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If Derek Carr Can't Go vs. Commanders, Do Saints Turn To Spencer Rattler Or Jake Haener? · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: the Giants, but they lost Derek Carr in the process.
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  Speaker 1: If you weren't watching the game, about four minutes to
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  Speaker 1: go in the ballgame, the Saints are up fourteen to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: They're facing a second and ten. Derek Carr rolls right
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  Speaker 1: and pinned up against the sideline. He goes airborne, lands
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  Speaker 1: awkwardly on his not his left non throwing hands stayed down.
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  Speaker 1: After the game, Darren Rizzy noted that Car injured his
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  Speaker 1: left hand, but was also in the concussion protocol and
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  Speaker 1: he'd be evaluated so on Monday, Ian Rappaport reported that
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr actually Sunday after the game, he reported Carr
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  Speaker 1: was feared of suffered a fracture in his non throwing hand.
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  Speaker 1: On Monday, Rappaport confirmed that Carr did in fact suffer
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  Speaker 1: a significt I'm reading his tweet, a significant fracture in
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  Speaker 1: his non throwing hand. He's expected to miss several weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Based on where we are in the season, this is
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  Speaker 1: potentially season ending. Darren Rizzy met with reporters on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: This was after Rappaport's report about the significant fracture and
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  Speaker 1: a potentially season ending injury to Carr. Here was Rizzy
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  Speaker 1: on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've already seen some reports out there a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, a little bit false. So right now, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: like I said yesterday, Derek's dealing with a non throwing
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  Speaker 2: hand injury as it stands at this moment, I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe it's going to be an eye our situation. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a week to week situation. So
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna kind of take this day by day this week,
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how this week plays out. He is in
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  Speaker 2: the concussion protocol also, so he's got to complete the
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  Speaker 2: first step of that tomorrow, so that it is a
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  Speaker 2: double aspect in terms of the injury you're dealing with both,
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  Speaker 2: So we got to obviously to see what happens there.
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  Speaker 2: But this will be a day to day right now
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  Speaker 2: this week, and really I think it's gonna end up
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  Speaker 2: being a week too. The way it looks, it'll end
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  Speaker 2: up being a week to week situation with him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so week to week. They're not putting Derek Carr
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  Speaker 1: on If if they put him on IR, his season
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  Speaker 1: would be over. So they're not putting Derek Carr on
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  Speaker 1: injured reserve, meaning he'd be eligible. I mean, he's still
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  Speaker 1: available to play if he's physically able. He does have
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  Speaker 1: to clear concussion protocol, as you heard him say there,
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  Speaker 1: and Rizzy was very clear they asked him about Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: this coming Sunday against Washington.
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  Speaker 3: We're not gonna ru him out just yet.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have to see how the next day
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  Speaker 2: or two, what the healing process is like, and see
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  Speaker 2: if he can function. But again, don't forget we're also
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the other aspect.
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  Speaker 3: Too, So.
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  Speaker 1: Again just we'll wait and see about this week. It's
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  Speaker 1: his left non throwing hand, so it doesn't affect his
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  Speaker 1: ability to throw, Like, can you take a snap under center?
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  Speaker 1: Can you deal with the pain? Is he gonna wear
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  Speaker 1: a club all that stuff. I don't know so, but
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  Speaker 1: again they're not rolling him out yet. But concussion is
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  Speaker 1: a part of that as well. I do have some
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  Speaker 1: thoughts and listen, it's disappointing because, like we talked about
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  Speaker 1: back when Carr got hurt against Kansas City, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: my feelings on Derek Carr big picture, which I've been
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  Speaker 1: very upfront, literally from the day the Saint signed Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: he has a higher floor, lower ceiling. Like with Derek Carr,
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  Speaker 1: your floor isn't two and fifteen, you have a higher floor,
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  Speaker 1: which you have a lower ceiling. Eleven years is a
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL. We know what Derek Carr is.
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  Speaker 1: He is a lower mid upper, low tier quarter starting quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: still a starting quarterback, still one of the greatest quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: in the world. But he's never gonna win you anything
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  Speaker 1: of significance. Like we have a large enough sample size
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  Speaker 1: now eleven years to know what he is. He is,
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  Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, you can all roll your eyes and scoff
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  Speaker 1: at that, but I'd said at the day they signed him,
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  Speaker 1: he looked at the stats. They are identical players. Derek
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  Speaker 1: Carr is Andy Dalton. He's a starting quarter He's a
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL. He's just not an elite
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL and never will be now.
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  Speaker 1: As he gets older, you wonder about durability and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things like that. But he is still a
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  Speaker 1: better option right now than Jay Cayner or Spencer Ratler.
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  Speaker 1: So if you can have Derek Carr, of course you
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  Speaker 1: want Derek Carr. Rizzy was asked point blank, and I
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  Speaker 1: would go a little deeper. He was as point blank,
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  Speaker 1: if Derek, if this is an injury that Derek Carr
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  Speaker 1: can play can play through.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say this, It's been done before.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was justin Herbert off the
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  Speaker 2: top of my head, or Josh Allen or whoever it was,
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  Speaker 2: has had these injuries before. With this non throwing hand,
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  Speaker 2: it appears at the moment that it's non surgical, which
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  Speaker 2: is a big aspect of it.
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  Speaker 3: And if it was.
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  Speaker 2: Surgical, we'd be talking about having a different conversation, which
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  Speaker 2: is why this is going to remain day to day,
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  Speaker 2: week to week type of thing. And so, but it
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  Speaker 2: has been done before. Like I said, we're also dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the concussion aspect of it. So we have to
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  Speaker 2: we have to make sure he's clear there from that aspect,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll take, you know, one step at a time.
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  Speaker 2: It clear as a concussion, then we'll see if you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be able to function.
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  Speaker 3: He's obviously sore today. It's the day after the injury.
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  Speaker 2: So when I say day to day, we'll see how
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  Speaker 2: he follows up with the you know everything, swelling, all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see where he's at moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm a little torn on the injury itself, on
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  Speaker 1: the play itself, which I guess we have to talk about. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's one part of me that looks at it and goes, man,
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  Speaker 1: you love to see that from your veteran leader. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're a you're a you're a four and eight football team.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a three point game, four minutes to go,
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  Speaker 1: it's second and ten. You're trying to make a play.
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  Speaker 1: He goes airborne. Like that part of it you love.
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  Speaker 1: The other part of it is you go, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta be smarter than that. It was second down.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the game is on the line, you're
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  Speaker 1: up three. It's second and ten. If he runs out
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  Speaker 1: of bounds or even puts his shoulder down and goes out.
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  Speaker 1: You got nine yards. Now you get two downs to
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  Speaker 1: get one like and I understand you haven't run the
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  Speaker 1: ball very well. That's a dangerous play obviously, know when
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  Speaker 1: thinks you're gonna get injured in the manner he did. So,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like come out and say that again.
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  Speaker 3: I'm torn.
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  Speaker 1: I love the fact, love the fact that in that
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  Speaker 1: moment he's doing everything he can to get that extra
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  Speaker 1: yard for his team. Love that. Don't love the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it wasn't very very smart thing to do in
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  Speaker 1: the moment, considering the down and distance. But again, I
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  Speaker 1: love the fact that he has that mindset right there.
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  Speaker 1: And of course the decision not to put him on
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  Speaker 1: IR does leave open the possibility of returning. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: how likely that may be. Now. As far as what
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  Speaker 1: you do moving forward with Hayner or Rattler if Carr
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  Speaker 1: is out, there's that question. And look, let's be very clear.
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  Speaker 1: You had three games where Spencer Round started. In those
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  Speaker 1: three games, you averaged fifteen points per game. You were
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  Speaker 1: not very good offensively, and yes, one of those was
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  Speaker 1: against the Chargers, which at the time was the best
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  Speaker 1: scoring defense in the NFL again, had three games, it
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  Speaker 1: was Tampa Bay. Let's say it was Tampa the who
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  Speaker 1: am I forgetting?
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  Speaker 3: Load? What with this load?
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  Speaker 1: Who am I forgetting? Tampa Bay? Broncos Broncos? And Thursday
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  Speaker 1: Night Football is Tampa Broncos and the Chargers. You scored
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven against Tampa, ten against Denver, and then eight
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  Speaker 1: against the Chargers. That was with Rattler starting. The other
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  Speaker 1: ten games with Derek Carr starting, you've averaged twenty four
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  Speaker 1: and a half points per game. Now, if you eliminate
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  Speaker 1: the first two, which you can't do, but it's clearly
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  Speaker 1: been a dramatically different season than the first two games.
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  Speaker 1: You've averaged nineteen points per game with Derek Carr outside
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  Speaker 1: of the first two, which had been more than norm
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  Speaker 1: fifteen with Rattlers. So it's not like it's been a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic difference. But if you do take into the count
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  Speaker 1: of the first two games, you're averaging nearly ten points
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  Speaker 1: more per game with Derek Carr than the three that
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have him. So the question now becomes Hayin
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  Speaker 1: or Rattler if Carr can't go. Darren Rizzy was asked
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  Speaker 1: on Monday how they're gonna split the reps in practice
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  Speaker 1: this week. But then also what goes into the decision
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  Speaker 1: to choose between Rattler, who started three times and Hayner,
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  Speaker 1: who's been the backup when car has been injured.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta be.
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  Speaker 2: Honest, I actually feel I'm not trying to play defense
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  Speaker 2: sitter here. I actually think both guys give us a
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  Speaker 2: chance to win. I think obviously, the last time Derek
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  Speaker 2: was out for extended period of time, we decided to
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  Speaker 2: go with Spencer. I think Jake and both guys I
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  Speaker 2: think had performed well right since training camp, and so
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  Speaker 2: you know, I thought in that last go around, we
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  Speaker 2: felt like Spencer gave us the best chance to start.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, that's where we're going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of list all the hey pros and cons who are
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  Speaker 2: playing with defense. What's the game plan? Here are the weapons,
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  Speaker 2: and so that's the all the things we're gonna discuss today.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have a decision bout that private tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, who you're playing this week, of course, is is Washington. Now,
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  Speaker 1: remember in the NFL schedule wise, today's a recovery day.
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  Speaker 1: They'll all be in the building getting treatment. Tuesday is
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  Speaker 1: an off day in the NFL. Then they're at practice
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  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and that's when we'll see the first injury report.
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  Speaker 1: So when he says we'll make a decision Tuesday, of course,
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  Speaker 1: that's when you can start implementing, you know, strategizing the
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  Speaker 1: game plan. So Wednesday, when they're all back boom, you're
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  Speaker 1: hitting the ground running with whoever your starter is, getting
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  Speaker 1: all the starters reps that week, you know, I know
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  Speaker 1: there's probably not probably there is this feeling that maybe
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  Speaker 1: you need to go ahead and give Jake Hayner a
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  Speaker 1: try because it didn't go great with Rattler when he
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  Speaker 1: had started the three games. It's important to remember, like
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler is a rookie quarterback in the NFL and
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  Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks struggle. I mean, Caleb Williams was the number
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  Speaker 1: one pick.
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  Speaker 3: In the draft.
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  Speaker 1: He's the quote unquote transcendent talent, right and I know
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  Speaker 1: that's overused, but it's something everybody says. He's the can't
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  Speaker 1: miss prospect, the number one player. Caleb Williams right now
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  Speaker 1: is a QBR of forty six point three in a
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  Speaker 1: rating of eighty seven point eight. He's done some pretty
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  Speaker 1: good things in the last few weeks in particular, but
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  Speaker 1: it's been a struggle bus year for Caleb Williams, as
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  Speaker 1: it is for most rookies. I mean, Peyton Manning is
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. He threw more interceptions
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  Speaker 1: as a rookie than any player in the history of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, and they went three and thirteen. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL for rookie quarterbacks. You could look at
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  Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, but he's the outlier. He's the exception, certainly
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  Speaker 1: not the rule. Look at Bryce Young. Bryce Young was
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  Speaker 1: miserable a year ago, so much so them at this
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  Speaker 1: year's trade deadline, we're looking going, is he a bus Like?
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  Speaker 1: Do they trade him at this year's trade deadline and
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  Speaker 1: already move on? When all of a sudden in the
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  Speaker 1: last month, Bryce Young looks like a different player, like
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  Speaker 1: he's figured some things out. That's a year and a
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  Speaker 1: half in for Bryce Young, Rattler's three games in, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to judge Rattler's long term ability based
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  Speaker 1: on the outcome of three games where he was starting
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  Speaker 1: behind a makeshift offensive line without some of his best weapons.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know which direction they go here, I
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  Speaker 1: think for my perspective though, I'm looking at Han and
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  Speaker 1: Rattler going, Okay, these coaches, this staff see these guys
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  Speaker 1: every day. They see him in camp, they've seen him
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  Speaker 1: in games, they seen him in game week and prep
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  Speaker 1: and everything. Which guy has the higher upside? Which guy
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  Speaker 1: do you think has the higher upside based on what
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  Speaker 1: you've seen? And that's who you have to start, because
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to get through it with these guys,
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  Speaker 1: the early the young player struggles to get them to
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  Speaker 1: a point where they're may be capable of being your
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  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, your starter in the NFL, like, you gotta
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  Speaker 1: get him reps in an experience. But I'm not saying, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: Rattler struggled for three games, so you punt on him
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  Speaker 1: and you go with Hayner. I mean he's a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: If you still see upside, then I say, well, Ratler
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  Speaker 1: got that experience. He's got more experience now than Haynter.
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  Speaker 1: You go with the more experienced backup who's been in
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  Speaker 1: those situations. Let's see if he can continue to progress. Now, Roydes,
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  Speaker 1: you get four games left, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Derek car is going to be able to go. But
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  Speaker 1: when you look at total defense of your four remaining opponents,
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  Speaker 1: Washington's twelfth, Green Bay thirteenth, the Raiders are fifteenth, and
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  Speaker 1: the Bucks are twenty seventh. So you got three teams
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  Speaker 1: around the middle a little better than the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, and then the Bucks, who are one of
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  Speaker 1: the worst defensively in the NFL. You get two games
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  Speaker 1: at home, including this weekend. I know there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a contingent that wants to see Jake Hayner out
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  Speaker 1: there because it didn't go great for Ratler. I'm more
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  Speaker 1: of the belief to say, let me see Ratler again.
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  Speaker 1: He got the opportunity. Now he had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: sit and watch. What does it look like if he
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  Speaker 1: gets to go again. Remember earlier this year Bryce Young
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  Speaker 1: got benched, and I was coming back from that benching.
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  Speaker 1: He's played better of late.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Brys Young had some Houdini.
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  Speaker 1: Plays in that game yesterday against Philadelphia Eagles. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you it's gonna look great. But that's just where
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  Speaker 1: I am here on Monday, just finding out the Derek
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  Speaker 1: Carr injury a few hours ago. If Kart isn't able
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  Speaker 1: to go, I think I'm rolling with Ratler again. The
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff's already said they feel like he has the
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  Speaker 1: higher upside. He's the one that gives him the best
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  Speaker 1: chance to win. Let me see if that's a guy,
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  Speaker 1: then go make play. Having had an opportunity to start,
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  Speaker 1: now watch give them another go.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: We'll obviously have the latest, says the week goes along.