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The Kenny Report | 29 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, Prime Minister Anthony Alberanezi admits failure while
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  Speaker 2: denying failure, which means he's all about politics, not running
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Barnaby Joyce draws fire. See what I did there.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie. Israel under
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  Speaker 2: attack again, more innocent civilians killed, yet world leaders and
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  Speaker 2: global media blame the victim. Former Israeli ambassador and Liberal
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  Speaker 2: Senator Liberal member Dave Sharma joins me too.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's running mate.
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  Speaker 2: Jd Vance, refusing to back down over his cat lady sneering.
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  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Adam Crichton in the US also as
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  Speaker 2: the Gold tally mounts tonight and every night throughout the Olympics,
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  Speaker 2: I've crossed to Paris, where Hannah Hollis will wrap up
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  Speaker 2: all you need to know about the games. And also
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  Speaker 2: tonight jem Uni, Caroline de Rousso and for Media News,
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  Speaker 2: where Aita Buttros tells ABC journos to harden up.
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  Speaker 1: I'll talk to Sophie Ellsworth. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberinezi and his government face another monumental policy failure.
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  Speaker 2: The reality of that failure was clear in the reshuffle
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  Speaker 2: announced yesterday, but the Prime Minister is in denial about it.
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  Speaker 2: He's trying to play politics and pretend it away. Let
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  Speaker 2: me explain, in my lifetime, there is one Australian policy
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  Speaker 2: failure that stands out above all others because of the
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  Speaker 2: lives lost, the human trauma, ongoing costs, and the way
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  Speaker 2: it undermined national security and faith in our immigration program.
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  Speaker 2: The greatest policy failure of the past half a century
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  Speaker 2: has to be Labor losing control of our maritime borders.
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  Speaker 1: YEP.
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  Speaker 2: It was horrible, and Labor pretended that learned the lessons.
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  Speaker 1: They promised that they wouldn't change anything.
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  Speaker 2: But under Anthony Albernezi they have scrapped temporary protection visas
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  Speaker 2: and they completely stuffed up a High Court case, seeding
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  Speaker 2: the key.
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  Speaker 1: Point and losing it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they failed to prepare a proper response and
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  Speaker 2: as a result, two hundred and fifty criminals who were
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  Speaker 2: not legally entitled to be in this country were set
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  Speaker 2: free here. The Immigration Minister, Andrew Giles was hopeless, and
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  Speaker 2: so was the Home Affairs Minister Claire O'Neill.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, while some of the.
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  Speaker 2: Released criminals allegedly reoffended and more boats started to arrive,
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  Speaker 2: even reaching the mainland, these two hapless ministers stayed in
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  Speaker 2: their jobs until yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the good news.
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  Speaker 2: Is that after standing by these failing ministers for months,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister dumped them yesterday to more junior jobs.
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  Speaker 1: About time.
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  Speaker 2: But incredibly Albanezey tried to say they'd been successful.
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  Speaker 3: What Clara O'Neill and Andrew Giles have had to do
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  Speaker 3: is to repair the damage which has been done.
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  Speaker 1: What on earth is he on about?
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  Speaker 2: How can he dump these ministers and simultaneously pretend that
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  Speaker 2: they've made things better.
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  Speaker 4: Why did you move Andrew Giles.
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  Speaker 3: From the portfolio because there's a reshuffle? What we had
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  Speaker 3: to move, What we had to do, everybody, what we
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  Speaker 3: had to do. What you do when there's a reshuffle
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  Speaker 3: is that there is a change that then has a
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  Speaker 3: knock on effect.
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  Speaker 2: How pathetic the Prime Minister is taking voters from mugs
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  Speaker 2: saying he only moved them on.
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  Speaker 1: Because he had to have a reshuffle.
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  Speaker 2: Albanez he doesn't want to admit that immigration and border
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  Speaker 2: protection are in a shambles, with more people arriving legally
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  Speaker 2: than ever before, and the illegal people smuggling trade getting
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  Speaker 2: started again, and hundreds of criminal non citizens still wandering
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  Speaker 2: around our country, dozens of them facing fresh charges. But
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  Speaker 2: it gets even worse because remember Albertiz. He was around
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  Speaker 2: as a cabinet minister and even Deputy Prime minister when
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard weakened our borders, lost control
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  Speaker 2: and saw eight hundred boats turn up with more than
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand people going into immigration to tension. We know
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  Speaker 2: that at least twelve hundred people died at sea, and
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  Speaker 2: the horror of this policy in competence played out worst
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  Speaker 2: of all at Christmas Island in twenty ten, when one
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  Speaker 2: boat was dashed against the rocky shoreline.
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  Speaker 5: The outstretched hand of a woman grasping for life as
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  Speaker 5: frantic rescuers trying to drag survivors from the boiling sea.
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  Speaker 1: We know to get like Jacobs Dama people.
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  Speaker 5: This was the refugee boat, just seconds before it was
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  Speaker 5: swamped by huge waves. Tossed about like machtick in the
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  Speaker 5: massive swell, it stood no chance.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually thrown onto.
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  Speaker 5: Rocks, the boat broke up men, women and children were
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  Speaker 5: thrown into the swirling sea.
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  Speaker 2: Yet despite this tragic history, the lives lost the more
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  Speaker 2: than eight hundred boats arriving, the more than fifty thousand
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  Speaker 2: people arriving. Who has Albow appointed as the new Minister
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  Speaker 2: for Immigration and Home Affairs none other than Tony Burke,
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  Speaker 2: one of the Labor stalwarts who was Immigration Minister under
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Rubb.
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  Speaker 3: He has held similar portfolios in the past and he's
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  Speaker 3: someone who will bring that experience to what remains a
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  Speaker 3: challenging portfolio.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, he's been immigration minister before, alright for only
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  Speaker 2: three months. When more than eighty boats turned up with
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  Speaker 2: more than six six hundred asylum seekers.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a recommendation to have another go.
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  Speaker 2: That's a clue to never let him near the area again.
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  Speaker 1: What a disastrous appointment.
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  Speaker 2: And what a slap in the face to a nation
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  Speaker 2: that's actually worried about immigration numbers, worried about illegal people
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  Speaker 2: smuggling starting up again, and also worried about criminal non
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  Speaker 2: citizens reoffending against Australian citizens. Instead of focusing on this
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  Speaker 2: real issue of national security, the government, along with the
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  Speaker 2: Canberra Press Gallery today, has been more interested in a
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  Speaker 2: distraction in attacking former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce for using
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  Speaker 2: this campaigning metaphor over the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: And the bullet you have is that little piece of
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  Speaker 6: paper and it goes in the magazine called the Voting.
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  Speaker 7: Box, and it's coming up.
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  Speaker 8: Get ready to load that magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Go goodbye Chris, goodbye, goodbye Alba. Look that is not
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  Speaker 2: the best metaphor or analogy and it's not one odd used.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never use it, but then I'm not a farmer
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  Speaker 2: and I don't own a gun. And the lines, of
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  Speaker 2: course are particularly sensitive now after the assassination attempt on
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: But there was clearly no incitement involved.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a choice of words. And Joyce has apologized.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 6: I apologize for using that metaphor done on Sunrise.
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  Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister isn't happy with that. He wants
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  Speaker 2: a political scalp.
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  Speaker 3: Petery Dutn has had four reshuffles, he should have a fifth,
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  Speaker 3: and Barnaby Joyce should go. This is the sort of
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  Speaker 3: language which has no place in any part of Australian society,
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  Speaker 3: let alone in public life. What does this bloke have
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  Speaker 3: to do to lose his job?
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  Speaker 1: Hang on a second.
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  Speaker 2: This is a prime minister who is looking at an
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  Speaker 2: immigration and border security disaster, who has dumped two ministers
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  Speaker 2: but can't bring himself to admit that they've failed. He's
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  Speaker 2: given them other jobs in the ministry anyway, and then
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  Speaker 2: he's reappointed Burke, who has previously been a monumental failure
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  Speaker 2: in the same portfolio. Yet he's calling for someone else's
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  Speaker 2: head because of a poor choice of words. How about
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister concentrate on running the country. Albinizi is
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  Speaker 2: consumed with politics rather than governing, consumed with trying to
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  Speaker 2: solve his own political problems and his own political skin
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  Speaker 2: rather than solving the nation's problems and protecting the nation's future.
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  Speaker 2: Enforce our border's Prime Minister, control our immigration, deliver reliable
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  Speaker 2: and affordable power, lower the cost of living, Strengthen our
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  Speaker 2: defense forces. These are just a few things that should
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  Speaker 2: be higher on the Prime Minister's list of priorities than
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  Speaker 2: feigning outrage over a Barnaby Joyce and analogy. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie now joining me in Woodonga. Bridget, Look,
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  Speaker 2: let's start with Barnaby Joyce. It was a poor analogy.
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  Speaker 1: You're of the land. You know plenty of people.
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  Speaker 2: Who are familiar with bullets and guns and magazines. But
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  Speaker 2: in a political attack, it's a poor analogy, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Well it is and he's apologized.
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  Speaker 10: I think what Barnaby was expressing is the frustration of
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  Speaker 10: a thousands and thousands of Australians with.
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  Speaker 4: The renewable rollout and in exhorting them to take.
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  Speaker 10: That frustration to the ballot box so that this government
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  Speaker 10: understands their frustrations in a clear political sense. And he's apologized,
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  Speaker 10: which is the appropriate response. But the issue still remains
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  Speaker 10: that these people and these communities need to make sure
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  Speaker 10: that this government is left in no uncertain terms of
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  Speaker 10: an understanding of the impact their policy decisions are having
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  Speaker 10: on them, particularly in places like the Hunter and the Illawarra.
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  Speaker 2: Sure he's saying get rid of the Prime Minister. He's saying,
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  Speaker 2: sure get rid of Chris Bowen. No doubt he's going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to come under attack from the ABC and
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  Speaker 2: the Greens and the Prime Minister calling for him to
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  Speaker 2: be sacked. Is there any chance that David Little Proud
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  Speaker 2: or yourself or others in the NATS will try to
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  Speaker 2: have him demoted or sack in any way for us.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, Chris, like, what a joke.
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  Speaker 10: This is a Prime minister who has failed to uphold
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  Speaker 10: the Westminster ministerial conventions with his own minister team.
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  Speaker 4: He's holding up some stability, you know, gold star award
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  Speaker 4: over this reshuffle.
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  Speaker 10: When in fact he's ignored the clear conflict of interests
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  Speaker 10: that have been publicly reported of his ministers with shareholdings
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  Speaker 10: that they have failed to disclose. He's failed to sack
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  Speaker 10: purely incompetent ministers time and time again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me get pick up on.
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  Speaker 4: That point now.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, this is the point I made of the outset.
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  Speaker 2: This is This is when it comes to the substance
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  Speaker 2: of this reshuffle.
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  Speaker 1: There are two killer points. One is I was staggered.
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  Speaker 2: I was very pleased to hear on Sunday that the
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  Speaker 2: Giles and O'Neill had been given the flick. But it's
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  Speaker 2: staggering that the Prime Minister doesn't admit that they've failed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's given no explanation for getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: these ministers. He's pretending, therefore, that the government's doing okay
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  Speaker 2: in immigration and border protection.
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  Speaker 10: He's pretending somehow he's doing us all a favor by
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  Speaker 10: moving incompetence a incompetent B two another portfolio to be
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  Speaker 10: summarily and similarly incompetent. I mean Australians absolutely deserve better.
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  Speaker 10: When you look at Burke, he may have gotten best
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  Speaker 10: on ground from the CFMU for his work in industrial relations,
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  Speaker 10: but his stats on border force and.
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  Speaker 4: On stability and security of.
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  Speaker 10: Our borders when he held that ministerial portfolio in previous
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  Speaker 10: governments is appalling. So on any objective rational analysis, this
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  Speaker 10: is a reshuffle that the union bosses and factional bosses
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  Speaker 10: have run their.
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  Speaker 4: Eyes right over.
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  Speaker 10: It is a political fix for Albow internally and for
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  Speaker 10: question time, and doesn't actually benefit the Australian people in
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  Speaker 10: any way, shape or form, or make the lot of
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  Speaker 10: their lives any more secure, economically or physically.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is the point where it comes down to politics.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt that Tony Burke is a more experienced
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  Speaker 2: and more talented performer, especially in Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: He can handle the difficult issue cut and thrust very
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  Speaker 1: well exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But as an immigration minister he was an abject failure
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  Speaker 2: at a tragic.
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  Speaker 1: And traumatized time.
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  Speaker 2: Does it mean that labor doesn't have anybody in their
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  Speaker 2: ranks to stand up and be strong on this issue.
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  Speaker 2: Because while we don't have a flood of boats, now
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  Speaker 2: they have started again and this is the time to
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  Speaker 2: show real resolve or we will have an absolute tragedy
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  Speaker 2: unfolding yet again.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Chris, once again you've hit the nail absolutely on
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  Speaker 10: the head. This is all about a political fix, right,
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  Speaker 10: This is all about Elbow being able to make it
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  Speaker 10: through the next parliamentary sitting fortnite without having his failures
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  Speaker 10: and the failures of his government on immigration on the
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  Speaker 10: front pages. Again, this isn't actually about solving the problem,
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  Speaker 10: because if it was, he would have put someone with
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  Speaker 10: a level of competence. And this is what happens, Chris,
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  Speaker 10: when you don't don't have a merit based process, where
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  Speaker 10: the Prime Minister doesn't have the ability to appoint the people,
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  Speaker 10: the men and women he sees as most component to
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  Speaker 10: the cabinet table. That you have to run your choices
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  Speaker 10: through the factions. You have to run your choices through
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  Speaker 10: the union bosses, which we know is exactly what happened
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  Speaker 10: over Friday and Saturday, because the Prime Minister told us
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  Speaker 10: all that he had to check with the factional heavies
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  Speaker 10: before he'd make his announcement on Sunday. This is what
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  Speaker 10: you get. You get a political fix and Australians deserve better.
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  Speaker 10: This is a serious problem because when you get it wrong,
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  Speaker 10: people lose their lives, see because.
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  Speaker 4: They're seeking to come here.
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  Speaker 10: Or as we've seen under Giles, we see criminals released
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  Speaker 10: into our communities and offenses committed against Australians thanks to
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  Speaker 10: the decisions of Anthony Albanesei's minister. So to say that
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  Speaker 10: not culpable, that they're not responsible beggars.
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  Speaker 2: Belief, indeed alleged defenses at this stay. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: those matters before the courts. But thanks for joining us,
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  Speaker 2: Sir Bridget McKenzie.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Lench Senator Bridget mackenzie. There this is
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  Speaker 1: a shambles.
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  Speaker 2: You can't admit failure through your actions and then deny failure.
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  Speaker 1: Now I want to go on to other issues now, And.
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  Speaker 2: There was more terrible news out of the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend, just sickening news. Now we all know
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  Speaker 2: about the trauma in southern Israel. Of course, the slaughter
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  Speaker 2: of more than twelve hundred people in October the seventh
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  Speaker 2: and the ensuring war and the way tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of people have been unable to return to their homes
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  Speaker 2: in that area because Hummus still fires rockets there and
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  Speaker 2: funded by Iran Hamas is still dedicated to killing innocence. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I've also told you, because most media doesn't bother, that
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people in northern Israel, innocent civilians
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  Speaker 2: have become refugees in their own country too, having to
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  Speaker 2: move away because of thousands of rockets fired from Lebanon
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  Speaker 2: by Hesbalah, another Islamist extremest terrorist group funded and backed
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  Speaker 2: by Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as you know, one of these rockets hit is
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  Speaker 1: almost extremest.
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  Speaker 2: Paydo it is what you would call it, because this
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  Speaker 2: is what they want to do on the weekend, because
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  Speaker 2: they killed innocent young civilians.
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  Speaker 7: Driven by curiosity, driven by collective grief, the people of
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  Speaker 7: Marj del Shams were drawn to the football pitch in
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  Speaker 7: the center of town, a place of indiscriminate slaughter, where
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  Speaker 7: their children had come to play. Twelve youngsters between the
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  Speaker 7: ages of eleven and sixteen killed in a playground by
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  Speaker 7: a powerful rocket. The town siren had been triggered, but
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  Speaker 7: the people on the pitch only had a few seconds
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  Speaker 7: to leave. A shelter in nearby proved too far for many.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, young people playing soccer that was in the Golan
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  Speaker 2: Heights since territory used to be occupied by Syria but
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  Speaker 2: held by Israel since it came under attack in that
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  Speaker 2: Six Day War of nineteen sixty seven, and this settlement
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  Speaker 2: and the victims there were mainly Arab people as well,
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  Speaker 2: that drews Arabs people who thousands of whom live happily
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  Speaker 2: and peacefully in Israel. So let me just summarize the
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  Speaker 2: situation as it stands there in Israel at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: because on October the sixth last year, despite all the
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  Speaker 2: past wars and the waves of terrorism and all the
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  Speaker 2: ongoing tensions and threats, Israel was running along peacefully enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's military was not in Gaza. It had not occupied
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  Speaker 2: Gaza since two thousand and five, when it withdrew and
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  Speaker 2: handed Gaza over to the Palestinians to run, and they
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  Speaker 2: tragically chose the Islamist terrorists of Hummas to run the
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  Speaker 2: show for them. But on October with the seventh last year,
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of Hummas terrorists left Gaza infiltrated southern Israel and
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  Speaker 2: slaughtered more than twelve hundred people. They slaughtered men, women, children,
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  Speaker 2: and babies. They slaughtered elderly people, They slaughtered families in
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  Speaker 2: their homes. They raped and murdered young people at the
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  Speaker 2: Nova Music festival. They hunted down girls and shot them
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  Speaker 2: point blank, and they took hundreds of hostages. So Israel
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  Speaker 2: since then has been at war with Hummas, who continued
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  Speaker 2: to fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli towns. Then hes Bala
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  Speaker 2: started firing rockets into northern Israel, and on top of that, Iran,
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  Speaker 2: the country funding and arming both Hummas and Hezbala, launched
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  Speaker 2: a direct drone attack itself. And then this month there
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  Speaker 2: was a drone attack in the heart of Israel in
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  Speaker 2: Tel Aviv, killing one person injuring many others, and it
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  Speaker 2: came from the Huti Rebels in Yemen, another Iranian backed
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  Speaker 2: Islamist terrorist group. So Israel is under attack from three
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  Speaker 2: Iranian backed Islamist terror groups and from Iran itself. These
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  Speaker 2: attacks are coming from the south, from the north, and
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  Speaker 2: from the east, and they are coming from groups using
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  Speaker 2: the most vile terrorist tactics, deliberately targeting innocent civilians, methods.
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  Speaker 1: That are clear war crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yet most of the international pressure, including from our own government,
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  Speaker 2: is on who.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's on Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow Israel is to blame why for existing or for
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  Speaker 2: daring to defend itself. This condemnation of Israel, this owners
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  Speaker 2: on the victim to bear responsibility for the attacks. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's morally repugnant, obviously, and it's also a strategic dead
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  Speaker 2: end because the trouble is this condemnation of Israel, rather
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  Speaker 2: than a global commitment to wipe out the terrorist groups
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  Speaker 2: or put more pressure on Iran, this condemnation of Israel
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  Speaker 2: just adds to the problem. It just fuels the ambitions
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  Speaker 2: of the terror groups, adds to their support, and it
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  Speaker 2: perpetuates the horror. Let's go now to Liberal Senator Dave Sharma.
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  Speaker 2: He's joining us live from Marimbrola in southern New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously he was a former Australian ambassador to Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: You must have been horrified by what transpired on the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: but like me, surely perplexed by the response seeming to
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  Speaker 2: be instantaneously more pressure on Israel.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I was horrified, Chris. I know that town of
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  Speaker 11: Mudgel Charms. Well, I know the football film there, I
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  Speaker 11: know some of the cafes nearby, and the people, as
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  Speaker 11: you mentioned, young children, teenagers playing football, all drews Arabs,
• 21:06
  Speaker 11: a minority group which many would be surprised to exist
• 21:10
  Speaker 11: peacefully in Israel. But I'm yet to see a proper
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: media release from our foreign minister or our government condemning
• 21:16
  Speaker 11: this killing of twelve innocent civilians. Yet they had a
• 21:20
  Speaker 11: lot of releases coming out last week talking about Israeli
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: set Le violence, talking about what Israel must do to
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: accept a ceasefire, all with the view of the New
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: South Wales Labor Party state conference, all domestically driven. But
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: when something like this happens, a horrific incident, we barely
• 21:37
  Speaker 11: hear anything from this government.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so perplexing and so worrying, and they're no strangers.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Of course, we can't pretend that Anthony Albanezi is not
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: doing anything that governments in New Zealand, in Canada, in
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Europe are as well. Many of them are so weak
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: on this issue. Of course, Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: has promised there'll be a retail It's.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Likely to be significant isn't it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: We've seen Israel before invade southern Lebanon to try and
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: clear out Hezbela and the terrorists.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So how worried.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: About are you about what the ramifications could be in
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: coming weeks.
• 22:14
  Speaker 11: Well, look, this has been the most deadly incident from
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: across Israel's northern border from Hesbela in several years. To
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: kill twelve civilians in a single blow is a shocking
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: loss of life, and of course Israel would be expected
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: to respond, and you pointed out rightly in your comments
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: there's about sixty to eighty thousand Israelis who would normally
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: be living in the north of the country who'd been
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: displaced because of the threat of rocket buyers. So there
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: is a lot of domestic political pressure on Israel's government
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: to remove the threat from Hesbela. Now Israel would like
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: the international community to do that. There is actually a
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: UN Security Council resolution which dates back to two thousand
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: and six, which mandates that there should be no militarization
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: in southern eleven on south of the Latani River, but
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: has violated it continuously by putting rockets, by putting installations
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: to the south of the river, and if the international
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: community won't act. The simple truth is Israel will need
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: to to guarantee its own security just on that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Then, finally, Dave, this is the big question I suppose
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in the strategic issues I talked there about how there's
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: three Iranian backed terror groups who have attacked Israel now
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: in the past nine months, as well as a direct
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: attack from Iran itself.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Obviously, the key malignant force here is Iran.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: What can the international community do to prevent them in flaming, supporting,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: funding and organizing these sorts of attacks.
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: Well, you're right, it's you know, the head of the octopus,
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: if you like, with all its tentacles throughout the region
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: is Iran. And I think the international community does need
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: to be putting more pressure on Iran than who she's in.
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: Yemen are backed by Iran. Hedbla in southern Lebanon has
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: been armed, funded, trained and financed by Iran. Hama Singhaza
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: has all got support from Iran. This is the source
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: of so many the problems in the Middle East, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: not just towards Israel, towards countries like Saudi Arabage, towards
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: countries like Jordan, towards countries like the Golf states. They
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: all feel the threat of Iran and they're all worried
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: about it. I think the international Committity should be focused
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: if we want peace in the Middle East. The biggest
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: detriment to peace, the biggest obstacle to peace is a
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: revisionist ram which wants to overturn the regional order. We
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: should be focusing our efforts on combating what they're trying
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: to do.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Spot On, Dave, thanks so much for joining us, so
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thanks Chris, Dave Shama there joining us
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: live from southern New South Wales's going to get to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a break. On the other side, catching up with Gematine
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Uni and Caroline durusso we'll be talking about the Paris
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Olympics organizers apologizing to Christians. Also reports that King Charles
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and Prince William have had a clash. Tell you why next,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: some big issues to talk to gem and Ton Yueni
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and Caroline der also about both joining me again Jemma
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: on Thella mat GT Communications and Caroline dur also host
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of the Royal Report. We'll get some royal stuff later, Carrow,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm really keen to hear from both of you
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: about the Olympics opening ceremony. I got up at silia
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: clock on Saturday morning because my boys wanted to watch them.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: We're up early watching it and it was all a
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: bit weird and bohemian. But was it offensive to Christians?
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: Germal Look, I am a Christian and a shocking plot
• 25:30
  Speaker 9: twist there, I know everyone, and I do think, Look,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: it was It's not something anyone would have done to
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: another religion that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Oh no, Charlie abdo about that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: But genuinely speaking, I think that that was I mean,
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: I'm not the type to go, well, I'm throwing my
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: toys out of the cot, but I did feel like
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: that was a really a really insensitive, offensive thing to do.
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: And I use the word offensive in the sense that
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: it doesn't bother my faith. My faith is not shaken
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: by that. But I look at that and go, what
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: a bunch of knobs, really, what a bunch of inset
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: my father And my father was right about the French Chris.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He's probably what did you something.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: To do with the Second World War?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Let's just leave it at that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So we used to always say in foreign affairs that
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the permanent five members of.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: The Security Council were the winners of World War Two
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and the French. There we go.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: This is the thing, right, I've been brought up in
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a Catholic household and everything's fair game, right, And there's
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: no doubt that there's a bit of sticky directed at Christianity,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and they love to throw it as much trans and
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: queer stuff as they can find a bit with. Generally,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: it's like, you're so sort of juvenile nobby if you
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: really want to have a go at some religions that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you might have some issues with their their social order,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that there are others you dare not you dare not mock,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and so it's just a bit purele and just distracts
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: from what's supposed to be a celebration of culture and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: of sport and of humanity.
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely, I think that's.
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: And again it's not going to shock you, Chris, that
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: I come from a Roman Catholic household. Probably the least
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: controversial surprising thing that I will ever say on this show. Look,
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: I found it pretty gosh. I found it pretty gosh.
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: But but like you, we grow up in a place
• 27:17
  Speaker 13: where you do get to lampoon and make fun of
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: well pretty much anything that you can get away with.
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: Lampooning and making fun of But again.
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: They've just shown us I suppose who they are, Chris
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: and and I suppose in a sense for me, it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 13: really funny because everyone thinks of the French as being,
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: you know, really stylish and really classic. Now that's the
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: Italian's friends showing us.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: What they really are.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: That's all I've got.
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: I don't know about this whole thing anytime, Gemma, he's
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: doing so well.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Look, I'll tell you what, but what about this?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Don't we The whole Olympic ceremony is about get opening ceremony.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: You have a bit of fluff, a bit of singing,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: but don't you get all the athletes into the stadium together.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And the French have decided, oh no, we're just going
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: to do it down the river. And it took forever
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and we never got that set well.
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: Like I said, I mean, it's the French like it's.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Launty pipe and got it right.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: And I'm not going to say anything if someone will
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: get cross. But I think of Sydney two thousand. I
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: remember sitting in the canteen at Channel seven Perth because
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: that was where I was professionally at the time. And
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: watching with my colleague, the great Allison Fan as that
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: horse came galloping into the stadium and the crack of
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: the whip and everybody took their breaths and it was
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: just such a beautiful celebration of parts of Australian culture.
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: And then, as you say, the athletes come out, this
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: was just the French being really really irritated.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I was at the Sydney opening ceremony.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It was it was pretty good. I wrote a story
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: about it once you can read it in the Australia.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I was very, very lucky to be there. Let's move
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: on to another A great talking point from the weekend,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: And these are these old comments of JD vancers.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: These made them three years ago. They're not that ancient, but.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: They've only come to light because Trump's chosen him as
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: his running mate.
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: Have a look, we're effectively run in this country via
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives
• 29:21
  Speaker 15: and the choices that they've made, and so they want
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: to make the rest of the country miserable too.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Wow, how about that car? How's that as an appeal?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: To women voters across America.
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: Well, there's a couple of things here. There's a couple
• 29:35
  Speaker 12: of things. I suppose it's a.
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: Very politically risky thing to say, right, because you are
• 29:40
  Speaker 13: going to alienate more people than you are ever going
• 29:43
  Speaker 13: to win with a comment like that. So I'm not
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: sure one would why you would make it in the
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: first place.
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: But it's one of those things that is said. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: I don't know if.
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: That was a really well thought about comment or and
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: off the cuff, but unfortunately, in the world of everything
• 29:59
  Speaker 13: being taped in the Internet, it becomes permanent. The fact
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: of the matter is, Chris, is that when people make
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: decisions like that, and some people it's their choice not
• 30:10
  Speaker 13: to get married and have children, and other people it's varying,
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: you know, circumstances that it ends.
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: Up being that way.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: If people haven't made that choice and they don't want
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: to actually be in that circumstance, making such a broad
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: and shallow assumption is very hurtful and I think very
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: unkind and insensitive to that group of people who you
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: have now totally alienated. But it also I look at
• 30:35
  Speaker 13: it from the point of view, Chris, why is it
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: that the decision to get married and have children is
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: the only right decision?
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: You know. Again, here's another revelation.
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: I'm not married and I don't have children, but I
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: like to think that I've made some good decisions and
• 30:49
  Speaker 13: I have dodged some bullets Chris, which I think more
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: people should probably do that. And if getting married and
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: having children was the only right decision, well then I
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: reckon we'd have a divorce.
• 31:00
  Speaker 12: Rates.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm so it's just so important because what you
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: say is true.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It's just an.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Insulting thing to say, Gemma, because you don't need you
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: can say family values are important and you've got to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: have family friendly policies. And guess what a lot of
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: childless people who support.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: That and promote that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: One of one of the greatest advocates I ever knew
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: for family policies was a dear late gay friend of mine.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: He never had any kids, but he supported conservative policies
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in Christopher Pearson.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But it's just so insulting. And now you don't have children, no,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and you're not a.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Cat lady, though you love your dogs.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: I have had four dogs and three horses, so I
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: guess that rules me out. I think the fundamental thing
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: about those comments are whether he's now saying that they
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: were satire and unintended whatever, I think they're fundamentally unkind
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: and it shows that he obviously hasn't had anything to
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: do with.
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: Someone like me.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: And I've written about this in the paper, so whilst
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: I'm not usually comfortable talking about this stuff in great detail,
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: like it wasn't my choice not to your mother, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: it's the probably the single biggest will probably be a
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: bruise on my heart this side of heaven.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: It was not my choice. It was beyond my control.
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: And there are millions of.
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: Women like me for whom circumstances, medical conditions, life decide
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: for them. They don't have a choice, and it's not
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: something that you can control. And in my own case,
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: I had to make peace with that or live the
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: rest of my life, you know, getting cranky about.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: It in a political ways, right, choose that aspect of
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: someone's life to attack.
• 32:29
  Speaker 9: Them, And I think it shows two things, a lack
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: of empathy, a lack of three things, lack of maturity and.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: A lack of kindness.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: Forget he's political now, because that's actually, for me, the lowest,
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: most important, the least important part of this equation, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: if Donald Trump had any brains, big question, he would
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: have come out and said mate, no, all words to
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: the effect.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: His wife seems to be a pretty intelligent.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's brilliant, right.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I hope you're getting a good talking to it, just
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: very very briefly. We haven't got much time to talk
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: about the reshuffle, which the reasons we've talked about earlier
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is a disaster I think for out the Alban Easy
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: not taking border protection seriously. But I've got some breaking news,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and that is a release has just come through that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is off to Israel. He's making a three
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: day visit to Israel, which I think is fantastic news.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: He's off today and he's going to be meeting obviously
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: with senior members there and this is a great decision
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: carry to go there, to show solidarity and actually show
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: up at the alb and Easy for not doing the same.
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, And we know that Penny Wong has gone,
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: but equally other members of the coalition have gone.
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: I think it's a.
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: Really important, a really important show of leadership and statesmanship.
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: And you know, no one has made Peter Dutton go.
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: It is a very good idea and he has just
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: taken it off his own back to go that and
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: it's an absolute shame on Anthony alban Easy and just
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: the continuation the Apps.
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: It's a low conger line of fence.
• 34:01
  Speaker 13: Sitting that we have seen from this labor government on
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: this issue.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: We are all out of time.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Caro and Jemma. I appreciate it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But that's good news. Breaking news there that Peter Dutton
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: is on his way to Israel for a three day visit.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to the break on the other
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: side of that. We're going live to Paris as Australia's
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Gold tally mounts. And also we'll have more on that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: jd Vance controversy with Adam Crichton in Washington.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Plenty still to come, including Adam Crichton in Washington d C.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Jd Vance under fire for comments about those women without
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: children we've just been discussing.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Also got media issues coming up with Sophie Ellsworth. But
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: first let's head.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: To Paris, so join him now live from Paris, Is
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: as Fox Sports News host Hannah Hollis in the City
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of Love.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Great to speak to you, Hannah. I hope you've been
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: loving it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It's been a pretty well special just started the Games
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: for Australia.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Hasn't it?
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 35:05
  Speaker 16: Chris?
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: So wonderful to chat to you?
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: Or should I say bonjour?
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: From a location that looks so beautiful it almost doesn't
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: look real, right, I promise you I'm not standing in
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: front of a green screen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: We are in the French.
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: Capitol and we've left the downpour and the rain to
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: the opening ceremony and now it really feels like a
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: Parisian summer and the Olympic Games well underway in Australia.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: She'd be proud.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: We are already claiming four gold medals and we're just
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: coming into day three of the Games. It's great to
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: be here, Jess Fox and how she is?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we go for jes Foster and Jess
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Fox because that was great viewing for Australia last night.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Was she looked a bit looked a bit chancy early on,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: but then came home strongly.
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: It almost was the perfect the perfect story, wasn't it?
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: Because it got off to a rocky start and everyone
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: had their hands in their mouths momentarily and herself had
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: to sit and wait for all the other competitors to run,
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: to swim, to paddle their races rather before she could
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: finally believe that the dream had come true and that
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: elusive gold medal in the kayak singles that has eluded
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: her for so long was finally hers. And the gold
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: means that she now has five individual medals, Chris, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: she now joins rare company the likes of Ian Thorpe,
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: Liesel Jones, Shirley Strickland and the current Chef di mission
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: for our Australian Olympic team, an Emirs as the only
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: Australians to do that. So everyone at home was cheering
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: jess Onn and I think at the Olympics, Chris, that's
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: the time we're allowed to say we are wholeheartedly biased
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: and all we want is green and gold victories, whether
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: it's in the pool, on the water, or on the
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: track or elsewhere wherever our amazing athletes are.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: What a great win and as you say, really completes
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the set for her.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying going through these Olympics for the first
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: time with my youngest boys Center and one of the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: first things they asked me this morning was how did
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the Matildas go that was some sort of a.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: Game, Oh Mondeur, Chris, I couldn't believe it. Have you
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: ever seen a football match, men's or women's decided by
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: eleven goals?
• 37:18
  Speaker 16: Goodness me.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Usually we have to sit through ninety minutes of action
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: and often it's a draw. But no, not the case.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: It took just forty two seconds for Zambia to score
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: against Australia. And I tell you what I think every
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: Aussie that got up in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 8: to watch that match just had their hands in their mouths, going,
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: please know these the ghosts of the three Niel drubbing
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: that Australia suffered at the hands of Germany coming back
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: to haunt the national side well. As the floodgate seemed
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: to open for Zambia against Australia, you'd be forgiven if
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: you thought it was history repeating itself. But at five
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: to two down, head coach Toni Gastafson put on Michelle Hayman. Now, Chris,
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: she's thirty six years old and a year ago Michelle
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: wasn't even part of the Matilda's squad and now now
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  Speaker 8: she is the single reason that that team, our wonderful
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: Matilda's that captured the heart of a nation last year
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  Speaker 8: at the World Cup. Is still a chance at progressing
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  Speaker 8: out of the pool of death poolsee and through to
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  Speaker 8: hopefully what could be a podium finish for the Matildas.
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  Speaker 2: So fantastic stuff there from the Matildas keeping their dreams alive, Hannah,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us, just the start of
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  Speaker 2: the day there for you. A big day ahead for
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the Aussies, hopefully some gold in the pool. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: to you tomorrow, Hannah Hollis there from Fox Sports Downards
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  Speaker 2: live from Paris.
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  Speaker 1: Brilliant stuff.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Now back to the US and Donald Trump's campaign has
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: hit that bump with JD. Van's underfire for his comment
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: about leftist policymakers and childless women.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It was made back in twenty twenty one. Here it
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: is again.
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  Speaker 15: We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via
• 38:58
  Speaker 15: our corporate oligarics, a bunch of childless cat ladies who
• 39:01
  Speaker 15: are miserable at their own lives and the choices that
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: they've made, and so they want to make the rest
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: of the country miserable too.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I asked The Australian's Adam Crichton in d C how
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: damaging this has been for Trump.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Well, certainly for the first week, I think it's been
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: very damaging. I mean it's you know, he's had to
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: explain himself. And as they say in politics, if you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: you know, if you're explaining, you're losing. And there's been
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of explaining this week.
• 39:24
  Speaker 16: So look, it's not been a great week.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: As you probably know, there's been lots of speculation here
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: that Trump ay actually dumping from the ticket, which I
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: think is unlikely. But the mere fact that so many
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: anonymous sources are being saying so from Republican SIDS is
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: is not great. I think it's still too early to
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: say what the medium term damage is from this. I mean,
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: of course, Kamala Harris, you know, is suddenly the presumptive nominees.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: She gets a honeymoon, you know, the media is settling
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: down still, there's been so much.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Happening in USUS and.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: As you know, so look let's just wait and see.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: But look, it's certainly not been positive.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is that JDV fans can't dismiss this it's
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: just a turn of phrase, some hot headed words or
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: something in an interview, because he said something very similar
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: very soon afterwards.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: In a speech.
• 40:10
  Speaker 15: Kamala Harris mayor Pete Budhajid, who's now the Secretary of Transportation,
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: Corey Booker AOC think all these people, they're different, they
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: come from different walks of life, different parts of the country.
• 40:22
  Speaker 15: What is the one thing that unites every single one
• 40:24
  Speaker 15: of them? Not a single one of them has any children.
• 40:28
  Speaker 15: Something else to build a political movement invested theoretically in
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: the future of this country when not a single one
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: of them actually has any physical commitment to the future
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: of this country.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Now, Adam, we all get this right. Families essentral in society.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Children are good, and you want policies that are family friendly.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: But you can't go around saying that you sort of
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: have no stake in the country and no interest in
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the future of the country if you don't have children.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: This is a silly thing to say to people you
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: want to vote for you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it really was very silly. And of course
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: it's worth pointing out that there are many Republicans without children.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's Senator Lindsay Graham, they're Senator Tim Scott.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: They just spring to mind right now.
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  Speaker 16: You know they don't have children, and so I.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Mean as he's suggesting that, you know that they have
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: the similar problem. Look, I think he really regrets that remark.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure he probably believes it though. I mean, that's
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: you know, that's his view of the world.
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  Speaker 16: I think, you know.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: The funny thing is this is maybe too esoteric, but
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: it reminds me as an economist. These criticisms were made
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: of John Maynard Paines very vociferously a lot in the
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: past because he had no children, and people used to
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: say that his whole economic system was, you know, is
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: based not about the future but about the present anyway,
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: just a little interesting historical and it.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Is indeed, But you say, j D. Vans regrets to
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: his comments, but he had the opportunity to walk back
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: from him to apologize for them in an interview with
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Megan Kelly over the weekend, and he seemed to double
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: down on them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: Have we look, it's not the criticism of people who
• 41:56
  Speaker 15: don't have children. I explicitly said in my remarks, despite
• 41:59
  Speaker 15: the fact that media has lied about this, that this
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons, didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for
• 42:07
  Speaker 15: becoming anti family, an anti child.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: That's the kind of the political policy argument behind it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: But he's hardly stepping down from them. And my point
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: about this, Adam is, I've got to be frank Well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I've always been interested in JD.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Vance.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I loved his book, and I thought he was a
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: fascinating choice as a vice presidential running mate. I always
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: thought it would be wise for Donald Trump to have
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: a female running mate, and especially now that he's up
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: against Kamala Harris, do you think he might use this
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: controversy as an excuse to get rid of JD. Vants
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and maybe have a female running mate. I mean, I'm
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a big fan of Nikki Hailey's. I know they've had
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of tension, but she would be a fantastic
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: running mate for Trump, wouldn't she.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, certainly, you couldn't rule that out. I mean, you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Trump is very unpredictable and he's very driven by well,
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: of course winning, as you know, he really wants to win.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: And if he thinks that the Advance is going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: be lied, wouldn't surprise me if he dumps him. There's still,
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: you know, just under four months to go, so look,
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: it remains to be seen. But as you say, I mean,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Vance did not really resolve from those comments, which you
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: know has not really helped. I think he believes them,
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: and I think also, you know, the explanations were a
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: bit disingenuous. I mean, he clearly did criticize people for
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: being childless.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: That was That's clearly what he said.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: So yeah, look, it's it's definitely not a good look.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look, especially when you want to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: track the votes of track the votes of women as
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: well as men. Weird times continue in the US, Adam,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: thanks for keeping us.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Up to date.
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: Thanks Chris, see you next time.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: No doubt we'll have some more nonsense from the US tomorrow.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: We'll see. Not that Adam's nonsense.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the issues so slightly nonsensical.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Coming up after the break.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Media News with Sophiel's with including Ida Buttrose telling ABC
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: journos to harden up. That's got to Melbourne, and catch
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: up with media writer for The Australian, Sophie Ellsworth, as
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: we do every media Monday.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Sophie.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Plenty happening in your media pages again and you're reporting
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: today of Ida Buttrose's comments.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: On the ABC. She's no longer chair of the ABC.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's unburdened her because she's suddenly talking a little
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: more sense about the ABC. Let's listen to her here
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: talking about covering both sides of any issue.
• 44:30
  Speaker 17: I think there's no harm in presenting both sides of
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: an argument, and I don't understand the reluctance of some
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: of our interviewers not to do that.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it had both sides of the story.
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: It's much better information for the viewer or the listener.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, Sophie, it's pretty good advice.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But she should have been saying that every day for
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the last four years when she was chaired.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: Well, Chris.
• 44:55
  Speaker 18: These comments by AA Butchrose today come about five miles
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: since she left the public broadcaster, and I think a
• 45:05
  Speaker 18: lot of people would be asking whether she was making
• 45:07
  Speaker 18: these remarks when she was chairperson at the.
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: ABC, because the ABC.
• 45:13
  Speaker 18: Is often accused of not presenting both sides of the argument,
• 45:17
  Speaker 18: and he's constantly criticized for this.
• 45:20
  Speaker 16: But her comments.
• 45:21
  Speaker 18: Today were very interesting given that she was recently chair.
• 45:25
  Speaker 18: So I put her comments to Kim Williams, who took
• 45:29
  Speaker 18: over from her as chair, but he declined to comment
• 45:32
  Speaker 18: on her comments today.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Chris, this is the same same Anderson as chair who
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: told me on camera in front, face to face and
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: we put to air that he would come on my
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: show and talk about ABC. He is used any time,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and he's never come on to comment, and now he
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: won't even comment about what he's fought past formost chair.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: The guy never actually puts us questions about the ABC.
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: So, just to be.
• 46:00
  Speaker 18: Clear, Chris, I put the questions to Kim Williams today,
• 46:04
  Speaker 18: not David Lawrence, and to Kim Williams the chair, just
• 46:07
  Speaker 18: to be clear, and he did not comment.
• 46:09
  Speaker 16: I was told there would be no comment. Oh good chair.
• 46:13
  Speaker 18: But I do think it's interesting that Ida Butchers has
• 46:17
  Speaker 18: come out and criticized the reporting at the ABC, given
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: she was only there a short time ago.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Chris, absolutely no spot on.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry, you're absolutely right you're talking about to Kim Williams,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: who succeeded her as chair. But I'd love to hear
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: from David Anderson about this or anything about the ABC
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: because always ducks for cover as well. I want to
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: show another clip of this Ida Buttrose interview though, because
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: it was conducted on the ABC by Patricia Carrvellis, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: she complained about the amount of criticism the ABC gets,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: or some of its journalists get. And here's what Ida
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Butchros had to say.
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: Quite frankly, I think you're all too sensitive about NewsCorp them.
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: Let them do what they want to do. It doesn't
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: really matter. If the ABC can't tak the criticism, well
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: then it just just should give up, you know, So
• 47:05
  Speaker 17: it doesn't matter what they're there, It doesn't matter. Don't
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: keep worrying about what they say. Just keep doing your
• 47:11
  Speaker 17: own job. You know what you have to do.
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: Do it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, such good advice again, Sophie. I mean, if they
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: can't take criticism, they should give up. I mean, the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: ABC's out there every day saying that the news corp is,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you know, the devil incarnate and we're all just promoting
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: some evil global agenda. I mean, who cares to just
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: get into the debate and do your job. But they
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: seem to be pretty fragile over there.
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: Well, she was saying basically, get on with it. As
• 47:39
  Speaker 16: we heard.
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: Chris, she made some very valid points, and we should
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: be holding the ABC to account because they are a
• 47:47
  Speaker 18: taxpayer funded organization that you and I and the viewers
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: pay for It was interesting that Patricia Carvellis said from
• 47:55
  Speaker 18: her own words that she's criticized this style of journalism
• 47:59
  Speaker 18: where journalists in certain themselves into the story.
• 48:02
  Speaker 16: I'm not the biggest fan of.
• 48:03
  Speaker 18: But the point here, Chris, is that the ABC should
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: be held to account at all times.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Incredible stuff.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And just also another big media story around at the
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: moment is nine journalists Chan nine media journalists being on strike.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: At the moment, it's over money.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: They want more pay now, good on them to negotiate
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: higher pay, but going on strike and I think is
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: abhorrent for journalists in normal times, let alone now when
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: there's so much happening in the world, including in the Olympics,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and nine have the rights and their own journal is
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: not turning up to work.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, is anyone going to miss them? The news
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: is still getting out there, isn't it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 16: Well, Chris, this couldn't have come at a worse time
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: for nine.
• 48:43
  Speaker 18: They have their lucrative broadcasting rights to the Paris Olympics,
• 48:47
  Speaker 18: and they've got five hundred odds staff who have walked
• 48:50
  Speaker 18: off the job for five days from Friday and won't
• 48:53
  Speaker 18: be back at their desks until Wednesday, they were offered
• 48:57
  Speaker 18: a ten and a half percent pay rise over three years.
• 49:00
  Speaker 16: They want twenty percent.
• 49:02
  Speaker 18: They said this isn't good enough and as a result
• 49:04
  Speaker 18: they've walked off the job.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Well shouldn't they just grow up and actually report the news.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: That's what they're paid to do, That's what they're expected
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to be committed to, and the whole world, especially people
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: in this country want to hear about the Olympic Games.
• 49:20
  Speaker 18: Well, Chris, as you know a lot of media organizations
• 49:23
  Speaker 18: and businesses outside of media are doing it tough at
• 49:26
  Speaker 18: the moment. So to get it a ten and a
• 49:29
  Speaker 18: half percent payoffer, I think many would argue that's a
• 49:32
  Speaker 18: pretty good deal at the moment over three years given
• 49:35
  Speaker 18: the challenges businesses have. But at the age Sydney Morning
• 49:39
  Speaker 18: Herald AFR they think this is not good enough.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable stuff all over it as usual, Sophie. Thanks so
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: much for joining us sofia's with the media writer for
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: The Australian. You can reader stuff in The Australian any time,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: but especially on Mondays. They have a lot of media
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: news their Monday media section. You've also got back to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: me about that story I told you about last week
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: how ABS Radio and Adelaide have sent their morning breakfast
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: crew to Paris for the Olympics, and many of you,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: like me agree it seems a rather dubious use of
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: taxpayers money.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: That's all the time we got for you tonight. I'll
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: be back tomorrow