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The Week That Was – 10th February 2023 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: This time for the week that was joining me in
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  Speaker 1: the studio this morning. We have got the CoP's Murray
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  Speaker 1: Claire booth Be Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the independent member for goid O Kezier Puric,
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Keezier.
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  Speaker 3: Morning Katie, Morning bush people.
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  Speaker 1: And we have got Selena Rubo who's the Minister for
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs and various other portfolios.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Good.
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  Speaker 5: Morning Katie, and happy Friday to the listeners.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, happy Friday. Now we know that well everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Is converging on Alice Springs by the sounds of things
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  Speaker 1: this morning, as I understand it, the whole not the
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  Speaker 1: whole Labor caucus because Selena, but Leah and O pi
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  Speaker 1: Aio as well also down there. I understand the Minister
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  Speaker 1: for Indigenous Affairs Linda Bernie as well as Melanderrie McCarthy
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  Speaker 1: Marie instrum Jaw obviously lives there. But a whole raft
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  Speaker 1: of Polly's converging on Alice Springs today collective.
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  Speaker 3: For a group of labor politicians, I wonder, good question.
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  Speaker 4: I'll let our listeners decide.
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  Speaker 3: Labor politicians might Lina.
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  Speaker 4: Sarah as well, but not with them.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's certainly certainly a lot of people there,
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  Speaker 1: and good in the sense that there is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a real focus on Alice. How come you're how
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  Speaker 1: come you get to grace us with your presence this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Selena Katie.
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  Speaker 6: I was down in our springs for a couple of
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  Speaker 6: days last week and just to I guess, give a
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  Speaker 6: bit of a balance, we wanted to make sure there
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  Speaker 6: was somebody in the top end still, So the rest
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  Speaker 6: of the team down in Alice Springs, the whole labor
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  Speaker 6: caucus and I'm minding the top end.
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  Speaker 4: Good stuff. Well, we are really pleasing to hear Chief
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  Speaker 4: for the top end.
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  Speaker 2: For the top.
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  Speaker 7: Joshu Waere, Bergwyn and bill Yan are there too because
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  Speaker 7: they live there.
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  Speaker 4: We live there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly the wrong they are now they feel
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  Speaker 1: likes fishing in my election a lot. Let's take a
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  Speaker 1: look at the alcohol bands that we know are going
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  Speaker 1: to be reinstated across the Northern Territory, preventing the sale
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  Speaker 1: of alcohol to people living in town camps and remote communities.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously the Northern Territory Chief Minster made that announcement well,
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  Speaker 1: caving to what had been mounting pressure amid a crime
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  Speaker 1: and alcohol crisis in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 4: It was a much needed about face. I've got to
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  Speaker 4: say that legislation.
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  Speaker 1: Being brought forward at next week's First Northern Territory Parliamentary sittings,
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  Speaker 1: and the bands will only be lifted then, So obviously
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  Speaker 1: the band goes into play and they'll only be lifted
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  Speaker 1: by understanding is if sixty percent of residents vote in
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  Speaker 1: favor of an alcohol management plan once it's developed, Selena,
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  Speaker 1: step in the right direction. From your perspective as the
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  Speaker 1: Minister for Indigenous.
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  Speaker 6: Affairs, Katie, it's definitely clear that Alice Springs and Central
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  Speaker 6: Australia do need a respite, but there are other parts
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  Speaker 6: of the territory which are struggling with the changes. So overall,
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  Speaker 6: in terms of minimizing the harm to all of the communities,
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  Speaker 6: all of the constituents that we represent, whether where labor,
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  Speaker 6: where colp or independence, the decision has been made to
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  Speaker 6: bring forward this legislation next week in the first sittings.
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  Speaker 6: I mean some of the things that aren't talked about
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  Speaker 6: publicly is when we did when the Stronger Futures Act
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  Speaker 6: did cease, and some said on the seventeenth of July
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  Speaker 6: last year twenty twenty two, three hundred and ninety three
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  Speaker 6: communities and homelands did revert back to general restricted areas.
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  Speaker 6: So no one's talking about those communities because the restrictions
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  Speaker 6: remained in place after the sun setting.
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  Speaker 3: But is that under round to collect.
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  Speaker 6: That's under the previous prior to the intervention, there were
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  Speaker 6: general restricted areas. This has been retained because there were
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  Speaker 6: no changes during that that intervention period.
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  Speaker 4: So guess the big difference has been this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what we've seen in Central Australia and what
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  Speaker 1: we've seen in Alice Springs has been horrifying. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the statistics that have come out obviously from that report.
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  Speaker 4: As well, were absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Even when you look, you know, you look at the
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  Speaker 1: rates of domestic violence, you look at the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you've got the emergency emergency presentations of women with severe
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  Speaker 1: injury from what was in that report, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the fact that there's kids on the street,
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  Speaker 1: you look at the property crime as well, So in
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  Speaker 1: all areas, whatever was happening was not working. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think I note that you said that you know that
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  Speaker 1: this is the best way forward because it is for
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  Speaker 1: right across the northern territory. Do you think that if
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  Speaker 1: we'd have kept just the restrictions that are in place
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  Speaker 1: at the moment, the couple of days a week where
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  Speaker 1: you can only get where you can't get takeaway alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: do you think we would have seen some of those
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  Speaker 1: issues spread across the territory.
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  Speaker 6: I think, Katie, there's a difference when you're looking at
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  Speaker 6: the temporary measures and the medium and the long term
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  Speaker 6: measures and what the impact is for any decisions around
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  Speaker 6: restrictions or prohibition. We know prohibition doesn't work, but in
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  Speaker 6: terms of providing that respite and the opportunity to have
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  Speaker 6: communities or homelands or townships decide how alcohol is managed
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  Speaker 6: or accessed.
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  Speaker 5: People don't talk about ten and Creek.
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  Speaker 6: It's been living under alcohol restrictions for many many years.
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  Speaker 6: They've had the three to seven and then that's it
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  Speaker 6: for many many years. So when talking about Catherine, we
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  Speaker 6: have restrictions two to eight on a weekday, eleven to
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  Speaker 6: eight on a on a weekend. So there are those
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  Speaker 6: restrictions around other parts of the territory, which is around
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  Speaker 6: limiting the access to alcohol. But I mean the piece
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  Speaker 6: that really needs to come to light here is education
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  Speaker 6: around alcohol. If you've had people who have not been
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  Speaker 6: able to access alcohol for many, many years and then
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  Speaker 6: suddenly are able to, then you know there's got to
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  Speaker 6: be a piece of education around safe drinking. And I
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  Speaker 6: don't think generally, not just the territory but Australia as
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  Speaker 6: a country does that well.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think then taking that into account, do
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  Speaker 1: you think then the decision that was made six months
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  Speaker 1: ago to when the Stronger Futures legislation ended to go,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well, you know it's everybody is able to
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  Speaker 1: then access alcohol without having that educational without having those
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  Speaker 1: agreements in place for the various locations.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it was the wrong move?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think there's two parts, Katie.
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  Speaker 6: Because people could still access alcohol if they are in
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  Speaker 6: Ala Springs, whether you're an Our Springs local or a
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  Speaker 6: visited at Alice Springs, you can still access alcohol legally
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  Speaker 6: and that didn't change because of Stronger Futures As a
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  Speaker 6: town ship, retailers stores a license, pubs a license, so
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  Speaker 6: you can still access alcohol. The difference of the concern
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  Speaker 6: is around what were changes were there was there further
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  Speaker 6: harm happening on communities that were dry areas that then
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  Speaker 6: became wet under the legislation changes. I mean, we've got
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  Speaker 6: seventy three Aboriginal communities, we've got six hundred homelands across
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  Speaker 6: the territory and our major town centers as well. So
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  Speaker 6: we're talking about process in time for local decision making.
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  Speaker 6: I have a community in my electorate, three hundred people.
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  Speaker 6: It took them two years, a two year process to
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  Speaker 6: really consult with all three hundred traditional owners as well
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  Speaker 6: as people meet people who live in that community. A
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  Speaker 6: two year process to then get an alcohol license for
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  Speaker 6: a social club. So the social club's not built yet,
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  Speaker 6: but the two year process has been around community consultation.
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  Speaker 6: So you think about that su where everybody was happy,
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  Speaker 6: making sure that the arrangements through the license application was
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  Speaker 6: something that everybody agreed to.
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  Speaker 5: And that's a thing that's that's too fast with the
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  Speaker 5: other stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a big question.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like Mariyan Scrimjaw has been out and been
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  Speaker 1: really quite, you know, vocal. She's really stood up and
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  Speaker 1: said that, you know, what we'd done was wrong. We
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  Speaker 1: had to be listening to Indigenous women and children and
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  Speaker 1: making sure that they were safe.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do you like. I guess what I'm getting to.
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  Speaker 1: Is, do you, as the Indigenous Affairs Minister for the Territory,
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  Speaker 1: feel that we made a misstep here based on some
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  Speaker 1: of those statistics that were in that report.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean we can't paint every person and community
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  Speaker 6: in no one is remote as a you know, under
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  Speaker 6: a one brush, and there are very.
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  Speaker 5: Different voices around alcohol.
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  Speaker 6: We talk about that here in town, we talk about
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  Speaker 6: it in regional town centers like Catherine where I live,
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  Speaker 6: and we.
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  Speaker 5: Talk about it in remote context as well.
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  Speaker 6: So the time to be able to create alcohol or
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  Speaker 6: community managed plans around alcohol does need that time and
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  Speaker 6: the buffer.
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  Speaker 5: I mean we're playing catch up.
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  Speaker 6: We had ten years where we had federal governments who
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  Speaker 6: absolutely said no to community alcohol and plans.
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  Speaker 5: So that space in.
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  Speaker 6: Between of being able to play catch up, I mean
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  Speaker 6: there's more communities to be able to provide that time
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  Speaker 6: of the example I said, you know, a two year
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  Speaker 6: process just for one community of three hundred people being
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  Speaker 6: able to replicate that around the territory.
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  Speaker 5: It does take time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean. The hard thing is though this week, I
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  Speaker 1: think what people have really expected from the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: government this week is a you know, look, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: did get it wrong, Maybe we rushed through this admission,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we didn't ate it right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also Katie, sorry to interrupt yourself, it just
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  Speaker 3: jumped into my mind. Also to admit that there's a huge,
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  Speaker 3: big problem down in Central Australia and smaller problems elsewhere.
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  Speaker 3: At this point in time, the focus is on Central Australia,
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  Speaker 3: shall we.
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  Speaker 2: Call it, And.
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  Speaker 3: It takes courage for an individual and also for a
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  Speaker 3: government to say, yes, we have a serious problem in
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  Speaker 3: Alice Springs or Central Australia. It's called it Central Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And we know that there's migration now away from Central
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  Speaker 3: Australia to the mount isers of this world.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're catching up with the Mount Isisimir after
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  Speaker 4: ten this morning.
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  Speaker 3: So one is to admit that there is a problem.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter what's contributed to that problem, what factors contributed
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  Speaker 3: to the problem. Not blame government, this government, last government,
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  Speaker 3: but there is a problem in Alice Springs across the board.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the first step. The first step is to
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  Speaker 3: say yes, we've got a problem, and the second thing
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  Speaker 3: is to deal with it expeditiously. And that's what I
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  Speaker 3: think this government didn't do, whether it be the Chief
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  Speaker 3: Minister or whether it be Celena, they took too long
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  Speaker 3: to make a decision.
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  Speaker 4: And we also had a situation government come in and
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  Speaker 4: shame its well.
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  Speaker 1: We also had a situation though where when questions are
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  Speaker 1: being asked in Parliament, when questions are being asked, you
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  Speaker 1: were saying, don't talk the territory down. Now, Selena, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard you say that, so I will point that
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  Speaker 1: out right from the get go. But I know that
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  Speaker 1: there has definitely been people within the Labor Party that
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  Speaker 1: when those questions have been asked, you know, it's been
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  Speaker 1: this accusation that you're talking the territory down, But the
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  Speaker 1: fact is stating nobody's wanting to No states actually wants
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory to thrive in the way that it
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  Speaker 1: possibly cats.
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  Speaker 7: Right, kids are in this, like Natasha Files, she has
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  Speaker 7: not been able to admit that she has got this wrong,
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  Speaker 7: like everyone in the territory knew it was wrong, but
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  Speaker 7: she did it anyway. She wouldn't listen to anybody who
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  Speaker 7: was speaking up about this, including her own Labor federal
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  Speaker 7: member Marian Scrimshaw and all the Aboriginal leaders that are
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  Speaker 7: down there. I mean territories, I don't feel like they're
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  Speaker 7: being heard. And we talk about how things take time.
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  Speaker 7: Alcohol management plans take time. There was plenty of time.
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  Speaker 7: I mean Natasha Files has been the Alcohol Minister for
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  Speaker 7: six years and then she's come out and blamed the
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  Speaker 7: Coalition government for saying that they basically just left the
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  Speaker 7: territory to its own devices. Well, Natasha Files did actually
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  Speaker 7: come in and put measures in the territory to deal
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  Speaker 7: with that alcohol problem, but she got it wrong and
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  Speaker 7: she won't admit it. She won't apologize to people across
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  Speaker 7: the territory, she won't apologized to Central Australia. And now
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  Speaker 7: we've been asked to give them more time to solve
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  Speaker 7: this problem.
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  Speaker 1: Selena is the whole cabinet and caucus in agreement in
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  Speaker 1: this space at this point in time.
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  Speaker 6: I think, Kaanie, the beauty of having a caucus is
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  Speaker 6: that it does present opportunity to hear from the different
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  Speaker 6: experiences and background and particularly you know, the feedback we
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  Speaker 6: get as local members into our government caucus to be
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  Speaker 6: able to provide feedback opportunity looking at things that we
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  Speaker 6: can do as a team as a government and really
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  Speaker 6: provide direction and yeah, there's sometimes there is time that's
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  Speaker 6: needed to be able to I mean, hindsight, it's a
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  Speaker 6: great thing, right, It's easy to say, oh, we should
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  Speaker 6: have done this, you should have done that, but you've got.
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  Speaker 4: To make the decision inside. It's actually listening to the community.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, that's been a really
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  Speaker 1: big misstep from the government that people are quite I
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  Speaker 1: think they're feeling a bit disheartened with actually over the
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  Speaker 1: last few months, is that they actually thought it would
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  Speaker 1: be like that is would listen a little bit better.
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  Speaker 6: But the community doesn't all have the same voice. They
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  Speaker 6: don't all seeing from so you've got to recognize the
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  Speaker 6: loudest voices aren't always the voices.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think in Central Australia that it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been the issue that the voices in Central Australia are
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  Speaker 1: saying that.
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  Speaker 6: I think the voices have been very reflective what's happening
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  Speaker 6: in Central Australia now. Absolutely, And I mean I felt
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  Speaker 6: that when I was there last week and all the
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  Speaker 6: meetings that I had, I also felt energized by some
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  Speaker 6: of the meetings, particularly traditional owners who said, yes, we
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  Speaker 6: do not like what's happening on our country.
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  Speaker 5: We want to do more.
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  Speaker 6: We want to have that cultural authority, want to be
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  Speaker 6: recognized to be able to do more and provide services
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  Speaker 6: on country, not just for our people, but really have
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  Speaker 6: that cultural protocol which is you know what we see
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  Speaker 6: here at Larakir in Darwin and Palmers scenario, and really
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  Speaker 6: take charge of what's happening on country. And I felt
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  Speaker 6: energized because I thought I would feel flat after my
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  Speaker 6: visit in Alice Springs for those couple of days because
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  Speaker 6: of everything I've seen heard on the media, but really
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  Speaker 6: hearing about everyone loves Ola Springs. People who live in
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  Speaker 6: our springs love it. They just hate what's happening in
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  Speaker 6: their sound. And when you talk about what the opportunity
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  Speaker 6: is to work together and communicate solutions, we also have
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  Speaker 6: people who say, actually, no, I do want to drink
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  Speaker 6: on my country. I do want to have a drink
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  Speaker 6: at home. But the voices does are different than not
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  Speaker 6: always it.
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  Speaker 1: Does the social dysfunction and the the rates of domestic
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  Speaker 1: violence and the rates of property crime.
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  Speaker 4: At what point does.
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  Speaker 1: That outweigh with anybody no matter where you come from,
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  Speaker 1: you know where you luck, you're drinking rights.
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  Speaker 6: Well, going to family domestic and sexual violence, Katie, we
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  Speaker 6: are heavily underfunded for the Northern Territory. If we're only
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  Speaker 6: ever funded at one percent of the population of Australia,
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  Speaker 6: we will never get ahead with being able to provide
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  Speaker 6: the services that match the need. The Northern Territory has
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  Speaker 6: these shocking rates, very high rates of family, domestic and
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  Speaker 6: sexual violence, and we don't have the funding or resources
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  Speaker 6: or the programs to be able to deliver the service
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  Speaker 6: that match the need.
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  Speaker 1: Now speaking of three hundred million odd dollars is going
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  Speaker 1: to be going now into Central Australia. Two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty eight or two hundred and fifty sorry, announced earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the week. That's being provided by the federal government.
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  Speaker 1: And then that's in addition to forty eight million dollars
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  Speaker 1: which had been earmarked towards the end of last year.
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  Speaker 1: The alban Ezy government announcing that forty eight million. It
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  Speaker 1: is an all awful lot of money going into Central Australia.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how do we ensure that this money is
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  Speaker 1: going into the right areas and make sure that it
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  Speaker 1: is actually helping in the areas where it's required.
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  Speaker 7: And Katie, we have had millions if not Billions poured
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  Speaker 7: into all of these problems for the territory for a
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  Speaker 7: very long time, both the territory level and the federal level.
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  Speaker 7: But we don't even know where this is, where this
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  Speaker 7: money is going, like there's been no ordit of funding.
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  Speaker 7: It just seems to go into the never never. And
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  Speaker 7: I mean you say that people in our springs love it.
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  Speaker 7: Of course they love it, but guess what they are
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  Speaker 7: leaving because all they see is politicians come in promise
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  Speaker 7: the world, talk about how the money is going to
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  Speaker 7: be the outcome here and it's going to be great.
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  Speaker 7: They talk about how this behavior is unacceptable. Then they
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  Speaker 7: talk about how complex that issue is.
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  Speaker 3: Wrap around services.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget that, wrap around services. They love that word.
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  Speaker 7: They talk about how hard they are working to solve
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  Speaker 7: these problems, but they haven't solved them. Things are worse
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  Speaker 7: and people are leaving, and if this government can't fix
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  Speaker 7: these complex problems, then we need a government that can.
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  Speaker 3: Well, are you going to take a break?
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  Speaker 4: No, yeah, you know what, Let's take a very you
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  Speaker 4: have something that you want to point out. Let's have
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  Speaker 4: a quick break. You are listening to mix on O
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  Speaker 4: four nine's.
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  Speaker 1: Three sixty KESI Epiric, my co hosts determining when we
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  Speaker 1: take breaks. If you've just joined us for the week
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  Speaker 1: that was this morning, we have got Selena Rubo, Kesi
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  Speaker 4: Now yesterday, Yes, go for it.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I've had some people text through to me about what
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: a group of labor politicians.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Well there's a choice, okay.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: A hypocrisy, that is what they've said in an impairment,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: oh self.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Interest, incompetence to use that word. An ambition.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Well I wasn't expecting it to be an ambition, okay, I.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Was on the shambles.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Well, what do we call a group of conservative politicians?
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Somebody can text through and tell me that she's.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: A conservative politicians. We got collective nouns for that.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So we won't just go Well, we like to be fair,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: so we're not just going to go one way.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: They We'll find out what an independent group is apart
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: from bright and talented.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: We'll teal, aren't they teal?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Don't tell.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: No?
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Now, yesterday we were joined on the show by Leofanocchiaro.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Now the COLP leader is planning to give notice of
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: a motion of no confidence in the Northern Territory government
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: when parliament resumes next week. She joined us on the show.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: She said that, you know, basically the reason behind this
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: is that she feels the motion will reflect a widespread
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: loss of community confidence in the files government and Labour's
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: failure to do the very basics of government.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: And that is to keep the community safe.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Marie Claire, I'll put to you the same question that
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I put to the opposition leader. Is this just a
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: stunt because the likelihood of this actually happening is very low.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Katie.
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: Here in the territory, we used to fight to protect
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: our lifestyle, but now we're actually fighting to protect our
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: lives and of course our livelihoods. And remember we used
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: to always what we really want, What territorians want, and
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: they talk to us about this all the time, is
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: that they actually want a future to look forward to
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: and they want to be looking towards that future. But
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: instead what we're doing is looking over our shoulder because
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: we actually live in fear now. And you know, I've
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: spoken to so many Territorians over the last couple of
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: years who have made incredible contributions to the territory and
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: we really should be thanking them for that, but sadly
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: we're saying goodbye to them and that's just not okay, Like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: we can't continue to suffer, to suffer to the point
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: where people are actually packing up and leaving, which we
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: see all the time. And this is a government who
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: actually can't govern anymore. So we're at this stage now
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: where territorians are saying, well, something needs to be done.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: You know, they're not listening to anybody. They won't listen
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: to the c orp or position. They definitely listen to independence,
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: they don't listen to territorians and all of their leaders.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: You can't even catch a bus now in the territory
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: without feeling unsafe. Your children can't even sleep in their
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: own rooms without worrying about it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: There as doun at the moment that people are really,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to put it mildly, pissed off with the government, you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to put it mildly, they're very frustrated with the crime,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: They're very frustrated with the anti social behavior.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: It's something that we speak about a lot on this show.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Even on the days where I try to you know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: where we try to talk about other topics, we end
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: up with people calling through after they've been subjected to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: various crimes or different things going on in the community.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: There is no doubt that we are at a point
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: at the moment where there is some really poor behavior
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to put it mildly, but kesier, is it at a
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: point where you would support a vote of no confidence
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory government as an independent?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, I would, and I have indicated this to the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: ifnociro that I would support it and speak if the
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: chance arises to the motion. Now, my support for the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: motion is not about individuals. It's about the government. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: don't believe you should target particular individuals in any situation,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: but it's about the policies or lack their off.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, I think you play the politics.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Not going to play the politics? Woman, correct. So, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: there's no doubt about it. There are you know, it's
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: like any walk of life, there's good performance and there's
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: not so good performers. But over the time, the government
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: hasn't performed in key areas where they need to perform.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And some things happen not because of government, just they
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: happen anyway. It doesn't matter who's in government. You know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: whether a new mine opens up or something else is created.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: It's not because of the government necessarily, it's in spite
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: of government usually. So the issue with the law and
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: order and the social issues within this territory, that's what's
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: really depressing people and getting them down. And I was
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: talking to some people recently just generally having a chin wag,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: and we made the comment that the community is cranky
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: at the moment.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: All you're going to do is have a look on
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the Chief ministers Facebook page. And I know that this
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: happens a lot, but even on a positive post, like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, like park Run and she's getting absolutely slammed,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: And that's that's that's not right, you know, not right
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: at all, because you know, the Chief Minister, like all
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of us in here, we have our own lives, our
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: private lives, whatever personal lives, and we have a job
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and this job is a particular kind of job not
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: suited to everyone. But we've chosen to do this job
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: and we should be able to do it the best
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: we can and not be attacked personally.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean a lot of those comments are like
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: we can't go for a run ourselves in our estaings
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and things like that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I accept that the central Australia and you only have
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: to follow social media and talk to people. I was
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: talking to a couple who own a business up here,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: own and Our Springs, and only one of the owners
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: only yesterday, I think I was talking to her and
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: she's and they've been in Alice Springs for since the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: early eighties, if not before. Business people, and they said
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: our town is destroyed now. These are optimistic business people and.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Who do very well, and they're usually very resilient.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: And they're very resilient and they will last, you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: they'll be there forever. But they've said our town is
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: being destroyed now and they're not talking down as you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: they want to see the best in everything in life.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: So it's about should take this confidence motion and they
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: should debate it because they shouldn't shy away from the
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: fact they should be able to what they've been doing
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: for the last six years or whatever it is, or
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: last even the last term in any an area of
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: their operation, whether it be you know, essential services which
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Selena is responsible for, amongst other things, whether it be
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: social law and order issues, infrastructure issues.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: So it's just the way it should be done. You know,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you should you should front up and say, okay, you've
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: got no confidence in us, well tough like, I'm going
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: to tell you why you should have good look at it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: So I'm quite comfortable talking about where I think there
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: should be improvements. You know, my background being sort of
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: in the minerals industry, I'd like to see more effort.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I know there's more money could be put everywhere. But
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you know, you can't keep hanging your hat on a
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: small mine, no disrespect to call lithium. You can't keep
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: hanging your hat on that mine. Because when we start
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to lose a big mind like gem card Grid Island,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: there go all the mineral royalties not only to the
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Northern Territory government, but through to Aboriginal people on the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: ground because it's on on Aboriginal land rights ground. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: if we start to lose big minds like that, not
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: only are we going to lose lose the industry contribution,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: we're going to lose the contribute that goes to Oddiginal
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: people and other territories. So you know, they need to
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: really focus really hard on what the opposition is trying
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to achieve on behalf of their constituencies. So there's areas
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: on territories, well, all territories. I'm disappointed in some of
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the areas. Some areas I don't have a lot of
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: interest in for lots of reasons. But yes, I will
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: support it and if I get the opportunity to have
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: my say.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So, Selena, is it something that the government is going
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to allow to be debated here?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Because the point that Kesia makes is a really good one.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it is actually an opportunity for the government
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to be able to outline the various ways that you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: feel you are working well for territorians and to be
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: able to get that across Katie.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I always think that Kezia does speak sensibly, and it's
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: probably why she left the Sea ORP, to be honest.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: But when we're.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Talking about sharing the stories of what we're doing as government,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: and yes, there are some things that we can do
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: better and we work as that and that's always the
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: challenge of government to represent all the views of territorians,
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: not just the people who voted for us, but everybody.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: And when we're talking about the you know, the negative
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: things that are happening in the territory, there does need
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: to be more work to address that absolutely, and that's
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: what we need to do. That's any government, whether it's labor,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: whether it's CLP, it's always going to be the job
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: of government to manage that and to support territories to
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: have that community safety. But when we do talk about
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: the good things are doing in the territory, the CLP
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: don't listen anyway. So I mean it would be a
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: waste of time to spend hours and hours in Parliament
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: talking about all the things that we're doing as government,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: what we have because they don't agree with it. They
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: never listen and they never celebrate the good things in
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: the territory.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: And so if people don't agree with your views, you're
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: not prepared to debate them.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Pardon sorry, I said if people.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Don't agree with your views, you're not prepared to debate them.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: No, it's not a matter of that, Katie.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: It's about making sure that we're doing our jobs as parliamentarians,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: that we're doing our jobs as government. And you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: we do have a very full legislative schedule and we
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: always do. When you look back to the CLP days,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I mean they'd be lucky to have one piece of
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: legislation in three months.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Kind of reach the point though we're looking backwards anymore.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: They're trying to look forwards, and the only way that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: they feel as though they can look forwards is if
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we get on top of the social issues that we've got.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: In the Northern Territory at the moment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, we hear a lot of words from
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister at the moment we're here, to be honest,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of words from the government in general, but
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: not a lot of action in the.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Areas where people truly feel as though they need it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And I take on board, you know, the comments that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you're making, and I certainly take on board that you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: were saying that there is different programs in place and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that there's different work happening.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But right now people are screaming out for help. They're cranky,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: they're really cranky.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But they're becoming they're feeling quite helpless.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: It's almost turning into well, it isn't almost it is lawlessness.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, I listened to that fellow who owns that
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Mad Snake cafe and he puts posts up and he's
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: put stuff everywhere about. And these aren't children therese adults, Yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: toushing his plants out the front and humbugging him and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Sh this is you know, this is a bloke who
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: also fed the homeless on Christmas, Like he's trying to
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: do his best.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: For the community.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: He does, you know, he does a lot with our
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: is our veterans. You talk like you're actually talking about
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: people who are contributing and really trying to contribute to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory being a good place.
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: Keisier talks about cranky, but I actually have a different
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: lot of feedback that's coming to me and I certainly
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: feel it as well. It's gone from cranky to frustration
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: and anger, but it's now at a point where it's despair,
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: Like it literally is despair. And then you almost try
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: and get angry about it, but you just think, oh,
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: what's the point where no one is listening to them,
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: you know. And now we have this vote of no confidence,
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: which is it's been driven from territorians, Like.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: The COLP doesn't just come up with these ideas, It
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: comes from territorians.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: And because he's right, this is the perfect opportunity for
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: the Labor government to tell Territorians exactly what they have
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: done in the last six years, which has contributed to
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: a really well functioning society, which we know it's not.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: And for them just to say, oh, we've got too
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: much other legislation going on and not the CEOP, this
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: the CLP. That doesn't wash with Territorians. They want a
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: government who can government govern for the everybody's benefit in
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: the territory.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Now to just look at this from another perspective, though,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: is it a situation where it's going to be a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: time waster. We're in parliament, it's going to waste time by.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: When you're talking about territorians lives and livelihoods, then nothing
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: is time wasting.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It should be the absolute priority.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So Keys here you're going to support us, But Katie's
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: not a time white. Nothing should be considered a time
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: wasting pume. You know, Okay, they might be at times
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: filibustering to fill in time, but everything everyone says in
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: there has merit. Just some have more merit than others.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And that's just the way it is in life. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't consider it time wasting. It's the opportunity for
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: individual members to get up and say or contribute to
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: the debate at hand, how it affects their constituency or
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: their friends or their family whatever. So you know, whether
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: it be Selene or myself or Mariy Clair. We all
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: have that opportunity to speak. Some speak for five, some
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: speak for fifty, you know. But it's a good opportunity
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: to bring things to the attention, not only to the
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: attention of the Parliament and to the government from an
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: opposition's point of view and independence, but also for terretoins
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to hear about things.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: It is the week that was in the studio this
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: morning Murray Claire Booth, Bi Kesia Puric and Selina Rubo,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and well we know that yesterday the Member Ferarra lu
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And Robin Lamley issued a statement saying today I've taken
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the step of referring the Northern Territory Attorney General Chancey
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Paike to the NT Independent Commission against Corruption for failing
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to declare his conflict of interest with the local Alice
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Springs Aboriginal Corporation with whom he has deep connections and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: where he has directed enormous amounts of public money. That
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: is what she said in the statement. She said, as
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a member of Parliament, I have a mandatory responsibility to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: report in proper conduct to the Office of the IKAK
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and she said that mister Pikes had every opportunity to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: declare his conflicts of interest and recuse himself of all
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: government business related to the corporation, but has failed to
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: do so. Over several years, many people in Central Australia
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: have drawn my attention to these allegations of misconduct and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: potential corruption by mister Pake. I mean, does he have
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: some questions to answer here? I did go through the register.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: It's a conflict of interest.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: What's well his connections I think to mave On not
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent sual. Yeah, the connections to to Tongue
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: in Jeer Council. I've gone like I've gone through the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: register of interests that people have declared, and there doesn't
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: appear to be anything declared.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: They're on, you know, on that paperwork.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That I know each and every one of you do
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: need to make sure that you do declare. Look, it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: really it's a difficult one. I think that conflicts of interest.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Conflict of interest is a tricky thing at the best
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: of times. But if Chancy Pake's got relatives who work
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: in the Tanganed your council. It's called tanged your council. Well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: what's wrong with that? You could have relatives, you could
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: have You've got cousins with.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you do you have a relative that's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: working within one of those councils. Should you be part
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: of any decisions where there is money.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You probably shouldn't all gets when you declare your confident
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: of interests.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: But but I don't know whether there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: It would have to be demonstrated that that organization received
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: favorable treatment under from whatever a chance he's responsible for.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Or I understanding.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: I think the release that Robin Lambley has put out
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: is around a tender process because toannggue in Geer, like
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: other organizations in Alice Springs and Central Australia, have gone
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: through tender processes. They are very robust and they are
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: very strict in terms of government tender processes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: My understanding is when Tongue in Jeer.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Received or were successful, they were one of many submissions
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: that have been put in for a particular tender that
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: is not managed by the minister. I'm now the Housing Minister,
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: but that is not managed to the Minister chance he
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: was the Minister for Housing. A couple of years ago.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: That is completely separate to any political decisions we make
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: as manages. Yeah, it's through DIPPLES, so it's actually not
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: even through the Department of Housing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: So it's completely separate operationally.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: What tended to DIPPLE do the procurement process, then they
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: award and select a tender and then that is then
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: put back to Housing.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: The Minister does not sign off an if.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You're not looking at a tender process, if you're looking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: at things like the consultation process, even for example, with
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you know what we're what we've gone through with the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: sunsetting of the of the Stronger Futures legislation, and you're
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: looking at then you know, the consultation process as to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: whether something is or is not reinstated or how it works.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Should you actually.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Declare any kind of conflict of interest in those situations,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: because you know, I suppose that that if you do
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: have close contacts, whether it's in a you know, whether
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you're talking about this specifically or whether you're talking about
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: another decision making process, sometimes our judgment can.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Be clouded based on our relationships with people.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: What it also might be I mean is the Member
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: for Earl and referencing Chancey Paike himself, because I've heard
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: that perhaps his electoral officer has connections to the Tea
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Get Council through his or her relatives. So how far
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: do you declare your conflict in niches and regards to
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: your staff or.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Gets study.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But if you actually go through anybody that's been a
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: director on a board or anybody that has been on
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a you know, like if you're on any kind of board,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you've got to declare all those kinds of conflicts of interest.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And then we're talking about the first you know, like
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he's the Attorney General then of the Northern Territory. So
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I would hope that all of that kind of thing.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So you would hope that all of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: those kinds of things have definitely been declared and have
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: been looked into.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Otherwise it's going to get really and.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Robin must have some information.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, you don't just do this on a whim,
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: like she's obviously getting information through she has some concerns,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: and as politicians, we do have a mandatary obligation to
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: report to the Independent Commission of the Corruption.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Maybe if any member has concerns, the first thing they
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: should do is probably talk to the speaker.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Then it's a bit tough though too. When you've got
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: a labor you got a labor speaker labor.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: No, Well, the speaker is impartial. It doesn't matter what
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: political color they are. If there's an issue with the
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: register of interest, then that would come under not under
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: the speaker's control, but it's managed through the speakers speakers
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and Department and responsibility. So you know, if member for
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Ara Leeuwin's got some issues, you first clarify, I mean
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: one like you did Katie, checked the registered interests of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: members and see what's there and not there, rather than
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I mean I have this obviously this, I have some history,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: but running straight off and you know, dobbin someone into ek.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: I think we don't know all the details that they yet.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'll be very interested to see, you be interesting to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: see in terms of you know, the conflicts of interest
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and what has been declared, not only like not only
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: in this situation, but I think for all politicians.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's something that we as members should just revisit
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and have a little think ourselves. Like you know, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: list things that I'm patron of, and you know, we
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: list our assets and that kind of stuff and involve
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: and you know, relationships like if you have your partner
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: work somewhere, I don't know anything that you think could
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: be a piece a conflict of interest or maybe it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: time that we all just do a refresher and think, okay,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: what but you do I need to put on my regis.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Look, I actually think it's a bit more than that.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I know, even for myself at different times when I've
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: been on air and you know, many years ago, when
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Dan Murphy's were looking at moving on to you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: onto the airport site, my husband used to work for
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the for Darwin Airports.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I said that on air right from the get go.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: You know that that was where because he worked in
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the in the property sector where obviously they were then
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you know, they were doing deals.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: He wasn't working on that deal, but.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I declared that on air because I actually think that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you've got to be really upfront with people.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: You've got to make sure that you.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Are really well well, but you've got, like I.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Think, you have to make sure that you are declaring
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: anything that could be a conflict of interest. You've got
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to be upfront about it and you've got to be
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: really honest. And if there is a situation in any
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: case with any of our ministers, any members of Parliament
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: where you know, where you've didn't realize that something maybe
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was a conflict. Well that's where, yes, there does need
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to be some education. But when you're talking about the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Attorney General, you would hope that if it is the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: first you know.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Its relationships that could be viewed.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: As a conflict, because this is a thing. Perception is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: everything in politics can.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Be wrong, but the perception to a person is their reality.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: So if they believe there's a conflict of interest to them,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: there is and so you got rid of that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you know that obviously it
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: will be it'll be determined. I'm assuming the IK Commissioner
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: will determine whether there is something that needs to be
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: looked into or not. But how far are you guys
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: sort of asked to go when it comes to declaring
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: conflicts or when it comes to declaring you know your
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: information when you enter politics.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Well, the Registry is quite clear in what it seeks
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: information from and how much you put in is up
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to you. Like it seeks to know whether you've got
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: memberships of certain clubs or you've been given memberships over
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: three hundred dollars. If you've been gifted something that's over
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: three hundred dollars, you know, whether it be a conscious
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: lounge or whatever, ticket or a gift. Yah, it's given
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: you a lovely bottle of champagne.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: We've got to declare all of that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Over three hundred dollars. Yeah, But if it's under three
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars and you want to deter it, well you can.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: We've always been to talk to overdisclosed. I mean I
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: even put the footy clubs that my kids participate in
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: on that register, just because one day you just never
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: know what's going to come up. And yeah, I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: you know, I'm going to be really interested to see
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: what happens with the process with our Attorney.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: General of all people.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: If the register needs to be reviewed, well that's something
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that the Parliament should deal.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: It should be looking into, you can.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: I just ad, I absolutely think that chance he's done
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: all that he needs to do. Because whilst we do
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: have a process to declare perceive's interests through the Members
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: Register for Parliament, we also have another process as government ministers,
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: and every government minister doesn't matter what faction of politics
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: you are, but we do go through a process every
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: twelve months to declare any perceived conflict of interest and
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: we go through quite a rigorous process to be able
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: to do that to financially every year. Declar just process
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: because that goes directly through to the central Holding through
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: the Cabinet Office. But there is two layers for a
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: government minister to declare conflict of interest and I think
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: that Robin Laandley's allegations will be unfounded throughout an IKQ investigator.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: We'll just read out.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I will just read out the statement that the Attorney
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: General has issued. The Attorney General and Minister for Justice,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Chancey Pake did provide us with the statement saying Miss
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Lambley's allegations about me are baseless and she knows that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the IKAK was not established to be used as a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: tool for political point scoring, while Miss Lamley continues to
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: be self serving and disruptive my territory, labor government colleagues
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and I are continuing on with getting on with what's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: best for territorians. But look, I will say that you
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: know that Robin has said as well in that statement
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that she has raised this.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: She said that she as.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: A member of Parliament, she has a mandatory responsibility she
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: believes to report what she sees is improper conduct to
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the Office of the Eye Kak. So it'll be interesting
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: to see where it all lands.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: And it should be looked at, Katie. It should be
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: someone's raised it. It needs to be looked at. And now
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: we leave it with the Arka to do.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So. Well, look, we are going to take a bit
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of a break. You are listening to Mix one O
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: if you have just joined us in the studio. Well,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: we've got this morning Murray Claire Boothby, Keirsey Epiric and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Selena Rubo.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I've got the liberal politicians.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, can just go quickly.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: It could be an equivocation of liberal politicians and odium.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a bit of that's a tricky word.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: We won't go.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: We won't say what is or I like this one
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: a wind sock or wind bag of liberal politicians.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: There you go, We'll.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Tell you what interesting ones on both sides of the fence, there,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: won't they?
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Now I do want to.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Just talk about tourism for a moment, because yesterday we
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: caught up with tourism Central Australia's Daniel Rochford and certainly
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: spoke about the need well at some point for there
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to be recovery when it comes to tourism in Central Australia.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: But Alan's been in contact with us this morning called
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: through Good morning, Katie. Can you please ask the panel
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: about another major event being canceled for the Northern Territory
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Caravan and Camping National Events. The Northern Territory is going
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: to lose millions in revenue for all that all the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: businesses and look, this is the point that's being made
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: at the moment.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: That's that's pretty understandable.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people going, well, why
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: would I travel somewhere where I don't feel safe at
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: this point?
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, I think in terms of our springs and
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: the changes, and of course you know what's been shared
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: not just across the territory but nashally is having an impact.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: But we are confident that the dry season in particular,
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: which is the peak tourism season in our springs will
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: regenerate you know, the visitors and the numbers.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And particular the behavior because the thing is if there's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: not like if the crime is still going on it's
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: not going to I just can't understand the government's mentality
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Sorry you're switching back. I know we're just talking about tourism,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: but the point.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Of why it's been cast because of the crime.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: Well, the support that we need to give Alison, Central
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: Australia is further resources, further support in terms of being
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: able to provide programs, initiatives and that community safety, which
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: we know is a key priority, but in terms of
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: being able to continue investment and have that footprint in
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: Central Australia. With drawing from big events or not holding
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: things in Central Australia will continue to hurt not just
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: the social footprint of our springs, but the economic footprint.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: So that's why, particularly Territorians and other Australians and our
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: international visitors, we want to see that resumption of tourism
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: in Central Australia because it is a beautiful place.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: People love the continent that you're.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Able to do that if you can't get on top
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of the issues that we've.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Got or Katie, we know that there's going to be
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: that extra investment and the measures we do have that
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: partnership and support with the federal government. We are seeing
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: so many of those community meetings that are leading community solutions.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: We're seeing local government be active and people working together,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: and not just governments, not just the three tiers of government.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: We're seeing businesses, We're seeing industry, We're seeing average or
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: traditional owners, We're seeing non government organizations or working towards
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: those community solutions. But we also need to see that
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: investment back in tourism to be able to support the
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: economy in Central Australia.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And look, you know that cancelation is on top of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the motocross that obviously got canceled as well. The junior
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: motocross were not canceled. It's moved up here to the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: top end down to your neck of the woods.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: But yeah, LOOKI I just want to go back to
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: what Selena was saying about what they're working on and
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: all these people working together. I mean, they are the
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: exact words that we have heard for six years, Alice Springs.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: Tourism is no stranger to suffering. That this has been
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: going on for a long time. They've been through Helen
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: back time and time again. It was only a few
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: years ago that the current affair was aired Nash and
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: that reputation got trashed.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That was a few months last couple of years ago when.
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: They just after COVID, you know, so they're just recovering
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: and this happens now it's taken the national shame again
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: and it is a shame like it's a shame job.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a word that Terra Turns used. It's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: a shame job.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: That this It's taken so much push from the community
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: and and things not happening to bring the Prime minister.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: The disappointing part that I want to point out is
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Daniel Rochford had joined me on the show towards the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: end of last year and he said.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Katie, we are we need help.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: This is a national emergency before it hit the national
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: head exactly.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: And this morning and Nicole Madison has been on radio
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: and she's been saying that tourism's looking up for our springs.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: She's talking it really positively.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: Which sure is great, but that's what she did last
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: time and it wasn't good, you know, and it took
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: a national shame for it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: She's around about the corking numbers.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: So when you're talking about what are people doing and saying, oh,
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: no one wants to go to our springs, but the
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: booking numbers can't undo then.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: So the thing I'm feeling really disappointed about this morning
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: is to me, you know, and I've got a lot
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of respect for you, Selena, so don't take this as
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a personal attack on you, But for me, I feel
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: as though the Northern Territory government is just continuing to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: say all the same things.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's all the same stuff.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: There's nothing and it's really it's actually really disappointing.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: So that's the that's the discipline you have to have
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: as government.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Differently, something different.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: We haven't had a single solution from the cel P.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: There's been no one right through to go through. We've
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: seen that the community has been offering solutions, but there's
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: always the negative from the CELP, which does not help
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: people in Central Australia.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: But Katie, there's a key issue that we're not talking
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: about it. I mean, if the bookings, if the bookings
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: are good, as Minister Madison has said, that's good, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: one of the key things is the bookings can be there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But what if the businesses can't get staffed to service
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: the and.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Those talkings are getting canceled.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: The people won't want to go to Alice Springs because
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: of the reputation it's generating around the country. So there's
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: a tricky situation you can have, you can have bookings, yeah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and then they can be withdrawn because that's.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Exactly I mean, the point is that's some of the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: stuff that Daniel was talking to us about yesterday.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: So that's the I guess that's the really tough spot
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: that we're in at the moment.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And then you know, even towards the end of last year,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: there was rocks being thrown at tourist buses when they
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: were arriving, you know, back from their tour for the day.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: It's just a week ago that you know, we've seen
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: kids on the street and spitting and getting into a
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: punch up with people inside a hotel, like inside their hotel,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You know.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, I like, I understand that things.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Aren't going to change overnight, but this isn't an issue
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that's just come about a week ago. It's an issue
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that we've been grappling with police.
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: That hasn't happened. I mean, all this money that that
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: has been a lot. They come in for five minutes
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: and then they go again.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: Like our police are hard work, King and have been
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: continuing to address not just the the issues that we
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: talked about, but some resources eye some of it. Well,
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: that's why we're working with the fans very clear, like
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: how can you then resource something that has been.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Years and easy and what we don't have the money.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: You have money for years.
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: We don't even know enough because we don't have the
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: money to hit the need of the communities, not just
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: in Alice Springs but right across the territory. Where's the
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: CLP and the uproar about needs based funding for family
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: domestic vines. Where's the CLP uproar about funding for homelessness?
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Which time product the country?
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: About Peter's personal safety? Where is Labour's uproar about people's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: personal safety?
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're concerned about people's safety in the community, doesn't
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: matter if it's in Alice Springs or Catherine or one
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: of our remote communities.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Katie, that is the work that we need to do.
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: We need to get on with the practical steps that
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: will actually keep people safe and not continue to talk
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: about it, actually act on it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna have to finish on something a bit
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: lighter because I have just had a message come through
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: from Wendy Kezier. Good morning Katie and team. Can you
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: please ask the chook resuscitator how the chook is that one?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: There from Wendy to wrap up.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: The little hen is doing fine. The ungrateful things. She
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: ran off with the package. She hasn't even not much.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: She was going to come into the studio earlier in
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the week and didn't didn't make it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Ran away from Keysy Penny Henny.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: She ran away.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: She did.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: She didn't want anything more thrown and breathed down to.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: His little bit. Well that's it. We are going to
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: have to wrap up. We've run out of time.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby, thank you so much for your time
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  Speaker 1: this morning. The SEALP member, thank you, Thank you Katie
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  Speaker 1: and listeners. Keezier Puric, the Independent member for going to
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks Katie selena Ubo, the Labour's Minister for
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs Essential Services, as well on various other portfolios.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you Katy