brother or sister that has struggled with life.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 14: And frankly, it happens and it's nothing to be embarrassed about,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 14: but I'm glad that we can be there for our
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 14: brothers and sisters in uniform to help take care of
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 14: them and shore them up. There are so many comments of,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 14: I don't know where I was coming out of this
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 14: closet until you guys stepped forward to help me. I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 14: don't know how we would have done this without you guys.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 14: And I'm not trying to blow our own horn. I've
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 14: got five great commissioners that ensure that That I am
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 14: taking care of, to take care of the office. And frankly,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 14: my Claremont County commissioners do an excellent job. Steve, what
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 14: do you need?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: And see, that's my philosophy for people who haven't served.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I support veterans causes because I didn't, but
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: all of the veterans... worked for me they worked for
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: america they you know they offered their life in service
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: to our collective country that's right leftist rightist everybody in
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: between under the banner of freedom and liberty they signed
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: on the bottom line and god bless each and every one.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 14: Regardless of party in the house yeah doesn't matter.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: It's a noble noble thing well you know it VA
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: facilities around this country, I can go back to Bob
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: McDonald and, you know, the appointment that was never made
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: and six months delay and veterans not getting care. Different
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: VA facilities are, some are better than others and all
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: are striving to be better at what they do. You've
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: got a really well oiled machine here.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: We do.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: In the greater Cincinnati area.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: We do.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: You have complaint boxes. You address people's complaints. You encourage
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: veterans who are getting service to put the complaint in
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: the complaint box or raise it to their attention. They're
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: going to work to fix the problem.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: They are.
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  Speaker 14: I truly believe our Cincinnati VA is the really, the
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 14: gold standard. And I know it's an overused term, but
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 14: really as the VA offices I've been through, the VA
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 14: hospitals I've been through as a retiree, there is, I've
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 14: experienced No better VA hospital out there than our Cincinnati VA.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: That's good to hear.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 14: The client-based outpatient clinics, phenomenal.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: And they're frequent.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 14: I mean, they're in your neighborhood. Why not use them?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 14: So it's a full service, holistic abilities as a regular
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 14: hospital you would expect to be.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: And obviously we are all painfully aware of some of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: the mental challenges some veterans face, post-traumatic stress, having served
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: in the military in and of itself, I think would
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: be a stressful thing in and of itself. And the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: counseling that you guys have available, Thankfully, the idea that
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: getting counseling is terrible or is a sign of weakness,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: those days are far beyond us or far behind us. Right.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: But you have access to counseling.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Just one service.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: But it's a great one.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 14: But you know what? When we talk about the community set,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 14: veterans are used to, this is my family. This is
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 14: my unit. This is our space. When you're going on base-
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 14: some of our bases are extremely large and I belong
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 14: to this camp within the base. And my, my little,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 14: think of it a European model, right? My little town
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 14: has everything I need. And you put many of those
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 14: little towns now within a base fence. We are somewhat
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 14: of a cultic society. I understand that, but they're used
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 14: to having their own little collection of my society. That's
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 14: holistic about my total care, my chow hall, my, my
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 14: corpsman taking care of my medical and, my finance. I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 14: go up to admin.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: It's all co-located.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 14: So why wouldn't I want to replicate the same thing
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 14: in my office at Claremont County now that we're helping
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 14: with financial assistance, we're helping with transportation. Oh, by the way,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 14: we have a counselor from the VA coming in from
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 14: the vet center one day a week. All you have
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 14: to do is call and set up and she will
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 14: sit with you. We have a private office set away
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 14: from them. Are we climbing over ourselves? Yeah, you bet
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 14: we are. But you know what? when you come in,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 14: you feel like you've got a little sense of greening again,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 14: like you're back on active duty.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: That's, that's a great thing. You know, I, I look
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: back at sort of, it's like my college days, you know,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: there are multiple fraternities. You're all part of the Greek system,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: but you, you belong to one.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: You belong to one.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: It's like Harry Potter. You're in Slytherin or, you know,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, you connect with the group and you, you do.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: And that's, it's identity. How many families do you serve
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: and assist each year?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 14: Hey, they, um, I don't know if I can use
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 14: that term.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 14: So if we consider December, we transported, listen to this,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 14: 1,200 veterans transported, 1,200 veterans in 2025 to and from
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 14: their VA appointments.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: You're effectively an Uber.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: 1,200.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Without the payout. With no cost. No cost.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 14: No cost to the veteran.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, I need a ride.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 14: They call the office. We get them scheduled. We take
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 14: them down. I got great driver. I got a great staff.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I really do, Brian.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: I wish.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 14: We should take a segment where I can brag on
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 14: my staff because they do a phenomenal job. 479 families
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 14: assisted monetarily or with groceries last year.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 15: Oh.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: 479.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: I knew you offer financial assistance. I wasn't aware that
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: you help them with groceries as well.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 14: 1,600 veterans supported with claims filed to the VA free
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 14: of charge and There is nothing on the back end
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 14: where we take any money away. Claremont County taxpayers pay
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 14: so that I can take care of my veterans. Everything
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 14: we do is no charge to our veterans. It's phenomenal service.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Claremont County Veterans Service Commission
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: there to help my Claremont County veteran friends. ClaremontCountyVeterans.com's website.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: You'll help people get signed up for the VA benefits
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: if they can't navigate the process online, Steve.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 14: Brian, if it has anything to do with the VA retirement...
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 14: It's just a phone call away. Come see me. There
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 14: are times I pull people away because the service officers
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 14: are busy. What's going on?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: What do you need?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 14: And we've had to engage commands, trying to get paperwork,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 14: service record books, medical paperwork. I mean, we're going to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 14: go the extra mile to ensure. A veteran may come
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 14: in on a Wednesday when my counselor's not there. It's
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 14: not beyond me to pull them back to my office,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 14: give them a cup of coffee, say, let's talk.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: That's great. Steve, I know that's what gets you out
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: of bed every single day.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Got a smile on your face when you quit the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: work day too.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: And, Yes.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 14: And if I'm not up first thing in the morning,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 14: Big Lou over here kicks me out. He's my motivator, Brian.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: The next in command.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 9: It's 4 a.m.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Are you up yet? Let's go, buddy. ClaremontCountyVeterans.com. That's where
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: you find them. Help my Claremont County Veterans friends in.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: You know, there is a veteran service commission in every county.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 9: Yes, sir.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: So I will recommend that if you're a veteran, get
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: in touch with your county's veteran service order. You're not a,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: you're not a monopoly, Steve.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to be right.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 14: And so it's really about parsing out many hands, make
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 14: light work, go see your county service office. And if
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 14: for some reason you feel they just absolutely can't, here's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 14: the unique thing, Brian, we get calls from Florida for service.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 14: Because former Cincinnatians now living down in Florida are listening
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 14: to your show, and they say, I heard you on
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 14: Brian Thomas, so I'm calling from Florida. I need some
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 14: assistance filing claims. We take care of them.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. This week, yesterday, as.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 14: A matter of fact, a veteran called from Virginia and said,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 14: we have veterans' county offices as well, but mine is
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 14: shut down, and there's no one.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: There to help me.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 14: Can you guys help me? Already taken care of.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: All right, well, that guy's going to get me out
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: of bed tomorrow morning, Steve.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 14: It's the way you do things, right? And thanks for
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 14: what you do because you bring a great voice to Cincinnati.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: It's kind of you to say that, Steve. Just love
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: my veteran friends in the listening audience. and appreciate their
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: service to our country as well as active duty as well.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Just sign up for your VA benefits. Steve and the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: crew at the Claremont County Veteran Service. I hope you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: get through that whole process and so much more. Keep
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: up the great work, my friend.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 14: You got it, brother.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: God bless you. Don't go away. Coming up, Bob Drury,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: the book. The Phantom, the untold story of the American
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Marine the Nazis could not kill. Yeah, that sounds like
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: a movie. We'll talk with Bob after the top of
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: the air news. co-author of the book, which is amazing.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: The phantom, the, the American Marine, the Nazis could not kill.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: If that isn't intriguing enough to buy a copy, which
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: you can easily do going to 55 care, c.iheart.com where
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: a book will be there to you to click on
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: my veteran friends on the heels of my conversation with
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Claremont County veteran services, Steve Belzo, Bob, uh, Tom Claven
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: is your coauthor, Bob during, before we talk about the book, I,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I guess I'm wondering, you've been working, uh, co-authoring with, uh,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: with Tom Claven for what? Two decades now.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 16: It's been too long, too long, Brian, too long. Good
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 16: morning to you, by the way.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Good morning to you, and congratulations. You're an award-winning author,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: multiple books. I know a lot of my listeners in
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: the audience have already read Blood and Treasure, Valley Forge,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Lucky 666, for example, and it's a great team you've
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: got there. But let's talk about your investigative journalism sort
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: of impetus behind this. You scour through old records and things.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: How is it that I have never heard... of the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: subject matter of this book, The Phantom, Major Pierre Pete Ortiz.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: This sounds like something that Hollywood would be clamoring for,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: this story that you've written here about this man and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: his amazing adventures in World War II.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 16: Well, Brian, your mouth to God's ears. We'll see about that. But,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 16: you know, I've got to say something. I know I'm
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 16: supposed to be flogging my book, but your previous guest,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 16: I was so heartened to listen to what he said
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 16: to your interview with him. It was a wonderful interview.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 16: And I don't know if you know or not, you
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 16: probably don't. I was not in the service, but I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 16: did spend 20 years overseas. And such wonderful hell holes
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 16: as Afghanistan and Iraq and Sarajevo and Darfur. And when
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 16: I see, when I hear about veteran services like that,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 16: it just, I don't know, I'm being, it makes my
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 16: heart sore.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 8: It does.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 16: It makes my heart sore. And I just, there's one
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 16: thing that I always say whenever I'm giving a speech
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 16: at a, VFW or the American Legion. You know, I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 16: write about, oftentimes, World War II. This is our fourth
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 16: World War II book between Tom and I. And the
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 16: kids I see, or the kids I saw, I'm too
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 16: old to be running around getting shot at now, but
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 16: the kids I saw overseas, Brian, the sand they have,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 16: it's the same sand that these World War II heroes had. And,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 16: of course, they're all kids to me. And when I
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 16: hear about a veteran services outfit like the one that
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 16: Steve runs, I just, I don't know. I drove up
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 16: to the beach at dawn this morning and watched the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 16: sun come up over the ocean. And it reminded me
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 16: of those kids, whether they were sitting in troop transports
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 16: off North Africa for Operation Torch or off Normandy Beach
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 16: for Operation Overlord. It just, it makes the hair on
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 16: the back of my neck stand up. So anyway, that's
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 16: my advertisement for your show, and I was just really
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 16: heartened to listen to that.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: I cannot thank you enough for doubling down on that.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I have regularly in my
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: 20 years coming up in December on radio focused on veterans' issues.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: You know, and Steve Balzo and the folks at Clement
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: County Veterans Services, of course, renew my faith in humanity.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: The idea that someone would sign on the dotted line
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: and defend our country against these evil forces... It's just,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: that in and of itself is a miracle worth repaying
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: over and over again, so God bless you for that one.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Pivoting over to a man who, that and so much more,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Major Pete Ortiz. This guy, I mean, Hollywood looks badassery,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: cannot be understated. Talk about this. You've got to explain
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: William Wild Bill Donovan, because the precursor to the CIA
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: was the Office of Strategic Services, the OSS. How did
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: he stumble upon Pierre Ortiz, a.k.a. Pete Ortiz?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 16: Well, Pete was, first of all, I had no idea.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 16: When I first heard of Marine, wait a minute, a
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 16: Marine in the European Theater of Operations? No, Marines were Guadalcanal,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 16: Iwo Jima, Tarawa. They were in the Pacific. But then
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 16: we started digging into it a little more. We found out,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 16: quite serendipity, that the OSS was kind of poaching these Marines.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 16: who most of them were multilingual, as Pete was. Pete
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 16: spoke six languages. And dropping them behind Nazi lines. And
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 16: this book actually started out, General Eisenhower wanted to put,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 16: he wasn't a big partisan guy. He didn't trust the partisans,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 16: and he didn't like De Gaulle at all. But he
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 16: realized that he probably needed the French resistance for the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 16: invasion of Normandy. So he started sending these teams in,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 16: to drop behind nazi lines was a brit frenchman an
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 16: american whenever they got there peter ortiz to beat them
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 16: there to beat them to the punch till we were
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 16: in there while while bill had found out about this
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 16: guy who is this who is this marine that was
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 16: behind because he was working for naval intelligence in north
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 16: africa he got shot and he wrote a memo to
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 16: while bill saying naval intelligence diplomatic post i'm not supposed
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 16: to be taking part in any fighting i want to
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 16: fight and while bill who was of course had roosevelt's
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 16: ear and that's how the oss got started said i
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 16: want this guy and then while bill started dropping pete
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 16: behind enemy lines in france and it was just the
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 16: further we dug into pete's life the more we were
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 16: like how have we never heard of this guy before.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly that's the amazing thing you said it was serendipity
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: i One guy in a war that involved millions of people,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: quite literally, with his antics, I mean, he was one
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: of the most decorated Marine officers of the war, and
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: considering the behind-the-enemy lines sabotage he was engaged in, like
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: I said, this is a made-for-Hollywood thing. Talk about some
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: of the missions that Pete Ortiz went on.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 16: Well, when he went in, first of all, we got
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 16: the name for our book, The Nazis, because when Pete
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 16: would drop in, He had two uniforms. One, whenever he
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 16: was on a mission, blowing up a troop train, training
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 16: the French resistance to hit munitions dump, perhaps escorting allied,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 16: shot down allied pilots to neutral Spain, he would always
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 16: wear his Marine uniform. And the Gestapo was well aware,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 16: there's this Marine running behind our lines, Who is this guy?
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 16: And they started calling him Das Phantom. And they put
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 16: a 500,000, well, 500,000, 500,000-franc bounty on his head. And
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 16: they could not catch this guy. So, of course, I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 16: wanted to call the book Das Phantom. And my editor said, yeah,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 16: let's make it for an American audience and call it
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 16: The Phantom. So that's how we came up with the title.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 16: But when Pete would go in and he would drop
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 16: in his first mission, He went in with a Frenchman,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 16: with a Brit, a Royal Army major, and they started
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 16: organizing the French resistance for the invasion of Normandy. And
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 16: there were so many different groups. There were communists. There
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 16: were royalists. There were Gaullists. And he came in, and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 16: they would drop weapons. He had to train these people
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 16: how to use Vickers machine guns, American bazookas. And when
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 16: he finally had them trained up enough, He would don disguises.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 16: He would put on a Gestapo major's uniform, storm into
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 16: a police station, and demand that the Allied pilot they
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 16: were holding be turned over to the Gestapo. And he
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 16: spoke fluent German. He spoke fluent French. They'd give him
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 16: the pilot, and he would escort the pilot on trains
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 16: across country to Spain. And his other disguise was his
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 16: father had been a museum director in New York City.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 16: His father was of French and Spanish heritage, and that's
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 16: how he was trilingual growing up. And he would don
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 16: this cape and this dark suit and this ascot, and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 16: he would go into cafes and bistros where all these
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 16: big-wig Nazis were hanging out, and he would swan about,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 16: buy them champagne, and pretend that he was a dissolute,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 16: out-of-work Parisian fashion designer. And he would find out all
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 16: this information... where hidden airfields were. The next day, he
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 16: and the French resistance would be out bombing the airfield,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 16: or attacking the airfield. And it was a pleasure to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 16: research and write this book, because it was just something
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 16: that was so beyond the can. If I told you
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 16: this story, you would say, oh, it's a novel, right?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 16: And I'd say, no, it's true.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: It's true. This all happened.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 16: Who knew? So that's a long-winded answer to your question.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry for that. Great answer. And you know what? I mean,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: what strength of character that you have enough confidence in
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: yourself and enough, I'll just call it badassery, that you
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: can literally walk in right in the heart of your
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: enemy and get away with it.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: I mean... And when he.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 16: Go ahead.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 12: No, no, no.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just amazed because, you know, what kind of confidence
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: would it take to do that? And how much confidence
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: do you have? in your ability to speak German fluently,
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: but without any accent, which might give it away that
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: you are not really German. I mean, it's just amazing.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 16: Right, and he was kind of a wild child. And
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 16: his father thought, well, I better give him an education
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 16: on the continent. This is before World War II. And
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 16: he kept running away. And finally, when he turned 18,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 16: he ran away to Marseille and he joined the French
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 16: Foreign Legion. And he fought for six years in North
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 16: Africa with the French Foreign Legion. While he was in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 16: North Africa, he learned Arabic. And so when war broke
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 16: out and we needed someone behind Nazi lines in North Africa,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 16: he and a British radio operator and five Spaniards who
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 16: had all been in the Legion with him They donned
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 16: what T.E. Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia, called Arab kit, the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 16: flowing rose, the head pieces. And he would take and
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 16: they would ride camels behind the Nazi lines, blowing up munitions, dumps,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 16: attacking tanks. And I mean, this kid, 19 years old,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 16: he's doing this. So, of course, when Donovan finds out, A,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 16: what this guy's experience is, B, he's now joined the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 16: United States Marines. and C, he speaks all these languages.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 16: Donovan just said, I need this guy. And that was
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 16: one of the more interesting things. I did not know.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 16: Pete was one of 300 Marines who served in Europe
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 16: working for the OSS. And some of the people, Brian,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 16: Julia Child, you remember her?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, of course.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 16: She started as a typist in the OSS typing pool,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 16: but she was a wonderful swimmer, and she worked her
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 16: way up to the head of of the Sea Rescue
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 16: Division of the OSS. Remember the godfather, Sergeant McCluskey, who
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 16: Al Pacino shoots in the head in the Italian restaurant?
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 16: Sterling Hayden played that. He played General Jack D. Ripper
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 16: in the Stanley Kubrick movie, and then he played that
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 16: dirty police officer. Sterling Hayden, who had dropped out of
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 16: high school and became a merchant seaman, when Donovan found
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 16: out about him, He poached him from the Marines, and
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 16: Sterling Hayden started running guns to Tito's partisans in Yugoslavia. Oh,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 16: my God. The more we delved into this, the more
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 16: kind of a metaphorical jaw drop at, wow, what these
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 16: guys were doing and what they became and who they were.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 16: And here's the kicker. When President Roosevelt decided, when we
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 16: got right before the war, he said, we need an
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 16: international spy agency. The United States did not have one.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 16: General Washington had one during the Revolution. He disbanded it.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 16: There were some Pinkertons during the Civil War, but in general,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 16: we did not have a central clearinghouse for intelligence. So
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 16: President Roosevelt says, we need one. And he taps his
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 16: old law school buddy, Bill Donovan, General William Donovan. Wild Bill,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 16: they called him because he won the Medal of Honor
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 16: in World War I, fighting for the Irish, the Fighting 69th.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 16: So Donovan is standing up this intelligence, and everybody in
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 16: Washington hates it. The State Department hates it. The Army G2,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 16: Army Intelligence hates it. Naval Intelligence hates it. But who
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 16: hates it the most is J. Edgar Hoover. He says, no, no, no.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 16: That's my turf.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: That's my turf.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 16: But anyway, so Donovan pushes through, and he finds Ortiz,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 16: and he says, and he tells... uh... president roosevelt here's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 16: what we're doing we're gonna drop these people in uh...
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 16: whether it's sterling hayden yugoslavia whether it's pure cheese in
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 16: north africa and france uh... we're gonna drop these people
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 16: in and they're going to organize the local partisans so
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 16: roosevelt is all for this as you well know roosevelt
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 16: was in a wheelchair and he called wild bill donovan
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 16: he's my legs this guy's my leg and donovan was
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 16: not he had all these he wanted to put frogmen
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 16: into the rind He came up with an idea to
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 16: somehow inundate Hitler with pornography and drive him mad. One
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 16: of his OSS operatives came to him with the idea,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 16: why don't we get a million bats and we'll transport
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 16: them off the Japanese coast and we'll tie little incendiary
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 16: devices to them. Then we'll let them free and they'll
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 16: fly into Tokyo. It's a wooden city. And when the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 16: incendiary devices explode, Tokyo will burn. Donovan was all for.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: This crazy stuff. That's great.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 16: He had to be talked off a ledge for a
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 16: lot of them. Like somebody had to say, yes, okay,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 16: General Donovan, exactly where are we going to store a
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 16: million bats on a submarine? Can you tell me that?
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: Good morning to my submariner friend, Mike, who's listening right now.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: I could go on all day with you, man. You've
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: got to get a copy of the book, my listening audience,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: The Phantom, The Untold Story of the American Marine, The
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Nazis Could Not Kill. By my guest this morning, Bob Drury,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: and his co-author, Tom Clavin, a dynamic duo, been together
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: for about 20 years, churning out wonderful books. I'm glad
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: you stumbled upon this story. I'm glad you put pen
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: to paper. It sounds like it's really inspiring. We need
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: men like Major Pierre Pete Ortiz, and they're out there.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: God bless you, Bob. It's been a real pleasure talking
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: with you, man.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 16: Brian, you're a good man, and I thank you very
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 16: much for having me on.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: It has been my pleasure. Get a copy of the book, 55KRC. iHeart. com.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: And stick around. Judge Ann Napolitano is coming up next.
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• 1:54:11
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• 1:54:16
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• 1:54:21
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to do. The judge is next, Chuck Ingram, 55KRC,
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  Speaker 2: 55KRC, the talk station. Of course, it is that time
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: of the week I always look forward to. And I
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: know Chuck Ingram does as well. He gets his intro.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: Judge Anadopalitana, welcome back to the morning show, my friend.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: He is so clever, and so are you, Brian.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Good morning.
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  Speaker 5: A pleasure to be with you, although I can't see
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: you today.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: I apologize for that, but I always say, without Joe,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: the show don't go. Now, that's not an insult to Danny,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: who's doing a great job of covering for the vacationing
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: Joe Strecker, but when you oversleep, as Brian Thomas did
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: this morning, and you're back on your heels anyway, it
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't add to the fun when Joe Strecker's not around.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: So I've been kind of firing on half of my
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: cylinders this morning, Judge, and I am glad to have
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: you here to save me from myself. And you know what?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: Right out of the gate. And I love your column
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: because this is something that I'm sure no one really
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: gave much of a thought to. It's a headline. Prosecutor's
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Dilemma comes out at midnight. I'm fortunate to get an
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: early copy of the column. But you start off with
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Ben Franklin. Excuse me. He's better than 100 guilty persons
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: should escape than one innocent person should suffer. And that's
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: kind of my point about the death penalty. I don't
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: believe in the death penalty because I don't think the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: state should be able to take a life because sometimes
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: they screw up and innocent people are convicted.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: Right, right.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Sometimes because of a lynch mob effect.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: The death penalty because the government's power comes from the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 7: consent of the governed. And the governed don't have the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 7: power to kill somebody unless it's in self-defense. And a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: human being that's locked in a cage for the rest
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 7: of his or her life is hardly an.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: Impetus for self-defense.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: Government killing spawns other people killing. You'll see that happen
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: right after the firing squad execution of a very sick
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: man in a wheelchair that President Trump just authorized. But
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: what we're talking about today is Cornell and the dilemma
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: faced by prosecutors. The prosecutors believe a crime was committed.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: They believe they know who the victim is. They believe
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: they know who committed the crime. But they probably don't
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: believe that they can prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 7: Can they charge these people? The answer under the law
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: is very clear, and it's no. The government cannot bring
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 7: a criminal case because the crowd wants one, because social
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: policy demands one, because to quell an outrage, they can
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 7: only bring a criminal case if they can prove it
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: Well, how is it that a prosecutor can even make
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: that determination? that, hmm, I'm looking at the evidence, and yeah,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: there's some pretty damning evidence here. However, any good defense
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: lawyer can raise this as an objection, point to the
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: contrary statements, bring a reasonable doubt. This is an easy
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: case to create reasonable doubt, but, you know, we saw
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: that 11-1 jury verdict in that case where that woman
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: murdered her three children, and one man stood up against it, but,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: you know, you you can convince a jury with very,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: very emotional circumstances that a person's guilty, even when they're not,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: that's the fear I have. But how does a prosecutor
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: know ahead of time to make that determination? Cause I
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: hear some people saying, well, no, go ahead and at
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: least give it a try. Even though you do quite
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: know if there's enough there to make a case, then
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: why don't you go ahead and do it?
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 7: They probably will just go ahead and do it because the, the,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: prosecution is now in the hands of politicians. The governor
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: running for re-election and the attorney general who runs for re-election,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 7: I believe, in two years. I'm not demeaning their intellectual honesty.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying they're going to be drawn to do
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 7: what they think is most popular. The government has to make,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 7: professional prosecutors have to make a professional judgment. And if
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 7: you've been a judge for a number of years or
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: a prosecutor for a number of years, you have a
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: good feel as to how this is going to go.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 7: You assign to senior prosecutors to make the case that
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: there is enough evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 7: You assign to other senior prosecutors to make the case
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 7: that there's not enough evidence to prove guilt beyond a
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 7: reasonable doubt, and you hash it out. You don't attach
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 7: your intellect to one theory or the other. You have,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 7: as the chief prosecutor, an open mind based on the evidence,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: based on the law as articulated by your senior most assistants,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: and then you make the call. The public will not
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 7: understand if they decide not to prosecute. The public outcry
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 7: to go after these guys, even though apparently some of
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 7: them just stood around and some of them are too
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 7: drunk to remember what happened. And some of them can't
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: be identified by the victim because she was too drunk
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: and drugged. It's not an easy case to make a
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 7: decision against prosecution that will be a popular one.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: And this is.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 7: Also a problem when the prosecutors are popularly elected as
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 7: opposed to appointed by the governor, as in other states.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: In New York, prosecutors and judges are all properly elected.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: So I can't predict which way it's going to go.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 7: If you forced me to predict, I would say she
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 7: will prosecute because that's the popular thing to do. That's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: not the right thing. It's not the right reason to
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 7: do it. if she believes the evidence can support guilt
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: beyond a reasonable doubt, then she must prosecute. If she
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 7: doesn't believe that, then she can't prosecute. Her political career
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 7: be damned.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. That's the ethical obligation that's owed, and I understand that.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: You know, pivoting over, Your Honor, as I'm hearing you,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: the concerns about getting re-elected and the image in the
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: public for these positions, what about the jury? I mean,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: I know voir dire is supposed to reveal biases in
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: the jury, but this is a case that everyone is
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: going to have heard about, and the lynch mob effect
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: is out there in full view. That has a profound
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: influence on the jury, and maybe jurors can also be
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: convinced that, well, everybody wants this person convicted, and even
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: though I kind of question the evidence a little bit,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: and I do have some reasonable doubt, I'm going to
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: go ahead and convict him anyway because that's what everybody
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: seems to want. That's a real concern these days of
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: doxing and internet.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: That is a very real concern.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: And I would think if she prosecutes on the basis
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 7: of what we know about the case, half the case
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 7: will be thrown out before it even gets to the
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: jury because this poor girl, she can't identify who actually
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: raped her. She is 100% sure she was raped, but
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 7: she doesn't know by whom. One of the guys, she
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: texted and said, I enjoyed being with you and Matt
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 7: and would do it again. So there's a lot of
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 7: countervailing evidence here, a lot of confusion, a lot of
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  Speaker 7: memories that are far from the precision we look for
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  Speaker 7: in criminal cases because they were influenced by alcohol and drugs.
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  Speaker 5: Now, let me say this for the victim.
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  Speaker 7: It is not uncommon for a victim of rape to
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  Speaker 7: feel such shame and embarrassment that her mental defense mechanisms
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  Speaker 7: have convinced her it didn't happen. And then those defense
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 7: mechanisms eventually dissipate with the passage of time. I know
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 7: this from psychiatric testimony, but I observed it and in
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 7: which I participated, if the government didn't ask the right questions,
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  Speaker 7: in my courtroom. So if they're going to put her
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  Speaker 7: on the stand, They're going to have to put psychiatrists
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  Speaker 7: on the stand as well to explain to the jury
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  Speaker 7: why she didn't say it was rape in the five
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  Speaker 7: interviews she gave in the weeks following it, but two
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 7: years later believes it was rape. That does not mean
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 7: she was lying. That is just the way the human
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  Speaker 7: mind operates to protect the body from the consequences of
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 7: a horrific event.
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  Speaker 2: Understood. without question. Very complicated, but going back to the prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: they have an obligation to everyone to make sure they
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: have proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. So if
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: you had to call a tea leaf read on this one,
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  Speaker 2: you think they're going to move ahead, go ahead and
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: do the prosecution in spite of the fact that some
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: of the guys can't be identified.
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  Speaker 7: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 7: And then if anybody is acquitted or if the case
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  Speaker 7: is dismissed as to the ones that can't be identified, uh,
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  Speaker 7: The burden, the public outrage will shift from the prosecutor
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 7: to the judge or to the jury.
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  Speaker 2: To the jury.
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  Speaker 7: What juror wants to go through what this guy went
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: through in.
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  Speaker 5: The Clancy case?
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  Speaker 7: In my opinion, he made an intellectually honest and prudent
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 7: judgment on the basis of the evidence before him. And
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 7: he's been drawn and quartered in the papers.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And no one speaking about the death of those three children.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: If they do, it's only parenthetically. It's all empathy for
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: the woman, that poor woman, that poor woman who murdered
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: three of her own children?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get it. Judge Ann Napolitano, that's why I
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: have you to talk about these important and interesting things. Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Not exactly breakfast time talk, but I appreciate the forum, Brian,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: and I appreciate your fabulous questions on all of this.
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  Speaker 7: Next week, I hope it See you again.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely you will, assuming Joe Strecker decides to come
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: back to work. And that is a big, outstanding question
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: looming out in the world, Your Honor. Judge Anadopal, time.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Judging Freedom is his podcast. Usual cast of characters for Wednesday, sir?
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 7: Yes, Colonel Douglas McGregor and Phil Giraldi. McGregor, very, very
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 7: gloomy character. about the duration of the Ukraine and Iran
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 7: wars and explain why.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that. Anyway, Judge Ann Napolitano will be listening,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: checking out your podcast, judging freedom, and we'll talk to
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: you next Wednesday, every Wednesday. I look forward to this
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: time of the week. It's one of my favorite times
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: of week, sir, and God bless you for spending time
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: with my listeners and me on a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Brian.
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  Speaker 7: All the best to you and Joe and Danny.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: Bye-bye. Thanks a lot. Danny's got a grin on his face.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Judge Anapolitano, it's 841 right now. We've got some time
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: to talk before the end of the program. Call me.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: 850-855-KRCB Talk Station. Thank you to the couple of callers
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: who called in. Been having quite a struggle this.
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  Speaker 3: Morning.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Anyway, let's start with Bobby. Bobby was first, so Bob,
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: hold on a second. I see you're on the call screen.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: Don't want you to confuse it with Bobby, who's on
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: the line right now. Bobby, welcome to the morning show.
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  Speaker 10: Well, good morning, my brother, Faith Flag family, and God
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 10: bless the Jewish community on such a somber day today.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. October 7th, a date that will
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: live in infamy. You know, I'm sorry I didn't even
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: mention that today, Bobby. I've been so confused since I
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: overslept this morning. It's been kind of a struggle for
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: me today, but I appreciate you bringing it up. Better
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: late than never on the 55 KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of topics to discussion, my friend.
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  Speaker 10: You can't hit them all in a short period of time.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: I understand that, and I think the community does also.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 10: One thing I'd like to mention is in the Cincinnati area,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 10: we have about 1,200 Jewish families. Of those 1,200 Jewish families,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 10: they're registered about 90% plus Democrats. I hope that this
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 10: can be a somber day to let them realize that
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 10: do not vote Democrat.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: It's not the Democratic Party as it used to be.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. I have never understood The Jewish people
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: being generally wed, much in the way African-Americans, black folks
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: are wed to the Democrat Party. It's just assumed by
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: Democrats that they are going to get the vote. But
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: it seems to me one of the creeping realities of
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: the Democrat Party and the Big Tent, Bobby, is that
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: they have embraced an anti-Israel concept. They have embraced the
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: Palestinian community to the exclusion of the Israelis. They have
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: embraced some pretty radical anti-Semitic people and welcomed them into
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: the party. Why Big Tent? You don't see the Republicans
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: welcoming the Klan into their party, do you, Bobby? Or
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: crowing about, well, we got a big tent. We'll take
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: all comers. Do you, Bobby?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 5: No, sir.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 5: All they did was want to gather up every splinter
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: group they could.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: Like what's going on in France right now, isn't it?
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 10: There's no doubt, my friend. 10 days is going to
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 10: tell a lot about it. They're about $ 3. 6 trillion in debt.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 10: And they cannot get anybody like Germany did before to
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 10: bail them out. They're going under.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: You may be right about that. The more I read
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: about it, you mentioned that a couple days ago on
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: the morning show, and the more I'm starting to think
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: you may be right and what an amazing, tragic, scary
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: reality that might be. Bobby, thanks for calling and bringing
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: up the Jewish people and reminding me that I should
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: have been aware of it since the microphone came on
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: this morning yeah it's october 7th and that should reason
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: that should mean something to literally everyone bob thank you
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: for holding welcome to the morning show sir.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 5: Good morning, Brian. Good to talk to you this morning.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: Glad you called.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to bring up.
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  Speaker 13: That bat bombing of Japan.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 15: I tend to study World War II, and there was
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 15: a Pennsylvania dentist who came up with the idea, and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 15: he was friends with Mrs.
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  Speaker 3: Roosevelt.
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  Speaker 15: That's how he got approval for the project to begin with.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 15: But the idea was they were going to put these
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 15: bats to sleep with little thermite patches on and put
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 15: them in a bomb.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 5: They were dropping from an airplane.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 15: And this bomb would open like an accordion on a parachute.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 15: And these bats would then fly out and go down
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  Speaker 15: and burn up the cities in Japan.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: They tested it one time to show.
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  Speaker 15: A general that it worked.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: And all it managed to.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 15: Do was burn down their research facility. So, uh, That's
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 15: kind of what happened with that project. But I believe
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 15: the OSS would have loved the idea. So I think
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 15: he was right about the general there that liked it,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 15: but it wasn't going to go by sub.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: It was going to go by aircraft.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you bringing that up. I had mentioned
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: out loud my submariner friend, Corbidge Michael, I'm going to
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: see today at listener lunch, by the way, Jim and
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Jackson on the river. He was listening. He said, I'm
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: buying that book without question. It's called The Phantom, The
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: Untold Story of the American Marine the Nazis Could Not Kill.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: He sent me a picture of the USS Batfish, which
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: is a sub known primarily for sinking three Imperial Japanese Navy.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: He said it under the caption, this is the sub
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: they were going to use to deliver the bats. Hey,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: it's wartime. You got an idea? Just say it out loud.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: Bob, there's a sub that sank a train.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, that one's a new one too.
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  Speaker 15: Well, yeah, I don't remember the thing, but I'm just
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 15: waking up myself.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: So I don't like you.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: I overslept.
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  Speaker 2: God bless you, Bob. You have a wonderful day, my friend.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you calling in this morning. And yes, I apologize.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: It has been a struggle for you today, but you
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: know what? I got an amazing email not too long
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: ago because I've been, you know, again, I overslept and
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: I just been having my thoughts a little bit messed up,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: messed up this morning. And thank you. And God bless you, Steve.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: I love my listening audience. You guys are absolutely the
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: best people out there. And here's an illustration. He said,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: no matter where I travel, I always listen to your show,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: whether that's Florida, Chicago, overseas, California, whatever. And when you're
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: having a bad day, I found if you could make
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: somebody else laugh or make yourself laugh and make fun
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: of what's pissing you off, it dissolves and go goes away. Cheers, Stevie.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that, Steve. That really hit home today. And
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: thank you very much for that, uh, that little effort,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: you know, little things like that can really make one's day.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: And I know my day is made already, but it's
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: going to be made even better at listener lunch today.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: Jim and Jackson on the river is a place to be.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: If you care to stop by, I am looking forward
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: to Hanging out with the listeners this morning, get myself
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: a bite to eat, and it's the last one before
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: the election, so maybe we can generate some motivation to
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: go out and vote. Yes, a continuing theme here on
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: the morning show through the election. Oh, by the way,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: you can go vote today. Have a wonderful day. Go
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: to 55KRC. iHeart. com where Danny has updated the webpage and get
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Jack Atherton's commentary, how a single ballot can change history. Ah,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: going back to a theme. Don O'Neill. with the FightSocialism.com campaign.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: This is what we're doing. Steve Belzo, Clement County Veterans Services.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: God bless him and all the Veterans Service Commissioner officers
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: and everybody who's working to help the American veteran. Bob
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: Drury's book, The Phantom, which I just mentioned, and Judge
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: Napolitano on the blog page, our podcast page, 55KRC. iheart. com. Tune
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: in tomorrow, the return of Congressman Warren Davidson and iHeartMedia
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: aviation expert Jay Ratliff. Have a wonderful day, folks. I
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: hope to see you at lunchtime, but don't go away.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: Glenn Beck is next.