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WIFE OF 'BELOVED' DR. FACES DEATH AT SHEER CLIFF EDGE ON 'ROMANTIC' GETAWAY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The wife of a beloved
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  Speaker 1: doctor faces death at a sheer cliff's edge on a
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  Speaker 1: romantic getaway planned by hobby. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: The wife of a beloved doctor faces death at a
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  Speaker 1: sheer cliff's edge.
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  Speaker 2: This was a planned, meticulously planned attack.
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  Speaker 3: There is a struggle. She's grabbed by the hair and
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  Speaker 3: pushes her face into the ground. She's bleeding.
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  Speaker 4: The hikers that notified police saw lots of blood.
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  Speaker 5: Hi, I'm I'm currently beating attack on helping poly Cookah
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  Speaker 5: where there's a man trying to kill her.
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  Speaker 6: She's let all over her face. Where is his dad?
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  Speaker 6: Polly Puka the look out? Okay, so.
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  Speaker 7: Look out.
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  Speaker 5: She's on the Polypooka hike and he's currently attacking her.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, Where how far is the hike guards the entrance tire,
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  Speaker 6: We're probably like into the hike and.
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  Speaker 1: Really quickly imagine moments before you go over the edge,
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  Speaker 1: you look down and then look back up at the
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  Speaker 1: guy attacking you, brutally beating you in the face. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is a female being held down, beaten in the face,
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  Speaker 1: pushed toward a cliff edge. Who is the attacker? Not
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  Speaker 1: some thug, It's your own husband, and through your mind
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  Speaker 1: you think about your children and you look up and think,
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  Speaker 1: is this the last face I'm ever going to see
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  Speaker 1: that face? That face? What more do we learn from
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  Speaker 1: the nine to one one call from desperate hikers that
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  Speaker 1: see the attack?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, what are you seeing?
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  Speaker 5: We heard her streaming help help me, help me?
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  Speaker 6: And then we saw that over her and then she crawled.
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  Speaker 5: Out with over her face, say, trying to kill her?
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  Speaker 6: And did she know him?
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  Speaker 7: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Wearing Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What is he wearing?
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  Speaker 5: The tea shirt? White?
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  Speaker 6: She has brownish sort of curly hair, Asian Coucasian Hawaiian
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  Speaker 6: white side white guy. Yeah. And then what kind of shirt?
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  Speaker 6: T shirt?
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  Speaker 5: Maybe only my shorts?
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  Speaker 6: Pardon what kind of shorts? I didn't see you wearing
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  Speaker 6: shorts though?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of shorts? What T shirt? The woman is
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  Speaker 1: getting her brain bashed out. I'm having a hard time
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  Speaker 1: with understanding what's happening right there. Straight out to Troy Slaighton,
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  Speaker 1: joining US veteran criminal defense attorney out of the LA
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  Speaker 1: jurisdiction at Slayton, Lawyer's candidate for LA Superior court judge Troy,
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  Speaker 1: what is wrong with this? Nine one one operator Ariel
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  Speaker 1: is getting her brain beaten in and she's saying, white
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  Speaker 1: guy Asian? What what is wrong with her?
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  Speaker 8: Nancy?
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  Speaker 9: Nine one one operators go through the same training for
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  Speaker 9: every type of call. They're trained to remain calm and
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  Speaker 9: gather as many facts as necessary and to keep the
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  Speaker 9: callers on the phone so that way when emergency services arrive,
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  Speaker 9: they know exactly who the good guy is, who the
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  Speaker 9: bad guy is, and if the person has fled the scene,
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  Speaker 9: who they're looking for when they put out an APB
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  Speaker 9: and they're looking throughout and canvassing the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Veteran defense durning Troy Slayton just admitted to me that
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  Speaker 1: that's the bad guy. Let's say, when he's going to
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  Speaker 1: flip that around. I want to hear what more we
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  Speaker 1: have at than nine one one called to see what
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  Speaker 1: we can learn.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, and any you walk away from her, we sort
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  Speaker 6: of you know, he was not we were still We
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  Speaker 6: walked away because we didn't want him to talk about Okay,
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  Speaker 6: so he's still there. Yeah, they were both hiking and
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  Speaker 6: the now was she's Caucasian? What is she wearing.
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  Speaker 5: It was hard to say.
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  Speaker 6: She's covered in blood and she was crawling.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, and then so she's five and that is here
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  Speaker 5: and that is oh. The girl is here. She's wearing
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  Speaker 5: she's wearing her purple ting top.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, I've got another problem,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. That's amongst so many renowned psychoanalyst, author
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  Speaker 1: of deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock
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  Speaker 1: and Bravo, and you can find her at doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Dr Bethany, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: The woman is getting her brain smashed out. She's down,
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  Speaker 1: the husband is on top of her with a rock,
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  Speaker 1: and they say we walked way. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy. I'm happy that they call nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one. A lot of people would have just kept going.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you walk away when somebody's getting their
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  Speaker 1: brain bashed in?
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  Speaker 4: You're in Nancy. I have reviewed this scene in my
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  Speaker 4: mind so many times. You have a man with a rock,
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  Speaker 4: you have a woman underneath him, her face being bashed in, bloodied,
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  Speaker 4: and you have two females against this one man. And
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden this scene is coming into focus,
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  Speaker 4: as in the scene of shock, of trauma, of horror,
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  Speaker 4: that somebody is allegedly trying to kill somebody, and are
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  Speaker 4: you going to way into the fray? Are you going
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  Speaker 4: to call nine to one one? I have a hard
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  Speaker 4: time believing these women were walking away, as in leaving
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  Speaker 4: the scene, but perhaps walking away thinking that if they
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  Speaker 4: call the police there will be a force larger than
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  Speaker 4: them that Nancy. They must have gone through so many
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  Speaker 4: split second decisions. Do we attack him, will he attack us?
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  Speaker 4: Will he pushes over the cliff? Nancy, this was a
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  Speaker 4: very dangerous hiking trail. One very important note is that
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  Speaker 4: every hiker who went up that trail walked past a
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  Speaker 4: sign that said something to the effect of do not
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  Speaker 4: hike this trail. It is dangerous. So you have already
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  Speaker 4: people who are people who are already in a dangerous situation.
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  Speaker 4: On the other hand, you have people who are brave
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  Speaker 4: and willing to face the elements. And it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be interesting in court to see how all of that
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  Speaker 4: plays into all these split second decisions they had to make.
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  Speaker 1: Well, doctor Bethany, I know you're right, and people respond
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  Speaker 1: differently when they're faced with an illogical or dangerous situation.
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  Speaker 1: My son and I are prone to run into it,
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  Speaker 1: which is probably not always the best idea. My daughter
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  Speaker 1: wants to run into it, but she freezes. She completely freezes,
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  Speaker 1: like she's made of stuffe and that can be very dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: In this scenario, these hikers see Ariel literally getting her
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  Speaker 1: head bashed in. She's trying to crawl away. The husband
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  Speaker 1: is trying to push her over the cliff. Bill Hernandez
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  Speaker 1: joining US Domestic Violence Sex Assault Detective NAPA. Bill, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. How does it go from
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  Speaker 1: beating your wife emotionally or verbally abusing her to try
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  Speaker 1: to killing her? How do you make that leap? How
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  Speaker 1: do you take that extra step? Because typically homicide is
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  Speaker 1: not part of abuse. But what tips the scale.
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  Speaker 2: Just anger, just unmitigated rage about a situation that he's
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  Speaker 2: in or that they're in at that point in time.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, this seemed like a planned event. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: to plan that hike, and not at that on that island,
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  Speaker 2: at that steep ray taking her up there, especially after
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  Speaker 2: the alleged affair and everything else going on in their lives.
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  Speaker 2: I think he planned that and it was not just
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  Speaker 2: a happenstance argument that happened at the top of that ridge.
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  Speaker 1: At this juncture, to Alexis Tereschuk joining US Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, the case has progressed. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: a jury. What did the prosecution say in opening statement?
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  Speaker 10: They said that he attempted to kill her. They said
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  Speaker 10: that he had a rock he was bashing her head,
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  Speaker 10: and they also said that Ariel the wife, that she
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  Speaker 10: had seen him have a syringe with something in it,
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  Speaker 10: that she was afraid. She was fighting for her life
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  Speaker 10: and trying to get away from this syringe because she
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  Speaker 10: felt like he was going to stop and inject her
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  Speaker 10: with something they could kill her.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis syringe, a syringe prepared that This is like out
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  Speaker 1: of an Alex Bearnson book, The Power Couple, Right, So
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  Speaker 1: this isn't Oh, I hope you're listening, Choye Slayton. If
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  Speaker 1: what the prosecution is saying is correct, this is not
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  Speaker 1: an angry moment where he grabs a rock, because it
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  Speaker 1: kind of sounds like spur of the moment, which could
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  Speaker 1: get it reduced down to voluntary manslaughter. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: that there was a syringe, a pre prepared syringe tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that.
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  Speaker 10: So he is an anesthesiologist, and she says that as
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  Speaker 10: he was attacking her, holding her on the ground, that
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  Speaker 10: she saw him with a syringe in his hand and
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  Speaker 10: that he was trying to stabber with it, and that
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  Speaker 10: was what she was Another thing she was fighting not
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  Speaker 10: only the rock, but she was afraid of the syringe
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  Speaker 10: that he was going to stabber. And as a nanstesiologist,
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  Speaker 10: one would have to think that he would have access
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  Speaker 10: to quite a few drugs that could be lethal.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Troy Slayton, there goes your argument that this was
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  Speaker 1: a spur of the moment, angry outburst and he just
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  Speaker 1: hit her in the head with the rock. No harm,
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  Speaker 1: no foul, according to a defense attorney. But the fact
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  Speaker 1: that a syringe, according to Ariel, was used, a prepared syringe,
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  Speaker 1: that changes everything, Slaton.
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  Speaker 9: It would if a syringe was actually found at the scene. However,
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  Speaker 9: police did an exhaustive search of the entire area and
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  Speaker 9: guess what, no syringe showed up. But if you knew
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  Speaker 9: that the person that you wanted to accuse of killing
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  Speaker 9: you was an anesthesiologist, my brother is an anesthesiologist. Actually
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  Speaker 9: in the Hawaii jurisdiction, I asked him about this particular doctor,
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  Speaker 9: and he said he had a good reputation. But that aside,
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  Speaker 9: if you wanted to make.
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  Speaker 8: The story down.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, okay, you know what, stop everything. Case closed because
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  Speaker 1: Troy Slayton knows somebody that says the doctor had a
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  Speaker 1: good reputation. Okay, Well, he couldn't possibly have beaten his
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  Speaker 1: wife in the head with a rock as she tried
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  Speaker 1: to crawl away from the cliffs age. Did you actually
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  Speaker 1: just say that he's got a good reputation because your
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  Speaker 1: brother said so? Somebody told your brother what in the
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  Speaker 1: checkout line at the Piggly Wiggly. What you think I
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  Speaker 1: care about what somebody may have said to your brother,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a good reputation.
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  Speaker 9: My brother is an anesthesiologist in the Hawaii jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 8: It's a very small community.
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  Speaker 9: They're not brimming with anesthesiologists on the small islands of Hawaii.
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  Speaker 8: But I can tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe have to go hide out in Hawaii to get
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  Speaker 1: a job.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's it's paradise, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: The witnesses who called nine to one one did not
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  Speaker 9: see what happened just before he was on top of
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  Speaker 9: his wife, and his defense attorneys are arguing that she
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  Speaker 9: attacked him. I'm sorry talking, he felt himself being pushed off.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't see what happened before he was on top
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  Speaker 1: of his wife beating her with a rock. Okay, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to stop interrupting. Troy Slayton. Take it from
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  Speaker 1: the top. I want to hear the whole thing.
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  Speaker 8: Go ahead, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: His defense attorneys are arguing, look, I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 8: You weren't there.
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  Speaker 9: But his defense attorneys are arguing to this jury that
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  Speaker 9: he was actually the one that was attacked, that he
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  Speaker 9: was being pushed off the trail, that she had a
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  Speaker 9: rock in her hand and sold he picked up a
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  Speaker 9: rock and tried to defend himself and that's when the
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  Speaker 9: witnesses came onto the scene. So he was just acting
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  Speaker 9: in self defense.
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  Speaker 8: That's his defense, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Two.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned medical examiner doctor Kendall Crowns. He is the chief
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  Speaker 1: medical Examiner Terren County. That's Fort Worth never a lack
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  Speaker 1: of business. He is the star of a hit podcast,
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  Speaker 1: May Him in the More, and he is an estainmed
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  Speaker 1: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns what were arials injuries.
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  Speaker 11: From the reports, she had multiple lacerations of her face
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  Speaker 11: with blood streaming down her head. So when you pick
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  Speaker 11: up a rock, a rock causes blunt force injuries because
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  Speaker 11: it really doesn't necessarily have a sharp edge, and when
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  Speaker 11: you're striking into the skin, it splits the skin, creating
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  Speaker 11: a laceration. Now, the scalp skin is actually very vascular.
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  Speaker 11: It has a lot of blood vessels, so you'll see
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  Speaker 11: a lot of blood associated with that as well. And
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  Speaker 11: if he had kept pounding into the same area with
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  Speaker 11: the rock, he probably would have eventually crushed her skull
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  Speaker 11: and then damaged her brain.
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  Speaker 1: When you say eventually would have crushed her skull, how
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  Speaker 1: much velocity does it take to crush a human skull?
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  Speaker 1: Do you say crush do you mean crack it or
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  Speaker 1: crush it like breaking an egg.
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  Speaker 11: So the skull itself, depending on where you're striking it.
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  Speaker 11: Frontal bone is very thick, occipital bone, which is the
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  Speaker 11: back of the head, is very thick as well, but
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  Speaker 11: the temporal paridal areas on the side of the head
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  Speaker 11: are thinner. So it all depends on where you're hitting
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  Speaker 11: the skull with the rock. But if you're hitting it
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  Speaker 11: over and over and over in the same spot, you'll
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  Speaker 11: eventually kind of start crushing that bone, wearing it down,
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  Speaker 11: and then eventually breaking it. The exact velocity or the
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  Speaker 11: pounds of pressure needed to break the skull is actually
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  Speaker 11: several hundred pounds of pressure, So you have to hit
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  Speaker 11: in the proper area, basically side ahead, and then with
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  Speaker 11: the physical strength of an arm and a rock, you
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  Speaker 11: might be able to break through it. But again, it
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  Speaker 11: isn't an easy process, and you'd have to do it
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  Speaker 11: repetitively in the same area to eventually wear it down
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  Speaker 11: and break through it.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy grace Well choicely is a veteran
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  Speaker 1: in defense attorney, and he's got one thing right. This
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  Speaker 1: Hawaii doctor who bashed his wife head in with a
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  Speaker 1: rock claims it was self defense. But wait for it
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  Speaker 1: self defense over her alleged affair. Now wait, you can't
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  Speaker 1: have it both ways. Sidney Sumner joining me. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Sidney in self defense under the law, that
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  Speaker 1: means the victim, which should be ariel, attacks you first,
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  Speaker 1: then you respond with just enough force to subdue the attacker.
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  Speaker 1: The attacker in that scenario would be aerial but if
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  Speaker 1: he is enraged over her alleged sex affair, then suddenly
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  Speaker 1: it's not self sense anymore. It's revenged. So he cannot
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  Speaker 1: have his cake on his plate and eat it too.
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  Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're claiming both Sydney Sumner.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, I don't think a jury and this situation is
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  Speaker 12: going to believe for one second that this husband was
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  Speaker 12: only acting in self defense.
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  Speaker 3: The story goes. The defensive story goes.
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  Speaker 13: They were hiking this beautiful trail, and despite spending this
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  Speaker 13: time together over this weekend trying to rekindle their relationship,
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  Speaker 13: Ariel brought.
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  Speaker 3: Up that she was going to have to see her
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  Speaker 3: affair partner, a married man, at work, when they return
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  Speaker 3: from this trip. At that point, Koenig threatened to expose
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  Speaker 3: this affair to all of her family and friends, making
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  Speaker 3: Ariel angry. That's when Ariel tried to push him off
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  Speaker 3: the cliff then hit him in the face with the rock.
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  Speaker 3: So Koenig says, he responds by pushing Ariel to the
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  Speaker 3: ground and hitting her in the face with the rock twice.
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  Speaker 3: So again, I mean twice versus once. These syringes have
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  Speaker 3: not been found, but neither has Ariel's belongings that she
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  Speaker 3: brought with her on the trail. So we have one
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  Speaker 3: trail and two very different stories, and these defense attorneys
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  Speaker 3: are trying to convince the jury that Koenik acted correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this, Sidney Sumner, who was
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  Speaker 1: trying to crawl away from the cliff's edge when the
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  Speaker 1: hikers appeared. Ariel, Oh, okay, So she was the one
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  Speaker 1: being dragged to the cliff's edge, not him. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: That's what the hiker saw, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: And also Sidney Sumner. What were his injuries?
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  Speaker 3: We saw photos in court of some bruising on the
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  Speaker 3: left side of doctor Koenig's face.
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  Speaker 1: Did he get admitted to the hospital?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Did she get admitted in the hospital.
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  Speaker 3: Of course she did. Ariel spent time in the hospital. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know any more about her injuries?
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  Speaker 3: I know. The defense is arguing that Conig clearly didn't
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  Speaker 3: intend to kill her because she just had this headlock
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  Speaker 3: that bled a lot. It looked really bad. But the
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  Speaker 3: mom didn't experience any kind of brain injury. She did
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  Speaker 3: not have a concussion. There was no further injury.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the defense is saying, correct, Sidney have you
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  Speaker 1: ever seen the Wizard of Oz or read it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, do you recall when the Wizard such as he
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  Speaker 1: is said, don't look behind the curtain, look up there
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  Speaker 1: at the man the image, look there, don't look here.
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  Speaker 1: So they're saying, don't look at all the blood streaming
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  Speaker 1: down her face, don't look at her skull being cracked,
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  Speaker 1: don't look at any of that. Look at what I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you, and I'm telling you she did not suffer
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  Speaker 1: a serious injury. Is that what's happening? Exactly?
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  Speaker 3: What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Almon, last question too, Alexis Tereshchuk joining US Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter. Isn't it true that Dr Koenig fled
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  Speaker 1: the scene and hid out in the woods all Eric Rudolph,
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  Speaker 1: the Olympic bomber until idiot then came out of the
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  Speaker 1: woods and got busted by the cops. Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, that is true, one hundred percent. He because these
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  Speaker 10: two women came upon them and they found him on
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  Speaker 10: top of his wife hitting them. These two women. He
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  Speaker 10: wasn't stopping. She was screaming, screaming, He wasn't stopping. And
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  Speaker 10: if it wasn't for these two hikers who heard her screaming.
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  Speaker 10: They came up, but they said they were so afraid
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  Speaker 10: of him. He looked so scary that they backed off,
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  Speaker 10: and they obviously very quickly called nine one one, But
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  Speaker 10: they were afraid of him. They said that he was
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  Speaker 10: very scary, looking, very intimidating. He had a dark, cold
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: look in his eyes, and they were afraid for their
• 20:12
  Speaker 10: own safety, so they backed off. That's after That's when
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: he was able to run away for quite a while.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Alexis Trescheck. I'm glad you told me that, because I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: was wondering, how can you leave when you see a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: woman getting killed? Just walk away? I didn't understand that,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but they were afraid for their own lives, and frankly,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I don't blame them. Straight back to Troy Slayton, Troy
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: is a veteran trial lawyer, and you're about to learn
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: why he wins so many cases. I predict he's not
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: going to ask answer the question I'm going to ask him.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: But Troy Slayton, isn't it true that under the law,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the force you use and self defense is extremely relative
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: relevant to using the defense of self defense? In other words,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: if I come slap you. You cannot then pull out
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: an oozy and shoot me. Do you agree with that?
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: I agree with that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: If you're going to use deadly force, you have to
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: believe that you were an imminent danger for your life.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: So you had to have a reasonable fear of imminent
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: bodily harm or death him.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: So I'm currently beating attacked on helping Polypuka where there's
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: a man trying to kill her, to pull it all
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: over her face?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Where is his dad? Polly Pucha the hikes?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, so.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Look out, she's on the Polly Pooka hike and he's
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: he's currently attacking her. Okay, where how far is the hike?
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Guards the entrance wire? We're probably like five minutes into
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: the hike, and really quickly, okay.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: What are you seeing?
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: We heard her.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: And then we talked that over her, and then she
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: crawled out over her face saying that I'm trying to
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: kill her and did she know him?
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine the terror that must have coursed through
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: her body looking down at that great height on a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: very narrow trail. After a brutal beating with a rock
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to her skull, she fought back.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: She refused to be pushed off this cliff, and that's
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: why people cannot believe that this happens.
• 22:35
  Speaker 14: Gearhart Koenig takes off into the woods, covered in blood
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: from the brutal attack on his wife. Koenig facetimes his
• 22:42
  Speaker 14: adult son, Emil, who is shocked and concerned from his
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: father's appearance. Koenig tries to explain what happened, but stops
• 22:50
  Speaker 14: mid sentence and says, I just tried to kill ari
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: but she got away. Koenig also tells Emil he wants
• 22:57
  Speaker 14: to jump off the cliffs and kill himself.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Alexis Terestjuk, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, Alexis,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: did I just hear he fled into the woods and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: called his son and said I just tried to kill Ariel.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Please tell me that very slowly. Are you listening, Slayton.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: It's very true.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: He fled, he called his son, and he literally said,
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: I just tried to kill mommy. He was away for
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: quite a while. These women that had found them, they
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: were actually, as you heard them say, they were like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: oh my gosh, she's coming this way, like they were
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: very scared. But he went into the woods. And this
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: is a tropical jungle, as Troy and his brother know.
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: This isn't a wooded area like the south or the
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: East coast. You do it, this beautiful, luscious tropical area.
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: And he fled into there and hid out for quite
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: a while, but he still had self service and he
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: was able to make this call from there.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand, alexis is it true or has
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it come out yet that he positioned his wife at
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the cliff's edge to do a selfie.
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: I believe that that is what has been alleged, but
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: I don't believe that has come out in the trial yet.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: But yes, that is what it is, and that then
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: he attacked her there. That is part of the prosecution's there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: But I'm not sure that has been presented in fort.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You has it, Sydney Sumner? Has that come out yet?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I would think that the prosecution would say that in
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: opening statements because it's straight out of a Lifetime Scared
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of the Chick movie where the husband or lover love
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: interest positions the woman at the very cliff's edge. Oh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: just a little further, a little further so we can
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: get a really good shot of us together and then bam,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: she's over the edge. What do we know? Did that
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: come out in opening?
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Said? Yes, this did come out in opening statements, Nancy,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: And we even saw a body cam from a responding
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: officer that laid this scene for us. So we know
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: that Ariel took a photo in a tree. We saw
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that big tree branch where she sat up there. They
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: took a photo, and then her husband asked her to
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: come to the cliff's edge and take another picture with him,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and Ariel was very uncomfortable with this. She was already
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: feeling scared. At some point she scooted herself down the
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: trail when officers came to help her. So she was
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: already terrified being on this trail, this steep cliff's edge,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: and she argued with him. She said, I'm not comfortable
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: with that, and that's when they say her husband said
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sick of your shit and pushed her towards the
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: edge of the cliff.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it enough? I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, again, this
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: is straight out of a lifetime scary movie that he
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: got her to take pictures up in a tree. If
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: my husband said get up in the train, I'm gonna
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: take a picture. I'm gonnay, you get up in the trail,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: take your picture, get up in a tree. Anyway, she
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: did it, and that maneuvering her closer and closer to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the edge. I mean that sets all sorts of red
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: bells of alarm to me.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: The fact is, if you're in a good, loving, safe
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: relationship with a husband, first of all, he's not going
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: to put you in a dangerous situation on a dangerous trail.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: He's not going to put you at the edge of
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: a cliff.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: But women, Doctor Bethany, Doctor Bethany, let's put her up, please,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. As you know, David and I took our
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: son John David to tour Notre Dame. Yes, we practically
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: had a knockdown drag out on the escalator at the
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: airport because he I was doing things and he was right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Let's just start with I know he was right. I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was trying to do something. Time to take a picture
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of John David going down the escalator the guts to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: put in my scrap book after the Notre Dame tour,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and he had a fit behind me, as I like
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to say, in front of God and everybody, to hold
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on to the escalator, which of course is covered with germs.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: But that said much less get me to pose at
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff. Hey not it up because
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't have my hand on the rail at the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: escalator and he wanted you to. It would be a
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: totally out of character for a loving husband to get
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you closer and closer and closer to the edge of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a cliff, you.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Know, Nancy. Furthermore, to put you on a dangerous hiking
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: trail to let me see the other signs of DV
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: or domestic violence, the fact that he believes she's having
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: an affair, and then he calls every single relative to
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: tell on her. This is such a part of a
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: toxic relationship to try to discredit the wife in front
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: of everybody, ruin her reputation, put messages out online. I'm
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: not sure if he did that, but that's one thing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: According to court testimony, he also screamed because they have
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: a two and a four year old, only one of
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: us is going to parent them, so it says already
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: in his mind that he's allegedly going to push her
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: over that cliff.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Nancy.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Women who are DV victims, they predict their pending death
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: to other people. We know that they often say or
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: they'll write notes or letters if I'm discovered dead.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: He did it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: The fact that she refused to go to the edge
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: of the cliff tells me that she already knew that
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: she was at risk of homicide in this marriage and
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: if divorce was even being talked about Nancy. We also
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: know women are at the greatest risk of violence and
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: death when they are about to leave a relationship. According
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: to some reports, he was actually stalking her in the relationship.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: He was going online looking at her private financial affairs.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: This was the second marriage for both of them. He
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: was even looking up what the cost of his last
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: divorce was. This came out in testimony and in opening statements.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: That tells me that he was already thinking do I
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: want to divorce her or do I want to kill her?
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Divorce kill? Well, the divorce is going to cost a
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: lot more. I've already been through it. I don't want
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: to do it again, Nancy. He also acute used her
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of spending one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars of
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: their joint funds. But what has also come out is
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: that she was paying the mortgage payment the son's tuition,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: paying off marital debts. So right there, even in court,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: he's trying to discredit her, trying to say she has
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: an affair. This is like Nicole Brown Simpson who's hanging
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: out with Ron Goldman because she needs a friend because
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: her husband's no longer her friend. All of a sudden,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the friend is being seen as an affair person even
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: though they're not. So there's so much more I could say,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: but the toxicity of the relationship is saying shock.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, say it go ahead. Where's more to say?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I want to hear it?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: The more to say also is that he was on
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: public forums looking up affairs, like what it means when
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: somebody's having an affair. So the question that entered my
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: mind is perpetrators of domestic violence usually have pathological jealousy.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: They always believe that the wife is having an affair
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: always So were the forums because he was already preparing
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: a defense if he was.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Going to kill her?
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Or was the forum because he was consumed with jealousy
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and nancy? He looked at these sites right around Christmas
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: in New Year's the time that families should be enjoying
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: each other in celebrating. He's just consumed with the idea
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: she's having an affair. And in court, in opening statements,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: her attorneys said, there might be some flirty texts, there's
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: nothing salacious, there's nothing sexual. I think he was already
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: heading off the defense when he said flirty, because domestic
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: violence perpetrators always think their wives are flirting with other people,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: even when they are not.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Bill Hernandez is joining us. He is a domestic violence expert,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a detective in napa's PD. Bill Hernandez, you heard everything,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany said, Agree or disagree?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Oh? I absolutely agree. I mean there's a bunch of
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: red flags that Ariel has for potential homicide, the accusation
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: of a received affair, them getting ready to leave each other,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: them having metal problems. Those are all big red flags.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: And this was obviously maybe even an issue of him projecting,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: which often suspects in domestic violence stew They accuse others
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of doing exactly what they're doing themselves.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You mean, for instance, the husband would say you're sleeping
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: around when he's sleeping around.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, they do that quite often.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Why, Bethany, or you've drained our bank account? When really
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: they're draining the bank account. The reason why, Nancy, is
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: that these men they want to control the wives. They
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: see the wives as objects who should not have any
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: dependence or autonomy. And a part of the control is
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I get to do what I want to do, but
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: you can't do what you want to do. And the
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: fact that he accuses her of draining their accounts tells
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: me that she wasn't even in charge of the finances,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: which is a part of the abuse process that if
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the wife even tries to touch mutual funds for any reason,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: she's accused of dissipating marital funds. And this is another
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: projection I think. I think what's going to come out
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: is perhaps he was having an affairs, Perhaps he was
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: dissipating marital funds. He had, I think, allegedly complete control.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: But Nancy, it's a projection. You're cheating, when in fact
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I'm cheating. But it's much more nefarious and deep. It's
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: that if you enjoy anybody, if somebody sees your beauty,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: my control over you might slip. But I don't care
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: at all if I have affairs, because I lack empathy
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: towards you, and you're just an object. So I'm going
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: to go out in fact that horrible feeling of jealousy.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I have reverse it into you by having sex with
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: other women, and then you're going to see how it feels.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: But it's all in their head, Nancy, it's all made up.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: To Troy's Lton joining us veteran defense attorney who has
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: won a lot of cases. Troy, just take off your
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: defense hat.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Just a moment.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I'm taking off my prosecution hat. You know the saying
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the love of money is the root of all evil.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's not money is the root of all evil. It's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the love of money is the root of all evil.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: How many cases do you see where people fight and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: kill over money?
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: It happens every single day, Nancy, and it is one
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: of the causes of a lot of disagreements among married
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: people and even people that aren't married. Money tends to
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: be the cause of disagreements all over the world.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Okay, what do you see? We heard her streaming and
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: then we saw that over her and then she crawled
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: out with over her face that I'm trying to kill
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: her And did she know him?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Fighting off a syringe attack, being bludgeoned
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: in the face and head with a rock, looking at
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: death on the edge of that cliff. They appeared to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: be a perfect couple. What is it about a romantic
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: getaway that inspires murder? Straight out to Alexis Rieschak, Crime
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Story's investigative reporter on the Cohoni case from the very beginning, Alexis,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: thanks for being with us tonight. Is it true that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Koenig the husband Koenig broke down broke down in court
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: when his lawyer described a facetimed call afterwards that he
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Conig had with his son. For Konig said he wanted
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to commit suicide, and he was calling to say goodbye
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and tell him he was sorry, that he wished he
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: had been a better man. I wish it too. Prosecutors
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: are calling the conversation a confession because he also said
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: at the time, I'm not going to make it back.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I tried to care kill Ariel, but she got away.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Is the son the one he said that to.
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: Yes, it's his son from another marriage. He has two
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: young children, they're two and four with Ariel. This is
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: a son from he's older and he facetimed him and
• 35:35
  Speaker 10: did this. And the thing was he absolutely had such
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: a reaction in court, he started crying, wiping tears away.
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: He's like leaned over and just crying at his own
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: phone call that he had with his son. Not really
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: with other things, but this really hit him. This is
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: when he just starts boohooing as the details.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Of the life.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, really, Troy, do you have to work with your client?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Do you have to go eat and pinch them to
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: get them to start crying in court?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It starts in court. He starts crying when he's talking
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: about his suicide attempt Nancy.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: He's being accused of doing something that if you believe
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: his defense attorneys and look, again, we weren't there, then
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: this would be the most traumatic thing that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: Could possibly happen.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Every time I ask you a question, you remind me
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there. Of course, we weren't there.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: Because that's the whole, that's the animal, is to find
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: the truth. A trial is a search for the truth.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: And we weren't there. The hikers who came upon him
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: and called nine one one, they weren't there at the beginning.
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: Nobody knows except those two people, and so that's what hopefully.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: They well is it? When I ask you a tough question.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You say you weren't there, Okay, Can we just stipulate
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I wasn't there? Okay, I admit I wasn't there. What
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I ask you is why Coneg starts when they're talking
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: about his call to his son where he was contemplating
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: suicide that made him start crying, not bashing his wife's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: skull in he starts.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Crying if you're so old.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: They're talking about him and what he's been through, fragile skull,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was fragile if he.
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: Was in such a fragile emotional state, if he believed
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: his wife was number one potentially having an affair number
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: two trying to kill him.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: That didn't make him cry.
• 37:39
  Speaker 9: That he's calling his son talking about wanting to just
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: end his whole life.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then having to relive that moment. That's psychological trauma.
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: In that moment, of course, you're going to start crying.
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: Any normal person with normal emotions would cry in that
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: moment when you think that your entire world is and collapsing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I say to that choice Layton, He's crying,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: all right, He's crying because he's sorry. He's not sorry
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he did it. He's sorry he got caught. I mean,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: dtor Bethany Marshall, you're the shrink, you're the doctor. But
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: how telling is it that he turns on the waterworks
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: in court when they're talking about his mental suffering, that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: he wanted to end it all? Now, you would probably
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: call that histrionic, that's one of your words. I would
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: call it him being a drama queen, That's what I
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: would call it, and in front with Jurie blubbering and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: snotting like that.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: You know, Nancy, I saw that footage I did. I
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: watched him breakdown in court. It seemed very manufactured, dramatic
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: and yes, historyonic, because histrionics is really emotions that appear
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: deep in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: just designed to get attention. And Nancy, can you imagine
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: if he had succeeded in killing his wife and he
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: was left to parent those two sons, and he treated
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: the two and four year old like he treated the
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: nineteen year old. He calls his own son says, I'm
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: now going to kill myself. He's covered in blood. This
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: means he's using, he's manipulating and exploiting his nineteen year
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: old for his own purposes. He's trying to get empathy
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: from his own son. This is just one more tell
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: in a larger situation of somebody who's extremely self self possessed,
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: just only pure himself, selfish, thank you, someone who is
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: extremely self absorbed and really doesn't care about his nineteen
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  Speaker 4: year old son nor anybody else.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: What a sharp dichotomy where we are today and where
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it all started. Listen.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: Gerhard Konig, an anesthesiologist and professor at the University of
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: Pittsburgh Medical Center, falls head over heels for nuclear power
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: plant project engineer Aril, despite their ten year age gap.
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  Speaker 7: Gerhart and Aril are married in twenty eighteen, have their
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: first baby boy in twenty twenty, and another two years later.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: In twenty twenty three, the couple decides to follow one
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: of Gerhart's dreams and move from Pennsylvania to Maui, Hawaii.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: Gerhardt becomes a partner at the Anesthesia Medical Group and
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: frequently works at Maui Memorial Medical Center, while Aril retains
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: her job at Tara Power.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It starts off so beautifully, and then the children come along.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: But I want you to hear how this accusation of
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: infidelity played out.
• 40:47
  Speaker 15: The Koenigs have been in couples therapy for at least
• 40:49
  Speaker 15: three months. After Gerhard Konig accuses Ariel of infidelity in December.
• 40:54
  Speaker 15: Ariel denies his accusations and doesn't understand where they're coming from.
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: She wants her husband's trust back, but it seems Gerhart
• 41:01
  Speaker 15: is only becoming more jealous, controlling, and at times abusive.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that goes back to what Bill Hernandez was
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: telling us, who is an expert in domestic violence and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: sex assaults, a detective in NAPAs PD in California, about
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: how while you may be having an affair, you blame
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: your mate of having the affair. Here he is blaming
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: her Dr Bethany. She denies it and they commit. She
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: commits to couple's therapy. They've been it for three months
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: so she can prove her innocence. A pretty onerous burden
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to always having to be proving yourself that you're worthy
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of your husband.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what's being reported, is that she's trying to
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: earn back his trust. That doesn't fit any pattern I
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: see as a couple's therapist, that the wife is trying
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: to earn back the trust, not not somebody who's a
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: new engineer, successful, beautiful, big life, surrounded by family and friends.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: This doesn't sound right. What's more likely in the treatment
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: is that she brought him in because she could no
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: longer bear all the accusations and that their home life
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: was spinning out of control. And if he was trying
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: to discredit her to her family and friends, he was
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: probably fighting in front of the two and four years
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: year old. I would imagine that there were concerns in
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: her mind as a mother about what was happening in
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: that household. I would guess she was losing control in
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: multiple areas. She was probably losing privacy. He perhaps was
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: breaking into her phone. I think that's been reported somewhere,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: monitoring her whereabouts. According to one report, he was actually
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: stalking and surveilling her and Nancy. Seventy six percent of
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: all stalking happens during a marriage while two people are married.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: We think of it as happening. You know, you go
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: out on a date with somebody, you don't want to
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: date them again, and all of a sudden they become
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: preoccupied and that said start they start stalking you. That's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: not really how it goes down. You get married to
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: somebody you fall in love and you realize that that
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: beneath the surface is somebody who's pathologically jealous. So they
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: become preoccupied with you, and in fact they might want
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: to kill you because if you're dead, they don't have
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: to live with their own tortuous fantasies anymore. And then
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that becomes a strong motiv motivator towards homicide.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: So for her thirty sixth birthday, he the husband as
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Troy's lightness, quick to remind us, who has a great reputation,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: whisks Ariel away to celebrate. He secretly plans the romantic vacation,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and he even has family members hire nannies to stay
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: with their two little children all their way.
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: And then this the morning of Ariel's actual birthday, the
• 43:52
  Speaker 14: couple decides to hike the Polypool Betrail, the popular trail
• 43:56
  Speaker 14: up the ridge of the Kaolau Mountains leads to the
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: polyp Puka, which literally translates to cliffhole of gorgeous rock
• 44:04
  Speaker 14: formation framing the east side of the Wahoo. Despite the
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: amazing views, the cliff hugging trail is thin and steep,
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: with many choosing to not go all the way to
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: the top. Ariel wants to brave it, but when she
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: sees the last uphill stretch, she chooses to stay where
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: she is, waiting for Gearhart as he completes it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I height to a lot of trails before I had
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the twins, and I've got to tell you, can I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: see that one more time? Please control room. That is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a treacherous trail right there. It doesn't look like it
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: right there, but the angle they're going up, up, up,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and then the trail turns into roots, a lot of
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: roots going upward. Hold it just keep going, keep going.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Right there, it starts to get really tricky. And the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: further up you go, the more treacherous the footing. That
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: is where he led her. And isn't it true, Alexis
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Teruschuk that there are signs after signs after signs that
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: say don't go on this trail again. It's like Wizard
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: of Oz, turn back, don't come here.
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: Yes, it's a very very it's super steep. And if
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: you can see it in this in this video, which
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: is the police officer walking the trail, and he says
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: during court, he says, you know, I'm not just hiking
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: this trail because it's hard. You see him, you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: so he says, I'm looking for all the evidence around
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: this trail. So they were there. It's super steep. There
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: are lots of signs everybody. But this isn't just a
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: walk on the path and overlook the ocean. This this
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: is a serious thing. And that's there's her sweater that
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: they found, there's.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: One of the rocks.
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: They found a lot of evidence there because he fled,
• 45:53
  Speaker 10: she got help and the police were able to go
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: and look at the scene immediately after it happened.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Is it true what Troy Slayton said that the syringe
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was never found, alexis that is true?
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: It has never been found. She alleges that he had
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: one that he tried to stabber with it. I think
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: she said, maybe it got knocked away. He tried again,
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: but he did leave the site. He left for quite
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: a while. He was gone, and several of her things
• 46:20
  Speaker 10: are missing as well, so not just the syringe that
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: she says there, but several of her personal items are
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: missing as well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Chroice Layton, you've got your toe in the door right there.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Because her story includes him pulling a syringe. The fact
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that the syringe was never found, the defense can now
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: say not that I believe it that all of her
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: story is fantastical and made up just because he likedly
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: threw the syringe. It probably went over the cliff. They'll
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: never find it. But the truth is, you get one
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: jiar to believe if she's made up a part of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: her story, then they can discount all of her testimony.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: That is the law. If even one part of a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: witness's story, their credibility is successfully attacked, the jury, under
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: the law is allowed to discount the testimony in its entirety.
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: You almost cited the jury instruction exactly correct, Nancy. And
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: that's exactly what the judge will tell And that's the
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: jurors at the end of this case, and that's exactly
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: what the defense attorneys will harp on and dial in on.
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: If you find that a witness has.
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: Not been truthful in any part of their testimony, you
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: can disregard every single thing that they said. And that's
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: exactly what his defense attorneys are going to do. They're
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: going to blow it up on the big screen. They're
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: going to blow up every word of that journey instruction.
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: On cross examination, the defense attorneys are going to ask
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: the police officer, did you conduct a thorough and complete investigation.
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: Did you search the entire area carefully in order to
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: corroborate your victims story?
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: And the cop then is in a catch twenty two.
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: Either he did complete a thorough investigation and no such
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: syringe existed, or he didn't complete a thorough investigation, which
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: means that his testimony is suspect.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Troy Slaton, there's more than just two alternatives. There's
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: another alternative. Well, there are, mini, but I could easily
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: defeat that the syringe went over the cliff side and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: even though the police conducted a thorough and sifting search,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they couldn't find it because it is forever lost. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I'd like to point out a recent development in court.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: After the trip, Ariel found propofaal that Michael Jackson said
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: propofol in their home and she saved it and handed
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: it over, and there's a big argument about whether that
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: propofol will be allowed in evidence, which gives me a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: clue as to what was in that syringe. I am
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: not giving the defendant a gold star for getting rid
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: of the syringe. That's not happening, not today, Troyce Layton.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And in response to your argument, I would just keep
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: telling the jury She's the one that went in the hospital.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: He ran into the woods. Now you decide who is
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: at fault. We wait as justice unfolds, and we remember
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: an American hero, Captain Curtis Angst US Air Force, just
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: thirty years old, killed in Iraq, leaving behind a wife,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: now widow, Mary, American hero Captain Curtis Angst, Nancy Grace
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend.