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Dr. Holly Lucille – Mindful Medicine · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination unlimited. More people are saying the same thing right now.
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Speaker 1: They're tired, stressed, and slow to bounce back, even with
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Speaker 1: healthy habits in place. My guest this week on Destination Unlimited,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Halley Lucille, explains why what use to work may
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Speaker 1: not be enough anymore and how modern stress affects the
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Speaker 1: body's natural defense systems. She breaks down the shift beyond
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Speaker 1: supplementation and offers realistic steps people can take to better
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Speaker 1: support their resilience. Doctor Holly is a nationally recognized licensed
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Speaker 1: naturopathic doctor, educator, author, and media host with more than
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Speaker 1: two decades of experience in integrative medicine. Her work focuses
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Speaker 1: on helping people understand how internal systems influence energy, resilience,
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Speaker 1: and overall wellness, rather than simply addressing symptoms. She's appeared
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Speaker 1: on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, Doctor Oz, The Doctor's Lifetime,
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Speaker 1: and Discovery Health and hosts the Mindful Medicine podcast. Her
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Speaker 1: website is Doctorhollylucille dot com and she joins me this
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Speaker 1: week to share her path and her practice. Please join
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Speaker 1: me in welcoming to Destination Unlimited, doctor Holly Lucille. Welcome, Holly,
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Speaker 1: Hey you thank you so much. Hollow. Your bio shares
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Speaker 1: that you were the daughter of two pharmacists. How did
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Speaker 1: you relate to this growing up?
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Speaker 2: You know, it was so weird. I you know, when
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Speaker 2: you're young, you just you don't really know what's going
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Speaker 2: on for a lot until until later, I would say.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm an you know, licensed nature pathic doctor.
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Speaker 2: And my dad was just to climb the corporate ladder
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Speaker 2: of the Upjohn company, which is that big pharmaceutical company
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Speaker 2: back in the day and probably has been sole defiser
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Speaker 2: and such. And my mom was a pharmacist as well.
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Speaker 2: That's how they met. And I was kind of really
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Speaker 2: attuned to the hear take this approach that was my
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Speaker 2: healthcare growing up, and even as a young person, I
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Speaker 2: thought there there must be something out there that's more
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Speaker 2: than just this. And so it wasn't like I bucked
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Speaker 2: my parents' system, but I did follow my heart. And
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Speaker 2: my undergrad was in nursing. But you know what's funny, Victor,
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Speaker 2: is with my schooling in in a bachelor's degree of nursing,
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Speaker 2: I have that same feeling like, wait, there's got to
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Speaker 2: be more, and I thought, oh gosh, I'm miserable. Well,
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Speaker 2: the common denominator is me. So I had to start
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Speaker 2: looking at myself. And when I looked at myself, I
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Speaker 2: just figured that I like to see things in a
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Speaker 2: much more well I guess it's overused, but holistic manner,
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Speaker 2: right like, so looking for patterns, looking for you know,
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Speaker 2: the least invasive methods to do things first. And I
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Speaker 2: was always a fork first, kind of a food foodie
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Speaker 2: and nutrition person growing up, and so that's kind of
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Speaker 2: how I related to them. And my short answer would
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Speaker 2: be I didn't very well.
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Speaker 1: I understand. So what was the transition from first in
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Speaker 1: nursing and then to a netropath.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. So because of my because
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Speaker 2: of my sort of like bumpiness around my education, I
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Speaker 2: stumbled upon it was one of those life sort of
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Speaker 2: these moments in your life where it just changes everything
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Speaker 2: and I was sent I just I think I had
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Speaker 2: graduated and at the time, I actually was deployed to
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Speaker 2: the golf wur and I came back and the Omega
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Speaker 2: Institute catalog was in my mailbox and I was just
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Speaker 2: browsing through it and I found there was something called
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Speaker 2: holistic Nursing and I'm like, well, what the heck is that?
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Speaker 2: And I called the number and at the time, it
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Speaker 2: was so small that the president answered, and within two
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Speaker 2: weeks I was on a plane to go do a
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Speaker 2: four year post grad educational sort of track in holistic nursing.
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Speaker 2: And so when I got there, it was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is this is it, this is and it's kind
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Speaker 2: of like where my soul finally caught up with my
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Speaker 2: little self and I was like, this is I'm finally home.
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Speaker 2: And it was through the Journal of American Holistic Nursing
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Speaker 2: that I found out about in nah pathic Medicine, and
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Speaker 2: once again I was like, well what is that? And
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Speaker 2: I went and I visited almost all all of the
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Speaker 2: schools that were accredited at the time, and that's how
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Speaker 2: I found out about niature pathic medicine. And then I
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Speaker 2: was at the age of thirty. I went back to
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Speaker 2: school and graduated in two thousand and one at the
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Speaker 2: south West College of nietzsch Pathic Medicine wonderful.
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Speaker 1: Now, most of our listeners are familiar with allopathic medicine,
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Speaker 1: which is what most doctors practice here in the United States.
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Speaker 1: How does naturopathic medicine differ from allopathic medicine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like so if you look
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Speaker 2: at our education and the courses, right, so the biomedical
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Speaker 2: science is like microbiology and biochemistry, and then you're you know,
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Speaker 2: you're taught to do clinical assessments and laboratory assessments, physical assessments.
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Speaker 2: Those things from an educational perspective are pretty similar, and
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Speaker 2: we've got data showing side by side, you know, very
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Speaker 2: very parallel tracks when it comes to an allopathic Western
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Speaker 2: doctor training and my own training, I think where it
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Speaker 2: comes to the points of differentation is our philosophy. Like,
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Speaker 2: so there are principles that guide how I care for people.
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Speaker 2: So identify and treat the cause, treat the whole person.
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Speaker 2: So whole person health is really something that I think
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Speaker 2: is becoming more and more known to not only people
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Speaker 2: consuming care and medicine, but also even if you know,
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Speaker 2: you've heard of the words functional medicine, integrative medicine, holistic medicine.
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Speaker 2: I think whole person care, no matter what your education,
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Speaker 2: is the wave of the future, and I'm really excited
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Speaker 2: about it. Other principles, you know, doctor as teacher, so
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Speaker 2: docier and Latin means to teach, and so instead of
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Speaker 2: just to hear, take this approach. I want to be
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Speaker 2: actually empowering people to take better care of themselves by
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Speaker 2: helping them understand and putting the dots really close together.
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Speaker 2: And then of course the healing power of nature. Knowing
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Speaker 2: that our bodies have this innate ability to heal, and
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Speaker 2: so what can we do to remove obstacles to that process,
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Speaker 2: and how can we really stimulate and facilitate that innate
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Speaker 2: ability as best as we can. So the philosophical differences,
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Speaker 2: I think are where they lie.
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Speaker 1: And following in your career and your studies, you also
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Speaker 1: studied oncology and were certified. What inspired that?
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Speaker 2: Oh my own breast cancer diagnosis in twenty twenty and
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Speaker 2: then my standard of care oncology appointment with a big
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Speaker 2: old oncologist, Cedar Syina in Los Angeles, and it was
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Speaker 2: really truly the only appointment I was too scared not
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Speaker 2: to go to, Like I just I and Victor to
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Speaker 2: be honest with you. I was just a little underwhelmed
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Speaker 2: with my experience, and what I thought to myself is like,
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Speaker 2: is this what people go through? Because I had not
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Speaker 2: there was a certain law in California that if you
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Speaker 2: were not an oncologist, you couldn't really care for people
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Speaker 2: with an oncology diagnosis. And so for a lot of
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Speaker 2: my practice, I had obviously supported people in their journey
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Speaker 2: of any type, but that wasn't something that I was
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Speaker 2: really leaning into. And then this was something I was like,
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Speaker 2: I need to So I kind of took a gap
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Speaker 2: year in reverse. I went to the Oncology Nutrition Institute
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Speaker 2: O and I, and then I also started teaching there.
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Speaker 2: And then I got trained by a colleague of mine,
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Speaker 2: doctor Nasha Winters, in The Metabolic Approach to Cancer, which
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Speaker 2: is a book actually that was written by her and
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Speaker 2: Jess Kelly, and it is written for the lay person
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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but there it's kind of
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Speaker 2: like it's more terrain medicine, right, So like let's say
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Speaker 2: there's a goldfish swimming around in a dirty tank. Are
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Speaker 2: you gonna clean out the tank or are you gonna
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Speaker 2: vaccinate the gold vision? So our training was really focused
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Speaker 2: on cleaning out the tank.
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Speaker 1: Hmmm, that's fascinating And how did that inspire you in
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Speaker 1: other ways?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, I think terring medicine is kind of
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Speaker 2: where it's at and just looking at the whole person
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Speaker 2: and not really reducing somebody to their diagnosis and knowing that,
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Speaker 2: especially with a cancer journey that people go through, it's very,
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Speaker 2: very scary. It's you know, the whole big C word
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Speaker 2: is in and of itself, just something and it sets off,
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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of cooks in the kitchen. Certainly,
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Speaker 2: it sets off a lot of fear around not only
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Speaker 2: the person that has been diagnosed, but also family and
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Speaker 2: loved ones, et cetera. So it really made me lean
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Speaker 2: into knowing that you can care for the entire system
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Speaker 2: of family, friends, loved ones, et cetera that are going
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Speaker 2: through something that's so challenging and do it in a
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Speaker 2: way that I think from the data, really increases better
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Speaker 2: outcomes and quality of life.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I've had the blessing of some wonderful doctors in
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Speaker 1: my life, and one of the things that the wonderful
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Speaker 1: doctors have in common is their ability to truly listen
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Speaker 1: to what the patient is saying. That's so important, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my tagline I think is still on my
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Speaker 2: email signature and it literally says, let's think this through.
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Speaker 2: And the way that I came about that tagline is
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Speaker 2: I literally was listening to somebody and I pushed my
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Speaker 2: I think I had a roller chair at the time,
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Speaker 2: you know, like one of those desk chairs, and I
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Speaker 2: pushed it away from my desk and I said, you
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Speaker 2: know what, let's think this through. And it's what I
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Speaker 2: really met. It's like, I can't. I mean, you can
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Speaker 2: have the best education in the world. You know, you
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Speaker 2: can be Stanford, Harvard train what you have, but if
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Speaker 2: you don't listen to the input, right of what your
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Speaker 2: patients are telling you and also sometimes the nuances of
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Speaker 2: what they aren't telling you, I just feel like it's
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Speaker 2: not a great equation. The equation and the good, you know,
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Speaker 2: all of the data is in what they are saying
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Speaker 2: and getting their story and actually prompting people to tell
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Speaker 2: even more. And I think listening is a really important
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Speaker 2: part of medicine.
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Speaker 1: And it incorporates not just looking at the disease or
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Speaker 1: the illness, but looking at the person as a whole thing.
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Speaker 2: Right that whole person care and whole person health. The
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Speaker 2: Institute for Natural Medicine actually is a five oh one
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Speaker 2: C three and I'm actually the chair of it at
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Speaker 2: this point in time, and they've co developed a CME
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Speaker 2: course with Georgetown for allopathic doctors doos anybody who wants
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Speaker 2: to know more about really what this next wave I
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Speaker 2: think of the consumer driven movement is, and that really
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Speaker 2: is in that looking at that whole person, you know,
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Speaker 2: and not just remembering your biochemistry and remember your under
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Speaker 2: chronology and remembering all the pathways and maybe repleating some
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Speaker 2: nutrients that need to be repleated, et cetera, but but
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Speaker 2: really like thinking about somebody's environment. There's actually data from
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Speaker 2: the work that was done in the seventies for adverse
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Speaker 2: childhood of events A scores that are relevant to this day.
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Speaker 2: So looking at that, at you know, looking at people's relationships.
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Speaker 2: You know, I have some women who their their diagnosis
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Speaker 2: has kind of stirred on a healthy divorce, if you
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Speaker 2: don't mind me saying like, because it's like, what is
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Speaker 2: it going to take for you to be the best
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Speaker 2: person you can be and be the healthiest you can be?
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Speaker 2: And you know that is really whole person care. They
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Speaker 2: had to look at themselves and look at their relationship
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Speaker 2: and understand that. You know, let's say, drinking alcohol is toxic.
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Speaker 2: Well being in a toxic relationship is also toxic. And
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Speaker 2: so that's the part of whole person care that I love.
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Speaker 1: You had mentioned the basic precepts of metropathic medicine, and
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Speaker 1: you would share to identify and treat the root cause
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Speaker 1: and also treat the whole person. The first is do
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Speaker 1: no harm. Isn't that something that all forms of healing should.
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Speaker 2: Embrace, Oh, Victor, I I I think so yes, and
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Speaker 2: I think we all take that oath. You know, it
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Speaker 2: was interesting. I had an unfortunate event over the holidays
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Speaker 2: and had to spend some time in the hospital, and
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Speaker 2: so you know, the TV was right there, and I
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Speaker 2: was there for five days full on, and so I
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Speaker 2: watched more of the Food Network channel than I ever
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Speaker 2: have in my entire life. But the other thing that
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Speaker 2: I was noticing was the commercials, which I don't really
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Speaker 2: ever pay attention to these days at all. And what
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Speaker 2: I found was these these commercials that had ads for
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Speaker 2: medications drugs, right, and of course they're direct to consumer,
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Speaker 2: and the messaging used to be, you know, ask your
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Speaker 2: doctor about if X, Y, and Z is right for you.
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Speaker 2: And what surprised me about this experience this time they
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Speaker 2: left doctor out of the picture. They said, ask your prescriber,
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Speaker 2: like like, that's all there is to it, just like,
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Speaker 2: prescribe something. Just please give me something. You know, it's
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Speaker 2: like and with ten to fifteen minute visits sometimes that
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Speaker 2: doctors are only allowed because of the system that it is,
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Speaker 2: you know, in our modern day. That's all I got.
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Speaker 2: And so it was it literally floored me that commercials.
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Speaker 2: When I first heard, I was like, wait, did I
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Speaker 2: just hear that right? And then because I was there
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Speaker 2: for so long, I was yep, is that ask your prescriber?
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Speaker 2: And I thought that was fascinating. So to me, that
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Speaker 2: is not doing that's not using the least invasive methods
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Speaker 2: to diagnose and treat. That is a case for doing
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Speaker 2: harm because you have no idea the amount. And it's
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Speaker 2: it's good training for me, but when I have somebody
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Speaker 2: new to my practice, I make sure I understand what
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Speaker 2: medications they are on because I wouldn't say a large percentage,
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Speaker 2: but a good percentage of these folks are having clinical
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Speaker 2: experiences because of side effects of medications that they're on.
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Speaker 2: And if I don't understand those interactions, you know, those
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Speaker 2: nutrients that are depleted because of those medications, the I'm
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Speaker 2: not doing anybody any good. And so it's been interesting
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Speaker 2: for me, to say the least. But yes, first, you know,
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Speaker 2: harm is a is an oath that we all taken.
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Speaker 2: I just wish we all would lean into it just
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Speaker 2: a bit more.
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Speaker 1: That's from the Hippocratic oath, isn't it It is? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I find it fascinating that a lot of
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Speaker 1: these commercials, first of all, are aimed at people of
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Speaker 1: a certain age. I've just turned seventy three last month,
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Speaker 1: so I know what I'm talking about about people of
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Speaker 1: a certain age. But the other aspect that I've noticed
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Speaker 1: is the disclaimer that they sort of sneak in towards
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Speaker 1: the end. This could cause death, this could cause this
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Speaker 1: could and I'm saying to myself, if I were someone
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Speaker 1: who had one of these conditions, I wouldn't even consider that.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you can see that it could cause death
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff under the beautiful music and the
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Speaker 2: butterfly that's you know, running across your screen. But good
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Speaker 2: on you, for sure, but I hear you. I hear you.
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Speaker 2: I definitely hear you. And when was your birthday because
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Speaker 2: that was January?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, January seventeenth.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm January thirtieth. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: So you're aquarian and I'm capricorn.
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Speaker 2: Yep, you're a cap corn like one of my best friends.
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Speaker 2: January seventeenth.
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Speaker 1: Ah, thank you. Talking about the other precepts we had mentioned,
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Speaker 1: to identify and treat the road cross, treat the whole person.
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Speaker 1: You would also say, teach and facilitate understanding to empower people.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about that, please.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's kind of like that old adage.
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Speaker 2: If let me, let me see if I can get
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Speaker 2: this right. You know, if you want to, you can
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Speaker 2: help me. It's about fish.
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Speaker 3: If you want to you know, if you want to
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Speaker 3: catch fish, no, no.
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Speaker 2: If you want to give somebody dinner, right, fish dinner,
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Speaker 2: if you want to feed them for life, teach them how.
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Speaker 1: To fish, teach them how to right.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I know I kind of butchered that. It's I'm
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Speaker 2: sure it's more eloquent out there, but that's the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: It's if I don't do my job in Docier to teach.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that I'm doing a good job at all,
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Speaker 2: because you know, one of my things I always have
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Speaker 2: told myself that my job is to put myself out
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Speaker 2: of business because if I do my job right, I
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Speaker 2: don't people are not going to need me right, So
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Speaker 2: I don't and no shade on people that do. But
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Speaker 2: I don't sell packages or I want to. I want
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Speaker 2: to work with somebody in a way where we're partnering,
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Speaker 2: where this is a true partnership, and they, at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day are the boss, and I want
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Speaker 2: to empower them by one of the pillars that I
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Speaker 2: think is really strong is to teach them if I
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Speaker 2: know what my clinical hypothesis is, after I've had good
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Speaker 2: clinical acumen and listened and did all you know, and
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Speaker 2: then ran you know, sort of like you know, substantiating
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Speaker 2: tests to rule and rule out my clinical hypothesis. I
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Speaker 2: want to allow somebody to know what's going on. Like
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Speaker 2: I just saw a gentleman before we got on and
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Speaker 2: he's on a medication and he was complaining of some
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Speaker 2: significant side effects, and so I was able to teach
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Speaker 2: him and these medications that he's on, he had a
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Speaker 2: rhythmia and so he had an ablazon and they're going
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Speaker 2: to be temporary. But I said, listen, I think that
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Speaker 2: this is common. You are not alone. But once we
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Speaker 2: are able to taper you off these medications, I promise you,
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Speaker 2: I think these things are going to abate. Let's run
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Speaker 2: some blood work just in case, so we cover all
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Speaker 2: our basis. But that is what I think is going
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Speaker 2: to happen. So instead of him thinking, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: this is my life from here on out, I could
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Speaker 2: contain him and say, these are very common side effects
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Speaker 2: of medications like these. They are temporary and they will
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Speaker 2: abate as soon as we can taper you off these medications,
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Speaker 2: which are in the next you know, four to six weeks.
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Speaker 2: And so that piece of education just's he's I mean,
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Speaker 2: I could feel it and I could see it. It's
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Speaker 2: set him free. So that's what that is all about.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. The next is practice prevention.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, prevention is the cure. You know. I even though
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Speaker 2: I was in Los Angeles for over thirty five years,
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Speaker 2: I just moved to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and I
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Speaker 2: would say that the medical system here we need good advocates.
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Speaker 2: It's a state that really needs more doctors, for sure,
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Speaker 2: and I will say that the best health insurance out there,
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Speaker 2: and that's a big topic, you know, and on all
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Speaker 2: sides these days is to just stay well and to
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Speaker 2: be well and so not get sick. And I think
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Speaker 2: prevention is the cure. And if we can look ahead,
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Speaker 2: you know, of course there's all sorts of longevity hacks
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Speaker 2: and things that are popping up, but if you can
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Speaker 2: really truly be well and prevent things happening, it's just
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Speaker 2: such a nice sweet spot for sure.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the last is the healing power of nature.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you did your homework, and that's that thing that
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Speaker 2: you know. It is the reason. And I tell people
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Speaker 2: this that are frustrated that come to me, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of people do come to me at their wits end.
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Speaker 2: You know, they've been through the system, their insurance based
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Speaker 2: system already. And you know a lot of people like
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Speaker 2: me are we we don't take insurance, and sometimes it's
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Speaker 2: out of pocket, and people are like, well, why would
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Speaker 2: I do that since I'm paying all this in my
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Speaker 2: premiums and all that stuff. But I get a lot
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Speaker 2: of people and so I tell them this is the
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21:46
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21:49
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21:52
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week is doctor
23:55
Speaker 1: Holly Lucille. Holly, we were talking about the ways of
23:59
Speaker 1: natural heath. I have many friends who seemingly have healthy diets,
24:04
Speaker 1: they use vitamins and supplements, but they say they still
24:08
Speaker 1: feel run down. Why is this becoming so common and
24:12
Speaker 1: why are they not doing what they should be doing.
24:15
Speaker 2: Gosh, oh, I feel like we're opening up a little
24:18
Speaker 2: can of horms here. I believe that we've got to look.
24:24
Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of like two things. We've got
24:27
Speaker 2: the internal locus of control where you just mentioned people
24:31
Speaker 2: are on their diet pretty pristine, they're taking targeted supplements hopefully,
24:38
Speaker 2: you know, with good transparency of quality and proper dosing.
24:43
Speaker 2: You know, that's very very important. And then there's the
24:47
Speaker 2: external locus of control what's outside of us. And you know,
24:53
Speaker 2: it's part of one of the reasons I left Los
24:55
Speaker 2: Angeles is I could control a lot, especially after my
25:00
Speaker 2: breast cancer diagnosis, of what I was doing on the inside.
25:05
Speaker 2: There was a lot I could not control on the outside,
25:08
Speaker 2: you know. And then we went through the fires and
25:11
Speaker 2: I you know, I got so much to say about
25:13
Speaker 2: that and just people who are still reeling from that disaster.
25:18
Speaker 2: But the quality of air that I would breathe, and
25:21
Speaker 2: I'm a very active person and I love to be
25:23
Speaker 2: outside and all of that stuff, and so the other thing,
25:27
Speaker 2: I would say, it's our environment, and it's these passive
25:31
Speaker 2: stressors that we aren't not very aware of or we
25:35
Speaker 2: lose track of. And then I do think it's the compounded,
25:39
Speaker 2: confounded chronic stressors. You know, I could almost just think
25:45
Speaker 2: of the last one or two three people that I've
25:47
Speaker 2: seen on my roster in my practice, and that is
25:51
Speaker 2: just one of the things that we talk about because
25:55
Speaker 2: you know, stress obviously is a very connotated word, and
26:00
Speaker 2: we can think about it in many different ways, but
26:04
Speaker 2: it is one of those things. It's a killer, it
26:06
Speaker 2: really is, and we've got to be able to look
26:09
Speaker 2: at it and mitigate it or at least be able
26:13
Speaker 2: to manage it better than most of us are doing.
26:17
Speaker 2: And I think that that's one of the reasons why
26:21
Speaker 2: people are feeling run down even though they're doing their best.
26:24
Speaker 1: How does long term stress affect the body at the cellular.
26:27
Speaker 2: Level, Yeah, so you know, cortisol. So it's that's that
26:32
Speaker 2: hormone that is our number one sort of just stress hormone,
26:38
Speaker 2: and it's very inflammatory and you know, over a long
26:43
Speaker 2: period of time, when you've got too much cortisol just
26:46
Speaker 2: you know, and honestly, if we used. If we had
26:49
Speaker 2: a more natural relationship with stress, you know, like every
26:52
Speaker 2: other week or so, there's a polar bear and we'd
26:56
Speaker 2: have to go, oh, are we going to run or
26:57
Speaker 2: are we going to stay here and fight? And then
27:00
Speaker 2: what we would happen is we would have that we
27:02
Speaker 2: would have that particular situation, right, a stressor, and all
27:08
Speaker 2: of the building blocks and nutrients needed to mount that
27:11
Speaker 2: stress response would be utilized. Here's the thing, Victor, we
27:15
Speaker 2: would have a good amount of recovery. And that's where
27:19
Speaker 2: we would just replenish. It's kind of like, hey, your
27:22
Speaker 2: phone is you know, it's drained in the battery. What
27:25
Speaker 2: do you do? You plug it in? We don't get
27:28
Speaker 2: plugged in. We just do not. We don't recharge. And
27:32
Speaker 2: I think it's just this go go, go, go go,
27:35
Speaker 2: And that is what's getting us in trouble in the
27:37
Speaker 2: long term because it's very inflammatory. And then also we
27:42
Speaker 2: all know this idea of homeostasis, right, it's like wanting
27:45
Speaker 2: to come back into homeo same balance. There's this word
27:50
Speaker 2: called alostasis, and that is when the brain makes body
27:56
Speaker 2: wide changes and in the response to the response. I
28:00
Speaker 2: should say, for something that's chronic and so your entire
28:05
Speaker 2: biochemistry can shift from a thriving perspective. Right, Let's say
28:11
Speaker 2: you're just thriving. It's like, hey, you wake up and
28:13
Speaker 2: you're like, good morning, that was such a great night's sleep.
28:16
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do for breakfast? Let's go for what?
28:19
Speaker 2: You know, people are probably laughing at us right now
28:21
Speaker 2: because I don't know how many people lay on that way.
28:24
Speaker 2: But you know, it's it goes from thriving to surviving,
28:29
Speaker 2: and there's a whole biochemical shift and long term metabolically
28:34
Speaker 2: that leads to all sorts of things. It is a slippery.
28:37
Speaker 1: Slope, absolutely. You know. It's a couple of things that
28:40
Speaker 1: I in my personal healing practice. Number one, meditation, I
28:45
Speaker 1: recommend to people who are dealing with stress, and they
28:47
Speaker 1: find that the meditation sessions are very very effective in
28:50
Speaker 1: working with stress. And also sort of turning off the
28:54
Speaker 1: media that the non essential media. I'll say, I'm not
28:58
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh media, but non essential media. And and
29:01
Speaker 1: with with everything with social media today, and and and
29:04
Speaker 1: people spending their times glued to their to their phones
29:08
Speaker 1: and to their computers and televisions. I really need to
29:12
Speaker 1: take a break from that, don't they?
29:14
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just talking to a really special friend
29:18
Speaker 2: this morning about this. I got into the news cycle
29:21
Speaker 2: because of one news story that I came across, and it's, uh,
29:26
Speaker 2: you know, Savannah Guthrie's mom, to be honest, and I
29:29
Speaker 2: just I thought it was so devastating and I I
29:32
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. I just couldn't imagine. And
29:38
Speaker 2: because of that story, I ended up wanting to understand, like,
29:42
Speaker 2: you know, is there any progress, you know, has she
29:44
Speaker 2: been found? Like I was, my heart was just aching
29:46
Speaker 2: for the entire situation. But Victor, because of that story,
29:50
Speaker 2: I got kind of pulled back into the other stories
29:52
Speaker 2: as well, and I got to tell you it was
29:56
Speaker 2: not good. And I had to learn to, Okay, if
30:00
Speaker 2: you want to know more about what's happening with this
30:02
Speaker 2: particular story of your interests, than do it on your
30:05
Speaker 2: own time, your own dime, in your own way, and
30:09
Speaker 2: not through the mass media. Because it affected me greatly,
30:14
Speaker 2: and I went back to being very selective of how
30:17
Speaker 2: I get my information. And so, yes, I think it's true,
30:21
Speaker 2: and you know that screen time, you know, it's so
30:24
Speaker 2: it's so interesting people I think use it. They like, oh,
30:27
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch TV to maybe help me wind
30:30
Speaker 2: down at night and go to sleep right, But that's
30:33
Speaker 2: screen time. If you're not wearing blue blockers or you
30:35
Speaker 2: don't have protective things over your screen, it's really kind
30:39
Speaker 2: of disrupt from your sleep. And people don't really realize that.
30:42
Speaker 2: And even though I think they know it, it's still
30:45
Speaker 2: such a dopamine hit and a calming sensation of just
30:50
Speaker 2: like having a nice show like I I you know,
30:54
Speaker 2: I love an episode of Lincoln Lawyer, for sure, but
30:59
Speaker 2: that is just something that we have to really be
31:02
Speaker 2: careful of.
31:02
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, especially when mass media is selling by
31:08
Speaker 1: pitching divisiveness. They send you what they know is your
31:12
Speaker 1: raw raw factor and and and it's just increasing divisiveness.
31:16
Speaker 1: But it's they're also selling at the same time.
31:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know. I mean, they've got us siloed and
31:22
Speaker 2: they you know, kind of serve up exactly what we
31:25
Speaker 2: want to see, and so we get a little bit
31:26
Speaker 2: more excited about it. And you're right, it's it's selling.
31:31
Speaker 2: It is very seductive. And I think, you know, I
31:34
Speaker 2: think one of the most powerful things we have is
31:36
Speaker 2: our minds. And when we let our minds kind of
31:39
Speaker 2: get usurped by all of this seductive messaging and media
31:45
Speaker 2: out there. It is. It is a cost for concern,
31:48
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
31:49
Speaker 1: Absolutely. You're the author of a wonderful book, Creating and
31:52
Speaker 1: Maintaining Balance, A Woman's Guide to Safe natural hormone Health.
31:57
Speaker 1: What inspired that book and what did you share with
31:59
Speaker 1: you readers?
32:01
Speaker 2: I think at the time, thank you so much. At
32:04
Speaker 2: the time, the Women's Health Initiative had been released, and
32:07
Speaker 2: of course we could we could spend four or five
32:11
Speaker 2: hours going through through all of that, but we won't.
32:15
Speaker 2: H but hormone replacement therapy HRT was really hot. There's
32:19
Speaker 2: a hot topic, and I kind of thought to myself,
32:22
Speaker 2: you know, and I was very young then. I wasn't
32:25
Speaker 2: I'm through menopause now, and so maybe I could have
32:29
Speaker 2: written a better book now. But it was basically kind
32:35
Speaker 2: of speaking out against hormone replacement therapy just because I
32:38
Speaker 2: thought that, gosh, if this is a natural transition, it's
32:41
Speaker 2: a normal transition, right. We have our puberty, we have
32:45
Speaker 2: we don't have a hormonal cycle prior, like's talk about
32:48
Speaker 2: women prior to puberty. Then we have this this lovely
32:52
Speaker 2: organic cycle that happens. And if we were again, you know,
32:56
Speaker 2: closer to nature, we would line up with the moon
32:58
Speaker 2: in a sense. And one of the assessment tools that
33:03
Speaker 2: I've used throughout my entire life and career in medicine
33:07
Speaker 2: for women has been housed your cycle, you know, is
33:09
Speaker 2: it normal? Because it's really quite profound and you've got
33:13
Speaker 2: your you know, your your brain, your hypothemals, pituitary and
33:17
Speaker 2: the HPA, your adrenal and gonatal access and it's just
33:23
Speaker 2: like there's this few it's just lovely, right, So I thought,
33:29
Speaker 2: you know, we've got this great fertility period and then
33:33
Speaker 2: as you wind down from that, you go into pre menopause,
33:37
Speaker 2: so just parry or that means around menopause and then menopause.
33:42
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, hormones really aren't needed. Hormone replacement
33:46
Speaker 2: there be what is there to replace? There's nothing to replace,
33:49
Speaker 2: you know, your adrenals, like we'll talk about that. They
33:52
Speaker 2: really are the built in backup system for pre and
33:54
Speaker 2: postmenopausal hormone production because they step up to the plate
33:57
Speaker 2: when you're ovarias take a well does you break? And
34:00
Speaker 2: so that was really my messaging. Now if we want
34:04
Speaker 2: to be accurate about it, and there's hormone therapy, right
34:07
Speaker 2: there's nothing to replace. But if we want to use safe, effective,
34:11
Speaker 2: bioidentical hormone therapy for our modern day, that's a whole
34:15
Speaker 2: other conversation. But that book was written quite a while ago,
34:19
Speaker 2: and that was my message that, you know, it's almost
34:22
Speaker 2: like there was another great book out there called Menopause,
34:24
Speaker 2: Treat the Cause, and I was even I was alarmed
34:29
Speaker 2: that menopause carried a diagnosis. We diagnosed things through ICD
34:35
Speaker 2: that used to be IC nine IC ten codes now
34:38
Speaker 2: and menopause, this natural phase of a woman's life, has
34:42
Speaker 2: a diagnosis, and that to me is disease mongeringe right.
34:45
Speaker 2: And that's a pretty it's a pretty big market for
34:49
Speaker 2: the medical establishment if you, you know, just to call
34:53
Speaker 2: it a disease, because like, oh gosh, I'm in menopause,
34:56
Speaker 2: and you know, we all pathologize ourselves, you know, it
34:59
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my menop middle, or oh I just
35:02
Speaker 2: haven't menopause brain, or you know, because you forgot a word,
35:06
Speaker 2: or something like that. And so that whole book was
35:10
Speaker 2: trying to to just turn it on its head and
35:15
Speaker 2: normalize it again. I would say, that's what.
35:17
Speaker 1: I would say, and women today, especially today, with some
35:22
Speaker 1: of the societal reversal and some of the pressure that
35:25
Speaker 1: women are under. Really need to take a deep look
35:29
Speaker 1: at how they're feeling and how they're reacting, don't they.
35:32
Speaker 2: I think that's really important all the time, you know,
35:35
Speaker 2: how they're feeling, how they're reacting. You know, there's gosh
35:39
Speaker 2: the and you know, I used to think, Victor. I
35:41
Speaker 2: used to think that because I got into medicine, you know,
35:44
Speaker 2: and parents, pharmacists, all that stuff. And when I learned
35:48
Speaker 2: about nature pec medicine and I started practicing, I was like, well, hey,
35:52
Speaker 2: this isn't rocket science. You know, it's like gosh, I
35:55
Speaker 2: could clean up somebody's diet or help them clean up
35:57
Speaker 2: their diet and people start getting better. And I was
36:01
Speaker 2: just like this, But when it came to the endercan system,
36:04
Speaker 2: our hormone system, the devil is into details. So you know,
36:10
Speaker 2: I think that is really important that we always think
36:15
Speaker 2: about how we're feeling and making those connections and really
36:20
Speaker 2: truly getting to somebody who if you're not feeling well,
36:23
Speaker 2: even though like you said, you're doing everything right, that
36:26
Speaker 2: knows what's going on and can really listen to you
36:29
Speaker 2: and remember their endocrine system and make those connections because
36:34
Speaker 2: you touch one strand of the whole web troumbles, and
36:37
Speaker 2: that's that is the biggest thing. And so yes, women
36:40
Speaker 2: need to continue to understand how they're feeling and pay
36:44
Speaker 2: attention and really respect it.
36:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Until my brother's out there in your partnerships, honor
36:52
Speaker 1: that woman, listen to her, let her process what she
36:55
Speaker 1: has to process, and be a loving presence.
36:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, men go through this too.
37:00
Speaker 2: I think it's under still. I still think we under
37:03
Speaker 2: talk about it. Andro pause. You know, you know, we've called,
37:07
Speaker 2: We've called. You know, I think the old joke is
37:10
Speaker 2: a guy goes out and gets a new, shiny red
37:12
Speaker 2: corvette and and I think there's a lot of understanding
37:16
Speaker 2: that needs to go on there too. So it goes
37:19
Speaker 2: back and forth.
37:19
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, absolutely, How do environmental changes challenge our health?
37:26
Speaker 1: And what approach do you recommend to something that we
37:28
Speaker 1: really have little control over?
37:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know there, Oh gosh, I'm gonna my
37:37
Speaker 2: mom and dad when they retired, they they moved to
37:39
Speaker 2: a little town called Shelbyville, Michigan. And I'll never forget
37:44
Speaker 2: there was like a little the only place you get
37:47
Speaker 2: groceries like this little gas station and it had a
37:50
Speaker 2: bumper sticker on the the checkout and it said and
37:54
Speaker 2: it was a beer bumper sticker in it. It said
37:57
Speaker 2: there was something like I don't know what it was.
37:59
Speaker 2: It's like Victor was something like it was an unfiltered
38:03
Speaker 2: beer advertisement. It's just said, I if this beer needed
38:09
Speaker 2: to be filtered, God would not have given us livers.
38:12
Speaker 2: And it was really funny. Okay, it was something really
38:15
Speaker 2: funny like that. And we do have this incredible ability
38:20
Speaker 2: to detoxify, right, So let's look at our skin. Even
38:23
Speaker 2: our skin is our largest detoxification organ ever we get
38:27
Speaker 2: things out, and I think that it's super important to
38:34
Speaker 2: think about. Okay, there are things that are out of
38:37
Speaker 2: our control, but what is in our control? Well, let's
38:41
Speaker 2: look at the things that we put on our body,
38:43
Speaker 2: like our skin, you know, are they full of fillers
38:48
Speaker 2: and thalates and things that make the shelf life of
38:51
Speaker 2: those things last longer but can cause maybe underc harm
38:57
Speaker 2: in our body because our skin is quite permeable, right,
39:00
Speaker 2: So what do we put in our body when it
39:04
Speaker 2: comes to food or drink? And then you know our
39:07
Speaker 2: liver health. You know, can we do things like dry
39:09
Speaker 2: skin brushing? Can we if you are you know, partaking
39:16
Speaker 2: in a glass of wine with dinner or what have you?
39:19
Speaker 2: Can you understand about a supplement called milk thistle and
39:24
Speaker 2: that is hepato protective and it can protect you. So
39:27
Speaker 2: there are things that you can do that are in
39:29
Speaker 2: your control. And I think the key is taking control
39:33
Speaker 2: over what is in your control and understanding more and
39:36
Speaker 2: more about that.
39:37
Speaker 1: What does it mean when you say the bodies defense
39:40
Speaker 1: systems may not be switching on properly?
39:43
Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, So this is a that's a great, great
39:48
Speaker 2: question because this is where you know supplements. I've been
39:54
Speaker 2: a consultant in the natural product industry for many, many
39:59
Speaker 2: many and this is where bioactivators come in. You know.
40:05
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, supplements. Yeah, So a supplement by definition
40:09
Speaker 2: is can you add to or enhance something that's already there? Right.
40:16
Speaker 2: So what I mean by this is like, all right,
40:20
Speaker 2: instead of only adding nutrients from the outside, with a bioactivator,
40:25
Speaker 2: you can activate what the body already knows what to
40:28
Speaker 2: do on the inside. Right. So traditional supplements we're you know,
40:32
Speaker 2: we are often about supplying ingredients, but a bioactivator and
40:38
Speaker 2: switching on what the what you what your body has
40:41
Speaker 2: as far as like resilience day after day, supplements add,
40:45
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40:50
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40:54
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40:58
Speaker 2: And it's got an incredible press and so much data
41:01
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41:05
Speaker 2: And so that's what I mean by.
41:07
Speaker 1: That, And tell us where listeners can find out more
41:10
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41:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, immunage. So I want to spell it because it's
41:15
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41:17
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41:17
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41:22
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41:25
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41:31
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Speaker 1: body's natural defenses?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really important. So we talked prior to
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Speaker 2: the break. There's this I don't want to get two
43:04
Speaker 2: in the weeds here with biochemistry, but there is an
43:08
Speaker 2: there's something in our body called an n r F
43:11
Speaker 2: two pathway, and that's a pathway that is like a
43:17
Speaker 2: master defense switch. Okay, so think of it like a
43:21
Speaker 2: master switch that helps coordinate how we handle things like
43:25
Speaker 2: you and I've been talking about everyday stress, things like
43:29
Speaker 2: poor sleep, a tough workout, which we all would that's
43:32
Speaker 2: called I call that you stress. That's good stress, right,
43:37
Speaker 2: pollutants that we've talked about in normal aging. And so
43:42
Speaker 2: when we stimulate this NRF two, it's one of the
43:45
Speaker 2: body's most important response systems. And that's where this and
43:52
Speaker 2: it's well, it's a finished product. It's but fermented papaya.
43:56
Speaker 2: It's been fermented for ten years. But that's what that
44:00
Speaker 2: It helps your body adapt. It's like a resilience switch.
44:04
Speaker 2: It's not a quick fixed button, right, like we just
44:08
Speaker 2: want to get it done, like I told you about
44:10
Speaker 2: my parents, Like here take this and this quick fix.
44:14
Speaker 2: It's much more about helping your body do what it
44:18
Speaker 2: already knows how to do, but do it better in
44:20
Speaker 2: a sense.
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Speaker 1: And you call that cellular resilience.
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Speaker 2: We could make the story more about oxidative stress. Okay,
44:27
Speaker 2: and oxidative stress the way that I like to position it,
44:31
Speaker 2: especially here now and that I live in Santa Fe. Okay,
44:34
Speaker 2: A great bowl of guacamalle Now if you make it
44:38
Speaker 2: at home and it's sitting out on your kitten counter
44:41
Speaker 2: and it's it's exposed to what the oxygen. What happens, Well,
44:47
Speaker 2: it turned brown? Or you cut an apple in half,
44:49
Speaker 2: what does that happen it turns brown? Well, what do
44:52
Speaker 2: people do? Well, they use an antioxidant like lemon juice,
44:56
Speaker 2: lime juice, that's vitamin C is scorbic acid. That's an
44:59
Speaker 2: anti occident. So I think this conversation then switches from
45:05
Speaker 2: antioxidant to more resilience, because even though immunoa just has
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Speaker 2: a lot of antioxidant properties and it's been proven in
45:14
Speaker 2: the literature, it really is about cellular resilience. And I
45:18
Speaker 2: love that so much because it's like it's helping your
45:21
Speaker 2: body do better what it already knows how to do.
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Speaker 1: What lessons can we take away from ancient people and
45:29
Speaker 1: their lifestyles?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: I think what I think it's a great question, and
45:36
Speaker 2: I think that less is more. I really do when
45:42
Speaker 2: I hear the stories, and I guess not even the
45:46
Speaker 2: stories of the people, like I said, are on my
45:48
Speaker 2: roster that I care for, or get the opportunity and
45:51
Speaker 2: the pleasure to care for, but even my own in
45:54
Speaker 2: our modern days, there's quite a bit going on, and
45:59
Speaker 2: I think that we can learn so much more about
46:04
Speaker 2: health by simplifying things. And I think it's all what
46:09
Speaker 2: we start. We just we just we have to start
46:12
Speaker 2: doing it, you know. And I you know, there's there's
46:15
Speaker 2: this thing, and I've told you and I've been transparent
46:18
Speaker 2: about my own breast cancer journey and such like that.
46:20
Speaker 2: But people get pill fatigue, right, or supplement fatigue. It's
46:24
Speaker 2: just like sometimes I look at myself on the cover
46:26
Speaker 2: and I'm like, not today, It's not going to happen.
46:29
Speaker 2: It's like, and we get fatigued about a lot of things,
46:32
Speaker 2: you know, if we're on a restricted diet or you know, uh,
46:37
Speaker 2: we can get just we're out about even making the
46:41
Speaker 2: best strides in our own health. And I think that's
46:43
Speaker 2: why less is more, and we you know, don't have
46:49
Speaker 2: to do all of the screens and all of the
46:52
Speaker 2: stress and endure the poor sleep and alter processed foods
46:55
Speaker 2: and the toxins and the constant busyness. We can just
47:00
Speaker 2: do a little less. I think that's what really makes
47:03
Speaker 2: noticeable real life changes.
47:05
Speaker 1: Okay, healthy diet, what do you recommend?
47:08
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's a trick question because it all depends
47:11
Speaker 2: on who's in front of me. But I got to
47:13
Speaker 2: tell you, I think these days it's all whatever you
47:16
Speaker 2: however you eat, it's all about food quality. So when
47:18
Speaker 2: I think, when I say that, what does that mean? Okay?
47:21
Speaker 2: Can we use qualifiers like grass fed, grass finished, wild caught?
47:26
Speaker 2: You know. I was walking with a friend this morning
47:28
Speaker 2: and she's like, I don't eat fish because it's all
47:30
Speaker 2: farmed and it's awful. And I'm like, well, can we
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Speaker 2: back that up? That's not really that true. I mean, yes,
47:37
Speaker 2: part of it, but if you can get and there
47:40
Speaker 2: are quality people doing quality products out there when it
47:45
Speaker 2: comes to food, and I think that is where we're
47:49
Speaker 2: at from. A good diet is the quality of food.
47:52
Speaker 2: It's not this that or the other diet. You know,
47:54
Speaker 2: because Victor, I looked up the word diet. It was
47:56
Speaker 2: a long time ago, because I wondered, what does it mean?
48:00
Speaker 2: What is that? For a let a word mean? And
48:04
Speaker 2: when I looked it up and I found out what
48:06
Speaker 2: it meant habitual nourishment, Like how is a habit? Do
48:08
Speaker 2: you nourish yourself? It completely changed the way that I
48:12
Speaker 2: thought about it for myself and how I thought about
48:15
Speaker 2: it when talking to my patients about it because it's like,
48:19
Speaker 2: how is a habit? Do you nourish yourself? Well, a
48:22
Speaker 2: lot of times, to your point, people don't feel worthy
48:26
Speaker 2: of being nourished, right, and so sometimes you know, and
48:31
Speaker 2: this is a big thing for me, this is a
48:34
Speaker 2: it's you know, I can recommend things medication, supplements, you know,
48:40
Speaker 2: a bioactivator like imnage, but food is very, very important.
48:44
Speaker 2: But it's also very complicated in our society. It's uh,
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Speaker 2: is it nourishment? It is? Can it be a drug?
48:51
Speaker 2: It can? Can it be celebratory certainly? Social, yes, religious,
48:57
Speaker 2: uh huh, all of those things. And so it's really
49:00
Speaker 2: one of those things that's very individualized. So trick question.
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Speaker 2: I hope I answered it. Okay.
49:05
Speaker 1: I have friends who are vegans and they seem to
49:09
Speaker 1: go low. Is there something special about that vegan approach?
49:13
Speaker 2: Well? Again, are you a French fried vegan? Or are
49:16
Speaker 2: you doing it the right way?
49:18
Speaker 4: You know?
49:18
Speaker 2: It's like my friend made me laugh the other day
49:23
Speaker 2: because she said she was a trigan and I said, well,
49:26
Speaker 2: what's that. She's like, I'm trying to be a vegan,
49:29
Speaker 2: so she's a trigan? Well, yes, of course, I mean
49:34
Speaker 2: a lot of times. I think when somebody goes plant based.
49:37
Speaker 2: You know, plants are full phyto nutrients, right, but are
49:40
Speaker 2: full of polyphenols, I mean antioxidants. Those colors amazing, but
49:46
Speaker 2: again the quality. Are you a vegan that is like
49:49
Speaker 2: blueberry and kale forward or are you oh yeah, potato
49:53
Speaker 2: chips don't have any animal products in it, those would
49:55
Speaker 2: be good. I had a dear, dear friend was kind
50:00
Speaker 2: of like a dirty, dirty vegan. I would say, that's
50:03
Speaker 2: what I call it. And she had a really bad
50:07
Speaker 2: case of eczema, and I said, listen, I don't need
50:10
Speaker 2: to do any testing on you because I said, just
50:12
Speaker 2: give me your intake for three days. And I said,
50:15
Speaker 2: I want to just do some swaps. Not going to
50:17
Speaker 2: mess with your diet at all, like your choices, you know,
50:21
Speaker 2: her vegan lifestyle, but I do want to clean up
50:23
Speaker 2: your diet because you can be vegan and have a
50:26
Speaker 2: really bad diet, you know what I'm saying. So again
50:29
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go back to that quality.
50:31
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What about this I'm not going to say madness,
50:37
Speaker 1: but this trend that people are using drugs to lose weight,
50:42
Speaker 1: like GLP dash ones.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, how much.
50:46
Speaker 1: Time do we have go ahead, go knock ahead, please.
50:49
Speaker 2: You know, as I told you before, Victor, my job
50:51
Speaker 2: is to put myself out of business, and this whole
50:56
Speaker 2: new category of medications has just bumped my practice because
51:01
Speaker 2: I've had so many people have such severe side effects
51:04
Speaker 2: from taking these medications that it's crushing my heart to
51:08
Speaker 2: be honest with you, and I do think when we
51:11
Speaker 2: go back to what we've been talking about earlier on
51:13
Speaker 2: in the hour, there are other things that you can
51:15
Speaker 2: do that are safe and effective. You know, what stimulates
51:18
Speaker 2: GLP one better than anything. Fiber period fiber. You know
51:23
Speaker 2: we've got. I mean, I don't want to call burbering
51:26
Speaker 2: the natural ozembic because it got that tto I think
51:29
Speaker 2: TikTok made. You know, we couldn't get a wrong ingredient
51:32
Speaker 2: for burbering for months because TikTok got a hold of
51:34
Speaker 2: it and is like, oh, it's natural zombi. That's not true,
51:37
Speaker 2: That's not at all true. However, metabolically, burbering is an
51:42
Speaker 2: incredible supplement at appropriate doses, you know, and doesn't have
51:46
Speaker 2: the devastating side effects. I mean, I've had people present.
51:51
Speaker 2: I was working with a woman. Gosh, she was just
51:54
Speaker 2: just lovely and her main Her chief complaint to come
51:57
Speaker 2: to see me was anxiety, and we were rocking it.
52:00
Speaker 2: She was doing great. Well then you know again, if
52:03
Speaker 2: I don't hear from you, no knows is good news.
52:05
Speaker 2: Well she went off. Her doctor put her on one
52:09
Speaker 2: of those medications. She wanted to lose some weight. And
52:14
Speaker 2: we still have not unwounded. Like her essential tremor came back.
52:18
Speaker 2: Her anxiety is out the roof. She has the inability
52:24
Speaker 2: to move her bowels at talk about detoxification. That's the
52:27
Speaker 2: number one thing. Just get things out on a regular basis.
52:30
Speaker 2: It's you know, we've got to use those least invasive methods. First.
52:34
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
52:35
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you believe in colors, don't you. When you come
52:38
Speaker 1: to vegetables and foods, that a variety of healthy natural colors.
52:43
Speaker 2: I'm looking at my I would call it a fruit bowl,
52:45
Speaker 2: but it's really a vegetable bowl right now, so yes.
52:49
Speaker 1: And what's in that vegetable ball, if you may right.
52:51
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a Delikova squash. I do have a
52:54
Speaker 2: Japanese potato, a sweet potato in there. There's a red onion,
52:58
Speaker 2: there's a lemon, there is the lime, because that's all
53:01
Speaker 2: there's ginger and garlic, and I think there's a mango.
53:08
Speaker 2: I tend to eat a locallycemic diet just because of
53:11
Speaker 2: my previous diagnosis, but just also wanting to be metabolically
53:15
Speaker 2: sound and so keeping that you know, blood sugar stable
53:20
Speaker 2: and good. I think, is it really healthy? But those colors.
53:23
Speaker 2: When you think of colors, and I used to, you know,
53:26
Speaker 2: I grew up in the Midwest and Ohio, and I remember,
53:29
Speaker 2: you know, I was at a young age really really
53:31
Speaker 2: fascinated around health and food. And when I went to
53:35
Speaker 2: my grandma's for Thanksgiving, I was like, everything is like
53:38
Speaker 2: a little it's kind of like a shade of brown
53:41
Speaker 2: or white. You know, everything everything there was like even
53:45
Speaker 2: if it started out victor with the color, it didn't
53:48
Speaker 2: end up after you got out of it, you know,
53:50
Speaker 2: like after like I don't know, green beans with like
53:54
Speaker 2: all of the cream of mushroom soup, and they were
53:59
Speaker 2: they were agreed anymore. So colors are important that think
54:02
Speaker 2: about colors, Think about antioxidants like ImmunoGen just think about
54:08
Speaker 2: those phyto nutrients phyto means plant. Think about polyphenols, anto cyanins,
54:15
Speaker 2: all of those things that really are so important and
54:18
Speaker 2: protective to our own health.
54:20
Speaker 1: And finally, you share there are three spices that should
54:23
Speaker 1: be included in our daily diet. What are they and
54:27
Speaker 1: how do they contribute to health?
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Speaker 2: Ooh okay, well, I would say I think we just
54:34
Speaker 2: talked about them. I mean, so we think about a spice.
54:37
Speaker 2: I mean, you can get it garlic powder. But garlic
54:40
Speaker 2: is amazing as a it's from the all the Allan,
54:44
Speaker 2: the Allison family, and it's got so many health properties.
54:48
Speaker 2: I just talked about ginger as well. That amazing. You know,
54:55
Speaker 2: people are obviously familiar with ginger for anti nausea and
55:00
Speaker 2: things like that, but it's really important for digestive health.
55:05
Speaker 2: It's amazing for anybody who's experiencing any I would say heartburn,
55:11
Speaker 2: even ginger. And then my third favorite. Gosh, it's gonna
55:15
Speaker 2: be hard to choose, but I know there's a it's
55:19
Speaker 2: either you're in this category or that category. But if
55:21
Speaker 2: it doesn't taste like soap to you, cilantro and or
55:25
Speaker 2: if you want to swap with parsley, let's talk about
55:27
Speaker 2: those detoxification processes and how we can support them. Those
55:31
Speaker 2: are two live herbs that I just absolutely love, and.
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Speaker 1: Of course garlic keeps the vampires away.
55:37
Speaker 2: Yes, and we've got that too.
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Speaker 1: My guest, doctor Holly Lucille Holly, one more time, please
55:44
Speaker 1: share with our listeners where they can find that more
55:46
Speaker 1: about you and your wonderful work and also about Immunage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think the bioactivator science is so it's
55:54
Speaker 2: so compelling, and so please visit immunage dot com. It's
55:58
Speaker 2: I am M you and AH dot com and I
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Speaker 2: really really.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate that and your website, Holly, doctor Holly Seal Holly,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining us and sharing all
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Speaker 3: of this experience and this wisdom which is so important today.
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Speaker 2: You got it. Thanks for having me, Victor.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.