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19 - Prince Philip - Duke of Edinburgh · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to you an Airwave Media podcast, But.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going back to that what now in the
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Speaker 2: history podcast? That is not your history class with me?
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Speaker 2: Exasperated host Katie Childwood, Buffalo wine connoisseur and reader of Picks.
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Speaker 3: So it's been a week. It's been a week.
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Speaker 2: It's been two weeks actually since you since you heard
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Speaker 2: from me.
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Speaker 3: I want to apologize.
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Speaker 2: I want to apologize. I it's been a hectic week.
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Speaker 2: We got called back to work suddenly because I'm now
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Speaker 2: essential woo and I also have a sophageal tear, which
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Speaker 2: is very unpleasant, to be blunt, but it means I'm
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Speaker 2: now currently on the Picky Toddler diet, you know, which
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Speaker 2: is gen a lot of beige and things shape like animals. Honestly, though,
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Speaker 2: I have never been so happy to see chicken nuggies
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Speaker 2: in my life. Like chicken nuggies make the pain go away.
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Speaker 2: The emotional pain. Physical pain very much still there, but
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Speaker 2: the emotional pain. I can't even have grapes like it's
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Speaker 2: so annoying, but it's fine. And I had to deal
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Speaker 2: with some like harassment and stuff on TikTok, But sometimes
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Speaker 2: I think, how much easier it would stop and just
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Speaker 2: stand down and just ignore.
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Speaker 3: And then I think to myself, why should I? Why
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Speaker 3: should I?
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Speaker 2: You know, why should I be the one to back
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Speaker 2: down and be silenced? Because if I don't stand up
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Speaker 2: to the bully, doesn't that mean the bully wins? And
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Speaker 2: generally when I deal with people, like, for the most part,
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Speaker 2: I'm not perfect, because for the most part, I'll turn
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Speaker 2: around in and I'll try and be like, this is
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Speaker 2: what you did, this is why it's wrong. Please take
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Speaker 2: a step back and reevaluate this. And other times I'm like,
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Speaker 2: at times, I don't have the patience for it, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, go choke on a bag of dicks. So
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Speaker 2: the news, the news has been a thing, and I
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Speaker 2: tend to not talk about modern stuff too much. But
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Speaker 2: Prince Philip has died. Oh the family have news, And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, go, bet, Prince Philip's dead. May Queen has
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Speaker 2: announced that her husband is dead. I was like, oh shit,
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Speaker 2: I'm standing. The next month, I'm going, oh, is it
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Speaker 2: weird that I'm like, compared to Margaret Thatcher, I see
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Speaker 2: him as the lesser evil And I know what you're thinking,
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Speaker 2: stop that gibber jabber and.
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Speaker 3: Fact me and so I shall fact you. But first
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Speaker 3: we're going to get our source on.
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Speaker 2: So these sources they're either if I couldn't get it
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Speaker 2: unkindled or online, it wasn't happening.
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Speaker 3: So we have the Duke one hundred.
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Speaker 2: Chapters in the Life of Prince Philip by Ian Lloyd
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Speaker 2: and Young Prince Philip, The True Story of his turbulent
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Speaker 2: early life by Philip eight and then and my husband
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Speaker 2: and I the inside Story of the royal marriage by
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Speaker 2: Ingrid Seward, and then everything else is Biography dot com,
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Speaker 2: History dot com, Britannica dot com. And yeah, yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: where we got all our information. So let's start at
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Speaker 2: the beginning. Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark was born
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Speaker 2: on Corfu, the Greek island, on the tenth of June
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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty one. He is the youngest child and only
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Speaker 2: son of Prince Andrew of Greece in Denmark and Princess.
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Speaker 3: Alice of Battenberg.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's basically a prince of both Greece and
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Speaker 2: Denmark and he's in the line of succession for both thrones.
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Speaker 3: So he has four older.
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Speaker 2: Sisters, Margarita, Theodora, Cecily, who is his favorite and he's
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Speaker 2: closest to and then Sophie. So he gets baptized in
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Speaker 2: the Greek Orthodox Church in Saint George's Church on the
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Speaker 2: Old Fortress and Corfu. So not long after Phil born
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Speaker 2: his grandfather, LOUI mc batten. He had become a naturalized
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Speaker 2: British subject who had a career in the Royal Navy
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Speaker 2: and had renounced all of his titles during the First
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Speaker 2: World War because like there was like a big anti
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Speaker 2: German sort of sentiment in Britain after the First World War.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you can guess why.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, the Greco Turkish War is going on and
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Speaker 2: effectively Greece. Grace basically blames King Constantine the First for
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Speaker 2: the defeat and he's forced to abdicate.
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Speaker 3: So the Greek Revolution is declared.
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Speaker 2: And the Greek army and navy they basically.
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Speaker 3: There's a coup.
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Speaker 2: So Constantine he's sattled for Sicily and he's like, I'm
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Speaker 2: never going back.
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Speaker 3: It's fine.
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Speaker 2: So a bunch of politicians and a general there's this
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Speaker 2: cuting called the twil of the Six, and there's a trial.
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Speaker 2: They get executed. It's a thing, and as far as
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Speaker 2: they're aware, Prince Andrew his life's going to be in danger,
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Speaker 2: and that Princess Alice is in danger, and all the
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Speaker 2: kids are in danger. So Prince Andrew and his family
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Speaker 2: they're effectively banished by the military government. They're banished from Greece,
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Speaker 2: so they flee on the h mess Calypso, which is
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Speaker 2: like this British navy vessel, and Philip is effectively smuggled
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Speaker 2: out in an orange crate, so it's a box for fruit,
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Speaker 2: but it's an orange create So they get the fuck
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Speaker 2: at a dodge and they.
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Speaker 3: Head to France.
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Speaker 2: So they end up staying in this house in Saint
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Speaker 2: Cloud because his aunt, Princess George of Greece and Denmark,
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Speaker 2: she's fairly rich. Philip never actually learns to speak Greek.
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Speaker 2: He understands it a bit, but he generally but he
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Speaker 2: spoke a variety of English, French, and German. But he
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Speaker 2: really thought of himself more as Danish. His parents' divorce,
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Speaker 2: Princess Alice, she gets diagnosed with schizophrenia and is placed
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Speaker 2: in a fucking asylum. His dad fucks off to Monte
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Speaker 2: Carlo and sets up there.
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Speaker 3: Four of his sisters.
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Speaker 2: They marry German princes and move to Germany and he
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Speaker 2: basically gets sent around from pillar to post, so he
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Speaker 2: goes to schools in Paris, in England and Germany. Like
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Speaker 2: he ends up on the one in Germany because his
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Speaker 2: brother in law owns it and so they don't have
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Speaker 2: to like pay fees. Eventually he gets sent to Gordonstown
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Speaker 2: School in Scotland, which was founded by cut Hand who
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Speaker 2: was Jewish and he was basically fleeing persecution with the
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Speaker 2: rise of Nazis. I'm in Germany in nineteen thirty seven
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Speaker 2: when Phillip's like sixteen, his sister Cecily, his favorite sister,
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Speaker 2: her and her husband George Dnatis, and her two sons,
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Speaker 2: Ludwig and Alexander, her mother in law and governess a
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Speaker 2: famous glider pilot, her mother in law and then like
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Speaker 2: three crew and also Sithy was pregnant at the time,
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Speaker 2: which was very far under pregnancy, and she actually gives
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Speaker 2: birth on this flight they're supposed to be heading to
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Speaker 2: their flying from Munich to London for a royal wedding
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Speaker 2: of some kind. There's bad weather, they have to divert.
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Speaker 2: They hit off this chimney and the plane crashes and
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Speaker 2: everybody dies. So in nineteen thirty nine, Philip leaves Gordonstown. Gordonstown,
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Speaker 2: I should say, actually life at Gordonstown inspire him when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the Chug of Edinburgh, a wards that
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about in a wee minute. So Philip,
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Speaker 2: he basically completes a term as a cadet at the
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Speaker 2: Royal Naval College in Dartmouth, and while he's there, his
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Speaker 2: uncle gets him to escort the princesses Elizabeth and Margaret
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Speaker 2: during a royal visit because King George the Sex and
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Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth are there, and Elizabeth she's because apparently Philip
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Speaker 2: quote unquote looks like a Viking, and she's thirteen years
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Speaker 2: old and her hormones are starting to come out.
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Speaker 3: And she's like bown now now Now. Philip and Elizabeth.
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Speaker 2: Are third cousins through Queen Victoria, and their second cousins
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Speaker 2: once removed, through King Christian the ninth of Denmark. So
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth is absolutely smitten and she starts writing to him
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Speaker 2: when she's thirteen and he's eighteenth this point, so they
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Speaker 2: start writing Like a lot of the time, I see
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Speaker 2: people saying that they started courting when she was thirteen,
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Speaker 2: but that's no that wouldn't have been allowed by any
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Speaker 2: sort of stretch of the imagination. And so they start
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Speaker 2: writing to one another anyway, and you know, he finishes
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Speaker 2: his first term at Dartmouth and he moves back to Greece.
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Speaker 2: He lives with his mom for a month in the
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Speaker 2: middle of like in sort of mid nineteen thirty nine.
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Speaker 2: And this is after him like barely speaking to his
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Speaker 2: mother since she was committed to an asylum.
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Speaker 3: So while he's with his mom, his.
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Speaker 2: First cousin, King George the second of Greece is like, hey, buddy,
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Speaker 2: I think maybe you should continue and go back to
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Speaker 2: the World Navy. And you know, because here's the thing,
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Speaker 2: Philip compared even though he had a title, he had
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Speaker 2: no money, he had nothing.
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Speaker 3: He was completely like done. So like, it's weird. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie that it's weird.
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Speaker 2: Corresponding writing letters to a thirteen year old when you're
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Speaker 2: eighteen kind of creepy. But and I mean his uncle
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Speaker 2: was pushing him into it, But that doesn't change the
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Speaker 2: fact that it is, you know, a bit creepy. Okay,
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Speaker 2: So people kept bringing up the fact that their cousins,
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Speaker 2: like their third cousins.
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Speaker 3: On one side, and then second cousins once removed.
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Speaker 2: On the other and it's like, yeah, because their royalty
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Speaker 2: in Europe and at that point anybody prominent would have
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Speaker 2: been married to somebody prominent. So nineteen thirty nine hits
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Speaker 2: later on nineteen thirty nine and Philip so basically during
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Speaker 2: his time in the war, he ends up becoming first lieutenant,
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Speaker 2: I think, like a second some kind of lieutenant.
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Speaker 3: Like he saves, like his crew from a bomber ship.
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Speaker 2: He gets the Greek Cross, he's mentioned in dispatches, you know,
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Speaker 2: for his bravery.
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Speaker 3: And all this kind of shit, and all in all.
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Speaker 2: As a navy man, as a military man, like he
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Speaker 2: basically he's doing you know, he's doing the job.
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Speaker 3: He's being that thing.
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Speaker 2: And one thing we seem to forget about him being
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Speaker 2: in the navy is the fact that he kind of
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Speaker 2: had to because.
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Speaker 3: He had nothing else. He had no money, he barely
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Speaker 3: had a title.
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Speaker 2: By giving himself a career, he would be able to
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Speaker 2: do something and not have to rely on rich relatives.
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Speaker 3: Giving him money and shit. Like he's mainly in you know,
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Speaker 3: sailing in the Pacific. He's there when Japan signs like the.
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Speaker 2: Peace Treaty and during all this time he's writing letters
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Speaker 2: to Princess Elizabeth. But what point And you could remember
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Speaker 2: during those periods, a royal engagement, any kind.
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Speaker 3: Of engagement really at the time like would be short.
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Speaker 2: A long engagement was not a thing anybody had, Like
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Speaker 2: engagements for expected to be short and then you would
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Speaker 2: get married. Nineteen forty six comes along and Philip is
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Speaker 2: he's he's basically doing teaching stuff because you know, the
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Speaker 2: war's over, and he starts showing up at a lot
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Speaker 2: of these events. He's generally escorting Elizabeth. He's doing the
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Speaker 2: courting shenanigans, and he asks King George for Elizabeth's hand
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Speaker 2: in marriage.
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Speaker 3: King George is.
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Speaker 2: Like, I want to wait until after her twenty first
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Speaker 2: birth two tin hounds it and he's like, I guess so.
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Speaker 3: And that's when you really start seeing him show up more.
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Speaker 3: And he has to go around and he's at all
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Speaker 3: of these fancy events.
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Speaker 4: With the aristocracy, and unlike a lot of the British aristocracy,
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Speaker 4: he's fucking poor, like he's poor poor, He's got no money,
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Speaker 4: no mulla, none.
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Speaker 3: Of that good stuff.
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Speaker 2: So Phillip's hanging around with the aristocracy and shit, and
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Speaker 2: it's a very different circle to what he's in because
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Speaker 2: he's a you know, he's a navy man and he's
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Speaker 2: also poor fuck, so like he's very much looked down upon.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't have the social errors and graces that one
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Speaker 2: would expect someone to have. Yeah, so they celebrate her
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Speaker 2: for twenty first birthday, then they announce the engagement.
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Speaker 3: In nineteen forty seven, they announce their engagement and then
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Speaker 3: they get married. In order for them to get married,
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Speaker 3: he has to.
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Speaker 2: Renounce the Greek and Danish titles, so like he's no
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Speaker 2: longer Prince Philip, he's no longer a prince.
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Speaker 3: He has to remove and he has no titles he
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Speaker 3: so he does this.
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Speaker 2: He becomes a naturalized very subject and then he takes
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Speaker 2: the Anglicized version of his mother's maiden name, so Battenberg
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Speaker 2: becomes Mount Batton. But like the day before the wedding,
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Speaker 2: King George he's like, I'm gonna make you the Duke
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Speaker 2: of Edinburgh, which I think only two people had ever
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Speaker 2: had before. So, while they're married, because she's still a princess,
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Speaker 2: like on her own, she would be referred to as
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Speaker 2: Princess Elizabeth, but when they were treated as a couple,
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Speaker 2: they would be referred to the Duke and Duchess of
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Speaker 2: Edinburgh because patriarchy, even though she has a higher peerage
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Speaker 2: than him.
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Speaker 3: So they have two kids, they have Charles and Ann.
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Speaker 2: They're living in Clarence House, and he gets like a
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Speaker 2: commander position of the HMUs magpie, you know, and he
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Speaker 2: continues to have his sort of navy, his naval career
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Speaker 2: as long as you know, King George is still alive,
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Speaker 2: so bit bash bosh, So King George he's got stomach cancer.
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Speaker 2: He's getting sicker and sicker and sicker, and as such,
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Speaker 2: when like the head royal, it's unable to do like
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Speaker 2: so many duties. So then that the senior royals have
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Speaker 2: to then take on those roles, which would be like
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Speaker 2: now that she's twenty one, be Princess Elizabeth. So they
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Speaker 2: end up doing like a tour of Canada, and they're
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Speaker 2: doing a tour like the Commonwealth. So they end up
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Speaker 2: in Kenya, and it's in Kenya where they are informed
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Speaker 2: that King George is dead, and this changes both of
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Speaker 2: their lives because up until up until his illness took cold,
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Speaker 2: they had as much of a normal life as anyone in.
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Speaker 3: Their position could have.
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Speaker 2: They're doing the tour of the Commonwealth, and they end
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Speaker 2: up in Kenya, and he is the one who's told
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Speaker 2: the news regarding King George's death, and now he is
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Speaker 2: the one who has to tell his wife that not
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Speaker 2: only has her father died, but she is now Queen
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Speaker 2: of England. And not only does he have to deal
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Speaker 2: with the fact that his wife is grieving, but he
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Speaker 2: now has to be aware that anything that was his
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Speaker 2: own is now gone. He is now a subject of
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Speaker 2: the crown one way or the other, if you take
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Speaker 2: it to consideration the context of the time and the
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Speaker 2: sociological sort of framework of the era. Not only is
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Speaker 2: he a man he has to be subservient to his
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Speaker 2: wife in an official capacity, but he also had like
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Speaker 2: a sense of duty.
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Speaker 3: So it's reported that basically.
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Speaker 2: Philips standing there and he looks like his world is
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Speaker 2: caving it and he's crushed. You can like, not often
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Speaker 2: do you see a motion on that man's face, but
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Speaker 2: apparently it was very apparent at the time. And they
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Speaker 2: basically fly straight back to England and Elizabeth her coronation
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Speaker 2: is held off for like a year or six months
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Speaker 2: or so, like there there's a delay, So the discussion
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Speaker 2: then happens like King George is barely the body's probably
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Speaker 2: still warm at this point, and people are having an
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Speaker 2: argument over the name of the house, like what name
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Speaker 2: will this royal household take?
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Speaker 3: And obviously the Mount Battens are like House.
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Speaker 2: Of Mountbatan, like ah, And you know, Philip's suggestion is,
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Speaker 2: you know, the House of Edinburgh, because why not name
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Speaker 2: it after the Duke jum they've been known as the
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Speaker 2: Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh. Queen Mary, the Derwager Queen,
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Speaker 2: she hears about this, and she's like, no, fuck this
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Speaker 2: for a game of soldiers. I'm gonna go chat to
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Speaker 2: Winston fucking Churchill, the baked ham of a man, and
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Speaker 2: he advises Elizabeth that this shouldn't happen.
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Speaker 3: So Philip gets.
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Speaker 2: Fucking mad because all of this happened, and it means
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Speaker 2: that he is the only man in the country whose
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Speaker 2: children do not have his surname. And what they do
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Speaker 2: is but then do you come to this sort of
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Speaker 2: agreement that the name's Mount Batton Windsor will be used
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Speaker 2: for any male descendants who do not have a peerage
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Speaker 2: or titles of like prince, princess whatever, or typically don't
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Speaker 2: have like the title of like we're not in like
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Speaker 2: the direct line of succession, so technically I think Harry
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Speaker 2: would probably be known as Mount Baton windsor now I
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Speaker 2: think so like when they would go to school and stuff,
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Speaker 2: the princes, like they would the name of Baton windsor anyway,
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Speaker 2: Philip basically pulls a Prince Albert. Right, He's looking around
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Speaker 2: and he's like, what's going on here? Like he's seen
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Speaker 2: revolutions happen. He's lost so many parts of his family
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Speaker 2: because like he made a comment before about why he
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Speaker 2: didn't like the Russians because they killed half his fucking
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Speaker 2: family and yeah, okay, and you know, but like yeah, so,
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Speaker 2: like you know, he's very aware of revolutions. He's very
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Speaker 2: aware of what it can be like to be banished
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Speaker 2: from your country and the importance of a dutiful monarchy.
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Speaker 3: Like that's his perspective.
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Speaker 2: And he gets put in charge of the coronation, so
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Speaker 2: he's like the head of the coronation committee, and he's like, listen,
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Speaker 2: we need to bring like TVs are in households, make
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Speaker 2: this an event. We want people to see the queen.
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Speaker 2: We want them to see you. Like Philip was all
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Speaker 2: about reforming the monarchy because he sees what happens when
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Speaker 2: you don't, and like it was his idea to have
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Speaker 2: the cameras in the Queen's coronation and him and the
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Speaker 2: Queen Mother. They used to get into some spats, which
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be surprising because the Queen Mother was of the
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Speaker 2: fucking worst. They always portray her, I think because of
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Speaker 2: because of like TV shows like Expitting Image, which was
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Speaker 2: like a show bit Puppets at the time in the nineties.
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Speaker 2: They would portray the Queen Mother as a sort of
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Speaker 2: lovely old Yorkshire lady who but in fact she was
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Speaker 2: actually an absolutely gob.
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Speaker 3: She and orchestrated things anyway, not the point. Not the point.
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Speaker 2: So the Queen gets coronated, and so Liz she decides
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Speaker 2: to give Philip a title.
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Speaker 3: He becomes Prince Philip, did you give Edinburgh? So now
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Speaker 3: he's the Prince.
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Speaker 2: Basically gives him presidents when it comes to presidents of
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Speaker 2: everything except in Parliament, where he's second.
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Speaker 3: To Basically what she says is he's the top man
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Speaker 3: in the.
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Speaker 2: Country and no one is above him except in Parliament
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Prince of Wales.
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Speaker 3: So Philip was really inspired by as Tim at Gordonstown,
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Speaker 3: and he felt like this was.
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Speaker 2: The making of and that that helped him in whatever
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Speaker 2: way he felt like it bettered him as a person,
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Speaker 2: and as such he used the core the fundamental concepts
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Speaker 2: of Gordonstown by Carl Hann to create the Duke of
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Speaker 2: Edinburgh a Wards.
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Speaker 3: So basically in nineteen fifty six and the Duke of
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Speaker 3: Edinburgh a Ward.
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Speaker 2: It's created and it's for boys initially between the ages
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Speaker 2: of fifteen and eighteen. And it was designed for boys
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Speaker 2: who weren't really interested in joining any of the other
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Speaker 2: sort of ruth movements in Britain at the time, so
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Speaker 2: like the Scouts or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: The whole point of it was like you didn't have
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Speaker 3: to join an organization. He didn't have to wear our.
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Speaker 2: Uniform, you know, you could just be involved and what
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Speaker 2: was it. In the first year, seven thousand boys had
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Speaker 2: enrolled in the scheme, So in nineteen fifty eight girls
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Speaker 2: were able to join the program too, but the program
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Speaker 2: was different for girls than it was for boys. But
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Speaker 2: then and the age range was also from fourteen to twenty.
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Speaker 2: But then in nineteen sixty nine, a decad later, the
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Speaker 2: program was basically changed to involve young people from the
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Speaker 2: ages of fourteen to twenty one, and it was like
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Speaker 2: a single program, so it wasn't like a boy section
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Speaker 2: or a girls section.
19:10
Speaker 3: It was all one then.
19:11
Speaker 2: So basically there's a bunch of award programs in it's
19:14
Speaker 2: stuff like so there's objectives in all of these like
19:17
Speaker 2: different areas. So there's a like a physical one, so
19:19
Speaker 2: you have to improve in like the area of sport
19:21
Speaker 2: or dance or some kind of fitness skills which is
19:24
Speaker 2: practical and social skills and personal interests. Volunteering, so you're
19:29
Speaker 2: basically you know, volunteering its services that you know for
19:33
Speaker 2: individuals or the community. And then an expedition, so planning
19:38
Speaker 2: training for and completing an adventurous journey in the UK
19:42
Speaker 2: or abroad. Now this Gold level comes in and basically
19:46
Speaker 2: the participants have to do this like fifth residential section,
19:50
Speaker 2: so they have to like stay and work away from
19:52
Speaker 2: home for five days doing this like shared activity.
19:56
Speaker 3: So yeah, like the three.
19:57
Speaker 2: Levels Bronze, Silver and Gold like three to six months,
20:01
Speaker 2: sixty eight months, twelve to eighteen months respectively.
20:03
Speaker 3: So this was mainly for Mainland and Duk and then
20:06
Speaker 3: so if you.
20:06
Speaker 2: Were in northern Ireland and you were involved, you had
20:08
Speaker 2: the option of getting the GASCA cert or the Duke
20:10
Speaker 2: of Verebersert, like it's up to you. And then in
20:12
Speaker 2: a bunch of other countries, there's a bunch of like
20:14
Speaker 2: organizations that are either based on or supported by the
20:18
Speaker 2: Duke of verebra A ward and it becomes a big thing.
20:20
Speaker 2: And I actually almost participated in the Duke of Edinburgh
20:25
Speaker 2: Awards when I was in college, but decided against it
20:28
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't know what physical activity
20:31
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do because I've got no physical skills.
20:35
Speaker 3: I've got scoliosis and other shit.
20:37
Speaker 2: So yeah, after Elizabeth, you know, as sense to the throne,
20:41
Speaker 2: Prince Philip, his naval queer technically has to end, but
20:44
Speaker 2: he's still involved in the armed forces.
20:47
Speaker 3: Like he was made Admiral of Secredet Corps.
20:50
Speaker 2: He was an Air Commodore in Chief for the Air
20:52
Speaker 2: Training Corps and a Colonel in chief at the Army
20:54
Speaker 2: Cadet Force, and then in fifty three he becomes the
20:57
Speaker 2: Admiral of the Fleet Marshal of the Royal Air Force
20:59
Speaker 2: and Field Marshal.
21:00
Speaker 3: So over the years, he you know, he does the thing.
21:02
Speaker 2: He accompanies Elizabeth on all these state visits openings of
21:06
Speaker 2: Parliament and becomes a president and patron of like eight
21:11
Speaker 2: hundred organizations and charities in him being like a physical person,
21:15
Speaker 2: like so yeah, most of his stuff was you know,
21:17
Speaker 2: related to sport and welfare of young people. So in
21:21
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty one, Prince Philip makes history by being the
21:25
Speaker 2: first member of the royal family to be interviewed on
21:28
Speaker 2: the television, which went probably better than could be expected
21:32
Speaker 2: Philip to be honest, it's like he was being interviewed
21:34
Speaker 2: today with the.
21:35
Speaker 3: Commonwealth Technical Training Way.
21:37
Speaker 2: So he becomes like the chancellor of like a bunch
21:40
Speaker 2: of universities Edinburgh, not surprised there, Cambridge, Wales and Salvard.
21:46
Speaker 2: And in nineteen sixty one Philip actually becomes the first
21:50
Speaker 2: president of the World Wildlife Fund UK and that's up
21:53
Speaker 2: until nineteen eighty two, and he also becomes the international
21:57
Speaker 2: President of the WWF from eighty one.
22:01
Speaker 3: To ninety six.
22:02
Speaker 2: So like during the time, So Philip, he gets asked
22:05
Speaker 2: at one point in the seventies, you know, whether he's
22:08
Speaker 2: like the Prince Albert to Victoria, like if he's the
22:10
Speaker 2: real power behind the throne, and he's like no, So Basically,
22:15
Speaker 2: these reports come about every now and again about the
22:18
Speaker 2: Chuic of Vitegra and the Queen, like drifting apart and
22:21
Speaker 2: like behind closed doors. When it comes to personal matters,
22:25
Speaker 2: he was effectively the man of the house, but when
22:28
Speaker 2: it came to matters of state and official things like that,
22:31
Speaker 2: she was the boss. The fact that they were able
22:33
Speaker 2: to reconcile that as a couple, So yeah, him being.
22:37
Speaker 5: The boss behind the doors is like the reason that
22:40
Speaker 5: Prince Charles ended up being sent to Gordonstown instead of
22:44
Speaker 5: something a bit closer to home, a bit more befitting
22:47
Speaker 5: someone of Charles's temperament.
22:49
Speaker 3: He gets sent to Gordonstown because that's what Philip wants.
22:52
Speaker 2: So during this long, long marriage there was this whole
22:55
Speaker 2: thing of like, did Prince Philip cheat.
22:58
Speaker 3: On the Queen? And it's for the most part.
23:03
Speaker 6: No.
23:03
Speaker 2: If he did, it was with one person, because we
23:07
Speaker 2: only have evidence for one basically the actress pat Kirkwood,
23:12
Speaker 2: whose legs were once called the egh the wonder of
23:16
Speaker 2: the world. So they met on at least seven occasions,
23:19
Speaker 2: and she always like denied there was any kind of
23:22
Speaker 2: relationship between them. But Kirkwood tells a journalist and I quote,
23:27
Speaker 2: A lady is not normally expected to offend her own
23:29
Speaker 2: so she says that Prince Philip comes uninvited into her
23:32
Speaker 2: dressing room. The Dunchess of Abercorn had a quote unquote
23:36
Speaker 2: passionate friendship with the Duke, but there's no real evidence
23:40
Speaker 2: saying that he was unfaithful. And sometimes I have to
23:43
Speaker 2: wonder like would he be so stupid as to do
23:45
Speaker 2: that though, because if you're married to the Queen, I
23:48
Speaker 2: feel like it would be pretty easy to be like,
23:50
Speaker 2: look at motherfucker here, he's cheated.
23:52
Speaker 3: On the Queen.
23:53
Speaker 2: So oh yeah. He also so he supports things like BAFTA,
23:57
Speaker 2: the International Questrian Federation. Isn't surprising because you know Princess
24:02
Speaker 2: Anne of the British Heart Foundation, so on and so forth.
24:05
Speaker 2: So reforming, reforming, that's right, that's where we are. The
24:09
Speaker 2: Christmas Message which the Monarcoliys does, it was Philip's idea
24:13
Speaker 2: to have it be televised because again the image of
24:16
Speaker 2: the Queen seeing the Queen having that message go into
24:19
Speaker 2: the homes of people at Christmas time, which was very
24:23
Speaker 2: important to them.
24:24
Speaker 3: Just made a lot more sense. So that's what they do.
24:26
Speaker 6: They do that.
24:27
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense. It was also his idea for that.
24:29
Speaker 2: Really awful documentary they cover it in The Crown.
24:34
Speaker 3: It is so bad that it was never repeated.
24:37
Speaker 6: It just like the concept I think was a good idea,
24:41
Speaker 6: but the follow through was just fucking atrocious, Like it
24:45
Speaker 6: wasn't just so, yeah, he's doing all these reforms because
24:49
Speaker 6: he's looking around at stuff and he's like, why are
24:51
Speaker 6: you doing it this way?
24:52
Speaker 3: Like like Footman's powdered wigs. He's like, why what is
24:57
Speaker 3: the point of this? So basically there's this whole thing
25:00
Speaker 3: about how the worlds get paid.
25:02
Speaker 2: So basically the world is getting allowed which has to
25:05
Speaker 2: go towards their official juries. Anything they don't use that
25:08
Speaker 2: doesn't go towards that gets taxed. So in general it
25:12
Speaker 2: gets used because it pays like staff and everything else.
25:15
Speaker 2: And for being the gruff arsehole that he is, he's
25:18
Speaker 2: actually pretty welcoming when it comes to outsiders with regards
25:24
Speaker 2: to the royal family because he was one himself. So
25:26
Speaker 2: while King George is still alive, so before they you know,
25:29
Speaker 2: they're taking on a few more raw juries. And Princess
25:32
Speaker 2: Margaret she's starting this sort of affair with Townsend, who's
25:36
Speaker 2: this for King Georgie's private secretary or whatever it is,
25:39
Speaker 2: and they start having this affair. But Townsend is divorced.
25:44
Speaker 2: Like there's all this stuff about like Philip intervening, and
25:47
Speaker 2: he didn't because he didn't see the point of intervening
25:49
Speaker 2: in anyone's relationships.
25:50
Speaker 3: He thought, oh, he's going to take a step back.
25:52
Speaker 2: But when it comes to Margaret in Townsend, the reason
25:55
Speaker 2: that their relationship didn't blossom was because because he was divorced,
26:00
Speaker 2: she could not marry him.
26:01
Speaker 3: Like that's the royal family, that was their whole thing.
26:03
Speaker 3: So Margaret was basically giving a choice. The choice was
26:05
Speaker 3: either marry him.
26:06
Speaker 2: You can marry him, but you lose all of your titles,
26:09
Speaker 2: you give up your line of succession, you give up
26:11
Speaker 2: everything to do with the monarchy. You become probably as
26:14
Speaker 2: common as an ex world could.
26:15
Speaker 3: Be, you know what I mean. But she chose a
26:18
Speaker 3: monarchy anyway. Now we get to Charles and Diana.
26:23
Speaker 7: So he's the one who basically tells Charles to shit
26:26
Speaker 7: or get off the pot. When it comes to Diana,
26:28
Speaker 7: he's like, either marry the girl or step away. Diana
26:33
Speaker 7: is put in place for Charles because she is a
26:36
Speaker 7: nice Protestant virgin and they want them to get married.
26:39
Speaker 7: So they get married, YadA, YadA, YadA. When they both
26:42
Speaker 7: start having affairs and doing all that kind of stuff,
26:46
Speaker 7: Philip tries to like mend the rift.
26:48
Speaker 2: She's like, guys, come on, you're all acting the deck
26:52
Speaker 2: and they're and you know, he's trying to get them
26:56
Speaker 2: to reconcile. It doesn't fucking work, and to the point
27:01
Speaker 2: where he actually writes to Diana going, I'm really disappointed
27:06
Speaker 2: in you both, and frankly, you need and he's like,
27:09
Speaker 2: you need to sort of look at this from each
27:10
Speaker 2: other's point of view, so on and so forth, needle
27:13
Speaker 2: us to say this does not have the desired effect.
27:17
Speaker 2: And they get divorced and he's like, wow, well fuck it.
27:19
Speaker 3: Basically a year after the divorce is finalized, here's the thing.
27:22
Speaker 3: When Diana dies.
27:23
Speaker 2: They're all in bull Moral at the time that Diana
27:25
Speaker 2: dies in ninety seven, and the boys want to go
27:29
Speaker 2: to church, so, you know, Philip and Liz they take
27:31
Speaker 2: them to church. They basically keep the boys hidden in
27:35
Speaker 2: ball Moral and they don't make public appearances because these
27:38
Speaker 2: children have just lost their mother and they.
27:41
Speaker 3: Don't want them being hunted by the fucking tabloids just
27:44
Speaker 3: fair enough. This one, this one fucking bugs me so much.
27:48
Speaker 3: So the boys are unsure on whether or.
27:51
Speaker 2: Not they want to walk behind the coffin at Diana's funeral,
27:54
Speaker 2: and basically her brother, Diana's brother, Earl Spencer, he told,
27:59
Speaker 2: you know, Prince Philip that the boys really want to
28:01
Speaker 2: do it, but they're just scared of doing it alone.
28:03
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah.
28:04
Speaker 2: You know, but they really want to do it. He
28:05
Speaker 2: was like, they really want to, but they're really scared
28:08
Speaker 2: about it. And Philip's like, you know, I you know,
28:11
Speaker 2: I think you'll be going to if you're not involved.
28:13
Speaker 3: And so Philip goes to his grandchildren and says, I'll walk.
28:18
Speaker 3: You can walk with me.
28:19
Speaker 2: Initially, Philip didn't want to fucking walk behind the coffin.
28:22
Speaker 2: He was like, no, they shouldn't have to be put
28:25
Speaker 2: on a public spectacle like this in this fashion because
28:28
Speaker 2: they're fucking children, and and he ends up having to,
28:33
Speaker 2: and he ends up being the turning point in them
28:35
Speaker 2: doing a thing he didn't want them to do. I'm like,
28:38
Speaker 2: I don't like Philip the most, you know, for the
28:40
Speaker 2: most part. So Philip is fucking pissed when he finds
28:44
Speaker 2: out that they didn't want to do it at all
28:47
Speaker 2: and that this was all orchestrated by fucking Spencer.
28:49
Speaker 3: But whatever. So another thing that happens.
28:52
Speaker 2: Because technically he's like like the head of the Freemasons
28:54
Speaker 2: or whatever. So like a lots of people are convinced
28:57
Speaker 2: that Prince Philip ordered a hit out on Diana, which
29:02
Speaker 2: honestly doesn't make sense. And like, I'm a true crime
29:07
Speaker 2: obsessive and I have looked and delved into this because
29:10
Speaker 2: I was alive when this happened, and I've were obsessed
29:13
Speaker 2: with the fact, and.
29:14
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's just a horrific accident.
29:16
Speaker 2: And if you're looking for somebody to blame for Diana's death,
29:19
Speaker 2: blame the fucking paparazzi.
29:22
Speaker 3: It was them. Prince Philip maybe a dick ninety eight
29:25
Speaker 3: percent of the time, but he didn't kill her.
29:28
Speaker 2: So by two thousand and nine, Philip he becomes the
29:31
Speaker 2: He becomes the longest serving British royal consort, and he
29:36
Speaker 2: gets interviewed when he's seventy nine years old, and he
29:40
Speaker 2: says he couldn't imagine anything worse than being a centenarian.
29:43
Speaker 2: He didn't want to love to be one hundred because
29:45
Speaker 2: bits of him were falling off already. So during the
29:48
Speaker 2: Queen's Golden Jubilee, you know, he's supposed to start like
29:51
Speaker 2: reducing his royal duties, and he's like, he's like by
29:54
Speaker 2: the time he's ninety, They're like, yeah, I'm gonna start
29:56
Speaker 2: slowing down on these royal juties. I'm going to do
29:58
Speaker 2: less of them. And like every year they waited for
30:02
Speaker 2: him to do less, and like on his nineteenth birthday,
30:05
Speaker 2: as a wedding gift, the Queen gives him the title
30:08
Speaker 2: of Lord High Admiral and then later on in the
30:11
Speaker 2: year he ends up he suffers some chest pains, he
30:14
Speaker 2: has to get a stent in his heart. He has
30:16
Speaker 2: to get a stent in and go through coronary in
30:20
Speaker 2: coronary angioplastic. During the Queen's Diamond Jubilee on in twenty twelve,
30:26
Speaker 2: you know, they're like in the middle of a celebration,
30:28
Speaker 2: he has to get taken to hospital. Turns out he's
30:30
Speaker 2: got a bladder infection, has to go through a quote
30:32
Speaker 2: unquote minor procedure and finally gets out.
30:36
Speaker 3: So he basically so he misses this happens at this point.
30:41
Speaker 2: You know, at this point, I'm convinced he's just being
30:43
Speaker 2: held together by Jim Henson animatronics. By twenty seventeen, so
30:48
Speaker 2: he just misses public appearances left and right, like he
30:50
Speaker 2: misses his so like in twenty seventeen, he misses the
30:53
Speaker 2: State opening of Parliament, Royal Ascot, so on and so forth,
30:56
Speaker 2: and as such. In twenty seventeen, at the age of
30:59
Speaker 2: ninety six, he decides to retire from royal duties, and
31:04
Speaker 2: his last solo public engagement is meeting the Royal Marines.
31:08
Speaker 2: Since nineteen fifty two, he had completed twenty two thousand,
31:12
Speaker 2: two hundred and nineteen solo engagements, so like, you know,
31:15
Speaker 2: there's other stuff he had to do, like when he
31:17
Speaker 2: has to be like with the Queen.
31:19
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
31:19
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen as well, they celebrate their seventieth wedding anniversary.
31:23
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, he ends up having a hip replacement in April,
31:28
Speaker 2: and then in May he attends the wedding.
31:31
Speaker 3: Of Prince Harry and Megan Markle, and.
31:34
Speaker 2: In October he goes to the wedding of Princess Eugenie
31:36
Speaker 2: and Jack Brooks Bank. He basically wakes up and sees
31:39
Speaker 2: how he feels and decides whether or not he's going
31:41
Speaker 2: to go to an engagement that day, you know, go
31:42
Speaker 2: to an event or not, which is fair enough for
31:45
Speaker 2: somebody who's like who's slowly turning into the cryptkeeper. So
31:49
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, seventeenth of January this bugs me so fucking much.
31:53
Speaker 3: But as someone who deals with how do I put this?
31:56
Speaker 2: And I've you've ever met somebody who's like inform his
31:59
Speaker 2: age and is losing the ability to do things, and
32:02
Speaker 2: sometimes they are so determined to continue to do the
32:05
Speaker 2: things that they used to do that they're just going
32:07
Speaker 2: to keep doing it regardless of whether they hurt themselves
32:09
Speaker 2: or anybody else.
32:10
Speaker 3: So I understand the concept. I'm still pissed about it.
32:14
Speaker 2: St of January twenty nineteen, ninety seven year old Philip,
32:18
Speaker 2: the Duke of Edinburgh is near Sandring Mistake and he
32:21
Speaker 2: is involved in a car crash, unharmed except for a
32:24
Speaker 2: bit of bleeding, and the driver and the passenger of
32:26
Speaker 2: the other car involved in the incident were taken to hospital.
32:30
Speaker 2: So the passenger in the car she breaks her wrist,
32:33
Speaker 2: but thankfully the driver and the driver's nine months old
32:38
Speaker 2: baby were fine. And here's the thing, the crash was
32:41
Speaker 2: absolutely Philip's fault, like he does this like public apology thing.
32:45
Speaker 3: Three weeks later he ends up voluntarily surrendering his driving license,
32:51
Speaker 3: which he fucking should.
32:53
Speaker 2: There was no reason for a ninety seven year old
32:56
Speaker 2: man to be behind the wheel of a car, so
33:00
Speaker 2: he was seen behind the wheel of a car like
33:02
Speaker 2: on his own estates after that, So twenty nineteen, Philip
33:05
Speaker 2: ends up in hospital again with a quote unquote pre
33:09
Speaker 2: existing condition. He ends up and Prince Philip and the
33:13
Speaker 2: Queen they end up isolating in Windsor Castle during the
33:16
Speaker 2: like at the start of the COVID nineteen pandemic, and
33:19
Speaker 2: in July he steps down as the Colonel in chief
33:21
Speaker 2: of the Rifles, and the Duchess of Cornwall she takes
33:24
Speaker 2: up the spot. January twenty one, Queen Elizabeth and Prince
33:28
Speaker 2: Philip get vaccinated. I must say good for them. I
33:31
Speaker 2: must say good for them for getting vaccinated. They're technically
33:34
Speaker 2: in the high risk group anyway, so I'm not that
33:37
Speaker 2: so you know what I mean. But also I think
33:40
Speaker 2: it was very important them.
33:41
Speaker 3: To show that they were doing it.
33:43
Speaker 2: So in February Philip gets gets taken into hospital again
33:47
Speaker 2: is a precautionary measure. In March he's back in hospital again,
33:51
Speaker 2: and on the sixteenth of.
33:52
Speaker 3: March he's discharged.
33:54
Speaker 2: Now at this point I am convinced that the reason
33:58
Speaker 2: he was discharged from hospital was because they knew he
34:01
Speaker 2: was dying, and I think the whole purpose was to
34:03
Speaker 2: create a hospice like scenario, so palliative care for him
34:09
Speaker 2: for the end of his life.
34:10
Speaker 3: So Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh.
34:13
Speaker 2: He dies on the ninth of April twenty twenty one
34:16
Speaker 2: at the age of ninety nine, two months before his
34:18
Speaker 2: hundredth birthday, and the official announcement is that he has
34:21
Speaker 2: died peacefully in his sleep.
34:24
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of the shit Philip has said
34:26
Speaker 3: over the years. Oh, how do I put this?
34:29
Speaker 2: The term inappropriate vibe really should have been described for Philip.
34:34
Speaker 3: Because he had a habit of just putting his foot
34:36
Speaker 3: in his mouth wherever he went. I mean, the man
34:38
Speaker 3: didn't give a fuck.
34:40
Speaker 2: But yeah, at women's institute thing in Scotland, he says
34:43
Speaker 2: that British women can't cook. He says to a Scottish
34:47
Speaker 2: driving instructure in nineteen ninety nine, how do you keep
34:51
Speaker 2: the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test.
34:54
Speaker 2: He really didn't like singers very much, like he didn't
34:57
Speaker 2: like Tom Jones or Madonna, like he was like or
35:00
Speaker 2: Elton John. He when he looks at the Duke and
35:04
Speaker 2: Dutriss of York when they get a house in eighty six,
35:07
Speaker 2: his response is, it looks like a Tart's bedroom.
35:11
Speaker 3: The thing is as well, like so much of what
35:13
Speaker 3: Philip said does and like, and this is often commented
35:16
Speaker 3: as like gaffes.
35:18
Speaker 2: They call it a gaff like, oh, Prince Philip's gafs,
35:20
Speaker 2: And it's like, so like what I don't understand is
35:23
Speaker 2: like why you've lived long enough you can move with
35:27
Speaker 2: time and with history and you can like follow it.
35:31
Speaker 2: It just feels like he got to a certain point
35:33
Speaker 2: and was like, no, this is enough, This is enough.
35:36
Speaker 3: I don't need to do anymore. For example, so let's
35:40
Speaker 3: let's get into the complicated legacy of Prince Philip.
35:45
Speaker 2: He's visiting Nigeria in twos and three and there's the
35:50
Speaker 2: Royal so the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen. They
35:54
Speaker 2: meet the president who's wearing Nigeria's national dress, and he
36:00
Speaker 2: says to him, do you look like you're ready for bed?
36:03
Speaker 2: When visiting British students in China, he says to one student,
36:07
Speaker 2: says to students that if they stay there much longer,
36:09
Speaker 2: they're going to become slitty eyed. To a man who
36:12
Speaker 2: to a British man who tricked the cocoa track in
36:15
Speaker 2: Papua New Guinea, asks him, oh, so you managed not
36:18
Speaker 2: to get eaten?
36:19
Speaker 1: Then?
36:19
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety nine, he asks.
36:22
Speaker 2: The black politician Lord a tailor of Warwick, what exotic
36:26
Speaker 2: part of the world he came from?
36:28
Speaker 3: He asked.
36:29
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, he asked an Australian indigenous
36:32
Speaker 2: businessman if they still threw spears at each other. In
36:36
Speaker 2: two thousand and.
36:37
Speaker 3: Nine, when he met you as President Barack Obama.
36:40
Speaker 2: Who was describing his day meeting Chinese leaders, Russians, British politicians,
36:46
Speaker 2: Philip asks if he could tell the difference between them,
36:49
Speaker 2: like part of me is like, okay, Well, he's an
36:52
Speaker 2: old dude. He is what we would call a man
36:54
Speaker 2: of a certain generation. He's also from the Navy, and
36:58
Speaker 2: that's a very specific way to be like, I know
37:02
Speaker 2: forrends who swear like sailors, and he sounds like the
37:05
Speaker 2: kind of guy who would have been funny up until
37:08
Speaker 2: the eighties, you know what I mean, and then would
37:10
Speaker 2: have stopped being funny. I just found it very interesting because,
37:14
Speaker 2: like with some comments, you can understand, like in the
37:16
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, you could blame this on ignorance. But when
37:20
Speaker 2: the world is evolving and you are a symbol of
37:23
Speaker 2: an institution, and you are a representative of the monarchy
37:29
Speaker 2: of the very crown that you swore to protect, maybe
37:34
Speaker 2: you should take a step.
37:35
Speaker 3: Back and be less of a fucking dick. So there
37:37
Speaker 3: we go. There's Prince Philip for you.
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Speaker 2: So who may have had a sense of honor and
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Speaker 2: a sense of duty and supported his wife through like
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Speaker 2: the biggest career one could have, you could argue, but
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Speaker 2: also was a huge fucking racist who.
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Speaker 3: Never learned to shut his mouth.
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Speaker 2: It always feels like Prince Philip feels like two steps
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Speaker 2: forward and one step back, like no matter what he did. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and it's a complicated legacy, and he's a symbol for
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Speaker 2: an institution which I'm not entirely sure should still exist.
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Speaker 3: So what did we learned today? All people die?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and that the BBC really really knows how
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Speaker 2: to be a dead horse. There was there like twenty
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Speaker 2: four hours of footage. Like mate, it's fine, we all
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Speaker 2: know what a documentary is.
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Speaker 3: It's good.
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Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you to the very
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Speaker 2: first producer of the show, the lovely Helly from Niagara Falls,
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Speaker 2: who's my top patron on Patreon, and the very first
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Speaker 2: producer of the show, thou art a precious thunder darting sprite.
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Speaker 3: And Twitter is hooded what now pd.
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Speaker 2: Because there aren't enough characters. But anyway, oh review, oh recommendations.
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Speaker 3: Reading.
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Speaker 2: I am well, I had to take a break from reading,
39:26
Speaker 2: but I'm currently reading Agent Fife and the Wartime Honeytrap Spies.
39:33
Speaker 2: Listening I've been I started listening to my favorite murder again.
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Speaker 2: I hadn't listened to like a good few, but I
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Speaker 2: was I was doing some stuff and I'm back at
39:41
Speaker 2: work now, so I was doing some stuff and I
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Speaker 2: was listening to them because that's fun.
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Speaker 3: I like to listen to them. I find them fun,
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Speaker 3: and because I like my true crime to have a
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Speaker 3: bit of comedy in it. Just as a as a
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Speaker 3: person chain.
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Speaker 2: Fucking a Winter Soldier every week, every week, it knocks
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Speaker 2: it out the park Man Wow, like seriously, it's it's
40:03
Speaker 2: it's astounding. It's very strange though, because Wandervision always felt
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Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes, and each episode of of The Falcon
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Speaker 2: in the Winter Soldier like feels like a full movie.
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Speaker 3: I what Marvels sorcery is this?
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Speaker 2: But I'm digging it like anyway, and I am gonna
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Speaker 2: bid you all farewell, and so I'm gonna say adios
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Speaker 2: or revoir of wa is my friends, bye bye,