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Credlin | 11 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Marking to Credit and I'm Steve Price with
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Speaker 2: you all this week as Peter takes a break. Now
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Speaker 2: here's what's coming up on Credlin tonight. The Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: as we've heard, confirms that he will at the UN
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Speaker 2: next month make it clear Australia as following France, Canada
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Speaker 2: and the UK in recognizing Palestine reaction coming up from
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Speaker 2: around the country and from around the world. Chris Juberan
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Speaker 2: will join us too to preview what I am told
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Speaker 2: of some riveting television tonight on Sky at seven point thirty.
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Speaker 2: It's a documentary called The War Cabinet, putting together some
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Speaker 2: of the best minds on defense and how prepared Australia
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Speaker 2: is to actually defend itself. And speaking of documentaries, one
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Speaker 2: filmed in secret exposing the dangerous deterioration of the assets
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Speaker 2: of Fire and Rescue Victoria, putting fires lives at risk.
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Speaker 2: Plus Andrew Hasty, the Shadow Home Affairs Minister. I'll ask
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Speaker 2: Andrew about the Palestine announcement today and his campaign that
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Speaker 2: we all stand between before one Australian flag. And I've
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Speaker 2: got some interesting pitchures to go with that. But first though,
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Speaker 2: just after lunchtime, as was expected, the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 2: Foreign Minister made the symbolic announcement that Australia would officially
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Speaker 2: announce at the UN General Assembly in New York next
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Speaker 2: month that we as a country will recognize a Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: I say symbolic because in a practical sense, in a
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Speaker 2: real time and real day sense, what difference will this
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Speaker 2: make to the everyday lives of our Palestinian family in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Will they suddenly be safe and well and fared, of
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Speaker 2: course not. Will it mean humas we'll hear of Australia's
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Speaker 2: actions today and release the dead and alive Israeli hostages.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: Will Benjamin net and Yahoo change his military tactics. Not
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Speaker 2: if you watch what he said about us as a
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Speaker 2: country overnight.
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Speaker 4: To have your Pean countries and Australia march into that,
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Speaker 4: march into that rabbit hole just like that, fall right
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Speaker 4: into it. And by this canard is disappointing and I
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Speaker 4: think it's actually shameful. But it's not going to take
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Speaker 4: It's not going to change our position. Those who say
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Speaker 4: that Israel has a right to defend itself are also saying,
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Speaker 4: but don't exercise that right. They know what they would
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Speaker 4: do if right next to Melbourne or right next to
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Speaker 4: Sydney you had this horrific attacks. I think you would
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Speaker 4: do it at least what we're doing.
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Speaker 2: Net New makes a good point about how state in
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Speaker 2: Australia would have reacted if attact like Israel was on
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Speaker 2: October seven back in twenty twenty three. Let's be very
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Speaker 2: clear here. The two hard left politicians you saw standing
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Speaker 2: at Lichten's in the PM's courtyard today, Anthony Albanesi and Pennywong,
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Speaker 2: have been lifetime believers of a Palestinian state. It's in
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Speaker 2: their DNA. I'm surprised it took so long. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I guess the federal election in May got in the way.
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't I think have wanted to go and campaign
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Speaker 2: during an election campaign and say I'm getting a little
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Speaker 2: sick and tired of hearing this Palestinian idea is what
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Speaker 2: most Australians want. It's not. And if you had a
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Speaker 2: pole in Australia on that, I don't believe that that's
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Speaker 2: what you would find. Some Jewish Australians might take issue
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Speaker 2: with this by.
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Speaker 5: The way, the international community's vision for a just and
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Speaker 5: lasting peace in the Middle East always encompass two states
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Speaker 5: living side by side with internationally recognized borders.
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Speaker 2: The Jewish community is in uproar, as they should be.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister tried to explain what his recognition move
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Speaker 2: has asked of the Palestinian Liberation Authority. The PLO here
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Speaker 2: he is.
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Speaker 5: Our government has made it clear that there can be
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Speaker 5: no role for the terrorists of Hamas in any few
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Speaker 5: future Palestinian state. This is one of the commitments Australia
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Speaker 5: has sought and received from President of Bus and the
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Speaker 5: Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognizes Israel's
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Speaker 5: right to exist in peace and security.
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Speaker 2: Well, what does he think's going to happen? Does he
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Speaker 2: think Amas is just going to simply disappear, lay down
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Speaker 2: their weapons, walk away, give the hostages back. So sorry,
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Speaker 2: we didn't mean to do that. And where are they
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Speaker 2: going to go? I mean, this Palestinian state is going
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Speaker 2: to have people who were and are in Hamas. Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister Penny Wong, though, what does she do while she
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Speaker 2: continues to be critical of Israel and.
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Speaker 6: In relation to ceasfar on the ground, I would make
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Speaker 6: the point that the Israeli security Cabinet's decision to launch
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Speaker 6: a large scale offensive into Gaza is counter to the
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Speaker 6: prospect of a sease far.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we all knew this was coming, and
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Speaker 2: I expect that those images of people marching over the
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Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge on the weekend before last was a symbolic
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Speaker 2: prod that pushed the federal Cabinet that met this morning
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Speaker 2: to endorse this announcement. Today, it leaves huge questions around
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Speaker 2: our historical alliance with the US and Israel. US Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio has made it clear he thinks
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Speaker 2: it's the wrong way to go. He overnight blamed the
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Speaker 2: French announcement on recognition for Palestine for torpedioing peace talks
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Speaker 2: with Amas. Donald Trump won't like it, and that Trump
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Speaker 2: Albanesi meeting is probably even further away now than ever.
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Speaker 2: And as respected commentators like Greg Sheridan point out from
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Speaker 2: The Australian, they point out, hummas sees these recognitions moved
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Speaker 2: by now US and the French and the English and
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Speaker 2: the Canadians as a victory for them. Our place in
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Speaker 2: the world changed today, will see where that leaves us.
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Speaker 2: Let's head to camera now for tonight's political headlines with
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Speaker 2: Sky News's political reporter Triny Macintosh.
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Speaker 7: A seismic step towards statehood as the Prime Minister makes
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Speaker 7: an historic.
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Speaker 5: Move Australia will recognize the State of Palestine.
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Speaker 7: Australia joins allies France, Canada and the UK in promising
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Speaker 7: the steps to recognition at next month's United Nations General Assembly.
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Speaker 5: This is about much more than drawing a line on
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Speaker 5: a map. This is about delivering a lifeline to the
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Speaker 5: people of Gaza.
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Speaker 8: That backing hinges on a guarantee that terror group Hermas,
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Speaker 8: which controls Gaza, plays no role in a future government.
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Speaker 5: This is an opportunity to isolate her.
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Speaker 7: Maas ahead of the announcement Israel's Prime Minister had made
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Speaker 7: his view clear.
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Speaker 4: Is disappointing and I think it's actually shameful.
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Speaker 7: The pair spoke in a rare and lengthy phone call
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Speaker 7: last Thursday when Benjamin Netanyahu tried to talk Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 7: out of recognition.
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Speaker 5: I've said it publicly and I've said it directly. The
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Speaker 5: situation in Gaza has gone beyd on the world's worst.
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Speaker 7: Fears Australia's support for statehood hinges on a reformed Palestinian authority,
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Speaker 7: the governing body of the West Bank. Unlike Hamas, the
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister says, PA President Mahmudabas has committed to ensuring
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Speaker 7: Israel's right to exist in peace, committed to demilitarize and
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Speaker 7: hold general elections.
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Speaker 5: This is a practical contribution towards building momentum. This is
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Speaker 5: not Australia acting alone.
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Speaker 7: The move was met with immediate pushback from the federal opposition.
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Speaker 2: This is a reward to her mass for what they
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Speaker 2: started on October seven.
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Speaker 9: That said's a dreadful president.
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Speaker 8: Jewish Group's not surprised, but disappointed.
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Speaker 10: Australia is now committed to recognizing a state with no
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Speaker 10: green borders, no single government and effective control of its territory,
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Speaker 10: and no capacity to live in peace with its neighbors.
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Speaker 7: The diplomatic decision puts Australia at odds with our closest
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Speaker 7: ally of the United States. The Foreign Minister spoke with
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Speaker 7: her US counterpart Marco Rubio to give him chant's notice
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Speaker 7: of the shift.
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Speaker 6: Palestinian civilians cannot be made to pay the price of
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Speaker 6: defeating Hamas.
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Speaker 5: The toll of the status quo is growing by the
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Speaker 5: day and it can be measured in innocent lives. The
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Speaker 5: world cannot wait for success to be guaranteed.
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Speaker 8: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Good on your treaty. Thank you for that. Now all right,
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Speaker 2: as you heard there, federal politics has been all focused
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Speaker 2: today on Australia formally recognize the Palestinian state. Now joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this is Sky's political contributor Chris Jelman,
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Speaker 2: who will tonight' host. What I am told is a
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Speaker 2: riveting special to air at seven point thirty on Sky
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Speaker 2: to test Australia's preparedness for war. It's called the War Cabinet.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in moment. Chris, welcome to you.
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Speaker 2: You've been covering politics at the sharp end in Canberra
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Speaker 2: for a long time. Did you ever believe that you
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Speaker 2: had see announcement like this from Labor?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 11: I think I've been on this pathway for a long time.
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Speaker 12: I'm Steve.
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Speaker 11: You've been going along to their conferences now for the
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Speaker 11: last decade or so there's been.
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Speaker 12: A very big push from the left.
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Speaker 11: To try and get the changing to the wording of
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Speaker 11: the Labor platform over a long period of time, and
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Speaker 11: Penny Wong said today on this particular decision that essentially
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Speaker 11: been working towards it since April, with the deadline of September,
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Speaker 11: which is when the UN meets and all the world
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Speaker 11: comes together to discuss this issue, among many others. And
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Speaker 11: if you look at the disposition of Labour's base now
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Speaker 11: and where it sees the straws blowing in the wind,
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Speaker 11: it believes that it's got community support behind it, or
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Speaker 11: enough community support and progressive opinion behind it. So I'm
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Speaker 11: not surprised by it is an historic moment though, Let's
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Speaker 11: make no bones about that. And it is a reward
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Speaker 11: for terrorism because when Hermas launched that attack on October seven,
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Speaker 11: all months and months ago, years ago now, its intention
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Speaker 11: was to draw Israel into this kind of fight and
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Speaker 11: to delegitimize it as a state. US did not care
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Speaker 11: if every single person in Gaza died to achieve that end.
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Speaker 11: They wanted to get the state of Israel delegitimized in
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Speaker 11: the eyes of the world. And that's what they have
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Speaker 11: achieved because they understood Benjamin Netna, who way better than
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Speaker 11: he seems to have understood them.
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Speaker 12: I will point out that you can.
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Speaker 11: Support the state of Israel without supporting everything that the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister and his cabinet have done.
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Speaker 12: And I believe that the Prime Minister and.
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Speaker 11: His cabinet have made some mistakes which have played into
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Speaker 11: the hands of his enemies.
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Speaker 2: Well, the PM led us in to know that there
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Speaker 2: was a Thursday night phone call. It was lengthy between
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Speaker 2: him and net Nyahu and as truly reported, there apparently
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Speaker 2: netnah who tried to talk the Prime Minister out of
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Speaker 2: doing this, he failed. What's that due to the relationship
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Speaker 2: between Australia and Israel.
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Speaker 11: Well, the relationship between Australia and Israel now of course
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Speaker 11: hits an incredibly low point, and Israel and Australia.
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Speaker 12: Have been at one for a very very long time.
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Speaker 11: So this is a huge fracture in that and of
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Speaker 11: course Israel's create a support closest to ally is the
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Speaker 11: United States. Now we have to question whether or not
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Speaker 11: this decision that we've made will affect the relationship that
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Speaker 11: we have with the United States, which is crucial to
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Speaker 11: our own security.
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio made it pretty clear. I think Chris that
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Speaker 2: he was an impressed that we were going to go
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Speaker 2: in this route. I mean Penny Wong rang him. Rubio
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Speaker 2: says that you know, this is like rewarding Humas, giving
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Speaker 2: them a big pat on the back, of global pat
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Speaker 2: on the back. But more crucially, he pointed out that
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Speaker 2: at the time when the French president macrom came out
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Speaker 2: first and said he was going to recognize Palestine, according
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Speaker 2: to Rubio, that actually torpedo peace talks that were underway
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Speaker 2: at the time to try and sort out the problem
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Speaker 2: in Gaza.
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Speaker 11: And Marco Rubio was involved in that, so he would
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Speaker 11: know and I think that no doubt it strengthened the
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Speaker 11: hand in those negotiations. If they felt that they're on
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Speaker 11: a path to achieving their end, what on earth would
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Speaker 11: they give up those housages. I don't think they have
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Speaker 11: ever ever had any intention of doing that. They would
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Speaker 11: make that the last bit of leverage that they had.
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Speaker 11: And of course Marco Arubio is one person. What will
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Speaker 11: matter is what Donald Trump thinks and the effect that
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Speaker 11: it has on a relationship with Australia. Of course, we
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Speaker 11: know that Anthony Albanesi has been seeking and a meeting
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Speaker 11: with Donald Trump for a long time now, so this
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Speaker 11: might complicate that.
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Speaker 12: There's always the possibility of course there would be punishment
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Speaker 12: by way of tariffs.
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Speaker 11: But I think that you'll find that the government will
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Speaker 11: think that being monstered by the United States when it
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Speaker 11: comes to the way it will play domestically, won't help
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Speaker 11: hurt the Albanese government at all.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The other issue, of course is you know what real
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Speaker 2: change or difference does it make on the ground in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: It makes very little difference. I mean, it's fine for
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Speaker 2: these countries to symbolog you say they want to recognize
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Speaker 2: a palace in in state. It's fine to deal with
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Speaker 2: a bus and the palace in authority. That's not feeding
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Speaker 2: kids who are starving to death.
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Speaker 11: Are You're dead right about that, Steve, And that's the
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Speaker 11: important thing. But don't forget symbolism is also extremely important,
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Speaker 11: and the symbolism of this move by Australia is historic.
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Speaker 11: This is a fracture of our past which is huge
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Speaker 11: and we'll have ramifications obviously for years to come. So
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Speaker 11: make no mistake about the fact that the government understands
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Speaker 11: that its symbolic and that that symbolism is going to matter.
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Speaker 11: And when so many nations line up against the state
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Speaker 11: of Israel when it comes to that meeting of the
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Speaker 11: General Assembly in September. That will be a powerful, powerful symbol.
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Speaker 11: Israel and the United States will look very lonely, indeed,
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Speaker 11: and that is the intention of this.
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Speaker 2: Chris, you've got the special on tonight. War Cabinet. We
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Speaker 2: talked about it last week. I know you've filmed that
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Speaker 2: during the week, looking at this very real prospect a
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Speaker 2: war within our region. Let's have a sneak peek at
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Speaker 2: one unfolded. Interestingly, in the original cabinet room in the
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Speaker 2: old Parliament House. You shot this special in the old
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Speaker 2: Parliament House, actual cabinet room. What was that like?
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Speaker 12: It was great?
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Speaker 11: Like you know, it as a return to the place
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Speaker 11: where you know, where Parliament did have meetings of the
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Speaker 11: war cabinet during the Second World War. Parliament kept sitting
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Speaker 11: during the Second World War. Now this is not the
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Speaker 11: actual room in which those meetings took place because it's
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Speaker 11: been remodeled since then. That's the nineteen seventy two cabinet table.
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Speaker 11: So that's as close as we could get to being
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Speaker 11: the real thing. And to get to being the real thing,
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Speaker 11: we had people like Alexander Downer who you can see now,
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Speaker 11: and Mike Bizzulo Mike Bozilli, former head of Home Affairs,
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Speaker 11: wrote the two thousand and nine Defense white Paper, Alexander Downer,
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Speaker 11: longest serving foreign Minister, and Joel Fitzgiven the Defense Minister
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Speaker 11: in the Rudd government. So we had a group of
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Speaker 11: people who know what it's like to be around that
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Speaker 11: cabinet table, who've had to make these kinds of decisions.
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Speaker 11: I guess the interesting thing to come out of it, Steve,
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Speaker 11: was that we were failing to read that's signs of
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Speaker 11: the times in the build up that we're seeing from China,
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Speaker 11: and that we're complacent. And one of the key reasons
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Speaker 11: that we're complacent is because the Albanesi government does not
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Speaker 11: want to talk in mean terms about China, would rather
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Speaker 11: speak softly to China and speak very very loudly to
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Speaker 11: Washington while we shelter under Washington's security umbrella. So you know,
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Speaker 11: we are we are loud in word, but actually a
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Speaker 11: bit short when it comes to deeds.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to give away, you know, everything that's
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Speaker 2: going to unfold tonight seven thirty, it's on between seven
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Speaker 2: thirty and eight to thirty on Sky Eastern Standard time,
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Speaker 2: will be I'm really looking forward to seeing it just
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Speaker 2: a simple answer, though, I mean, are we too far
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Speaker 2: behind the eight ball? Can we get back to a
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Speaker 2: position where we would be able in some way to
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Speaker 2: defend ourselves.
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Speaker 11: So Steve, we're taking a gamble. We're taking a gamble
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Speaker 11: that there's going to be peace in the region when
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Speaker 11: all of the things that we can see going on
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Speaker 11: around us show that to China are gearing up for war.
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Speaker 11: They're building up their navy, building up their army.
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Speaker 12: They are building up their power to project power.
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Speaker 11: They've got a deadline of twenty twenty seven when Shu
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Speaker 11: Jinping wants his force is ready to take Taiwan by
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Speaker 11: force if necessary. Now that's not saying that that will happen,
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Speaker 11: but that's the Chinese own deadline. They're actually stockpiling for
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Speaker 11: war as well. They've already planted virtual bombs on our infrastructure.
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Speaker 11: So if anything does happen, the first thing that will
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Speaker 11: happen inside Australia.
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Speaker 12: Will be the lights go out.
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Speaker 11: So we should all hope for peace, we should all
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Speaker 11: hope the diplomacy prevails. But in the world that we
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Speaker 11: live in, a wise government prepares for the worst, and
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Speaker 11: we are not prepared to conduct any kind of conflict
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Speaker 11: in the near term.
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Speaker 2: Chris, I look forward to watching it. Thank you very
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Speaker 2: much for joining us. I'll talk to you next week.
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Speaker 2: That's Chris Hulman there. Make sure you watch The War
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Speaker 2: Cabinet by Chris at seven thirty on Sky News tonight
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Speaker 2: now coming up after the break, exposing the dire state
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Speaker 2: of Fire Rescue Victoria as fieries reached their breaking point.
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Speaker 2: This is a very very interesting documentary. Plus a bit
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Speaker 2: later on the push from at least one coalition empty
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Speaker 2: brave enough to say, as we all should, we should
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Speaker 2: be united under one flag. Welcome back. I want to
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Speaker 2: turn out of this documentary, which has been shot in
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Speaker 2: secret inside Victorian fire stations. It blows the lid. That's
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Speaker 2: the only way to say it. On how unreliable the
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Speaker 2: state's aging fire trucks have become. It's quite extraordinary. Call
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Speaker 2: Breaking Point was filmed without the knowledge of the leadership
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Speaker 2: of Fire Rescue Victoria. I want you to have a
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Speaker 2: quick look at what this documentary uncovered.
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Speaker 13: What would you do if you quart you below in
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Speaker 13: your house is on fire and you said on it
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Speaker 13: a fire truck and nothing turned up.
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Speaker 12: I've never known it to be this bad. Lives are
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Speaker 12: on the line. How do you play Russian with that?
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Speaker 14: With a truck, someone in the community is going to die.
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Speaker 14: And that's the reality of appliances not performing to the
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Speaker 14: standard that they're required to perform to.
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Speaker 4: We are starting to fall short.
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Speaker 3: We have had trucks toad it's on their way to
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Speaker 3: a fire call.
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Speaker 14: I had a truck that lost complete power on the
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Speaker 14: Pan Highway. I've been in a thirty seven meter ladder
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Speaker 14: that's broken down and I've had to crawl out of that.
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Speaker 2: That's not what people pay for.
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Speaker 9: They're paying for a well leading vices that they're not receiving.
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Speaker 1: The things that are breaking on these trucks aren't made up.
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Speaker 2: It is happening every day. It's happening all across the state.
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Speaker 8: It's happening all the time.
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Speaker 2: The public don't know, and they need to know.
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Speaker 8: There's going to be lost of life one day.
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Speaker 2: It's no matter of if some tragedy is going to happen,
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Speaker 2: it's when.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you half of the two hundred trucks
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Speaker 2: in fire Rescue Victoria Fleet a pass the fifteen year
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Speaker 2: used by date. That number will be two and three
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Speaker 2: by the end of this year. Been more than five
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Speaker 2: hundred breakdowns, five hundred in the past twelve months. Trucks
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Speaker 2: have been stopped pumping water at fires. Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: that forcing firefighters to rescue people from burning buildings without
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Speaker 2: any water. The failure to acknowledge and act on the
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Speaker 2: danger posed by aging the fleet was a major factor
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Speaker 2: behind a ninety percent no confidence vote in Fire Rescue
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Speaker 2: Victoria Commissioner Gavin Freeman and members of his leadership team.
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Speaker 2: He had to discuss just how die the situation has
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Speaker 2: become Two of the whistle blowers involved in that documentary,
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Speaker 2: acting station officer with more than nineteen years experience and
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Speaker 2: uf YOU Safety Rep. Kat Danell and leading firefighter and
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Speaker 2: uf YOU member Matt Morgan. Thanks you both for coming in.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Steve, any Victorian watching that who might potentially tonight
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Speaker 2: be in an apartment fourth floor catches, fire truck gets
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Speaker 2: sent to the callout? Can they rest comfortably in bed
19:58
Speaker 2: tonight knowing that there'll be O.
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Speaker 3: Well, we've got a major issue with our aerial appliances
20:04
Speaker 3: right across the state, Steve. We just don't have them
20:08
Speaker 3: in commission when they should be.
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Speaker 2: So what's the biggest problem in the age of the equipment,
20:14
Speaker 2: it's the age.
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Speaker 1: By rights, they've got a fifteen year used by date
20:20
Speaker 1: and by then they're pretty well worn out. We're hard
20:24
Speaker 1: on them by necessity. They look nice and shining on
20:27
Speaker 1: the outside, there's no two ways about that. But once
20:32
Speaker 1: once things start to not work, pumps, foam systems, even
20:37
Speaker 1: the gear holds, gear inside lockers and on top of
20:41
Speaker 1: the appliance, that's when it just gets untenable.
20:47
Speaker 2: So who do you lay the blame at the feet
20:49
Speaker 2: of here? Is it management of fire rescue Victoria? Is
20:53
Speaker 2: it the fact that they can't convince government to spend
20:56
Speaker 2: money on new equipment? Who's a fault? Someone who would blame? Surely, Look, it's.
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Speaker 12: Not really about laying the blame.
21:01
Speaker 3: It's about how do we get this fixed? And it's
21:04
Speaker 3: going to take you quite a bit of funding and
21:07
Speaker 3: quite some time to get this, you know, fixed, because
21:11
Speaker 3: you can't just go out These trucks are so specialized,
21:15
Speaker 3: you can't just go out and buy them off the shelf.
21:16
Speaker 3: They need to be ordered, they need to be you know,
21:19
Speaker 3: the chassis boarding from overseas and then built in Australia
21:22
Speaker 3: and it's just going to so it's not really here
21:25
Speaker 3: blaming people. We just want to see it fixed.
21:28
Speaker 2: How dangerous is it for the men and women working
21:31
Speaker 2: on the trucks?
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Speaker 1: Matter of time before a matter of time before we'll
21:38
Speaker 1: be going to someone's funeral, purely because what's happened on
21:40
Speaker 1: the truck and.
21:41
Speaker 2: So what's going to guarantee it? So I'll see equipment
21:43
Speaker 2: breaking down in the middle of an emergency situation, yeah, absolutely,
21:48
Speaker 2: And what sort of equipment are pumping the water?
21:51
Speaker 12: Pumping water?
21:52
Speaker 1: What we call aerial appliances, which are like very large
21:57
Speaker 1: cherry pickers with a hapless bought up in the cage,
22:03
Speaker 1: usually over the top of a raging fire. They're specifically
22:05
Speaker 1: designed to get over and above large fires factories in particular.
22:11
Speaker 1: We saw it happen at Derrimit last year at the
22:16
Speaker 1: chemical fire there. The usual areal plants that we wanted
22:20
Speaker 1: from Sunshine has been missing in action for months and
22:26
Speaker 1: so we had to wait for one to come from Richmond,
22:29
Speaker 1: another twenty five minutes further away.
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Speaker 2: Your union's a strong union. It's been strong in union
22:36
Speaker 2: politics in Victoria for a long time with a strong leader.
22:39
Speaker 2: We've got a labor government. We've got a labor government
22:42
Speaker 2: for ten years. Dan Andrews and now Justinda Allen. Why
22:46
Speaker 2: has the Union not been able to have more influence
22:49
Speaker 2: on what the government has to spend to keep people safe?
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Speaker 12: Well, I personally, I'm going to say.
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Speaker 1: The old adage of all politicians of the side, we
23:02
Speaker 1: would gladly stay apolitical, absolutely gladly. But when one party
23:08
Speaker 1: is saying, hey, you back us and will we'll look
23:12
Speaker 1: after you. And then when push comes to shove, we're
23:18
Speaker 1: standing there knee deep in anger and aid pinss nothing
23:20
Speaker 1: to show for it.
23:22
Speaker 2: So how quickly can this be turned around? I mean,
23:25
Speaker 2: I want to ask you both. You're putting your own
23:27
Speaker 2: reputations on the line being involved in this. Clearly that
23:30
Speaker 2: would have been okay, it must have been a big decision.
23:33
Speaker 2: I mean, to go public as a whistleblower on something
23:38
Speaker 2: as important as is. I congratulate you, but you put
23:41
Speaker 2: your own career at risk of resume.
23:43
Speaker 9: Look, it wasn't really a big decision.
23:44
Speaker 3: I've been a health and safety rep since just before
23:47
Speaker 3: the large Tottenham fire out at Footscrade. You know, I've
23:52
Speaker 3: seen firefighters injured over the course of their careers where
23:55
Speaker 3: they cannot come back to work. Let alone is a firefighter,
23:58
Speaker 3: But work in any capacity, and that might be because
24:00
Speaker 3: of something they've had to do at a fire. But
24:03
Speaker 3: when you see, you know, when injury can occur as
24:05
Speaker 3: a result of not having a truck or not having
24:08
Speaker 3: a working truck and being sent into a fire to
24:11
Speaker 3: perform a rescue. To me, that just shows a huge
24:15
Speaker 3: lack of respect for our profession that we're not given
24:19
Speaker 3: the equipment that we need to perform our role. You know,
24:23
Speaker 3: far Farer safety as paramount, public safety as paramount. And
24:28
Speaker 3: it was an easy decision, honestly, Steve, to come forward.
24:31
Speaker 1: We're supposed to leave the job in a better condition
24:33
Speaker 1: than what it was when we found it. I've got
24:37
Speaker 1: thirty eight year service. I'm coming to the end. I'm
24:39
Speaker 1: well and truly over the hill. But I have my
24:44
Speaker 1: crew at derrim It, all of them. None of them
24:47
Speaker 1: were born when I joined the job, and I've got
24:49
Speaker 1: to look after them. So my career becomes quite superfluous.
24:53
Speaker 2: And imagine I, who is sitting here talking about how
24:57
Speaker 2: I see you at Royal Melbourne Hospital had broken equipment
25:01
Speaker 2: that failed in the middle of a saving a child's
25:04
Speaker 2: life at the children's I mean it'd be fixed in
25:07
Speaker 2: it like that.
25:08
Speaker 1: You would think, Yeah, well, why can't.
25:12
Speaker 2: This be fixed? That's the eternal question.
25:17
Speaker 1: This is why, unfortunately we had to go on the
25:19
Speaker 1: What do you.
25:19
Speaker 2: Think would have happened if you hadn't spoken out?
25:21
Speaker 3: Well, I think we've been raising it internally for quite
25:24
Speaker 3: some time and now is the time to you know,
25:27
Speaker 3: we just kept getting told we're a world leading fire service.
25:30
Speaker 12: We're not.
25:30
Speaker 3: We're borderline catastrophic.
25:33
Speaker 2: What's it doing to the morale of the men and
25:35
Speaker 2: women that you know? And how hard is it to
25:37
Speaker 2: recruit me below based level?
25:40
Speaker 1: Yes, you see it reflected in all sorts of ways,
25:43
Speaker 1: and I've never seen it this bad.
25:46
Speaker 2: Well, your colleagues and the police forces are not much better.
25:48
Speaker 2: Morale there's at rock bottom as well.
25:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, our paramedics aren't looking real flash over.
25:53
Speaker 2: Touren's pay taxes for the very reasons that you two
25:56
Speaker 2: are sitting here to make sure that if there's an emergent,
26:00
Speaker 2: it's in regard to a fire, whether it's an industrial
26:02
Speaker 2: fire or a house fire, and police are there to
26:05
Speaker 2: stop you when someone comes through your front door with
26:07
Speaker 2: the machete, or paramedic comes and saves you from a
26:09
Speaker 2: heart attack, that's what you pay taxes for you don't
26:12
Speaker 2: pay taxes for people to sit around as politicians and
26:16
Speaker 2: do sweet bugger all do no.
26:20
Speaker 1: Not not in theory no, but in reality the folks
26:27
Speaker 1: aren't getting the money, they're not getting the service that
26:30
Speaker 1: they pay for.
26:32
Speaker 9: And I should reiterate victorious.
26:36
Speaker 1: Firefighters aren't going to give up and they're not going
26:38
Speaker 1: to fail to respond. We're going to always go that
26:42
Speaker 1: extra mile for the folks.
26:43
Speaker 2: But we can our audience watch the documentary.
26:45
Speaker 3: At BreakingPoint dot com dot are you and I urge
26:49
Speaker 3: everyone to have a look at it.
26:51
Speaker 2: Tap palful, Matt, thanks for coming, appreciate it. Credit to
26:55
Speaker 2: you can now watch Breaking Point. Hast just said at
26:58
Speaker 2: www dot breaking pot, BreakingPoint dot com dot au and
27:05
Speaker 2: just before we head to the break. In response to
27:07
Speaker 2: this story, Fire Rescue Victoria has said firefighter safety is
27:11
Speaker 2: paramount and at the forefront of everything we do. Senior
27:15
Speaker 2: leaders quote have commissioned an independent external audit of frv's
27:21
Speaker 2: fleet and maintenance programs, the outcome of which will inform
27:24
Speaker 2: our maintenance and replacement plans going forward. FRV has established
27:29
Speaker 2: a specialist team to strengthen its fleet maintenance regime. In parallel,
27:34
Speaker 2: FRV is working closely with the Victorian government to fund
27:37
Speaker 2: and acquiet new trucks. Will of course keep an eye
27:40
Speaker 2: on that audit and that update, and we'll have more
27:42
Speaker 2: for you after the break. Gord, welcome back to price
27:52
Speaker 2: with you now to the state of the nation's housing market.
27:55
Speaker 2: We know what a message is in and the difficulties
27:57
Speaker 2: facing buyers who actually want to get a foot on
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Speaker 2: the latter I mean any of us who've got younger
28:02
Speaker 2: kids in their mid twenties, I mean the chances of
28:05
Speaker 2: them getting into a house are pretty slim. The issues
28:07
Speaker 2: around costs and taxes are particularly grim, especially for Victorians,
28:11
Speaker 2: because we're many more taxes associated to housing than any
28:15
Speaker 2: other state, everything from a vacant land tax can you
28:18
Speaker 2: believe that? To the burden of stamp duty. Dominic Magnato
28:22
Speaker 2: is an architect who's online rants or observations would be
28:26
Speaker 2: a kind of way to put it, have highlighted the
28:28
Speaker 2: madness of the local market and has struck a real
28:31
Speaker 2: court on social media.
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Speaker 15: Haven't look Victoria the tax state. That's what actually should
28:37
Speaker 15: be on our number plates. If a developer decides to
28:41
Speaker 15: build a project, they're hit with a contribution fee at tax.
28:46
Speaker 15: If the average mom and dad buy an investment property,
28:50
Speaker 15: they're hit with land tax. If the average person buys
28:54
Speaker 15: a property and it stays vacant because they can't rent it,
28:57
Speaker 15: they're hit with land tax and vacant land tax. If
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Speaker 15: you're going to buy a home, your dream home, the
29:03
Speaker 15: government says, oh, we need some stamp duty, tax, more tax.
29:09
Speaker 2: Dominic sums it up perfectly and joins me in the studio.
29:12
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in, hi, Steve, Thanks for having me.
29:13
Speaker 2: I know why it resonated every time that I would
29:16
Speaker 2: go out socially, people want to run through those real
29:20
Speaker 2: estate taxes and ask me why they're there. Well, we
29:24
Speaker 2: know why they're The government's broke. The government's broke, so
29:27
Speaker 2: they attack real estate. That's right. Are we the worst
29:30
Speaker 2: taxt state in the country when it comes to those
29:32
Speaker 2: we are.
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Speaker 15: The worst tax state, Steve. I travel into state regularly.
29:37
Speaker 15: There's such optimism interstate, and in fact they look at
29:41
Speaker 15: Victoria to peck us like crows. We are taxed to
29:47
Speaker 15: the hilt. I get calls every day from the average
29:50
Speaker 15: mom and dad friends. They're in despair, their stress, they fear.
29:54
Speaker 15: For the first time ever, they suddenly realize these taxes
29:57
Speaker 15: aren't directed towards greedy developers or scrupulous builders. For the
30:01
Speaker 15: first time ever, they're going after mum and Dad's.
30:04
Speaker 12: Well.
30:05
Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember the rustbucket state of the nineties,
30:08
Speaker 2: and I've often compared it. I wasn't going to be
30:11
Speaker 2: unkind enough to suggest you of that people were fleeing
30:15
Speaker 2: Victoria for that very reason that they're being taxed out
30:17
Speaker 2: of existence. I mean, there must be evidence that people
30:20
Speaker 2: are leading this state, or encouraging their children to go
30:23
Speaker 2: and work into state because they know that they're never
30:25
Speaker 2: going to be able to give them the property mark Steve.
30:28
Speaker 2: Their jobs are on the line.
30:29
Speaker 15: If you can't physically build, you can't apply your trade,
30:33
Speaker 15: and there's no hope.
30:35
Speaker 2: They're getting into planes and they're leaving. But it's causing.
30:38
Speaker 15: Distress, it's destroying families, it's breaking the whole fabric of society.
30:43
Speaker 15: They're moving to places they don't want to go. They're
30:45
Speaker 15: leaving home. It isn't just about their affordability of homes,
30:50
Speaker 15: but the whole of Victoria is changing. It's not the
30:53
Speaker 15: Victoria we recognize anymore. It's just fear. You pulled all
30:56
Speaker 15: those taxes together. Is there one or two that you
30:59
Speaker 15: think really stick in people's crew. I mean, from where
31:03
Speaker 15: I stand a lot of my mates, it's land tax.
31:07
Speaker 15: We've always had land tax and developers, mums and dads,
31:09
Speaker 15: they've always accepted it. But this vacant land tax, it's criminal.
31:14
Speaker 15: I mean, once upon going to our national audience, how
31:16
Speaker 15: that works well. At the end of the day, if
31:19
Speaker 15: you aspire to buy a block of land, the government
31:21
Speaker 15: says we're going to regulate your dream. If you don't
31:24
Speaker 15: build within twelve months, they will tax you above land
31:28
Speaker 15: tax for having your land vacant. If you renovate or
31:32
Speaker 15: extend your home, you have a period of time a
31:35
Speaker 15: couple of years. If you don't build or renovate or
31:38
Speaker 15: finish your home, they're going to hit you with a
31:40
Speaker 15: vacant land tax, so that they are now controlling the
31:44
Speaker 15: way we live. If you have a beach house, you
31:46
Speaker 15: better occupied four weeks of the year or we're going
31:48
Speaker 15: to hit you with a vacant land tax. This isn't
31:51
Speaker 15: about housing affordability, it's about revenue raising.
31:56
Speaker 2: I see cranes on the horizon, not presume there is
31:59
Speaker 2: some building going on, But when I look closely at it,
32:02
Speaker 2: what it is is the state government using Victorian taxpayers
32:05
Speaker 2: money to build government housing.
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Speaker 15: But at the end of the day, Steve, the pipeline
32:10
Speaker 15: has stopped. As architects, we know a year, a year
32:14
Speaker 15: in advance, we have work. The phone stopped bringing a
32:17
Speaker 15: year ago. There is no work on the horizon. So
32:21
Speaker 15: we're fearful today, But in twelve months it's going to
32:23
Speaker 15: get scarier. So yeah, I don't even think they're building
32:27
Speaker 15: social housing. I don't see any housing.
32:28
Speaker 2: What's the solution. Do we need a housing summit? I mean,
32:33
Speaker 2: forget about the rest of the country Victoria. Is the
32:36
Speaker 2: government prepared to talk about this or they just so
32:38
Speaker 2: broke that they.
32:40
Speaker 15: Need to keep Oh no, no, they're broke. These taxes
32:43
Speaker 15: are here to stay. In fact, I think they're sitting
32:46
Speaker 15: around trying to work out what other taxes they can employ.
32:50
Speaker 15: For the first time, people realize now they're going after
32:52
Speaker 15: the average moment Dad, So yes, the answer is cut
32:56
Speaker 15: the land tax, cut all taxes to increase supply. But Steve,
33:00
Speaker 15: that's not enough. On the cold face, we need the planning,
33:03
Speaker 15: some planning reforms at local government. We can't get buildings built.
33:07
Speaker 15: You can cut all the taxes you want if we
33:09
Speaker 15: can't build the buildings. It doesn't really matter. I'm sure
33:12
Speaker 15: if you ask the average developer, would you rather pay
33:14
Speaker 15: land tax and have a shorter period of time a council,
33:17
Speaker 15: they'll take that.
33:17
Speaker 2: So why the council is so slow and inefficient?
33:20
Speaker 15: They haven't got no money, no funding. You're ring them
33:23
Speaker 15: up and they don't answer the phones when you get
33:25
Speaker 15: someone they're working part time. When they're working part time,
33:28
Speaker 15: they're working from home, when they're on holidays, no one
33:31
Speaker 15: replaces them. It draws out the whole permit process. Now
33:34
Speaker 15: people think it's just drawn out for developers. But if
33:37
Speaker 15: you want your home built, as many people do, they're
33:40
Speaker 15: saying time. I'm not waiting around three years to have
33:43
Speaker 15: my home built, No thanks, I'll go buy an existing one.
33:46
Speaker 15: And what does that do? It puts pressure on supply.
33:49
Speaker 2: How many TikTok views on your video not.
33:51
Speaker 15: TikTok Instagram where I just hit a million in the
33:54
Speaker 15: last thirty days.
33:55
Speaker 12: I was actually proud. I actually took a screenshot.
33:57
Speaker 15: But look, people are ringing the rest him with what
34:00
Speaker 15: I'm saying. It's real, it is, this is not actually
34:04
Speaker 15: forget it. It's not a land tax, it's an attack
34:06
Speaker 15: on dreams. The dream of owning your home was always
34:10
Speaker 15: something this country allowed all of us. Now it's attacks
34:14
Speaker 15: on your dream. Don't dare to dream, don't dream in
34:16
Speaker 15: this country.
34:17
Speaker 2: Well said Dominic. Thanks for coming in, thanks to the
34:19
Speaker 2: video will get another million, Thanks Matte, Thank you very
34:22
Speaker 2: much for your time, Dominic. Now coming up, I mentioned
34:25
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty would join us tonight. As many of you know,
34:28
Speaker 2: I have for a long time now called out the
34:30
Speaker 2: way our Prime Minister keeps standing in front of three
34:33
Speaker 2: different flags when holding events. Even today, in an announcement
34:37
Speaker 2: that will be shown right around the world. It not
34:38
Speaker 2: only sends, I don't think, an incredibly ambiguous message, but
34:42
Speaker 2: it continues to divide rather than uniteds. What are people
34:45
Speaker 2: overseas thinking when they see that? They'll say, what are
34:47
Speaker 2: those other flags next to the Australian flag. Well, one
34:50
Speaker 2: MP is not afraid to unite us under one flag.
34:53
Speaker 2: Liberal MP Andrew Hasty, ahead of the National Flag Day
34:57
Speaker 2: which is next month, is relaunching his Together under One
35:00
Speaker 2: Flag campaign. Good on him. The Member for Canning has
35:04
Speaker 2: got some bin stickers out. I need to get some
35:06
Speaker 2: for my rubbish bins and please to say the shadow
35:09
Speaker 2: home Affairs Minister joins me. Now, Andrew, good to see
35:11
Speaker 2: you again. Thanks for your time. Where do I get
35:13
Speaker 2: my stickers from a bin?
35:15
Speaker 9: Good evening, Steve, Well, it's great that you're asking. This
35:18
Speaker 9: is really important. Flags have a lot of meaning.
35:20
Speaker 16: They're important symbols and a lot of us were disappointed
35:23
Speaker 16: to see some flags flown over the Harbor Bridge last weekend.
35:26
Speaker 16: We even saw the Australian national flag burned down in Melbourne.
35:29
Speaker 16: So this is an opportunity for Australians to affirm our
35:32
Speaker 16: flag and to show their gratitude for what it means.
35:34
Speaker 16: So that Eunion Jack symbolizes our parliamentary democracy, our rule
35:38
Speaker 16: of law. The Federation Star reminds us that we are
35:42
Speaker 16: one people. We're not just six states, but we are
35:44
Speaker 16: one commonwealth. And finally, the Southern Cross reminds us of
35:47
Speaker 16: how unique our geography is.
35:49
Speaker 9: We have an abundance of.
35:50
Speaker 16: Natural resources and wealth and prosperity, but also we're far
35:54
Speaker 16: from a lot of the strife around the world. And
35:56
Speaker 16: so if people want to support the flag, I can
35:59
Speaker 16: send them a bimstick. They can go online and order
36:02
Speaker 16: that flag. We've put out seven and a half thousand
36:05
Speaker 16: so far since Australia Day. We've done about thirty thousand
36:08
Speaker 16: of the same bumper stickers. Join the movement, get on board,
36:11
Speaker 16: put it on your bin and let people know that
36:13
Speaker 16: you are proud to be in Australian and you have
36:15
Speaker 16: gratitude for what our country is about.
36:19
Speaker 2: When you were serving in the Sas for Australia, putting
36:23
Speaker 2: your life on the line on a daily basis, you
36:26
Speaker 2: would have had the flag on your shoulder on your uniform.
36:29
Speaker 2: How important was that.
36:30
Speaker 16: It's a reminder of who we are as a people
36:32
Speaker 16: and who you represent. When you're sent as a soldier,
36:35
Speaker 16: you're sent with a trust from the Australian people and
36:38
Speaker 16: that flag that's on your shoulder reminds you of what
36:40
Speaker 16: you're fighting for and who you're fighting for. So it's
36:42
Speaker 16: really important. And more than one hundred thousand Australians in
36:45
Speaker 16: the last one hundred plus years have died under this flag.
36:49
Speaker 9: It's very very important.
36:50
Speaker 16: It's the only flag that flies above the Commonwealth Parliament
36:53
Speaker 16: and it's the only flag that is draped over the
36:55
Speaker 16: coffins of our fallen soldiers.
36:57
Speaker 9: So really important. And third of.
36:59
Speaker 16: September next month Australian National Flag Day. Please get on board,
37:04
Speaker 16: order some stickers from my office and we'll get them
37:05
Speaker 16: out to you.
37:08
Speaker 2: So watching the last week, I mean the PM last
37:10
Speaker 2: week had a conference in the PM's courtyard at Canberra
37:14
Speaker 2: announcing the changes to social media policy where children under
37:19
Speaker 2: sixteen are allowed to have accounts. Then today he was
37:22
Speaker 2: there talking about how he's going to recognize Palestine. I
37:26
Speaker 2: raise those two things, Andrew, because they are national, they
37:29
Speaker 2: would be covered internationally, those events would be beamed into
37:32
Speaker 2: places around the world social media, into the United States.
37:35
Speaker 2: And the Palestine decision today right around the world. People
37:39
Speaker 2: will be confused about why there's so many flags behind
37:42
Speaker 2: our own Prime minister. You've got the Australian flag, you
37:44
Speaker 2: got the tourists Straight Island a flag, and you've got
37:46
Speaker 2: the indigenous flag.
37:48
Speaker 9: Well, Stephen, flags mean a lot.
37:51
Speaker 16: They're packed full of meaning and I don't want to
37:54
Speaker 16: diminish anyone's flag. I'm not a fan of Isis flags,
37:57
Speaker 16: of course, or any of those other flags that we've
37:59
Speaker 16: seen flown on our streets over the last few years.
38:03
Speaker 16: But the Australian national flag is the only flag that
38:07
Speaker 16: speaks to all the aspirations of all Australians.
38:09
Speaker 9: It's our national flag. When we win a gold medal
38:11
Speaker 9: at the Olympics, guess what flag goes up the flagpole?
38:14
Speaker 9: The Australian flag.
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Speaker 16: And I think it's really important internationally that we send
38:17
Speaker 16: the right signal. And look, it's been a very disappointing
38:20
Speaker 16: day for many reasons. I think it's a really historic
38:22
Speaker 16: day for the wrong reasons. The Albanezer government has recognized
38:27
Speaker 16: and empowered and rewarded Hamas with their decision to acknowledge
38:32
Speaker 16: a Palestinian state and at the same time diminish an
38:35
Speaker 16: important democratic ally and friend in Israel.
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Speaker 2: I want to play you just a little bit of
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Speaker 2: what he had to say today about I mean, he
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Speaker 2: somehow thinks, you know, mysteriously Hamas is going to disappear
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Speaker 2: by us recognizing Palestine. Have a look at the PM
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Speaker 2: here today.
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Speaker 5: Our government has made it clear that there can be
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Speaker 5: no role for the terrorists of in any future Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: Well, Andrew, I mean, you've fought in Afghanistan against al
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Speaker 2: Qaeda when they were trying to dominate that country and
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Speaker 2: take it over. What is Anthony Albanez you think is
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Speaker 2: going to happen here, that Hamas is suddenly going to disappear.
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Speaker 2: Where are they going to go? I mean, they're not
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Speaker 2: going to go anywhere.
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Speaker 9: I think he's completely naive.
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Speaker 16: He doesn't realize that Hamas actually has widespread support in
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Speaker 16: the West Bank and Gaza. In fact, it's the most
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Speaker 16: popular political faction with the Palestinian people, and poling has
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Speaker 16: shown that polling conducted by the Palestinian authority themselves. And moreover,
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Speaker 16: who's the alternative? It can't be Fatah because they last
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Speaker 16: year in Beijing entered into an agreement with Hamas to
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Speaker 16: form a national unity government once the war in Gaza
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Speaker 16: is resolved. So Hamas is very much part of the
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Speaker 16: near future for the Palestinian people, and it's acceptable that
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Speaker 16: the government has in fact rewarded them, especially after the
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Speaker 16: murderous acts of October seventh. So this is a dark
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Speaker 16: day for our relationship with Israel, and I think it
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Speaker 16: sends the wrong message message to Hamas and other terrorist
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Speaker 16: organizations around the world.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely spot on. Always good to see you, Andrew. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us tonight from the West Andrew Hasty there
40:21
Speaker 2: now coming up after the break, our panel will be
40:23
Speaker 2: with us and tonight, among other things, we'll have another
40:26
Speaker 2: look at that Palestine decision today. Even before the announcement,
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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister was accusing foreign leaders, including Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: of capitulating to public opinion. We'll have a look at
40:37
Speaker 2: that with our panel. Plus rate relief a cut an
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Speaker 2: interest rate cut on the cards, but will it be
40:43
Speaker 2: enough to help struggling homeowners. Well, we just heard there
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Speaker 2: with Dominic that's probably not likely. That's next. Welcome back
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Speaker 2: to Surprise with you Andrew Boll coming up, and of
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Speaker 2: course War Cabinet coming up as well to special by
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Speaker 2: Chris Human. Make sure you have a look at that.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in our panel for today, the Deputy Executive
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Speaker 2: Director of the IPA, Daniel Wilde, a regular on the
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Speaker 2: Critlin program. Plus one Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby.
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Speaker 2: Be great to see you both on a day that
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Speaker 2: has been fairly disturbing really after what the Prime Minister
41:18
Speaker 2: has announced. We heard Andrew Hasty there talk about what
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Speaker 2: a bad decision it was to recognize Palestine and the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian state. I don't even know how you actually go
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Speaker 2: about doing that. I mean, he presumes Hamas is just
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Speaker 2: going to disappear. James, This seems to be just virtue signaling.
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Speaker 2: Giving out a message that we're in lockstep with Canada
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Speaker 2: and France and the others that have recognized at the UK.
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Speaker 2: But it's not going to do one thing for a
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Speaker 2: starving kid in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 13: And I constantly hear the Prime Minister say where a
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Speaker 13: sovereign nation will make decisions of our own, Well, he
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Speaker 13: does seem to be following these other mortar nation leaders
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Speaker 13: from across the globe. Andrew Hasky used a word I
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Speaker 13: was going to use. It is naive. This is a
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Speaker 13: very naive Prime Minister to think that Harmas are simply
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Speaker 13: just going to evaporate and disappear now that they've won
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Speaker 13: the support of Australia. Well not the entire Australia. I
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Speaker 13: might just add the Prime Minister of this country. He's
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Speaker 13: certainly not the majority leader of this country, having had
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Speaker 13: just a thirty five percent victory in the polls. He
42:26
Speaker 13: certainly doesn't speak for the majority of this country. The
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Speaker 13: issue that I see is Hamas still exists. This is
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Speaker 13: a prime minister that files to recognize that just days
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Speaker 13: ago Hamas was still stealing those much needed medical supplies,
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Speaker 13: food water that have been sent into the Gaza strip
42:44
Speaker 13: Hamas have had their tentacles in this country or in
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Speaker 13: Palestine for almost twenty years now they have had control
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Speaker 13: of Gaza. The Prime Minister can say that the PA
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Speaker 13: will take over in Australia, will help rid the area
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Speaker 13: of Hamas, but it just simply will not happen. And
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Speaker 13: to think that he has completely disregarded the fact that
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Speaker 13: he must still have fifty hostages, not just from Israel
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Speaker 13: but other countries as well, half of which I think
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Speaker 13: are deceased. And this is a terrorist group that still
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Speaker 13: won't return the bodies of those deceased. It's appalling, let
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Speaker 13: alone those people who've been kept in inhumane conditions, starving
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Speaker 13: to death and barely alive. I don't ever know whether
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Speaker 13: we'll see those people released. But this is one very
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Speaker 13: naive prime minister that has broken that bipartisan agreement that
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Speaker 13: we had in the Parliament that we wouldn't recognize them
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Speaker 13: until peace had been struck.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, What does it say two things? What does it
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Speaker 2: say to the Jewish population of Australia, who since October seven,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, have seen anti Semitism just explode across
43:56
Speaker 2: the nation. And what does it say about our potential
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Speaker 2: relation relationship with alliance with Israel and the United States.
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Speaker 17: Well, I mean it's going to completely undermine that alliance
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Speaker 17: in a sense to the Jewish population that their concerns
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Speaker 17: aren't the concerns of this government.
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Speaker 2: Steve, And you.
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Speaker 17: Know a couple of points I want to make. I mean,
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Speaker 17: I just don't think the Australian way of life that
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Speaker 17: you and I love and live is going to survive
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Speaker 17: another three years of this. And I'm not just talking
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Speaker 17: about the Palestinian matter, but you know, we've just had
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Speaker 17: the Prime Minister saying that they're going to water down
44:29
Speaker 17: the English speaking requirements for new migrants while they're doubling
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Speaker 17: down on this mass migration program. And we know that
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Speaker 17: the really what this is being driven by is an extremist,
44:40
Speaker 17: intolerant minority in sections of our society that are politically
44:45
Speaker 17: important to labor and get whatever they want. That is
44:48
Speaker 17: what is driving this government's decisions. We are more divided
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Speaker 17: than we have been at any time since World War Two.
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Speaker 17: Yet at the very time that we need to have
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Speaker 17: more unity and to be unified around our shared values,
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Speaker 17: the government is putting the accelerated down on this ancient,
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Speaker 17: unsolvable sectarian conflict that has no business in Australia. If
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Speaker 17: you want to entertain these issues, that's fine, don't do
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Speaker 17: it in Australia. That's not what our country is about.
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Speaker 12: Yet.
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Speaker 17: This is going to go on at least until the
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Speaker 17: twenty twenty eight election, and quite likely well beyond that.
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Speaker 17: And I just don't know if our country is going
45:23
Speaker 17: to be able to survive much more of this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very well, said Daniel James. I mean it
45:30
Speaker 2: appears that the Prime Minister here is signaling to the
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Speaker 2: groups that he believes is going to get him a second,
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Speaker 2: a third term in government. I mean he's talking to
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Speaker 2: the Greens, he's talking to younger Australians who've been brainwashed
45:43
Speaker 2: about death, death to the IDF and Free Palestine. He's
45:49
Speaker 2: playing a dangerous domestic political game and ignoring the Jewish
45:55
Speaker 2: population of Australia who quite genuinely feel threatened.
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Speaker 13: We've got to remember he's only in government because he
46:04
Speaker 13: has the support of the Greens right now and he
46:06
Speaker 13: relies heavily on them in the Senate. I do note
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Speaker 13: that during his press conference, I just want to say
46:12
Speaker 13: that sky App was brilliant today. Steve at pinged in
46:15
Speaker 13: my car and I managed to listen to the whole
46:17
Speaker 13: interview that he gave when he made this announcement. But
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Speaker 13: he did make a spectacular admission today that from the
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Speaker 13: River to the Sea is a death slogan from Hamas.
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Speaker 13: May I just point out to the Prime Minister that
46:33
Speaker 13: that same slogan has been used on the floor of
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Speaker 13: the Parliament in our Senate by one of the Green
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Speaker 13: senators herself, who has used that time and time again.
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Speaker 13: It's not once, it's not twice. The Greens continue to
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Speaker 13: use this Hamas slogan, and yet the Prime Minister is
46:50
Speaker 13: in government with the very same party that are supporting
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Speaker 13: Hamas in this They've legitimized a terrorist organization by making
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Speaker 13: this announcement today.
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Speaker 2: That's what he's done.
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Speaker 13: He's legitimized terrorism by announcing the two state solution before
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Speaker 13: peace could be broken.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, I note that the Treasure of Jim Chalmers might
47:13
Speaker 2: be going to slap a road users tax on electric vehicles.
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Speaker 2: I would love that to happen. I would laugh all
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Speaker 2: the way home tonight if everybody driving one of those
47:22
Speaker 2: ugly teslas or one of those other batteries on wheels
47:26
Speaker 2: suddenly had to put their hand in their pocket and
47:28
Speaker 2: help fix the roads. Those things are much heavier than
47:30
Speaker 2: most of our cars.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you're right, Steve.
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Speaker 17: Look there's not too many taxes I like, but I
47:39
Speaker 17: can certainly get around a tax on electric vehicles. Then
47:41
Speaker 17: I reckon whatever they're going to propose, let's double it.
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Speaker 9: And you know the point.
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Speaker 17: But I also make here, Steve, is you know Australians
47:48
Speaker 17: are being forced really into buying electric vehicles under the
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Speaker 17: mandate of net zero. I mean, you know a lot
47:54
Speaker 17: of electric vehicles have been the beneficiary of government subsidies,
47:58
Speaker 17: and the government was to jack up taxes on internal
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Speaker 17: combustion fuel engined vehicle. So you know, when we talk
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Speaker 17: about net zero, it's not just the energy system, but
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Speaker 17: it's the cars you can drive, the food you can eat,
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Speaker 17: and you know, and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly right, Daniel, Exactly right, Daniel, Daniel James, thank you
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Speaker 2: very much. Andrew bolts up next, and remember war cabinet
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Speaker 2: After Andrew