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Robin Hood and Building Community | Andre Kradolfer · Yes And Land

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  it why did you and dan decide to start this this
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  game store when you've got a great career you've
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  got a great education you've got a family right
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  why suddenly decide to start this game store
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  i was coming out of my shell but i started finding
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  myself doing something i had never really done
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  in my adult life which was making friends outside
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  of work beneath there's a lot of people who come
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  to these stores looking for something right uh
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  they're looking for that connection and they're
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  looking for a place to play and that's how we
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  kind of came up with this idea of just the the
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  third space a community yes we sell cards we
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  sell games and things like that but our focus
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  is having a community a place that people can
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  come and just play games and they they took us
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  all to disney world and something might might
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  not kind of fell in love with it and just started
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  taking us pretty much every year after that when
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  when you're moving around a lot and your life
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  is changing a lot from like culture to culture,
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  language to language, right? Being able to basically
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  go home to Disney World. It was the constant
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  in my life. I felt comfortable there. I felt
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  like things wouldn't change, you know? Like my
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  life was just so much change and stuff that Disney
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  World kind of provided that home feel. This is
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  a big one. I know, especially like in the business
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  space, like people use this word a lot, but I
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  would say be curious, right? Get curious before
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  you get convincing, right? Before you're trying
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  to push someone, your views to somebody, I get
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  curious into why their views are their views.
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  Welcome to Yes And Land, where we say yes to
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  the reality of yesterday and today. And we say
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  and to the possibility, growth, and imagination
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  of tomorrow. Welcome back, everybody, for our
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  next episode of Yes And Land. In Disney's Robin
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  Hood, Prince John... taxes Nottingham into silence.
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  Friar Tuck rings the church bell and nobody comes.
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  It takes a fox, a bear, and a whole town of unlikely
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  allies to bring everyone back together. Today's
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  guest has been finding common ground his whole
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  life. Andre was born in Bolivia, grew up moving
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  from country to country with one constant every
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  December. Today, he's a senior software architect
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  and co -owner of Harsh Side Games, a place where
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  everyone has a seat at the table. Welcome to
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  the program, Andre. Thank you, Ryan. Super excited
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  to have you here, my brother. Yeah, I'm excited
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  to be here. So we're going to do some fun talking
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  about Robin Hood, which is a classic 1973 classic
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  who people from our generation watched on VHS
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  over and over. Watch it, rewind, watch it, rewind.
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  Good times. So we're going to have some fun talking
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  about that. As we get started, what I want to
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  do is go back to that young lad that you were,
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  and let's talk about what your journey was. being
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  in Bolivia, then kind of moving around and what
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  that was kind of like as you were growing up.
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  Okay. Yeah, it was, it was different. So how
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  long did you live in Bolivia? So in Bolivia,
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  I was only there 18 months. Oh my goodness. I
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  don't actually remember much of Bolivia itself,
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  other than pictures and stories that like my
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  parents told me and things like that. Okay. Right.
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  And then where'd you go from Bolivia? We moved
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  over to Peru, Lima, Peru. And this is where I
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  first kind of started remembering, have some
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  like vague memories because we were there for
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  four years. I was about five years old when we
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  moved out of Lima, but we still had a lot of
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  family and stuff in Peru. So we go back and visit
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  and stuff like that. And so you, when you were
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  Bolivia, then Peru, what was the language that
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  was spoken in your home? Was it Spanish? Yeah.
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  So you grew up speaking Spanish. Okay. And then
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  from Peru, where did you go? And then we moved
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  to Ecuador. So Quito, Ecuador. Okay. There for
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  four years. And that's where, like, my memories
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  really kind of started. Yeah. Yeah. Because you
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  were five. Five, yeah. Yeah, those are some formative
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  years. Yes. For sure. And then after four years
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  in Ecuador, moved to Mexico City. Mexico City.
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  Estructo Federal. Yeah. Actually, in El Efe,
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  yeah. El Efe, okay. Now they've changed it. At
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  the time, this was the 90s, right? So El Efe
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  was much bigger. It was different. Now it's like
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  the, anyway. They've changed things over the
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  years, I've learned. But yeah, lived in Mexico
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  City for a good five years. So those were also
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  some formative years. Yeah. That was like eight
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  or nine until like 13, 14, 15. Exactly. Then
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  moved to Germany, Frankfurt, Germany. Which had
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  to be very different. I mean, you're used to
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  moving at this point in time, but still. Yeah.
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  Yeah. But it's different. Different languages.
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  Yeah. Different continents. Always been Spanish
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  for me. Yeah. Growing up, even though culturally
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  they're very different. Bolivia versus Ecuador,
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  Mexico. It's all very different stuff. And now
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  we're going to another part of the world. Yeah.
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  And different languages, stuff like that. It
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  wasn't completely foreign to us because my mom.
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  would speak German to me as like a little kid.
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  And then when I started speaking, I only started
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  speaking Spanish. So then she kind of gave up
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  on the whole German thing. Yeah. But like my
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  grandparents are Swiss and, you know, we have,
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  my parents are both Swiss. So like I knew about
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  Germany and German and stuff like that. So it
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  wasn't too crazy. Yeah. And that's where I was
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  supposed to finish off high school. But then
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  a year and a half later, my dad, you know, gets
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  a job in Moscow, Russia. No way. Yeah. So like
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  halfway through my like freshman to sophomore
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  year, we moved to Russia. And then you lived
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  in Russia for how long? And then there I was
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  supposed to finish off high school there. Anyway,
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  fun story. A year and a half later, we moved
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  to Tucson, Arizona. Oh my goodness. And that's
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  where I actually finished high school. Okay.
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  I was in Arizona. My goodness, man. You had some
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  serious moving around. Yeah. Okay. So your parents
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  are Swiss. Yes. And what I didn't say is, is
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  what your last name is, but it's Kredolfer. Yes.
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  Kredolfer. Yep. And, and that is, tell everybody
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  what that, what that is, what that means. So
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  it's a Swiss name. There is a small town in Potsdam
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  called Kredolfer. And we are those then. Kredolfer.
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  Which is so cool. I actually think that's rad.
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  I guess that's really fun. Yeah. So you, well,
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  you're moving to all these countries, you're
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  speaking Spanish, then you got to go learn some
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  German. Did you get pretty fluent in German?
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  I did not. Okay. I went to American schools,
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  international schools. Okay. But they're basically
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  funded by like the American embassy. Okay. So
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  when you were in these other countries before
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  speaking Spanish, were you learning English too?
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  I was. Okay. So you were at least getting some
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  exposure to English, though it wasn't what you
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  were speaking. And it was only through school
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  though. Okay. So still like maybe not as much
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  English that you were speaking. So then suddenly
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  you moved to Tucson. Was that a pretty big adjustment
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  for language? It was. Yes. That was actually
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  the move I feared the most. Man. was moving to
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  the United States. Even though in reality, like
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  Tucson's not exactly a scary place, but like
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  totally different. And then you're gonna have
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  to start speaking English there because Americans
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  aren't overly accommodating when somebody else
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  speaks a different language. No, but by that
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  time I was speaking pretty fluently because I'd
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  already been, you know, 14 years in the American
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  school system, I guess. I don't want to say American,
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  like international school system. Right. So I
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  was pretty fluent already. And, but also really
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  hard too, I would imagine because you're doing
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  in the middle of your high school years. yeah
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  which in reality is really tough you know we
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  um we learn a lot about impact of moving schools
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  and stuff doing divorces because that will sometimes
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  shape and affect you know what courts want to
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  do with custody or who they're going to have
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  move out or stay in a marital home or if somebody
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  does move and like high school having to move
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  in the middle of high school is like the hardest
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  move for kids kind of across the board junior
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  high is really tough you did both elementary
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  school way easier right yeah obviously before
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  then even easier high school though can can really
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  have a really big impact and be really hard so
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  was that pretty tough then i didn't know any
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  different i don't know kind of like you just
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  moved it was just the thing we did yeah right
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  so what what was it like trying to build friends
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  and stuff when you moved to this honestly a new
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  country you never lived in before yeah yeah so
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  it wasn't too difficult only because attending
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  international schools a lot of the people there
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  are also experiencing the same thing you are
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  right they're all expat families and stuff that
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  are also moving around a lot right so a lot of
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  people in the school and they're not very big
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  schools like my graduating class in in russia
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  would have been like 27 people right like they're
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  not huge schools that we were going to uh late
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  90s early early 2000s and uh there a lot of you
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  are just in the same spot yeah so So it wasn't
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  too bad? No, it wasn't too crazy. With those,
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  I'm assuming the moves were as a result of work,
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  work -related changes? Yeah. It was your dad
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  or your mom? It was my dad. So your dad. And
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  what was his profession? He worked as a director
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  of temporal affairs for the Church of Jesus Christ,
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  Latter -day Saints. So it was just like wherever
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  they needed him to go? That's right. They would
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  just move him. They would just move him. Did
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  he know that that's what the job meant? It was
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  like you just move wherever they tell you to
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  go? Yeah. And your mom was like, let's do it.
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  Yeah. She was always very supportive. Because
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  they have to be pretty aligned. Like you've got
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  to have, you've got to have the family be pretty
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  aligned. Did you find that that helped your family
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  be closer together because going through moves
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  you guys would have to like? Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
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  Right. Because that was like our main common
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  denominator was us. Yeah. Family, siblings, parents
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  and stuff. Right. So we moved to a whole new
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  place and it was just us. So it did kind of help
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  us create a pretty strong bond between all of
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  us. Yeah. We're all still very friendly and communicate
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  almost daily. Yeah. at this point. Where do your
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  parents live now? Here, in North Salt Lake. So
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  they live here? Yeah. So you're here, they're
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  here, where are your siblings at? They're all
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  over the place. Okay. How many siblings do you
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  have? I have three older sisters. Three older
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  sisters. Okay. Okay. So you were the lone boy
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  in the house. I was, yeah, yeah. And there's
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  quite a gap between them and me. I came five
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  years after the youngest. Okay. So they babysat
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  you a lot? They did. Yeah. I basically had four
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  moms. Did they ever get paid for it? oh i don't
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  know i don't think so probably not because like
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  we're in that zone too like we've got uh our
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  youngest is six the oldest is 17. um trying to
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  decide like okay is it just the job of the siblings
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  to watch if we're going to go out or do we actually
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  have to like give them a little bit and we're
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  still we haven't yet so we're still kind of that's
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  not like well i don't know like yeah maybe my
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  17 year old doesn't really want to my 13 year
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  old definitely would he just is the kind and
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  he's got younger sisters um but so far he's just
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  done it when we've asked and just that's cool
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  that's good about it i feel like that's just
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  kind of built in yeah if you're the oldest you
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  gotta watch them yeah just you have to right
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  you just gotta learn that responsibility yeah
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  exactly um and you know sometimes you know as
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  parents we kind of worry about like okay well
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  what's gonna happen if or are they gonna you
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  know be mean to their siblings if they're the
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  ones watching at the same time like man when
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  we were growing up That happened. That's right.
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  That's what happens. Like you get picked on,
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  right? Like it just is what it is. You know,
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  I remember my, I remember a friend in high school,
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  like her older, two older brothers, the one that
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  was much older, he would just pick on her and
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  her siblings relentlessly when he was the one
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  watching. Like he would tie them up to like the
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  tree house, like they were prisoners and stuff.
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  Like legit, they didn't want to and wanted to
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  get away and he would do that. And I'm like,
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  yeah, I think our kids have it just fine. Right.
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  Yeah. When you hear those stories. Yeah. My kids
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  call me in the phone like, oh, they play with
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  this game. Like, oh, that's so hard. Like, all
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  right. At least you're not getting tied up to
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  a tree house. Right. You're going to be there
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  for the rest of the night. Right. They're going
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  to let you go. So it's going to be fine. Yeah.
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  For me, I'm thinking about it like the times
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  where my sisters had to watch me. I was the I
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  was the troublemaker. They were like annoyed
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  by me because I was just the annoying little
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  brother. totally fair yeah so fast forward and
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  you end up going to college what did you decide
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  to study in college uh computer science okay
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  so you decide computer science did you love computers
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  i did yeah okay yeah pretty early on my dad was
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  really into like tech gadgets and stuff like
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  that so we had a computer pretty early on at
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  home and stuff and i'd love just kind of poking
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  around and doing stuff and editing stuff and
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  i i got a programming book pretty early on like
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  in middle school I would just read. I had, like,
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  no idea what I was reading, but I was still reading
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  it because I was like, this is so great. Programming
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  book. You can talk to computers, yeah. Holy moly.
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  Yeah, I just got into it. You're out there reading
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  programming books, and I'm there watching movies,
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  right? Like, okay, you're smart. Like, this is
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  good stuff. So do you do computer science degree?
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  Yeah, that's where I started. I switched to information
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  technology. Okay. Pretty early on. Okay. And
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  then. Same. Post -degree, you go get a job somewhere,
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  I assume, right? Where did you end up going?
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  So right after I graduated, I was here on a student
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  visa. Okay. And I got married to my wife. And
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  I'm really lazy. And I didn't work on my green
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  card or my residency paperwork. Yeah. Because
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  I was on a student visa. I'm fine. I graduate.
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  I have an internship working for the LDS Church.
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  I'm an engineer. Then it comes up that my visa
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  is expiring and I don't have a way to stay here
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  in the country. So I quickly apply to the University
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  of Utah to continue to be a student. Oh, for
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  a graduate degree. Because I was graduating and
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  so the student visa would expire. So I go and
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  apply for a master's program at the University
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  of Utah so I can stay in the country, of course.
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  And while I'm doing that, I'm... obviously applying
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  to get a green card and doing all that stuff.
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  Yeah. What's your home country? Switzerland.
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  So you would have had to go back to Switzerland.
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  Probably. Holy Toledo. Yeah, yeah. And you, have
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  you ever lived there? No, I mean, we visited
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  it. Isn't that wild? Yeah. So you get to go visit
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  a ton? No, not anymore. Not anymore. You did
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  when you were younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My parents,
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  a long time. But you haven't been back in a little
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  while? I took my wife last year. Hey. Hey, y
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  'all. After getting married for 18 years, I finally
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  took her to Switzerland. For reals. Did she love
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  it? She did. It was amazing. What was her favorite
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  part? I think the mountains. I know we have great
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  mountains here, but the ones in Switzerland,
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  that's next level. I mean, yeah. I mean, Utah's
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  got great mountains, right? And in the United
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  States, it's fantastic. But, like, the Swiss
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  Alps? Yeah, the Alps. Like, something else. I
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  mean, it's kind of iconic, right? Now, is...
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  Is the Matterhorn, is that in Switzerland? That's
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  in Switzerland, yes. Yeah, right? Like that is.
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  That's iconic now in Disneyland. Yep. Because
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  it is such a cool mountain. Yep. It's in Switzerland.
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  See, there you go. Yeah. I love going to Matterhorn
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  or in Disneyland and seeing all the Swiss flags
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  and all the Canton flags and all this stuff.
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  I'm sure. It's cool. Yeah, it's like that. It's
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  my... Yeah, yeah, yeah. My paisanos. Yeah, exactly.
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  So when did a love for... games come up for you?
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  Was that something where it was when you were
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  younger, teenage years, in your 20s? As far as
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  I can remember, again, my dad being very into
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  gadgets and technology and stuff, we had the
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  first Nintendo pretty early on. I was just a
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  couple years old when we got the very first NES.
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  The original Nintendo. What was your game? What
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  was your go -to game? Mario and Duck Hunt. Duck
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  Hunt, yeah. Yeah, the gun and everything. Oh,
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  yeah. That's a classic. That's right. Did you
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  ever play, like, Paperboy? Yes. Marble Madness?
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  I didn't have Marble. I'm aware of that one,
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  but I didn't. Bubble Bobble? Bubble Bobble. I
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  got some cool artwork of Bubble Bobble in my
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  office. Yeah, that game goes back. My sisters
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  and I would play that. We would play Bubble Bobble
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  so much. Yeah. I love that. I love those little
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  dragons. Anyway, but yeah, it started with video
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  games, mostly. okay so and then did you ever
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  play like board games when did you start evolving
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  into like more of the card games and other other
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  yeah i i kind of dabbled with it a little bit
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  in in middle school okay um i bought some magic
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  cards and i didn't really have anybody to play
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  with though yeah um and then warhammer okay got
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  the little figurines painted them kind of tried
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  to figure out the rules but you know like textbook
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  worth of stuff to figure out the rules and i
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  didn't have anyone to play with again i like
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  i just didn't have anybody this is me i'm just
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  buying these toys which is always very fascinating
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  buying Although I spend most of my time just
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  playing video games. Sure. Even though the board
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  game, the Warhammer, the cards were always very
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  fascinating to me. Sure. I didn't really have
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  the community or the way to kind of get into
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  it. Yeah. As you, in your teenage years, what
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  was your go -to video game? What did you play
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  a lot? It was always whatever the latest Nintendo
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  was. It was Mario, right? Mario 64 or Zelda.
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  You loved some Zelda, huh? Mario and Zelda was
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  my jam. See, I never, I never loved Zelda. Really?
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  I know I'm too linear. I was like the open world
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  exploration. Yes, I can't do it. Like I need
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  to have, I start here and I go there. It's why
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  a good, good friend of mine loves D &D. And he's
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  convinced that I'll love it because I do love
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  imagination and creativity. I love being a nerd.
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  I do. But like in it, when I've tried, it's not.
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  And there's no like, okay, I did this and I win
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  now. Yeah, correct. And so it's never like captured
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  my heart. but I also can appreciate why it can
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  be really fun and creativity with it. So, okay.
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  So we're going to get to more of that, but let's
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  loop in Robin Hood. Yes. Okay. So take us, take
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  us to the beginning. Now it's 1973, right? That's
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  when Robin Hood came out. So, you know, no spoilers
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  here, right? If you haven't seen it yet, that's
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  just too bad, right? Okay. It's been a long time.
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  But if anybody hasn't seen it, take us kind of
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  the overarching story of Disney's version of
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  Robin Hood. So give us the overarching story.
• 18:10
  What's kind of going on? Well, let's see. You
• 18:15
  have – it takes place in Nottingham, right? And
• 18:19
  then if I remember correctly, I just recently
• 18:22
  watched it except for the last little bit, but
• 18:24
  you have Prince John who's taking over for who
• 18:28
  the rightful king was. Yeah, because King Richard's
• 18:31
  out doing – Fighting wars. He's doing the – Crusades.
• 18:36
  He's in the Crusades, right? So he's not there.
• 18:38
  Everybody loves him. That's right. And it's his
• 18:41
  brother who not everybody loves. Who takes over
• 18:43
  and he's not great. He is not. People love him.
• 18:46
  He's not. Right. Likes to suck his thumb. Yes.
• 18:48
  Definitely. And he's known for taking a lot of
• 18:55
  money from all of the residents of Nottingham.
• 18:57
  You got the tax collector, right? Yeah. You got
• 19:01
  the sheriff of Nottingham who's a tax collector.
• 19:03
  That's right. and nobody was really happy with
• 19:05
  the way he was running things. And there was
• 19:08
  a lot of poverty in Nottingham, and Robin Hood
• 19:10
  steps up and sees this and tries to figure out
• 19:13
  clever different ways of taking money from Prince
• 19:16
  John and giving it back to the people in Nottingham,
• 19:19
  who he believed was rightfully there. He and
• 19:22
  his buddy Little John, right? Little John. Who,
• 19:24
  of course, is not so little. Yeah, correct. In
• 19:28
  Disney's version, a giant bear. He's humongous,
• 19:30
  right? And Robin Hood's a fox. I believe, right?
• 19:33
  So that's kind of the basis for the story we
• 19:37
  have where Robin Hood's kind of being outlawed,
• 19:40
  so to speak, right? And doesn't really see himself
• 19:43
  as a good guy or a hero at all at the beginning
• 19:45
  of the movie. He's like, this is the right thing
• 19:48
  to do. I'm just doing it. That's right. And he's
• 19:50
  having fun doing it. He's having a ton of fun.
• 19:52
  Because he's going to dress up in disguises,
• 19:54
  right? And he's just going to, you know, trick
• 19:57
  Prince John and Prince John's sidekick, which
• 20:00
  is the snake. I don't remember the snake's name.
• 20:01
  Sir Hiss. Well, I guess that would make sense.
• 20:04
  Sir Hiss. Of course, that's what it is. Of course,
• 20:07
  that's what it is. And Sir Hiss just, I actually
• 20:10
  feel bad for Sir Hiss. Oh, definitely. Like he's
• 20:13
  there. He's trying to like be a good sidekick
• 20:16
  to Prince John. Prince John's smacking him on
• 20:19
  the head and sitting on him and throwing him
• 20:22
  out. I kind of feel bad for Sirius. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:26
  yeah. He tries to help them and it doesn't quite
• 20:30
  work out. So then Robin Hood has grown up with
• 20:34
  and been around, but not really had the ability
• 20:39
  or at least he doesn't think the ability to connect
• 20:41
  fully with Maid Mary, right? That's right. So
• 20:44
  like he's... They're from two different worlds.
• 20:46
  Yes, they are. She's inside the castle grounds,
• 20:49
  right? And he's, of course, an outlaw. So have
• 20:52
  classic, you know, classic story of people from
• 20:54
  different worlds. And so, you know, one of the
• 20:57
  things that we're talking about today is this
• 20:58
  idea of bringing people together and also kind
• 21:02
  of peacemakers. So set the stage for us on like
• 21:05
  what you're kind of seeing is the arc of this
• 21:07
  story with Robin Hood and what you're seeing
• 21:10
  him play the role in as a story. Was he able
• 21:15
  to bring people together and who is he bringing
• 21:17
  together? So I think. It becomes very obvious
• 21:22
  there when they're all in prison. And we were
• 21:26
  just talking about that right now. During the,
• 21:30
  or right after the archery competition that Prince
• 21:34
  John puts on, Robin Hood is found and he's an
• 21:39
  outlaw. And they find out that all the people
• 21:42
  not a hand were helping him. So he puts them
• 21:43
  all in jail. I think they do a good job kind
• 21:47
  of showing off just Robin Hood bringing everybody
• 21:49
  together. yeah right helping him and his causes
• 21:53
  even though they didn't really have the means
• 21:55
  or anything like that to to do it yeah and i
• 21:58
  love seeing that part of the story everybody
• 22:00
  kind of coming together and yeah going to jail
• 22:02
  for him i guess yeah yeah and and and he's and
• 22:06
  i think when we look at why they do that you
• 22:10
  know he's he's beloved like the people the common
• 22:12
  people love him yes and in part again he's he's
• 22:18
  an outlaw because i mean he's he's stealing from
• 22:20
  the prince so he is stealing yeah yeah at the
• 22:22
  same time like in reality what's happening is
• 22:24
  the people are being taken advantage of and he
• 22:27
  sees that need and then he's willing to put himself
• 22:30
  at risk to help them and i think that's part
• 22:33
  of what it is right he's endeared the people
• 22:35
  to him because of what he was willing to do for
• 22:36
  them to try to right a wrong that was happening
• 22:39
  that's right uh because prince john was over
• 22:42
  taxing the people yes you know And he also kind
• 22:46
  of provided a form of hope for the people when
• 22:49
  they would see him. Totally. It was because,
• 22:52
  yeah, they're still in these tough situations,
• 22:54
  right? And yet they have hope that like, hey,
• 22:56
  there is somebody that cares about us. There
• 22:57
  is, you know, a pathway out, right? There is
• 23:00
  good in the world. It's not just evil Prince
• 23:01
  John all the time. That's right. Yeah. So, and
• 23:05
  one of the things too, we've made reference to
• 23:07
  this, but one of the quotes that I like is when
• 23:10
  Robin Hood and Friar Tucker talking. He's talking
• 23:15
  about Maid Marian, right? And that he would love
• 23:17
  to, but he doesn't think it's possible. And Robin
• 23:19
  Hood says, I'm an outlaw. That's what there's
• 23:21
  no life for. That's no life for a lovely lady.
• 23:24
  Always on the run. What kind of future is that?
• 23:26
  And Friar Tuck says, oh, for heaven's sake, son,
• 23:29
  you're no outlaw. Why someday you'll be called
• 23:32
  a great hero. Yeah. And so, you know, sometimes
• 23:35
  it takes. He's himself. outlaw yeah I'm doing
• 23:43
  this thing because I believe in it but doesn't
• 23:44
  really understand maybe at that time the actual
• 23:47
  impact of what he's having yeah yeah and why
• 23:49
  the people would love him for what he's doing
• 23:51
  yeah and Friar Tuck's like no no no like people
• 23:54
  do love you and this you are actually being a
• 23:56
  hero to these people yeah correct and I feel
• 23:58
  like it's so great that Friar Tuck kind of took
• 24:00
  on that responsibility to kind of help him see
• 24:01
  that is from his perspective from Robin Hood's
• 24:04
  perspective he's just being chased by all the
• 24:06
  guards constantly right and having arrows shot
• 24:08
  at him all the time and stuff right so It's cool
• 24:11
  to sometimes have someone in your life kind of
• 24:13
  tell you, hey, let me tell you what you're actually
• 24:15
  doing. Yeah, for sure. So here's a quote I wrote
• 24:19
  down from Brene Brown in her book, Braving the
• 24:22
  Wilderness, and I want to get your take on it.
• 24:23
  So I'm going to read it and just see what you
• 24:24
  think, okay? All right. True belonging is not
• 24:27
  passive. It's not the belonging that comes with
• 24:31
  just joining a group. It's not fitting in or
• 24:33
  pretending or selling out because it's safe.
• 24:36
  In other words, I'll go back to the very beginning.
• 24:37
  True belonging is not passive. So how does that
• 24:40
  fit in with this idea of belonging and what Robin
• 24:45
  Hood is doing and what we can do to try to belong?
• 24:48
  Yeah, no. I mean, he definitely didn't, you know,
• 24:52
  sit back on the sidelines and just watch things
• 24:54
  happen. He stepped up, right? And he was very
• 24:57
  involved in trying to kind of help the people
• 25:02
  and stuff like that, even though he wasn't like
• 25:04
  necessarily the one that was affected by it.
• 25:07
  Sure. right but he saw it happen he was he was
• 25:09
  very involved and um he got other people too
• 25:14
  to kind of not be passive either right and that's
• 25:19
  part of you know being active is just bringing
• 25:21
  those people together too yeah yeah and um like
• 25:27
  you said then what starts to happen is when somebody
• 25:29
  does that and he's putting himself out there
• 25:32
  he's sticking his neck out And quite literally,
• 25:36
  right, after the archery event, right? Because
• 25:41
  when they discover him, they're going to chop
• 25:44
  his head off. Yeah, correct. Which I always thought
• 25:46
  was funny. He has the sword. Prince John has
• 25:48
  the sword. He's in disguise. He uses the sword
• 25:51
  to cut the disguise off when at the end of the
• 25:54
  day, the goal was just to, you know, cut his
• 25:56
  head off. Yeah. He had the opportunity. He could
• 25:58
  have done it right there. Yeah. He could have
• 25:59
  had somebody else do his dirty work for him,
• 26:00
  though, right? He can't do that. PJ PJ wasn't
• 26:04
  about to do that right I always thought that
• 26:07
  was really funny about that scene so so with
• 26:11
  that so Robin Hood's doing this and the people
• 26:13
  are seeing what he's doing you know right to
• 26:15
  win the hand of Maid Marian but also obviously
• 26:18
  to help them and to support them because they're
• 26:20
  being taken advantage of and it starts to inspire
• 26:23
  other people to also take action because then
• 26:27
  starts to happen is and we kind of made reference
• 26:29
  to it but with friar tuck right like friar chuck
• 26:32
  i think is a good example of he's seeing what
• 26:34
  robin hood's doing and he's he's he's a man of
• 26:37
  god right so uh he's already gonna be you know
• 26:39
  generally speaking pretty pretty good natured
• 26:41
  but he gets kind of inspired because he sees
• 26:43
  the hope and and he's there in the church um
• 26:47
  and um prince john had just tripled the taxes
• 26:52
  yeah right like okay we're you know if they're
• 26:55
  not paying enough as it is now they're gonna
• 26:56
  go triple him because he's trying to like pull
• 26:58
  robin hood out like he's trying to get to robin
• 27:00
  hood um and so it's raining um it's soaked and
• 27:08
  no one's in the church the pews are empty because
• 27:10
  a lot of people have been arrested yep and um
• 27:12
  sexton is there he's a little mouse a little
• 27:15
  sidekick mouse uh and he says uh friar chuck
• 27:19
  i don't think anyone is coming and friar chuck
• 27:21
  says you're right sexton But maybe the sound
• 27:24
  of this church bell will bring those poor people
• 27:26
  some comfort. We must do what we can to keep
• 27:28
  their hopes alive. Yeah, that's great. Right,
• 27:31
  which I think is just really sweet. What's your
• 27:32
  take on that for Friar Tuck and what he was motivated
• 27:35
  to do and what the impact was of that? Well,
• 27:37
  yeah, because he saw his role in the community
• 27:41
  and how he could help. And he didn't shy away
• 27:45
  from that. I thought that was pretty great. Also,
• 27:49
  with Friar Tuck, earlier on in the movie, And
• 27:52
  he goes and helps the blacksmith, I think it
• 27:55
  is, right? He's like, hey, you know, we found
• 27:58
  this at the church. We know you need some. Yes.
• 28:00
  Here's some, right? So he's just trying to find
• 28:02
  a little way he can make a difference. Bringing
• 28:06
  the bell or just bringing a little bit of money,
• 28:08
  right? And I think it's really, it's emblematic
• 28:12
  of the ways that we can find little ways to help
• 28:15
  other people and bring a little bit of hope because
• 28:16
  sometimes it's tough, right? Sometimes. They
• 28:20
  don't have to be great gestures. That's right.
• 28:22
  We don't have to, I guess, comparing or contrasting,
• 28:26
  I suppose, with Robin Hood. We don't have to
• 28:28
  take every bag of gold from Prince John that
• 28:31
  he has in his room. It doesn't have to be that
• 28:33
  big, grand gesture. And all of those actions
• 28:41
  can help people to have a little bit greater
• 28:44
  sense of belonging, which is kind of what we're
• 28:46
  talking about, right? Just letting them know
• 28:48
  that you're there. Yeah. Even though Friar Tuck
• 28:49
  wasn't necessarily doing anything but ringing
• 28:51
  the bells, just letting everybody know. I'm here.
• 28:55
  And, and, you know, what, what it leads me to
• 28:57
  is, um, a quote that I actually have come back
• 28:59
  to quite frequently from Dr. Vivek Murthy, um,
• 29:03
  who was the U S surgeon general. I just, I just,
• 29:06
  I love this study that was done. It was a study
• 29:08
  on, um, the epidemic of loneliness and isolation.
• 29:11
  Um, and one of the things he said in there, one
• 29:13
  of the findings they had, they said our epidemic
• 29:16
  of loneliness and isolation. has been an underappreciated
• 29:20
  public health crisis that has harmed individual
• 29:22
  and societal health. Our relationships are a
• 29:26
  source of healing and well -being hiding in plain
• 29:29
  sight, one that can help us live healthier, more
• 29:32
  fulfilled, and more productive lives. That's
• 29:36
  a cool quote. Like, doesn't that just put it
• 29:38
  so well? Because loneliness is a real thing.
• 29:42
  And loneliness has always existed. And, you know,
• 29:45
  it's really, it's always easy for us to say like
• 29:47
  our time's the worst. Our time is probably not
• 29:49
  the worst. But what I do highlight is that today,
• 29:53
  because technology can suck us away from connection
• 29:57
  with other people, that I think people are experiencing
• 30:01
  loneliness in part because it's really easy just
• 30:04
  to escape into your phone, escape into technology,
• 30:07
  not put yourself out there. Before we jump back
• 30:11
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• 30:15
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• 30:24
  build the most wonderful place in the world but
• 30:27
  it takes people to make the dream a reality and
• 30:31
  so what it takes me to is i want to talk about
• 30:35
  your your game store okay because to me like
• 30:40
  it's it's the epitome of what that's talking
• 30:43
  about oh yeah And so tell me for you, why did
• 30:46
  you and Dan decide to start this game store when
• 30:50
  you're a senior software architect, right? And
• 30:54
  you've got a great career. You've got a great
• 30:56
  education. You've got a family, right? Why suddenly
• 31:00
  decide to start this game store? Yeah. So this
• 31:04
  started about just a little over three years
• 31:06
  ago when my sons and I, we got into a little
• 31:11
  game called Disney Lurkana. uh they made the
• 31:15
  announcement two or three d23s ago that there's
• 31:18
  a trading card game coming out with disney characters
• 31:21
  and like i mentioned earlier i've kind of always
• 31:23
  been into like that more like the nerdier side
• 31:25
  of things like the warhammer the magic and stuff
• 31:27
  like that and i've been a disney fan my entire
• 31:30
  life pretty much so i saw a lot of my interest
• 31:33
  kind of coming together and something i could
• 31:35
  do with my kids and stuff like that right so
• 31:37
  we got uh when it first came out we bought the
• 31:40
  cards and We were playing at home, just kitchen
• 31:43
  table and whatever. But it was kind of hard to
• 31:44
  get cards. They had underprinted the first set,
• 31:48
  and we were just trying to get our hands on as
• 31:50
  many cards as we could. The best way was to go
• 31:56
  to GameStop and their events, and you would get
• 32:00
  packs for participating. So we started visiting
• 32:03
  a lot of the game stores in the area, me and
• 32:06
  my two boys, two of my boys, and kind of started
• 32:10
  talking to other people in the space who also
• 32:13
  loved it. who loved card games. And I started
• 32:16
  kind of, I don't want to say coming out of my
• 32:19
  shell, but I started finding myself doing something
• 32:20
  I had never really done in my adult life, which
• 32:24
  was making friends outside of work. Yeah. Right.
• 32:27
  And that was just fascinating to me. Like I had
• 32:31
  such a different persona now in playing card
• 32:34
  games in the Disney world with, in all these
• 32:37
  card shops and game stores. And it... helped
• 32:42
  me so much and i was working at home at the time
• 32:44
  too right so like it helped me so and i get out
• 32:47
  of my little bubble and get out there i found
• 32:50
  myself doing things like approaching other people
• 32:52
  for the first time and talking to them and and
• 32:54
  being the instigator of conversations and stuff
• 32:56
  like that that i i didn't really do before right
• 32:59
  i was just kind of hid behind my computer working
• 33:01
  as a software engineer stuff like that so it
• 33:03
  helped me in like so many different ways i was
• 33:06
  like this is this is amazing right uh and over
• 33:10
  about like a year a year and a half of visiting
• 33:13
  all the game stores in in utah and traveling
• 33:16
  because of orkana i started realizing there's
• 33:18
  a lot of things we could do better right and
• 33:20
  realizing that there's a need there's a lot of
• 33:22
  people who come to these stores looking for something
• 33:24
  right uh they're looking for that connection
• 33:26
  and they're looking for a place to play they
• 33:28
  don't necessarily have that at home or or anything
• 33:30
  like that and that's when i approached uh dan
• 33:34
  langford um my business partner someone i've
• 33:38
  known for 16 years now. And I know he kind of
• 33:42
  has like a penchant for the nerdy stuff just
• 33:44
  like I do and stuff like that. So I approached
• 33:46
  him and I was like, hey, what do you think of
• 33:47
  this idea? Let's start a game store and let's
• 33:51
  just try to do it a little bit better. Right?
• 33:53
  And try to focus on what's important. And that's
• 33:55
  how we kind of came up with this idea of just
• 33:57
  the third space, a community. Yes, we sell cards,
• 34:01
  we sell games and things like that, but our focus
• 34:03
  is having a community, a place that people can
• 34:07
  come and just play games. Which, I mean, I think
• 34:11
  is such a needed thing. Because like you're saying,
• 34:17
  it's like a place that's not at work where you
• 34:20
  can actually connect with people and make friends.
• 34:22
  And people who have similar interests. Totally.
• 34:26
  Because at work, you're not always going to find
• 34:28
  people who have the same interests as you do.
• 34:31
  And it's not that it's bad to make friends at
• 34:33
  work. That's great, right? You want to like the
• 34:35
  people you work with. I love the people I work
• 34:36
  with, right? Our producer, one of the best guys
• 34:38
  around. Like I love working with this guy. And
• 34:41
  this is a yes and, right? And there's also like
• 34:44
  a need for it like outside of just working home.
• 34:48
  That's right. As you're talking about it, I kept
• 34:50
  coming back to like my own personal life. Like
• 34:52
  I used to do some community theater. Oh, very
• 34:55
  cool. And it was so that way. Yeah. It was like
• 34:57
  we had this shared experience. We had this shared
• 35:00
  love and passion for the theater and for performing.
• 35:03
  And it was building bonds and relationships and
• 35:06
  friendships in a way that is just totally unique
• 35:09
  from something you would find at work or at home.
• 35:11
  And was just like something that's really valuable.
• 35:14
  That's why I'm a big supporter of community theater.
• 35:16
  I think there's so much value in community theater
• 35:19
  for bringing people together, for the performers,
• 35:22
  for them connecting with the audience, right?
• 35:24
  um and um it's it's for that same reason that
• 35:27
  as i've started to get more exposure to this
• 35:29
  this game world it's it's exactly all the things
• 35:33
  that i loved about community theater and i'm
• 35:36
  just when i when i visited your shop it's exactly
• 35:38
  the way that i felt i saw it i saw it take place
• 35:41
  i saw people coming in and recognizing people
• 35:43
  and talking and connecting and people light up
• 35:47
  I could, I saw, I saw visibly people light up
• 35:50
  when they suddenly walked in and could have this
• 35:52
  community of people that they felt like they
• 35:54
  belonged, which is something that was really
• 35:56
  special. It was really cool. And again, it's
• 35:59
  just something that I think is so needed. You
• 36:01
  know, when you talk about, you made reference
• 36:04
  briefly to your love of Disney. Yes. So I want
• 36:06
  to go back to that and then we'll come and then
• 36:08
  we'll jump forward again. Because one of the
• 36:10
  things that I didn't ask you about that I want
• 36:12
  to go back to and ask you about was growing up.
• 36:14
  what your connection to Disney was and why that
• 36:17
  was something that became special for you. Because
• 36:18
  we talked about that before. So tell our audience
• 36:20
  about what you would do with Disney. I think
• 36:23
  it was Disney World specifically. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:25
  yeah. Specifically Disney World. So I went to
• 36:29
  Disney World and I don't know what the impetus
• 36:31
  was. I should probably ask them. But I was just
• 36:35
  like two months old, right? It was December of
• 36:37
  1985. And they took us all to Disney World. Something
• 36:43
  my dad kind of fell in love with it and just
• 36:45
  started taking us pretty much every year after
• 36:47
  that. So all the memories I have, I mean, from
• 36:51
  the very beginning, Disney World's involved somewhere,
• 36:53
  right? We'd go. And what was nice about that
• 36:58
  is when you're moving around a lot and your life
• 37:01
  is changing a lot from like culture to culture,
• 37:03
  language to language, right? Being able to basically
• 37:07
  go home to Disney World. It was the constant
• 37:11
  in my life. And I just, I felt comfortable there.
• 37:16
  I felt like things wouldn't change, you know?
• 37:19
  Like, my life was just so much change and stuff
• 37:22
  that Disney World kind of provided that home
• 37:25
  feeling of like, no, this is home. This is where
• 37:29
  you come back to. Yeah. You know, every year.
• 37:32
  Are there any specific memories you have since
• 37:36
  you were there with your family of things? um
• 37:42
  i don't know that you do there wasn't something
• 37:43
  that was specific i just thought there's something
• 37:46
  yeah um the the the monorail people and i remember
• 37:54
  staying at the temporary resort and taking the
• 37:56
  monorail to the magic kingdom uh just the smell
• 37:59
  of the monorail um and like the turkey leg i
• 38:03
  remember our whole family we'd offer one turkey
• 38:05
  leg right because they're so big you know it'd
• 38:09
  be the whole family with it and and just it's
• 38:12
  just those those little things yeah you know
• 38:14
  when you were growing up what was your favorite
• 38:17
  park which one did it was always magic kingdom
• 38:19
  or did you guys go yeah as a kid obviously magic
• 38:21
  kingdom and then hollywood studios took over
• 38:23
  pretty quick and at the time mgm studios yeah
• 38:25
  yeah it was it was that at first and then yes
• 38:27
  yeah they eventually made change and initially
• 38:30
  uh it was relatively small it was they didn't
• 38:35
  think uh that it was going to be a whole day
• 38:38
  experience they thought people would just want
• 38:39
  to pop in there for a half a day and they quickly
• 38:41
  realized like oh no though there's more of a
• 38:43
  demand here yeah people want to be here a whole
• 38:46
  lot more often um i didn't go to to mgm uh MGM
• 38:51
  Studios, is that what it's called? I only went
• 38:54
  once it was Hollywood Studios many, many years
• 38:56
  later. In fact, the first time I went to Disney
• 38:58
  World was, I think, three years ago. So I didn't
• 38:59
  experience that. But at the time, didn't they
• 39:01
  have some kind of movie ride or something? Yeah,
• 39:03
  yeah, the Great Movie Ride. Yeah, what was that
• 39:05
  like? Yeah, it was pretty fun. Um, it was like
• 39:09
  a combination of a, a dark ride, but you had
• 39:11
  actors in the ride that were like interacting
• 39:13
  with you and zoo and stuff. Right. So you got
• 39:16
  on this train, you're going through, you're seeing
• 39:18
  a lot of scenes from, from movies, big movies
• 39:20
  at the time. And then you have like this mafia
• 39:23
  guys come in and they take your train hostage
• 39:26
  and like, they're driving you off. And it's just,
• 39:29
  it was really cool to kind of see them blend.
• 39:32
  Like just like a typical dark ride, but then
• 39:34
  with all the acting and theatrics that, you know,
• 39:36
  Disney and put it all together in one big show.
• 39:39
  Yeah. It was just really cool. I loved it. That
• 39:42
  was a lot of fun. Yeah. That would have been
• 39:44
  great to go on. Yeah. I'm sad that I missed that
• 39:47
  experience getting to go there. It's cool. Like
• 39:48
  think about it now though. Yeah. I don't know
• 39:52
  how well it would hold up nowadays, but I mean,
• 39:55
  sure. Also be hard, right? Having actors have
• 39:57
  to be a part of the ride all day, every single
• 39:59
  day. It takes a lot, right? It takes a lot to
• 40:01
  have to do that with as many people as you want
• 40:03
  to push through a line and push through because
• 40:06
  Disney wants to have good experiences and they
• 40:08
  want to have great experiences. They also have
• 40:10
  to push a lot of people through like a pretty
• 40:13
  high volume. I don't know what the stats are,
• 40:16
  but I've heard them at times, but how many turkey
• 40:18
  legs they go through in a day is insane. It's
• 40:22
  insane. I'm partial to a Disney churro, which
• 40:26
  they don't have much in Disney World. What's
• 40:29
  the deal with that? Can you explain that to me?
• 40:31
  What is going on? We need to ask Bob Weiss about
• 40:33
  that. Bob, what is going on? The churros are
• 40:35
  amazing. That's the one thing I do miss when
• 40:37
  we go to Disney World. The churros just aren't
• 40:39
  there. And all the different toppings, all the
• 40:41
  different... sauces you can dip it in it's not
• 40:43
  there yeah and i i mean every time we go i i
• 40:47
  just i could have 10 churros a day to be honest
• 40:50
  like they're so that's what we do every time
• 40:52
  we go i always try to find the special churro
• 40:53
  because those always they'll always be that one
• 40:55
  stand you know somewhere tucked away in the corner
• 40:57
  that's like the the themed churro of whatever
• 40:59
  it is you know for sure it's so good yeah when
• 41:02
  you go into disney california adventure a lot
• 41:04
  of times they'll have that right there in carthay
• 41:06
  circle yes the one rise you turn right for it
• 41:10
  yeah one Like over on Pixar Pier, right? I haven't
• 41:21
  always loved those ones over there. Sometimes
• 41:23
  they'll do some weird stuff. They'll insert some
• 41:25
  flavor into it. I'm like, that doesn't really
• 41:27
  hit for me. I'm like, well, where's the original
• 41:29
  one? And I go find it. But I still like trying
• 41:32
  it. I almost have to try it. Hey, if Disney's
• 41:36
  putting it out, it's probably going to be okay.
• 41:39
  They got a lot of trust from me. I will put myself
• 41:42
  out there with Disney stuff. So you kind of have
• 41:45
  this Disney connection. You go there and you
• 41:53
  have belonging there. And this kind of carries
• 41:55
  through like as Disney or Kana comes out and
• 41:58
  you have this connection with Disney and Disney
• 41:59
  characters. And now that you guys have this game
• 42:03
  shop that you've got going, what's that experience
• 42:05
  been like for you of having this game shop where
• 42:10
  people are connecting and they are coming? What's
• 42:14
  that emotional experience like for you? It's
• 42:16
  been amazing. Just to share kind of a story along
• 42:20
  those lines. We've not even been open a whole
• 42:23
  year yet, right? We're seven months, eight months
• 42:26
  in. A couple of months ago, kind of going with
• 42:30
  the whole theme of like bringing people together
• 42:32
  and providing a place for people. We have this
• 42:35
  one magic player. and she's really into magic,
• 42:41
  and she's also really into girly stuff. And usually
• 42:43
  magic, the gathering, and girly stuff don't really
• 42:45
  quite, you know, fit together. And she's got
• 42:49
  a lot of friends across the valley, and she did
• 42:54
  a magic girly night at our store. And all these
• 42:59
  women would come together, and they would bedazzle
• 43:01
  their deck boxes and their little top loaders,
• 43:03
  and they would play magic together and stuff,
• 43:06
  and it was just for them. a couple of them came
• 43:09
  up to us after just saying how they'll never
• 43:12
  be able to do this at any other game store and
• 43:14
  how they felt so safe and they felt like cared
• 43:18
  for and a community for them to kind of just
• 43:22
  do this that normally you wouldn't find in the
• 43:24
  magic community doing that. And that was to me,
• 43:28
  probably the greatest thing that they could have
• 43:30
  said that we provided a place for them to be
• 43:33
  able to be themselves, right. To find common
• 43:36
  ground among. all the girlies here in Utah to
• 43:39
  get together and just do what they wanted to
• 43:41
  do with magic, you know, and provide a safe space
• 43:43
  for them and a community for them to do that.
• 43:46
  And that to me is like, we've achieved it. You
• 43:49
  know what I mean? Like, even if it's not financially
• 43:51
  successful or anything like that, but if we can
• 43:53
  give people like this, that kind of place, I'm
• 43:55
  just like, I'm elated. Yeah. It's so great. It's,
• 43:58
  I mean, that just takes me right back to one
• 44:00
  of the really famous things that Simon Sinek
• 44:02
  said, which is people don't buy what you do.
• 44:04
  They buy why you do it. Yeah. And I feel like
• 44:07
  that's what you and Dan have created is people
• 44:11
  connect with the reason that you're doing it.
• 44:13
  Like, yeah, you got to sell cards. Like, yes,
• 44:17
  that's part of what it does to keep the doors
• 44:18
  open. But the purpose is to have this belonging.
• 44:21
  The purpose is to build this community, to give
• 44:23
  people a place. Right. And clearly people are
• 44:27
  connecting with that. And that's why they keep
• 44:30
  coming back. Right. So one of the things I want
• 44:33
  to ask you about, so like you guys will. you'll
• 44:35
  have these games that people are playing, they're
• 44:37
  playing them against each other, right? Like
• 44:40
  if it's a tournament, people, there's winners
• 44:42
  and there's losers, right? And so like in my
• 44:45
  world, in the divorce world, like there are certainly
• 44:48
  winners and losers and that there's a lot of
• 44:52
  discord that happens, right? A lot of disharmony.
• 44:55
  What is it about the games that you guys do or
• 44:59
  the tournaments that you run that allow for competition?
• 45:04
  Yeah. But also allow for the coming together
• 45:07
  and still that sense of belonging with people
• 45:09
  who respect each other and care for each other
• 45:11
  and know each other and want to do it together.
• 45:13
  Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good question. I
• 45:16
  think a lot of it is just being able to do the
• 45:22
  thing you love. Right. So there is competition
• 45:26
  and sometimes it is a bummer to lose out and
• 45:29
  not get the prize that you were hoping for. But
• 45:31
  at the end of the day, you got to do the thing
• 45:33
  that. you loved right which was play lurkan or
• 45:37
  play magic or whatever it is that you're doing
• 45:39
  but it's it's a thing you love you know um and
• 45:42
  i think that's what gets people you know coming
• 45:46
  back because we're just providing a place for
• 45:48
  you to do the thing that you love to do and eventually
• 45:51
  too like i said like i've made some of the best
• 45:53
  friends in my life playing uh disney lurkana
• 45:56
  you know even though they're oftentimes they're
• 45:59
  my competitors in the tournament yeah you still
• 46:01
  end up just loving that you're doing this with
• 46:04
  them the thing you love with people that you
• 46:06
  love and it's just it's it's really cool it's
• 46:08
  a it's a very cool different thing to be a part
• 46:12
  of yeah for like a better word right it's a thing
• 46:15
  it's a thing yeah um well in relation to that
• 46:18
  thing um one of the things we could call that
• 46:21
  thing would even maybe be a movement dare i say
• 46:25
  and here's why i say that i found a quote uh
• 46:27
  from uh derek sievers um and it was a ted talk
• 46:31
  that he gave and it was called how to start a
• 46:33
  movement okay um and he said if you really care
• 46:36
  about starting a movement have the courage to
• 46:38
  follow and show others how to follow and when
• 46:41
  you find a lone nut doing something great have
• 46:43
  the guts to be the first one to stand up and
• 46:45
  join in oh that's very cool i just love it like
• 46:48
  yeah you know you you and dan obviously have
• 46:52
  a love for games and a love for doing things
• 46:54
  you guys have known each other for a while and
• 46:55
  one of you on your own maybe could have done
• 46:58
  it but what i love is the two of you came together
• 47:00
  yeah like hey we see something here right we
• 47:03
  see something that's going on we see people connecting
• 47:05
  we see there's there's a need in the market and
• 47:08
  we're gonna we're gonna join together and do
• 47:11
  this thing together And then as people have come
• 47:14
  in, they've come in and seen that and then want
• 47:17
  to join that movement and bring their friends
• 47:19
  and join that movement. Yes. And it starts to
• 47:21
  build momentum that way, which I think is something
• 47:23
  really great. Yeah, we've definitely noticed
• 47:25
  the momentum piece of it. We've not done any
• 47:27
  kind of marketing at all. We do have a Facebook
• 47:29
  page that we post events and stuff like that,
• 47:31
  but it's not huge. Everyone just brings their
• 47:33
  friends. And that's where all of our growth has
• 47:36
  been. People get so excited about it, they bring
• 47:39
  the people they love to it. Like, hey, come do
• 47:41
  this with me. That's been really cool to watch
• 47:44
  that. What are you most excited about right now?
• 47:50
  In general. It doesn't have to just be the game
• 47:52
  store, but in general. What are you most excited
• 47:54
  about right now? Putting me on the spot there.
• 47:59
  I know. Just in general. What am I most excited
• 48:02
  about? It could be the game store. Well, I'm
• 48:04
  going to Disney World in three weeks. We're really
• 48:08
  looking forward to that. Yeah. Okay. I love it.
• 48:10
  Yeah. Getting ready for that. All the kids keep
• 48:12
  talking about it. So taking the whole family.
• 48:14
  Yeah. We're taking the whole family. And remind
• 48:16
  me how many kids you have. I have four kids.
• 48:17
  Four kids. Ages. What to what? 17 down to 10.
• 48:23
  Okay. So very, very similar to mine. Mine are
• 48:25
  17 down to six. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quite
• 48:28
  the spread. Um, so you guys are going to Disney
• 48:31
  world. Yes. How many days? Uh, eight, seven,
• 48:34
  eight. Eight, nine days. Let's go. So you're
• 48:37
  going to get all the parks. Yes, we could. But
• 48:42
  you're not going to. We're not going to. Okay.
• 48:43
  You're going to do which parks? We were just
• 48:46
  there not too long ago. So we're going to focus
• 48:48
  on the parks that have new stuff. So there's
• 48:50
  been a couple of new things come out in the park
• 48:52
  since we were last there. We're going to focus
• 48:53
  on those. Okay. There's a couple of parks that
• 48:55
  we might just have to skip. Yeah. Are you guys
• 48:58
  going to go hang out at the beach for part of
• 49:01
  it? Are you going to go to Universal for part
• 49:02
  of it? Where are you staying? Old Key West. Old
• 49:10
  Key West, okay. Yeah, we love Old Key West. But
• 49:14
  we love just going to the different resorts.
• 49:16
  Yeah. My wife and I are big foodies, and we love
• 49:19
  all the food at Disney World, and we love that
• 49:20
  over the last 10, 15 years, Disney World has
• 49:22
  focused really heavily on the food we have. And
• 49:27
  we're going for the... Okay, fun. At Epcot. Yeah.
• 49:31
  We just love walking to the different resorts
• 49:33
  or taking the monorail or the... the new and
• 49:36
  the Skyliner over to the different resorts and
• 49:38
  just putting the food there and stuff like that,
• 49:40
  right? So we love doing that aspect to it just
• 49:42
  as much as the parks. Do you guys go to Disney
• 49:44
  Springs much? We do. Yeah, I love Springs. Yeah,
• 49:47
  it's great. And it's huge. It is. Because, again,
• 49:51
  I'm a Disneyland guy. Yeah, yeah, where you have
• 49:53
  your downtown. Yeah, I mean, downtown Disney
• 49:55
  is great, but it's not nearly the size of Disney
• 49:58
  Springs. That place is humongous and got some
• 50:00
  really fun food places. There's a barbecue place
• 50:04
  there. Have you been a pig? Yes. That place is
• 50:08
  legit. They have fantastic Brussels sprouts.
• 50:10
  They actually do. That's exactly right. They're
• 50:14
  y 'all y 'all got to go and you got to get the
• 50:17
  Brussels sprouts at this barbecue place. Yep.
• 50:19
  Because you're going to taste me like, wow, I've
• 50:21
  never had Brussels sprouts like that ever before.
• 50:24
  The only time I've had ones as good as like really,
• 50:25
  really fancy restaurants where you're like really
• 50:28
  expensive. Correct. I mean, they're not cheap
• 50:30
  there, but like they're not nearly expensive
• 50:32
  as a fancy restaurant. They're amazing. Totally
• 50:35
  great. Yeah, totally great. Disney Springs is
• 50:37
  a fun time. What's good? You guys are going to
• 50:39
  have fun there. Yeah. Good. Well, not everywhere
• 50:42
  can be the happiest place on earth. And at RCG
• 50:46
  Law Group, my job outside of our podcast, we
• 50:49
  get that. Life throws curveballs, legal stuff,
• 50:53
  family stuff, the things you didn't see coming.
• 50:55
  That's what we're here for. If you're dealing
• 50:58
  with something and don't know where to turn,
• 51:00
  give RCG a call. What we'll do at the end is
• 51:04
  we're going to circle back to see if you have
• 51:05
  any final thoughts about Robin Hood. We didn't
• 51:08
  talk about Wally. No. We can. All right. We can.
• 51:12
  We'll circle back to that. Before we get there,
• 51:13
  I want to do a couple of quick fun segments with
• 51:15
  you. Okay. We're going to do a this or that and
• 51:16
  then a rapid fire. Okay. Okay. So this or that.
• 51:19
  Make your choice of which one you think it is.
• 51:21
  No stress. No pressure. I'll always have opinions
• 51:25
  as well. Sure. So, fear not. Robin Hood or Little
• 51:29
  John? Oh, Robin Hood. He's so great. Now, Little
• 51:33
  John's fun. Of course, it's Robin. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:35
  Of course it is. Bow and arrow or sword? Oh,
• 51:40
  bow and arrow. You bow and arrow guy? Yeah. I'm
• 51:42
  a distance. I don't want to fight. Keep your
• 51:45
  distance. You don't need close combat. Okay.
• 51:47
  I can appreciate that. Yeah. I can totally appreciate
• 51:49
  that. Sherwood Forest or the castle? Castle.
• 51:55
  Okay. I mean, castles are cool. Castles are cool.
• 51:58
  Man, castles are so awesome. Very cool. Are there
• 52:01
  any castles in Sweden? Sorry, Switzerland? Switzerland.
• 52:05
  Yeah, there are. You would find like in France
• 52:08
  or Germany or anything like that. I don't know,
• 52:09
  but they're there. They're there? For sure. They're
• 52:10
  pretty cool? Have you visited many of them? Oh,
• 52:13
  yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Are there like some in
• 52:16
  the Alps? See, that would be cool. That would
• 52:18
  be cool. Not that I know of. I don't know. Someone's
• 52:21
  going to call me out on that. I know. Well, we're
• 52:23
  going to find out, right? We're going to find
• 52:24
  out if there's a castle in the house. Not far
• 52:26
  from Neuschwanstein. which is you know southern
• 52:29
  germany which was the castle that walt disney
• 52:32
  based the cinderella castle or the magic kingdom
• 52:34
  is based on neuschwanstein that's not very far
• 52:37
  from switzerland so like is that the one that's
• 52:39
  in soaring over the world yes that's the one
• 52:42
  is it really that's just in southern germany
• 52:44
  man that thing it's not too far oh i'd love to
• 52:47
  go it's gorgeous i've been there my it's fantastic
• 52:49
  goodness that's why i say castles for sure i
• 52:52
  get it and i'm not much of a nature i don't do
• 52:54
  camping Okay. So you're like, no. I work with
• 52:56
  computers. Yeah, that's fair. Look, that's fair.
• 52:59
  I like my modern conveniences. I do too. And
• 53:02
  I grew up in Boy Scouts. So I grew up half into
• 53:05
  camp like we had to. My dad was a scout master.
• 53:08
  So we had to. He's got a lot of that. And he
• 53:10
  also loves the national parks. And Utah has a
• 53:13
  ton, right? Admittedly. National parks are fantastic.
• 53:15
  I'm not trying to take away from that. But I
• 53:17
  am not a camper, man. Bro, I had to go. I had
• 53:21
  to. I shouldn't say it that way. I had the opportunity.
• 53:24
  to go to a young men's camp with my two boys
• 53:27
  this summer um and we went to the green river
• 53:31
  and did some canyoning oh yeah which was great
• 53:33
  but bro sleeping in a tent it was oh it's for
• 53:39
  the birds man yeah i was like there's a reason
• 53:41
  i haven't done this in like 15 years because
• 53:43
  i do not care for that i should have been smart
• 53:46
  there was a couple other leaders they had like
• 53:49
  Big old trailers they brought with AC. Oh, there
• 53:52
  you go. Bro, I was like, y 'all didn't invite
• 53:54
  me in. You're making me sleep in the tent? But
• 53:57
  at that point, just go to the nearest hotel.
• 53:59
  And I'm all about hiking. I'll go hiking. I'll
• 54:02
  enjoy, you know, Switzerland. We have amazing
• 54:04
  nature and love being outdoors. But, yeah, when
• 54:09
  it comes to sleeping or bathrooms or anything
• 54:11
  like that, just give me modern, you know, amenities.
• 54:14
  Yeah, I'm with you. There was a... There was
• 54:17
  a hotel that was about 15 minutes outside of
• 54:19
  camp. And me and one of the other leaders, we
• 54:21
  were very close to staying there. Like, very
• 54:25
  close. I toughed it out. I made it work for the
• 54:28
  three nights that we were there, but I was tempted.
• 54:31
  Okay, Maid Marian or Lady Cluck? Okay, that's
• 54:35
  a really good question. So, I might get to this.
• 54:40
  My favorite song, I love Love. The song's Love.
• 54:43
  That made Marion's favorite Disney song. So I
• 54:48
  love that. But going back to that scene where
• 54:51
  they're all fighting after the archery thing,
• 54:55
  Lady Cluck rolls up her arms and she gets in
• 54:57
  there. She just starts fighting for the sake
• 54:59
  of fighting. And it's hilarious. And I love Lady
• 55:02
  Cluck for that. She's got some gumption, man.
• 55:04
  Yeah, for real. She'll be one of my favorites
• 55:06
  just because of that scene where she just gets
• 55:08
  in there. She's so great. So Chris, that's a
• 55:10
  tough one for me. Probably I'm going to go with
• 55:13
  Made Marian. Made Marian. Yeah. Because the song.
• 55:16
  My song. I love that song. Totally makes sense.
• 55:17
  Yeah. Okay. Board games or video games? Video
• 55:22
  games. Okay. What's your, if you had to pick
• 55:24
  one, what's your favorite video game? Oh, Mario.
• 55:27
  Like the rich? The OG? Mario 64. The OG Mario.
• 55:30
  Mario 3. Okay. Mario 2. Mario Odyssey. Okay.
• 55:34
  How about this? I could keep going. I'm going
• 55:35
  to go with this or that or that. Mario 1, 2,
• 55:38
  or 3? 3. I loved 3. It was so good. It was really
• 55:42
  fun. I will admit, because I didn't have a lot
• 55:45
  of patience to make out with the games a lot
• 55:46
  of times, I would like to find the ways that
• 55:48
  I could then skip ahead of the worlds. I cheated
• 55:50
  like 100%. You get the flute and you move on
• 55:52
  to the next. Let me cheat. Number two, I never
• 55:55
  passed. I never beat number two. It was hard,
• 55:58
  man. Yeah. It was a tough game. Okay. Pokemon
• 56:02
  or Lorkana? Lorkana. Pokemon or Magic? Respect
• 56:07
  to Magic for introducing card games. We have
• 56:10
  TCGs because of magic, so respect. I'm going
• 56:13
  to have to say magic. Okay. Totally fair. Game
• 56:17
  night at home or game night at the game store?
• 56:20
  Game store. Okay. Do you bring your kids there
• 56:23
  ever? Oh, yeah. I'm there all the time with my
• 56:25
  kids. I'm sure they love it. Yeah. I'm sure they
• 56:27
  love it. Opening a pack or trading for the card
• 56:31
  you want? Opening a pack. That hits different.
• 56:34
  Yeah. Does it? Yeah. Opening a pack. Yeah. It's
• 56:37
  like crack. People love that stuff, man. I mean,
• 56:40
  they call it cardboard crack for a reason. Opening
• 56:42
  packs, there's something there. Okay, I love
• 56:44
  it. Disneyland or Disney World? Yeah, Disney
• 56:48
  World for sure. And that's where you went? Yeah,
• 56:50
  just nostalgia, right? Totally. Yeah, that's
• 56:54
  why for me it's Disneyland, right? But boy, I'll
• 56:56
  let me have some Disney World. Now that I've
• 56:57
  been twice, man, it's fun. I love Epcot. There's
• 57:00
  always something to do. Like, Epcot is... That's
• 57:04
  my favorite in the Disney World area. Like, it's
• 57:06
  so good. The food's great. They've got amazing
• 57:09
  rides. That new Guardians ride, unbelievable.
• 57:13
  It is the best roller coaster. Like, it just
• 57:15
  totally is. It's so good. Okay, here's our rapid
• 57:17
  fire. Okay. Okay, so we are going to get to that
• 57:19
  one question, but we will get in there in a second.
• 57:21
  Favorite Disney movie? Right now, it's WALL -E.
• 57:25
  Okay. I love WALL -E. Okay, so since we didn't
• 57:28
  get to WALL -E, even though this is rapid fire,
• 57:30
  we're going to pretend like it's not rapid fire.
• 57:32
  Tell me more about WALL -E. um about why you
• 57:34
  love it and if there's any kind of connection
• 57:36
  to the kind of stuff we were talking about yeah
• 57:37
  definitely um i love wally the robot i feel like
• 57:44
  how the creators of that movie were able to give
• 57:48
  him such a personality make him so likable so
• 57:50
  quickly without dialogue is phenomenal it's artistry
• 57:54
  like it's like you immediately fall in love with
• 57:56
  this little robot you're like oh my gosh i'm
• 57:57
  emotionally attached to this kid he hasn't said
• 57:59
  anything like this is amazing yeah so and then
• 58:02
  The way he treats Eve too. Right. And then just
• 58:08
  how he goes about and wakes up all the humans
• 58:13
  kind of from their screens just by fumbling around.
• 58:16
  Right. Like he wasn't trying to do a big movement.
• 58:20
  He wasn't trying to cause a commotion, but just
• 58:23
  by being himself, he just caused all these people
• 58:26
  to kind of come back to earth. Yeah. Right. And
• 58:28
  I just, I love that. Yeah. Such a great story.
• 58:31
  It's a great story. It's so well told. It was
• 58:34
  such a risk. Yeah. Right. You're going to have
• 58:36
  a movie where there's basically no dialogue for
• 58:38
  the first half an hour of an animated movie.
• 58:41
  Yep. Like that's risky. And I think they pulled
• 58:44
  it off and it's terrific. I love that. Always
• 58:48
  amazing. Okay. Favorite Disney song. Love. Love.
• 58:52
  Yeah. You know, what's funny is I was, I was
• 58:54
  trying to download the soundtrack. Earlier today,
• 58:59
  I have Apple Music, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:02
  And the soundtrack, only like two songs are available
• 59:04
  to do. Like the rest of them are blacked out.
• 59:06
  I'm like, what? Come on, Apple. For reals. And
• 59:09
  Love's not one of the ones that I could. I was
• 59:11
  like, that is such a ripoff. I was not really
• 59:13
  happy. You have to go to YouTube for that one.
• 59:14
  Okay, so that's why. I was like, because normally
• 59:16
  Apple Music has everything I want. Correct. Normally.
• 59:19
  Yeah, yeah. So it was very surprising when they
• 59:21
  didn't. I was very disappointed. Okay, I'm going
• 59:22
  to go to YouTube. Favorite Disney princess? Belle.
• 59:30
  Okay. Tell me why. That's a really good question.
• 59:39
  I don't know. I felt she just, I don't know.
• 59:42
  She was just cool. She was different. She was
• 59:45
  nerdy. Yeah. I guess. There you go. That's what
• 59:49
  it is. Yeah. She was in her book. She wasn't
• 59:51
  into Gaston. Yeah. Like all the other women.
• 59:53
  And I'm no Gaston, you know. You're like, I like
• 59:57
  the girl who's going to respect me for my brain.
• 59:59
  Yeah, for reals, right? The one who's also nerdy.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah, no. I'm going to say Belle. bell was great
• 1:00:04
  i loved bell yeah um i thought she was uh sharp
• 1:00:09
  and quirky and endearing yeah um yeah i always
• 1:00:13
  i always loved bell um favorite ride at any disney
• 1:00:16
  park right now it's the ratatouille right it's
• 1:00:22
  so good though like yeah i get emotional writing
• 1:00:26
  that right right now it's so good how come i
• 1:00:28
  love it i don't know just like the music being
• 1:00:30
  like on top of the the roofs and in france you
• 1:00:34
  know when you're walking to the queue and the
• 1:00:35
  music's playing ratatouille and just yeah i love
• 1:00:39
  the story and everything there's just something
• 1:00:41
  about it it's so great yeah so the last time
• 1:00:43
  we were at disney world uh it was just it was
• 1:00:46
  my wife and my two girls and it was we were at
• 1:00:50
  epcot obviously and it was pouring rain yeah
• 1:00:52
  like so hard we were absolutely drenched and
• 1:00:56
  so a lot of people had left the park because
• 1:00:59
  it was raining so hard And we were over in France.
• 1:01:02
  Yeah. And there was hardly anybody in line. And
• 1:01:06
  so we would get done. They're like, go right
• 1:01:09
  back in. We're like, sweet. We're like three
• 1:01:11
  or four times in a row. I'm like, this is amazing.
• 1:01:13
  I love it. And it's chill. It's nice. You can
• 1:01:16
  just hang out and just enjoy a good story. I
• 1:01:18
  don't know. That's where I'm at right now. But
• 1:01:20
  I do, I will say honorable mention to Tower of
• 1:01:23
  Terror. Okay. There's nothing quite like that
• 1:01:25
  one. So I, before. at Disneyland and California
• 1:01:30
  Adventure, Tower of Terror was my ride. Like
• 1:01:32
  100 % was my ride. I loved everything about it.
• 1:01:34
  I loved what they did with the original guy from
• 1:01:37
  it, how they were able to adapt his voice to
• 1:01:39
  have him say the stuff, like the music from it.
• 1:01:42
  It was my jam. And I was so nervous when they
• 1:01:45
  were changing it to Guardians. I was like, how
• 1:01:47
  could they do this to my beloved Tower of Terror?
• 1:01:49
  Agreed. I was with you. And now I love Guardians.
• 1:01:51
  Oh, they pulled it off. But I'm glad that Tower
• 1:01:54
  of Terror is still available. Yeah, hopefully
• 1:01:55
  they don't change it out in Hollywood Studios.
• 1:01:57
  Hopefully not. The whole vibe is amazing. They
• 1:01:59
  need to keep both because now both are amazing
• 1:02:01
  and you have different experiences in parks.
• 1:02:03
  Tower of Terror is so good, though. It's amazing.
• 1:02:05
  Man, I love it. Okay, favorite Lorkana card.
• 1:02:09
  Oh, it's a Robin Hood card. Is it? It's called
• 1:02:12
  Sneaky Sleuth. Okay, and what does Sneaky Sleuth
• 1:02:14
  do? He gains extra lore. So in the game, you're
• 1:02:19
  trying to get 20 lore before your opponent. He
• 1:02:22
  gets extra lore for every damaged. opposing character
• 1:02:25
  which is really fun but the artwork of that card
• 1:02:27
  is my favorite artwork of any work on a card
• 1:02:30
  it's him sneaking on the roofs and you have like
• 1:02:32
  the moon in the background it's just it's so
• 1:02:35
  well done do you do you play with it do you use
• 1:02:39
  it or do you keep it separate because i don't
• 1:02:41
  i have i have a ton it's it's it's a pretty common
• 1:02:43
  card okay right so i have like a ton of copies
• 1:02:45
  of it okay when i true i will play with it as
• 1:02:49
  soon as i get an opportunity to play with it
• 1:02:51
  you know i just love that card that's totally
• 1:02:53
  fair yeah Um, okay. Favorite video game console
• 1:02:56
  of all time. Oh, just cause of memories. The
• 1:03:00
  64. The Nintendo 64. That controller and everything.
• 1:03:03
  Like all the games that came out, man. The age
• 1:03:06
  I was when it came out. I say the 64 is my. Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  You were born in 85? Yes. Okay. For me, it was
• 1:03:14
  a Super Nintendo. Okay. I love the original Nintendo.
• 1:03:16
  Then Super Nintendo came out and I played like
• 1:03:19
  Street Fighter 2, which was funny because there's
• 1:03:22
  no Street Fighter 1. Street Fighter 2. But man,
• 1:03:25
  there was something about that. And then when
• 1:03:28
  64 came out, I hadn't been playing as much. So
• 1:03:31
  I didn't get quite the connection with 64. And
• 1:03:34
  then once I started playing video games again,
• 1:03:36
  it was once I was in my 20s and it was Xbox.
• 1:03:38
  And I started playing a lot. And then now I play
• 1:03:40
  Call of Duty. In fact, I'm playing Call of Duty
• 1:03:42
  tonight with my buddies. We're getting together
• 1:03:44
  in person until they're going to... Oh, that's
• 1:03:46
  cool. Like an actual couch co -op. Yes. I love
• 1:03:50
  that. Like we've got... I'm such a nerd that
• 1:03:52
  I've got... four TVs on my wall, like, and we
• 1:03:56
  all hook in our systems to our own TV and then
• 1:03:59
  sit there and play. Cause we were such nerds,
• 1:04:01
  but it's such a good time. Cause we're like together,
• 1:04:03
  right? Like we're together. It's a great time.
• 1:04:05
  I freaking love it. I never got an Xbox right.
• 1:04:07
  And so it was always Nintendo for me. It's always
• 1:04:08
  a Nintendo guy. Um, my wife was big into Nintendo
• 1:04:12
  and, uh, a few years back, she got one of those
• 1:04:16
  ones that comes pre -programmed with all the
• 1:04:17
  Nintendo games basically. And it was so fun because
• 1:04:20
  then We have, like, the hooked -in controllers
• 1:04:23
  with the original ones, and my little girls are
• 1:04:24
  sitting there playing, like, Mario with us and
• 1:04:27
  playing all these games. It was so fun. Yeah,
• 1:04:30
  I love those. Like, such memory lane for us.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah. And they loved it. Yeah. They're still
• 1:04:34
  fun games. We have one at the store. Do you really?
• 1:04:37
  We have, like, a little lounge section with the
• 1:04:38
  TV, and we have a Super Nintendo preloaded with,
• 1:04:40
  like, a bunch of games. That's amazing. The kids
• 1:04:43
  love it. Yeah, I'm sure they do. Yeah, it sounds
• 1:04:45
  awesome. I need to bring my kids to your store
• 1:04:46
  now. Okay. Robin Hood character you most relate
• 1:04:51
  to? Just like we were kind of talking about this
• 1:04:59
  a little bit earlier. I'm not much of a, like
• 1:05:02
  in front of the camera kind of a guy. I'm like
• 1:05:05
  behind the scenes. So I have to say Friar Tuck.
• 1:05:06
  I was going to guess that. In my head, I'm like,
• 1:05:09
  he's got to be Friar Tuck. Yeah. Friar Tuck is
• 1:05:12
  great. Yeah. Friar Tuck is awesome. For me, it's
• 1:05:16
  probably Little John. Okay. Like, I just, I like
• 1:05:20
  that he's just. fun and he's also there to like
• 1:05:23
  he is there to help and he will do anything uh
• 1:05:26
  but he doesn't have to be the leading man correct
• 1:05:28
  but he's just like there's just something about
• 1:05:31
  little john that i just love i just think he's
• 1:05:33
  funny and fun he's a good time um okay what is
• 1:05:37
  the question or questions that i should have
• 1:05:41
  asked you that i didn't either about robin hood
• 1:05:44
  or about huawei or anything that you had had
• 1:05:47
  on your mind that you wanted to talk about that
• 1:05:49
  we didn't get to if there's anything Oh, you
• 1:05:54
  asked so many more questions than I thought you
• 1:05:55
  were going to ask. Okay. So we might be good.
• 1:05:57
  We might be good. Okay. I love it. Yeah. I love
• 1:06:00
  it. Well, what we like to do is we'd like to
• 1:06:02
  end every episode and give our, our audience
• 1:06:05
  three actionable takeaways. So three things that
• 1:06:09
  they can put into action in their life today
• 1:06:12
  or this week, they can immediately do and, and
• 1:06:15
  relating to the topic. So here ways that they
• 1:06:17
  can help to create a better sense of belonging
• 1:06:21
  in their lives, be better peacemakers and bring
• 1:06:25
  more of that. So what would your three actionable
• 1:06:27
  takeaways be? Yeah, if I actually. You wrote
• 1:06:30
  them down. Let's go. Let's go. Tying to Robin
• 1:06:37
  Hood and WALL -E that we didn't actually discuss
• 1:06:40
  too much, but I think there's like a lot in WALL
• 1:06:42
  -E that, you know, we can draw upon. But yeah,
• 1:06:47
  as far as like. finding common ground something
• 1:06:50
  to feel like i had to do a lot growing up moving
• 1:06:54
  around stuff like that you know what i mean and
• 1:06:56
  now nowadays in today's world with technology
• 1:06:59
  i feel like that's more important than ever just
• 1:07:01
  trying to find the commonality and stuff right
• 1:07:04
  so um number one and this is this is a big one
• 1:07:07
  i know especially like in the business space
• 1:07:08
  like people use this word a lot but i would say
• 1:07:10
  be curious right get curious before you get convincing
• 1:07:15
  Before you're trying to push your views to somebody,
• 1:07:18
  get curious into why their views are their views.
• 1:07:20
  I like the way you said that. Why they play the
• 1:07:22
  games they play or do the things that they do.
• 1:07:24
  Before you're trying to push your stuff onto
• 1:07:26
  them, be curious. Get curious and find out more
• 1:07:29
  about them. That's number one. Get curious before
• 1:07:31
  you get convincing. I've never heard it said
• 1:07:34
  that way, and I really like that. Okay, that's
• 1:07:36
  excellent. What's the next one? Tying to Wally.
• 1:07:40
  Sorry, on the curiosity thing. This is one of
• 1:07:42
  the things that I love about Wally. is when he's
• 1:07:44
  digging up through the trash it's just trash
• 1:07:46
  i just love how he like interacts with all the
• 1:07:48
  trash and he like takes it home like there's
• 1:07:50
  a cool piece of trash he takes it home oh yeah
• 1:07:52
  and just his curiosity that he brings to everything
• 1:07:54
  like that's i i love that it's enviable when
• 1:07:58
  he sees eve totally different robot he's not
• 1:08:00
  scared of it right he's curious he's like i need
• 1:08:02
  to find out more about this Robot thing. Anyway.
• 1:08:05
  Yeah. Cause like when he's, when he's finding
• 1:08:06
  stuff too, what you made me think of is like,
• 1:08:08
  he finds the bra. Yeah. Cause he doesn't know.
• 1:08:12
  Yeah. He's just curious about it. He's just curious
• 1:08:14
  about it. Exactly. It's a great example of the
• 1:08:16
  curiosity. Yeah. I love that. So, so number one,
• 1:08:19
  get curious. Number two, um, make it human. Right.
• 1:08:23
  Don't categorize. Um, I feel like that's, that's
• 1:08:26
  something that when you're playing games, when
• 1:08:28
  you're sitting across the table from somebody
• 1:08:29
  you brought up earlier through your opponent,
• 1:08:31
  sure. But they're also human. Right. And then
• 1:08:33
  you can make a connection there. Love it. I think
• 1:08:36
  that just remember that whoever you're interacting
• 1:08:40
  with, whoever you're trying to find common ground
• 1:08:41
  with is just like you. They're human, right?
• 1:08:44
  So find the humanity in it. And don't categorize.
• 1:08:47
  Don't lump people into something. Because then
• 1:08:48
  you remove their humanity and you either don't
• 1:08:52
  treat them the same or don't view them the same.
• 1:08:54
  You know what I mean? So number two, make it
• 1:08:57
  human. And number three, this one's probably
• 1:08:58
  my favorite. And you kind of touched on it a
• 1:09:01
  little bit with Little John. uh be humorous lighten
• 1:09:05
  up yeah right yeah being able to not take yourself
• 1:09:08
  too seriously yeah i think it's really important
• 1:09:11
  for sure and trying to find common ground with
• 1:09:13
  people and trying to help people and yeah i think
• 1:09:16
  robin hood and little john did such a fantastic
• 1:09:18
  job at that They're being chased by the guards.
• 1:09:21
  They're having arrows thrown at them. He finds
• 1:09:23
  the arrow in his hat at the very beginning. He
• 1:09:25
  kind of laughs about it. He's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:09:26
  that got close, you know, and they kind of laugh.
• 1:09:28
  You know, you're like, okay, you almost died.
• 1:09:30
  But yeah, sure, let's laugh about it. And I think
• 1:09:32
  they're just such a great example of, you know,
• 1:09:36
  just being humorous. Yeah. Yeah, and then a related
• 1:09:41
  thing with that is when he has, Robin Hood has
• 1:09:44
  to jump into the water. And they're shooting
• 1:09:46
  the arrows, right? And he lets his hat float
• 1:09:48
  up and it looks like he is. And then he's really
• 1:09:50
  got the read, right? That he's doing. And then
• 1:09:54
  when he goes over to where it's at and little
• 1:09:55
  John's there and then he squirts him in the face
• 1:09:57
  with the water and little John's like, oh man,
• 1:09:59
  you totally got me. Yes. Right? Like just like
• 1:10:02
  the levity. Like in a very serious situation
• 1:10:04
  and they still find a way to kind of be humorous
• 1:10:07
  and just kind of have fun. Yeah. I think that's
• 1:10:09
  fantastic. Well, those are terrific takeaways.
• 1:10:11
  Thank you for sharing those. Thank you for sharing.
• 1:10:14
  so generously of your time uh your experiences
• 1:10:17
  of your childhood uh of the things that have
• 1:10:20
  have motivated you to create this amazing space
• 1:10:23
  that you guys have over there at hearthside games
• 1:10:25
  and what that does for the community what that
• 1:10:27
  does for a sense of belonging for the people
• 1:10:28
  who who go and connect and and have a great place
• 1:10:32
  that brings a little bit more i would say like
• 1:10:34
  light and joy into this life which i think is
• 1:10:36
  super special and amazing absolutely thanks brother
• 1:10:38
  yeah thank you so much for having me yeah as
• 1:10:42
  you leave this conversation remember that yes
• 1:10:44
  the past can hurt and you can either run from
• 1:10:47
  it or you can learn from it so here's to learning
• 1:10:50
  and finding joy in the journey see you real soon