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Joni Table Talk Podcast (Video) - Memoirs of the Mighty Men | Cody Bobay · Shine FM

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  ♪♪
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  JONI LAMB: HELLO, AND WELCOME TO JONI TABLE TALK,
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  THE SHOW WHERE WE BRING YOU REAL CONVERSATIONS THAT MATTER.
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  I'M YOUR HOST, JONI LAMB.
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  JOIN US AS WE EXPLORE UNFORGETTABLE TESTIMONIES,
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  TACKLE HARD-HITTING TOPICS, AND UNCOVER THE TRUTH
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  THAT TRANSFORMS LIVES WITH AUTHENTICITY,
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  BIBLICAL WISDOM, AND A HEART FOR TRANSFORMATION.
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  SO PULL UP A CHAIR, JOIN US AROUND THE TABLE,
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  AND LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN.
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  ♪♪
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  APRIL SIMONS: WHAT DEFINES A MAN?
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  IS IT HIS BRAVERY, HIS MISTAKES?
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  WELL, THE BIBLE IS FILLED WITH FLAWED, COURAGEOUS MEN,
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  AND TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WISDOM
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  THAT OUR HUSBANDS, SONS, AND FATHERS CAN GAIN
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  FROM STEPPING INTO THEIR SHOES.
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  WELCOME TO FRIENDS FROM THE TABLE.
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  I'M YOUR HOST, APRIL OSTEEN SIMONS,
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  AND I'M HERE WITH MY GOOD FRIEND AND CO-HOST,
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  CINDY JOHNSTON.
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  WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE ACTOR AND AUTHOR
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  CODY BOBAY WITH US TODAY.
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  WELCOME TO FRIENDS FROM THE TABLE.
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  CODY BOBAY: YEAH, EXCITED TO BE HERE.
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  APRIL: SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
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  AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
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  WE LOVE YOUR BOOK.
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  CODY: THANK YOU.
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  APRIL: WE ARE NOT MEN, RIGHT?
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  CINDY JOHNSTON: CORRECT.
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  APRIL: BUT WE LOVE IT.
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  YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO READ THE NOTES AND THIS IS JUST,
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  IT'S AMAZING THE WAY YOU DRAW THE READER IN.
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  AND I WANT YOU TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT
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  OF BACKGROUND ON IT.
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  YOU WRITE IN FIRST PERSON.
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  TELL US THE REASON FOR THAT AND JUST A LITTLE BIT
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  ABOUT THE BOOK.
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  CODY: YEAH.
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  SO THAT'S -- THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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  IT'S ACTUALLY MY NINTH BOOK,
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  SO I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF BOOKS TO MEN.
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  AND I STARTED TO SEE A DISCONNECT OF DISCIPLESHIP
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  OF MEN SAYING, LIKE, I WOULD GO TO MEN'S CONFERENCES
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  AND I'D SPEAK OF LIKE, OKAY,
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  WHO WANTS TO STORM THE GATES OF HELL WITH ME?
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  AND GUYS ARE LIKE, YEAH, YOU KNOW,
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  LIKE, THE ENERGY IS SO COOL.
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  AND I'D THROW THEM MY BIBLE AND I SAID,
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  FIND EZEKIEL 12.
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  AND I'D START TO SEE THEM GOING AND LOOKING THROUGH
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  THE FRONT OF THE BIBLE.
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  AND I'M LIKE, OH, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
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  LIKE, WE HAVE GUYS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE
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  THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT.
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  WE HAVE GUYS THAT AREN'T IN THE WORD.
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  SO THEN I STARTED TO ASK GUYS, LIKE, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME
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  YOU SPENT MORE THAN 30 MINUTES STRAIGHT
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  READING GOD'S WORD?
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  AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME
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  YOU SPENT MORE THAN 15 MINUTES STRAIGHT OF YOU
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  ACTUALLY READING GOD'S WORD?
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  AND I STARTED TO SEE A BIG DISCONNECT BECAUSE
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  WE'RE SEEING GLOBALLY, THE WAR FOR SEXUAL PURITY
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  IS BEING LOST A LOT BY MEN AND WOMEN,
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  BUT GOD HAS CALLED ME TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE MEN.
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  AND DAVID GIVES US A CLEAR PICTURE IN THE PSALMS
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  OF HOW DOES A MAN KEEP HIS WAY PURE?
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  BY HIDING YOUR WORD IN HIS HEART.
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  CINDY: YES.
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  CODY: SO I WAS LIKE, OH, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
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  AND THE LORD ALLOWED ME TO SEE THAT IT'S COMPLACENCY
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  THAT IS KILLING OUR PASSION TO BE ABLE
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  TO WALK IN PURITY.
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  APRIL: RIGHT.
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  CODY: BECAUSE THE MOMENT WE BECOME COMPLACENT
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  WITH GOD'S WORD AND BE LIKE, OH YEAH,
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  YEAH, YEAH, I'VE HEARD OF URIAH.
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  I KNOW HIS STORY.
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  YEAH, IT'S GOOD.
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  YOU SHOW UP TO CHURCH AND THEY'RE DOING WORSHIP.
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  IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO RAISE MY HANDS TODAY
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  BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT.
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  AND YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF YOU HAVE
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  HABITS OF COMPLACENCY.
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  THAT'S WHERE THAT BOOK CAME FROM TO SAY,
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  OH, LORD, LET ME BE A TOOL TO INSPIRE MEN
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  TO CURIOSITY OF YOUR GOODNESS LIKE LITTLE KIDS AGAIN.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
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  I LOVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST SUNDAY CHURCH,
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  IT'S LIVING IT OUT DAY TO DAY.
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  CODY: YES.
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  APRIL: I LOVE THAT.
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  CINDY: AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE BOOK
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  BRINGS OUT EMOTION.
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  AND THE WAY THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN THIS BOOK
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  MADE ME, EVEN AS A WOMAN,
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  WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT WE WANT TO READ IT
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  BECAUSE IT IS SO INSPIRING.
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  BUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHARACTERS THAT YOU
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  ENJOYED WRITING ABOUT, MAYBE SOME OF YOUR FAVORITES?
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  CODY: I WOULD SAY, OH, WELL, THE FIRST ONE I WROTE
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  WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, AND IT WAS NOAH.
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  AND I REALLY PUT MYSELF IN THIS SITUATION OF
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  HOW MEANINGFUL IS THAT RAINBOW TO HIS FAMILY?
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  CINDY: YEAH.
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  CODY: WHAT WAS IT LIKE HEARING THUNDER?
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  AS A MAN THAT, LIKE, I'M A PATRIOT, I'M A VETERAN.
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  IF THERE IS A FIGHT TO BE HAD, I WANT TO BE IN IT
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  IF IT'S RIGHTEOUS.
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  WHEN I HEAR THAT THUNDER THE FIRST TIME,
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  IS THAT THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF,
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  YES, GOD SHOWED UP, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
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  AND I PUT IN MY BOOK THAT EVERY PLANK WAS A SERMON
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  NOBODY WANTED TO HEAR.
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  AND BECAUSE IT FINALLY, 120 YEARS OF WORKING
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  AND BEING CRITICIZED THAT GOD'S JUDGMENT'S GOING TO COME,
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  OR WAS IT FEAR?
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  WERE HIS KIDS TERRIFIED?
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  NO, THEY HADN'T HEARD THUNDER BEFORE,
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  LIKE IT HADN'T EVER RAINED.
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  SO I PUT MYSELF THERE BECAUSE AS AN ACTOR,
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  IF YOU TAKE A SCRIPT AND JUST READ THE SCRIPT
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  AND YOU DON'T PUT EMOTION TO IT,
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  BUT YOU MEMORIZE IT AND YOU JUST GET
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  IN FRONT OF A CAMERA AND YOU SAY THE LINES,
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  THAT'S REALLY POOR FILMMAKING AND ACTING.
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  YOU HAVE TO TAKE A SCRIPT AND SAY, HOW CAN I
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  CONNECT TO THIS EMOTIONALLY?
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  AND IT'S SO GREAT IN SOME SCRIPTS BECAUSE IT'S
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  JUST PAGES, RIGHT?
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  LIKE 100 PAGES MAKE A MOVIE, 105 PAGES,
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  BUT THERE'S MOMENTS IN THERE WHERE YOU'RE TERRIFIED,
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  WHERE YOU'RE CRYING, WHERE YOU'RE LIKE,
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  OH, THIS PERSON JUST LOST THEIR KID.
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  WHAT WOULD I DO IF I LOST MY KID?
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  AND YOU SEE THESE ACTORS GET ACADEMY AWARDS
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  FOR EXPERIENCING EMOTION THAT IS PRETEND.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
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  CODY: THEY DIDN'T LOSE A KID, REALLY.
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  NOBODY IS KILLING PEOPLE ON FILM SETS SO THEY
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  CAN HAVE A GENUINE EMOTION.
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  BUT I STARTED TO REALIZE THAT OUR COMPLACENCY
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  WITH GOD'S WORD WAS DISCONNECTING US FROM EMOTION.
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  AND I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE ASK ME, LIKE,
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  WHAT'S THE BIGGEST TRIGGER FOR MEN?
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  BECAUSE THE BIGGEST BATTLE WE'RE LOSING
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  IS WITH SEXUAL PURITY.
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  AND I SAY THAT WE'VE STARTED TO SYSTEMATIZE MEN
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  AS THEY'RE NOT EMOTIONAL.
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  BUT WOMEN ARE EMOTIONAL, BUT MEN AREN'T EMOTIONAL.
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  AND I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY FALSE BECAUSE GOD CREATED US
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  WITH EMOTIONS.
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  APRIL: RIGHT.
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  CODY: SO, YES, THE MOMENT YOU CAN EXPERIENCE
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  GOD'S WORD EMOTIONALLY, AND SOME OF THESE CHARACTERS,
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  LIKE JUST IMAGINE SITTING THERE AND BEING NOAH.
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  ALSO SITTING THERE BEING URIAH, WITH A LETTER GIVEN TO JOAB
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  ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
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  AND YOU'RE WALKING THERE BEING LIKE,
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  THAT WAS REALLY WEIRD.
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  CINDY: YEAH.
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  CODY: LIKE THAT WAS, LIKE, I'M SURE HE HAD SO MANY
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  THOUGHTS OF LIKE, I JUST SLEPT ON DAVID'S FLOOR
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  IN HIS PALACE.
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  APRIL: RIGHT.
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  CODY: IT SURE SEEMED LIKE HE HAD DIFFERENT MOTIVES.
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  BUT WHAT WE KNOW OF GOD'S WORD IS HE NEVER
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  OPENED THAT LETTER, BUT HE STILL HAD ENOUGH HONOR
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  AND INTEGRITY TO SAY, I'M GOING TO SERVE THE KING
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  BECAUSE I BELIEVE GOD HAS PLACED HIM
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  IN THAT PLACE, THE POSITION.
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  AND I'M GOING TO HAND THE LETTER TO THE MAN
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  THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ME KILLED.
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  AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE CAN GET MEN TO UNDERSTAND
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  THE REVERENCE, THE HOLINESS, AND JUST LIVE OUT
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  A REVERENT LIFE FOR GOD, BUT IT HAS TO START
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  WITH KILLING THAT COMPLACENCY.
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  APRIL: YEAH, THAT'S SO GOOD.
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  I LOVE THE WAY THAT YOU MAKE THE PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE REAL,
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  BECAUSE SO OFTEN WE THINK THEY'RE CHARACTERS,
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  THEY'RE NOT REAL LIFE.
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  SO YOU JUST BRING THE HUMANITY IN THIS BOOK,
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  WHICH IS SO GREAT.
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  AND YOU START OFF WITH ADAM.
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  WHAT WAS THE REASON,
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  WHAT WAS THE FOUNDATIONAL REASON FOR
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  STARTING OUT WITH HIM?
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  CODY: WELL, EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER WITH THE BIBLE,
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  SO IT CAN GO ALONG WITH YOUR BIBLE STUDY.
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  SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW CHRONOLOGICALLY THERE'S
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  A CHRONOLOGICAL BIBLE AND THEN THERE'S THE BIBLE
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  THAT WE HAVE THAT STARTS WITH GENESIS,
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  THE PENTATEUCH.
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  AND SO I FOLLOWED THAT ORDER AND I PUT ADAM FIRST,
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  BUT IT'S MY FAVORITE OF ALL OF THEM
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  BECAUSE IT STARTS OFF WITH HIM SAYING,
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  I KNEW WHAT I DID WAS WRONG.
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  CINDY: YEAH.
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  APRIL: SO GOOD.
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  CINDY: HE ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG.
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  CODY: HE ADMITTED IT.
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  AND YOU WALK THROUGH THAT WITH HIM TO SEE GOD'S GOODNESS,
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  EVEN THOUGH HE MADE A MISTAKE
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  AND HE SAYS, AND I HAVE HIM SAY IN THERE,
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  YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND THE MISTAKE
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  THAT I MADE, BECAUSE ALL OF THE STUFF YOU'RE
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  GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF MY MISTAKE.
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  JESUS DYING ON THE CROSS WAS HIS MISTAKE.
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  AND GOD'S LIKE, I'M GOING TO KILL AN ANIMAL.
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  THE FIRST KILL THAT WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE
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  IS TO CLOTHE FROM HIS GRACE
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  THE SIN THAT WAS GOING TO COST HIM
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  HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON'S LIFE.
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  SO I THINK WHEN YOU CAN START WITH THAT
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  IN ANY DEVOTIONAL TO MEN OF LIKE,
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  HEY, NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE,
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  GOD'S GRACE CAN CLOTHE YOU, COVER YOU,
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  AND EMPOWER YOU TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOD-GIVEN DESTINY,
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  NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH.
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  APRIL: I MEAN, THAT'S HUGE.
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  CINDY: YES, HUGE.
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  AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT
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  THAT GOD CAME BACK TO HIM, TO ADAM?
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  CODY: YEAH.
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  WELL, I THINK IT JUST GIVES US ALL SO MUCH HOPE.
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  AND, APRIL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE POWER OF HOPE
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  IN OUR LIVES.
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  AND I'VE MINISTERED IN PRISONS.
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  IF YOU CAN TAKE THE CURRENCY OF HOPE
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  AND GIVE IT TO HUMANITY, THEY CAN DO SO MUCH MORE
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  THAN THEY EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE.
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  AND SOME PEOPLE JUST NEED TO KNOW,
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  OH, THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR ME.
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  APRIL: RIGHT.
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  CODY: IT'S LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON YOUR FIFTH DIVORCE
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  AND YOU'VE BEEN ADDICTED TO DRUGS
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  YOUR WHOLE LIFE AND YOU CAN'T SEEM
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  TO BREAK THE ADDICTION.
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  THERE'S STILL HOPE FOR YOU.
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  CINDY: AMEN.
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  CODY: AND THAT HOPE HAS A NAME, AND HIS NAME IS JESUS.
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  AND HE CAN BREAK EVERY SINGLE CHAIN.
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  AND HE DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO BE PERFECT.
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  AND THAT'S WHERE I LOVE WITH ADAM
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  BECAUSE, YOU SEE ADAM DOESN'T SPRINT TO DAD,
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  SIT AT HIS FEET AND START CRYING AND ADMIT IT.
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  CINDY: YEAH.
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  CODY: HE DOES WHAT MOST OF US DO, IF WE'RE HONEST,
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  OF LIKE, OOH, CRUD.
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  I'M GOING TO GO HIDE IN THE CORNER
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  AND HOPE THAT DAD DIDN'T SEE IT.
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  APRIL: YEAH, EXACTLY.
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  CODY: AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I REALIZE I'M NAKED
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  AND LIKE, I'M SEEING STUFF I KNOW THAT I SHOULDN'T BE SEEING.
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  BUT IT'S SUCH A COOL PLACE TO START FROM THERE,
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  JUST WITH THE DISCIPLESHIP OF THE MASCULINE SOUL
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  TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO START RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE
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  AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID WAS WRONG.
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  OKAY, COOL.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
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  CODY: NOW WHAT YOU DID, GOD'S GRACE IS THERE TO COVER
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  AND EMPOWER YOU TO GO FORWARD.
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  AND I LOVE ROMANS 8:28.
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  IT'S SUCH A GREAT VERSE, BUT IT'S THAT
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  HE WILL USE ALL THINGS.
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  HE'LL MAKE ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR GOOD.
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  AND I, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT,
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  IT CHANGES THEIR LIFE.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
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  CODY: GOD'S NOT JUST GOING TO USE THOSE REALLY
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  GREAT THINGS ON YOUR RESUME.
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  HE'S GOING TO USE ALL THINGS.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
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  CODY: AND WHEN YOU GET VULNERABLE WITH THAT,
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  THEN YOU START TO REALIZE, OH, MY LIFE IS ABOUT GOD,
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  AND ME TELLING THE STORY OF WHAT GOD HAS DONE
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  THROUGH MY BROKENNESS, THROUGH MY VICTORIES, SUCCESSES.
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  IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM.
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  APRIL: NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE, GOD IS GOING TO GIVE YOU
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  ACCESS TO HIMSELF.
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  YOU HAVEN'T RUN TOO FAR.
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  YOU HAVEN'T DONE TOO MANY BAD THINGS.
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  CODY: YES.
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  AND THAT IS, YOU SEE IT WITH HEZEKIAH.
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  THE MOST FAMOUS, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
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  LIKE FAMOUS PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER WALKED THIS EARTH,
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  ISAIAH'S ONE OF THEM.
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  AND HE COMES UP TO HEZEKIAH AND HE'S LIKE,
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  HEY, MAN, THIS IS WHAT GOD SAYS,
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  YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
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  APRIL: GOOD WORD.
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  CODY: LIKE, OH, THAT REALLY SUCKS.
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  WHAT DID HEZEKIAH DO?
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  ISAIAH STARTS TO LEAVE.
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  HEZEKIAH KNOWS GOD.
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  HE TURNS TO THE WALL AND SAYS --
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  APRIL: IT'S SO GOOD.
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  CODY: CAN YOU GIVE ME MORE TIME?
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  AND GOD'S LIKE, YEAH.
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  ISAIAH IS IN THE GARDEN, THE BIBLE SAYS,
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  FLIPS AROUND, WHICH IS REALLY COOL,
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  FLIPS AROUND, TELLS HIM LIKE,
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  HEY, YOU GOT THIS TIME.
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  AND YOU SEE THAT INCREDIBLE MOMENT.
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  AND THEN WHAT DOES HEZEKIAH DO?
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  HE MAKES A REALLY MASSIVE MISTAKE FROM THAT POINT FORWARD
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  THAT JUST GIVES US ALL A SENSE OF HOPE
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  OF YOU CAN SEE GOD DO SUCH A GREAT VICTORY
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  AND YOU'RE STILL HUMAN.
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  APRIL: RIGHT.
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  CODY: SO THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A DAY
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  YOU DON'T NEED THE CROSS.
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  LIKE, JESUS IS LIKE, HEY, YOU GOT TO PICK UP
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  YOUR CROSS DAILY, DENY YOUR SELFISH WAYS,
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  PICK UP YOUR CROSS DAILY, AND FOLLOW ME.
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  THERE'S NEVER A DAY OFF THAT YOU WANT
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  FROM CARRYING YOUR CROSS.
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  BECAUSE IT'S A REMINDER THAT YOU NEED HIS EMPOWERMENT,
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  HIS GRACE, EVERY SINGLE DAY OF YOUR LIFE.
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  APRIL: YES. AMEN.
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  I KNOW I DO.
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  CINDY: THE SAME HERE.
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  CODY: ME, TOO.
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  CINDY: WHAT ABOUT HOSEA?
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  WHAT STANDS OUT TO YOU ABOUT HIS STORY?
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  CODY: WHOA, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE.
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  APRIL: THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
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  CODY: I WEPT THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
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  I'M NOT LIKE A WEEPER TYPICALLY, BUT LIKE,
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  WHEN YOU REALLY PUT YOURSELF IN HOSEA'S SHOES
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  AND WHAT HE EXPERIENCED, I DON'T THINK YOU,
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  I DON'T THINK YOU CAN READ IT WITHOUT CRYING.
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  IF YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THAT SITUATION,
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  WOULD YOU BE OBEDIENT TO THAT POINT?
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  BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAY IN MY BOOK,
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  AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND, IS THAT
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  THERE'S NOT A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA TO WHEN YOU FOLLOW GOD,
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  THIS IS HOW YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO LOOK.
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  SOMETIMES YOU, YOU END UP IN A WHALE
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  FOR THREE DAYS, RIGHT.
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  AND PEOPLE JUDGE JONAH, RIGHT,
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  BUT IT'S LIKE A LOT OF US WOULD BE THERE,
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  LIKE, GO TO THIS PLACE.
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  THEY'RE THE MOST VILE PEOPLE YOU'VE EVER MET.
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  AND WITH YOUR PASTOR, WITH YOUR HUSBAND
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  BEING A PASTOR FOR 38 YEARS, SOMETIMES YOU'RE LIKE,
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  I MEAN, I'M SURE HE WOULDN'T DO THIS,
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  BUT LIKE, I'VE SERVED THE LORD --
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  CINDY: HE MIGHT.
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  [ LAUGHTER ]
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  CODY: BUT IT'S LIKE, GO TO THIS PLACE AND IT'S LIKE,
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  I HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
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  WHY DON'T I GO TO THIS PLACE?
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  WHY DON'T I SCHEDULE A VACATION AND JUST SEE
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  IF THIS IS GOD'S WILL, YOU KNOW, AND JUST
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  DELAY IT A LITTLE BIT.
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  BUT GOD'S PLAN IN YOUR LIFE COULD PUT YOU
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  IN THE BELLY OF A WHALE.
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  AND JESUS USES THAT AS AN ILLUSTRATION LATER IN YOUR LIFE.
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  AND YOU COULD BE FAITHFUL LIKE HOSEA AND SAY,
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  GOD, THIS IS HOW, LIKE, IF I DO THIS,
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  MY LIFE SHOULD LOOK THIS WAY.
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  AND HE'S LIKE, I NEED YOU TO GO GET GOMER.
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  OH, NO.
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  AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DAUGHTERS
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  AND YOU'RE GOING TO NAME THEM WHAT I'M GOING TO DO
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  BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SO DISOBEDIENT.
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  THAT'S HEAVY.
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  BUT I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME,
• 12:46
  I EXPERIENCED WHEN I WAS 18,
• 12:47
  GOD'S PRESENCE IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING
• 12:49
  THIS WORLD HAS TO OFFER.
• 12:50
  APRIL: RIGHT.
• 12:52
  CODY: SO IF YOU SAY YOU'RE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS,
• 12:54
  YOU CAN'T CLING ON TO A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA
• 12:56
  OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO LOOK.
• 12:57
  APRIL: RIGHT.
• 12:58
  CODY: YOU CAN'T SAY --
• 12:59
  CINDY: WE LIKE TO.
• 13:00
  WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY A PLUS B EQUALS C.
• 13:04
  APRIL: IT'S NOT RULES, IT'S NOT A LIST,
• 13:06
  IT'S RELATIONSHIP.
• 13:07
  CODY: IT'S RELATIONSHIP.
• 13:09
  AND, MAN, IT'S SUCH A REALLY BEAUTIFUL THING
• 13:11
  WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP TO SAY
• 13:12
  REAL RELATIONSHIP GOES INTO THE PIT
• 13:16
  AND WE'LL SIT THERE TOGETHER.
• 13:17
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 13:18
  CODY: AND REAL RELATIONSHIP WILL CELEBRATE
• 13:20
  ON THE MOUNTAINTOPS AND KNOW THE MOUNTAINTOP EXPERIENCE
• 13:23
  DOESN'T LAST.
• 13:24
  CINDY: RIGHT.
• 13:25
  CODY: BECAUSE LIFE IS GOING TO GO ON AND YOU'RE GOING TO
• 13:26
  HAVE TO MOW YOUR GRASS, OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
• 13:28
  TO DO THE LAUNDRY.
• 13:30
  AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISCIPLINE THE TEENAGERS,
• 13:32
  RIGHT, AND TAKE THEIR STUFF AWAY
• 13:34
  TO TEACH THEM.
• 13:35
  LIKE, LIFE IS FULL OF DIFFICULTY.
• 13:39
  AND JESUS TOLD US THAT.
• 13:40
  APRIL: FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW THE STORY OF GOMER
• 13:43
  AND WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE DID AND WHAT
• 13:45
  HOSEA WENT THROUGH, CAN YOU KIND OF SHARE THAT?
• 13:47
  CODY: YEAH. OKAY.
• 13:49
  SO, REALLY DIFFICULT.
• 13:50
  IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS I'VE EVER WRITTEN,
• 13:54
  BUT IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST BOOKS THAT WE CAN READ,
• 13:56
  IN MY OPINION.
• 14:00
  HOSEA IS A MAN AFTER GOD'S HEART,
• 14:01
  LIKE, LOVES GOD.
• 14:03
  AND GOD TELLS HIM, AND JUST IMAGINE
• 14:07
  YOU'RE A PASTOR, YOU'RE FAITHFUL,
• 14:08
  AND GOD'S LIKE, I NEED YOU TO GO IN
• 14:11
  AND MARRY A PROSTITUTE.
• 14:14
  SO YOU CAN READ THAT BECAUSE IT'S ONE LINE,
• 14:16
  BUT THEN YOU CAN EXPERIENCE IT.
• 14:18
  WHAT WOULD PEOPLE IN YOUR CHURCH THINK OF YOU?
• 14:20
  WHAT WOULD YOUR FRIENDS SAY OF YOU?
• 14:22
  HOW MANY FRIENDS ARE GOING TO STAB YOU IN THE BACK
• 14:24
  AND GOSSIP ABOUT YOU?
• 14:25
  I THINK THE MOMENT YOU SIT WITH STORIES, IT BECOMES
• 14:27
  SO REAL TO BE LIKE, OH, MY GOSH.
• 14:30
  SO, OKAY, YOU'RE TELLING ME, GOD,
• 14:32
  TO THEN SHE'S GOING TO BE THE MOM TO MY KIDS.
• 14:36
  SO THIS WOMAN THAT HAS HAD SEX WITH MULTIPLE MEN
• 14:39
  AND SOLD HERSELF TO THAT,
• 14:41
  THIS THING THAT I SEE IS HOLY TO YOU,
• 14:45
  I'M SUPPOSED TO DO WITH HER.
• 14:46
  AND THEN FROM THAT ARE GOING TO BE KIDS.
• 14:48
  AND THEN FROM THAT, SHE'S GOING TO GO BACK OFF
• 14:51
  AND LEAVE YOU AND HAVE AFFAIRS AND GET SO DEEP
• 14:54
  IN PROSTITUTION, YOU HARDLY RECOGNIZE HER.
• 14:58
  AND GOD'S GOING TO SAY, I WANT YOU TO NOW GO BUY HER BACK.
• 15:02
  APRIL: GO BUY HER BACK.
• 15:02
  YEAH.
• 15:04
  CODY: AND, LIKE, EXPERIENCE THAT OF, LIKE, THAT'S YOUR WIFE.
• 15:07
  AND I HAVE A WIFE, WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 20 YEARS THIS MONTH.
• 15:10
  AND IF SHE CHEATED ON ME AND THEN SOLD HERSELF
• 15:13
  INTO PROSTITUTION, AND I SAW HER FOR THE FIRST TIME
• 15:15
  IN A STREET AFTER BEING ABUSED SEXUALLY
• 15:18
  OVER AND OVER BY MEN AND STARVED,
• 15:21
  WHAT WOULD I FEEL?
• 15:22
  APRIL: RIGHT.
• 15:24
  CODY: AND SO MANY TIMES, BECAUSE HOSEA, RIGHT,
• 15:25
  IS A SHORT READ.
• 15:27
  BUT WHEN YOU SIT WITH THAT STORY ABOUT WHAT WOULD I FEEL?
• 15:31
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 15:32
  CODY: IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD.
• 15:34
  BUT HE DID IT ANYWAY.
• 15:37
  AND IT'S SO CHALLENGING TO OUR LIVES TO SAY,
• 15:40
  GOD WILL CALL YOU INTO TOUGH AREAS OF LIFE
• 15:45
  THAT DON'T LOOK GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
• 15:48
  BUT IF YOU REALLY FOLLOW HIM, YOU HAVE TO TRUST HIM
• 15:50
  IN THE PIT, JUST LIKE YOU DO IN THE PALACE.
• 15:53
  YOU HAVE TO WALK THROUGH EVERYTHING.
• 15:55
  AND I THINK IT'S WHERE, HONESTLY,
• 15:57
  THE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS HAVING A REALLY HARD TIME
• 15:59
  TODAY WITH THAT BECAUSE WE LIKE
• 16:00
  A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA WITH A LOT OF THIS OF LIKE,
• 16:03
  OKAY, GOD, I'M GOING TO DO THIS
• 16:03
  IF YOU DO THIS.
• 16:05
  HE'S LIKE, NO, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
• 16:06
  HE'S THE KING OF KINGS.
• 16:08
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 16:09
  AND DON'T YOU THINK HE PUT THAT STORY IN THE BIBLE
• 16:11
  NOT TO SHOCK AND AWE US, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW US
• 16:14
  ABOUT HIS LOVE FOR US.
• 16:16
  CODY: YES.
• 16:17
  APRIL: I MEAN --
• 16:17
  CODY: OH, IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
• 16:19
  APRIL: TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU DID IT
• 16:19
  SO WELL IN YOUR BOOK.
• 16:21
  CODY: SO, WHEN YOU PUT YOURSELF IN GOMER'S SHOES
• 16:23
  OF HOW MANY TIMES THAT HAS BEEN US,
• 16:27
  YOU GET OVERWHELMED WITH GOD'S GOODNESS AND HIS GRACE
• 16:30
  AND THINK, OH, THAT'S HOW PASSIONATELY
• 16:33
  HE'LL COME AFTER ME.
• 16:34
  APRIL: YES.
• 16:36
  CODY: AND YOU GET TO EXPERIENCE THE RICHNESS
• 16:37
  OF GOD'S LOVE.
• 16:38
  AND WHETHER THAT'S -- MISSIONARIES ARE SOME OF MY
• 16:40
  FAVORITE THAT GET MARTYRED AROUND THE WORLD,
• 16:44
  AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
• 16:45
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 16:47
  CODY: IT'S LIKE, OH, WHY DID SUCH A TERRIBLE THING
• 16:48
  HAPPEN TO SUCH GOOD PEOPLE?
• 16:50
  THE MOMENT YOU CONNECT WITH GOD'S WORD ON
• 16:51
  AN EXPERIENTIAL LEVEL, ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL,
• 16:54
  YOU START TO UNDERSTAND, OH, HE'S WRITING A STORY
• 16:57
  THAT TRANSCENDS TIME.
• 16:59
  AND IT'S ABOUT IMPACTING PEOPLE AND TELLING THEM
• 17:01
  LIKE, HEY, I WANT YOU TO SIT IN GOMER'S SHOES TODAY,
• 17:03
  JUST ONE DAY, SIT IN GOMER'S SHOES.
• 17:05
  YOU'VE COMPLETELY SCREWED UP OVER AND OVER AND OVER,
• 17:07
  AND NOW YOU'RE SITTING IN THE CORNER OF THE STREET.
• 17:09
  NOBODY WILL EVEN LOOK AT YOU.
• 17:10
  NOBODY WANTS TO BUY YOU AS A PROSTITUTE.
• 17:12
  YOU ARE SITTING THERE.
• 17:13
  YOU'RE STARVING TO DEATH.
• 17:16
  AND YOUR FAITHFUL HUSBAND COMES BACK AND BUYS YOU
• 17:19
  AND BRINGS YOU BACK.
• 17:21
  CINDY: WOW.
• 17:22
  APRIL: IF THAT'S NOT GOD'S LOVE.
• 17:23
  CODY: YEAH, IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
• 17:24
  SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE --
• 17:26
  APRIL: YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE
• 17:28
  PROBABLY WATCHING RIGHT NOW AND MAYBE YOU'RE EXPERIENCING
• 17:30
  EXACTLY WHAT CODY TALKED ABOUT.
• 17:32
  MAYBE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TOO FAR GONE.
• 17:34
  NOBODY LOVES YOU.
• 17:35
  NOBODY COULD LOVE YOU.
• 17:36
  CODY, I WISH YOU'D JUST TAKE A MINUTE
• 17:38
  AND LOOK INTO THAT CAMERA
• 17:38
  AND JUST MINISTER FOR A MINUTE
• 17:40
  TO SOMEONE THAT MIGHT FEEL THAT WAY.
• 17:41
  CODY: YEAH.
• 17:42
  I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT GOD'S GOODNESS
• 17:44
  IS GREATER THAN ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH.
• 17:46
  HIS LOVE IS MORE RADICAL THAN ANYTHING
• 17:48
  WE'LL EVER UNDERSTAND.
• 17:50
  AND RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SITTING, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT
• 17:52
  ALL THE REASONS WHY GOD CAN'T LOVE YOU.
• 17:54
  AND I WANT TO TELL YOU HE SEES AND KNOWS
• 17:57
  AND HAS EXPERIENCED THOSE WITH YOU,
• 17:59
  AND HE DOESN'T CALL YOU BY YOUR SIN.
• 18:01
  HE DOESN'T CLOTHE YOU WITH SHAME.
• 18:02
  HE'S INVITING YOU IN.
• 18:04
  AND I WANT YOU, RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE AT TO SAY,
• 18:06
  LORD, I SURRENDER.
• 18:09
  CINDY: YES.
• 18:10
  CODY: GOD, I REPENT FROM THE SIN THAT I'M WALKING IN.
• 18:13
  I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS
• 18:15
  TO BE ABLE TO FULLY EXPERIENCE GOD'S LOVE,
• 18:18
  YOU HAVE TO TURN AWAY FROM YOUR SIN.
• 18:20
  AND IF YOU'RE GOMER LAYING IN THE STREET, YOU HAVE TO
• 18:23
  TURN TO HOSEA AND ALLOW HIM TO PICK YOU UP
• 18:25
  AND TAKE YOU BACK HOME.
• 18:28
  IT'S LIKE PETER WHEN HE WAS WITH JESUS,
• 18:29
  LIKE, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WASH MY FEET.
• 18:31
  AND JESUS IS LIKE, I HAVE TO.
• 18:32
  AND PETER'S LIKE, OKAY, YOU CAN WASH MY WHOLE BODY.
• 18:36
  I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND TODAY,
• 18:37
  THAT'S WHO JESUS IS TO YOU,
• 18:39
  AND HE LOVES YOU MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER UNDERSTAND.
• 18:41
  AND PLEASE NEVER LET ANY SIN THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED
• 18:44
  CLOTHE YOU WITH SHAME THAT KEEPS YOU FROM CHRIST.
• 18:47
  HE WANTS TO PICK YOU UP AND TO EMPOWER YOU
• 18:50
  TO STILL ACCOMPLISH THE MAGNIFICENT DESTINY
• 18:53
  THAT HE SET OUT FOR YOU.
• 18:54
  APRIL: OH, THAT'S SO GOOD.
• 18:56
  YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU WRITING THIS BOOK
• 18:58
  BECAUSE WE, AS WOMEN, WE GET A LOT OF BOOKS,
• 19:00
  WE GET A LOT OF THINGS WRITTEN TO US,
• 19:01
  DEVOTIONS WRITTEN TO US.
• 19:03
  BUT THIS IS SO GOOD AND I JUST APPRECIATE
• 19:06
  YOUR HEART BEHIND IT.
• 19:07
  I LOVE THE WAY THAT YOU WRITE IT IN FIRST PERSON.
• 19:10
  TELL ME HOW YOU DEFINE A MIGHTY MAN.
• 19:12
  WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
• 19:13
  CODY: YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
• 19:17
  IN OUR WORLD TODAY, A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER IS,
• 19:19
  DO YOU FOLLOW GOD WITH YOUR WHOLE HEART?
• 19:21
  BECAUSE WE SEE IN THE BIBLE, THERE'S A LOT
• 19:23
  OF AMAZING MEN THAT I WROTE ABOUT THAT DIDN'T
• 19:25
  FOLLOW GOD WITH THEIR WHOLE HEART.
• 19:27
  THEY STILL -- JEHU. IT'S LIKE HE WAS AMAZING,
• 19:30
  BUT HE DIDN'T DO THE THING
• 19:32
  THAT HE KNEW THAT HE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH
• 19:33
  WITH HIS LIFE.
• 19:34
  AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY POLITICAL PRESSURE.
• 19:39
  AND YOU SEE GIDEON, HE JUST SAW GOD DO AMAZING THINGS,
• 19:43
  AND HE GOES BACK TO WHAT HE KNEW.
• 19:46
  SO HE DIDN'T FINISH STRONG.
• 19:48
  AND I TELL MEN ALL THE TIME, AND I WANT THEM
• 19:51
  TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE YOU EXPERIENCE GOD'S PRESENCE
• 19:54
  CONTINUALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, YOUR EXPERIENCE
• 19:57
  20 YEARS AGO DOESN'T COUNT FOR TODAY.
• 19:58
  I WANT YOU TO EXPERIENCE HIS PRESENCE TODAY.
• 20:00
  YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE
• 20:02
  WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE GOD.
• 20:04
  HIS PRESENCE, HIS GOODNESS.
• 20:06
  AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH
• 20:09
  IN THIS LIFE TO DISTRACT US THAT WE HAVE TO
• 20:12
  KEEP OUR CURIOSITY FOR GOD'S GOODNESS.
• 20:14
  APRIL: YEAH. SO TRUE.
• 20:16
  CINDY: YOU HAD A QUOTE THAT, OR AN ADAGE THAT YOU USED
• 20:18
  THAT SAID, CHAMPIONS MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, NOT EXCUSES.
• 20:23
  AND I HAVE GRANDSONS AND SONS THAT I WANT THEM
• 20:29
  TO KNOW THAT, THAT TO BE CHAMPIONS, YOU'VE GOT
• 20:31
  TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND NOT EXCUSES.
• 20:34
  WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT?
• 20:35
  CODY: YEAH. WELL, YOU SEE IT --
• 20:36
  SO I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE ORIGINAL QUOTE WAS,
• 20:39
  BUT I USED IT A TON BECAUSE I LOVE IT.
• 20:40
  BUT WHEN YOU REALLY SEE YOURSELF AS A CHAMPION,
• 20:43
  I THINK IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE.
• 20:46
  IF WHEN WE GO VISIT, SAY WE GO VISIT
• 20:48
  THE OLYMPIC TRAINING CENTER IN COLORADO SPRINGS,
• 20:50
  EVERYBODY THERE IS THINKING LIKE A CHAMPION.
• 20:53
  I SPOKE TO MULTIPLE FOOTBALL TEAMS BEFORE GAMES
• 20:56
  IN THEIR OFF SEASON TO HELP WITH THEIR SPORTS PSYCHOLOGY,
• 20:59
  AND I LOVED THAT SO MUCH.
• 21:00
  BUT THEY THINK ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL.
• 21:01
  A LOT OF SPORTS TEAMS WILL HAVE LIKE,
• 21:02
  PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION TODAY AND THEY
• 21:04
  HIT IT ON THE WAY OUT.
• 21:05
  OU BEING ONE OF THEM, WHICH I LOVE.
• 21:08
  BUT SO MANY PEOPLE FORGET THAT THEY ARE CHAMPIONS.
• 21:10
  AND THAT'S WHAT GOD MADE US.
• 21:12
  HE PUT INSIDE OF OUR DNA,
• 21:14
  LIKE YOU LOOK AT THE ELI MANNING FAMILY
• 21:16
  AND THE PEYTON MANNING FAMILY, OF LIKE THIS LINEAGE
• 21:18
  OF JUST CHAMPIONS THAT COME OUT OF THEM.
• 21:20
  THAT LINEAGE IS IN US.
• 21:22
  AND GOD'S SAYING, I PUT, I SENT MY SON TO DIE
• 21:25
  ON A CROSS FOR YOU.
• 21:27
  THE MOMENT YOU RECEIVED THE SACRIFICE HE MADE FOR YOU,
• 21:30
  YOU EXPERIENCED MY BLOOD,
• 21:33
  THE POWER OF MY BLOOD IN YOUR --
• 21:34
  YOU HAVE OVERCOMING POWER INSIDE OF YOU.
• 21:37
  AND I THINK WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT, IT'S LIKE,
• 21:39
  OKAY, I'M GOING TO THINK LIKE A CHAMPION.
• 21:40
  LIKE, IF WE'RE WATCHING ALL THOSE AND I'VE WRITTEN A BOOK
• 21:43
  WITH A LADY THAT WAS OVER ALL OF THE NUTRITION FOR OU,
• 21:46
  11 OF THE MAIN SPORTS TEAMS.
• 21:49
  YEAH, YOU MAKE A MISTAKE,
• 21:50
  BUT, LIKE, IF YOU'RE CLIMBING UP
• 21:51
  A 58-STORY BUILDING AND WE'RE TAKING THE STAIRS
• 21:53
  AND YOU SLIP AND FALL ON THE 13TH STORY,
• 21:55
  YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM
• 21:56
  AND JUST START CRYING.
• 21:58
  YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK UP AND KEEP GOING,
• 21:59
  LIKE, OUCH, THAT HURTS.
• 22:01
  BUT, HEY, WE GOT SOME FLOORS TO GO,
• 22:04
  LIKE, WE'VE GOT SOME STAIRS TO COVER.
• 22:05
  I FEEL LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE, THEY'LL SIT DOWN
• 22:08
  AND SAY, I CAN'T DO IT.
• 22:10
  I WAS LIKE, HEY, IT'S FINE.
• 22:11
  YOU JUST MADE A MISTAKE.
• 22:13
  LIKE, OH, MY BOOK, I WANT IT TO BE SO COMMON,
• 22:16
  LIKE, YOU'RE A HUMAN, YOU WILL SIN.
• 22:18
  CINDY: RIGHT.
• 22:19
  CODY: AND WHEN YOU SIN, GOD'S GRACE IS WAITING
• 22:21
  RIGHT THERE FOR YOU.
• 22:22
  APRIL: YEAH. SO GOOD.
• 22:23
  YOU KNOW, CODY, SO MANY PEOPLE DIDN'T COME FROM
• 22:25
  A CHAMPIONSHIP LINEAGE.
• 22:27
  CODY: YEAH.
• 22:28
  APRIL: THEY DIDN'T. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE
• 22:29
  TO BE SPOKEN --
• 22:30
  YOU KNOW, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THIS.
• 22:32
  SPEAK TO THE FOOL IN SOMEONE AND THE FOOL
• 22:33
  WILL RISE UP, BUT SPEAK TO THE KING OR THE QUEEN
• 22:35
  IN SOMEONE, AND THE KING AND THE QUEEN WILL RISE UP.
• 22:37
  CODY: THAT'S GOOD.
• 22:38
  APRIL: SOME PEOPLE, SOME MEN WATCHING,
• 22:40
  DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SPEAKING THAT INTO THEM.
• 22:42
  CODY: YEAH.
• 22:43
  APRIL: AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY, JUST BECAUSE
• 22:45
  YOU DIDN'T COME FROM A HEALTHY FAMILY DOESN'T MEAN
• 22:46
  A HEALTHY FAMILY CAN'T COME FROM YOU.
• 22:48
  SO THERE'S SOME MEN WATCHING THAT, YOU KNOW,
• 22:52
  I KNOW THEY'RE THINKING I DIDN'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE,
• 22:54
  BUT CAN'T WE LOOK TO THESE MEN, TO GOD, ULTIMATELY --
• 22:57
  CODY: YEAH.
• 22:57
  APRIL: BUT WE SEE THE FLAWS.
• 22:59
  WE SEE THAT WE CAN PICK OURSELVES BACK UP.
• 23:01
  WE CAN START THAT CHAMPIONSHIP LINEAGE
• 23:04
  RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.
• 23:04
  CODY: YEAH.
• 23:06
  AND WITH ALL LEVEL OF EMPATHY I CAN MUSTER,
• 23:10
  I SEE MEN THAT ARE 50 YEARS OLD LIVING IN THE EXCUSES
• 23:14
  OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM AS KIDS.
• 23:17
  THOSE ARE VALID REASONS THAT ARE DIFFICULT,
• 23:20
  BUT EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO GO FORWARD IN LIFE
• 23:23
  AND YOU HAVE TO SAY, THIS HAPPENED TO ME,
• 23:25
  BUT NOW I'M GOING TO HAPPEN TO LIFE IN THIS WAY.
• 23:27
  APRIL: I LOVE THAT.
• 23:29
  CODY: AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO SAY, OKAY,
• 23:30
  SO I'VE BEEN MORBIDLY OBESE SINCE I WAS TWO.
• 23:33
  OKAY, I'M SO SORRY.
• 23:35
  AND MY PARENTS FED ME THIS AND WE DIDN'T EXERCISE.
• 23:36
  OKAY.
• 23:37
  BUT YOU'RE 50.
• 23:38
  APRIL: RIGHT.
• 23:39
  CODY: LIKE, EITHER YOU GET IT TOGETHER
• 23:40
  AND YOU ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOD-GIVEN DESTINY,
• 23:42
  OR THAT'S GOING TO DESTROY --
• 23:44
  I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN.
• 23:46
  I'D SAY MEDICALLY IT WOULD.
• 23:47
  I'M NOT SURE THEOLOGICALLY,
• 23:48
  BUT IT'S GOING TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY
• 23:51
  IN YOUR LIFE THE QUALITY.
• 23:54
  AND I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO JUST SEE
• 23:55
  A REVOLUTION OF MEN AND WOMEN SPEAK TO
• 23:59
  THAT CHAMPION ON A DAILY BASIS.
• 24:01
  AND JUST TO SAY TO EVERY WOMAN, IF YOU WANT YOUR MAN
• 24:03
  TO BE A CHAMPION, SPEAK TO THAT CHAMPION IN HIM.
• 24:06
  PRAY FOR THAT CHAMPION IN HIM TO COME OUT.
• 24:09
  DON'T BELITTLE HIM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE
• 24:11
  ALL THE TIME OF LIKE, MAN, I WISH MY HUSBAND
• 24:14
  WAS MORE LIKE THIS.
• 24:15
  AND GUYS SAY THAT ABOUT THEIR WIVES,
• 24:17
  BUT I JUST REALLY WANT WIVES,
• 24:18
  LIKE, IF YOU PRAY TO THAT, TO GOD AND YOU CALL
• 24:21
  THAT CHAMPION OUT OF HIM, IT'S THE BEST GIFT A WIFE
• 24:23
  CAN GIVE HER HUSBAND.
• 24:24
  APRIL: OH, THAT'S SO GOOD.
• 24:26
  CINDY: I HAVE A HEART FOR THE LOCAL CHURCH.
• 24:29
  AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MEN THAT ARE NEEDING SOMEONE
• 24:33
  TO HELP AND ENCOURAGE THEM.
• 24:34
  WHAT AS A LOCAL CHURCH CAN BE DONE,
• 24:36
  WHAT CAN BE DONE THAT WE CAN RAISE MEN UP
• 24:39
  TO BE THE MIGHTY WARRIORS THAT WE SEE
• 24:41
  THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE?
• 24:42
  CODY: YEAH, IT'S SUCH A GREAT QUESTION.
• 24:44
  MY ONLY CONCLUSION TO THAT, AFTER 15 YEARS OF DOING THIS
• 24:47
  WITH MY FULL-TIME WORK, IS THAT MEN
• 24:50
  HAVE TO STEP UP AND BE A REALLY GOOD FRIEND.
• 24:53
  I THINK THE THING THAT SATAN HATES THE WORST
• 24:56
  IS RELATIONSHIP.
• 24:57
  AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH,
• 24:59
  YOU EXPERIENCE A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS,
• 25:00
  IT CHANGES YOUR LIFE.
• 25:02
  THAT RELATIONSHIP CHANGES YOUR LIFE.
• 25:03
  THE HOLY SPIRIT EMPOWERS YOU, CHANGES YOU,
• 25:06
  GIVES YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED.
• 25:08
  AND WE EXPERIENCE THAT SOMETIMES
• 25:09
  AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, COOL.
• 25:11
  WELL, NOW IT'S WEDNESDAY AND I'M DISTRACTED
• 25:13
  AND I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE I NEED HIS PRESENCE TODAY.
• 25:15
  I JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH MY TO-DO LIST.
• 25:17
  I FEEL LIKE MEN HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES OVER DECADES
• 25:20
  WHERE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE FRIENDS, AND THEY HAVEN'T MADE
• 25:23
  THAT INTENTIONAL BECAUSE WE CALL IT ACCOUNTABILITY,
• 25:25
  WHICH I HATE THAT WORD SO MUCH.
• 25:27
  IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I TELL MY SON WITH A CAR
• 25:29
  BECAUSE HE'S 15, HE'S DRIVING ME PLACES.
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  I'M DRIVING --
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  IT'S REALLY HARD TO TEACH A KID TO DRIVE.
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  [ LAUGHTER ]
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  APRIL: AMEN. IT IS.
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  CODY: THE BEST PART OF YOU DOESN'T COME OUT
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  IN THAT PASSENGER SEAT
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  WHEN HE'S NOT STOPPING AT A STOP SIGN.
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  BUT I TELL HIM ALL THE TIME, LIKE, IF YOU JUST
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  TAKE CARE OF YOUR CAR WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY,
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  THAT'S NOT PROPER STEWARDSHIP.
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  I FEEL LIKE MEN NEED TO REALIZE TODAY
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  THAT FRIENDSHIPS AREN'T DEVELOPED
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  JUST IN EMERGENCIES.
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  THEY'RE DEVELOPED CONSISTENTLY
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  OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
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  YOU'VE GOT TO CONSTANTLY PUT GAS IN THAT RELATIONSHIP
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  AND CHANGE THE OIL AND HAVE THOSE EXPERIENCES.
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  BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WITH DAVID, MY CONCLUSION ON DAVID,
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  HE ONLY, HE ONLY HAD ONE FRIEND, AND IT WAS JONATHAN.
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  OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYBODY SERVED HIM OR FEARED HIM.
• 26:10
  I BELIEVE IF HE WOULD HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD FRIEND,
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  IT WOULD HAVE PUT HIM ON THAT BATTLEFIELD WITH JOAB
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  AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD BATHSHEBA.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
• 26:17
  CINDY: WHY DO YOU THINK MEN HAVE TROUBLE MAYBE
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  MAKING FRIENDSHIPS?
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  LIKE WOMEN, IT SEEMS LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE,
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  I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT,
• 26:25
  BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD HAVE SEVERAL ACQUAINTANCES.
• 26:27
  I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CLOSE FRIENDS,
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  BUT LIKE LOTS OF WOMEN THAT MAYBE YOU COULD CALL.
• 26:31
  BUT SOMETIMES I THINK WITH MEN, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
• 26:35
  WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE?
• 26:37
  CODY: SO, A MAN THAT IS IN INTRAMURAL SPORTS
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  AND THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR SOFTBALL TEAM'S
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  PLAYING THIS WEEKEND,
• 26:42
  OR THEIR INTRAMURAL BASKETBALL TEAM'S PLAYING,
• 26:44
  THEY KNOW THEY NEED A TEAM TO ACCOMPLISH IT,
• 26:46
  AND THEY'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THAT TEAM.
• 26:49
  WHAT MEN HAVE DONE, IS THEY'VE STOPPED VIEWING THEMSELVES
• 26:51
  AS CHAMPIONS FOR CHRIST AND ADVANCING THE KINGDOM
• 26:53
  BY FORCE, AND THEY'VE ALLOWED THE EXCUSE
• 26:56
  OF A BUSY LIFE TO DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM FRIENDSHIP,
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  WHERE WOMEN HAVE AN INNATE NEED FOR IT.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
• 27:03
  CODY: AND YOU GUYS ENJOY IT.
• 27:04
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 27:05
  CODY: SO DO MEN, BUT WE PRETEND LIKE WE DON'T ENJOY IT.
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  I LOVE SITTING WITH A MAN AND HAVING A REALLY
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  GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND BEING LIKE, WOW, YOU KNOW ME
• 27:12
  AND I KNOW YOU.
• 27:14
  SO THEN WHEN LIFE HITS THE FAN, YOU'RE READY TO BE
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  ABLE TO SAY, HEY, MAN, SO I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN MYSELF.
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  LIKE, I MADE A MISTAKE.
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  APRIL: YEAH.
• 27:23
  CODY: OH, COOL.
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  AND FRIENDS, THEY SIT WITH EACH OTHER.
• 27:27
  BUT I FEEL LIKE A FRIENDSHIP ISN'T BASED ON
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  JUST THE EMERGENCY RELATIONSHIP OF,
• 27:30
  OH, YOU SCREWED UP, SO NOW I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU.
• 27:32
  THAT FEELS LIKE A SYSTEMATIZED THING
• 27:34
  THAT ISN'T A GENUINE RELATIONSHIP.
• 27:36
  HEY, I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH LIFE WITH YOU.
• 27:38
  I WANT TO EXPERIENCE YOUR VICTORIES.
• 27:40
  APRIL: RIGHT.
• 27:41
  CODY: I WANT TO CRY WITH YOU IN YOUR HARDSHIPS,
• 27:43
  BUT I'M GOING TO BE THERE WITH YOU.
• 27:45
  AND WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS TOGETHER.
• 27:46
  BUT I FEEL LIKE IF MEN VALUED FRIENDSHIPS AS CHAMPIONS,
• 27:51
  THEY WOULD ACCOMPLISH SO MUCH MORE.
• 27:53
  AND SATAN IS WARRING TO GET MEN TO SEE THAT
• 27:55
  AS A PRIORITY.
• 27:56
  APRIL: WHAT DO YOU HOPE MEN WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THIS BOOK
• 27:58
  AFTER 68 DAYS, RIGHT,
• 27:59
  68 DAYS CINEMATIC DEVOTIONAL,
• 28:02
  WHAT DO YOU HOPE THEY WILL, THE MESSAGE THAT
• 28:04
  THEY'LL RECEIVE?
• 28:05
  CODY: I HAVE TO QUOTE DR. DOUG WEISS.
• 28:06
  I WAS ON HIS SHOW AND IT WAS, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT
• 28:08
  WHEN I WAS WRITING IT, BUT HE SAID,
• 28:09
  WHAT WOULD YOUR CHAPTER IN THIS LOOK LIKE?
• 28:13
  APRIL: THAT'S GOOD.
• 28:14
  CODY: SO IF YOU FINISH AND DAY 69 IS YOURS,
• 28:16
  WHAT WOULD YOUR CHAPTER LOOK LIKE?
• 28:17
  AND IT WAS REALLY POWERFUL FOR ME TO THINK OF,
• 28:21
  I HOPE MINE FINISHES WELL AND I CAN STAND LIKE CALEB
• 28:25
  TO JOSHUA AND SAY, LIKE, I'M GOING TO GO
• 28:27
  CONQUER THAT, HEBRON.
• 28:28
  I'M GOING TO KILL THAT GIANT CIVILIZATION,
• 28:32
  THAT MOST FAMOUS GIANT OF ALL THE LAND.
• 28:33
  I'M GOING TO KILL HIM.
• 28:34
  I'M GOING TO GET MY --
• 28:35
  AND I'M GOING TO FINISH WELL.
• 28:37
  I HOPE THAT'S THE END OF CODY BOBAY'S CHAPTER
• 28:39
  IN THAT BOOK.
• 28:41
  BUT I HOPE IT INSPIRES MEN TO THINK,
• 28:42
  HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
• 28:44
  YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
• 28:46
  AND SO UNLESS JESUS COMES BACK AND PULLS US
• 28:48
  RIGHT AT THE LAST MINUTE, YOU'RE GOING TO DIE.
• 28:51
  SO LET'S PLAN TO DIE WITH HONOR AND RESPECT
• 28:53
  AND BE REALLY RICH IN RELATIONSHIPS.
• 28:55
  APRIL: SO GOOD.
• 28:57
  AND WE HAVE THE POWER TO WRITE OUR OWN STORY.
• 28:58
  CODY: YES.
• 28:59
  GOD'S LIKE, HEY, YOU HAVE THE POWER.
• 29:01
  IT'S IN YOUR TONGUE.
• 29:03
  AND THE MOMENT YOU START TO CHANGE
• 29:04
  WHAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH,
• 29:05
  YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE WHOLE SHIP CHANGE.
• 29:07
  BUT GOD'S LIKE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS POWER
• 29:09
  BECAUSE IT'S FREE WILL.
• 29:10
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 29:11
  CODY: AND IT'S LIKE YOUR CREATIVE POWER STARTS WITH
• 29:13
  WHAT YOU SPEAK AND YOU CAN WRITE IT AND SUCCEED.
• 29:18
  APRIL: YEAH.
• 29:19
  CODY: OR YOU CAN WRITE IT AND FINISH REALLY POORLY.
• 29:20
  APRIL: EXACTLY.
• 29:21
  THAT WAS SO GOOD.
• 29:22
  AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT WE WANT YOU
• 29:25
  TO REMEMBER THAT GOD HAS A UNIQUE CALLING
• 29:27
  ON THE LIVES OF MEN.
• 29:29
  HE HAS A PLAN FOR YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR BROTHER,
• 29:31
  AND YOUR FATHER, AND IT TAKES BOLD FAITH AND OBEDIENCE
• 29:35
  TO WALK IN THAT BIBLICALLY-MASCULINE STRENGTH.
• 29:38
  IF GOD IS SPEAKING TO YOU, OR MAYBE HE'S PUT SOMEONE
• 29:41
  PARTICULAR ON YOUR HEART AND YOU WANT SOMEONE
• 29:44
  TO PRAY WITH YOU, I WANT YOU TO CALL THAT NUMBER,
• 29:47
  TOLL FREE NUMBER, 1-800-329-0029.
• 29:50
  WE HAVE AMAZING PRAYER PARTNERS THAT ARE JUST
• 29:53
  WAITING TO AGREE WITH YOU IN FAITH.
• 29:55
  THEY'RE READY TO PRAY FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
• 29:57
  I WANT TO THANK CODY FOR JOINING US TODAY.
• 29:59
  AND BE SURE YOU PICK UP A COPY OF HIS BOOK,
• 30:02
  IT'S AMAZING, MEMOIRS OF THE MIGHTY MEN.
• 30:05
  AND FOR MORE, YOU CAN VISIT HIM ONLINE
• 30:07
  AT CODYBOBAY.COM.
• 30:09
  AS ALWAYS, FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
• 30:11
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• 30:14
  WHEREVER YOU STREAM.
• 30:15
  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.
• 30:17
  AND UNTIL NEXT TIME, BYE-BYE FOR TODAY.
• 30:20
  ♪♪
• 30:22
  ANNOUNCER: THIS EPISODE HONORS THE LEGACY OF
• 30:23
  OUR LATE PRESIDENT, JONI LAMB.
• 30:26
  UNTIL NEXT TIME, BYE-BYE FOR TODAY.
• 30:29
  ♪♪