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Portal Panic · Boundary Corner Podcast

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The. And welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner podcast, a part of the College Huddle network along
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with my partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton
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Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and this
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episode is brought to you by Doctor Jeremy Counts down at
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Counts Family Pharmacy, your friendly neighborhood pharmacy
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located three O 1 S Main St. in Blacksburg.
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Welcome aboard everybody. How we doing this wonderful
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Wednesday evening? Curtis got the hat, he got the
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eggnog. He's fucking ready for
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Christmas. So, ready for Christmas?
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I got. One day of work, I claim I'm
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going to work Monday and when, which means I'm a log on and
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touch the button for six or seven hours.
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But I'm it's, I'm ready. I'm ready for Christmas.
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What about y'all? Sheldon, how are you feeling
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Ready. I'm ready, man I'm I, I know
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it's a sign when I'm getting old that, you know, most of my
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Christmas wish list gifts are like, you know, household
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appliances and standard basic electronic devices to help me
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with work. So kind of takes the joy out of
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it, I guess. But still excited to see my
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family, Yes. Got that that that portable
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extra monitor for his laptop on his list.
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Yes, I did. Yes, that's exactly right.
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I did. For my birth, for my birthday, I
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got a food processor and I was like super happy 'cause I hate
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grade cheese. So if you make your Mac and
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cheese, I hate grade. If you got a food processor, it
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definitely helps. So did did.
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Did you also get? Do you also have the chopper
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thing for when you do onions and pepper?
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Chop the chop. I have the thing for the food
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processor with the top like the little insert thing for the food
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processor. You got to have it.
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So I haven't got the insert that chops the like what you're
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talking about, but you can you can get one that does it.
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Like Shelton's actually putting the monitor up right now.
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This is actually. Yeah, I got AI, got AI, got a
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small crappy one because I got to watch this UVA Memphis game.
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They're going down to the wire. Double team, double time.
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Oh hold on y'all, we got a couple things to unload.
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Something might have just broke on Twitter.
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Can somebody check that out real quick?
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Yo say big pick up, who is it yo?
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I'm trying to get on Twitter live in living person.
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Let's see who's quicker. Also him.
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I mean, I saw 247 say comms were down, but I, I, I haven't seen
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you. That was like 10 minutes ago.
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Kobe Crawford shout out the man doing the murder Sherrod Cavill
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has committed. So there is one.
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Hey, hey. Just in time, guys, Just in
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time. My boy Yost broke it for us.
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Yo, thanks man. Thank you.
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Coming through in a little holiday meeting, you hadn't had
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the I just sent the the message that they put, you know, 247 put
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out there about Cosby and down. So glad that that came through
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right after that, apparently. Nice.
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And. Koval has one year eligibility
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and apparently trying to get to. I know I talked to our buddy Dan
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Pulse over at Teradon. He said he read because of what
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happened last year with him getting banged and getting
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injured, he's trying to get an extra year of eligibility.
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So at least one, there is a safety spot kind of taken right
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there from a guy that again, originally we were down to the
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wire form a few years ago. So that's good stuff.
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I am really glad. It's like almost in the stars.
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These guys have been seeing Jekyll and Hyde Curtis in the
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chat the last week. Ain't got no damn body visiting.
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Can't get a coach, can't get a transport portal guy.
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I'm up and down. This makes my night.
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Thank you for making my. We, we were going to, we were
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going to lament that, you know, we, we made it this damn far and
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didn't have a commit to talk about from the portal yet.
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The the damn episode is even titled Portal Panic.
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Yeah. Portal panic folks.
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And then we we break 1 live. We know we plugged in like that.
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See, we usually go on Tuesdays. We moved it back to Wednesday
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because we knew what was happening.
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That's how plugged we are because we got phone calls
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yesterday. We made some calls.
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Sheldon got it in for us. We ready to roll.
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So I got some news going on over here at the Tally household.
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First of all, it's been, it's been a rough couple of days.
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My wife, you know, she works a lot and she just so happened be
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off to go to a game and it's on the other side of town.
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So she picked up about four of the boys and she was taking them
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to the game. It's been raining for like 3
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days. Get them, they get almost there
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like probably 5 miles away from the gym and they get hit in the
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back. So her car's jacked up in the
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back right now. And then the next day we wake up
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in the upstairs bathroom flooded.
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So, Oh no, that's been some, that's been some fun stuff going
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on over here at the telly household.
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But I can say you always got to have something good that happens
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with something bad. We got new Internet.
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We got new Internet at the house.
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I am confident that we ready to roll.
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Fuck you AT&T, we would Google Fiber now baby.
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We got in the transfer portal for Internet and I think we
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going to be doing better now, so hopefully we don't have no
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glitches. Hey, hey, if you got the if you
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got fiber, the only thing is going to be you got you got to
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get the whole home coverage. If you got that, I think you're
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set because yeah, man, that that should be.
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Pretty yeah some yeah they added some stuff that I didn't I don't
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think we had what AT&T it is Oh yeah we got to put this upstairs
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so you got you know range up here as well I'm like what the
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fuck they didn't put no range up here is that why I kept on
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getting kicked off stuff but anyway it's been working good
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and I'm excited about it so Sheldon when you talk about
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being older and and and enjoying things like I got the.
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Internet for Christmas. So I'm happy, man.
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Shut up, Jerry. What's up Jerry, Jerry is who I
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need to be talking to about household appliances.
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If y'all need the know anything, I don't know if y'all follow
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Jerry on TikTok, you need to message her and get to TikTok
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cooking home furnishings from home furnishings, everything.
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She is the plug I'm talking about.
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Maybe like 2-3 years ago she sent me a care package of spices
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and when I tell you it was the bomb.
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Thebomb.com baby. So shout out to Jerry.
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That's my supposed to. Shout out, Jerry, All right?
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We got a lot obviously to unload tonight.
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We're going to be doing a lot of fun stuff.
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It's not Tuesday, but we're going to tell the truth about
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things. Obviously we have missed we
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since y'all last. We were last here, which was
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before the UVA game. We've had the signing of the
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class of 25. We're going to talk about that.
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We're going to talk about the portal.
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We're going to hit a little bit on Wit's interview.
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We're going to obviously talk about coaching changes, a big
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coaching decision yesterday, but I do want to bring up something
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and I'm going to also, if you don't mind putting it up there,
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Brian from Steven, because it is something you do address with
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what happened. Unfortunately, gay Williams
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father did pass away this week and right now, you know, I I
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read his post it it it takes me back.
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I was a very young man when I lost my father and for him, you
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know, for Pokey Nation, sending prayers and then thoughts and
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then whatever you can, good vibes, whatever you may believe
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in, whatever you may not believe in to Gabe right now because
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obviously through the holidays, losing a parent, one of those
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tough things. So Gabe, you were nice enough a
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few years ago to join us live and interview you.
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Your dad did a hell of a job with you young man and trust me
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he will be watching down from you and from just talking to
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you. I believe whatever you do in
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your life you're going to make him proud.
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So just you know, keep your thoughts and prayers out there.
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If y'all have anything to say gentlemen, y'all feel free.
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No, man, I think you kind of hit the nail on the head with that,
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man. You know, that's definitely not
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news that you, you know, want to have to talk about or, you know,
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you do want to have to address. But stuff like that happens,
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man. You never know what somebody's
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mind is, what somebody's, you know, heart is and well, how
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they're feeling. So just reaching out and saying,
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you know, I'm thinking about you, you know, we care about
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you, we love you, whatever the case may be.
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This is the time for it, man, because it's right around the
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holiday times. You lose a a family member in
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that fashion. And then he's also dealing with
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an injury, like you said, that young man is, you know, we've
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talked to him multiple times. He's been nothing but
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respectful. And again, like you said,
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Curtis, just I think whatever Gabe, if you if you watching,
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when you see this man, I think whatever you do, like, first of
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all, hope your nation's got your back and you going to make your
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family proud man. So we definitely sending prayers
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up for the Williams family at this time.
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Yeah, obviously in in this situation, you nobody wants to
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to to be in this situation. And obviously already the the
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the mentals of recovering from an injury while you, you know,
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are, are mourning the death of of your father.
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That's got to be just a a whole lot on him right now.
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So anybody that can reach out and just, you know, let him know
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that that they're behind him, that they're thinking of him.
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Anything like that can can lift, lift his spirit.
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So, you know, do that in the in this moment.
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And you know, like, like, like you said, Tally, like you said,
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Curtis Hokie nations got your back and, and, and we're riding
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with you through this regardless of, you know, what the future
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holds for you. Absolutely.
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All right, so let's now turn it over to some more fun stuff,
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some more football related stuff.
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And this started on Monday, I believe, when there was a rumor
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that Michael Vick was interested in potentially taking the
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Sacramento State job, which is way out in California, or the
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Norfolk State job right down the street from where he grew up
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down in the Tidewater and announced yesterday.
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Mike Vick is now officially the head coach of the Norfolk State
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Spartans. First of all, I, I know I texted
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Dwight last night and said because that's his cousin,
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that's his family. That's a big step.
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It's a big thing for Michael from where he was, you know, 15
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years ago, 16 years ago. What do y'all, what do y'all
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think about it? I mean, I know we all probably
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have some thoughts. Anybody want to kick it off
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here? I think it's incredible, man.
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I will let Tally ride first. I know he's got a lot to say on
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this so. I was just going to say, man, I
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mean, you hear so much stuff about, you know, what somebody
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wants to do with the law. He don't want to do this or he
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wants to do this or, you know, do you have people say what?
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You get Michael Vick to be the quarterback culture.
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We should get, you know, Michael Vick to be the OC And some
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people say he don't want to coach.
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He's making this money doing this.
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And you never know, you know, you never know what somebody
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wants to do or what's on their mind to do.
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But now we know that he wants to coach.
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So again, I met, I met, met Mike in person.
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And it was 10 minutes of just me and him having a conversation at
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a Cracker Barrel here in Huntsville, AL.
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And he made me want to run through a wall.
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So I know when he gets in front of 17/18/19 year olds, just
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having a, you know, getting them prepared for a game and just
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talking about his life and things he's went through.
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And he's from that area, you know what I'm saying?
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He's he's him being from there connecting with those kids and
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say, hey, whatever you're going through.
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I went through this stuff and I made it to this level, which was
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the highest level #1 draft pick, you know, did everything just
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about that he could do with his football career.
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I think it's going to be incredible for, you know, just
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him and the families and the, and the kids that he'll be able
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to touch. And I'm excited to see who he,
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where he goes from there, you know what I'm saying?
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Because you never know. And sometimes, you know, for
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black men in coaching, you just got to get a start, you know
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what I'm saying? Like for whatever Dionne is, you
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know, and I'm not trying to make it black and white, but I'm just
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saying sometimes there are politics that are involved and
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you just got to get a start. Like everybody knew who Dionne
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was. And I feel some type of way
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about Dionne, the things he says or things he does.
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But I got to give Dionne his credit.
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He went to Jackson State and he did, for the most part, what he
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said he was going to do. He got Travis Hunter for the
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most part where he said he was going to get him as well as
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other players that he's coached. So Dion got his start similar
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to, you know, kind of what what, what Victoria's doing.
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So I'm excited to see where it takes him, man.
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I mean, I hope it, I hope it crosses paths with Vt because,
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man, we've used him for so much for 30 years or however long
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it's been. Well, he gets to use his own
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name a little bit now. I mean, he's still forever going
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to be a part of Virginia Tech, but I mean, like, we can't call
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him up to come to a game and say, hey, we're honoring Michael
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Vick today and he's going to be there because guess what?
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He's going to be playing in his own games.
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I mean, he's going to be coaching his own games.
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So we got to find a way to incorporate that into what we're
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doing. But it's not about Virginia
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Tech. It's about him going to that
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school and and leaving his mark. So kudos to Mike Vick and the
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Victoria family. Yeah, I'm excited for him.
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I think this is a good opportunity for for him to
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really, you know, get get a good start in, in college football.
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And it sounds like, you know, he's been wanting to pursue this
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for a while. I know there was some
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flirtations, you know, with some smaller pro leagues and things
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like that. So it's good to see him, you
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know, get his foot in the door with, with college football
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here, doing it in his own backyard.
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That's always, that's always got to be something fun that you can
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talk about. And I, I think it's going to be
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a good foundation for him to build off of.
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And I know Tally, you made the, the Dion comparison.
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It's hard not to write. I mean, you talk about, you
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know, players that their brand and the juice that they bring
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kind of follows them where they go, right?
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It's like, I mean, there's probably 2nd and none Dion, but
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the, the, the Victoria aura is still, is still nothing to
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sneeze at, you know, comparatively.
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And, and that alone, I think is going to be something that's
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going to have people interested in what Norfolk State is about.
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So I'm excited to see what, what, what comes from that.
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I'm excited to see what that staff build out.
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Looks like. Sounds like Dwight's going to
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have a, a piece in that. What piece that is will remains
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to be seen, but that's exciting for, for him as well.
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And, you know, just the, the whole circle there.
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And I'm, I'm really excited to see what they do with that.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's I think it's a good hire.
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Obviously Norfolk State's a program that's, you know,
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struggled for some time. And I think, you know, a lot of
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times at that level, you know, it's it's worth taking a chance
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on a guy who, you know, could potentially bring some
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recruiting prowess to that to that school, especially being,
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you know, in the MIAC where, you know, it's really just about,
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you know, getting the players and and, you know, trying to put
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them in a system where they can succeed relative to their
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competitions. So, you know, coaching on HBCU
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is a great fit and I think, you know, I obviously don't know
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what's going on in his head, but I feel like if he, you know, can
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can string something together and, you know, have some success
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here, maybe something down the road popping up even bigger.
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So obviously just take it one day at a time.
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But I think it's I think it's a great opportunity for for both
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parties here. Agreed.
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It's a it's a great opportunity for both parties.
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It's a great opportunity for Mike again, from where he was
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and everything that happened years ago and how he got back in
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the league, turn things around his media career again.
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Brian, you mentioned doing some consulting with some of the some
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of the spring ball leagues and now this.
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So great for my again, big congratulations to him.
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Can't wait to see what it holds down there for him, what the
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staff looks like. So that's going to be pretty
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sweet. Like Speaking of Staffs, it took
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long enough, damn it for them, but staff changes did take place
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last week. Curtis does not have to throw
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things this week. Everybody, it was, it was, it
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was going to get ugly if, if, if these didn't.
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Happen. Oh, it was going to be real ugly
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if none has been announced by the time we went this week.
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So anyway, obviously defensive coordinator Chris Maher out
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offensive line coach, Ron Crooks out strength and conditioning
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coach to white ball. Out.
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So let's kind of go back around. I'm going to start with Shelton
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on this one. Shelton, just your reactions,
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your feelings when it was announced, did they, do you feel
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like the right guys unfortunately met their end?
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Yeah, I do think it was the right decision.
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I was very surprised to see Mark go just because I felt like
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pride would kind of, you know, put his loyalty to him above
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above the team. But he didn't and and credit
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surprise prove me wrong. So I wrote about this for the
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key play, mostly focusing on the offensive line this week and and
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talking about the issue with Crook.
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It seemed like from what Price said in his press conference, he
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was more frustrated with the relationships and recruiting
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aspect of Crook's tenure here. You know, they just did not
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recruit the bodies they needed to in the offensive line.
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I think there were some things that were mishandled earlier on
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in Price tenure that kind of hurt them there.
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But the last two seasons they just have not been able to land
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guys. And I know there's they've sent
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out some offers. But you're looking at 7 O Lyman
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recruited in the last two cycles combined, and that includes the
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portal as well, which is just inexcusable given, you know, how
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many bodies they need and they're already, you know,
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losing guys left and right on the current offensive line.
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So I think that change kind of had to happen.
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Development didn't seem to be great either with Marv.
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I mean, it was kind of a it was kind of a weird situation where
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like the defensive stats were pretty good, but it was somewhat
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of a mirage just because tech faced so many backup
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quarterbacks the entire season, like all their wins where it
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gets backup quarterbacks and all their losses were to, you know,
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decent starting quarterbacks. So you kind of have to take that
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with a little bit of a grain of assault.
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You know, obviously you had, you know, bad situational football.
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The lake game collapses. You know, clearly that's part
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partly on triggering the conditioning.
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I think, you know, maybe a little bit more than we thought
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just because, you know, if you, you know, you can kind of see
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teams wear down late in games. Tech gave up two touchdowns in
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their two overtime losses to Syracuse and Vanderbilt.
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And I think there was a combined 6 plays in those two losses.
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So they were clearly just completely uncompetitive late in
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games. So, so yeah, I mean, it just had
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to happen. There's probably, probably one,
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maybe two more staffers that would have liked to see maybe
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move on, but, you know, probably made the right decision for the
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program. So we'll we'll leave it be for
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now. Curtis, you're muted if you're
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talking. Yeah.
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Saying tally your turn. Oh, OK.
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Oh man, where to start? Fucking fire them all.
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Everybody can go. That's how I felt.
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You know what I'm saying? Get rid of everybody you've
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been. You've been putting that.
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Opinion for a month now. Everybody can go where I could
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go to if he they, we knew he wasn't going to get fired
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because it just, you know, that ain't in the cards.
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But I don't know. It was kind of like, Shelton
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said with with the online recruiting, it was like, man,
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you just can't, you can't win like that.
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You cannot not recruit the online or get anybody in the
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portal or I don't know what we was doing.
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You know, we sitting on our hands and we don't have enough
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bodies to rotate in and you rotate in or keep people in that
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probably don't need to be in. Long story short, I was OK with
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the, you know, it, it is what it is on that.
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I was happy that the online coach was gone.
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I hated that we went through so many online coaches, you know,
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in, in the amount of years that we have.
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But you got to keep going till you get the right one.
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I guess that's the that's the main thing.
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And then I don't know, man, I'm just, I'm still, I'm waiting on
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the defensive side of the defensive coordinator job to see
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what happens or what they bring in because I don't know, man.
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I, I'm frustrated about it. And I don't know where they're
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going to go with that because I'm thinking like, OK, if you
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get rid of your defensive coordinator, but you not getting
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rid of any other defensive guys, what coordinator is going to
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come in and just be like, OK, I'm just going to coach with
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what you have. Most coordinators are going to
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say, I need to bring some people with me.
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I need to bring my whoever D line coach, I need to bring my
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cornerbacks coach. So it's probably going to be
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like, OK, I'm going to give you full range to the defense
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because this is where we were struggling at and I need you to
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come in and fix it. Or is he going to say, oh, well,
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no, you have to coach with my guys because I'm loyal to them.
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You know, I feel like it was a scapegoat kind of just to get
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rid of the defensive coordinator at this point until I see what
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happens next. But what I think is going to
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happen is they're going to go, hey, we're going to do this and
23:45
it's going to be some kind of intern hire thing or I'm going
23:51
to be pissed about that. So I'd like to see what they do
23:54
next before I can really, really judge how I feel about it.
23:57
I can, I can tell you that I can already judge strength and
24:01
conditioning. Coach, get the fuck out.
24:04
You can go. When I seen who was it was it
24:12
was it Clemson? They stiff armed, they stiff
24:15
armed Kelly Lawson and he started running like a a
24:18
werewolf on this, like who was that?
24:22
It was somebody. Anyway, I was like, man, he too,
24:25
he, he, he looks too good to be not making those tackles.
24:29
We ain't getting people to the ground.
24:31
You know, I think, Shelton said. And I know I'm rambling a little
24:34
bit, but I know Shelton keeps up with a lot of stats for me and
24:37
he talked about how unlucky Auburn was as a team.
24:42
I think we was pretty unfucking lucky.
24:44
Like if you get Cam Ward on the ground, then the game's over.
24:49
We missed that tackle, they're catching balls on their back.
24:53
We wrap up, we have the perfect play call when we send the blitz
24:57
against Clemson and we get to the quarterback and next thing
25:01
you know, he escapes and throws it above his head and they get a
25:08
touchdown from that. So stuff like that, man, I don't
25:10
know. So I, I liked Marv.
25:13
I didn't like Marv for certain reasons.
25:15
I did like him for other reasons.
25:16
I'm not saying I'm against the the the firing, but I need to
25:22
see what they do next. Then I'll come on here and I'll
25:24
really go off and I hope and, and, and I'm going to say this
25:29
too. I hope they go out and get a
25:30
online coach, give me some fresh blood.
25:33
I don't want to hear this. Davis is going to be the
25:35
offensive line. People love him and he's so
25:38
great. If you've been in the damn
25:40
building and you ain't been able to fix it.
25:42
Then you ain't the guy. You ain't.
25:44
The guy. So you ain't the guy.
25:45
Thank you Charlie, you can help. You can help, but you can't be
25:50
the guy, so I'm done now. The only, the only internal hire
25:55
that I'm good with is promoting Jarrett Ferguson, the strength
25:59
and conditioning coach. And that's because Jarrett
26:02
Ferguson had the same position under Gentry that he had under
26:08
Gault. So to me, he has the the
26:15
pedigree to take over this position and run it in a in a
26:19
fashion that we know has been successful at Virginia Tech.
26:24
And it's probably also the position that if, if from an
26:29
assistant standpoint, if you're talking about promoting an
26:31
assistant probably has the least to to least input on how the
26:38
overall program is run relative to Co offensive line coach or
26:42
whatever. But so he so to me, he is the
26:45
best. If you're going to look at an
26:47
internal hire, he's the only one that I'll be OK with.
26:50
We if we go internal at any other position, I will be
26:54
pissed. So I'm starting, I'm starting at
26:56
the end and we're working backwards here.
26:58
So that that that's what I don't want to see.
27:02
I thought we got rid of the people we need to get rid of.
27:04
We, you know, we, I think we had highlighted problems that this
27:08
team had as, as things were, were, were coming down the
27:12
stretch. We didn't block well,
27:14
particularly in pass protection. We didn't close out games well.
27:17
We had rough third quarters on defense.
27:19
So basically the entire second-half was, was kind of a
27:24
joke from a defensive standpoint.
27:25
You know, looking big picture, obviously game by game things
27:28
were different, but looking big picture, third, third quarters
27:31
were awful. Ends of games, especially the
27:33
last two minutes were awful from a defensive standpoint.
27:38
So that that's kind of in Marv's corner and a combination of that
27:42
with with Galt as well with the conditioning piece.
27:47
And then you look at, you know, Crook, obviously I think
27:50
performance wise, yeah, we, we talked about pass pro, but also
27:54
if, if you're not able to get the guys in, you're not able to
27:58
build a relationship that you need to, to put all the pieces
28:03
together for an offensive line that is consistently competitive
28:06
in the ACC. It it's, it's tough to make the
28:09
case for that that person to stay on board.
28:12
You know, we, we, we always identified pass pro as a big
28:15
problem for this offensive line. But obviously if you're not
28:19
bringing in guys that are raising that level, that are
28:21
pushing those guys out of starting positions, that's a
28:25
problem as well. So I, I, I'm with coach Prow on
28:29
his ultimate reasoning for, for moving on from Crook and Marv
28:34
and Gault here, because I think those are the three areas that
28:37
will probably give us the best bang for our buck in terms of
28:41
improvement if we're looking to to roll in some new coaches next
28:43
year. Now what I think is interesting
28:46
is what Tally said here of I think if the the DC you hire is
28:52
probably at least going to want to bring in one guy with him.
28:56
Yeah. So if if we're looking at one
29:00
guy, maybe 2, and we're looking at the current construction of
29:06
the defensive coaching staff, I think you can still identify two
29:10
people potentially on that staff that would take lesser roles
29:18
while still being a part of Virginia Tech's coaching staff.
29:21
I think that's Pearson Prelo. I think that is Sean Quinn.
29:25
So you know, you're looking at those two potential.
29:30
What what I would see is, is basically if we're looking at
29:33
ADC, we're looking at ADC that is coaching safeties and or
29:38
linebackers. Yep, I agree with that.
29:45
All right, I'm on real quick what Brian said.
29:48
If there is an internal hire and chill, I'm going to pitch this
29:50
to you in just a second. So hold pipe with internal hires
29:53
because you're the only one that didn't kind of voice.
29:55
Ferguson would be the only one I'd be OK with.
29:57
If they hire Brett Davis, you will see a mad motherfucker in
30:00
about 10 days on liquor because it's what me and Tally just
30:07
said. He's been here already.
30:10
To me, the only reason he's staying here is they had a fire
30:13
crook. I think he's out the door
30:15
because I don't think you do that.
30:17
Because that juju, it kind of gives off like this motherfucker
30:20
has been here for the last two years.
30:23
He has been teaching. He has been doing the same stuff
30:25
Ron's been doing. He didn't do a good enough job.
30:28
Why you just going to give him the keys?
30:30
Don't do that. But obviously, I think more So
30:34
what Ron, where it probably made us a little more angry.
30:37
Is it took and shown? You can probably give the exact
30:40
data points. It felt like it took six games
30:44
for some of the younger guys to start getting more snaps, more
30:47
snaps. It seemed like he was afraid of
30:50
change. Y'all know the one guy we know
30:54
we felt like should have been benched the entire year, but
30:57
it's like he was afraid of change.
30:59
And in this situation, as we always talk about practice
31:04
versus field, some guys are great in practice, some guys
31:09
look like shit in practice, but you put them on the field, and
31:12
this is regardless of type of sport, you put them on the
31:15
field, everything turns to aces. It's like he always made that
31:22
misstep in in practice. I wonder why because he's not a
31:25
practice player. He needs to be in in live game
31:28
action and I think that's what eventually did Ron Crooks in for
31:34
Chris Marv Shelton. I know you probably dove even
31:38
deeper into it, but I saw the Doug Bowman thing from 247 about
31:41
the first half, second-half differences.
31:43
To me, what it show with Chris Marv is Chris kid.
31:48
We say what we want to say in most situations this year he
31:51
could create a really good game plan to begin with, really good
31:55
game plan to begin with his adjustments he could not adjust.
31:59
He did not know how to do that on the fly.
32:01
Unfortunately for him, he was a first time defensive
32:03
coordinator. He did not have anyone really
32:06
with a lot of seasoning note as a Co DC like like somebody like
32:11
a Bob shoot to say, hey, what do we need to do here, coach?
32:13
Talk me through it. And that's my big thing with
32:19
Chris. It was the first second-half
32:21
differences. They cannot do any sort of
32:25
internal hiring for the DC. They cannot do an internal hire
32:29
for the AOL. I mean, I don't even know who
32:31
you would hire internally for. You couldn't, You couldn't.
32:33
But you never know we've. Seen crazy issues if you let no
32:37
if you let Twitter tell it process.
32:40
Just do what the Vanderbilt coach does and he but he said
32:44
that motherfucker is 6 and 6 too.
32:46
He beat some teams, but still 6 won six games.
32:51
Here's the piece. He already, he already ruled
32:52
that out. He said that at the presser.
32:55
And I want to say one other thing.
32:56
If y'all want to talk about the news conference, we can.
32:58
I'm going to put you to Sheldon in just a second.
33:01
That might have been the nicest throwing people under the bus
33:04
I've ever seen because he threw he she, he showed their flaws.
33:08
He was very cordial about it, but he threw all of them under
33:11
the bus basically saying we weren't good enough here, We
33:13
weren't good enough here, we weren't good enough here.
33:15
And you knew like, Yep, that was Chris Mall.
33:17
Oh, that was wrong for Sheldon real quick.
33:22
In house hires. Are you OK with any in house
33:25
hires? Would you be pissed?
33:27
Would you fly off like I would? I mean, I, I tend to be case by
33:32
case basis. I guess the one the one
33:35
potential would be Brent Davis, who knows very well respected.
33:40
I don't know. I mean, I I definitely for
33:44
strength and conditioning. I would definitely like to see
33:46
them go go outside the house and get some a little bit more, you
33:48
know, proven. I think, you know, over the last
33:53
couple years, prize really stocked up his staff with lots
33:55
of BT guys, you know, alums, Hokies, you know, guys he's
34:00
friends with, you know, essentially people that he has
34:02
connections with. And I'm not saying there's
34:04
nothing inherently wrong with that, but I think there is a
34:06
balance between like, you know, going to the field that you're
34:08
comfortable with versus actually going out and expanding your,
34:11
your horizon and kind of getting, you know, some, some
34:14
big time higher. So I personally would probably
34:16
learn more towards, you know, going, going outside the house
34:19
and trying to get someone big time.
34:21
I mean, cause they've got, they've got decent money.
34:23
I mean, you know, Marva's making a top, you know, 3540 salary.
34:27
So I mean, they, they've got some money to spend.
34:29
And I, I, I just prefer to, you know, if, if you can't, if you
34:33
can't have success with, you know, your, your current staff,
34:36
the guys you're comfortable with.
34:37
And why not, you know, get outside your comfort zone a
34:39
little bit and kind of expand your boundaries, I guess.
34:43
All right, so let's let's go with this next targets anywhere
34:48
y'all read anyone y'all like I don't care the position.
34:52
I'll flip it over to Brian. Is there anybody out there,
34:54
Brian, that again, we're not there yet.
34:58
A lot of people are pissed, by the way.
35:01
A lot of people are pissed. We just done phone interviews.
35:04
Isn't stupid. That means they're probably
35:07
trying to hire from good teams, right?
35:10
Teams that made bowls, maybe teams that made playoffs.
35:14
People, get your head out of your asses, OK.
35:17
And if you're actually falling for that, like how stupid, How
35:20
far behind are we? Like no, if you're at this point
35:23
and you're hiring, it's either teams that are playing playoffs
35:27
or involved, which means they're decent fucking teams.
35:31
Oh. You want me to talk now?
35:34
Sorry, man, I told you that pissed me off because people
35:38
don't know how anything works, people.
35:40
People think it's a people think it's a video game and you can
35:43
just click and hire the coach. That's how you do hey?
35:46
I'm, I'm with you, man. All right, I'm, I'm gonna
35:49
approach this from from 2 levels and I've said this privately.
35:54
I'll said this publicly, I'll say it on here and it's probably
35:57
going to ruffle some feathers and that's OK.
35:59
Go. For.
36:01
It two guys that I would like see to see attached to the
36:05
offensive line coach hire would be Matt Moore and Marcus
36:09
Johnson. One name I.
36:12
We know you love Marcus. One name I do not want to see
36:15
attached to it is Todd Washington.
36:20
And I will elaborate by saying I've got nothing against Ty
36:23
Washington as a coach, but give me somebody that's had to
36:27
recruit in college football with his own unit in the last 15
36:30
years. If if, if the relationship piece
36:34
and the recruiting piece are what you've identified as Ron
36:37
Crooks deficiencies outside of vibes.
36:42
I don't know what Washington brings to the table that would
36:46
improve that. Can you recruit?
36:50
Can you recruit worse than than Ron Crook though?
36:54
We don't know. That's the problem.
36:55
I want a damn slam dunk tally. Give me a slam dunk take.
36:58
Take the layup better. Than Ron Crook.
37:00
Did take the layup though. Man, I don't, I don't.
37:02
I don't want a what if or could could happen.
37:05
Give me somebody that's done it. So you said Marcus what?
37:09
Marcus Johnson, right? Yeah.
37:11
Where is he at right now? Most recently at Purdue.
37:15
OK, Purdue just got rid of the coach, right?
37:18
Yes, he did. So that means he may be he
37:21
should be looking for a job. So that's I mean, that's I've
37:23
looked at him a little bit and not that makes sense.
37:26
That's a that would be a good hire.
37:28
I think he would be a a good. Hire a similar situation.
37:31
Yeah, I have to do a little bit of, I have to do a little bit of
37:35
research on him. I I haven't looked at him that
37:37
much, but I did look up. I'm going.
37:38
To say this real quick, Zach Frazier with the Steelers the
37:41
highest taking center. He tooted him for three years.
37:45
OK. That motherfucker that I, I
37:48
wanted him on my team and we didn't draft him.
37:50
Right. So I don't know, man.
37:54
It's just, I don't, I don't, I don't.
37:56
I mean, the only name that I really thought about is, is the
37:59
name that that Brian kind of threw out for the old line was
38:03
Marcus Johnson. I didn't know exactly what his
38:06
situation was right now, but I would, I think that would be a
38:11
good hire if we could pull that off.
38:13
But man, I'm just, I don't have no confidence.
38:15
I don't have no confidence that when you say can we go get a
38:19
slam dunk, I mean, like Chris just said, and and our as Joe
38:26
Rudolph was a slam dunk, right? So why didn't it work out?
38:30
So if we got these guys that are high level that we should think
38:35
as a slam dunk, are they not want to work under Pride because
38:38
Pride's not being successful? Or do they not want to be in
38:42
Blacksburg because it's not the place for the I don't know, man.
38:46
I kind of feel like it's a specialized place to be and a
38:50
specialized job. Yeah, it's probably can have a
38:52
little bit of money there. It's going to be involved, of
38:54
course, but I just I'm more concerned about what the head,
39:00
what the top is doing more than like those pieces and things
39:04
like that. Of course I'll be pissed if we
39:07
do some internal stuff, but I need to see.
39:10
I'm glad probably threw some people on the bus.
39:12
I mean, I was hoping that he would do like they did on
39:16
Jeepers Creepers and and keep on going backwards and coming and
39:21
running over them again. If you ain't never seen Jeepers
39:22
Creepers, go watch it when they ran his ass over.
39:25
That's what I want him to do to coaches because if it's me or
39:28
you on the line, it's going to be you.
39:31
I'm going to throw you under the bus so I can save myself.
39:35
And then I'm going to come back and I'm going to correct what
39:37
I've done wrong so I can do better.
39:42
Because at the end of the day, when we look at that record, the
39:44
record is the head coaches record.
39:48
When we talk about close games, they ain't going to say he is
39:52
this in this in close games. When Kris Marv is his DC,
39:56
they're going to say that is him.
39:59
So he's he has to do some things different.
40:02
When we talk about crook not playing people until certain
40:06
games, I feel like we did that all over the defense and
40:08
offense. So I don't know, man, I'm just
40:12
not saying I'm disinterested. I just I really need to see what
40:16
what they want to roll out next. I know it's not man, I'm just a
40:18
fan, but I really want to see what they roll out next because.
40:24
Yeah, I don't have no confidence in in what we're doing in
40:27
Blacksburg right now. They've got to earn it back.
40:30
All right. So can I address this a little
40:32
bit real quick because Tally, you got to talk about it.
40:36
Chris obviously put it in there and obviously Pete kind of
40:38
followed up here. I'm not solely on the I think
40:42
long term Joe Rudolph would have paid off situation, but what I
40:46
do think is that Joe Rudolph prior to Virginia Tech was at
40:51
places that historically offensive lineman want to play
40:55
at before he got here where he is now.
40:59
Offensive lineman want to play at Wisconsin, offensive lineman
41:02
want to play at Notre Dame. It it it kind of recruits itself
41:07
to a point he does a very good job of taking talented players
41:11
and and making them into great players.
41:13
I don't know how good he is at taking mid and turning it into
41:16
good and I don't know if we would have seen a higher ceiling
41:20
with that. But what I what I do think is
41:23
that if you get good in the building, you don't have to be
41:26
great developing. You just need to be pretty darn
41:28
good. And what we've seen is that
41:31
Marcus Johnson can recruit offensive lineman at a high
41:33
level and doing it at schools that aren't necessarily
41:36
historically juggernauts from an offensive line standpoint.
41:41
You know, Missouri, Mississippi State, he was there at Duke for
41:46
a bit. So I mean, there's there's a
41:49
history here where he can recruit talented players
41:54
regardless of the school's caliber and his history in a, in
41:58
a from an offensive line play perspective.
42:01
So that gives me a little bit of of hope that it will translate
42:05
to a Virginia Tech. So that's my piece there.
42:09
And so kind of, you know, refuting a little bit of the Joe
42:12
Rudolph there, but not necessarily under playing that,
42:16
you know, Rudolph wasn't a talented coach because he is.
42:19
What about you, Shelton? Anything floating you heard?
42:23
Or any coordinator? Yeah, I was.
42:26
Got some here. I was going to say on the
42:28
Rudolph thing again, I talked about this in Miracle this week,
42:31
but you cannot question Rudolph's coaching ability, but
42:35
I think it was a short sighted hire.
42:37
I just I just don't think he was ever going to stay here for more
42:39
than two years. And pride certainly had to know
42:41
that with how much, you know, how much interest he would have
42:43
gotten. He didn't he didn't fit the
42:46
personnel we had at the time and he didn't cast a very wide net
42:50
in the transfer portal. And then he leaves in March.
42:53
You hire a crook, that doesn't work out.
42:55
You can't get any good transfers.
42:56
And it kind of just set us back, you know, a couple more years.
42:59
So I think going back there's, there's lots of things that
43:01
probably would have changed, but I just, I just don't think it
43:04
was what BT needed at the time. I would have preferred someone
43:08
of a little more kind of a lower level developmental program.
43:12
You know, a guy like Adam Cushing and was that
43:13
Northwestern Matt Gallico took him in, went to Duke and the
43:16
Texas A&M, you know, guy like that, I think would have been a
43:19
little bit more kind of, you know, the, the, you know, type
43:23
of type of online coach we should go for.
43:24
I just, I don't think it was the right the right move for what we
43:27
needed at the time. I got.
43:30
You I'll ask this question right quick.
43:32
I'll ask this question. I know, I know Brian put a name
43:35
out there, but so mainly to Curtis and Shelton because
43:38
Shelton kind of hinted around and I like what you said.
43:41
What kind of guy does in the position we're in right now?
43:46
What kind of coach? I ain't saying a name.
43:49
What kind of old line coach do you y'all think we need right
43:53
now? Like do y'all think we need a
43:54
very experienced coach? You think we need a young,
43:57
young, energetic coach? Like what kind of mold do you
44:00
think we need for this next step that we have to take?
44:06
I think we need a personality guy.
44:09
I, I think we need a guy that can relate well with a broad
44:14
range of kids that reside within the footprint that we recruit.
44:22
I don't think we necessarily I, I think Crook may have been
44:27
Crook and Rudolph to a point may have been a little bit more
44:30
traditional than the type of coach.
44:34
I think that we need this go around.
44:37
I'm I'm with Ron on that. Just just someone who's a
44:40
willing recruiter. I mean, again, offensive line is
44:43
a position where you have to stack bodies.
44:44
And I'm just, I'm just, you know, we, I, I don't think the
44:48
recruiting gave them a chance. Honestly, like with how, with
44:51
how bad it was the, the lack of, you know, commitments these last
44:55
two years in, in that room, I just, I, I, I think I, I don't
44:59
think they had a chance. So just just get someone who's a
45:01
recruiter and bring guys in, really.
45:04
Yeah, give me an energy, give me a younger guy because you have
45:08
to stack bodies like like y'all are both saying like we're all
45:11
saying you've got to stack bodies in that room and with a
45:17
younger guy. Is it is it a choice of Levar
45:22
didn't put a name in here, so I'm going to have to look it up.
45:24
But to me, you've got to go younger, like, and it's not
45:28
necessarily that those young guys can't coach.
45:33
A lot of them can coach, but you need energy like you need to
45:37
make that room believe again. You need to make them mean you
45:42
know. Mark responsive.
45:47
You're on mute, Curtis. If I Curtis.
45:49
Lost my mic. Give me a second here.
45:52
You're good, but, well, that's because the computer might go,
45:58
but I think it's a younger guy in some way, shape or form.
46:01
Now, do I want a guy like nobody's ever heard of?
46:08
No. I've at least got to know a
46:10
little bit about them. They got at least put a guy in
46:13
the league. So that's where I feel on that.
46:18
I won't talk to the defense about it all though, because to
46:20
me. If our.
46:23
Defense, our offense scored 29.8 points a game.
46:27
Y'all, if I told y'all we were going to score 30 points a game,
46:29
we tally would have sat here and said we're going to win nine
46:32
games, then we will win one extra game over my eight.
46:35
I think the defensive higher is more important because I think
46:39
the way Tyler Bone has proved, even with a below average
46:42
offensive line in the last few years, we can put up points at
46:47
times. So when I think that what do I
46:49
want, you know, I'm going to throw a name out.
46:53
Here throw a name. Lyle Hemphill, look up the name.
46:59
Get to your phone, look up the name.
47:02
Lyle Hemphill. He is currently the defensive
47:05
coordinator at JMU. Guess where he was in 23?
47:10
And y'all going to love this. He was Michael huh?
47:14
No, he was Mike Elko's DC and Duke.
47:18
Yeah. He was Mike Elko's DC Duke.
47:22
And if you. He was Co DC, either way, Co DC.
47:27
Before that, he coached the safeties of Duke with Mike Elko.
47:31
Before that, he was defensive coordinator 19 to 21.
47:34
For Clawson, 19 was a very good year, was in 19 to 21.
47:40
One of those was a very good season for Wake Forest.
47:43
He's 44 years old. He is from the Mid-Atlantic
47:47
area. If you take a look at him he he
47:51
played at Delaware so probably knows the footprint decent.
47:56
That's so that's that's that's a sneaky good name.
47:59
This is a. Fucking sneaky good name because
48:01
he's been ADC he's coached in. The I had never heard of that
48:04
name, but I'm looking it up now and then.
48:06
That's pretty good. That.
48:07
That's a sneaky good name. You go look at his picture on
48:11
like Wikipedia. He kind of looks crazy, a little
48:13
bit like standing. So, you know, I need him to be,
48:18
you know, a little crazy like that.
48:20
I'm all right with that. All right, so I will throw a
48:22
name. I will throw a name to
48:24
somewhere, probably on everybody's mind.
48:27
Everybody's probably at least thought of it.
48:29
Hey. That's loud right there.
48:32
That's loud, loud. I'm going to throw a name that
48:36
everybody's probably thought of at this point, and you probably
48:39
have strong feelings one way or another on it.
48:41
Anthony Poindexter. I'm not saying that's my pick,
48:49
but I'm saying I could be talked into that pic and I'll tell you
48:52
why. The reason I could be talked
48:54
into that pic is that if we're talking about bringing some
48:57
juice on the trail, Anthony Poindexter will bring some
49:01
fucking juice on the trail. Yeah, for real.
49:05
You're right by that. Yeah, I got.
49:10
The other piece and I didn't know that Sheldon, you probably
49:12
did, probably should have asked you and didn't realize
49:15
Poindexter had been a play called in DC at UConn back few
49:19
years ago. He's been strictly Co DC.
49:22
Yeah, he yeah, he did somebody, I can't remember who it was, if
49:25
I could. If you're out there listening
49:27
and I talk to you in one of the chats.
49:34
Great. Like he called play.
49:36
So he's been in that seat before.
49:38
He obviously hasn't been up since he's been back yet since
49:42
he's been back at Penn State, but I like that name personally.
49:49
You know, I, I think, I think the thing.
49:51
That would also. It would be going, it would it
49:54
would be 1/2 step back into the well from an experience
49:57
standpoint. But you cannot argue with the
50:01
recruiting side of things and being able to absolutely crush
50:06
the footprint. And I think, I think to me it's
50:11
a calculated risk that I'd be willing to take from an overall
50:15
experience standpoint relative to what we had with Chris Marv.
50:21
But it does not give you quite as much in game P5 experience as
50:27
Lyle Hemphill. So there we go.
50:33
Who's that? Who's next?
50:35
What's next? Well, I'm going to just say real
50:38
quick to Mr. Graham out here, Robert Salas getting a defensive
50:42
coordinator job in the NFL. It's not even a question.
50:45
He might actually, he might actually be back in San
50:48
Francisco by the end of the year.
50:50
And our the alumnus, Nick Sorenson, the former Hokie might
50:54
be getting fired too. So yeah, let's actually go down
50:58
and let's now y'all have anything else y'all want to talk
51:01
about coaching wise? I think we all agree if a few
51:04
coaches had to get fired, he fired the right bridge and, and
51:09
I will. And I said this to Dwight.
51:10
I was texting with Dwight the other night and I texted y'all
51:13
too. I think it proved a little bit
51:16
as as much as he's an inexperienced head coach tally
51:20
Brian Shelton, I think y'all can agree with this.
51:24
He did his first big boy move as a head coach.
51:27
He he fired his damn protege. You know how tough that is?
51:32
Yeah, yeah. He knows.
51:33
He known Chris Moore probably since he was like 19 and he
51:37
fired his ass. Now, what was Chris Marv?
51:40
He's got 2.5 million coming his way.
51:42
But you know. But what did you like?
51:46
What? Yeah.
51:47
Then only ask next two years. But anything else from the
51:50
staff? Do y'all do y'all think I know
51:53
Robbie put it in here. He thinks that he could see more
51:56
changes happening. Do y'all think we see more
51:58
changes happening? I I think there's still some
52:01
shuffling left to be done, whether that's PP taking a step
52:06
back because of who we bring in a coordinator, whether that's a
52:09
little bit of a shuffling on the offensive side, if there is
52:14
someone brought in to potentially coach quarterbacks
52:17
full time and be a COC or something of that effect.
52:21
I'm interested to see what's going to happen on that side of
52:23
the ball. I think I feel OK about
52:26
defensive side of the ball because I think the the steps
52:30
that can be taken there are pretty pretty straightforward
52:33
without really rocking the boat too much.
52:37
So I'm interested to see how that side of the ball shakes
52:39
out. But I definitely see at least
52:40
one or two of our current position coaches having some
52:44
other title at the start of spring ball.
52:51
All righty, since we don't let let's close the book on that.
52:54
Hopefully the next time we talk, which should be about 10 days
52:58
from now, we're talking about new coordinators.
53:01
We can complain about them then, but let's now let's flip over to
53:03
the portal. I'm going to go with the good
53:06
news before we get into all the departures and that was at the
53:10
press conference. Effectively both Pop Watson and
53:13
Kyron Jones are returning. So that tells me we do not need
53:19
to go get a quarterback. I think with what we saw, we
53:22
know Kyron, what he can be. If y'all didn't hear today, we
53:27
we've known for a little while now about these injuries.
53:31
Power was basically a damn mass unit all season, but we saw the
53:36
glimpses of pop. We're not going to quarterback
53:40
shopping this year in the portal.
53:41
And as much as somebody might want to see it, yeah.
53:46
Yeah, Well, y'all. Coward was in was pretty much
53:49
injured in a fairly significant way from Rutgers on SO.
53:55
Vanderbilt on. Really.
53:56
Vanderbilt on. But yeah, remember.
53:57
Remember, he got sacked and he got stepped on.
54:00
Yeah, but from AI, I'm thinking from a impacting his play
54:05
standpoint, absolutely looking at Rutgers on and you know
54:10
getting him back is big. Getting pop to stay in the fold
54:14
is big. It definitely gives you a solid
54:16
quarterback room heading into next season.
54:20
A a quarterback room I think you feel comfortable with even if
54:23
maybe Yep, still some question marks, right, Because Pop is
54:29
still young, hasn't played a ton of snaps.
54:32
Kyron's got some injuries to come back from may not get as
54:35
much run in spring as you would like, right.
54:39
So they're they're still going to be some question marks there.
54:41
But I think we're still talking about a quarterback situation
54:45
that is better heading into 2025 then I think we expected without
54:49
having to hit the transfer portal.
54:52
Tally. No, I agree.
54:57
We touched on it. Like I said, man, I mean, we
55:01
knew for a while, but Calm was hurt.
55:04
You know, there's no excuses in football, but Calm was hurt a
55:07
lot. He got a lot of the blame of
55:09
what happened to Virginia Tech this year.
55:11
And I mean, you could put some of the blame on the quarterback,
55:14
but Kia was hurt, man. He tried to give what he could
55:19
give when he was on the field. In my opinion, sometimes I feel
55:23
like he shouldn't have been on the field.
55:24
Like if I was the coach, he wouldn't have been on the field,
55:27
somebody else would have been. But I was glad to see him come
55:31
back, you know what I'm saying? I was glad to see him come back
55:34
and I hope he comes back and proves a lot of people wrong in
55:36
some of his play because I think we've seen what he could be.
55:42
And even if he is, you know, goes back to what he was last
55:46
year, that still would have gave us probably two more games, you
55:52
know, this year. So you just want to see the kids
55:56
healthy, man, see them compete. And it gives you competition
55:58
going into the spring, gives you a little bit of stability.
56:03
So you can go into the portal and say, hey, we do have this
56:06
because for a while it was looking like, what do we have?
56:09
You know what I'm saying? And that's a big, that's a big
56:13
thing to be able to go into the Porter and say, hey, we do have
56:16
two guys that we know are playmakers at the quarterback
56:19
position. We just need to put some people
56:21
around them so we can get to the next level.
56:24
And we know we got some young talent that that's stepping in
56:27
that I'm interested to see. That's why this bowl game, I
56:30
know we'll talk about it a little bit.
56:31
It'll be interesting to me. I still think we're going to get
56:34
our breaks beat off of us, but I'd like to see, you know, where
56:38
we're going. And and that's because of the
56:40
offensive line. But whatever the case is, I'm
56:43
glad to see both quarterbacks come back.
56:45
But again, mainly for me, man. And this ain't on the fan shit.
56:48
This ain't like me liking Karen as a person.
56:52
This is just me looking at it as a fan looking at football.
56:56
You got your starting quarterback coming back and then
56:59
you got the backup that came in and show some promise coming
57:03
back. Looks like he's put it together
57:05
and he's coming back. They both decided.
57:07
You don't see that in this transfer portal market that
57:10
often and you definitely have. We haven't seen it in Virginia
57:13
Tech. Like we didn't have a returning
57:17
quarterback for how many years? Like we kept changing and
57:20
changing and changing like no stability.
57:22
So, you know, I'm interested to see, see what we can, what we
57:26
put together. About you, Shelton.
57:28
Were you shot? Surprised, Happy.
57:31
Unhappy. A little surprised.
57:34
I mean, you know, I I didn't think they'd keep both of them,
57:37
especially, you know, they're due to get paid.
57:39
And I guess it was nice to see that, you know, pop wasn't the
57:42
type of player that's going to, you know, ask for some giant bag
57:45
and then dip like, you know, Moe's did.
57:48
I just you know, it's it's you're good to see, you know, it
57:51
seems like he's a he's a team. Maybe I shouldn't have said that
57:53
out loud. I don't know whatever I mean, I
57:57
think, I think. I think we, I think most people
57:59
knew that. People go now, you know they.
58:00
Don't know the number, but they knew the circumstance.
58:02
They knew circumstance, yeah. Yeah, well, he's gone anyways.
58:05
I don't care, but it does seem like they're both Kyron and Pop
58:10
are both very much, you know, team first players.
58:13
You know, they're not going to, you know, cry about it.
58:15
They're not going to quit. They're just going to keep, you
58:17
know, grinding. So it's good that both of them
58:18
back. And, you know, competition
58:20
brings out the best in people. So, you know, I think I, I've
58:22
heard some people say like, you know, if you have two
58:24
quarterbacks enough one like, well, we don't even know if we
58:25
have 1. So I think, you know, just
58:28
compete and and that'll make you better and hold, hold, hold
58:30
yourself accountable. And you know, Pop is a pretty
58:32
good insurance policy as well. 100% All right.
58:35
I don't know where Charlie went. Charlie, you still there?
58:38
Where the hell did you go? He ran away.
58:41
He ran away. It's all right.
58:43
We'll we'll bring it all back together.
58:45
Obviously, if y'all haven't, check out Colby Crawford 247
58:48
keeping up with the list. This is so much the list is so
58:53
much bigger than last year. The FCS guys, G5 guys we're
58:59
starting to see now more P5 got P4 guys.
59:03
Is it ever going to not be the P4?
59:06
But as much as we know guys are out there, obviously Koval
59:10
coming in, obviously a lot of visits and stuff, we got to talk
59:12
about who left. So I want to start with whoever
59:16
wants to start. What's the one hurt you the
59:20
most? When Chaplin ain't not fucking,
59:23
it's not even fucking close. Chaplin.
59:26
OK. Just main sharing by us and have
59:29
anything now that I say that We know Chaplin has committed to
59:34
Auburn and I know Shelton and Tally were talking about how
59:38
unlucky Auburn was this year. Correct.
59:41
Were you? Shocked that he went there
59:44
first. I was over Ole Miss, South
59:48
Carolina. Who were the two projected front
59:51
runners? Who were teams that close to the
59:53
playoffs? Tally says he was.
59:56
Yeah, I definitely was. I was.
59:58
I was, I mean. Being here and, and seeing kind
1:00:02
of, you know, what Auburn is, I mean, I've always kind of kept
1:00:06
up with Auburn from being from here, you know, usually like
1:00:10
more Auburn players so and their traditions and things like that.
1:00:14
But I just didn't, I never seen him like being a Auburn guy.
1:00:18
That just kind of threw me for a loop.
1:00:20
I didn't hear the name, his name associated with them, you know,
1:00:25
talking to some of the, the Auburn fans and, and you know,
1:00:28
like you said, I was looking at some of the teams that I thought
1:00:31
like he, what we had heard he had offers from and things like
1:00:34
that. So Auburn never like was on the
1:00:37
radar at all to me. But when they're like, hey, he
1:00:41
committed to Auburn, I was like, why #1 like that was the first
1:00:45
thing. But then when I look at it, I'm
1:00:47
like, it's kind of what Robbie said, like Freeze was at
1:00:50
Liberty. Freeze knows how to, he knows
1:00:52
how to recruit, he knows how to get what he wants.
1:00:55
So, and it's probably a good situation with Chaplain
1:00:58
monetarily, you know what I'm saying?
1:01:00
Like he's getting what he wants. So I wish him the best.
1:01:03
But it was definitely a hard pill to swallow that he left and
1:01:06
then for him to go to Armand, 'cause I'm like, they're not
1:01:08
even going to a bowl game and you went there.
1:01:10
So sometimes it's about money, man, you know what I'm saying?
1:01:14
Sometimes it's about money. Sheldon.
1:01:18
Yeah, Chaplin was the one guy, you know, maybe would sit and
1:01:23
and think throw him in there as well that I really, really do
1:01:26
not want to lose. Like I was on defcon one if we
1:01:27
lost him and we did and you know, maybe it's not the end of
1:01:30
the world, but it's just hard to constantly replace, you know,
1:01:33
quality starting O lineman. And again, like you talked about
1:01:37
tonight, like the staff just hasn't done a good enough job
1:01:39
recruiting in that room and I think it's going to really hurt
1:01:42
them next year. So can't really spend that one
1:01:45
man stuff. Yeah, when, when you've
1:01:49
identified your offensive line coach and your offensive line as
1:01:53
a as a unit, as an area, you said you need to upgrade and you
1:01:58
lose probably the best 2 pieces that are returning on that unit.
1:02:03
And we'll talk about the other one here shortly.
1:02:08
That stings, right? And I'm not saying there's not a
1:02:13
price that I wouldn't be willing to to throw out there, but it
1:02:18
would it would have probably been at least a little closer to
1:02:22
what the whispers were. And I'm thankfully, you know,
1:02:25
after June there won't be question.
1:02:27
Marks of what's not thrown. Anymore, there will be, there
1:02:31
will be certitude of what what's being thrown, not just these
1:02:34
whispers and rumors and hearsays and second hands and all that
1:02:39
bullshit. But I would have personally been
1:02:43
OK with with matching what I have heard was the official
1:02:47
offer, not the shit that got peddled on the board's offer.
1:02:51
So that's where I am. I'll say with this, with Xavier,
1:02:58
I think, you know, because there were things flying about the
1:03:03
coaches and wanted to step up and OK all that, whatever.
1:03:09
What I always get more pissed off.
1:03:11
Maybe shouldn't because it's these guys with their
1:03:14
livelihoods. If something, if something
1:03:16
happens weird in spring and he shatters his leg into a billion
1:03:20
pieces, Xavier Chaplin for the rest of his life is probably
1:03:24
set. With what happened going to
1:03:26
Auburn, he's probably set. But it always kind of hurts to
1:03:31
say. Like if he went to South
1:03:33
Carolina, a lot of people would have been pissed off.
1:03:34
Shane stole him from us. It's like, no, so Nora Sellers
1:03:37
is a good fucking quarterback. They got a good team returning
1:03:40
next year and now they're getting this left tackle piece
1:03:44
who's really good or Ole Miss, even though Jackson darts not
1:03:48
returning. We know Lane Kiffin can coach
1:03:49
offense. He's going to put that together
1:03:52
and it's like the missing piece with those who would have been
1:03:54
like, OK, he's going to be the guy that puts them over and
1:03:56
that's why they paid so much for him.
1:03:59
It's going to Auburn and you just know it's literally it was
1:04:03
the highest price. He probably walked in.
1:04:06
This is what they want to give me.
1:04:08
If you give me X amount of dollars more, I'll commit here
1:04:10
today. But again, it's his livelihood.
1:04:14
We we talked about Mansoor, we all felt could have went last
1:04:18
year shocking to go to LSU versus going pro.
1:04:22
I am in the opinion my opinion, if Mansoor has a slightly bad
1:04:27
seasons, he's not getting drafted.
1:04:28
Where right now, if he committed to go to the draft somewhere
1:04:31
between 3:00 and 6:00, he goes down there and screws up, he
1:04:35
ain't getting drafted. He's betting on himself, which
1:04:40
I'm fine with. Yeah, I'm this one hurt a little
1:04:45
less. And the main thing is because I
1:04:48
expected him to be gone in some way, shape or form at the end of
1:04:51
the season anyway, so the end result didn't change.
1:04:59
I'm a little surprised and maybe a little frustrated by how we,
1:05:04
how the in in game got there. But you know, I, I, I expected
1:05:08
him to probably be gone at the end of this season anyway, So
1:05:12
that one stings a little bit less from my perspective.
1:05:17
I know we had, you know, we had kind of talked about probably
1:05:19
the this year we're going to need to replace 2 cornerbacks.
1:05:22
Like we, we were talking about that before the season started.
1:05:24
We. Were.
1:05:25
Right. So and that's why something like
1:05:28
getting drones and pop back is big because we kind of thought
1:05:33
whether drones goes, you know, makes makes a bigger jump or
1:05:36
whether he returns to Virginia Tech, We thought we were going
1:05:40
to either lose him and Pop was going to be the guy or pop was
1:05:44
going to go because drones is back for not for for another
1:05:47
year. So in that in that room, it
1:05:48
feels like a bonus in this room, it just kind of feels like this
1:05:52
was expected anyway. So it is what it is.
1:05:57
Yeah, Also, Monsoor is going to make way more money at LSU than
1:06:02
you would in the NFL with that rookie contract system.
1:06:05
So we're all so we can all remind ourselves of where
1:06:08
college athletics is currently. Yes, but also what Brian said
1:06:12
too. And this is when it when that
1:06:15
shit hits the fan. Tally me.
1:06:17
I've been talking to you about it a little bit and all y'all,
1:06:20
when that hits the fan in June, and I'll start with the guy at
1:06:23
work and you start knowing how much these kids are getting
1:06:26
paid. Some of these kids aren't going
1:06:29
to be able to leave. They aren't going to go to
1:06:30
class, They're not going to be able to leave their dorm just so
1:06:33
they're going to go to practice. They'll go to the game and
1:06:34
they're going to go back home. Because if they stink and you
1:06:38
got a $2,000,000 tag next to your name, people are now going
1:06:42
to know. People are going to know.
1:06:46
We paid this bump $2,000,000 and he's a piece of trash.
1:06:50
They was talking. They was talking about him
1:06:51
before they know how much money though.
1:06:53
Oh, it's. Going to be worse now though.
1:06:54
Talent, it's going to be the same.
1:06:56
They're going, oh, they're. Going to be worse.
1:06:57
Well, they'll they'll know what percentage of the NIL has gone
1:07:01
towards this player instead of just having whispers and
1:07:04
hearsays and second hands. Yeah, I got to remember though,
1:07:09
people get a lot more brave when they get behind them computers,
1:07:11
when you say they won't be able to go nowhere.
1:07:13
You talk about a football player going to get something to eat.
1:07:16
You don't understand in the way of a big man going to eat.
1:07:18
They probably they probably will leave them alone because I kept
1:07:22
telling people like again, like love it, hate it, I don't care.
1:07:29
People used to give Billy Ray all kind of shit and I was like,
1:07:32
y'all do know that's a big motherfucker, right?
1:07:36
I mean, what y'all do all that typing and talking and stuff
1:07:40
saying you saying to their face, it's a little bit different.
1:07:42
Not saying nobody will, but I'm just saying I don't think that
1:07:45
that is going to be. So there's a lot of people that
1:07:48
talk shit behind their keyboard. It wouldn't say not.
1:07:50
A damn right, not a damn right real quick.
1:07:53
All I mean, Mansour gone to LSU, Xavier Allen, Gunner Gibbons
1:07:58
committed to Vanderbilt today. Of all the other guys, I know
1:08:02
Brian mentioned Braylon Moore. So a little bit of all the other
1:08:05
guys, who's your one that you were kind of shocked to see
1:08:08
going into the portal? Now with Braylon Moore, besides
1:08:13
like besides chaplain, I was like he leaving, you know, I
1:08:18
just not that I didn't think he could.
1:08:20
I was just like I, I just, I didn't think that was happening.
1:08:25
Then when I seen predictions to LSU, I'm like, is he going to go
1:08:29
to LSU and start? That's what I want to know.
1:08:33
He is not committed. Yet, right.
1:08:35
But I just said, like I said, prediction.
1:08:36
So I don't know, man. I don't know.
1:08:39
It's not that nothing really surprises me anymore.
1:08:42
It just kind of sometimes you got some head scratches.
1:08:44
But in this climate that we're in in college football, like,
1:08:48
nothing surprises me with the transport portal.
1:08:52
Yeah. I mean, it's frustrating
1:08:53
thinking that, all right, So our offensive line isn't great, but
1:08:58
the two most important positions on it we feel pretty solid
1:09:01
about, right? And then both of those guys are
1:09:03
in the portal ones already committed somewhere else.
1:09:05
Yeah, I was actually looking up to next year, like, man, I think
1:09:08
we're going to be, you know, in a little bit better position
1:09:11
next year with some of the pieces that we got.
1:09:15
You know, because I feel like once we move this person and
1:09:17
this person and you give this person more time, the offensive
1:09:20
line has more time to be cohesive and we get this piece
1:09:25
back. And you know, I think that this
1:09:27
receiver and this receiver was going to be a little bit more
1:09:29
dynamic because this guy was hurt.
1:09:31
And then boom, first day you get hit with the two pieces that you
1:09:35
don't need to leave the offensive line are freaking
1:09:38
gone. And then in our mind, I'm
1:09:41
already, I already got the mentality of Ron Crook taking 7
1:09:45
lineman in two cycles or whatever the case may be.
1:09:48
It's like we ain't going to get nobody else.
1:09:50
Like what are we going to do? So I have been disengaged with.
1:09:55
It's it's it's frustrating because like you said, Tally,
1:09:59
like you look at, you know, Chaplin locked in more locked
1:10:02
in. You know, you feel like Garrett
1:10:05
with another year of season could be an up an upgrade from
1:10:08
Parker, right? At least we thought we talked
1:10:10
about he might even be an upgrade this year from Parker.
1:10:13
You get, you know, Meadows, you get Cunningham, you get Ganem,
1:10:18
another year of seasoning for that interior.
1:10:21
You're like, maybe we start making a little bit of, of
1:10:26
movement here and then you lose your, your top 2 on the line and
1:10:29
now you're like, we got to scramble a little bit.
1:10:32
And you still, I think you still feel OK about those other guys.
1:10:36
And then you still got how, how Schick still has another year of
1:10:39
eligibility. I don't fucking know, but he
1:10:41
does. You got those?
1:10:43
Guys, I think Schick is my age. He's got to be my age.
1:10:46
He's he's approaching it. So you got those guys coming
1:10:48
back you so you still feel about as good as you did about those
1:10:52
other spots. But now your two most important
1:10:53
spots, you got a backfill some ways.
1:10:56
So there's a, there's a trickle down of now you, you went from
1:10:59
having six baby, seven guys you feel pretty good about to now
1:11:03
having maybe five guys. And they don't, they don't fit
1:11:07
into the two positions that are the most important.
1:11:10
Sheldon, anybody else on here it shocked you and.
1:11:16
I. Don't know about shocked.
1:11:17
I mean, I was surprised Moses left just especially because
1:11:20
it's kind of for dumb reasons as we've discussed.
1:11:22
But I don't know, I mean, seems like they've kind of kind of
1:11:25
backfield that spot. So I don't know.
1:11:28
I mean, you get rid of a few walk ONS, you know, there's
1:11:30
probably some scholarship guys you'd like to, you know, keep
1:11:32
around. But for the most part, I think
1:11:33
it's kind of just a standard, you know, roster shuffle, you
1:11:36
know, getting outside the two, the two lineman.
1:11:38
So, you know, not not too worried about it.
1:11:41
I think it's more so the concern is like, you know, just bringing
1:11:44
more guys in and, and you reckon do it until you, you know, start
1:11:47
filling out the staff again. So kind of a kind of a wait and
1:11:49
see to everything. You got a, you got a backfield,
1:11:52
there's a lot of moving parts and you know, even once those
1:11:54
coaches come on, there's probably still going to be some
1:11:56
more, you know, slight shuffles there.
1:11:58
So it's going to be interesting to see what we do here.
1:12:01
And I, I think that's why sometimes I, I hate having
1:12:04
these, these portal discussions because it's, it's such an
1:12:09
incomplete piece until everything kind of wraps up.
1:12:14
It's also they need to change the frame of when it's done.
1:12:18
This is the worst, yeah. And, and I, I get, I get why
1:12:22
they do it because of the start of the spring semester.
1:12:25
So there's like there's a tighter window.
1:12:29
Yeah, in a perfect world, we back the season up a little bit.
1:12:32
We'd finish everything by the 1st of January, and then we can
1:12:37
actually have some, some fucking time to, yeah, everyone can
1:12:41
explore their options before the start of spring semester.
1:12:44
But that's not happening I think.
1:12:46
At least on the short term. I think well the, the season's
1:12:49
going January 20th this year. I couldn't tell you.
1:12:52
All schools are different with their time frames.
1:12:54
I think it starts January 2nd next year.
1:12:57
I think there's an 18 day portal window from the end or the the
1:13:02
the four games on New Year's Eve, New Year's Day and then to
1:13:05
like the Sunday of the national championship.
1:13:08
I don't think they're going, I don't think they're going to
1:13:10
change until they back the season up at least a week.
1:13:12
Dang they're the back season up a week though.
1:13:14
That's the issue. They're not going to be the
1:13:16
back. You're already playing games on
1:13:17
week zero. Everybody just fucking start on
1:13:19
week zero. What?
1:13:21
Happened. It ain't gonna happen.
1:13:23
I'm just saying you're already playing.
1:13:25
You're already playing a prime time game on week zero.
1:13:27
Just back the bitch up a week. It ain't gonna happen.
1:13:30
It just ain't gonna happen because ESPN controls it all and
1:13:33
they stupid. Let's roll on.
1:13:37
I wanted to just hit the WID interview real quick.
1:13:40
I know for me, I wasn't shocked but pleasantly surprised at the
1:13:45
number. That will roughly be what, 17
1:13:48
and a half million with the revenue sharing for football,
1:13:53
for football next year, 20 1/2 total.
1:13:57
Anything else from that interview that stood out for
1:13:59
y'all? Just that number, because it's
1:14:01
like, wow, it's a ton of revenue sharing numbers that obviously
1:14:05
with the way State of Virginia set up, you can pay the players
1:14:09
right there without any blinking, nothing else.
1:14:17
You know, I think, I think the the interview was interesting.
1:14:21
I think it covered a topic that I think not a lot of people had
1:14:25
really dove into about how it specifically was going to impact
1:14:31
Virginia Tech. So I think it was something that
1:14:33
was really important to discuss about not only here's what's
1:14:38
happening, but here's our at least short term strategy to
1:14:43
meet that ask, meet that challenge.
1:14:49
At the same time, I think there's still some things that
1:14:53
we we're going to need to to adapt to and do better
1:14:58
throughout this process. I know there's going to need to
1:15:00
be reallocation of probably some priorities, both with long term
1:15:11
financial compensation for coaches probably across the
1:15:15
board as well as you know, capital investments in athletic
1:15:19
facilities are going to need to be on a as needed basis instead
1:15:25
of a as requested and, and, and, and desired basis.
1:15:32
Unfortunately, I think that you're probably some of this is
1:15:36
going to affect the basketball team even more as it has in the
1:15:41
short term. I think it's going to be a long
1:15:42
term impact on the basketball team as well, unfortunately.
1:15:45
So we'll see how that shakes out.
1:15:48
Anybody else on which Cal City had none shelved in anything?
1:15:54
Good chance to kind of get wit out there in public and you
1:15:57
know, speak to the fan base a little bit, kind of, you know,
1:15:59
calms and tempers. I mean, he's not the, you know,
1:16:02
not the best public speaker. So having him kind of a
1:16:04
controlled environment where he can kind of lay out the
1:16:06
groundwork for what Vt is doing to be proactive and and IELTS
1:16:08
basis. I think it's pretty good.
1:16:09
So and it sounds like the universe has kind of been very
1:16:12
forward thinking. So I think there's some some
1:16:15
things to be positive about. You know, as always, there's
1:16:17
going to be, you know what, an arms race.
1:16:20
And you know, tech doesn't have the biggest coffers, but they,
1:16:23
you know, they're certainly trying.
1:16:24
So gotta be excited about that at least. 100% on that all right
1:16:29
let's flip it as y'all know we are brought to you by accounts
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S Main St. Let's talk about the class 2025.
1:16:39
We're not going to get too in depth and talk about all the
1:16:41
players and everything. First of all, 11 of the 19 will
1:16:46
be on campus for spring, which is really freaking good.
1:16:52
Big story of that day was the Jamari Deloach flip.
1:16:58
Flip at 7:00 AM on signing day becomes the second highest guy
1:17:04
in the class, a top ten player in the state.
1:17:09
Did it make you feel good at least?
1:17:11
Like you sitting here and it's like you think the class is all
1:17:13
made out and then all of a sudden, oh, we got to flip.
1:17:16
My first thought was it's probably like the 26th ranked
1:17:19
player that going to JMU and then no it's not.
1:17:23
It's actually someone pretty elite.
1:17:26
Right, and in a position that we need players.
1:17:30
So definitely was a a pleasant surprise because I didn't see
1:17:35
that coming and I was I was happy about that.
1:17:37
So loved it, loved one. I mean, I guess even through the
1:17:43
Fuente era, it was just like, I love what they do for signing
1:17:47
day now prior and company. Like that's just fun to watch.
1:17:51
The whole production is good. I know people bitch about it.
1:17:54
That's just because that's what they want to do.
1:17:55
But the production is good. You know, the the interviews
1:17:59
with the families and stuff like that, That's just entertainment.
1:18:02
Besides how you feel about where football's at, like that's
1:18:05
entertainment. So just watching that, man, it
1:18:08
was cool. And besides that, it's just
1:18:12
like, OK, you kind of know who's going to be there.
1:18:15
You want to see what they're going to say, but you know it.
1:18:17
And it's been like that for years.
1:18:18
Like I said, even when Fuente was here.
1:18:20
But to have or if something somebody was going to flip, they
1:18:24
were flipping away from us. But to have something, you know,
1:18:28
good positive happen, it's like the cherry on top.
1:18:32
So I was excited about it. Yeah, it was nice to see us.
1:18:37
You know, other than the the early flip, which I think a lot
1:18:41
of us knew is, you know, once he got offered that offer, he was
1:18:43
going to take it. You know, the the staff really
1:18:48
holding this class together despite a lot of adversity from
1:18:51
for the team throughout the 24 season, you know, including,
1:18:57
yeah, I think some may or may not have known at the time, but
1:19:00
the, you know, the the coach is being shown the door.
1:19:05
Holding that class together was really important, especially
1:19:07
getting to flip there at the end with Jamari Deloach that I mean,
1:19:10
I think, you know, this class is, you know, composite about
1:19:17
kind of where we've been. But as far as average recruit
1:19:19
rank, pretty, pretty solid, you know, top 30 in, in the average
1:19:25
recruit rank, so almost 10 spots higher than the composite rank
1:19:29
there. So it's, it's, it's going to be
1:19:32
interesting to see what, you know, what we can do with that.
1:19:39
But I'm excited about this group.
1:19:40
I think it's a, it's a good, it's a deep group, even if it's
1:19:43
not a ton of, you know, super top in, you know, folks in the
1:19:48
class. Anything on this show and we
1:19:50
know, I know you do not follow recruiting as close as you once
1:19:53
did. There no.
1:19:55
For the sake of my mental health, I do not.
1:19:57
And half of these guys, half of these guys are going to transfer
1:20:01
out, you know, some are going to get, you know, injured.
1:20:03
Some of them don't perform well. Like, I mean, you just you just
1:20:05
don't even know. Like so it's true, but it does
1:20:08
seem like it's kind of in line historically with, you know,
1:20:09
kind of where V TS at from a average recruit ranking
1:20:12
perspective. So if you bring them in, develop
1:20:15
them, retain them, hopefully you can kind of do something good
1:20:17
with it. So seems like a pretty good
1:20:18
class. Right, so Sheldon, if you want
1:20:20
to go off camera and eat that yummy food you were talking
1:20:23
about for the next 5 to 6 minutes, feel free to so we
1:20:26
don't have to ask you any more questions, but I will ask Brian
1:20:30
and tally this and I'll show me with my own.
1:20:33
Who is y'all's favorite recruiter of this class?
1:20:40
Tally, I'll I'll let you go, but.
1:20:43
You don't let me go. I mean, the obvious speak is
1:20:45
going to be Jeffrey Overton junior for me, because for for
1:20:50
Virginia Tech purposes, you know what I'm saying?
1:20:52
Like looking at a running back like that and being able to
1:20:55
recruit one out of high school, We haven't done that well
1:21:00
lately. I know some people got excited
1:21:02
because he got the big bump towards the end, but he was he's
1:21:05
been that the whole year. So I mean, he is an explosive
1:21:08
running back and I feel like he is the kind of playmaker that we
1:21:13
need at running back. So definitely was excited about
1:21:15
him, but just for selfish purposes, probably my favorite
1:21:19
recruit would be Michael Matthews just because he's a A2
1:21:24
sport guy. He plays baseball.
1:21:26
So me and my son have kind of talked about him and watched him
1:21:29
and I've watched his progression and not just watched him in
1:21:31
football but watched his his PBR stuff in baseball as well.
1:21:36
There's some videos out there about how he how he prepares for
1:21:41
games and and turn baseball tournaments and stuff.
1:21:43
So this is that that's, you know, pretty exciting to me.
1:21:46
So I would probably say just selfish, selfish purposes wise,
1:21:51
probably Michael Matthews. That's you, Siegel.
1:21:56
You know, I like, I like Overton as well, but to be a little
1:22:00
different. I'm going to go with a little
1:22:02
little Halifax season in here. I'm going to go with with AJ
1:22:06
Brand at Irmo SC Pops played at Curtis and Mize High School is
1:22:14
in the Halifax County Sports Hall of Fame.
1:22:17
Emery Henry Hall of Fame. Emery Henry, Hall of Fame, he's
1:22:20
a, he's a Odak legend. So, you know, coming from that
1:22:25
pedigree, playing the the level of talent that he's playing down
1:22:28
there there in Irmo SC in Columbia, that's a that's a big
1:22:34
deal. Took it wire to wire the state
1:22:37
championship lost by, you know, on a on a late field goal there
1:22:41
at the end. So that that was a tough one to
1:22:44
swallow there. But I mean, that's that's a guy
1:22:46
that, you know, did it at the highest level down there in his
1:22:49
state and is, you know, coming to Virginia Tech to improve on
1:22:51
that. Yep, and he was the Gatorade
1:22:56
player of the year down there as well.
1:22:57
A JS for real held in for real as well.
1:23:01
I think bringing 2IN was very smart, but I'm going to go for
1:23:03
another 2 for here and I think it's probably more exciting
1:23:07
because of what they are and it's Brett Clatterbaugh.
1:23:13
Oh yeah. Yeah, up.
1:23:14
In up in Culpepper and then Noah Chambers up at the map though,
1:23:18
yeah, they're both 6 foot one. Noah for me.
1:23:21
Noah for me, but but both of them are linebackers.
1:23:26
They are linebackers. There's 61622 fifteen 225
1:23:31
already coming out. They play the positions and
1:23:34
we've been, we've been saying we need linebackers.
1:23:37
Yep. Finally got Woodson in.
1:23:40
We saw what happened. I.
1:23:41
Converted safeties we need not. Converted safeties, right,
1:23:44
linebackers. So seeing those two guys and
1:23:46
then seeing how high those two guys are rated because both of
1:23:49
those guys and people can talk about linebackers.
1:23:52
I consider linebackers 3. So if you're getting a top 150
1:23:57
linebacker, you are getting a legitimate D1 line, right?
1:24:02
Platter ball is 68, Chambers is 89.
1:24:05
Yeah. They are both legitimate
1:24:08
linebackers in this class because you got middle, weak
1:24:12
side, strong side, they're linebackers.
1:24:15
So I love that. All right, now I'm going to ask
1:24:19
this because we we've we've mentioned our favorites and why.
1:24:24
So who has to hit? You look at this list and say if
1:24:27
that MF for hits right there, it's good things.
1:24:32
Mine was, I mean, to take what you said, no, no, no.
1:24:35
To take what you said, mine would be clatterball.
1:24:38
Like just looking at it and looking at what the staffer is.
1:24:43
Brett Pryor is a defensive guy, you know, work with linebackers.
1:24:48
And then you talk about Marv when he was in there being a
1:24:51
linebacker guy and defensive coordinator and we could not get
1:24:55
linebackers. You know what I'm saying?
1:24:57
We miss on these true linebackers for the last couple
1:25:02
of years and you're just waiting to get somebody like a
1:25:07
Clatterball, honestly, like if Clatterball can just give me
1:25:13
some deck, some some Dax Holyfield type performances.
1:25:17
He'll write his ticket at Virginia Tech from now on.
1:25:20
He don't even have to be great. He just got to get a bloody nose
1:25:23
and put a Band-Aid over it, like make a couple tackles, you know,
1:25:27
fill a gap. You know what I'm saying?
1:25:29
Like, but I, I really think like if if we can hit on one of those
1:25:33
linebackers like you said, But I think it's mainly mainly mainly
1:25:40
clatterball to me for what he is, what he looks like.
1:25:44
He looks like a Virginia Tech guy.
1:25:47
You know what I'm saying? He looks like what Hokey Nation
1:25:50
would get behind for him to be a great linebacker, middle
1:25:56
linebacker. For obvious purposes of what we
1:26:03
really need right now, I'm hoping that Carter Stallard is,
1:26:08
is somebody that we can rely on on the offensive line.
1:26:13
I mean, you can make the same case for Nathaniel Wright as
1:26:15
well. You know, they're both kind of
1:26:17
position wise about the kind of at the same level, you know,
1:26:24
from a position standpoint. I just think we we got to start
1:26:28
hitting on some of these offensive lineman and they were
1:26:31
probably talking about a cycle or two before they're going to
1:26:34
see any sort of significant playing time.
1:26:36
Just that that's the way offensive line works.
1:26:38
You're not going to get a a ton of true freshman.
1:26:43
You're getting significant snaps in games, but I I need those two
1:26:48
guys to have been hits and good evaluations by this staff
1:26:52
because we're going to need them in the near future all.
1:26:56
Right. I'm going to give you all mine
1:26:58
now, and it's because I think it's the disrespect he was
1:27:02
given. It's Christian Evans, a man won
1:27:07
the defensive player at the UA camp back in the summer.
1:27:11
He didn't get bumps. He didn't get more looks.
1:27:15
I think he can hit he's Six 2 1/2.
1:27:17
He's coming in at about two 75285 probably can grow into the
1:27:21
two 95300 range and I think it's more if you hit on him, it's
1:27:25
that chip because I think if he gets the opportunity, I think
1:27:28
everyday somebody like JC prices, remember you beat all
1:27:33
those five stars asses in those drills.
1:27:36
They didn't give you love. He's going to come in with a
1:27:39
chip and I think if he hits, it's I think chess.
1:27:42
Virginia Tech type player right goes out, whoops, everybody's
1:27:45
ass at the practice. Don't get the respect.
1:27:48
Oh, he's going Virginia Tech Don't don't don't give him the
1:27:50
four-star. Don't bump him any higher.
1:27:54
Christian Evans is not let's go off that and the bowl season so
1:28:02
fucked up, y'all, and I'm being very honest with this.
1:28:06
I didn't do any research. We're going to Charlotte, which
1:28:09
means a lot of people are going to get to go.
1:28:11
Mayo Mayo baby. Mayo Bowl Brent Prime might get
1:28:16
dumped mayonnaise on his head, which would be hilarious.
1:28:21
Minnesota has nine guys in the portals and six guys already
1:28:24
opted out, including I believe they're starting left tackle who
1:28:27
went to Ohio State. So we ain't the only one losing
1:28:30
it to thank you. Lord.
1:28:32
Yeah, but I mean, is there anything Shelton?
1:28:36
I mean, I mean, I watch some of their games, their physical
1:28:39
football team, they like to push it down field, but it's so tough
1:28:44
because you don't know who's playing.
1:28:46
Yeah, I don't even know who's on the team.
1:28:48
If their whole team was there. I'm not.
1:28:50
Watching. One, I've not watched one game
1:28:53
with Minnesota, not no disrespect to them, I just
1:28:57
they're not a team that I've paid attention to this hey.
1:28:59
Where's Jason? He's watched at least 2.
1:29:02
Yeah. Why are you playing Princeton
1:29:05
about your own? Yeah, I don't know, man.
1:29:07
So it'll be interesting though. It'll be interesting to see.
1:29:11
It is someone we've ever. Played.
1:29:12
I just do not need us to go and do what we did against Maryland
1:29:16
a couple of years ago. Please God, I can't take that.
1:29:20
I, I, I think the, the rosters are a little bit more comparable
1:29:24
in terms of losses than it was in that Maryland matchup.
1:29:29
Now, I think offensive line is going to be such a question mark
1:29:33
because I think the guys that we're going to plug in have some
1:29:37
potential, but they don't have the, the, the experience,
1:29:40
experience and reps to really feel like you can lean on them.
1:29:44
I think Garrett's going to be fine.
1:29:47
Not going to be. Fine at, at, at, at left tackle.
1:29:50
Brody's going to be fine. You might see Ganem.
1:29:53
I'm most worried about centre. So if, if, if, if Centre is at
1:29:58
least solid, then I think we've got a decent chance of of being
1:30:02
competitive. If.
1:30:03
If it's not, then all bets are off.
1:30:08
Shelton, anything on them? Nope, nothing.
1:30:12
I mean, it's, it's it, it here's the upside.
1:30:16
It's going to be on Friday night after the new year.
1:30:18
So we all will be off work, right?
1:30:22
And that's the one upside. I think Robbie's going to go
1:30:26
down because his wife's grandfather can put it up there,
1:30:30
went to Minnesota and as a Hall of Famer.
1:30:32
So it might be tents in his house.
1:30:35
I mean, if somebody offered me a ticket, maybe.
1:30:39
I know prices like people like $145.00 and it's like no.
1:30:45
I know I get this point, but I mean so they die for real for
1:30:49
real. Yeah, but we don't know.
1:30:53
We don't know what they have left.
1:30:54
We don't know what's there. So like, I think now what bowl
1:30:58
season is get your drink, get your snacks and just enjoy
1:31:03
watching football because it's cold outside.
1:31:05
You can't do anything. Me and Brian, we, we, we buried,
1:31:10
I went to Kings Dominion Saturday.
1:31:11
I think Brian went to Busch Gardens Saturday.
1:31:13
It was cold. I was out there for five hours.
1:31:16
I was cold at the end of the day.
1:31:17
So just stay inside, watch football, drink very good food.
1:31:23
Yeah, I'm alright with that. Exactly first, but this is the
1:31:28
first meeting of these two programs, and both have been
1:31:32
playing football since the 1890s.
1:31:35
Hey, fuck a Gopher. Go Hokies.
1:31:38
Fuck that little bastard something.
1:31:40
But now, as always, even though we do not have a musical melody
1:31:44
this week, because the man wanted to take some time off and
1:31:47
it was fine. He done 12/13 for us.
1:31:51
We are going to pick the first four playoff games because A, it
1:31:56
happens this Friday. It's some intriguing matchups
1:31:59
all across. It's basically going to be on
1:32:01
your TV Friday night, all day Saturday at the home fields.
1:32:05
The ticket prices are ranging. Notre Dame's going like 475 a
1:32:11
ticket, Penn State as cheap as 60.
1:32:14
And people like this is stupid. Why is Penn State going so
1:32:16
cheap? And I think I've heard most of
1:32:18
people say, do you know where State College, PA is?
1:32:21
You think Blacksburg is tough to get to?
1:32:24
Yeah, at least an Interstate runs a few miles away from
1:32:29
Blacksburg, so we are going to make picks here.
1:32:34
We'll go in Order of the Game Friday night.
1:32:36
We are picking against the spread everybody you see on the
1:32:39
screen here, along with our contributing rider, Miranda and
1:32:43
our music man, Jason. So where are we starting?
1:32:46
Brian Siegler. We are starting at South Bend,
1:32:49
buddy. And this, this, you know, we,
1:32:53
when we talked about the the potential good matchups, you
1:32:57
know, this, this was I think when we mentioned because we
1:32:59
wanted to see Notre Dame get a home game.
1:33:03
We want to see Penn State get a home game just to create some
1:33:05
intriguing December matchups. We got it, It's here.
1:33:12
I think this is going to be closer than what Vegas has.
1:33:14
They've got a 7 1/2 spread there with Notre Dame favorite.
1:33:20
I think it's going to be a little less than a touchdown.
1:33:22
I think I think the Hoosiers are going to come to play a little
1:33:24
bit. So I'm going to take the
1:33:28
Hoosiers here. I think it's still going to be a
1:33:30
Notre Dame victory, but it's not going to be over a touchdown.
1:33:35
All right. I'm opposite Joe on this.
1:33:37
I think it's going to be an entertaining game.
1:33:39
But I think what we saw with Indiana against Ohio State, you
1:33:46
saw when it went, when they got out talented, it just didn't
1:33:51
work. Now saying that I'm taking Notre
1:33:54
Dame, I'll lay the seven and a half.
1:33:55
I think it's about a 10 point game somewhere, 3121.
1:33:59
I think it's entertaining on Friday night.
1:34:02
But I think for Indiana and I think we're going to see this
1:34:05
weekend across the spectrum, what do the underdogs do to win
1:34:11
these games? I always go back to Oklahoma,
1:34:14
Boise State 18 years ago and what they did, Hail Mary or
1:34:18
excuse me, Statue of Liberty, shovel pass, all that hook and
1:34:23
ladder, all that crazy shit for Indiana to win this game.
1:34:27
I don't think they can. But if they do fake punts, fake
1:34:30
field goals, wild trick plays, and I think that goes across
1:34:35
with the exception of the last game, with the exception of the
1:34:39
last two games, the first two games, I think that's how the
1:34:42
underdogs can pull the upset. Shelton, what do you got in this
1:34:44
game? I think Notre Dame will win, but
1:34:49
I do have Indiana to cover. I just, I don't trust Indiana
1:34:54
for that performance against Iowa State.
1:34:55
And I think Ohio State's a pretty, pretty comparable team
1:34:57
to Notre Dame. Tally.
1:35:02
Oh yeah, I'm going Notre Dame. I mean, they don't get Rudy on
1:35:05
the sideline to cheer my own and go ahead and two touchdown
1:35:10
victory. 2 touchdowns. 2 touchdowns.
1:35:12
Is it going to be? Entertaining though.
1:35:14
Is it going to be an ugly 2 touchdown win?
1:35:17
I don't know, man, I, I just, I was OK with Indiana until Robbie
1:35:23
kept talking about him. What was he called them, paper
1:35:26
tigers or something? Paper Tigers.
1:35:28
Yeah, so I mean, he got that in my head.
1:35:31
I went to sleep with that on and then they got blew out that week
1:35:34
and so I got no confidence in them.
1:35:36
Thanks, Robbie. 11-1 team, no confidence.
1:35:41
Hey, Miranda's riding with you there, and so is Jason.
1:35:45
So Sheldon and I out there on an island a little bit.
1:35:48
By the way, game time temperature.
1:35:50
Now both of these teams are from Indiana, so obviously there is
1:35:54
not a huge weather factor there. 28 seven mile an hour winds.
1:35:58
There is a slight chance of snow showers Friday night in South
1:36:02
and Yep. Yep, the the advantage that they
1:36:06
have is is just just the just the home atmosphere in general,
1:36:11
not necessarily the weather. Right, Hundred percent, 100%.
1:36:15
All righty. Next we go to State College, the
1:36:19
SMU Mustangs versus the Penn State Nittany Lions.
1:36:25
This one it going to be cold and Dallas, which I know it can get
1:36:29
cold. It's going to be 26 at game
1:36:33
time. Kick is going to be about it's
1:36:35
going to be 12 mile an hour winds.
1:36:39
Penn State laying 8 1/2. Brian, what do you think on this
1:36:42
one? Mountain cold is different than
1:36:46
Plains cold, so for that I I'm going to give Penn State the
1:36:52
advantage, but I'm not going to give them 8 1/2.
1:36:55
I got SMU losing but it's going to be on a late field goal.
1:37:02
All righty, definitely different in the the weather with the cold
1:37:07
and the of of where you live, because certain because 31 place
1:37:12
ain't 30 the other. I think 8 1/2 is too much.
1:37:16
I think what SMU did just a couple weeks ago down in
1:37:19
Charlotte proved they're going to be able to handle a physical
1:37:22
defensive line, which Penn State has, which Clemson has.
1:37:27
Similar to what I said with Indiana, they're going to have
1:37:30
to pull some tricks out of the bag.
1:37:33
But I this is like, of all the games where it's you, you, you
1:37:40
look and say, well, they don't have a shot against them.
1:37:43
I think SMU does have a shot. I really do.
1:37:46
I think SMU has a shot to pull off the upset.
1:37:50
James Franklin's record in in basically ranked games.
1:37:54
It's not great. And also the big thing that went
1:37:58
out there this week, I know you all saw it.
1:38:00
The backup quarterback is gone. They do not have a backup
1:38:05
quarterback. So if Drew Alar were to get
1:38:07
popped, I don't know who it is because the backup, the guy is
1:38:11
effectively the effectively thought he was going to get a
1:38:16
shot next year. Jim going to the game.
1:38:19
Nice. What?
1:38:20
Wrap up, Jim, don't freeze out there.
1:38:22
But I think SMU does have a chance.
1:38:24
Go ahead, Shelton. I'll take I'll take Penn State's
1:38:28
going to win, but I do think SMU will cover same same stories
1:38:31
last time. Yeah, I'm following along with
1:38:34
everybody else. I think, I think Penn State will
1:38:38
get this game, but I mean SMU seem to be resilient and if they
1:38:43
lose it's going to be a close loss.
1:38:47
Miranda's riding with us, Jason out on an island.
1:38:55
Again, though, I like this round.
1:38:58
I think you're getting these type of matchups in this type of
1:39:01
environment with playoff stakes on the line.
1:39:04
It's so fucking cool. It is like this.
1:39:07
This is the thing in in in the thing that I appreciate most
1:39:11
about the current playoff structure.
1:39:14
Like there, there's plenty of things that we can complain one
1:39:17
way or the other about, but this is the one element of it that
1:39:20
they got right. 100% almost no, no debate, right?
1:39:24
So right. I love that so.
1:39:27
All righty, let's go down to Austin, TX where we ain't gonna
1:39:32
look at the weather cuz it's sick, cuz it's gonna be like 60°
1:39:35
to kick off, maybe a chance of actually no chance of showers
1:39:38
there. 60° to kick off on Saturday afternoon.
1:39:43
So it's going to be nice and lovely.
1:39:44
It's going to feel just like a normal fall day.
1:39:47
Clemson goes. Clemson coming in, big win with
1:39:51
the ACC championship. Texas Lane, 11 1/2.
1:39:56
Brian, what do you think? How come, man?
1:40:01
How come? I still don't know what to think
1:40:05
about this Clemson team. They've they've shown some good,
1:40:09
they've shown some bad. They've shown some ugly.
1:40:14
I think if you don't have a couple blunders from SMU at the
1:40:16
start of that game, that goes a different way.
1:40:20
I think Texas is a little bit better than SMU.
1:40:23
So I won't I'm going to take the Longhorns here.
1:40:26
It it's barely going to creep over that 11 1/2, but I've I've
1:40:30
got them clearing it just enough all.
1:40:33
Righty. I don't know.
1:40:35
You can ask Robbie if I can put that up there.
1:40:36
Brian, how long you get a trophy?
1:40:38
Got to recruit first of all right there.
1:40:41
Horns down 11 1/2, way too much Texas has not been right for did
1:40:50
not look right versus Georgia. That was not the Texas team I
1:40:53
had seen all year. I want to just outright call
1:40:57
this I think Dabo because he's got in there, he's got in their
1:41:02
fucking heads that damn, what's the name of the place?
1:41:05
The church. He's got the church shit going
1:41:07
on in their head. Don't know by believe in you
1:41:10
y'all can't win. I think Clemson shocks the world
1:41:14
pulls the upset Saturday afternoon.
1:41:17
So give me the 11 1/2 Clemson outright win.
1:41:20
I think Texas big. Texas big.
1:41:23
There we go. I'm not.
1:41:24
I don't think Clemson wins the game, but I think that they
1:41:28
don't lose by 12 points. So I took Clemson, all right?
1:41:35
Miranda rode with with Curtis and Tally, Jason riding with
1:41:40
with me and Sheldon here. All right, last one.
1:41:44
It's a big one. You know, of course, that's it.
1:41:49
They're all big. The venues are all big, the game
1:41:53
is all big. The atmospheres are going to be
1:41:55
big in the Shoe Saturday night. Columbus, OH, 25° chance of snow
1:42:02
showers, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
1:42:05
Just let me confirm that. Yeah, chance of snow showers
1:42:11
there. Tennessee, but Tennessee is in
1:42:16
the mountains, so there's your weather not affecting it.
1:42:19
Ohio State lane 7. Who's winning this one, Brian?
1:42:25
Not giving the hook here made this one really hard to pick.
1:42:30
If that was 7 and a hook, it would have been Tennessee.
1:42:33
No problem. I toiled on this one, but I
1:42:35
ultimately stuck with Tennessee. I think it's going to be a a a
1:42:41
very tight game. I don't know if it'll come down
1:42:43
to a field goal, 6 points, something like that, but I think
1:42:46
they'll do just enough to keep it close.
1:42:50
I'm exact opposite of you, I think.
1:42:52
Again, entertaining game, I think.
1:42:55
Is that what I gave you? You gave me Tennessee.
1:42:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going back to my thought
1:42:59
process here. But two good teams, man.
1:43:04
I gave it to you. Well, we're going to go Tuesday.
1:43:06
But then, you know, they told us that COVID was going to commit
1:43:09
at 9:00, so we had to push it back a day.
1:43:11
So you know. But I've I've got the receipts
1:43:17
if we need receipts. You do you and, and now that you
1:43:20
put it up there, it's like I'm I'm kind of where Brian was. 7
1:43:24
is just not enough to lay. These are two good teams, 2 good
1:43:27
defensive teams, two teams with firepower, 2 teams with damn
1:43:32
good running backs. Somebody tried to tell me
1:43:35
Tennessee's running backs better than Henderson.
1:43:38
Maybe it's just my Virginia ties.
1:43:39
I think Henderson's better than the tip from Tennessee, but
1:43:41
Tennessee, Ohio State wins. Tennessee covers in a war in the
1:43:46
cold. Sheldon Give.
1:43:49
Me the Bucks. Oh, give me the bucks.
1:43:56
Oh. Miranda said.
1:44:00
Buckeyes. Jason, the Halifax Boys.
1:44:03
Run. How's that?
1:44:06
I think it's going to be some entertaining games regardless.
1:44:10
Again, it's great to see you in these atmospheres.
1:44:12
I think that's what we've wanted for years, and now we're getting
1:44:16
it in the highest of stakes of game.
1:44:18
So is anything has anybody else committed to make me, you know,
1:44:22
get off the ledge? I think, I think we're.
1:44:24
Good. But I feel a whole lot better
1:44:26
than I did when we press record and and go live right before the
1:44:30
Koval announcement came out, so. Right.
1:44:33
Yeah. Powerful, powerful guy.
1:44:36
Looks good. Looks good, yeah.
1:44:38
He's going to be playing safety and not nickel like he was
1:44:41
playing this last year with Clemson.
1:44:43
Been injured this year. So I think it's going to be a a
1:44:46
more natural fit for him. He looked really good at Clemson
1:44:50
when he was playing a true safety.
1:44:51
So let's do it. Let's hope so.
1:44:54
All right. Well, with that, that does wrap
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