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Ep. 114: The Hollow · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: predict anything, Yanni? Do you know? Do you remember? How
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  Speaker 1: do we get in our heads that Missouri's turkeys are
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  Speaker 1: the hardest turkeys to hunt in the whole wide uh world?
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  Speaker 1: But partially I don't know all the reasons, but part
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  Speaker 1: of it is because my friends that I guided with
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  Speaker 1: from who are from Missouri. I used to always say that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I started hunting turkeys in Nebraska and started killing
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  Speaker 1: turkeys in Nebraska, and they would say, yeah, but you
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  Speaker 1: really haven't hunted a turkey. Yeah, let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: about these hurricanes down here where we're from. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: that's that's where it started from me. I think that
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  Speaker 1: I haven't hunted Nebraska, but my understanding of it and
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  Speaker 1: the type of turkey that's running around there, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: could see that that might be true, that Missouri's harder
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  Speaker 1: than that. But are you guys to me with the
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  Speaker 1: Missouri's the hard how many states have you hunted turkeys
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  Speaker 1: in Parker A lot? I don't have to add him up,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know that more than a dozen, more
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  Speaker 1: than a dozen brandon how turkeys in half a dozen
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  Speaker 1: or so. But I got a theory on why people
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  Speaker 1: say they're the hardest to kill, and that's because at
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  Speaker 1: the time in our country, when so many game species
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  Speaker 1: were being extra pated, the wild turkey was able to
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  Speaker 1: hold on just in a small amount down here in
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  Speaker 1: southern Missouri and in the Ozarks. And then in the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties when they really started trying to turn things
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  Speaker 1: around with conservation and started their game survey on turkeys,
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  Speaker 1: it was a Starker Leopold that was down here working
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  Speaker 1: on the wild turkey. These turkeys ended up becoming the
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  Speaker 1: basically the stock that was used to not only repopulate
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  Speaker 1: other parts of Missouri, but then Missouri turkeys were taken
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  Speaker 1: to Wisconsin, in Indiana and other Midwestern states. So the
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  Speaker 1: the whole repopulation of the wild turkey across the eastern
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  Speaker 1: United States has a lot to do with these turkeys
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  Speaker 1: that were just unkillable in the other But I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I've heard though the Missouri is not the only
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  Speaker 1: holdout that there were. There were holdouts. I've heard that
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  Speaker 1: about swamps of South Carolina, Alabama, Alabama head holdouts, north
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  Speaker 1: and south North Carolina in the high country, right South
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  Speaker 1: Carolina in the lower country. Yeah, that's certainly, you know true.
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  Speaker 1: Other places there was it was down to nineteen states,
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  Speaker 1: but they had some numbers some some unknown number and
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's not specific. I don't know if it's no
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  Speaker 1: one for sure, but somewhere around that many states and
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  Speaker 1: most of the states now most of these states are
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  Speaker 1: probably southeast, and I feel like that's where you most
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  Speaker 1: commonly here that Yeah, we have the hardest, toughest turkeys.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Southeast. But I'm buying because they couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: been that tough in Michigan because they got them all.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they got them all. And then, yeah, I'll
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  Speaker 1: buy that the toughest turkey because they got the home
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  Speaker 1: field advantage. No one. They just been here, they know it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's rugged, remote rural country. A lot of it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to get into. I mean, it's hard to shoot
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  Speaker 1: him from the roads in some of these places. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta get way back in there, and they find little
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  Speaker 1: pockets where they could hold out. Yeah, how many did
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  Speaker 1: you answer me? How many states you want to turkeys? In?
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  Speaker 1: Half dozen or so? In Montana, South Dakota, New York, Indiana, Missouri, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: You've gotten around fair bit and then uh, Park, you've
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  Speaker 1: hunted him in a boatload of places. And your old
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  Speaker 1: man huntsome hard. He does, he does, and he's actually
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  Speaker 1: got my mom and hunting them hard. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened. But all of a sudden, she's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: she's chasing him. Man. She started, she has she is,
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  Speaker 1: she has the disease. You know, she can call better
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  Speaker 1: than me, and the whole thing. Yeah, she's into it.
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  Speaker 1: And they start in Florida. Yeah, I'll start in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: And then in what time you're hunting in Florida, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Florida in in February, you know, South Florida. The season
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  Speaker 1: comes in. So they started breeding and nesting in February, February,
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  Speaker 1: and it is migrated northward. Yeah, yeah, north and west.
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  Speaker 1: So they'll wind up where by the end of the year,
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  Speaker 1: down in Mexico or what last year, Yeah, Dad ended
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  Speaker 1: up in Mexico. Um this year, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the plan is. I know they're they're in Texas or
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  Speaker 1: they've already been. I don't know. He's got several turkeys
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  Speaker 1: under his under his belt, and I get the get
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  Speaker 1: the pictures. Starting in February, you know, we're still snow here,
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  Speaker 1: and and Dad's already you know, knocking back to spring Turkey.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, now we showed up here the other day.
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  Speaker 1: It was it's kind of like amazing that the difference
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  Speaker 1: from the conditions. I mean, I was full on pulling
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  Speaker 1: my fingers in making fists inside my gloves. Parker got
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  Speaker 1: snowed out opening day. Yeah, and in the northern part
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  Speaker 1: of the state, we had an inch of snow and
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  Speaker 1: twenty five winds and you know, as the the snow
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  Speaker 1: pellets were hitting me in the face, I was questioning
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  Speaker 1: my sanity. But you know, after waiting for a for
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  Speaker 1: a year, man, you can't miss it. And now it's
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  Speaker 1: eighty one degrees. We were stoking the wood stove on
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  Speaker 1: Monday and now we need the air condition er plugged in.
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  Speaker 1: On Wednesday, yeah, we got down here to to we say,
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  Speaker 1: south central Missouri in the old s arcs, that's right,
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  Speaker 1: and got down here and it looked like man. When
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  Speaker 1: we showed up here to hunt, it looked like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I was not feeling optimistic. It looked like just wintertime.
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  Speaker 1: And it did like the trees aren't butted out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's been it's been a just abnormally long winter here.
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  Speaker 1: Our youth season, um typically we see a harvest of
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  Speaker 1: about four thousand birds, and this year we only had
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  Speaker 1: seventeen hundred. It was nineteen degrees on opening morning a
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  Speaker 1: youth season. I had my my daughter out dressed up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like it was a November deer hunt. So
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty horrible conditions and that held
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  Speaker 1: on until opening day, and the weather really broke yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and that really like cat heavy duty into the That's
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  Speaker 1: kind of nice testament to what the weather can do
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  Speaker 1: to you when your turkey hunt. We hunted up a
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  Speaker 1: property that's just a private piece of ground. It's overloaded
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  Speaker 1: with turkeys, and we heard one gobble each day. We
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  Speaker 1: had five youth hunters on the property and nobody killed
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  Speaker 1: a bird. And I would have bet going into it
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  Speaker 1: four out of five, if not five out of five.
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  Speaker 1: They just weren't moving. They were all flocked up still
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  Speaker 1: in their winter flocks, and it was just horrible conditions. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we showed up here the ore night. It was
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  Speaker 1: so cold, and I'm sleeping in a sleeping bag. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just sleeping in mummy bags, sleeping in the old school
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  Speaker 1: or open top. What are they call those things? Those
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  Speaker 1: are Butler bags? No relation, but you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like the type of bags even have a name. It's
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  Speaker 1: like classic sleeping bag, like a rectangular sleeping bag. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Did No, No No matter how thick it is,
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  Speaker 1: you can still feel the breeze coming into the top
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  Speaker 1: of the thing. I know people complain about mummy bags,
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  Speaker 1: but a mummy bag is like a genius invention. You
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  Speaker 1: could you could fit. I'm not to dog. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to dog to have you on your sleep bags.
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  Speaker 1: I like them. I've been sleeping great. But you could stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You could fit ten zero degree mummy bags in that
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  Speaker 1: sleeping bag. Yeah, man, But when you're in a mummy bag,
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  Speaker 1: your shoulders are all constricted. I get it. For backpacking,
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  Speaker 1: it's like I'm snuggling with my wife. Man, It's like
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  Speaker 1: I'm spooning with my wife. But the bag makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel like I am, and so I sleep better. I
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  Speaker 1: just like those kind of bags and yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like taking a breeze in through the top of
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  Speaker 1: my bag. If you come back, I will have a
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  Speaker 1: mummy bag. I don't know, I like that one. It
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  Speaker 1: just I just had hadn't slept in one of those
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  Speaker 1: for so long. I kind of forgot and it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: aware that people were still manufacturing them. But I understand it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just to point out how un turkey like
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't we showed up here because when I hunt turkeys,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see I'm expecting to come up on
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  Speaker 1: little water holes and see little tadpoles in them. The
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  Speaker 1: world coming to life. Yeah, that's part of the majesty
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  Speaker 1: spring turkey season is you're there for the awakening of
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  Speaker 1: all things trees and bushes. Everything's budding out, birds are
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  Speaker 1: building nests the whole. It's like insects are coming up alive.
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  Speaker 1: I think that made the hunting harder, to the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the woods are still so wide open. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Parker and I were in a situation this morning where
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  Speaker 1: we just had nowhere to hide. We don't get ahead
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  Speaker 1: of ourselves too much everybody, I suppose we don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, my dad really really appreciates it when
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  Speaker 1: we do that. For I was gonna get to it,
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  Speaker 1: but since it's important to you to do it now
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  Speaker 1: as the whole dealing cards, we will start with me
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  Speaker 1: and and move this this away. Are you the dealer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the dealer. Well, then we went and start with you.
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  Speaker 1: If we're doing it as we're dealing cards, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point. You'd be shot madly. Brandon, I'm Brandon Butler,
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  Speaker 1: the executive director of the Conservation Federation Missouri. I'm Steve Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a board member of the Conservation Federation of Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, and uh and also, you guys are always
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  Speaker 1: talking business. Yeah, I knew you were involved. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know you were a board member. And uh also a
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  Speaker 1: board member of Missouri Hunters for Fair Chase, organization that's
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  Speaker 1: working on chronic wasting disease topics. Can you guys real
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  Speaker 1: quick spell out long as we're doing the intro stuff, Um,
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  Speaker 1: can you real quick spell out what the Federation does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're Missouri's largest nonprofit conservation organization. We really work on education,
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  Speaker 1: advocacy and through partnerships, we have ninety two affiliated organizations
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  Speaker 1: where the group that can bring together hunters and anglers
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  Speaker 1: with bird watchers and parks enthusiasts. We kinda we bring
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  Speaker 1: everybody together to focus on natural resource policy. Um, A
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  Speaker 1: couple of big issues that we deal with here in
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  Speaker 1: Missouri is we have a unique constitutional authority for our
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  Speaker 1: department Council Ovation, and we work to advocate on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of that, and the dedicated funding that we have through
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  Speaker 1: a few sales taxes, and then any other friend issues
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  Speaker 1: that come up, like chronic wasting disease is a big
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  Speaker 1: one force in the last couple of years. But really
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  Speaker 1: those those kind of key issues of constitutional authority and
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  Speaker 1: dedicated funding for the Department of Conservation. Yeah, I want
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's just let's let's talk about this real
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  Speaker 1: quick right now, because we spend a ton of time
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  Speaker 1: talking about how wildlife work is funded in the US,
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  Speaker 1: and we're always pointing out that most fish and game
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  Speaker 1: agencies draw the bulk of their funding from excise taxes
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  Speaker 1: on guns and ammunition and other sporting goods, equipment, and
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  Speaker 1: sales of licenses, tags, and stamps. So basically, hunters and
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  Speaker 1: anglers fund wildlife conservation at the state level. But Missouri
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  Speaker 1: went in and put in a little itty bitty teeny
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  Speaker 1: sales tax like a what of a penny? It's one
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  Speaker 1: eighth of a cent and it adds up to the
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  Speaker 1: tune of what hundred and twenty million a year. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty incredible, it really is. And people voted this in yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: y six. We also have a secondary sales tax that
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  Speaker 1: supports park, soil and water, and people have to revote
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  Speaker 1: on that every ten years. And in Missouri in the
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen election, in November election, when we
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  Speaker 1: saw our country so divided, we passed that vote to
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  Speaker 1: self impose the sales tax, a one tenth of a
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  Speaker 1: cent sales tax, with eighty point one percent of the vote,
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  Speaker 1: and we passed it in a hundred and fourteen out
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  Speaker 1: of a hundred and fourteen counties. So we got eighty
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  Speaker 1: point one percent of Missourians to agree the self tax
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  Speaker 1: themselves to fund our state parks, healthy soil and clean
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  Speaker 1: water and the other So we know that of people
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  Speaker 1: in Missouri hate mother nature. Yeah, that's not bad. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty so does that? No? Yeah, And he want to
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  Speaker 1: introduce yourself the eagle, the eagle, and then also the
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  Speaker 1: producer and then uh Parker Parker Hall I'm a wildlife
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  Speaker 1: ball just with the U. S. Park of Agriculture. Well,
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  Speaker 1: so you're coming at this, professor, you're coming at this
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  Speaker 1: with your I'm coming at you today as a lonely
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  Speaker 1: defeated Missouri it was our turkey hunter. Okay, So that's
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  Speaker 1: that's your angle. That's my angle. Not speaking as a professional,
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  Speaker 1: just a loser defeat, speaking at a loser who's had
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  Speaker 1: close calls. Defeat. So we get down here to do
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  Speaker 1: this and it's like, and I remember that right we
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  Speaker 1: met up Brandon, I said, do you hear any gobbles?
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't really answer, but you were just like, man,
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  Speaker 1: I was nervous. I mean, I'll be honest, you guys
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  Speaker 1: came a long way to hunt turkeys. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: you're going on some you know, major expedition. So you're
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  Speaker 1: traveling all the way down here to hunt turkeys. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you had a good hunt and
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  Speaker 1: the kind of hunt that I think you guys enjoy
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  Speaker 1: a back country hunt, and show you that even in
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  Speaker 1: the eastern, you know, or midwestern part of the country,
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  Speaker 1: we can find places really rule and remote and and
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  Speaker 1: get miles back in there. But if you can hear
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  Speaker 1: him Goblin. It's not like you can set up on
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  Speaker 1: an egg field and glass form. There's you know, you've
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  Speaker 1: gotta be able to hear him Goblin in these hills
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  Speaker 1: to be able to locate them and go after them.
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  Speaker 1: And they were not talking on Monday. No, it had
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  Speaker 1: everything going against it. Were the stiff wind, so very cold,
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  Speaker 1: a stiff wind, and just like that kind of wintry
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  Speaker 1: nous man like no leaves on the trees, extremely noisy
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  Speaker 1: to walk around. It was different than any season I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen before. And like the turkey is gonna spot
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  Speaker 1: you from a thousand miles away and you can't you
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  Speaker 1: can't sneak up on them because the leaves are so
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  Speaker 1: damned noisy and it's so windy. But then there's no cover,
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  Speaker 1: like like leaves make it like leaves on the trees
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  Speaker 1: makes that you can kind of move around a little
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  Speaker 1: bit without every turkey in the world know when you're there.
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  Speaker 1: But here, man, it's like when they're gonna know you're
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  Speaker 1: coming because it's so loud and too, they're gonna know
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  Speaker 1: you're coming because there's no leaves that we're hunting, just
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  Speaker 1: big oak forests. There's not a lot of undergrowth at
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  Speaker 1: any time a year, but usually there is at least
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  Speaker 1: some some foliage on the saplings, and like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you can blend into that. But yeah, it's wide open
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  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, when we left here, well, first we
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: had to deal with a straight pitbull. Yeah, we had
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  Speaker 1: a we had a dog, a stray dog try to
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  Speaker 1: accompany us and dealt with that. And then we got
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  Speaker 1: out and went up on a big ridge and the
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  Speaker 1: plan was just to go up and listen and make racket.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you, like, like in the spring, we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do, you're trying to find a male turkey what
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  Speaker 1: you call tom or call a gobbler. You're trying to
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  Speaker 1: find a male turkey and make and coax it in
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  Speaker 1: with the sounds of a female turkey. And you're sort
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  Speaker 1: of trying to subvert what normally goes on, as well
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  Speaker 1: as generally understood is generally a tom or a gobbler
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  Speaker 1: goes out and gobbles and hence come to him. What
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to do is switch that around and and
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  Speaker 1: somehow entice him into coming to you. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: ton of reasons he doesn't want to do this. The
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  Speaker 1: first step in this spring hunting is just to find
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  Speaker 1: a gobbler. And you generally find a gobbler by hearing
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  Speaker 1: his gobble. And there are things you can do to
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  Speaker 1: make him gobble. Um. Commonly, before it gets light out,
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  Speaker 1: you do a thing just called they called shock gobbling.
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  Speaker 1: No one knows, Parker, Do you have no idea, No
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  Speaker 1: one knows why. But for whatever reason, it's a real
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  Speaker 1: vulnerability to the species. For whatever reason, in the spring
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  Speaker 1: of the year and other times a year, two gobbler's
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  Speaker 1: gobble at loud sudden noises. I have heard gobbler's gobble. Two.
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  Speaker 1: You guys can add when I get done, or we'll start.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it like this. I will start as the dealer.
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  Speaker 1: I will risk that being shot. I will name a
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  Speaker 1: thing that I've heard of, gobbler gobble too, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: just go around the room until we've exhausted. When you
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  Speaker 1: when you when you tap, when you gotta tap out,
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  Speaker 1: tap out car horns, when you shoot their buddy thunder
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  Speaker 1: car doors, rumble strips on the side of the red yes,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: down down, that's good, um, just simply going Hey, reeled
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: out the woods, who DoLS crows, jake breaks woodpeckers, a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: sonic boom, dogs barking, no one did they yet? No
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: hawk screaming, goose really hawking, Yeah, train horns, redtail hawk.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: The sound that they people who don't know better dub
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: over bald eagles. Like when you're watching something there's a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: bald eagle, they play a noise that's the redtail howk
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, redtail hawk. And I can tell you,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I could. I could take you right now and show
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you the tree hours under when it happened four with
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: their backfiring king. Yeah. Yeah, um, I might be running
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: out man, man, any lot of noise works, but yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I'm tapping out. Do you got more? I'm tapping a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: rumble strip. Rumble strips. Yeah. So stuff like that make
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And I've said his full on this show that uh
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I remember some time Will Primos, the great call maker.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Will Primos was trying to put his finger on why
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Gobbler's gobble to noises and he was He said something
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to the effect of, it's just him saying, this is
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: my time of the year. But I've heard him do
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: other times a year two. So, if you're trying to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: hunt turkeys and you go out in the dark in
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the morning, you go out and just start raising a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: ruckus uh to try to get one to gobble, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: people bring I think like a little bit too much
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: thought to it because we use you know what I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: didn't add. I've used predator calls. So I just take
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: a rabbit squealer predator call and just give it the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: most loud, heinous, sudden squeal that I can out of
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: there because it really carries. But some people would say,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but he'll never come in that direction because
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: he thinks that something is killing a rabbit over there.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So people justly try to shot God, but by making
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: more benign sounds such as crows. Buddy Eric always used
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the peacock call for some reason, which he felt, uh
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: didn't send any message to the turkey because he's never
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: heard of peacock before. Um My preferred one as a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: crow call. Would you guys agree with that? Like it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: bad to be gapping on a Kyle Howler and then
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: trying to call it turkey and that turkey go to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: where Kayo was. I think you're giving him too much credit.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: They have I'm not doing that. They have them. There
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: are those who believe they have amazing instincts and self
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: preservation and census. But I don't think I can credit
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: him with that much smarts. But it just makes sense
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to use a sound that you know they're used to hearing,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: like a crow or like a hood owl. Uh. But
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: when you're up like like not the first morning was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: dead because it's so windy. But when you're there, there's
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: all manner of there's all manner of owls going off
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: up there, and they're not getting gobbles. Well, they do
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: get gobbles when the bird of goblin. Yeah, But then
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I take my crow and I do I do a
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: thing called that. I called that I just yesterday decided
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to dub the Corvett because I take a crow call
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and blow it with the cadence of a pistoe off
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: blue jay and I get I mean, yeah, he can
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: attest I am. I am a very effective getter of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: shot gobbles, better than I am of calling turkeys like
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of I specialize in getting them, specialize and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: get them the shot gobble by just making a very
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: unusual sound. It's so grating that johannest will always want
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to ask for time to get away from you before
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I do it that kind of noise. It worked yesterday.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It just gets him to gobble. Yeah, it's we go
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: up in the squealing, asked Wind to go do this
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and nothing happens. Yeah, the first morning, run off the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: pit bull, go up the hill. Nothing. You made a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: joke that it was like Rachel Carlson's Silent Spring, like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the Silent Spring happening. It was, it was. It was depressing.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I've been planning this for a few months
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: with you, and I'm thinking, you know, we'll go up
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to this spot where I always hear bird's gobble from
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and we'll deploy in teams and you guys will go
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: after this bird goblin, will go after this bird goblin.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And there was nothing. I had nothing, so we went. Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I was even thinking bad thoughts about you, like this
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: guy don't know. This is the most god forsake and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Ridge I remember. Yeah, we walked a long way and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you and I never heard of bird gobble that whole day.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: You can hunt till one for turkeys. Yes, yes, I've
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: got a quit hunting deer in the middle of day, right, No,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it's just a turkey thing. Yeah, and there's a there's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a group of us. In fact, the Federation passed a
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: resolution in favor of extending it all day. We've talked
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to the biologist. We see no scientific data, no scientific
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: reason not to let it go all day. The fact
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: of the matter is it is. It's a it's a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: divided issue between really the old timers and the new
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: turkey hunters. And what's the reasoning behind it. Well, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: really don't know. Scientifically, yes, scientifically, there's no reasoning behind it. Well,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: in the early days of wild turkey research, the theory
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: was but of the biologists that the birds needed to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: break to make sure they could get to the roost
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that they wanted to without being disturbed, and that they
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: needed that that quiet time to be more successful at mating.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And and it was a you know, a logical idea
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: just turned out to not be true. But by then
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it was already an established tradition, So I can see that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I mean the part about I mean, I kind of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: understand the roost part, But I don't think that these
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: birds have like here only they have like a lot
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of roost fidelity. I think they pretty freely move around
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: roost wherever the hell they want to roost. One thing
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I don't like about it, I mean, not just for
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: me personally and people that like the turkey hunt. But
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you know, kids in school, you know, you get out
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of school at three o'clock in the afternoon, a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of a lot of guys want to go turkey hunt,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: doing the evening turkey hunt, and they can't. So it
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: really hinders getting youths out turkey hunting. Yeah, how's that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: even talking about? Why were oh? Because you yeah, you
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: can't say that hunted all day, hunted till one huntil
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: one all day in Missouri. Turkey terms in Missouri, Turkey
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: terms on all day. But meanwhile, meanwhile Yanni was having
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: an entirely different experience. Yes, much different from probably most
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: folks in Missouri that morning. I don't know, there's probably
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a few other folks that got got what I got,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but uh, maybe in some corner of the state where
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: was a little bit warmer and the wind wasn't blowing.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you want me tell my turkey story? Um,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: we we all we took four wheelers up to the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: spot and stopped and then Brandon was like, all right,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: we can go here here He's giving us all the options,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and Steve and I've never set foot there, so I'm like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you make the call. So you guys decided to go
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: on down the ridge, and you'd kind of pointed me
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: towards two different ridges that I should work and be
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: listening off of. So I went down one and quickly
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: ran into some private property, and so I decided I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be foxing around the edge all morning,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: so I just turned around. It's like tens of thousands
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of acres of Yeah, I could just go the other direction,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: walk from miles, which is how I like it usually.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so I literally just went over one
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: ridge and started walking down a uh what you described
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: as a knife ridge. You know it's at times. Steve
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was actually common. Team were back on it today and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: how it's almost like man made feeling because it's so
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: steep on either side. It's it's like the Romans made
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of ridge. Did you come up with a real name
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: for yet? I called the hour glass when you look
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: at the top of map, looks like hour glass. But
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: now I'm gonna start calling the levy. It's like a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: man made ridge, like super steep pitch. And then someone
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: came in and grated off the top. Yeah, you wouldn't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: want to walk down at drunk at night. You fall
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: off that thing. It's a long way to the bottom,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: but it's like it almost has like a It's like
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you're walking on a levee. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna dig
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in there. Bet. It's it's all people don't realize. But
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's like this, uh, it's like this archaeological wonder of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the world that people didn't realize. But anyhow, Mayans used
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to be turkey hunting. Ah, yeah, I don't get but
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards down that ridge and in the wind,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I can just here what might sound like a gobbler,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And so I go a little bit that feeling for
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a minute, like people might be thinking one during What
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: do you mean it might be a gobbler? Oh it's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, you just the sound is is because that's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: all you're trying at that point. You're not even trying
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to look for a turkey, You're just trying to hear one,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and so your brain is in that mode the same way.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It's uh in that mode sometimes when you've been glassing
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: for hours and you're you're like, oh no, it wasn't dear.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you're just like looking through the woods all
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: day long, and you start to just make up deer sightings, Well,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the same thing happens in the morning listening for gobblers.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, maybe maybe could have been, and especially
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in the wind, because you know, there's all kinds of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: noise carrying, and uh so, basically it's just very very
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: faint in your double if you're listening for will be
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that all of a sudden you'll be with a buddy
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and you both turned to each other because you so
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: desperately want to have what you think you might have
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: heard verified, And each person has the same feeling. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: so in the woods you find you often like are
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: whipping your head around to look at whoever you're with
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to be like, did he hear that? Because I can't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: tell if I did. Yeah, And then usually what happens
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: after that if they both heard it, one guy points
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: to the north and they got points to the southeast.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But so eventually it turns out that it is indeed
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a Turkey goblin, and he's goblin. As I get closer,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I can hear that he's goblin quite often, and that's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: probably every I don't know, points five to ten seconds,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and that's what we call hammering, not quite what i'd
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: call choking, But he was what they call hammering there
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: at the next level. No, that's as good as dudes
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: in Georgia to start shooting. And uh, yeah, I could
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: tell he was on the ridge across from me. I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: could tell he's below me in elevation, and uh, not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: knowing the country real well, I mean he was on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the ridge where you guys could locked eyeballs. He was
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: like you were on opposing slope, opposing slopes that that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: met in the bottom. Yes, So I decided just to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: bail off the ridge and just take my time and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: work towards the sound that he's making, and uh, just hopefully.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And the woods are so open that at points I
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: could see the other ridge, I could see the ground
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: cover on the other ridge, and I was just crossing
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: my fingers that I wasn't gonna get busted walking down
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this big, fairly open hillside. So I get to the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: bottom and I figured sometimes when I got towards the bottom,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he must have flew down around seven am, and um,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard him for five minutes or so, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so I hooted and he answered, and he hadn't moved
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: too far, maybe just down to his ridge a little bit,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just because on a morning like that, they're gonna stay
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: in the tree longer. Yeah, possibly, I mean I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: he came down around seven, is my guess, you know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I mean he could have been on the ground longer
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and was just and just kept gobbling. Now I know
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that he was by himself. Would you guys agree that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: bird when it's cold and nasty, they stay in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: trees longer. I agree sometimes they do. For sure, rainy,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: nasty days, I think they stay in the tree longer.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get uh yeah, sure. And you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: guys have both hunted out West and here, do you
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: guys get a feeling that the these birds stay in
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the tree longer? And say, Miriam's I don't have extensive
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that I could comment to that.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm the same way. I think. One
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: thing that is different than out West though, is, and
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: we were talking about this a little bit, is they
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: don't always roost in the same areas here. You know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: just because they roosted in that drainage yesterday, they could
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: be you know, quite a ways away. And it seems
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like out west, there's um it's more common for him
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to show up in the same places. So yeah, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: would I would say a more common, but not like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: fixed you know where I think that it's yeah, it
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: feels like more kind of like that. There's like certain
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: spots they like and like year in, year out. As
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: long as something doesn't happen to that little local population,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they'll kind of like to use that spot. But when
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you bump them, man, it's not either're gonna they don't.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think they feel forced to come back there
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: that night. It's like a bell curve. I mean that's
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: generally true. But I've got a farm in northern Missouri
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: and there is one area there always, I mean of
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the time, there's gonna be at least two gobbler's roosted
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: exactly in that same spot every night, the same. Yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're leaning on it at night, well
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't bump them that hard, but but
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it's just a it's a guaranteed place. Now, I don't
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: know that I've ever seen that before other than that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: one location. So it's it's not common. But if they
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: find the thing that does everything they want, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll have some level of faithfulness to that location.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: And out west where they don't have many choices A
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: lot of times, you know you could we'll find it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah in areas which is not a lot of trees. Alright,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: so young there are there. I was. I crossed the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: bottom the little it was a dry creek bed, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I climbed up maybe ten yards or so, and uh,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm all kind of a big it's been an oak.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Uh maybe another twenty yards ahead. I'm thinking it would
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: be a nice spot to get to because I could
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: just start to see kind of up on this the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: ridge it kind of benched out where he was. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: was thinking I could just start to peek my nose
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: up and see on the ridge if I got to there,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and uh, all my way up there, he gobbles once
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: on his own. I'm like, sweet, right, you know, so
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like that's a good sign. Yeah, yeah, it's nice when
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you get a courtesy gobble. That's what I like to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: call those. And you don't have to ask him for
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: it with a hood all or it's trike your call.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He's just like, hey over here, yeah, And uh so
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I make it to that tree and I think he
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: actually hammered again, and uh and when I when when
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I heard him. Then I was like, okay, I just
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: should just sit down, like I don't need to go
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: any farther. This is this is something you and I
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: have talked about that there's like a turkey goes from
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: being real far a turkey's gobble goes from being kind
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: of like you can't really get a grasp of it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It's kind of far away in some sort of abstract sense,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and then you cross like a thin You crossed like
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a thin plane, and all of a sudden, like he's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: right on top of you, do you know, I mean
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: like you pass into a moment when you are suddenly
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like in his area. It's just the gobble just sounds
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: so different. You could be sitting there listening to a
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: gobbling like I quite know where he is, and take
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: like a depth and also you'd be like, not, I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: know exactly where he is. More. It's like that they
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: become at some distance, they become like you. You hear
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that you hear more quality to the sound than you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: otherwise do. Yeah, It's like at one point it's just
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: kind of like a blur of a gobbl sound, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: then you get just a little bit closer and all
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you can hear every little uh part
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of that gobble as it kind of breaks, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it's like something it's like an image coming into focus.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then all of a sudden, your your
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: ears can triangulate and go, yeah, he's over there, roughly
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards away, you know, and uh yes, So
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I sat down and uh, I got my head net
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: on and uh put a diaphragm in and uh I
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: gave him I don't know, five or seven not it's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: pretty soft, and it got no response. You know, it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: calling behind my hand, trying to throw my call a
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: little bit because it was a perfect spot because he
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: had to come to about probably sixty to eat even
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: see where I was, and then there was a role
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: between he and I, and then right behind me I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: had another little little spot. So you can imagine when
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he came over looking, even if he didn't see a hand,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: there's spots with that HND that was calling to him,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: could have been right. So I felt I felt confident
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: in this spot, and um so he didn't answer. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: waited a little bit and then I just up my
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: volume a little bit and just gave him three, three
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: or four louder notes. Yeah, yeah, and he uh he
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: he just jumped right over it. And um and you
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: told me that at that point you could hear his feathers. Yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I could hear his feathers kind of shake a little
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: bit as he gobbled um. So you know at that point, yeah,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know se yards And it didn't take long,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: maybe a couple of minutes, and I could see his
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: head coming and he came right to that edgeway it was,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and I could see the whole body out of range
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and there he hung up for a little ways. But
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: from that range, I already see a blue and white head.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been I
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was taught that when you see a blue and white head,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: he's kind of in love and you kind of you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you're the deck is stacked in your favor at that point, right,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: much better than seeing a redhead. Oh yeah, man, yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And uh were you hearing him? You know at that point,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: at that point, he hadn't um strutted, end, I hadn't
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: heard him drum er spit. But uh so he's still
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: there for like a minute or so, it seemed like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: five is probably a minute, and uh then you just
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: started working towards me, and that's when it started. So
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: he went into full strut, did some drama and spitting.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He leaves strut a couple of STI you got a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: nice spit drum, can you do it for us? I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like this far from right, and man, it is a sound.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, but it's a sound that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you have to tell yourself that you're hearing it. I mean,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: when he's right on top of you're sure, you're like
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: everybody can hear it, but your ears hearing better because
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: there's been a number of times you've heard him drumming
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: when I can't hear him drumming, Like it's like it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a decibel or something that yeah, between somehow between your
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: age and my age goes away. Well, it's like those
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: suiti grouse, you know that we chased around and I've
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: got um dusky grouse in my yard Montana, and I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: can get five fam maybe more like seven or eight
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: feet from this dusky grouse, and I can hear him.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: You can see his yellow patches vibrating as he does this.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: You can hold your phone out and record a video
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and play it back at full volume, and the microphone
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: on the phone cannot pick it up. It's a ghost sound. Yeah,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. People that film ghosts and whatnot reports similar problems. Yeah,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: so that's what a turkey, Um the drumming is because
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: really at a distance, you rarely actually hear the spit
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: right you more here the yeah you know that and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that can work again, that can work the other way
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to sitting there for hours and going what is he drummond? Here?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And drummond? I think I hear drummond? Which way is that?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Is it behind me? Is it on top of me?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's super hard to course, you know. It's just
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: like it's all encompassing. When it's close to all around you,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's a neat sound. You feel it more
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: than here. And what he's doing is taking his wings
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and like beat his wings on his body. And they'll
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: go out and beat their wings on the ground and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: wear off their primaries. Is that the primary? Yeah? Yeah,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: like a turkey in the spring, you'll wear the ends
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: off them. Yeah. It would be a nice straight line. Um. Yes,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: so I got the show. That's what you know. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: call it. Man. He gobbled maybe three or four times
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: as he came in and you know, went in and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: out of strut the same thing three or four or
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: five times, and uh, it wasn't very long, and the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing happened in five minute. I killed him at
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: seven fifteen, so I kind of had a window once
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: at maybe thirty five yards. And at the time, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: was like very confident because I'm like, yeah, look at
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that blue and white head. And then as soon as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: he gets into some thick shit again and behind the tree,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you dumbass, You're dumbass. You should have shot
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: because that it seems like I had seen him before.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: They get behind that tree, and you're thinking he's gonna
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: just pop out the other side at thirty and instead
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the next time he pops out, he's at sixty again,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, he decided to go away from you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: But anyways, this time it worked just how you want,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and he pops out and he came to twenty yards
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: or so, and at that moment, I was sitting against
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the tree. We're just blind calling. I'll sit in there,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: chatter my teeth against a tree and also bouch and
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Yanni shot that pit bull because there was
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: like no other reason that I could imagine that he
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: would be shooting his gun off. I'm like, either Yanna
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: got shot by the guy down the landowner guy, or
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the pit bull attacked him and he had to defend
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: himself from the pit ball. And I was kind of magic, like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: what's sort of you know, investigation like how does one
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: when you shoot a dog? And self defense? Like what happens?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You know? Nothing? I think in that case, you just
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: let him lay. So we we proceeded to wander all around,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: but we ended up right there. Happened to Yeah, So
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: we made a plan to meet Joannie at ten, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: we just made a big long loop heading for that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: spot because in previous years it's a really good spot.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And we ended up down there and we had to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: split in time to meet him at ten. When we
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: got up there, I'll tell you it was pretty redeeming.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: When you had that bird and we're doing a thing
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: called blind like because we're not hearing anything and it's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: not it's just so windy. Then you're kind of like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna give up on the whole idea
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna hear gobbler. And we would just go
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to likely areas little bottoms where you're kind of out
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of the wind. You can get out of the wind
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: down the little bottoms, hollers, hollows and um just call
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: give it twenty minutes because that can work. That can work.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: They come in silent a lot. Yeah, you'll lay down,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: And the thing is you gotta get like real comfortable
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: because you don't know what direction they're gonna come from.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And you can't be fidgeting around because you could be
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: he could be behind you. Never make a noise and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you fige it around, he's gonna leave and you never
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: knew he was there. So what if I'm doing that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, I like to try to get where
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I'm almost like and I don't even think it's a
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: bad thing to fall asleep for a minute blind calling,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: because you want to be that comfortable and just call
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: every whatever ten minutes. Last year blind calling, I woke up.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I woke up to see a turkey coming. You know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you get that kind of fitful sleep and I was like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: oh my god, redhead coming through the coming through the brush,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and heat that bird came in never made
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: a peep. Yeah, so uh yeah that was in Wisconsin
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: last year. So yeah, we're blind called and then really
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: nothing happened. That was the end of the day. We
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: went out that night and tried to do what's called
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: roost in them, which is now and then like turkey
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: gobbling just gets generally throughout the day, it just gets worse.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Like in the world, calls per second just drop to
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: where by about ten in the morning unless it's really
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: good's not many calls. Six in the mornings, all kinds
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of calls, and it just gets like worse and worse
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and worse and worse and worse. But in some locales
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you'll have a spike at night where there's something about
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: them going back to the roost. Do you understand us
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: at all from a from a never they never talked
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: about this in school, No, I'm sure they did. I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention towards night. As they're going back to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: their roost for whatever reason, they sometimes will gobble some more,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and then they like to Oftentimes they like to gobble
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: once they get up in the roost. You know a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: lot of times they'll the turkeyo gobble and of course
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the hands come to him like you explained before, and
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: they'll do their thing. They'll kind of hang out and
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: breed and knock around together, and you know on up
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: in the morning, the hands will go off and kind
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: of do their own thing, you know, and they're starting
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to look for a place to nest or wanting to
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: feed or whatever. And and often times they leave the gobbler.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: And so sometimes there's there's a spike or you can
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: at them to a gobble midday. Then again in the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: afternoon when they're starting to gather back up, the hands
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: are kind of backing around. He's feeling his oats again.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: You know, he may he may get a gobbler too.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, oftentimes it's a shock gobble that that
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: happens at night as supposed to them just goblin. They
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: do some. But you go out and try to shock
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: gobblm um, I think you get more responsores than them
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: just naturally gobbling, gobbling a whole lot. Maybe the hunting miriams,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, the people don't really accept the
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: idea of subspecies of turkeys, but like it's like varieties
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: of turkeys, right, there's there's five now what was to say,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: there's five subspecies of turkeys in in in the US. Um,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the mirrors is a very vocal one. We used to
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: drive around sometimes hunting mirrors. We would drive around from
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: spot spot spot on on logging roads or whatever and stop,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: turn the car off, honk to horn to find out
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: where you're gonna in the morning. But we didn't. We
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: haven't heard. No one in our group has heard a
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: turkey gobble passed I think nine am on this trip,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: going out two nights in a row, spreading all out
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: across the ridges, blowing crow calls, kyo, yips, screech, owls,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: what the hell kind of owl? Bart owl? Not peep,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: crickets not even Yeah, I didn't try a cricket call,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you mean like crickets, like silence. So then
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden we wake up the next morning
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and you just knew there's gonna be goblin. Yeah, because
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the weather switched. Yeah, we're brushing our teeth in the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: driveway and uh heard one gobble in the distance the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: wind no wind. Yeah, oh you hoot owl are called
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I'll call that him, and that's what at him. Yeah,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you're stepped out of the porch of your cabin. What
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: do you call this thing? Tripped with acres? But when
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you call it a cabin, yeah, so what i'd go
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: into my blank. I told my wife, it's a cabin.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: It got a little big for cabin status. So what
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: do you say you're going to when you go here
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the cabin? We say our shack. Yeah, because my wife
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: says it does it's not a cabin. That's that's called
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a shack. Yeah. Yanni had his electric toothbrush going. We
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: had to turn that off and then we could because
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it was, like you said, I thought I heard one
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: turned toothbrush off. Did it again? Your toothbrush was impeding
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the ability to listen to gobbles. It was. That's the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: only good argument I've ever heard against letcher toothbrushes. But
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: so at the back up, we met up with Yanni
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and we tried all these different spots and I even
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: took you down on a gravel bar and I know
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you guys are thinking, there's no way there's that's the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: day we cut that track. Yeah, so that was like
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the highlight of our day. We closed out our day
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: on a track. Do We just were like, well, here's
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: a track that's right, and we just sat and called
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the track. I even took a picture of the track
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: so we'd have some semblance of a trophy from the day.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, from the driveway at who dialed and it
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: went and uh Parker and I deployed and they ended
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: up being four gobblers, probably three gobblers in a jake,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and uh Parker called one across the river. Talking about
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that for a minute, Well, I think with turkey hunting,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you're either a hero or zero. It's like you're never
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: there's no like mid grade turkey guys. You know, it's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: not like, well I saw, I could have shot a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: couple of gobblers, but he wasn't nice and I had
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a great experience. But like you try as hard as
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you can every time, or I do when I'm turkey hunting. So, uh,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we got on this turkey. They were goblin goblin acrossing
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: hundreds of yards away, right, Well, we slipped up on
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: them and we got I don't know, across the river
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and we were just on the other side of the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: river from them. Yeah, they were up they're up on
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a bluff and we're down on the gravel bar. But
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: they're not hundreds of yards away the other side of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the river, the other side of the river above us.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Worst case scenario. If you're thinking about turkey hunting, you
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: want to get you know the same level or above them,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: preferably the same side of the river. You know, those
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: types of things. Um, so everything working against us. I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: think we're just so happy to hear Turkey's goblin um
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that it didn't matter. You know, we were right after him,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: so um yeah, they got fired up and they were
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: in the roost and we called at him a little
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: bit and we got one sure enough. You know, I
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: thought he wanted to play ball, and you know, we
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: kind of brandon and I kind of shut up quick calling,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, man, things zings across the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: river and lands roost tree left his buddies behind. Arms are, yeah,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the whole it's on a gravel bar just came sailing. Man.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: It was beautiful. You could see his big beard. I said,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: here he comes, yeah, here he calls that like yeah,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: here he comes coming in to take a pass shot
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: like geese. Yeah. So he sailed in human and he
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: landed on a gravel bar. Made me think that like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: either there's something wrong with him or it was the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: most masterful, beautiful bit of calling. Something's wrong with the turkey,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: trust me, because like I just don't think of him
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: being like I'm gonna fly out of this tree, cross
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the river and land on some rocks. He did, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: then he probably landed eighty to a hundred yards down
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: from us, worked right up and there's a lot of
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: little scrub brush down there, and we were tucked into
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: some small cedars, and there's another one about twenty yards away,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and he just took up shop right there on the
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: other side of that seedar. So I mean, how far
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: thirty yard? No more than thirty year, I would say,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: twe And he's just drumming and drumming goblin, and it's
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: going on for it's going on for twenty minutes. Yeah,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's like it just
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: it was NonStop action for twenty minutes and then it stopped.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: And the whole time, I'm thinking, Uh, Brandon and I
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: were when the turkey sailed across the river. H I said,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: turn and face him, Turn and face him. So we
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: were set apart from each other, so we're the way
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: we're sitting against the trees, were kind of facing each other, right,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And so the turkeys behind me at this point just
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: tomahawk goblin all of me, you know, and drum you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Brandon and I'm like, I'm just
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: like shoot him, man, you know, what are we doing here?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was right behind the bush. But I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: never saw him that whole time, never caught a glimpse
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: of them that whole time. Yeah, it's so exciting. So
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: then he goes silent, and then he made it to
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: this field, which is private property that we can't hunt on.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So he's got to be in the low water on
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: the gravel bar and are in the high water area
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of the gravel bar. So he gets into this field
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: and then he starts gobbling again, and man, it was beautiful.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: He's full strut. Every time he gobbles. You can see
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: his breath coming out. Detail. Man, man, it was beautiful.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: If I was a painter, I would paint a turkey
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: gobblin with his breath coming out as So at that point,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: he's probably sixty yards away and ten yards onto private
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking he's just gonna split across that field.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: But there's one lane like runs back down. It's like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: whoever that landowner is, It's there, like lane to get
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: down to the river, but it's cutting onto public land.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And when he got to that lane, I said, give
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: it to him, and Parker hit him, and he turned
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: and came He went down this swelle, yeah, him with
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: a call, and he turned and came back. And now
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: he's back in the game, goes down this swale, and
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I didn't see him cut through the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: woods the first time. So I'm thinking he must have
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: cut through that swale, and now he's gonna take that
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: same route back to the gravel bar and end up
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: behind that bush again. But this time he made a
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: fatal mistake of going up on top of the lip
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: of that swale. And that was the end of it.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: From my perspective, Like I said, we were facing each
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: other right um, and so I could I was watching
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: the hunt through the perspective of watching Brandon and him,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: uh seeing the turkey, and I can see him looking
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, slight movements of his head
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: and his eyes and yeah, and he's going, he's going,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: He's coming, He's gonna come. And I see him his
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: his breath starts getting faster, you know, you know the
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: excitement of the turkey when he realized as he's coming,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: and he disappears behind the swell, like you said, and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you see mild panic said into his into his face,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: just like, oh no, oh no, I don't see him now.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: And as soon as he comes up out of the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: swell he's talking about with that white head, I see
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: as his eyes get big and then, you know, cheek
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: down on the stock. And that was it. When you
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: when you when you hold because you're shooting a skull,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: which I've never done. I was just shooting elevated a
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: beading though, tell you call it like a vented rib.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: He's basically looked down the damn barrel, right, But I've
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: always been tempted with um messing around with various apparati
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: even though I don't have you know, I don't know.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I don't take long shots or something, cause I've never
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I've never whipped a shot at one. But when when
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: you're aiming at where are you holding on him? Right
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: at the base of his neck? There's a cross hair
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: and there, and I hold right on the base of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: his neck. And you know, I was on the media
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: hunt and out with Dakota and one of the sponsors
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: had those scopes, and I had that gun for many years,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and I, you know, had to put it on there
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to appease the people paying for the trip. I've never
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: taken it off in seven or eight years. It just
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: works for me. Um. I've got one of those red
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: dots on my daughter's turkey gun and she likes it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: But I mean when I shot that bird, I panicked
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: for a second because I didn't see anything. And when
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: when I finally realized, it just it never even flopped.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: It just went down that you know. Normally when you
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: shoot one, they flop around, and I couldn't see it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just where to go. And then
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I looked and there it laid kind of on the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: back side of the base of the neck. Like were
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: you saying where there's feathers start or lower than that,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: because see I I aim were like the head and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the neck joint at that's just below the skull. You're
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: probably sailing some pellets over the top of his head.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of depending on how far away for the
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: pace of the neck, about where the feathers start. That's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: where I put the crosshairs. And I know, you know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: my I got a real tight choke and at thirty
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: yards it's about the size of a skillet, you know,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: And if I put it there, I'm not gonna miss him.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Probably not gonna put too many low, and it seems
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: to work when they're far out. I'll aim a little
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: higher just because the drop. But I kind of, you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm hold I hold because I've
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: had a lot of guys say that, like dudes that
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: miss turkeys are shooting over the top of them because
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: they're even for the head. Yeah, and they got a
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: tight pattern. It just feels people feel that if you
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: were low, he'd be dead because you got him the neck,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: or you at least would have fluffed him. So I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: kind of hold down a little ways. Remember like some
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: some Turkey guy saying that the holds on the wattles,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it was low on the neck. So I started kind
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: of doing that kind of isn't the wattles and where
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the base's neck, that's not the same down at the
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: where the feathers start feather. Yeah, they kind of hang
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a little. They kind of hang like a beer belly.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: What about over that waistline of his feathers. Yeah, Well,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: now that I was telling you, I put a new
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: bead on my gun, and the beads a little bit
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: taller than the beat I hat on there. And so
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: if you understand how that works, and you're aiming, it
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: causes you to put the the higher bead causes you
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to uh. If you bring that beat down, it caused
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you to shoot a little bit lower and so um.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would just aim halfway between his wattles
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and his head. But I mean at thirty yards. I
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: don't know that if I'm really getting that precise. But
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the one thing I just make sure of is that
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I can see his head over my site. I don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: ever cover up his head doing it. I'm not thinking
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: about how when I'm trying to do shot placement, shooting
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like a big game animal, I'm not like doing that level.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: But I am thinking. When I have the thought, I
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: am thinking, don't shoot over his head. And I especially
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: get nervou about it when they're super close, because then
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you gotta patterned size of a baseball. It's gotta be on. Yeah, Rose,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: he's gonna run off. That's not what you're out there for.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: But meanwhile, while this whole gravel bar flying out miracle
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: turkey thing is going on, we go out, we go
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: back up and early remember how y honest staying he
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: didn't want to go down and flirt with this private
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: property boundary. We get back up in that area and
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: sure enough bird gobbling down on that zone. And we
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to do that because then we feel he's
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: gonna pitch out of his roost land on the other
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: side of the painted trees, and then you just gotta
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: sit there, right, We're gonna sit there, not very confident
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: in our miracle calling abilities and whether he will we
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: call him across the kind of stuff. Man, I hate
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So we just like, never mind
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: that turkey, but grudgingly, yeah, continued on down the ridge.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Go down the ridge here another turkey and kind of
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like stay a little bit like maybe, but he's very
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: far off where it's like hard to even begin thinking
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: about how you're gonna go about it. So we're kind
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: of like, maybe then go little ways and look down
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: into this kind of little hell hole, and then we're like,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that's our turkey. There's several of them, but one of
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: them is like, that's the turkey. So we start nosing
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: down into the holler. Is it a cultural appropriation for
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: me to say holler? It works? So it's not horrible, Okay, Um,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I'd like to be sensitive to that kind of stuff.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Because I can switch to holloway. Uh, We've been calling
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: creek beds, work our way down to work our way
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: down towards the creek bed, and pretty soon we get
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: where we enter into that we crossed that plane where
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like in his zone and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: we get set up and I'm thinking, damn it, we
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: got too close. Get set up and call and call
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: up a hand who comes up just basically bitching at us,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: like they get it does seem like that. I hope
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: one of you guys can enlighten me. But yeah, she
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: just comes in there. I thought it was like it
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: was like a happy putt, but now I'm thinking it's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: just she's just clucking. But she I guess she's just
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: clucking and looking and trying to make that connection. They
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: got a thing they do. They got a thing they
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: do where it varies, but like when you're calling a gubbler,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: like he's kind of coming at a handle come up
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and kind of cut these half circles around you far
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: out like she you know, where they don't. They don't
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: come barreling in. They're very like what's going on? What's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: going on? They tend to be like very vocal. We
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: had the same thing this morning. Yeah, but I don't
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: think we ever saw the whole body of that hand.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: She got to where she could look up onto the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: bench that we had sat up on a little bench
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: ridge and looked at look. Look, look, look, walked back
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: and forth a little bit. We could see her head
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: and neck, and then she just went back over to this,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: you know, swale a little bit and shut up. Yeah,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: point to the point. Yeah. So she she's all piste
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: and goes and dips off the side of the hill.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I just want you can only shoot bearded You're supposed
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: to shoot males. But the way they define it as
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: you know, a bearded turkey because they have a weird
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: beard feather coming out of her chest. Uh. She goes off.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: We kind of forget about her, and a while later
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: we realized that the gobbler we were calling to it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: drifted off in the other direction as they're wanting to do,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and we're staying up to go chase him, and she
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: takes off flying from that same spot. So she was
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: all piste, went back out of sight and then just
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: decided to mellow out and hang out. Chase. We chase
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: that gobbler and kind of set up on him, chase him,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: set up on him. And then you hear off to
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the right, we hear a hand calling it ain't a hen.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Off to the left, I hear owl hooting at getting
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a little late in the morning. There's other people are
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: getting other people are growing aware of our holler right
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: like people are like, there's a holler that has a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: lot of goblin emanating from it, and people are zero.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Other dudes, there's zero. That's like public land hunting man.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Other dudes are zeroing in on this thing. Yanni. I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: didn't hear this, Yanni. Here's two car doors and he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: thinks that those guys left. Yeah, I feel like the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: dudes that are left took off. But the right. As
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: we're working this turkey, can hear this guy on the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: right yep yep, yep, yep, yep, yeap. Like coming down
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: and the closest we get to the gobbler post roost,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: we get clothes for down in the bottom. It looks beautiful.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Put out a decoy. He hammers like probably the closest
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: gobble we got. I'm very excited. And then he gobbles
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: again and he's the same spot. I'm more excited that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: he gobbles again and just get that sinking feeling where
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: it's just like unmistakably he's farther away now, which is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: like usually what happens in turkey hunting. And I think
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: he gobbled again. It's like, damn it, that was farther
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: away for sure. And then about not very far away. No,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I think I heard the turkey flop. It was that close,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: you know. But jumped out of my skin. And that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: dude that coming on from the right just out turkey
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: hunted us, out hunted us. Wasn't his first trip to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the holler? Yeah he might, Yeah, he might have been
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: in there knowing that those turkeys like to leave there
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: going up that branch or whatever. Yeah, And then we
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: wanted all over Holy Helm. Then prece was one o'clock
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and we came home. So meanwhile we did a tour.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Parker and I regroup after bringing my bird back to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: the cabin, and we hear one goblin in the same
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: holler where Yanni killed his bird. Then we go up
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: to the we go up to the meeting spot or
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the calling location, and we thought you guys had deployed
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: down after that bird. Im like I used that term deployed.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: We stayed out of there like wandered over made his
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: way over. We were on a mission. So we deployed
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: down into that, deployed into the hollers. He tells me
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: when to deploy. But what a difference a day makes.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: All of my spots redeemed themselves. All the ridges, I said,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: would have birds on them, head birds on them, and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: all the holler's had birds, even killed one off the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: gravel bar. So it's unbelievable how they turned on overnight,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: because like in that like they're gonna breed, and like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: in understanding all these cycles in the natural world, like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: fish spawning and all that, there's sort of like a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: photo there'll be a photo period window, right, there's like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: a length of day that is appropriate, and that window
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: depending on what thing we're talking about, what natural phenomenon
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, Um, that photo period window, that length
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of day window could be wider, skinny. But within that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: there's all the other all the variables which kind of
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: turn it on and turn it off. Right Like you think,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: like steelhead are gonna spawn, Um, it's gonna happen, like
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: never happens before this date, never happens later in that day.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: But within that window of time, there's myriad things that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: need to occur, water level, water temperature, all this kind
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and it's gonna happen. They're gonna pick their moments.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And it's like funny with these turkeys that on Monday
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: it seems to be well, except for Yannis, it just
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: seems to be they're not doing that. Today. The next
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: day that slight change, warmer, no air, and they're just
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: back to it. And I think yesterday was better than today,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: even though the conditions today were almost the same as yesterday.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: It's like they were just shocked into getting going and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: today they settled back down a little bit. They gobbled early,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: but they stopped earlier today too. So then yesterday, did
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you guys work more birds? We definitely went for a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: long walk. We we had several minor setbacks yesterday, to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: say the least. I don't know if we ever worked
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a bird. We chased a couple others. I don't know that.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever worked in another way.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I had to find working a bird where you're in
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the game. We we never got back in the game.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: An amazing thing, amazing thing that happened yesterday, though, we
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: jumped a covey of a quail on the public land
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: way in the back, and that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: not in the old days. In the old days, that's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: what people did down I mean, we have so much
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: work going on on quail restoration, but in this part
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: of the country especially, I had no idea that this
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: was a quail country. It's really not. And that was
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: historically it was. Yeah, when you had more small farms
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: or what. I really don't know what the change has
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: been over. I mean, I think you could be really
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: rich if you figured out what the problem is. I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: walk around out there, the last thing on my min
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: would be that I'll jump a quil. I jumped quil.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: To take me a minute to realize it was a quail,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: because I'd be so not expecting it to happen, really surprised.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: We were deep in the force. It was on a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: power line where we jumped in some brush and there
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: was it looked like the right slot if we were
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: fifty or sixty miles north of here. But it was cool,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: really cool for sure. How many quail were in the covey?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: What do you think park of ten, yeah, ten of tilve.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: It was a nice little covey. Let me tell you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: quail story real quick. Let's see. Let's here's quail spitting
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: drop many many years ago, um, fourteen or fifteen years ago.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend at the time was friends with someone who
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: was a private chef on a yacht. And this friend
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: says to my girlfriend at the time, Hey, do you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: guys want a bag of quail cleaned up quail? And
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: uh she said, sure, she goes. You know who gave
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: me this quail? George H. W. Bush. M the owner
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: of the yachts friends with George h. W. Bush, And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: he came out on the yacht and brought a sack
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: of quail that he had shot. So I was like, well,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I was pretty interesting. So I saved him for a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: long time. I think I'd save him for some kind
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: of special occastion. When I did bust him out, not
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: one of these quail had not a pellet in any
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: of these quail ahead shot. No, here's what someone told.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Someone told me at these high flute and quail places,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: they're raising them in pens anyway. And he said, when
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you go to these high flute and quail shooting facilities.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: You go out and shoot quail, but then they're all
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: shot up and the dog has been chewing on them.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Who wants to eat that? Right? The thinking goes So
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: when you leave, they just go into the pen and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: get you fifteen nice new ones that aren't molested by shot.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: And that's what you bring home that I have. No.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I had never backed up or verified any of this,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: but this is just what was told to me. Do
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: you know who Ray Scott is the bass master? No?
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Remember when bass fishing tournaments started? You know who Ray
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Scott from Michigan? You ever heard of Kevin Van Dan
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: He's our next Parker. You gotta know who Ray Scott
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: is the bass master? Well States yet Alabama? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: he started, He basically started professional bass fishing tournaments. But
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I went down and stayed with him one time and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: I got to my room and it had a plaque
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: on the bed that said President George H. W. Bush
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: slept here. So that's my George Bush story. He don't
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: need a lot of those bass I'm not guessing. I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: don't think. So we got a body. He's a bass
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: he's a recreation what do you call like amateur tournament
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: bass guy? Caught. Lord knows how many bass in his life.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: One day I'm talking to him in his whole life,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he'd never eat. We served him his first bass ever,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: a tournament fisherman, certain his first bass ever. He liked it.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Did not want his wife to find out about it,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: because she'd be wondered what in the world he's been
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: out there doing all this time. We have a small
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: mouth sandwich tastes that we have to call bass out
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: of our pond. If you don't take so many little
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: ones out, the big thing they get stunted, grows because
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: the ponds on't even support so many ounces of fish,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna take the form of larger big So
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: we we a lot of large mouth bass. So back
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: to Turkey on. That's my story about h W bush Uh.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Someday I'm gonna work up I'd like to work up
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: a real good punchline for it, which might take some time.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: But so you guys wrap her up. One o'clock. Done deal.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Mm hm. This morning, step out on the porch. Presumably
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the eagle was not brushing, because yeah, we got we
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: got wet. Yeah, I took Jones out on the on
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the porch this time he's a he's a world champion
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: hood al collar. That wasn't impress ripping out your owl? Sure,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I won't make this thing melt if I do. I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: think you might do is maybe well what do you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: think just just just take your mic away from your face? Yeah? Perfect,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: rip out an owl hoot? Oh my goodness, the end?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: How did you work that out practice? Can you just
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: do the end for me again? Yeah? That's nice, man,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: It's like you swallow the owl um. So I put
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: him to work on the on the porch this morning,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: and I was hoping that those other three would be back,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: and at least two of them were, and he got
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: them fired up from the porch. And this time Parker
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and I got on the right side of the river
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: and I'll let him take it from there. We got
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: on the right side of the river, slipped in there
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: still on the roost um. Right as in right versus wrong,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: not left and right. No, he's got it right both ways.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: He means right proper. But he was on river right
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: both got it you know, like just a quick thing
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: for listeners. River. When you say river right, river left,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: it's from the perspective of someone looking downstream, so you
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: could be facing upstream and when you say river right,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: it's on your left, correct, like you're floating down the stream. Yeah,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: the river right, the correct side, which happened to be
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: that used had to be part of my safety speech
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: every day when you're fishing. So the proper side of
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: the river, which happened to be river right. Correct. We
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: slept up under the cover of darkness. Um, selected two trees.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Tried to get a tree that's wider than a back
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: to break up. Mind. I do, I do think about that,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: um a lot. I know some fellers that have a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: hard time finding a tree. Yeah, on the Redwoods. We
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: found one today. Um, well, I found one. Brandons was.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I'll get to that later. This is a little a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: little skinnier than we liked it. He blames me. I
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: blame him for this what happened. I blame the turke. Yeah.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: At any rate, they're goblin goblin nice and you know
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: they they're goblins so much that I'm trying to pick
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: him out of the tree. We're we're within a hundred yards,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I think, and you know, I'm looking looking, I can
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: hear him. He's goblin, goblin, goblin, goblin, And you know
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: we're calling just a little bit back to him, um,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: some soft yelps and any rate, we we kind of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: put the call down and then we're to standoff. You know,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: he's wanting a gobble and I'm not saying anything. Well,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: then I see him pitch out when he pitches out
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: to me, and it's the same thing again, yeah right
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: to us, right, so, uh, the same thing Yan is
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: talking about Yesterday's two little little swells. Right, So he
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: pitches down behind he's two swells over, which is maybe
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: maybe seventy eight yards and goblin drum and spitting the
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: whole thing. This turkey was going and I had my
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: gun on my knee, and I hear the turkey and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: every once in a while can see the tips of
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: us of his tail fan just over the top. You know,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: it's a done deal. I'm thinking about coming back and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: get something Mr Steve's coffee. The turkey comes in kind
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: of follows this finger down right. I can just see
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: glimpses and pieces of him. He turns around the swell
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: and I say, well, if he gets around that and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: comes starts breaking towards me, it's over. I got him.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: He's committed. He did that. He broke around, took about
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: ten steps, and at this point he's maybe fifty five
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: or sixty yards coming on a on a string, turned sideways.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I see his head yards waiting for inside forty. I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: like to shoot him closer to than further. Um. I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: know some of the new loads these days, but you know,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: when I started turkey hunting, it was the twenty gage
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: with the two and three quarter inch six, you know.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So we'll let him come on in. So I like
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: him inside forty, I really do. It was too far
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: from me. Some guys, maybe I don't. I don't like
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: the cripple turkeys or anything, but turkeys. I couldn't. I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: like him to get close. So the turkey's coming. He
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: turned sideways. His head's just bright white. He kind of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: comes out of strut, sticks his head straight up in
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the air. All the color leaves his head. He turns
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: around and fast walks away. No doubt in my mind,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: he saw us. He walked around the corner, he saw us,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: and he split and that was that. I think he said, Man,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna check by that big tree. No, dude, he
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: saw Brandon back there moving around. I'm telling you, I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: was in the almost asleep mode. I was not moving around. Yeah,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: so that was it. That was it for me today.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: And then I wanted all over the hole. We wanted
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: all over Holy hell. Yeah. And the wind picked up today,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: which was a little more frustrating it did. That was
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: annoying me, man, Yeah, that was annoying. Yeah. It kind
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: of makes it harder to keep going at that eleven
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: o'clock hour, Like you could barely hear him if he
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: was gobbling at you. So here you are, turkeyless, come
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: to the end of your side. It's over. It's over. Uh.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: We got out the turkey in the one spot was
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: not there, in the in the borderland the border turkey
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: was not there. Went down to the to the Roman
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the dour glass, the Roman Ridge, descended the Roman Ridge,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: and we'd already picked up a gobble by this point. No,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: we had to descend quite a ways until finally, and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think we shocked him. We're we're kind of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: walking in and just maybe stopped, and all of a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: sudden we heard us a double gobble, two birds over
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the top of each other. So I wanted to start
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: his goblem before he finish this gobble, his buddy gobble
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: over him, which is cool. And then people like to
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: talk about a double gobble, which is different. Double guy
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: was just a turkey that goes. But these guys were
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: gobbling over. When you go to doug During's farm on
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: a good day, you'll get the whole ridge where it's
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: like someone running their fingers down the piano. But on
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: the whole damn riche a bird on one end of
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: the ridge, old gobble and it just the gobbles just
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: traveled down the ridge. That's fun. We weren't in that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: kind of situation and set up and right away repeat
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: from yesterday, called up a hand, come up, make an
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: all manner of noises. Um did she yelp? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think she actually every yelped the second the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: second one did a little bit doing a kiki out
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: we we we But that's not a key? Is that
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a French kiki? Do you have a name for that?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: When it wasn't like she's doing like a right she yeh,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: that's not that's not but that's not what I'm talking about.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: She was doing this, am I not? Am I right
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: or wrong? Yeah? You're right, she heard not that I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: am I call I do it? Yeah, but no that's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: too much like a pigeon. It's just a content clucking,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: purring noise. You' she caught? She she caught lots of cuts, clucked,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: didn't yell, did not she she caught? She did she
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: that's not a cut. Boys the premost boys call that
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: sound that we heard. They call it woo woo because
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: it's just like she's going, Oh, that's what they call that. Yeah.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: But it's like, because the key I'm doing the kiki,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the KICKI is like a louder, longer kind of noise.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: It's like a hurt It's like a hurting noise I'll
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: make to their pulse. Yeah. So she clucked, cut, purred,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: and whood, which I think is interesting. It's all in
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: that same content. Interesting part about it. Here's the interesting
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: part about it. I like there's a there's there's the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: way turkey's sound mm hmm. Sometimes oftentimes you'll hear you'll
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: see a real turkey doing a sequence of notes over
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: a period of time that no turkey caller that I
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: hang out with replicates. If I sat down in the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: woods with a guy and clugged his six minutes, he
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: sat there just making racket like just piling on noise
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: upon noise, NonStop. I would be after while I would
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: like hit them on the shoulder. But here's a real
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: live turkey just go into town. Not only just going
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to town. She just tromping through the woods too, walking
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: and calling it cutting like a big arc just raising
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: holy hell. And then not long after there was those
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: hands we couldn't see in the bottom, just raising hell.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, if you wanted to really sound like turkeys,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: you get six seven guys just to go sit out
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: in the woods and start just doing crazy stuff with
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: turkey calls. It's kind of what it sounds like down there,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, But the difference is they're doing all that
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: and it makes sense to them. If you sit down
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: and start making like sequences of strange sounds, lord knows
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: what message you're setting. I think that that's part of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: being like a little bit judicious, is because um, they're
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: feeling something that might not match up with what you're
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: laying down, Like they're in kind of a little fight,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: right or whatever, and it just means it makes sense
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: to them that they're doing You don't know why they're
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: doing it, but then um, try to work our way
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: down spook a couple of turkeys. Here's a weird thing.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I think Yann even knows where they are, and I
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: think they're farther away. And we're arguing about this on
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: and off, and eventually it proves that Yannie was correct
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: because here they jump, they spook and fly off, which
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: is a bad sign. I it's a real bad sign.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: We thought it was the end of our morning hunt.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: And I do a kind of like a very like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: having like three scoops of ice cream and all three
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: of them is falling off your cone in the man. Yeah,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: and I do kind of a physical expression of you know,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: like it was like you're a little paler than you were,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Like you're like that bird that uh Parker was working. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of in your head. My head went from blue
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: to red. So it was just like the right and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Yeah, he just does like a check
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, dude. We do an elk hin
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: all the time, because especially the bull might have just
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: been over the ridge. He spook half of his cows.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: He just hear his hoose running and so all saying
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: you go give him the super sexy and like thrash
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: around like someone else is chasing one of his cows.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: And that's something bitch, you know. Oh yeah, then he's
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: just like coming to see what all the fuss is about.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, because it's thing in animals, man, It's like
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: some animals, um hold more. Some animals in a group
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: people pay attention to, and some animals in a group
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: people don't pay attention to, because you could have it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: be that you're like putting the move on something and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: one will spot you and get nervous and you lost.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: The other ones don't pay any attention to that one.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: He hasn't proven his value. Um other ones. There's an
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: animal that gets nervous and everyone gets nervous. Like when
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: that animal gets nervous, everyone gets nervous. They did this
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: thing with I can't remember verbets their monkey verbet monkeys.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: What is it? Verbet monkeys? I'm not sure. How do
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: you can remember the name of this monkey? They went
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: into these researchers went into this group of monkeys and
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: made an audio recording of one of the monkeys in
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: the troop. They made an auto recording of his warning
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: call and started playing all of his war started playing
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: his warning call to the troop all time, and he
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: lost the street read they made it that when he
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: made his legit morning, when he made when he did
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: do his legit warning, everyone was like, whatever, never cried wolf.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: He cries wolf lost credit, So it could be something
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: like that. Whatever it is, Yanni all of a sudden
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: yelps again and yeah, right from the same. But they
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: were agitated and edgy, and we hit the dirt, and
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I thought it was all over because here he comes
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: kind of not like the blue redhead, yeah not instrud,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: not intrud, and a hand striding hand so close to him,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: her heads out over his tail, and he comes around
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: this open hillside, and there's a number of things that
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I think might have happened. My guess is he gets
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: where he can see and looks on this very open
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: hillside and he says to himself, I don't care what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing. There's not a hand. That's two mugs laying
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: in the dirt out of hand. I don't think he
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: saw us, probably not. I just think he looked and
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: he's like, I didn't get to be this old bye,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: which is twenty four months. Probably I didn't get this
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: old by doing this. But here's the deal, Yanni screwed
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: me out of that turkey because it was a yelp
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: from a diaphragm call that got him to gobble and
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: got him coming. And he gets there and he gets
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: out of you, Yanni, and I'm watching him and he
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: gets where he can see the hill, and he started
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: getting bored and turned around and like why is he
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: not calling? Why is he not calling? Turned out he
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: couldn't see that. He thought turkey was just coming, and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: it was all over, Like why call now and mess up?
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: You know, everything's already set in motion, Like why do anything? Yeah,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: because I've I've had experiences, not many, but I've had
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: experiences where it's a direct line of sight with the
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: turkey and I didn't have the control to not call anymore.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I just maybe one to hear him gobble again or whatever.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: And I called and that turkey stopped and was like
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I can see exactly the blade of grass that that
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: call came from, and I do not see a HND.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: So usually if I made contact and I see him coming,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I'm shutting down because like why mess is a good thing?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Like why I draw extra attention unless you're like a ventriloquist,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: why I would be like, oh, by the way this
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: tree right here by this shotgun. Yeah, so he drifts off, okay,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: because there's a part of this I failed up to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the left is not an owl. I'm like really really,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: and you know that's so it's like you're working a bird,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: but you're also aware of like the coming trouble because
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: this bird's goblin. So you know that somebody can hear
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: this bird gobblin. He probably thinks that he just discovered whatever,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: no idea what he's walking in on. Probably nicest guy
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: in the world. But pretty soon the who who switches
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: the yippy yipp yep and he's just coming hard. Man.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: It's like this guy's jogging jogging. We never see him,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: you just hear him, like he's running down into this
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: and the turkeys started to move off and he's behind him,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: and for a minute, we I'm feeling, hey man, we
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: found this. We would here since four got light out,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: we're here since daybreak. It's not your holler. So he's
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: moving along and the turkeys are not moving and he's
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: moving behind him, and we think we're gonna game him
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: and maybe get out ahead of him. But then we're
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: just like racing over turkeys and yeah, the turkey's went
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: to his side of the holler, and so we went
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: wander around. Found some turkey tracks, found like where a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: turkey had dusted a little bit or some such. Stamped
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: up and winged up an area. Found a little pig track,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: found a bigger pig track. Wandered around a bunch more
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: uh eight a snack, made a whole bunch of really
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: loud locating type calls. Hoping started feeling sorry for myself.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Come down, oh man, it was getting late in the day.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: I was I was having uh sympathy. Come down to holler,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: hit a creek and start working our way up. Oh
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: found a nightcrawler, tore it up with little pieces and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: threw it in the river to watch creek chubs feed
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: on it. Um, get down to a creek and you're
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: honest and you're both common. Like, man's look good down
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: here in the main the lusciest place we've been in
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the last three main stem creek, lots of sunlight, very lush,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: and we start working our way along. Had kind of
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: like done, you gotta quit noon, you gotta quit it one.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: And we got a long walk and all of a sudden,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I look and like here is abedded down turkey not
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: but ten or twelve feet away in a blowdown when
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: a hen like a couple of things, when a hen's like,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, nesting, and she actually once she gets all
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: of her eggs and there she's gonna incubate him. I
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: throw up my shotgun and I'm aiming down the shock
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: and I had to sing on the ground, and Yanna says, hen,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: but I I've also seen turkey's laid down to hide,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: and you've seen this park one. The one time I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: saw it, we were coming down a canyon in New
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Mexico and come around a corner and caught a turkey
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: out in the middle of a field. And the turkey
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: laid down flat on the ground and stretched his neck
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: out and just laid down. You got and then got
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: nervous and broke Yeah. We he I think he thought
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: he had been just slicking up and he had this appeared,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, behind her eyes. And because we I mean
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: we were you know, a tight little cannon kanyon and
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: it had just you know, broken up, and it's like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the first time you could look left and look down
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: the opening. All you see is a turkey head and
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: you know, descending and you could see him laying his
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: neck out. Remember seconds before that we found where a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: mountain lion and killed a turkey. Yeah. Um, so he
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: betted that he just laid down the hide. That's the
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: only I didn't know. I didn't know that was the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: thing that could happen until that day. So I throw
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: my shotgun up. Yanni says it's a hand and I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: said something like, I'm just checking making sure it's not
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: a jake. I don't know, because I thought, like a jake,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: he's young, he doesn't even know what's going on. Maybe
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: he would think it's a good idea to lay down,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it jumps up and it's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: a crippled turkey. Yeah, a crippled gobbler, a crippled long
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: beer who can't he's trying to take flight, but he
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: can't take flight. So blouched him to a little effect.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: He went off through. I tore off after him, running short,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: shocked my shotgun, pulled the trigger, nothing happened, did a
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: regular full long stroke on my shotgun, ran more and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: caught up to himuntain the woods and shot him and
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: get up there, and he had he had been injured.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: His wing was suffered to injury, and we did a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: do you say knee crops here? We did a knee
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: cropsy on him to no avail. Shattered. The main joint
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: in his wing is shattered, like he got hit by
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: a twenty two. He got hit by a truck. What
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: did you make of the leg? Later? And I want
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: to ask you this, all his back leg was all bruised.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Was he running full steam or was he gimped up?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Show that promise? He was trying to take flight, so
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: he didn't run off like a normal turkey would run.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: He was trying to take light. So he's beating his
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: wings to no effect. So he was like putting all
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: this energy to trying to get airborne. He wasn't running
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: with his wings tucked. She couldn't tell about the leg
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: at that point because it was a real man. It
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: was not like a graceful departure on his part. Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: And plus I mean you got a shot on him
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: in him within seconds of him getting going. So yeah,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: and it's noon. You don't hunt at one. It's my
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: last day. So one there's sort of like this idea
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: that a lot of guys that they found like a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: mortally wounded animal they're gonna kill it anyway, which I've done.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm thinking, here's my turkey as well, and he's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: obviously messed up. So we go there. But he's not
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: emaciated and the wound wasn't an old wound. He I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, he got shot by another turkey hunter. That's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the most plausible explanation. Um, but I don't know. Man,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: that windows awful broken up. Who knows anything could have happened. Anything,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: There's a infinite number of things that could happen. But no,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: he's mine. Yep. Now he's going to Seattle, head to
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: the fryar longer schnitzelham cooking in a pan. So I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: got two turkey breast flays in one leg. Coming home
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: like good deal though here. Now, at first I didn't
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: feel like I got a turkey. But you know, all
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: the details get in life, like the details get hazy.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I just got a turkey,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Like like when I get home to be like, hey,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: how's missouris you get a burn on me? Oh yeah already?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Like at first I was, you know, we pull up
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: and like did you get one? I like, wow, I'm
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: not really, you know, kind of asterisk next to this one,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: but then that like does three hours later? Yeah, yeah
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: I got one. Yeah, checks check Missouri off the list.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: In case you're wondering, I still feel like I didn't
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: get one. Yeah, you didn't know that that much. As
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: clear as that you did not get But if you
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: didn't asked me on Monday at about ten o'clock, if
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: we were gonna go three for four, oh, I already
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: had it all put together. People are gonna be like, hey,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: how'd you guys dealing with serious and be like, bro,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: the weather, weather, You've never seen such horrible weather. I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: was gonna say that all before I said no, we
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: didn't get any. But now and they'll be like, how
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: that you know that birdie got down Missouri? How far
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: was that shot? I'll be like, oh, it was close,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: called him in. It was closed those close. He kind
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: of turned. He kind of turned right before I got him.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: He drumming and spitting. No, he's doing like came in solid. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: never peep out of him. No, Yeah, I got a turkey,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely no doubt in my mind about that. Hey, listen,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: have we not been just out wandering the woods until
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: one pm? That wouldn't have happened. So the the hard
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: work of that paid off. To keep walking through the woods.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: If you're just walking around like looking for nightcrawlers, keep
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: walking in the woods. And then we came home and
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: had um came back here and uh Steve Hugh lay
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: out the many for us. What we had for lunch, Well,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: we had some venice and chili and uh some of
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Brandon's Uh what kind of catfish was that? It was flathead?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: But it was donated by Mark flash Polar. All Right, dude,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: if I had a name flash Polar, I would fish
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: a lot more. And I already fish a lot. He's uh,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: I'd shortened it the flash Pole waterfall biologist. Flathead cats
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: man unbelievably good. But I love them so much. But
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: like growing up, we'd catch a big flathead and we
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: didn't know to trim the fat off. My it's guys,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: that stuff tastes bad. Yeah, catfish fat is not good.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Why is that? We don't know? Man, it's but it's not.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: It's horrible. Yeah, we made the mistake. When was that
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: last fall? Maybe we're doing some uh cooking for television,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: No cook, we're shooting recipes for the cook pot. Is
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: that when we had that, I thought we had that. Yeah,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: we didn't have any. We were doing a fried catfish thing,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: but we had to buy a piece cast. So someone
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: went and bought a big slab of catfish, and we're
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: you know, nobody even thought twice to think about trimming
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: it more. Obviously it would have just been trimmed fine
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: and godly, it is nasty, nasty, nasty the fat. Yeah,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: that's why I like the little channels we catch because
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: little I mean, you can trim it, but I mean
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: the little channels don't get the fat on him. You
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: call those fiddlers. I know that people do calm fidders,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: but no, we call them little dinkers. Call them fiddlers
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: around here. Yeah, I know, whole fries and fiddlers just
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: skin them back. We flame them because we fiddlers, I
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, Kevin Murphy says, because they fiddle with your bait.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a good, that's a good. Yeah, that might
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: be it. But yeah, you can just pull back the
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: skin and and front, you know, take the head off
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: and fry him. Hoole. We flayed dinkers because putting them
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: on sandwiches, poll boys with pickles, whole you type roll
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: bag at whatever frr catfish make up like a like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: a like a you know, tartar type sauce. Then you
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: put red hot on them, pickles on them, let us
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: on them. Basically like the kind of sandwich is Aris
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: Feedy in Florida with grouper, but we just make them
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: with kind of similar, different bun. But the flathoad was
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: good Man, and the chili was like real chili. It
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't like Midwest mom chili. It was from scratch. It's it.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I love that stuff because I love Midwest mom chill.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, right, I don't know.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: You take the ground up deer meat and put it
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: canned tomato products in there, and then you put pinto
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: beans in there. Yeah, I like it. I like the
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: venice and cut more chunky than than ground and using
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: real chilies instead of chili powder, and uh in adobo yep,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Chipotle's and adobo. We're in there, and uh I love it.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: I have to have another bowl before I leave. I
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: like the fried guy like fried catfish, Man Friday, any
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: kind of fish because of my upbringing. But in the South,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: you guys eat a lot of that. You guys come, no,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: you say this is not the South. No, this isn't
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: the South, saying I thought it was the Midwest. And
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: you guys say this isn't the Midwest. From we're at
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: where I'm from, you'd be like, yeah, it's a little south.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: It's technically the Midwest. There's twelve states in the Midwest.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Missouri's the southwest corner the Midwest. I will say the
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Missouri is in the University of missouris now in the SEC,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: the Southeastern Conference. So when I'm running around in the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Hollard town, when I'm down in the Holler, I am
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: a hard time believing that I'm in the Midwest. It's
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: a good argument, especially talking to Parker. If I was
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: down in the holler with Parker, we're in the South,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: but the the frigid, cold North. That's all I have
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: to say about Turkey hunting. Action packed. And I like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: the way you set it up with the shitty first day. Yeah,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: I was gonna remark on that, man, that's what you know,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: because looking back on it, yeah, it's just the way
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: to have it. If you set it up the other way,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: that had been horrible. I did my best to have
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: a screaming good first day, then have a shitty last day.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: It would be a bummer. It's unbelievable. What what a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: difference it made though overnight, just one day difference it was.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: It was the way turkey hunting is supposed to be.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I actually thought, maybe I'll find a mushroom. You know,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: this time of year, we're supposed to be waking up
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: with a sweatshirt on end in the day, with shorts
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: and sandals on, going out mushroom hunting and crappie fishing.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: You know, the trifecta of the Missouri spring is the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: wild turkey, the wild mushroom, and crappy filets. And uh,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: none of those have been happening until yesterday. No, And
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: if you come back a week from now, you won't
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: even recognize the place will be all leaved out. Well,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: it started to change. Yeah, in the last two days.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: The leaves started budding. Yeah, things are popping up out
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: of the ground. His friend was saying, how this time
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: you can sit in the woods and almost watch the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: leaves grow. I feel like that happened on the days today,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: you guys, I'm glad you got to see a little
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: bit of the red buds. That's such a beautiful tree,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: and they grow here and these in these hills and mountains.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: And I know it's hard for you guys to look
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: at these and column mountains, but no, no, I went
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, so the red buds were starting to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: pop a little bit. But like Steve said, a week
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: from now when those white dogwoods are in bloom and
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: they're mixed in with those red buds which are really
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: more of a purple color, and turkeys are goblin, croppies
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: are biting, the mushrooms are popping. I mean, it's just
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: the best. There's a good variety trees here, man, it
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: really is. We got like the cedar, which is the
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: non native short leaf pine, a lot of oak, hackberry,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of hickory, hickory sass I know, it's a
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: bunch of sassafras trees today. Back at the turn of
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: the century, the largest sawmill, not this New century, but
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, the largest sawmill in the world was
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: only you know, a couple of counties over from here.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: For the ozarks were pretty much logged bare twice before
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: protection started. Um And now we have incredible canopy and
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: there's much more management of the forest proper for for
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: tree harvest rather than just taking it all and fell
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: swoop right. I think originally the short leaf pine was
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: more dominant than the oaks, but the oaks came back
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: after the There's still a lot of those short leaf
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: pines around. When I'm looking to set up, I'm always
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: We're always like, let's go ahead of those pines. We're
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: setting up to a turkey. It's always like you're like Marker.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: You know, I've got a little stand of them. It's
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: my favorite place on the property. Yeah, we're wondering to
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: the Ozarks. Is there a place in the Ozarks where
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: the relief becomes more severe than what we see here? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I mean the oz are stretched, you know, down into Arkansas,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: over into a little portion of Oklahoma. And I would
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: say the most dramatic kind of mountainscape is down in Arkansas,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: the watch Atas and But do they get taller or
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: just steeper? I can't really speak to the elevation, I'm
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: not sure, but just the vastness of the entire range.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: The tallest the tallest point in Missouri there was a
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: little ways north of here, so they're kind of scattered out. Um,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: what is the highest point in Missouri. It's right by
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Johnson shut into what's it's tom Sack Mountain, tom Sack Mountain,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: which is a heart of the pig country. Yeah. I
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: don't know how idea Yeah, easy to find out, uh, Brandon.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Final thoughts closers, concluders. Just never give up on tomorrow.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Never give up on tomorrow. Never give up. There could
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: always be a crippled up Turkey land. You will never
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: see that again in your life, No, I really won't. Yeah,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: it was it was a great time. Glad you guys
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: came down and um, I'm glad the turkey hunt worked
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: out the way it did. It was tough the first
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: day and we redeemed ourselves. All worked out in the end. Steve.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: That's it you, Brandon. I'm good, Steve. I just it
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: was kind of strange being in turkey camp and not hunting.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: I've never done that before. But I was saving up
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: for going up to my farm this weekend, and it
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: was just fun to be with you guys. And you
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: have a place you'd like to hunt, right, were you
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: to kill a turkey here, you couldn't hunt your favorite
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: place to hunt, right, And my wife would have said, well,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: we don't have to go up since you already got
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: a bird, and I know she really really wants to
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: go up, so I didn't. I didn't want to get
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: into that situation. So so you just cooked wild game.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: I cooked wild game, and I know right what tree
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: my turkey is gonna be in. So yeah, although he
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: embarrassed me last year, I'm gonna get even this year.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Good final. Uh, we appreciate the cooking. That was good.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: We a lot of good food, a lot of Suvie
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: cooking this week cranbrule. Suvie hadn't even heard of that yet. Uh,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: we should grab the recipe from you before we leave. Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: can you can you real quick walk through the Suvie
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: uh medallion's little backstrap steaks? Yeah, that's just you just
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: take a loin and butterfly it nice and thick, good
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: inchine and a half thick and uh butterfly it and
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: just put salt, pepper and garlic potter on it. Can
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: you can you? Because my like I hear that, but
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't like when we say butterfly. I think we're
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: talking about two different things. We would say that to butterfly, like,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: for instance, to butterfly a pike flay will be to
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: take that flay in every three eighths of an inch
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: cut through, but not all the way through. That's what
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: I do. I kind of I kind of bout a
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: about a three inch section of the loin. But you're
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: saying you're cutting. I understand, Like I'm not saying you're
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying either of us is right or wrong,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: but our use of that term would be that um
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: to not cut all the way through something. That's exactly
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: what I did. They folded out and there was like, oh,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: so you did do that? Yeah? Really, yes, so I
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: guess that because that's why. Yeah, but really a deer loins, No,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: but I thought it was like an elk loin when
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I looked at it. Really, that's what you did. You did, butterfly,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: it's the same way. Absolutely, I didn't catch that. You
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: sure got like a uniform looking product out of it. Well,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I take pride in my work. Really congratulation, Well, thank you.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: But so you take him and put him in a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: plash what everyone knows that word means. That's right, open
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: it up, salt, pepper and garlic powder and put it
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: in a plastic bag and the meats hew thick, but
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say echine inch and a quarter. Usually I
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  Speaker 1: tried it between me between an inch in the quarter.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying the final meat, the final opened up piece
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  Speaker 1: of meat. Normally I'll do a two and a half
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  Speaker 1: to three inch section and then i'll, you know, do
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  Speaker 1: the one seam in the middle where you cut almost
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  Speaker 1: all the way through where your butterfly folded folded out
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  Speaker 1: and make it look pretty. I had no idea that's
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  Speaker 1: what I was eating. Absolutely, And then I put it
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  Speaker 1: in the water. I mean, you could take a long
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  Speaker 1: time explaining what suvied is, but basically, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: put it in the water, in the bag and put
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  Speaker 1: the little immersion circulator on and I said it a
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  Speaker 1: huddy nine degrees for two hours and take it out
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  Speaker 1: and then finished it with a weed burning torch. I
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  Speaker 1: did finish it with a wade burning torch. Holy sh it?
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  Speaker 1: Was that a good steak man? Yeah? Yeah, you reverse,
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  Speaker 1: because I hear guys torching them or seeing him first
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  Speaker 1: now and then putting them into Yeah, yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I have heard like if I'm doing a brisket, I
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  Speaker 1: will smoke the brisket first for three hours and then
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  Speaker 1: I'll finish it in the suvied. I know you're messing
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  Speaker 1: this up, though, reverse is to see her after because
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  Speaker 1: in normal cooking. Sorry he did do reverse, and no
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  Speaker 1: one's gonna tell me about this wrong. I have heard
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about, and I just like like a reverse,
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  Speaker 1: like a reverse suvie, because the commons suvie preparation, I
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  Speaker 1: think is to you know, in the water first and
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: then see her at the end. So it's a good yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not like a very smart way to do
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  Speaker 1: it because it just gets resocked. Is that a word
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  Speaker 1: all over again? Yeah? I think about what people. I
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  Speaker 1: think the uh, the benefit is that the flavor that
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  Speaker 1: you get from the searing is then in the in
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  Speaker 1: there in the bag. He took these steaks out on
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  Speaker 1: the front deck here, from which he hoots up, hoots
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  Speaker 1: up turkeys, and fired up a wheat like a weed
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  Speaker 1: burning torch, which like ranchers in West Texas will use
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  Speaker 1: to burn thorns off prickly pair of cactus so the
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  Speaker 1: cattle can eat him when there's a drought, and seared
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  Speaker 1: the steaks beautifully. That's a good steak man. That's his
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer. Ye from a holler from We don't
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  Speaker 1: have hollers in northern Missouri. That's up in the Midwest.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the Midwest. Yeah, some big corn fed deer
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  Speaker 1: up there is that? It Uh fine? All closing thought,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have too much. I just want to say
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: thanks to Brandon again for having us. My pleasure sharing
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: his place. Good times vacuuming up all them invasive beetles
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: for us. Parker's got to get to work on those.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta figure out how to get rid of these
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  Speaker 1: Asian beetle and those dudes are tough man. Uh Parker,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any final things you'd like to add? No,
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  Speaker 1: thanks guys, it was a good time, and Brandon for
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: having us down. And you know I did come up turkeyles,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: but you know we heard a lot of birds in
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: in the last two days. It was a good time. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Finally get back out in the woods. Bring turkey seasons
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  Speaker 1: upon us. I have full turkey pressure now I have
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: not harvested the turkey, so the pressure's building. You have
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: more time though, I have a little time. Yeah, so
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get after one. Um. My final thought is
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: the way oh hunting on public land in the east
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: which you hear from all manner guys about how horrible
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: public land hunting is in the East, And I would
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: have agreed with him at eleven today, Yeah, because you're
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: like that, because yeah, we got burned by a couple
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  Speaker 1: of guys. But then I then I found my special
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  Speaker 1: uh my special bird. But even besides that, man, it's
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: just like it's got, you know, a couple of things. One,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: it's still great hunting people got you know, you got turkey.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: We people got turkeys. We're working turkeys here in turkeys.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: It's a lot better than sitting inside um. But man, like,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: if you can get, if you can get and be successful,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: regularly successful, like consistently successful in the place like this,
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be a good turkey hunter anywhere you go.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely to have the added thing of the race against
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: the clock. Knowing that the more that like you're trying
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: to make that bird goblin, you're doing everything right. It's
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: gonna get that bird goblin. The more you get that
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: bird goblin, the more other people are gonna be like, hey,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: it's bird goblin. It's almost like you'd refine a thing
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: by which you um, like you'd refine a hunting strategy,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: but which she's like, don't just don't gobble. I just
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: do one gobble out of this bird, and then I'm
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: gonna do I'm gonna figure out some hunting strategy about
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: which they just will not gobble. I don't want him excited.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Does everybody stay calm? And I just want you to
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: casually come in as to not notify other hunters that
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: you're down here, because the more he's going, you can
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: almost just feel him. You can feel the people being
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: like you're that. But it's fun. Man, it's a whole
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: other challenge. It's a whole other challenge, and it's something
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, I can see why people get for
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: rustrated with it, but I also see why it must
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: make some really really good hunters, some turkey masters. Everybody
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: should come down here to check out these creeks too. Man,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: there pretty amazing just chomping around the hollers and and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: looking at these creeks. They just come bubbling out of
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: the ground. I was really hoping that we'd have an
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: opportunity to float. That's partly what this area is known for.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Our rivers are just second to none, you know. And
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a guy I lived in Montana and Colorado. And
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you these ozark rivers, they're just all you know,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: gravel bottom, crystal clear. Their spring creeks. Dude, poland spring
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't get water clear in that shop in the bottle
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: at the store. Yeah, it's it's crisp, looks cloudy compared
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: to the creeks around here. We've got incredible trout fishing,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: but the small mouth is what is so attractive. You know,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: there's great trout fishing out west, but our small mouth
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: fishing here is just world class. That's in my mind,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: a small mouth this is we're gonna wrap her up.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: But I do want to acknowledge that saying something super
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: truthful is uh, in my mind, is a small cooler
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: in the trout? Go ahead, I agree, And we can
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: float them and and and fish out of drift boat
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: the same way you would fish for rainbows out west,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: and you're fishing them with you can fish them with
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: spinning equipment, but I prefer to fly fish. And so
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: it's like you're it's like your trout fishing on a
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: crystal clear spring creek, but you're you're fly fishing for
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: lunk or smallmouth, and they fight for trout fisherman, I'd
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, it's almost like it's almost like
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: your fishing Smalley's on a crystal clear ozark stream. But nothing,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: it's harder, Nothing fights harder than a small mouth. I agree.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: I think like that we used to say, like in Michigan,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: everybody's like like pound for pound, I would say with
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: freshwater fish, it's hard to find a rival and pound
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: for pound fighting ability. There's a small mouth bass, for sure,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: I think the I think they're I think they're at
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: least seven times cooler than large mouth. And what would
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: be what would take second place in fresh pound for pound,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: no doubt, think of the shape of that thing. Right.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: And it's tough fishing too because of how clear the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: water is. So you you do really good at do
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: really good at dawn and dust. So when you're out
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: fishing with some poppers or any kind of surface plug,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: throwing a mouse or anything for the small mouth at
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: dusk and they just come up and destroy it on
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: the surface. Man, it's exhilarating. I could picture that you'd
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: have to use some some fine floral carbon line or something. Man,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: with all that light and all that clarity, certainly during
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: the daytime. All right, thanks for listening. Oh you know what,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: I gotta work on. The guy emailed in and he
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: says I have the worst way to end. It's the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: worst ending for a show he's ever heard. And he says,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: I need to work on a catchphrase. Oh like, who
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: is that guy who would say like good night and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: good luck Walter Cronk hit, Yeah, something like that. I
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: need to work on something like catch freeze, good hunting,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: you freeloaders, something along the line.