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How Pete Crow-Armstrong’s deal with the Cubs came together · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. Patrick, you were
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  Speaker 1: just at the Peak Co Armstrong press conference announcing his
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  Speaker 1: new six year, one hundred and fifteen million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to some of it, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: just chatted right before this, and I think your takeaway
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  Speaker 1: was similar to mine. He seemed emotional, a lot of reflection,
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  Speaker 1: and just a lot of thanks to a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different people. Like pretty much everyone that was in that room,
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  Speaker 1: he seemed to be honoring in some way. What were
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  Speaker 1: your takeaways that from that press conference.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was that emotional cent or that pete
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  Speaker 2: kind of you drew from throughout that press conference, and
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  Speaker 2: he said his hands were sweaty. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a little different than playing center field in front of
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  Speaker 2: forty thousand people. I think sitting in that chair and
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  Speaker 2: kind of looking out he started with his parents and
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  Speaker 2: saying how proud he is to have you know, both
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  Speaker 2: their names on the back of his jersey, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: wanting to finally move them out to Chicago or at
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  Speaker 2: least get them a place, you know, I'd imagine within
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  Speaker 2: walking distance of Wrigley Field. I mean, Pete's dad, Matt,
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  Speaker 2: you know our understanding, you'd be watching, he'd be watching
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  Speaker 2: the Cubs games anyways, you know what I mean. I
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  Speaker 2: think even if his son wasn't the starting center fielder,
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  Speaker 2: you know, would love to live in wrigley Ville and
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  Speaker 2: just kind of hang out. And so it kind of
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  Speaker 2: started from there. Then his agents at ca A you
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  Speaker 2: know who had really known him since he was a
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  Speaker 2: freshman at Harvard Westlake, a powerhouse baseball program in South Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: south southern California. Pete was a you know, starting varsity
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  Speaker 2: as a freshman, and I think was somewhat similar to
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  Speaker 2: who he is now of just kind of the pounding
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  Speaker 2: his chest after you know, big moments during the game.
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  Speaker 2: And then I just from you know, the Cub side.
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  Speaker 2: You can really go down the list here of Jared Banner,
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  Speaker 2: who had been the Mets farm director when Pete overslept
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  Speaker 2: like his first day at Mets camp, and Jared had
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  Speaker 2: told that story on our podcast here. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: some tough love there, and then Banner pounding the table
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  Speaker 2: for the Cups to acquire him at the trade headline, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: current major league hitting coat, which is John Mayley and
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  Speaker 2: Dustin Kelly who worked with him in the minors and
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  Speaker 2: helped him kind of corral all of the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: Pete has going on, you know, kind of at the
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  Speaker 2: plate in his head. And Craig Counsel. I believe that
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  Speaker 2: was the moment Pete cursed on air there of Council
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  Speaker 2: doesn't I think Council doesn't give something about whatever. It
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  Speaker 2: was just hilarious. And then of course, you know, thinking
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  Speaker 2: ownership and chairman Tom Riggots was there, you know, Jed Hoyer.
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  Speaker 2: I think his one of Pete's main things was that
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  Speaker 2: from the top down it has been this sort of
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  Speaker 2: like be yourself message, which he really appreciates. And so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe just because Pete can be so
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  Speaker 2: open and we've known Pete for a bit, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's different when a free agent comes in and you
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  Speaker 2: almost always know it's because the team offered them money,
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  Speaker 2: like this was, even though he wasn't a free agent.
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  Speaker 2: He made a choice, a life changing choice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he's making a lot of money, there's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt about that, But this is about he made
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  Speaker 1: it clear that this place makes him very comfortable and
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  Speaker 1: allows him to be who he is while also finding
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  Speaker 1: the best in him, like unearthing the best out of him.
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  Speaker 1: I think he appreciates the balance there where you know,
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  Speaker 1: he has some growth to go through, like he already
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  Speaker 1: has grown a ton, but you know, he can always
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  Speaker 1: get better, he can continue to mature, and he seems
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  Speaker 1: to understand that and want that and want to be
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  Speaker 1: coached up. I did think it was you know, he
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  Speaker 1: can be very endearing when he's like emotional like that.
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  Speaker 1: He was just kind of rambling there for a while
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  Speaker 1: at the start and admitted that he's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to stop it. I'm just gonna keep going
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  Speaker 1: unless someone stops me here, So jed kind of just like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: why do we questions? Yeah, I thought there were a
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  Speaker 1: lot of early on what I did here. There was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of nice moments, touching moments with the talking
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  Speaker 1: about his parents wearing both their names on his jersey.
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  Speaker 1: That was nice. You know, he seems very reflective for
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  Speaker 1: a twenty four year old. He just turned twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: I believe two days ago, so it's interesting he's got
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  Speaker 1: so much more to do and so much more ahead
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  Speaker 1: of him. You talked about how the agents have known
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  Speaker 1: him for so long. He's been on the radar and
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  Speaker 1: on the spotlight for a long time, like Team USA,
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  Speaker 1: remember those pictures of Team USA. Like he's like a
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  Speaker 1: twelve year old kid. He's been on the radar. The
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  Speaker 1: Cubs had a chance to draft him in the first round,
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  Speaker 1: didn't take that. They corrected that mistake by trading for him.
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  Speaker 1: Banner told that story. Or you know, like you could
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  Speaker 1: overreact to the way Pete behaves or the way he
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you can think he's like this me
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  Speaker 1: guy because he dyes his hair and because he's flashy,
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  Speaker 1: that means he's only about himself. I mean, you get
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  Speaker 1: to know him and that's just not like it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: take long for that to you know, just go out
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  Speaker 1: the window, you talk, you have one conversation with him.
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  Speaker 1: He's not about that. Like it's almost as a reporter,
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  Speaker 1: it can be a little frustrating at times, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he constantly defers, and it's almost hard to get
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  Speaker 1: him to talk about why he's so good or what
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  Speaker 1: makes him good. You know, he's always looking for ways
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  Speaker 1: to get better or you know, looking for someone to
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  Speaker 1: give credit to other than himself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as a reporter, he's close. Maybe not ideal,
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  Speaker 2: but he's great in that, like you have no idea
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  Speaker 2: how he's going to respond to questions. He's real, Like
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  Speaker 2: I think there are times where we we as sort
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  Speaker 2: of a group, can feel it, like where he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: a little annoyed or distracted or uninterested. And then also
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  Speaker 2: there are times where he just kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: sums up a really complicated situation in like two perfect
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  Speaker 2: paragraphs that you're like, all right, that goes right right
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  Speaker 2: in the story, and you know, I think he really
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  Speaker 2: This is another point that Jed had made, and it's
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  Speaker 2: a point well taken when he looked out at Pete's parents,
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  Speaker 2: Matt and Matt and Ashley of they raised someone who
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  Speaker 2: really understands the responsibilities of being a face of the franchise,
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  Speaker 2: that you know, signing autographs, understanding that saying hello to someone,
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  Speaker 2: particularly young fan, can make their day and maybe make
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  Speaker 2: them a baseball fan for the rest of their life. Clearly,
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  Speaker 2: the Chicago connection cannot be discounted here. You know, Pete's
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  Speaker 2: dad's from out here. Pete spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: here during the winter, popping up at Bears games in
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  Speaker 2: the United Center, And so I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: really makes him accessible to fans in a different way
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  Speaker 2: and in a way that really resonates.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's becoming a face. He's not just a face
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  Speaker 1: of the franchise, a face of MLB. Now, let's take
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  Speaker 1: a quick break and discuss how we got to this point,
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  Speaker 1: how this all came together.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick. This is not something that came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: This is not an extension that you know, anybody was
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  Speaker 1: really blindsided by. This is you know, we talked to
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  Speaker 1: Pete about this last spring. It's been over a year
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  Speaker 1: that there have been rumors they discussed this last spring.
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  Speaker 1: The offer, obviously what they agreed upon is much higher
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  Speaker 1: than what it was a year ago. The comps went
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  Speaker 1: from Ezekiel Tovar type a deal to Corbyn Carroll and
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Merrill type deal obviously in between there. But this
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  Speaker 1: is this is you know, they laid the groundwork and
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  Speaker 1: have had a built this relationship over the past year
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  Speaker 1: plus to make sure this could happen, And it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like Pete never really felt uncomfortable about it or like
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  Speaker 1: pressured into getting something done. They did a good job
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  Speaker 1: of making sure that all sides were satisfied with the
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  Speaker 1: way this went.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the timeline, Jed Hoyer ballparked it
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  Speaker 2: around fourteen months. And I know they we reported they
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  Speaker 2: said we're tabling talks. It wasn't like totally shut down,
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  Speaker 2: but there were points where, like they knew, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to push. So maybe that's we're kind of making
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  Speaker 2: any distinction here, But like they knew there were points
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  Speaker 2: where they wanted to focus on the field. They knew
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  Speaker 2: certain times of year or more conducive towards having productive discussions.
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  Speaker 2: Both sides were pretty motivated to make sure something eventually
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  Speaker 2: got done. And so if we're looking at this spring,
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  Speaker 2: they had looked at the beginning of Cactus League games
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  Speaker 2: as a time to when they wanted to get a resolution.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't, but there was enough momentum that they decided
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  Speaker 2: to keep talking. And then the WBC happens, and understandably,
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  Speaker 2: Pete's like, I want to focus on that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to have that distraction. So then he comes back
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  Speaker 2: to camp in Arizona and they kind of get it.
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  Speaker 2: Over the finish line. He roughly doubled what he would
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  Speaker 2: have gotten last year if he had signed that. If
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  Speaker 2: you're looking at a toe var or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to him to get another to get a
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  Speaker 2: bite at the apple of free agency, you know, not
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  Speaker 2: to when he's still in his early thirties. I think
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  Speaker 2: he'll be thirty when he becomes a free agent something
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  Speaker 2: like that, or maybe heading into his age thirty one season.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, for Pete, I think the way the
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  Speaker 2: way jed just was like Pete wanted to be dropped
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  Speaker 2: off at the right point, the right place in his career.
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  Speaker 2: So it was either going to be kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you know, a shorter term thing that bought out a
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  Speaker 2: year or two a free agency or something that really
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  Speaker 2: was a cub for life deal that like you know,
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  Speaker 2: nine years or like you know, seven plus three options
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  Speaker 2: just like wasn't really what they were looking at. And
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  Speaker 2: so I basically stole your questions to howday have of
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  Speaker 2: asking Jet about the previous cores just to get you know,
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  Speaker 2: something on the record, And he said it wasn't for
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  Speaker 2: lack of trying with contract extensions and that there is
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  Speaker 2: you know, some nuance to that. But I think his
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  Speaker 2: answer redirected it towards we knew how much Pete wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be here and that you know, his preferences were
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  Speaker 2: you know, a parent, and that makes a huge difference
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  Speaker 2: in these tops.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the want to matters, right, you have to want
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  Speaker 1: to stay and not that guys in the previous score
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to stay. But you know it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: you know, come to an agreement on these deals. That
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  Speaker 1: it's worked out so well for Jed over the past year,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess more than that really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he's he's done more extensions in the past five years.
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  Speaker 1: Then they did like what it was castro Rizzo and
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  Speaker 1: then nothing for a while. I think pedro Strope was
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  Speaker 1: one of the one of the extensions they got done.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, it just there wasn't a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it came close. If not for the pandemic, maybe Hobby
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  Speaker 1: Bias never would have been you know, traded away and
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  Speaker 1: we wouldn't even be talking about Peek Armstrong. So sometimes
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  Speaker 1: these things work out really well. And in the end,
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs, you know, not extending those guys, not getting
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  Speaker 1: a deal done maybe worked out right. Like there was
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  Speaker 1: a clear down period and extreme struggles for the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: for a few years that fans don't want to deal
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  Speaker 1: with and get tired of. But look, it's led to
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  Speaker 1: this and and right now you have to be happy
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  Speaker 1: to have Peter Armstrong. They they are able to come
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  Speaker 1: together on this long term deal. And you're right, it's
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  Speaker 1: not like a lifetime Cub deal. I think maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: almost like not probably not like Nico is going to
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  Speaker 1: play pass probably this deal that he's signed, but like
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, he's going to be a cup. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty much close to being a Cub for life.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take one more quick break and come back and
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about Pete AJ.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Peaker Armstrong is one of those names that you
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  Speaker 1: see across baseball nowadays. You know, Midsummer he was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the hottest names in baseball. Aaron Judge and
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  Speaker 1: Shoho Tani. They get and deserve all the headlines. And
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  Speaker 1: then I don't think Pete Armstrong is that far behind.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly in Chicago it's you know him, Caleb Williams, and
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  Speaker 1: then some other young stars you want to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: Connor Bdard and Madus Bizzellis. But those two guys, Pete
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong and Caleb Williams are the face. And it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like Pete's getting the endorsements now as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was told recently kind of deals at marketing
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  Speaker 2: deals have come together include Gatorade, Southwest Corona and New Balance,
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  Speaker 2: so a very Elmagojave Bayaz like run. It just shows
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  Speaker 2: how how much people gravitate towards this player, how companies
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  Speaker 2: recogniz as the kind of energy that surrounds Pete and
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  Speaker 2: Wrigley Field. And I think the endorsements are sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, secondary to all this. I think it's more
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  Speaker 2: of just Jet even explicitly said like our brand like
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  Speaker 2: and you know, Pete, you know, mentioned how what the
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  Speaker 2: Ricketts family has done to Wrigleyville, And I think there
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  Speaker 2: was kind of this sense from the twenty sixteen team
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  Speaker 2: of like they felt correctly that they had brought a
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  Speaker 2: lot of value to that neighborhood and really helped them
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  Speaker 2: crush that crush it with that investment. And now you
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  Speaker 2: have Pete here coming in and you know, able to
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  Speaker 2: reap the benefits of some of that and also just
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  Speaker 2: feel really anchored in Chicago and can just go out
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  Speaker 2: and play. I mean, I think you see Pete's frustrations
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  Speaker 2: out there at times, you know, how emotional he can be.
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  Speaker 2: I think having this, you know, could really help him
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  Speaker 2: unlock maybe a different part of his personality, a different
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  Speaker 2: side of his personality, maybe a different part of his game,
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  Speaker 2: like who knows, but you know, I can tell you
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  Speaker 2: it did weigh on him a little bit last year
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  Speaker 2: when he turned down that deal. And you know, he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know if there's a cause and effect, and he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't really thought about it that much. But he sort
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  Speaker 2: of laughed when I asked him, like, if you look
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  Speaker 2: at his season last year, he was not hitting at
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  Speaker 2: all in April and then they get to Dodger Stadium
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  Speaker 2: and a report leaks out that was incorrect in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the numbers, but saying that they had he had
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  Speaker 2: turned it down. And maybe the next day he hits
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  Speaker 2: two huge home runs on SAT. Night Baseball and like
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  Speaker 2: blows the kiss to his mom in the stands and
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  Speaker 2: had that was the beginning of this amazing offensive stretch.
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  Speaker 2: And so we never really know with this stuff, but
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  Speaker 2: we know that the Cubs don't think he's going to
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  Speaker 2: get this huge contract and just like turn it down
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  Speaker 2: in his intensity. But I do think there's something too.
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  Speaker 2: I think Pete alluded to it kind of hit him
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  Speaker 2: last night, like, Okay, this is my routine for the
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  Speaker 2: next six plus years, Like this is where you know
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  Speaker 2: I can you know, go home, you know, day games,
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  Speaker 2: Wrigley Field, knowing who he's playing with, who he's playing for.
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't, you know, define a player's career, but it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't hurt to have that level of comfort and security.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, instability, right, I think that's probably a theme throughout
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  Speaker 1: this organization with Jet now stable in his position and Nico, Pete, Crow, Armstrong,
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  Speaker 1: Craig Counsel. These these people are going to be around
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  Speaker 1: for a while and you can build a winner around
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  Speaker 1: all of them. All right, we'll have plenty of Pete
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  Speaker 1: talk for one hundred and sixty one plus games left
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  Speaker 1: to go, so we'll make sure to talk plenty of
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  Speaker 1: Pete more about the upcoming season. Thanks so much for
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