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RAFA JODAR & THE ABOMINABLE GARBAGE GRAVY · Pod Laver Arena

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  Speaker 1: God, it is confronting when you see one. They're so gross.
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  Speaker 2: You think Chewbacca had one?
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting question. I mean, he was very good
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  Speaker 1: on the back. You wouldn't be surprised if he didn't
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  Speaker 1: because he wasn't a normal dog-type animal.
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  Speaker 2: He was dog-ish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he walked on his back legs. You never
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  Speaker 1: saw him get horny.
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  Speaker 2: Show me perfect tennis. Wow. Oh, no way. All right,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to Tennis FM. You're here with Friggy and
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  Speaker 2: the Tons.
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  Speaker 1: The rebrand. The rebrand.
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  Speaker 2: A huge week of tennis is underway. We are currently
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  Speaker 2: recording in the midst of the Cincinnati Open, a Masters
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  Speaker 2: 1000 event for the WTA and the ATP. The number
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  Speaker 2: one hit of the week and the topic on everyone's mind,
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  Speaker 2: this is Hodor, take it away. Friggy, that's me. Somebody
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  Speaker 2: once told me my shoes were gonna troll me.
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  Speaker 1: They're not the finest sneaks in the shed.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking kind of dumb with my shoelaces and tongue.
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  Speaker 1: Ripped out of my kicks like a dickhead.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the points keep coming and they don't stop coming.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not across the rules, chapel comes running.
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  Speaker 2: Don't make sense not to play for fun.
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  Speaker 1: No, it must be hard to take when you're up 5-1.
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  Speaker 2: So much to do, swear words to shout.
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  Speaker 1: So what's wrong with taking a timeout?
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  Speaker 2: You'll never know if you don't go. Go!
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  Speaker 1: You can't play if your laces blow.
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  Speaker 2: Blow! Hey now, Rafa Hoda, get your shoes on, go play.
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  Speaker 1: Hey now, Rafa Hoda, Hoda, Hoda, tie your laces, get.
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  Speaker 2: Paid. And all that glitters is gold.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta go high there. Only shoelaces break the mold. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it is what it is. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: cannot control that. That was pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 2: That was good. That was written by E-Roll, our producer.
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  Speaker 2: He's outdone himself this week. Do we want Mike's social
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  Speaker 2: faux pas of the week?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. What have you done? What did you do?
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  Speaker 2: You've been to my new apartment. It's a four-story walk-up, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's like a penthouse at the top of like a
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  Speaker 1: big city apartment. Big views over the water.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in my ivory tower.
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  Speaker 1: You are in your ivory tower, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. And we recently bought some furniture and we
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  Speaker 2: paid for them to bring it up to the apartment.
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  Speaker 1: You paid people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, paid people.
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  Speaker 1: To do manual labor?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why not? I'm supporting the salt of
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  Speaker 2: the earth. And what we paid for was for them
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  Speaker 2: to bring it up to the apartment and take it
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  Speaker 2: out of the boxes and take all the boxes away.
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  Speaker 2: So they show up. They see, even though I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: it was told to them that was four stories.
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  Speaker 1: That you were a celebrity. He was told he's a celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: Don't be weird around him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No eye contact. I put all these
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  Speaker 2: stipulations in there. Of course, yeah. Don't breathe near my wife.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a celebrity thing, right? That's just another rule
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  Speaker 1: you have.
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  Speaker 2: That's for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They get to the apartment building and they see it's
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  Speaker 2: four stories and they say, oh, we're not doing that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, no human can do this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, we just moved in and everything got
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  Speaker 2: up there, a fridge, a couch.
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  Speaker 1: I like how he said no human.
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  Speaker 2: He said no human can do this. And I said, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's very much possible. And the boxes were not bigger
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  Speaker 2: than a fridge or a couch or a washing machine, right?
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, no, no, no. He goes, company policy,
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  Speaker 2: we could take it up two levels. Two levels and
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  Speaker 2: then that's it. And I go, how about you take
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  Speaker 2: it up two levels, go for lunch, and then come
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  Speaker 2: back and take it up another two levels.
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  Speaker 1: Policy reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then he gets mad.
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  Speaker 1: He cracked it.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, absolutely. That's ridiculous. You know, he's very upset.
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  Speaker 2: Did you say what?
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you breathe near my wife. My final deal.
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  Speaker 2: So he was adamant then after me making that suggestion
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  Speaker 2: of him taking it up two levels, taking a break
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  Speaker 2: and two more. He took the boxes up two levels,
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  Speaker 2: left them on the landing there on the second floor
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  Speaker 2: and then stormed out. No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, are you paying these people?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then they can't.
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  Speaker 2: We got a refund.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: But it was just insane. I'm in the right there, right?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I was a bit dickish.
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  Speaker 1: I think you are in the right. But do you
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  Speaker 1: remember what happened when I came to see your new
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  Speaker 1: apartment for.
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  Speaker 2: The first time? You were winded.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no. Do you remember what happened when we opened
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  Speaker 1: the door? What was greeting us in the lobby downstairs?
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  Speaker 2: What was it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but two of the heaviest boxes I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you helped me.
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  Speaker 1: And then you were like, just grab that, would you?
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  Speaker 1: Can I say, it's a long way up. It is
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  Speaker 1: a long way up.
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  Speaker 2: The most egregious part of the story, which I haven't
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  Speaker 2: told you yet, is when he put the box down
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  Speaker 2: and stormed off, I called him a coward.
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  Speaker 1: You called him a coward.
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  Speaker 2: I said, nice one, coward.
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  Speaker 1: And at any point here, are you like, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: taking the boxes myself?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was like, he might as well do the
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  Speaker 2: two levels as his company policy.
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  Speaker 1: And then get the refund. But then did you lift
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  Speaker 1: it up the last two levels?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I made my wife do it later. Anyways, that's
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  Speaker 2: my social faux pas of the week. I can't even
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  Speaker 2: make it tennis adjacent.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've got something, and this is quite exciting. Last
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  Speaker 1: week on the show, I wrote a poem for Yannick
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  Speaker 1: Sinner's birthday.
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  Speaker 2: You did.
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  Speaker 1: And it was beautiful. And I think, and we know
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: Sinner listens to the show, but I think because of
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  Speaker 1: like managers and then the AO are pretty tight-lipped, He
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  Speaker 1: struggles to kind of get in contact with us sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like he put a message out.
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  Speaker 2: He's probably going through to the requests on your Instagram DMs.
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  Speaker 1: I need to check that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Check that folder.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, he still, like, he sent us a message. He
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  Speaker 1: put up a post on Instagram. We've got it right here.
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  Speaker 1: He's looking pretty happy. It says, thank you for all
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  Speaker 1: the nice birthday wishes. So nice of him to give
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  Speaker 1: us a shout out.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome. Cute.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very cute. Thank you for the birthday wishes. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to do that as well for a good
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  Speaker 1: friend of the show at any point. There's a squirrel
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  Speaker 1: on his shoulder. I don't know what that means. Thank you, Yannick,
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  Speaker 1: for getting back in touch, mate.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome, Yannick. Happy birthday, brother. We miss you. The
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati Open is in full swing.
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  Speaker 1: Full swing.
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  Speaker 2: It has been scorchingly hot over there. And... One thing
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about, I've actually never been to Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: You've never been to Cincinnati?
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  Speaker 2: No, we would love a man on the ground over there.
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  Speaker 2: I can ask some friends in the States.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even have Yannick, our good friend. He can't
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  Speaker 1: even be our man on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: He's not even there. But we want, like we had
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  Speaker 2: a man on the ground in Toronto, my good friend
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  Speaker 2: Tom Schaefer. If you're in Cincinnati and you're going to
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  Speaker 2: the tennis tournament, write in to podlabor.com. at tennis.com.au.
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  Speaker 1: Podlaver at tennis.com.au.
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  Speaker 2: And let us know how the tournament is. We know
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  Speaker 2: the conditions are scorching and everyone's humid and hot. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to Djokovic in a second. But one thing I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about Well, my only connection to Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: is that when I was at KU, Kansas University, there
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  Speaker 2: was a guy that lived in one of the share
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  Speaker 2: houses that a lot of my friends were at. And
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  Speaker 2: he was Matty from Cincinnati. And that's how he would
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  Speaker 2: introduce himself.
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  Speaker 1: Matty from Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: And I never liked him.
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  Speaker 1: This is a skyline cheese, Coney. It's got a delicious
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  Speaker 1: hot dog, Cincinnati-style chili, and a big mound of cheese.
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  Speaker 2: I have to tell, like, have you heard of the
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  Speaker 2: skyline chili that everyone loves in Cincinnati?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know a lot about Cincinnati, except it's
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: one of those American words that's pretty fun to say, Cincinnati. Right.
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  Speaker 2: In Ohio, and Ohio is now slang for Generation Alpha
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  Speaker 2: to mean weird or awkward.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Ohio is? Yeah. Oh, is that connected to the state?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea what it means or why they
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  Speaker 2: did it. Cool, dude. Regional food stuff. The Skyline Chili is...
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  Speaker 2: I've never had it, but it's a thin cinnamon and
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  Speaker 2: chocolate spiced meat sauce served over spaghetti.
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  Speaker 1: Cinnamon and chocolate.
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  Speaker 2: Spiced meat sauce served over spaghetti. This is the.
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  Speaker 1: That's a few words in it. Meat sauce. Yeah. Meat sauce.
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  Speaker 1: Like a gravy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A chocolatey... cinnamon gravy.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been described as the worst regional food stuff
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  Speaker 2: in America and abominable garbage gravy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that is what I thought immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But that's not even man. Some of the, I've
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  Speaker 2: had a few of these things. I haven't had what's
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  Speaker 2: voted the worst. The worst in America for regional food
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  Speaker 2: is Minnesota's a loot fisk and they have a strong
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: Scandinavian population in Minnesota. That's dried whitefish soaked in caustic lye.
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  Speaker 2: And it turns into a quivering gelatinous mass.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, gelatinous.
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  Speaker 2: What's wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Why would someone do that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: A white fish, you can do like a nice creamy
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  Speaker 1: sauce over that. Why would you do like a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a rubbery? Oh, it's kind of making me feel yuck.
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  Speaker 1: And you've tried that one.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't tried that one. I have tried this because
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  Speaker 2: this is a big Midwest thing. Jell-O salad, which is
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  Speaker 2: a congealed mix of gelatin, fruit, and miniature marshmallows. That's
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  Speaker 2: a big dessert thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't tried this. Scrapple,
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  Speaker 2: which is the northeastern states, eats scrapple, a pan-fried loaf
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  Speaker 2: of pork scraps and cornmeal mush. I am like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my body's starting to go. I think I'm turning into
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  Speaker 2: a quivering gelatinous mass.
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  Speaker 1: Slowly by the day. Don't go up north. They'll eat you.
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  Speaker 1: They'll put Mike G on a stick.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Cincinnati, the tournament is going, and let's check in
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: on live scores. We're recording this early, as I will
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: be in Perth next week, but currently, Demonar just beat
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Arthur Ferry, Kaboli over blocks and three cents. Tarante continues
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  Speaker 2: his form. He's had a great summer so far, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess this Tarante brings us to talking about Beating Djokovic.
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  Speaker 1: One for Argentina.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a big Argentina guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I like to support them when Australia
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  Speaker 1: get knocked out. I would say the Argentinian men definitely
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  Speaker 1: better overall than the Australian men at the moment when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to world tennis. But a big victory with Djokovic. Now,
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: this is my theory at the moment. Djokovic, he is
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: saying he didn't feel well due to the heat. Well,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: he's got a sickness that gets worse. when it's really hot,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: which does sound like every sickness there is. Is global
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  Speaker 1: warming ruining tennis?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's check in with Terrence. Atman, is global
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  Speaker 2: warming real? Yeah, I mean, I think he's 39 and
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: you start to feel the conditions.
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  Speaker 1: A lot more. Yeah, it just gets too hot.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I have a health condition that
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: makes me wilt in the heat and the humidity. And
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: it's apparently, by all accounts, like crazy temperature. heat and
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  Speaker 2: humidity in Cincinnati at the moment. This is Djokovic. He
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  Speaker 2: was on all fours at one point. He threw up.
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  Speaker 2: They had to hold like a little towel in front
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  Speaker 2: of him to give him some privacy while he's throwing up.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: Well, that is a great photo, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Don't you think? It's like a statue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, without the lines, the court really looks like a
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  Speaker 1: perfect backdrop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a perfect blue. I mean, I know he's
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  Speaker 1: having one of the worst moments of his life there,
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  Speaker 1: but I like the kit as well.
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  Speaker 2: So he's playing the Argentinian Tarante, who I think hit
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  Speaker 2: one of the fastest forehands of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: He hits it down the middle of the court and
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  Speaker 2: Djokovic still doesn't have a play on it because it's
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  Speaker 2: just moving that fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's so like... There's probably a mirage in
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  Speaker 1: front of you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The forehand's coming through like a fountain that's just like
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  Speaker 1: appeared in front of you.
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  Speaker 2: Djokovic, after the match, so he lost in three, said,
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  Speaker 2: it's just the condition that I have health-wise. It's been
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  Speaker 2: bothering me for the past couple of years. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of issues, especially when it's humid and hot. So
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  Speaker 2: New York is in a couple weeks, and New York
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  Speaker 2: in late August, early September is disgustingly hot.
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  Speaker 1: It's disgustingly hot. And it's also been heating up. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there's heat. Because of? Well, global warming. Which
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  Speaker 1: is debatable or whatever. But I feel like the heat
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  Speaker 1: at the end of summer... in these big cities it
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  Speaker 1: feels like it's in the buildings you know and like
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  Speaker 1: i just feel like that heat it's just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: you won't be able to escape it so.
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  Speaker 2: I mean here's rublev who was struggling with the heat so.
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  Speaker 1: Bad his head in the ice box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah a real dunk he really dunked his head in there.
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  Speaker 1: That's what i mean is this a global this is
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  Speaker 1: global warming this is what it looks like.
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  Speaker 2: American summers, though, are this bad, especially through the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up with it. And Rublev's a redhead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he just can't handle it.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Just some other live scores, because we are in the
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  Speaker 2: round of 32. When you listen to this, it'll be,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the tournament will basically be over. Zverev just
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  Speaker 2: took the first set against Terence Atman. We love Atman. Atman. Hodar,
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  Speaker 2: which we'll get to in a second, easily beat Tabilo. Tarante,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, continues winning. And Tommy Paul is playing
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Vallejo very soon. Mensik took out Australia's... Rinky Hijikata.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Very exciting as well, though. Chris O'Connell through to the
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  Speaker 1: third round, Mike. And, yes, Kath Baroud may have retired
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  Speaker 1: and granted him access to the third round. But is
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  Speaker 1: this the heavens clearing?
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at a kind of unknown situation coming into
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  Speaker 1: the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Open. Right.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking for someone to get behind, someone to make
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  Speaker 1: a run, a historic run. Is it Chris O'Connell?
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  Speaker 2: He plays Jao Fonseca next. Yes. And he is going
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: to get run.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. He's a 19-year-old Brazilian. He probably can
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  Speaker 1: deal with the heat. You've got to think.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to this in the future. You know I am, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's not often that Mike gets it wrong, but on
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  Speaker 1: this occasion, he totally did. Chris O'Connell, one. Quivering gelatinous mass, zero. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. Hopefully Chris is still in there. He's
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: ranked 129th in the world at the moment. I think
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: he's got to get to 107th. to not have to
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: go through qualifying to get into the US Open. I
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, even if he wins in Cincinnati, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if that gets him across the line. But look,
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  Speaker 1: all I'm saying, Carlito, we don't know. It's up in
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  Speaker 1: the air. Djokovic is struggling to walk. It's fair if
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  Speaker 1: I think he's got some demons in his head. Sinner,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen. Is this Chris
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  Speaker 1: O'Connell's time?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Moving on. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other big result, Shelton just won in Montreal
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  Speaker 2: and then goes out in the first round.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: What's that all about?
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: It's got to be fatigue, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But to get on, we were really behind him in
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  Speaker 1: that last episode.
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  Speaker 2: I still am. This has really made you drop off?
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's like, yeah, but I feel like,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I thought if he's going to have the form, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he could be tired, but he might get through to
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: the fourth round or something.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like pretty early to go out.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: But I guess it's so much tennis in such a
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: short period of time.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I think this bodes well for him because now he
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: gets a longer break before the US starts.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: And he's still got a few games in. I see
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. They can't simulate match intensity and training
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: in any way. Otherwise, I think you would see a
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: lot of people skipping some tournaments.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean, Djokovic said the same thing. He
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: was like, he felt great going into Cincinnati. And then
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, when you're in the pressure of
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: match play... And then obviously the heat and everything, it
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: cooked him and he was done.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: What if you started a group chat? So say you're
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: on the tour and you're in the top 10 in
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the world or whatever. You get a group chat of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: like 20 of the best guys and you're like, let's
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: play and we're just going to play as hard as
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: we can against each other. That way you could sort
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of keep your fitness and build it up without having
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to like destroy yourself traveling around playing a tournament with
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: seemingly no breaks, no holidays.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's an idea.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: What if?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying. It would be like.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: It would be a punishing way to be a 45-year-old man.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Well, be a 45-year-old man, but you don't have to
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: be a 45-year-old. I'm saying, so let's look at Shelton, right,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: for example. So he wins in Canada.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Probably that night he's on a plane to Cincinnati. He's
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: there and then he's got to back up the next
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: day to play his first round.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: That's brutal. But it's the only way he can do
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: it because he needs to get the match practice or
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: get the simulation of being under the pressure. What if
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: he's in a group chat, right? And then you've got
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: someone else in there who's like, you know, an elite player.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Djokovic. So they sub in?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: No. So then you both have three days off and
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: then you meet at a court and you're like, we're
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: playing as hard as we can. Right. And so you
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: get the match practice without having to kind of kill
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: yourself with this schedule. Right.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Hey, you lost me with the whole group chat element.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't have to be a group chat. Someone
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: else could organise the logistics. My point is I'm trying
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to find a way where people aren't tired and their
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: bodies aren't breaking down because at the moment no one
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: is physically fit enough to get through a season.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. I do. But, like, also
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Djokovic is 39 and Shelton's played a ton of tennis.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I do see what you're saying, but I just think
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the tour... As the schedule is.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: This guy, he can't see out of, like, he's too
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: locked into his brain. Look at some other opinions here.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You're talking about like an app.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You can just log in and go. Yeah, I can
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: go for a game. He finds a court on the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Tennis Australia website.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: He goes, okay, cool, Clifton Hill. I'm going to go
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: down there, see if I can have a pick-up game somewhere.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right. All right. Well, this and your
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Redheads-only tournament are going to take off, I'll tell you, man.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I think the Redhead idea could be good.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Um, should we talk Shoe Gate?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Shoe Gate is fantastic. People are writing songs about it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: What's your take? Is this in the, um, what's the saying?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Spirit of the game?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, is it gamesmanship? Should it be allowed?
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Rafa Hodar.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's favorite as well, by the way.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting a lot of fans. People
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: love the guy.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Well, okay. So Rafa Hodar has had several matches where
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: his shoelaces have been breaking. When the other guy has
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: momentum or is in the lead, it's also happened when
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Hodar's in the lead. And he's got to fix his
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: shoe in the middle of a game. And he takes
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: time to sit there and get his shoes that aren't
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: broken shoelaces. Disrupts the other guy's momentum. Most recently against
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Denis Shapovalov in Cincinnati. And Shapovalov looked for all purposes
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: like he was going to win the match. He was
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: up 5-1 in the decider. served for it twice, couldn't
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: get it done, double faulted on the match points. A
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: lot of this is on Chapo, but.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I think we blame the shoelaces.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He did it in the Dallas final against Fritz.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Hodar stopped to fix his shoes. He did it against
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Nakashima in Montreal. It's a pattern of behavior that is
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: making him seem a little bit like a villain.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I kind of love it because it is like, how
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: do you truly say that this guy's doing it on purpose?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: You've got to tie your shoelaces up. It's like number
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: one rule. If you're a parent and you see a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: kid walking around With their shoelaces undone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: If your shoelaces are undone and you're walking down the street,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: someone will stop you and be like, hey, by the way,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: your shoelace is undone. You've got to tie it up.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: You can't have someone playing. You can't say you're faking it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to play with your shoelaces undone.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Well, because there's physical evidence. It's not. They're snapping. The
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: shoelaces are breaking.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, then this is a shoelace supplier issue.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Or they've somehow engineered these shoelaces to do it at
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: very tense moments in matches.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it is a surface.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: But are they snapping because he's pulling? They're not just
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: snapping midpoint.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: He's sliding on a hard cord in such a way
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that it's catching, I guess, the string of the shoe.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And then they're breaking. He's breaking his shoes constantly. And
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: then having to get, there's that picture of him like
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: surrounded by shoes. It's crazy, right? And they, a lot
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of people are arguing that it shouldn't be allowed that
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: if you break a shoelace, because this is an equipment issue,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be allowed to then fix it until after
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: the game is over, right?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: No, but then it's a safety issue.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Well, right, but that'll force the issue. If you go,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That's a million degrees. You ever stepped on some hot tarmac-
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: On a 40 degree.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's got to play barefoot. I'm saying
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it'll force Adidas or whoever his shoe sponsor is to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: give him proper durable shoelaces.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: But how is it only his shoelaces? What's he got
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the most psycho foot that's swelling?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's a.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Look, I don't understand. Is he on a plane when
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: everyone else is not on a plane and his foot's expanding?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his nickname is going to be Rafa Deep Vein
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Thrombosis Odar.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: What I would investigate, I would want to get my
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: eyes on, so let's get some of his shoelaces. He
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: has to present them before.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Because is he putting little cuts in the shoelaces so
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he knows that, you know, under tension, eventually they're going
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to snap? Because if no one else is having shoelace issues,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it is a baffling scenario.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: A baffling scenario. And the answer to me is not
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the guy can't replace shoelaces. That is insanity.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the answer is probably what my parents would threaten
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: me with when I was four years old and I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: was struggling to tie up my shoelaces is, you're going
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: back to Velcro.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I would love to see some Velcro shoes out there, dude. Oh, man.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But then the Velcro's breaking, you know?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: The Velcro's not going to break.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Velcro could break.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Is Velcro not as strong as the shoelace tie?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Would I look like a shoe engineer?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also, do you know what else is back in?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I wear the Solomon. which were a climbing shoe. And
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: now due to like little inner city pieces of shit
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like me, they're very fashionable and everyone's wearing them, but
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: they don't have the shoelaces in the sense of like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: tie up. They just have the drawstring pull up and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: then you have a thing that comes down and it
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: locks it. It kind of like squeezes it in tight,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but still a fabric thing. And then you kind of,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: then it has a little patch where you hide the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: thing up. These are for climbing. These are outdoor shoes.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's an option he needs to look into.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, because it's happened now in so many matches,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and I've been in the Shapovalov match, it happened twice.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: The chair umpire addressed the crowd and he goes, Rafa
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Hodar has to fix his shoes again. And the crowd
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: is like, ugh. And it's like.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: What size foot is he? I'm looking that up.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that have to do?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Well, because maybe his foot is too big for conventional shoes.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's the nature of his slide on the hard
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: court that is snapping the shoelaces. But you're right. You
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: could argue both sides of the... Say, it's the physical
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: evidence is there. His shoes are breaking. He doesn't want
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to get injured. But then also, finish the game.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You're not going to believe this. According to AI, he
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: has not publicly... Shared his specific shoe size.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: There's a whole shoe conspiracy.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: This is big.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: This goes all the way to the top.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's like there's got to be some.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You think it's the slide.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: This goes all the way to the high tops. Sorry.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I wonder. He's not the first person to slide. He's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: not sliding in a completely unique way. Shoes should be
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: able to handle this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Something else is at play. I would want to see
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the shoelaces. Yeah. I would want to. So.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Who is the shoe sponsor?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You know, you're not breaking.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So you can get. I don't know. Have you ever
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: done much sailing in your time, Mike?
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a bit.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: There you go. You can get rope.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And the amount of weight, this rope, you can hold
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a ton of weight. Yeah. You can pull up an
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: anchor with some sailing rope. There has to be some
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: shoelace strength. that could handle this six-foot-three Spaniard.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: NASA technology.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be, I would argue, athlete's foot. Have
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it on their shelf right now that you could go
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and buy that could handle some sliding.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so this is Adidas. So we got to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: write to the CEO of Adidas and be like, what
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the hell is going on, man? And the model worn
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is the Adidas Adizero Uber Sonic. Get some Uber laces.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Uber laces. I wonder, it's not good business for Adidas either.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's not a good look.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: This isn't happening to Wilson's staff.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't happen in matches like he just rolled
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to below 6-2-6-1 and there was no shoelace issue. So
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it's these three setters.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, he's probably.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: There's more wear and tear, of course.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Or it's like the moments matter more, so he's cutting
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the shoelaces there to fuck with the momentum.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Change of ends, he's like secretly giving little nicks.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. I think pre-match... He's in his
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: hotel room. He has his shoelaces lined up on the table.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: He has a pair of sewing scissors and he's putting
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: little cuts in the shoelaces, right? Yeah. So then that means,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: so then like the amount of the shoelaces hanging on
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: by a thread, then when he knows once, like it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: going to break at some point, like because there's weak
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: points in the shoelace.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And then that means he'll have to take the shoelace.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: He can use that time. The momentum, he can rest.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: That will be the first theory I think is, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: think that's the most plausible theory.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: That's some wild speculation coming from Sam Taunton.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: To me, it's a pretty crazy coincidence.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Just the shoes for him are somehow not as strong
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and the shoelaces are not as strong as other people.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: So what's the, here's him playing Chapavala. This is the match.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: when Chapo was up 4-1 in the third set decider. And, yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, watch his movement. Does it seem to be
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: extreme or anything? Not in that point right there. But, yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it's a big foot.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: It's a weird-looking shoe. No disrespect to Adidas with what
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: they've done. It's a strange-looking shoe.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It looks very like it's got a lot on the sole.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So his shoe bag.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: They're thick socks too.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: His tennis bag must be mainly shoes.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Have we got proof that the shoe... Oh, what's this
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: orthotic that's going in? Maybe that could be.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's the snap shoelace. I mean, the evidence
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: is there.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we have no... That's not ruling out that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he's tried to cut the shoe.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: There, he's done the shoe again. And then, yep, he goes...
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So we just miss Shapo walking up to him being like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: what the hell, man, your shoes again? And he goes,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and you're drinking water. So he's taking it as a
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: full break.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got to have a drink while you're there.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I think the solution is.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: What, so you're going to say he's not allowed to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: have a drink of water?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: So he's complaining to the judge, he complains... You know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Chapo's obviously concerned he's choking, and he did choke.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He did choke. It did really turn the momentum around.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of desperate measures here. The
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: integrity of the game's in question.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, people are starting to boo him. Here is
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a theory that he's being now touted as the third
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: guy to sink Coraz, right? As much as Djokovic was
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the party spoiler to Federer and Nadal. Is he falling
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: now into this villain-esque role that Djokovic played?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: We need a villain. There's no other way to look
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: at it. You need some kind of evilness, I think,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to prop the sport up. It would be good.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It would be good, although I think he's got a
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: friendly face. What about this for a rule? Each player
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: gets two pairs of shoelaces. Or shoes, maybe.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And just, it's like tough titties, I guess, if you
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: go through it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an equipment issue. And if it happens.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And then you've got to play barefoot.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Like, maybe you have to. And then if someone gets injured,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it's like you should, you've just got to be more
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: responsible with your shoes.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Finish the game. At least finish the game. Yeah, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: then you can change shoes. But in the middle of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: a game, stop letting it happen. Anyways, we'll see if
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: ShoeGate continues in the controversy there. In the WTA side
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of the draw, let's see what is happening right now.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Svitolina won yesterday, saving seven match points to go through
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to the next round. She beat Valentova, saving... Seven match
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: points in the second set, and then Begling Valentova in
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the third. Goff won a three-setter against Samsonova. Sloane Stephens
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: is looking good. Again, she beat Potapova. Some of the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: names that have been kind of cruising through a lot
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of the draws are doing well. Eva Jovic, Marta Kostiak
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: beating Sofia Kennan. And then as we speak, There's some
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: matches happening. The Pagula just beat Emma Navarro in an
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: All-American affair. Linda Noskova, good to see she's still in form,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: taking out Clara Tau. Yeah, and unfortunately, Maya Kvalinska lost
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to Diana Schneider. But Bakina backing up.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: She's cruising through.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Getting to the final in Toronto. Won in straight sets.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And Shavontek dropped the first set against Maria Sakari, but
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: won it in 3-6-1 in the final set. And then
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Iala is playing in Cincinnati. She's got the American Amanda Anisimova,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: one of the best backhands on tour. But Iala will
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: have the Filipino support.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And she'll be fresher. Yeah. After her last match as well.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of players are just contending with
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Iala's crowd at this point.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which kind of rules? It's kind of like the...
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Was it Seattle in the NFL that had the very
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: loud stadium?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: That's the Kansas City Chiefs. Arrowhead, the loudest stadium.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: That's your team.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: That's my team.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Well, anyway, look, it must be scary going to play
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: there and having to deal with that kind of atmosphere
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and just knowing that everyone wants you to do badly.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I remember when we had Sam Stoser in here and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: she talked about the US Open final and her just saying...
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Just knowing everyone in the crowd wanted her to lose
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is a crazy feeling.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's playing Serena.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it would be hard
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to kind of imagine all those people looking at you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: hoping you don't do well.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Well, Djokovic has had a career of having, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: crowds kind of chanting against him. And he said his
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: little trick is, Pretend that when they're going for the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: other guy, that's actually them cheering for him.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not real. That's like when people are like, oh,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you're nervous speaking publicly. Imagine everyone's naked. It doesn't.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: What, your brain? How dumb do you think your brain
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: is that you'll trick it and it'll just go, oh,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: everyone's naked.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Aren't they the idiots?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Not me doing my little presentation. What do you think, Djokovic?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: The guy's a borderline genius. He can also speak like
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: eight languages or whatever. He's able to convince his silly
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: brain that everyone in the crowd is actually cheering for him.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Come on. He needs to admit he's a psychopath like
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and he thrives off the hatred is what happens.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: That fires him up.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And that's fine. That's fine. You know who's not
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: doing well, Mike? Venus.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Venus. This is such a, I don't know. I know
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: we've talked about it before, but Venus Williams getting another
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: wild card and then getting bounced in the first round,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: like barely what she won.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: She won four games in total for the two sets.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: She had 6-2, 6-2, she lost.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, a legend of the sport, you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: she deserves it or she's taken wild cards from more
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: deserving people.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that is the interesting point. You can
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: make the argument it's good for the tournament to have
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: her But the more she keeps losing, it's kind of not.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Well, the ticket sales are still there. People are packing
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: out stadiums to see, you know, Venus.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that lasts. Once everyone's seen the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: final victory lap, I think it's kind of like, oh,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: now it's a bit sad. She's ranked, what is she ranked?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: 600 something in the world now. So, I mean, yeah,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: once you've seen it and you're like, oh, love you, Venus.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you for the memories. Then do you want to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: go see again to see her get? pumped. Unfortunately, time
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: moves on quick and there'll be cooler, funner games to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: go and see. I think she just needs to chill,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: come back and then get on the exhibitions. That's the
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: fun stuff. If she still wants to play, just play
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the exhibitions.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: This is all leading up to the US. She's going
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: to play in the US. Who was her doubles partner? Bublik, maybe?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was her and Bublik playing doubles together,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: so that'll be awesome.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: That's kind of cool, yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But it's like, play the US and then call it
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a day?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Or just play... I guess with Serena, if you want
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to play doubles, that's another story. Yeah. That's kind of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: box office. And there's nothing wrong with just being a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: doubles player.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Venus and Serena are playing doubles as we speak.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: They've returned in Cincinnati. Not going well in the first set.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: No. It's about to be 5-2. Losing to Mardukoscik and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Peyton Stearns. So, I mean, that would be a fun match.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: The box office game.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's pretty sick, but... I mean, maybe they're just
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: trying to find their form and then hopefully, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they are playing doubles in the US. I'm not sure.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like they would want... If they're playing in
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati now, surely they're going to play the US Open.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think so. So, yeah, Venus, I mean.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But maybe that's where they both should be if they
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: want to keep playing. I don't think anyone is going to...
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think people will start to have an issue if
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: they are holding spots from up-and-coming players in singles. But
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I think anyone... Everyone would be like, if you guys
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: want to play doubles, go for it. Yeah. And there's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with being a doubles player. They could host
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Tipping Point one day. Like, it's fine. Just do it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a happy medium that everyone would
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: be okay with. I'm still learning lessons.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, it is the time for approaching the net,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: or as I like to call it, Sam Slam.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Grand Sam.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: No, I thought I'd change it this week to Sam Slam.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You like Grand Slam? Damn it. I thought I could
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: change it up.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, what do you have for us in
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the Sam Slam?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Well, I've been scouring the internet. I've been
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: on all the tennis websites. I think you'll like this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz. You love Taylor Fritz. Well, he's a good
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: American guy. He smashed his racket early on. Often this
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: puts people on the fence, but I think you showed
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: what he's a good guy, what kind of a good
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: guy he is, because he then gave the racket to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a fan.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: This is in the first game of his match against Mickelson.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Which kind of is awesome.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, he gets broken. So that's on break point.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: The racket, look at that. It's not in a good way.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That's an early racket smash. You love to see it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's something going on at home that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: he walks out with that kind of attitude in the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: first game?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's just had to vent that frustration. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: then gives it, look at this. Mangles his racket, takes
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it over to a kid in the stands. Perfect.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And that kid will cherish that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I always think it's funny.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely cherish that racket.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool, I guess, but also it's like, here's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: some garbage.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: For all we know, he's not giving it to the kid.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: For all we know, he gave it to the kid
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: and then said, hey, can you put that in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: bin for me?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Like he was asking the kid to do a favor
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Throw it away.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, throw it away.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like, do you think the kid's going to go home?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Hang it on the wall.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And just like, yeah, put it, and he'd like to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: his parents, I got the best gift.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz wrecked a racket.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Smashed rackets.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, you should have asked for a selfie.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I got one better.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: A signed tennis ball.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Also, the first game is so funny.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: First game gets broken, smashes the racket. I love that turnaround.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I think there was a clay court match a couple
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: of years ago where the second part of the match.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the guy smashes racket, and I was like, that rules
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: as well. Two points in?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Two points in. I want to just do it the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: first point.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: It's a defeatist thing to do, but do it in
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the warm-up. The warm-up.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: The gentle hit back across. It would rule. The warm-up
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: is funny, but not enough people would see it. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: would love to... You start the match, you're serving first.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Double fault to smash the racket.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Staying in Cincinnati, I like this. Arthur Rinderknecht, he
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: lost his cool. Oh. He screamed at a fan who
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: yelled at him. Not exactly the Argentinian again.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: He goes, Rinderknecht goes to the crowd. Oh, my God.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Gives it back. He was getting heckled. It's 4-4 in
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the third set.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It's truly fantastic because this, it's not on center court.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: We're looking at maybe a hundred people total watching this game.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: This is like. It's kind of like you're playing backyard
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: cricket here or something and you start screaming at your uncle.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Dude, I love it. That's fantastic. Obviously, he was getting
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: heckled and then he just went over and gave it
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: back after leveling things up in the third set.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I love seeing the veil of professional sportsmen disappear and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: you just see a guy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: There's a great one in the AFL. It's from the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: 70s when a player jumps into the crowd, punches someone
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: in the crowd, and then punches the umpire.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And then he got banned for life. Actually, when I was... Oh,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: he just whacked the outlier. You just.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to punch a fellow out of the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: fence now. He's into someone in the stand.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's giving one too. Yep. Yeah, he's done well.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Well, just quickly, there is... We talked about Taylor Fritz before.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Him and Rinderknecht have beef, right? They are very... When
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: they play each other, it's very tense. So much so
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: when Taylor Fritz beat him at Wimbledon, I want to say,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: last year. He said, Fritz said to Rinder Knesh, have
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a safe flight home. Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's just polite, isn't it?
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: It is nice.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Good luck on that flight.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Anything else?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do have one.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: The Summer of Sam?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I do. In the Summer of Sam Slam. This is beautiful.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Alex Yala, who is just taking the world by storm.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Someone's drawn a beautiful picture of her.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: That is a great picture.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Would you find that creepy if someone did that to you, Mike?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Not if it was that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: It's like a beautiful painting.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Watercolor.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: On canvas as well. It's not scribbled in a Sharpie
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: on the back of a napkin.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Do you think someone just printed out an AI?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Potentially.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. I think it's touching, and I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: would be blessed to have someone do that for me. Really?
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, luck would have it. What do you
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: think of this?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: What do you have? Oh, my God.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I did that by hand. I did it like a
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: lot of just with a pencil.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I love it. All right. That's another episode in the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: can of Pod Laver Arena.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Episode 51.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. We'll be back to wrap things up for Cincinnati
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: once I'm back from Perth and discuss what's happening in Winston-Salem.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, spooky.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Spooky. The 250 event there. We'll talk to you guys
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: on the next one.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a witch.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Bye. Bye. Master Khodar is allowed for some extra time
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: to change his shoes as the shoelace is broken once again.