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Brian Austin Green · Caught on the Mike...

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SPEAKER_00: Disclaimer.
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SPEAKER_00: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
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SPEAKER_00: Listener discretion is advised.
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SPEAKER_00: My next guest does not require much of an introduction.
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SPEAKER_00: You know who he is, and you know what Cope he's been a part of.
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SPEAKER_00: You seem to leave a stories.
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SPEAKER_00: What you may not know is he isn't as good of a human being as he appears.
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SPEAKER_00: Known for his role as David Silver on DefinitelyHost 90210 and the host of his own podcast, old it, Ryan Austin Green, is joining me on the podcast today, where we talked about the paris social relationship of podcasting, the importance of human connections and relationships.
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SPEAKER_00: And we also discussed our mutual relationship with nostalgia.
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SPEAKER_00: This was a fun conversation with a fantastic person.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you're gonna enjoy it.
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SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
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SPEAKER_00: Picture this.
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SPEAKER_00: We were gathering watching episodes of Beverly Hills 90210 reruns in the hopes that we could get caught up before the new weekly episodes premiered in prime time.
1:47
SPEAKER_00: This also entailed a lot of videotape and unintentionally taping over other life moments like little league games and high school plays, but I digress.
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SPEAKER_00: One character in a sea of beautiful people that always resonated with me was that of David Silver, the slightly younger member of the friend group, music obsessed, holding the line between teenage awkwardness and the skills of being way too socially savvy for his age.
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SPEAKER_00: Describing the real world me to a T.
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SPEAKER_00: That character portrayed by my new friend, Brian Green, more professionally known as Brian Austin Green, who is one of the hosts of a podcast appropriately titled for our generation, Oldish.
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SPEAKER_00: Brian, how the hell are you, brother?
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SPEAKER_00: I'm good, brother.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: How are you doing, man?
2:35
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, thanks for doing this, man.
2:39
SPEAKER_00: Like, uh, I I tell you what, whenever we interacted on Instagram, this it really made my day.
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SPEAKER_00: I have been following your career for a long time, but I gotta tell you, like, in recent years, with a lot of the content that you've created, things that you've been a part of, I've always said to myself, this is a guy I would like to have a conversation with on my podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh knowing that you're a podcasting OG at this point, you've been podcasting since 2017, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I have.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: So I did I did the first one um because I was just coming out of this, like these health issues that I had had, these neurological issues.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: So I felt like what better way to like get my brain back in order and get working than to do a podcast.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: And I ended up doing it with a buddy of mine, uh, Derek Russell, who um he'd been podcasting for years.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: He did the podcast for the Sarah Connor Chronicles, he did the podcast for Smallville.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he reached out and he was like, Hey, you want to do a podcast?
3:41
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't even completely understand what they are, but absolutely, let's do it.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, I've I've been doing it for a while now, crazily.
3:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't, I honestly don't feel like I'm very good at it, but I can I can talk a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: So if that's what if you know, if that's what like makes a good podcaster, then I guess then I've got something.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I I think any of us, you know, before we started recording, we were kind of bouncing back and forth about our music background.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: I think any of us that have creativity deep inside of us, we could bullshit and ramble on about anything forever, right?
4:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
4:21
SPEAKER_01: As soon as soon as people ask me, because I'm a like I'm an actor, so actors like naturally I think have a bit of narcissism in them.
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SPEAKER_01: So I love to talk.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like somebody asked me a question about, you know, what uh how did this happen?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh my god, I have a whole story to tell you.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's ridiculous.
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SPEAKER_01: And I do it easily.
4:41
SPEAKER_01: I can fall into that space like really fast.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, sometimes making peace with that inner narcissist is an okay thing, but it's it's something that I kind of have a duality with because I'm like, I'm like, that was the thing that kept me from podcasting for a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like, dude, nobody's gonna want to hear me talk about you know life and all this other bullshit or what have you.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: But then once I finally did it and I pulled the trigger, it was almost like its own version of therapy, uh, to a certain extent, which kind of leads me to uh ask you about your current podcast, Oldish.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:19
SPEAKER_00: Um, for those unfamiliar with the show, what's the premise and kind of the precipice behind it and how did you land on it?
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SPEAKER_01: So oldish, um I had a random thought in the middle of the night at one point, um, of like I so I used to do a show called Love Lines a lot when I was uh living here in Los Angeles and it was on K-Rock, and that was uh Adam Corolla and Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: Drew.
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SPEAKER_01: And I had a really good time doing it because they had a really between the two of them, they had a really good mix of fun, entertaining, and then at the same time incredibly informative.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I had been I on Instagram had seen a few of Randy's um stories that he had posted, Randy Spelling, who is who's on the podcast with me.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's been uh he's been uh a life coach for 17 plus years now.
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SPEAKER_01: He lives in Portland, he has he's married, he has two kids.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and I was so impressed by it because of what I've gone through health-wise, um, and just life-wise, and being at the age that I am now being 51, I've really been in a place of um I'm excited about this.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: I I feel like this is the second half of my life.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: And you know, people say, Oh, it's you know, you it's like the second, the second half of your life.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, well, I the first half was a long life.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, if you look back from uh from preschool all the way through to now, it's like I've done a lot of living, and I get a whole nother one of those, but I don't have to start early on with the whole like learning who I am process and like finding you know my security in myself and all of that.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Um that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, God, I can do I can make this whatever I I want to make it.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: So I I had this thought in the middle of the night, I was like, I should I should consider doing a podcast that's like an updated version of life of Love Lines, what we used to do before.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I reached out to Randy and he was like, Hey, what's up, dude?
7:44
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, You went to a podcast?
7:45
SPEAKER_01: And he was like, You know how many people have asked me that?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't, you know, what like what is what ideas do you have?
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SPEAKER_01: Why is this special and interesting?
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SPEAKER_01: And so we ended up talking for a good like 15 minutes, 20 minutes about it, and we're just both very much in the same place.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: Like we have very different lives, very different upbringings, but um we're in the same point at the same time in life where it's I'm more concerned with being a responsible parent and a responsible adult.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: And so I want to hear points of view from people that it's not the same point of view that I have.
8:29
SPEAKER_01: It's not the same opinion that I have.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not, I used to be afraid of people having different opinions because I felt like, oh, then they were judging me for mine.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: And so I felt attacked and I would automatically feel it was I had that like fight or flight thing kick in, and I would get really um, I would feel my blood boil, and I would get really worked up over like, oh, I want to say my opinion, and then that's the one that matters the most, and then I want to get out and I don't want to hear theirs at all.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: I just want to like prove my point and win.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so far beyond that now, and I've really gotten to a place where I enjoy I I genuinely enjoy speaking to people that have a different background and a different um view of the world and it and different feelings about things because it forces me to listen and then grow sometimes, or I can help somebody else grow and and hear or see something that they hadn't thought about before.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: So we it was really a common ground on on that concept.
9:33
SPEAKER_01: And then um I spoke to uh my friend Amy up at iHeart about it, and she was like, Hey, what you know, do you think Shauna would do it with you?
9:43
SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, funny enough, when I told her about the idea that I was gonna do with Randy, her first thing was like, I would love to do something like that.
9:50
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, cool, right?
9:52
SPEAKER_01: But you know, just didn't like didn't think beyond that.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: So then when I went back to it, I was like, hey, so iHeart likes it, but they want you to do it um with us.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: She was like, I'm I'm all in, like, let's go.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: So we started doing it there.
10:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, it was a great, it was a great home for us to start because it gave us the opportunity to reach their audience, kind of um field test what it is we were doing, figure out what worked and what didn't, uh, really hone what our show was, who we were to each other, you know, finding that I I joked about it a couple months into the podcast when we were doing the first season at iArt because I kind of went in and it's like you don't I for myself I didn't completely know what my voice should be because Randy is incredibly intelligent, he's a life coach, like that's he's the he's the therapist that you go to to get you know like really valid, credited, studied answers.
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SPEAKER_01: Sharna's incredibly smart, also.
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SPEAKER_01: I am incredibly opinionated and I'm great at listening, but I am not smart in the same ways.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm life smart, like I've lived a long life and I've done a lot of things and experienced a lot.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: So it took me a good couple months to really find my place of not trying to fit into the box of what they they represented on the show, um, but to realize, like, oh, I can represent the people that sort of have more of like a five-year-old view of this and completely don't understand this at all.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: And I can ask those questions, you know, of guests that we have on and people like that, and help um help people understand that, don't completely get the topics that we're talking about and wrap their brains around it.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: And as soon as I started doing that, um we I I feel like we really found our groove as far as what it is we do.
12:00
SPEAKER_00: And I love all of that uh topic of self-growth and listening to um other people's opinions and taking that stuff in because we are in a place in society where we accentuate those differences negatively instead of leaning into those differences from a positive aspect.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, completely.
12:19
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's cancel culture is so quick right now.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: It's like people are so quick to judge.
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SPEAKER_01: It seems like as soon as you have an opinion that is different from everybody else's, their view is like, oh, okay, then you're the enemy, so fuck off.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're we don't we don't need to talk again.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm following and it's so sad because it's it's amazing when I get into conversations with people that start that way, and I really change their approach and their view of it, and I let them know, like, listen, I'm not judging you at all for what your views and your beliefs are.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: I really have completely different ones, and I'm curious what yours are.
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SPEAKER_01: Um they have very human, amazing conversations, and we usually end up in a place of like, hey, I love you.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for the conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: It was great.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, hope to talk to you again soon.
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SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how that happens.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like listen to learn as opposed to listening to respond, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_01: And well, and also being really being willing to be in a space where you truly listen.
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SPEAKER_01: You're not just hearing somebody else.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: And I, for years, I didn't really listen to people.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a really bad habit of that.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I would hear tons of things, but it was like uh double dutch.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I was just waiting for the space and the jump rope for me to get in and get my words out, and then you know, throw my grenade and then get the fuck out.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's um, it's unfortunate because you I missed so much connection and life with people because it's just it's a huge, it's a huge part of it.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think people do themselves a huge disservice by by not allowing that that to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: I wholeheartedly agree.
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SPEAKER_00: I believe that life kind of gives you a ton of different experiences, but the inflection points that shape uh that shape your character are defined by the ownership that you take over them.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: Like outside of my creative endeavors, like my easy-to-name ones are like my parents' divorce, becoming a father, my own divorce, and then more recently on more uh more optimistic side of things, I feel like the universe is about to deliver me uh another breakthrough, but it's taking those opportunities to focus on those moments of life and actually take in everything and learn from it, which is what you seem to have done.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, but I mean, we're both on the same path.
14:46
SPEAKER_01: I like I completely uh like understand and um agree with what it is you're going through.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm a big believer in the universe bringing you things when you are ready for them and the timing is right.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: So as much as I have those those periods where I'm like, you know, fuck, I wish this would pick up already.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I'm sick of waiting for this thing to happen.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: Um then I have to like remind myself, like, oh, the universe always always delivers when things are appropriate.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: And at the same time, like I've really had to um succumb to the concept that the the things that seem really difficult that you're going through at the time um are happening for a reason as well.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: Like I looking back on my life, people ask me now, like, oh, if you could go back and change anything, what would you change?
15:44
SPEAKER_01: I I honestly wouldn't change anything.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Nothing at all, because every single experience has led me to who I am now, which is I I feel I feel so at ease with with who I am, and I have like complete confidence in who I am, and I'm confident in the fact that I don't really know much.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've got another, you know, hopefully 50 years to just continue to learn and and grow.
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SPEAKER_01: But I love the fact that I'm in a place now where I feel like who, you know, if if someone doesn't like me, cool.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm not like hanging my hat on like, oh my god, I'm not loved by everyone.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I used to be when I was younger.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, especially growing up on television and and being feeling as judged as as I did, um it was really difficult for me.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: And I'm always trying to share the concept with people of like living consciously and growing is not an easy thing.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: And just because I speak on it does not mean that I think anywhere in my mind that it's easy.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, oh yeah, you meditate, you know, change your mindset and do it.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: It's like those are it's hard stuff to do.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I just just sitting daily and you know, really reflecting on your day and living consciously being the person you truly want to be compared to the person that you um that you sort of reactively are, you know, it's their it's a it's a huge undertaking.
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SPEAKER_01: And I I mean, I would say like monks go live on a mountaintop and don't speak for months at a time sometimes and just meditate because it's that hard.
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SPEAKER_01: Like they have to do all of that to stay in that place.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: And I people don't realize that.
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SPEAKER_01: People think, like, oh, you know, I wish I could be be like so and so, but you know, oh, my life is just too hard.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: It's so hard for me to do so, forget it, you know.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: Never mind.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: It's like I don't forget it, stick with it.
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SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's the difference, that's the difference in life choices that you make, is literally just to stick with this and go, okay, I'm gonna do it every day, rain or shine.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm going to live consciousness, and you'd be amazed what comes out of it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: So I have a lot of professional fighters on my show, a lot of guys that are affiliated with the UFC and such.
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SPEAKER_00: That's so badass.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: The funniest thing is that usually 90% of the time, they will break any stereotypes you might have of a professional fighter within the first 10 minutes of talking to them.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: And it goes to exactly what you were just saying.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: A lot of those guys share the mentality of they start every day doing something hard so they are challenged and they can be humble throughout the rest of the day.
18:46
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's kind of what makes world champions versus just your guy doing it in your local strip mall.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So those core values are really important.
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SPEAKER_00: I I don't want to um tread into any painful territory by any regard.
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SPEAKER_00: I I it's I'm open to all of it.
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SPEAKER_00: So ask away, man.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm here.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: I listened to the the two the two-parter episode you recently did with Tori.
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SPEAKER_00: I really enjoyed that.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: And you know, the first one kind of hinged a lot on your relationship, and then the second one, um, you know, you focused a bit on Shannon, and it's been reported and it's publicly known that she confided her diagnosis with you long before she made that public.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: What is it about your character and your relationship with her that um gives people that level of sincerity and comfort?
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Because I think that's quite a gift.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: Um I know, I know with Shannon, um we'd known each other for a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: We knew each other well before 90210.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So um we had like a real familiarity and a just a genuine like and respect of each other.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Like when we saw each other the first day on set, it was a genuine like, hey, oh my god, we finally get to work together because we had been we were child actors at the same time, so we were always doing like events, charity things stuff, and seeing each other there.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: So we knew each other really well, but we had never ever worked together.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: Um we we it was really sort of an unspoken connection we had early on.
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SPEAKER_01: Of we so respected each other that um no matter what, no matter what was going on, we'd be honest with each other, we would have each other's backs, um and you know, we would we would be true friends to each other no matter what was going on.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: And so because we had done that, like honestly, spiritually, like to the core with each other, and it was in it was an unspoken rule, like it was literally just it, it just was that way.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Like it was I never for a second questioned Shannon's love um and uh her her like faithful heart towards me.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Like I always knew no matter what, no matter what anybody said, you know, even if I said something she didn't completely agree with, she would say that.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: She'd say, I don't agree with you on that one, Bri, but she would love me anyway.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: So it was very much like a family.
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SPEAKER_01: Brother sister bond that we had.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: And it just carried itself through that way.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Like we would just we would talk on you know, I would send her pictures of like things I was doing.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: And hey, what do you think of this headshot versus this one?
22:19
SPEAKER_01: And you know, what do you think of this song?
22:21
SPEAKER_01: And um and did you did you get a chance to see the last episode of the thing that I did?
22:27
SPEAKER_01: What did you feel?
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Like she was a big fan of uh Sarah Connor Chronicles when it was on, but then there were other things that I did that she wasn't a huge fan of.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: I never took offense to that.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: I was like, no, she's completely honest with me.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: And she always has been, and she always will be, and vice versa, it was the exact same way.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: She would say and do things sometimes where I'd be like, uh Shannon, that's not I I don't agree with you doing that at all.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: But um we respected each other, and we you know, I think uh I think there's a di and I always say this about raising kids to you, and yeah, I just from speaking to you, I assume you have a very similar um similar approach.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I I realized early on that my kids are who they are, they're the people that they are.
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SPEAKER_01: I can I can influence them a little bit of like, hey, listen to hip hop with me, because I grew up loving it, and maybe you'll love it too, and you'll find an appreciation for it.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: But my the ultimate goal for me as a parent and as a friend is just to make sure that morally the the compass is there, yeah that the kids are are good people, whatever they you know.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: If if my son ends up wanting to, you know, uh to shoe horses, you know, and I do, or you know, or be a cobbler or whatever, just be the best cobbler you can be, be a positive member of society.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: Um and and Shannon and I always had that connection with each other.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Like I I always knew and she always knew that we wanted to be good people, that it wasn't about just our image or what portrayed out there or what people thought.
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SPEAKER_01: It was we would be a hundred percent true to our moral code.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: And it was very, it was very similar.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think I think that was a big part in creating the relationship that we had.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: And Shannon was just a fucking kick ass.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: Like she was just she was dope.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Like she was such a she was such a fucking monster.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: Like she just completely um she she completely stood up for herself and was true to herself in what she felt was right and what she felt was wrong.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: She was unapologetically herself, which you've gotta respect.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: You know, she like she always took it up on herself to make sure that she wasn't um being mean to people or hurting someone's feelings.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: She was always incredibly kind and loving and considerate, but she was unapologetically herself, which um, you know, I think on some level, even when I wasn't that way when I was younger, because I was too insecure and had too many things going, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Um I so like respected that and I so envied that, and it was so cool to be with someone that was that way, and it was always so impressive.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh my god, I can't believe you just said that.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: I wish I could say that.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: I wish I could do that.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: And so then I came into that um honest belief earlier than I think Tori did, which then became the goal of sitting down with her.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Like when she first reached out and she was like, Hey, I wanna I wanna be on old ish.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: I said to her, quoting Dave Chappelle, by the way, and I've said this a few times, but I want to make sure and give him credit.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: I said, We go hard in the paint.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: So just know, like, it's not gonna be just some fun kind of sit-down, you know, giggly, like like look back at the past coming on the show.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not what our show is about.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be a real conversation.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: And she fuck hats off to her, man.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: She was like, Yeah, I know, cool.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: I was like, cool, then let's let's do this, you know.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: And I mean, even at one point, at one point, Randy sat down with me and he was like, Hey, so what and I I went to him before I even agreed to her coming on when she asked, I was like, Listen, let me talk to Randy first.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Because family, and I, you know, there's a lot that's there, and and being super protective, like, you know, I don't know.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: And I don't want to cross that line.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to make it uncomfortable for either one of you.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: Your relationship is incredibly important, your relationship with your mom is incredible.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want to in any way get in the way of that.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: So I I talked to Randy about it, and he was like, Oh, that'd be amazing.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: But then he said to me, he was like, Hey, so you know, what are you like, what are you gonna talk about?
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think on some level, just making sure that I wasn't gonna go off the rails and you know, and create any gotcha moments or any of that shit.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: So I like I really had a clear plan of the conversation going in the sense of um let's talk about the things that affect our relationship.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: Let's get into those.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Then as the conversation naturally progresses, it'll go in different directions.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: But you know, the first the first one that I wanted to talk about was the fact that we hadn't there was like an 18-year span where we hadn't spoken to each other.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: And then and then it was we did this reboot of the show, and that was talked about in the first episode.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't talked about why we hadn't spoken for 18 years, it was just talked about that we hadn't.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, yeah, that's kind of that's that's always been a bit of like a thorn in my side that you know.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: So I I want to get into that.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: So I told Randy, I was like, hey, there are a few things that just directly affect me.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get into family stuff.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: I that's your stuff.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and that's and if she goes there on her own, cool, we can talk about it.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: If she doesn't, cool.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: Like I don't, I don't need to press on it because that's not my business.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: It's not my business getting into somebody else's family stuff.
28:56
SPEAKER_01: Like that's not just like to me, it's not anybody else's business to get into mine, you know.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, so if somebody offers it on their own, cool.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: If they don't, they don't.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: So our our show has just continued to kind of go along that line.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: Like we try and really have open conversations with people.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: We we try not to just sit and interview people because that there are talk shows for that, and there are a million podcasts for that.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: And there are people that are really good at that.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm not.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, I am good at I'll get you to talk about something, and then as soon as you, as soon as I can relate to it, then it's like, cool, now let's have a conversation about it together.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Because I think for people listening, it's really important, you know, to realize like, oh shit, I'm not alone in what I'm going through.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, this group of four people now, they have things in common with me.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: And so it's interesting to listen to us because we're either actively going through it, or we've already gone through it, or we know people that have gone through it, or you know, and so it ends up being a really interesting conversation and a and a fun one.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, I really enjoy doing the podcast because I learn so much from it.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Same every every episode that we do.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: Same, I love doing it.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: Same, same.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: It's that's badass, though, that you do one that's so that's so different in that way, that you talk to a lot of UFC guys, because I love I love UF UFC.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, I watch, I I watch those.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: I used to watch more than I do now because I have way too many kids, but like that was a big like I was like an ESPN plus like subscriber, and I watched all really up until I think it was um uh Connor and Khib.
30:40
SPEAKER_01: Like that was sort of the last of the big and then I watched Connor and Cowboy, and then I kind of I I sort of faded back out of that.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Like that was kind of the that was the end of my uh UFC era.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Um but I I have so much respect for it.
30:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's such an unbelievable sport.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: No harm, no foul, but it but it but it's weird, but it's weird because you and I kind of share a similar concept in podcasting, in the extent that uh I I kind of trying to alternate.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll have a professional fighter on just because I enjoy talking to fighters, and of course it's my favorite sport.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: I'll have a musician on because I have some relation to that, or somebody else in the entertainment sector, or then I'll just throw on like maybe like a an employment lawyer or somebody along those lines because everybody has a really unique perspective at life, and I like to reference my show as being a Trojan horse.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: You'll see the picture of the person that's on that episode, and you think we're gonna talk about heavyweight MMA fighting, but realistically, we're talking about how that guy's a comic book collector and how I used to collect comic books, and let's uh and so it yeah, I think that's the beauty of podcasting.
31:55
SPEAKER_00: That's unlike any other format, is that you can have these legitimate conversations that um kind of bring out the best in people.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: The line that I like using is you are an individual, so is everybody else.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: So let's highlight that individuality, right?
32:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like that.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: I like that a lot.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: And and I absolutely agree with that totally.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Like I think I think you bring out the best in people when you allow people to be just human beings.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: Like uh, you know, you you allow them to speak freely and feel and be honest, and you don't just you you don't kind of keep them on the edge of their seat worrying about gotcha moments or things that are gonna be clickbait or get or headlines.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh, that because that cuts uh an interview and a conversation so short when somebody is worried that way, I think.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: I've I've always I I agree.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: I totally agree.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: That's uh you know, I I talk with a lot of the people in my own friend group.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you know, I typically have two rules of my podcast, which is shooting myself in the foot that I will not talk about politics directly, I will not talk about religion directly, because again, I adhere to that rule.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: You are an individual, so is everybody else.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: I think I would rather sit and celebrate our differences than getting get into a pissing match for just for the sake of clickbait.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: And it's unfortunate that we kind of live in a world where that is the fastest route to grow something is create some sort of content that's controversial that people are gonna click on, people can quote all the time.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: We you know that was that was a big thing for us up at iHeart.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Like iHeart was very much like they come to us and they go, Okay, so is there any like juicy stuff coming up?
33:49
SPEAKER_01: And it was like, this is not oldish is not a juicy a juicy show.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: Like that's you know, you're you're at the wrong place.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: If if that's like every once in a while we'll say something that is interesting and and media will pick up, exactly, but we're not like going after that every episode and like thinking of the questions that will lead someone into some conversation that everybody's wondering about.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: God man, I love this.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, um thinking about kind of the question I asked about your your past friendships, it seems to be, and this is really more of a complicated compliment more than a question.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: It seems like there's a consistency with how you maintain your relationships.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: I just over the weekend re-watched Kid 90 for like the third time.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Um, Soleil Moonfries documentary.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, there's a lot of subtle references to kind of similar parallels to the relationship that you described with Tori and that you described with Shannon and you and Soleil.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, I love the documentary and the transparency of it, but it does make me think a little bit about the healthy and unhealthy aspects of nostalgia because there were moments where I was watching that movie that were so vivid that I was able to relay that to my own experience as a teenager in the 90s.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: At this stage in your life, at 51 years old, what's your relationship with nostalgia and how do you use it to move forward?
35:20
SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you use that rear view mirror to better your view through the windshield?
35:26
SPEAKER_01: It's it's the same thing speaking just about history itself.
35:30
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, right.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: Um it's something that we look, I I look back on my past and my relationships and my things, and I've learned so much because of those.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: So I look back at them fondly, not in a sense of like, God, you know, I really wish I was back during that.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: But I look back on them and I go, man, I remember where like the person that I was at that point.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: And it's so funny to see now, because I wish I could go back at that point and talk to the younger me.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, I I don't uh like you know, like I said to you before, it's I wouldn't change anything that I've been through that has gotten me to this point.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: And I I genuinely feel like all of the stuff that I went through, um honestly more bad than good is the stuff that um shaped who I am now.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's like I always tell people, like, I've I've learned I didn't really learn much of anything from my successes.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: I learned everything in my life from the failures that I've been through.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, I think it's I I always try and remind myself of that when I'm going through something really difficult, is all you know, and you're in it, and in the moment you're going, God, this sucks.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, what what fucking good is gonna come out of this?
36:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, this just feels like shit.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: I I can literally look back on every single thing in my life that was that was hard, that was terrible, and go, man, like what a catalyst that was to push me into something new.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: Whether it was my divorce, whether it was the health things that I went through, whether it was the scrutiny from doing the show, whether it was like the failure of my music career in like '95.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it all of those things have now shaped who I am.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: And I I feel so much more at this point in my life, like I will sort of jump into things with just a reckless abandonment, you know, abandon compared to what I did before.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Like I was so cautious and and so like, oh my God, how how is this gonna be you?
37:49
SPEAKER_01: And what what's somebody gonna think of this?
37:52
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just not that way at all.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: At all now.
37:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, I really I I honestly I rarely look in the mirror when I get up in the morning, like I'll stumble in the bathroom and like you know, put on deodorant and stuff.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: And as like as I'm walking up the door, go, I should probably look in the mirror and make sure my hair doesn't look crazy because I'm getting ready to go somewhere.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, I it it's right, it's just it's honestly the last thing on my mind at this point, and it's amazing, it's great.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: So I think I think history is a great, I you know, I think nostalgia and history is a great thing as long as you keep you keep it in perspective of like, God, I you know, I it's not that I wish I could go back to that time, but it's fun to look back on that time being who I am now and go, God, I remember what that was.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: And that oh, that night was a lot of fun.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: And oh, that that I used to love that show, and that movie was amazing.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: And I remember where I was sitting when I watched it, or where I was when I listened to that album for the first time.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: That's all great as long as you don't uh like take your eye off the fact that you are in the moment that you are now.
39:03
SPEAKER_01: So find the positive that you can out of all of that and carry it forward instead of trying to look back all the time at every everything and and think to yourself, God, times were so much easier and simpler than that.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: And I wish it was that time because it's not.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Dude, God, man.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: I it's funny.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: You you quoted almost quoted me.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: I exactly past couple podcast episodes.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: I have said that exact thing.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: I said, you don't learn anything from success or succeeding all the time.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: No, you learn from your failures.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: And on the nostalgia tip, um, you know, I think when I look back and I think about my own nostalgia, I look at it more so from the fact, boy, I wish I really appreciated that moment while I was in it a little bit more.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: And and and admittedly, that sometimes little bits of nostalgia can be almost like slight depressive spirals for me as well.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: So I try not to spend too much time on it other than celebrating it and going, okay, you know, this was this was a great time.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: You know what?
40:10
SPEAKER_01: You know what an interesting point of view for me has been.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I've really like tried to practice what I preach uh within the last five years, is I really came to the realization myself that the only control that I have in life is who I choose to be while living life.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna do this, it's gonna suck, it's gonna be great, there's gonna be all sorts of things that happen.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: I there are gonna be deaths, there are gonna be fucking celebrations, there are gonna be all sorts of things.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Um the only thing that is consistent is who I am, who I choose to be in those moments.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: So it means that I then take an extra 10 seconds when something happens and go, okay, I uh like how I would normally and how I want to react in this moment is I want to be uh I, you know, I want to um I want to speak up for myself.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: I I want to be louder than everybody else, I want to kind of be powerful and but you know, and then when something happens, instead I'll take a second, I'll go, okay, that's that's like instinctually what I want to do.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: Who do I really want to be in this situation?
41:25
SPEAKER_01: So let me take a second, let me really listen to what's going on.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: Let's take, let me take a breath.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: Like let me really think about this.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: And the more that I do that, the more instinctual that becomes.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it's kind of like meditating and and working out and doing all those things.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: Like they they're really hard at first because you're not used to doing them.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: And then the more you do them, the easier they become.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I really try and make a point to live as consciously as possible every day, which means when I'm looking back on times or I'm reminiscing with somebody and I'm talking about something that was fun, I never let myself get to that point of like, oh, the good old days.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: I wish it was, I wish that was now, you know, because that's I don't.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't wish it was now.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: Like I those times were great because my life was so different at that point.
42:21
SPEAKER_01: I always say the same thing about 90210.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: 90210 to me never would have survived if it if it was on now, because the internet exists.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, when 90210 came out, there was no internet, there was no way of fact-checking.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: There was like it was still Beverly Hills was this like magical place that nobody really knew much about.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: So we could take whatever artistic licensing we wanted to and just could, you know, paint this amazing picture of these high schools that didn't exist, and you know, these restaurants that didn't exist, and all of this stuff.
42:53
SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, the same thing, like looking back on situations, it's like, oh, that was so fun because I didn't have the same responsibilities back then that I do now.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: Like it was a totally different time in my life.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: I now have five kids.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: I cannot just go to whatever club I want and dance till four in the morning and you know, sleep till like I can't.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: That lifestyle does not exist.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: And like I I had my time of that, and that time has passed.
43:27
SPEAKER_01: So now my oldest son is 22.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: That's his time now.
43:31
SPEAKER_01: Like I always tell him, like, dude, go go do all that.
43:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, I run into people now and they're like, Oh, I saw your son at you know, some club or something, and my first feeling is like, wait, why was my kid at this party?
43:43
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, and then I think like, oh no, he's 22.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: Like when I was 22, I was at all of those parties.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, you're like, shit, I don't want to know what he's doing or where he's at.
43:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to know what is what he's doing or where he's at now.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: I know he's a good human being, so that's all like I just Have to continue to hope that morally he stays the person that I that I know he is.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: And so far, that's everything that I've ever heard from people that have run into him is exactly that.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't be more proud than I am.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude, it's it's crazy.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: I've got so we're a blended family in our household.
44:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm remarried.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: So she my my wife has twin stepdaughter or twin daughters from a previous marriage, and then I've got a daughter and a son.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: So our three girls are all the same age.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: So I've got three high school single girls.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: And I gotta tell you from like their different personalities.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: No shit.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: They're different personalities and talking with them and kind of you know talking about what their aspirations are in life and what they're into.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: I I'm not naive.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: I'm not a dumb shit.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: I know, you know, but they are so much more well-behaved 18-year-old now than what we were when we were 18 years old.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: They just have a better understanding of the world and of like morality and like uh you know, and cause and effect.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: It's I like I literally just had no concept of that when I was younger.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: I did, I did somewhere because I now have a really good concept of it, and I know it's been there for a while.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: I just didn't um I just didn't think that way first.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Like I was I knew there was an effect to the cause, but I was like, I'll deal with that later.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, all I care about right now is the cause.
45:35
SPEAKER_01: Like I just want to, I just want to go down and go out and party and do it.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was just gonna say, where the party at, man?
45:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: That was all that was all I cared about.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: And then the fact that you know I was young and doing the show was like, oh shit, I have access to way more fucking parties and experiences than I did before.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:54
SPEAKER_01: But but like you said, like I look back on like traveling and things that I did a lot when the show when I was young and the show was early on, and I think, man, I so wish that I didn't take that for granted the way that I did.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: Like I um I talk to Ian all the time, who he's 10 years older than me.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: And you know, we did a lot of these trips together, and his memory of it all and his fondness of it, his appreciation of it is so far beyond what mine was, and I'm so envious of that.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: The fact that he was 10 years older than I was, and so he had a different excitement about it.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: Like to me, I was like, Oh, this is what everybody experiences at some point in their life.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: To him, he was like, you know, he had had 10 more years than me of not having that, so he was like, This is fucking amazing.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not gonna take any of this from him.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: It's it's age, man.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: Time, time, age.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: If you were considering all of this in the the context of your career at this phase in your in your life, if you're looking at everything you've done, excluding the reboot, the 2019 reboot, which I was fucking pissed whenever it didn't move forward beyond the six episodes.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I thought it was genius.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: That was a genius concept for the show.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't know who came up with the show within a show format, but hats off to them.
47:26
SPEAKER_00: I absolutely loved it.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: Is David Silver still the character that most resembles Brian, or is there somebody else that you've portrayed throughout your history of acting that more resembles who you are now?
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Um That's a really interesting question.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: I think I mean David was an absolute representation of me during that time period.
47:51
SPEAKER_01: Um God, now you know, I don't know, I don't know if I've played anyone since David that has resembled me as closely as he did, because at that point I was still at the time of my life where I was completely unsure of things.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: So it was it was an easy crossover.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: Like the writers would see me at the rap parties or the things, and they'd have ideas like, oh my god, he was so fun when he was out dancing with everybody.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was like it was you couldn't help but have life cross over into the art and one imitate the other.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: Now I when I read scripts and I read characters, I'm so intrigued by the characters that are so different from me.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: Um I I love playing them.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: I love it because it's like, oh my, I get to do all the stuff that I personally would never ever do.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: I get to say the things to people that I would never ever say.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's it's funny when you're acting, when you're when you're playing a role, um you're not responsible.
49:15
SPEAKER_01: Like people praise you for being an absolute fucking monster and an asshole in a scene, and you know, and staring kids into like people go, oh my god, that was so great.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: Whereas if you did that in life, people would be like staring their kids away from you and they'd be calling social services, and it was your life would be fucking over, I'd be canceled.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I've really now found my love of that.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Whereas when when I was a kid acting, I was so personally insecure that it uh it leaked over into what I did.
49:54
SPEAKER_01: So if I was on set doing stuff uh that felt silly or whatever, I personally felt insecure, so then I wouldn't completely go into it as an actor um because I couldn't let myself, I couldn't let myself be in a situation that could possibly be so judgmental.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: Whereas now I don't give a fuck.
50:17
SPEAKER_01: Like now, you know, now it's like, oh shit, I you know, you're and what's funny is that people don't judge me in a negative way at all for doing stuff that is outside of what I would do personally.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: Um they you know, I get I I usually get uh good reviews from people for for doing stuff.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: So um it's it's crazy how big my my career has turned that way.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: But I love like I love I love playing characters, I love acting.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
50:52
SPEAKER_01: I that's that's fantastic.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm passionate about music.
50:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm totally, as you see, like at a studio in my house.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm always working on music, I'm always doing stuff just because I love it.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but money, like my career is acting for sure, and I'll do that.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: I'll do that the rest of my you answered that next question without me having to ask it.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, who do you enjoy playing more?
51:16
SPEAKER_00: Nice guys or assholes?
51:17
SPEAKER_00: But it's clear.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's kind of right now.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm in a run where it's fun, like it's fun playing characters where like I get to I did this one film called uh Pacerville, they changed the name of it to like Last the Night or something like that.
51:36
SPEAKER_01: I was a disgruntled teacher who gets who I like I end up killing kids in in a school at night.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: You should check it out.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: Like I had I I had a full beard, like it was uh I was a I was a monster.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: Um and it was so much fun because we shot at a school during COVID.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: We shot from 6 p.m.
52:02
SPEAKER_01: to 6 a.m.
52:04
SPEAKER_01: every night for like two months.
52:07
SPEAKER_01: Um and it was like it was so quiet inside you could hear a pin drop because at that hour, right?
52:14
SPEAKER_01: There's no air traffic, there's no anything, it's completely silent, there's no cars on the streets.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you're in this, you know, we were in these massive hallways in this school in Sacramento where we couldn't possibly light the whole thing.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: We literally just lit the area we were shooting in.
52:33
SPEAKER_01: So I was doing nothing but trying to fuck with these kids as much as I possibly could to get as real a reaction from them as possible on film for the director and the editor then to have to work with.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: And it was, I so appreciated it.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: Like I so loved it, it was so much fun.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
52:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was I'd never done anything like that before.
53:00
SPEAKER_01: It was like, oh my god, like I can literally from 6 p.m.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: to 6 a.m.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: just like fuck with these kids, like just be be that dude where it's like it's completely quiet.
53:11
SPEAKER_01: You guys are in a hallway and then I can bang on something, it makes you jump, or it like it's you know, it scares people.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: It's oh it's so much fun.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: It was so great.
53:20
SPEAKER_00: I love that, dude.
53:22
SPEAKER_00: I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation from the moment you jumped on before we pressed record until now.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: My uh my usual wrap-up question is kind of a fun one because I enjoy the answer everybody gives.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: But what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today?
53:44
SPEAKER_00: Closing on a personal note after being a villain.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes, just if the world would go back to just decency, just listening and being kind to everyone and allowing space for people to uh experience what they're experiencing and be who they are.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: Um I think the world would find a common bond within that and we would start to love each other more.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: Like it's to me, it seems so easy.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like, man, if we truly um truly took the approach of let's just try and love the people around us again, whether they are lovable or not.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: Like let's put ourselves out there uh and do that.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: Those people that seem unlovable, I think would quickly become lovable to other people because they feel it in response.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Like it's it we've we've become a society that is so quick to judge everyone and cancel everyone and um be against everyone and kind of pick teams and sides, not realizing like we are all uh we're all human beings.
55:07
SPEAKER_01: I my dad said to me at one point he said, and it's he said it's not gonna happen in my lifetime, but he was like, I so look forward to the day when people stop uh talking about race and start instead talking about culture.
55:25
SPEAKER_01: Yes, because it's such a different view of things.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: When you're speaking of race, you're creating, oh, there's a difference.
55:33
SPEAKER_01: You're a different race of human beings from me.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, they're like there are different uh there are different races within the animal kingdom.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: There are different differences.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: As soon as we start talking culturally, we realize, oh, it's not, it's none of this that makes us different.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: It's literally what what our the world around us has been.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Then I think we're more opening to we're we're more open to listening and learning from each other.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: And that like that really hit home for me because I was like, man, that is a I I uh I too so look forward to the day when we as a society do that, when we start really um being excited about learning from each other culturally, uh, and and realizing God, there's not so much that separates us other than where we're from, what our families did, what our families believed at the time, like what we talked about around the dinner table.
56:35
SPEAKER_01: What yeah, that's those are the differences that we have.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: And God, I want to hear, I want to learn about every I want to learn about everyone's, and I want to learn about all of them, and I want to accept all of them, and I want everybody to accept all of them and be excited about learning all of them because they're all there are they're they're just different, they're they're just differences from what we knew when we were young.
56:59
SPEAKER_01: It it's we we're all human beings at the end of it all, you know.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
57:06
SPEAKER_00: What you said describes my I shit you not, my political yard sign in in my yard perfectly.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: And what it is, it's red, white, and blue sign that says presidents are temporary, Wu Tang is forever.
57:20
SPEAKER_00: I shit you not, it's in my front yard.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: Dude, at one at one point when MAGA hats were blowing up, I uh I I did a runoff, like a small print of I did like a hundred or so hats, and they it said smag someone make America great.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Like that's literally what what it stood for.
57:39
SPEAKER_01: Because it's like that to me, I don't care who the fuck it is, I don't care what political party it is, but I want someone that's gonna come into office and take it seriously and go, okay, let's get this country back on track.
57:52
SPEAKER_01: No shit.
57:52
SPEAKER_01: Like let's let's let's create love again.
57:55
SPEAKER_01: Let's create, you know, let's get rid of all this partisan bullshit that we're up against right now and find a commonality with everyone.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, I so look forward to that.
58:04
SPEAKER_01: I'll send you one of those hats.
58:05
SPEAKER_01: You need to send me your address and I'll because they're awesome.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: They're actually I I'm putting them up on like really good, like Nike golf hats.
58:12
SPEAKER_01: Like they're fucking awesome.
58:13
SPEAKER_01: And they're great.
58:14
SPEAKER_01: They're they're really good at.
58:15
SPEAKER_00: So I'll send you one.
58:16
SPEAKER_00: Dude, that's awesome.
58:17
SPEAKER_00: So, real quick, plug your shit, let everybody know where they can find you online and where they can find the podcast.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: Oldish, uh, we're now on YouTube, which is fun, which is awesome, by the way.
58:28
SPEAKER_01: I love the fact now that everybody can watch what it is, uh, what it is we're doing and and view and listen to all of the content that we're doing.
58:35
SPEAKER_01: So uh Oldish Podcast on YouTube, you can go to oldishpodcast.com, uh, check out our site.
58:42
SPEAKER_01: We have a couple different uh tiers on Patreon so people can come and we have some like bonus stuff that we film and we do uh some zooms with everyone.
58:51
SPEAKER_01: We do we do some really fun stuff there.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: Um otherwise, shit.
58:57
SPEAKER_01: Go it make sure you you listen to this podcast.
59:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's uh like support people that are trying to spread a positive message.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: I I'd like to end on that.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
59:12
SPEAKER_00: I gotta tell you, man, I hope we can run into each other in the real world someday.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this has been a lot of fun.
59:18
SPEAKER_00: And dude, let's absolutely keep in touch, man.
59:21
SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll I'll I'll send you all my information and you send me yours and let's let's do that.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh the invitation's open for you to come back anytime.
59:30
SPEAKER_00: Brian, the world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
59:34
SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
59:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh thanks, brother.
59:36
SPEAKER_00: Once again, I want to thank my friend Brian Austin Green for doing the podcast today.
59:41
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59:45
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