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Katie Woolf spoke with Health Minister Natasha Fyles · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Follow Katie Wolfrom three sixty online at Mix one O
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  Speaker 1: four nine dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday the government announced three suburbs across metropolitan Metropolitan Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: as COVID nineteen hotspots and revoked ten suburbs which had
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  Speaker 2: been declared hotspots on the fourth of February. It does
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  Speaker 2: follow on of course, from an authorized officer at a
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  Speaker 2: hotel quarantine facility in Melbourne returning a positive COVID nineteen test.
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  Speaker 2: Now joining me on the show to talk more about
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  Speaker 2: this and plenty of other things is the Minister for
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  Speaker 2: Health Natasha Files.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Minister, can you just talk us through this hotspot
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  Speaker 2: the latest hotspot declaration.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Katie. So we acted quickly. We always have acted
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  Speaker 3: quickly to declare those hot spots when cases first emerged,
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  Speaker 3: and so yesterday you saw a change based on the
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  Speaker 3: advice of the Chief Health Officer where we removed those
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  Speaker 3: ten suburbs that were declared last week of hotspots, but
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  Speaker 3: we did place three new suburbs in the Victorian Melbourne
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  Speaker 3: metropolitan area as hot spots, so Maidson, Sunshine and Taylor's Lake.
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  Speaker 3: And this followed that Security of Border official in one
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  Speaker 3: of their hotel quarantines testing positive tree the virus, and
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  Speaker 3: that's based on the evidence from the contact tracing in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I guess at the moment, all eyes well,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose most of us have become quite aware that
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  Speaker 2: if you travel now there is always that chance that
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  Speaker 2: a location could be declared a hot spot and your
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  Speaker 2: travel plans may be thrown up in the air. And
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  Speaker 2: as a result, all eyes are certainly on the rollout
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  Speaker 2: of the COVID vaccine. How is that role out going
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  Speaker 2: to happen in the territory.
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, we're working really closely with the federal government
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  Speaker 3: on our plans to deliver the first age of the
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  Speaker 3: COVID nineteen vaccine in the coming weeks. I spoke to
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  Speaker 3: the Federal Health Minister again yesterday afternoon. He's confident that
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  Speaker 3: the vaccine will arrive in Australia in just a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks time, in that last week of February, and
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  Speaker 3: then it will come through to the Northern Territory. The
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  Speaker 3: first cohort of territories that will be vaccinated will be
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  Speaker 3: those quarantine and border workers, those frontline health workers, along
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  Speaker 3: with age care workers and age care residents and disability
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  Speaker 3: care workers and residents, and I think territories can understand
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  Speaker 3: why those territories would be on that first trench list.
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  Speaker 1: And what date do you expect that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: So I spoke to the Ministry yesterday. He's confident that
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  Speaker 3: we will see the vaccine in Australia in that last
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  Speaker 3: week of February and then it will come through to
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  Speaker 3: the territory. We're working on our plan not only for
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  Speaker 3: the first trench and getting people vaccinated, but right across
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  Speaker 3: the Northern Territory. We've seen the fires A vaccine approved
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  Speaker 3: by the TGA in Australia. There is we're hopeful that
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  Speaker 3: the Zenica vaccine will also be approved by the TGA,
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  Speaker 3: but our plans are based around that approved fires A vaccine,
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  Speaker 3: the doses that we will received from the commonwealths Government,
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  Speaker 3: and we will provide more information to territorians in the
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  Speaker 3: coming week around the rollout right across the Northern Territory,
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  Speaker 3: a relatively small population but spread over a big geographical area.
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  Speaker 4: As we know is it going to be compulsory, so
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  Speaker 4: the vaccine won't be compiled through Katie, but territorians will
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  Speaker 4: be expected I believe when they engage in different activities
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  Speaker 4: to show that they're being vaccinated and will work for
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  Speaker 4: the community, understand the vaccine and that it.
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  Speaker 3: Has been approved by the TGA, and so that it
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  Speaker 3: is safe for them to receive that vaccine.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's move along because we have had a few
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  Speaker 2: questions around the BDR after the Liquor Commission meeting Tenant
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  Speaker 2: Creek last week.
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  Speaker 1: Just firstly, have the.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers for the BDR been updated yet on the website?
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  Speaker 3: Katy, I understand that they have been updated, and I
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  Speaker 3: again apologize to territories around that it issue between the
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  Speaker 3: two databases stopping that merge from happening. But we know
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  Speaker 3: that at the end of December three thy six hundred
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  Speaker 3: and seventeen people were on the BDR and the most
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  Speaker 3: common reason was a police ban.
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  Speaker 2: But so the thing is with that website though, was
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  Speaker 2: it not working for like six months?
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  Speaker 3: So the BDR itself was working, so those point of
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  Speaker 3: stale transactions were either going through or being declined. What
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  Speaker 3: happened was we had an interface between two government systems
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  Speaker 3: that was not allowing for the data to merge properly.
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  Speaker 3: Help were manually checking that and yes, the data wasn't
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  Speaker 3: uploaded for around six months.
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  Speaker 1: Is that acceptable to you?
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not acceptable, Katie. I think people largely accept
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  Speaker 3: the bandary to register that it's a simple point of
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  Speaker 3: sale intervention that stops people that are banned and cause
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  Speaker 3: harm with alcohol from purchasing it. But they have a
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  Speaker 3: right to see that information and the type of information Katie.
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  Speaker 3: That people might not have looked at the website and
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  Speaker 3: it might not be familiar, but it talks about the
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  Speaker 3: number of people on the BDR, the number of point
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  Speaker 3: of sale transactions, and the number that were a few us.
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  Speaker 3: So people do have the right to see that information.
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  Speaker 3: So again I apologize now.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, hospitality in se are really concerned
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  Speaker 2: about the changes that you're looking to roll out in
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  Speaker 2: Tenant Creek. Take a listen to what Alex Bruce had
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  Speaker 2: to say last week.
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  Speaker 5: The BDR stats that got presented yesterday's show ninety nine
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  Speaker 5: point nine percent of people are getting a green screen
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  Speaker 5: legal sale. So you can reasonably suppose that that will
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  Speaker 5: be the level of compliance with this if it comes
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  Speaker 5: into pubs than clubs. And yesterday it was not made
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  Speaker 5: clear whether at the door with wristbands or if it's
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  Speaker 5: every transaction and we're about to see the death of
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  Speaker 5: shouting your mates around the biers.
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  Speaker 2: So Minister, if ninety nine percent of people are indeed
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  Speaker 2: doing the right thing when it comes to the BDR,
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  Speaker 2: but Tenant Creek is still obviously having alcohol issues, is
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  Speaker 2: expanding the BDR really the answer here, So.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, there's two points to mate. It is different to
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  Speaker 3: correlate a takeaway sales so people know their band and
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  Speaker 3: they can't go and purchase that alcohol. You do see
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  Speaker 3: a very small number but still try and purchase and
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  Speaker 3: that's where you get those refute sales. In terms of
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  Speaker 3: Planet Creek, the Liquor Commission noted the extraordinary high levels
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  Speaker 3: of consumption in the Barkley region, which is associate and
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  Speaker 3: correlates with an extraordinary high level of alcohol related harm,
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  Speaker 3: which has a huge impact on that small community. So
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  Speaker 3: the Liquor Commission, as we know, was in Tenet Creek
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  Speaker 3: last week listening to the community, listening to representatives from
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  Speaker 3: licensees along with police and other officials around what measures
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  Speaker 3: could be put in place to protect that small community.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just ask around intoxication, whether you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: Tenant creig Alice Springs or indeed here in Darwin, if
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  Speaker 2: somebody is picked up for public intoxication and they're on
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  Speaker 2: the BDR, are they taken to the watchhouse or are
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  Speaker 2: they taken to a sobering up shelter.
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, if somebody has picked up because they are intoxicated,
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  Speaker 3: it would depend on whether they have allegedly committed a crime,
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  Speaker 3: so whether they would go to the watchhouse or whether
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  Speaker 3: it is for their own safety and they would go
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  Speaker 3: out to the sobering up shelter. We've co located, as
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  Speaker 3: you know, the sobering up shelter, the detox and the
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  Speaker 3: rehabilitation to try and have stronger pathways. And we've also
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  Speaker 3: worked with Lachia Nation to make sure that there is
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  Speaker 3: additional resources out in the community taking people that have
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  Speaker 3: drunk too much into those supports so that we're not
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  Speaker 3: tying up police resources. But these are very complete.
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  Speaker 1: Issues, all right.
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  Speaker 2: We have been given some information to say that a
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  Speaker 2: number of people who end up at the watchhouse are
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  Speaker 2: on the BDR. Many of them end up at the
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  Speaker 2: watchhouse more than once a week. So I'm just trying to,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, get to the bottom of if we have
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  Speaker 2: got somebody who's a problem drinker. They end up in
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  Speaker 2: the watchhouse and they're on the BDR, and you know that's.
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  Speaker 1: Happening more than once.
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  Speaker 2: Are they referred to a program, some kind of rehabilitation
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  Speaker 2: program to really try to sort out their alcohol issues.
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  Speaker 3: So we very much have those rehabilitations and those supports
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  Speaker 3: in place, and that was part of having the colocation
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  Speaker 3: of detops into rehabilitation. It is complex. If somebody is
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  Speaker 3: in the watchhouse, are they charged with an offense? What
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  Speaker 3: is that offense? Certainly if they go before the courts,
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  Speaker 3: it would be noted that they are on the BDR
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  Speaker 3: and they're intoxicated, how did they get that alcohol, etc.
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  Speaker 3: So I can't comment, you know, there would be different
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  Speaker 3: variables for each case, but we certainly continue to work
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  Speaker 3: as I said and put those resources in place, and
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  Speaker 3: also work with police so we can try and make
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  Speaker 3: their job easy. Whether it's you know, people that should
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  Speaker 3: be going to the sobering up shelters they not interacting
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  Speaker 3: with police, or if they come into those police contacts,
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  Speaker 3: how can we support police.
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  Speaker 2: Do we have any idea in terms of numbers, how
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  Speaker 2: many people have gone through a rehab program, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who are on the BDR.
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  Speaker 3: Okatie I have. I don't have those numbers in front
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  Speaker 3: of me. I know that there's certainly numbers around the
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  Speaker 3: people that have gone through rehabilitation, whether it's broken down
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  Speaker 3: for people that are on the BDR. Noticing that people
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  Speaker 3: will go into the band drinker register for a period
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  Speaker 3: of time, they'll come off the band drinker register, and
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  Speaker 3: they could go back on the band drinker register. And
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  Speaker 3: we've got those four pathways to the BDR through the courts,
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  Speaker 3: whether police refer them for offenses or whether they self referral,
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  Speaker 3: or if a clinician refers them. So it is complex,
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  Speaker 3: but I'd be happy to investigate and get you some
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  Speaker 3: more information on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd be keen to find out. I guess you know.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm getting to is trying to work out when
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  Speaker 2: there is that level of public intoxication or people who
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  Speaker 2: are breaking the law in different ways when they are intoxicated.
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  Speaker 1: And all the BDR.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if they're then actually going through rehab in
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  Speaker 2: an effort to try to help them, or whether they
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  Speaker 2: are just sort of going in and out of that
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  Speaker 2: sobering up shelter or in and out of the watchhouse
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  Speaker 2: and ending up back on the straight, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: It is complex. The BDR. It stops people that cause harm,
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  Speaker 3: get intoxicated and then cause time in the community. You know,
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  Speaker 3: for example in December there was transactions declined and that
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  Speaker 3: stopping supply of alcohols to people that cause that harm.
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  Speaker 3: But there's no one solution that will stop this. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to have a multitude of solutions in place, and
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  Speaker 3: that's what we do have. And we also need to
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  Speaker 3: be agile and continue to respond and will continue to
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  Speaker 3: look at the evidence that's before us.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I have had a question come through from one of
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  Speaker 2: our listeners, who must be a business owner, who has
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  Speaker 2: said that in the city, for example, there are people
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  Speaker 2: who have been taken away by the police and they
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  Speaker 2: understand they're on the BDR, but then they are brought
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  Speaker 2: back into the city the following day because they've got
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  Speaker 2: nowhere else to go. I mean, is that really a
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  Speaker 2: situation that we want If somebody is publicly and poxicated
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  Speaker 2: in the city, for example, as we've just heard, do
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  Speaker 2: we want them then sort of spending the night in
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  Speaker 2: the watchhouse or spending the night in the sobering up shelter,
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  Speaker 2: but then ultimately ending up back in the city where
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  Speaker 2: they were before and doing the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: So kay, we know that homelessness, and we also know
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  Speaker 3: homelessness in the Northern Territory is very unique in the
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  Speaker 3: sense that if you ask somebody that's sleeping rough where
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  Speaker 3: they think they'll be in twelve months, they often say
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  Speaker 3: that they'll be somewhere else. Withinterstate they can't see themselves
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  Speaker 3: moving from that homelessness situation. So people come into town
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  Speaker 3: to do business, they might have a period in their
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  Speaker 3: life where they sleep rough and so we have to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that we're not criminalizing certain behaviors. But at
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  Speaker 3: the same time, it is unacceptable for people in the
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  Speaker 3: community to see people drinking. It is unacceptable for people
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  Speaker 3: that are drunk to be causing that antisocial behavior, and
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  Speaker 3: so making sure that there is shelters available and making
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  Speaker 3: sure that there's those resources for people if they do
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  Speaker 3: wish to sober up and detox, that it is there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing, I guess, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: essence of that of that question really is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is it appropriate if somebody has indeed been publicly intoxicated
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  Speaker 2: in the city one day to then drop them back
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  Speaker 2: there again the next day?
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  Speaker 1: So they can do it all over again.
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  Speaker 3: Katie, it's a tricky question. We want to make those
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  Speaker 3: pathways as easy as possible and that's why that colocation
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  Speaker 3: of the sobering up shelter into the detox and the
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  Speaker 3: rehab is important. But if they haven't broken the law,
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  Speaker 3: it's difficult. And we know with treatment for alcohol addiction
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  Speaker 3: that it takes time, it takes many The evidence shows
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  Speaker 3: that many attempts to rehabilitate, but it's something that we
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  Speaker 3: have to support those that have an alcohol addiction with
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  Speaker 3: so that we can hopefully at some point they can
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  Speaker 3: become clean and not have a problem with alcohol.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Minister, when are we going to find out
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  Speaker 2: if indeed the BDA is going to be rolled out
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  Speaker 2: further in Tenant Creek and are you looking at rolling
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  Speaker 2: it out further around the rest of the territory.
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  Speaker 3: So the question around Tennant Creek would be for the
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  Speaker 3: Leaky Commission when they would hand down their findings, and
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  Speaker 3: that's been proposed and we certainly saw the evidence from
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  Speaker 3: the community around what their thoughts were. We don't have
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  Speaker 3: a government policy setting of intending to roll out the
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  Speaker 3: BDR on premise in the Northern territory.
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  Speaker 2: But is there anything stopping you know, is there anything
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  Speaker 2: realistically stopping the Commission from looking at rolling it out
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  Speaker 2: further around the territory.
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  Speaker 3: So the Commission were in Chanet Creek, they heard from
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  Speaker 3: the community, they heard from licensees, and they heard from
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  Speaker 3: police and other emergency workers who deal with the harm
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  Speaker 3: of alcohol. The Licensing director was there in Tenet Creek.
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  Speaker 3: He certainly worked hard with licensees so they can uphold
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  Speaker 3: their license conditions, but tries to make sure that there's
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  Speaker 3: at least burden as possible on business. So those are
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  Speaker 3: the issues that will be worked through and the Independent
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  Speaker 3: Lity Commission will make a decision.
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  Speaker 2: So there's nothing realistically, there's nothing stopping the Independent Liqued
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  Speaker 2: Commission from potentially looking at doing this in other parts
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  Speaker 2: of the territory.
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  Speaker 3: So the Tenet Creek situation was those, as I pointed
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  Speaker 3: to earlier, the high rates of alcohol consumption and the
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  Speaker 3: high rates of alcohol field violence and crime and offenses
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  Speaker 3: in that community, and that's why they did that work there.
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  Speaker 3: But as I said, it is not the government's policy
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  Speaker 3: intention to roll the BDR out on premise across the
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  Speaker 3: Northern territory.
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  Speaker 1: But it is for Tenant Creek potentially.
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  Speaker 3: It has been a suggestion from the Leaky Commission and
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  Speaker 3: they've been on the ground listening to the community around
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  Speaker 3: what their thoughts would be.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Minister, I do just want to ask you
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  Speaker 2: about very quickly, it is being reported online by the
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  Speaker 2: ABC Alis Springs that there's going to be no live
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  Speaker 2: Parjama events for the mall. Pachama organizers have scrapped all
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  Speaker 2: of those live performance events in Alice Springs Todd Mall
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  Speaker 2: at this year's event. It's being said on the ABC
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  Speaker 2: online because of safety concerns. As we know, a car
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  Speaker 2: was driven through the Todd Mall during a live performance
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  Speaker 2: at last year's festival. Minister, this is a pretty bad
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  Speaker 2: situation that we're in if we're not able to have
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  Speaker 2: a live event in the mall because of safety can concerns.
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, the event last year, I understand around COVID
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  Speaker 3: was at that one location. They had intended to roll
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  Speaker 3: out some features in the mall. I don't have that detail.
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  Speaker 3: I'll continue to work with Northern Churchy Major Events on
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  Speaker 3: the rollout if there's measures that we can put in
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  Speaker 3: place that would see the event coming to the mall.
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  Speaker 3: That would be great. That puts Mary's spectacular event of
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  Speaker 3: lights and sounds and acknowledging the culture of the oldest
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  Speaker 3: living culture on earth against that backdrop of the McDonald Ranges.
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  Speaker 3: It's simply spectacular and the main feature is always out
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  Speaker 3: at the desert.
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  Speaker 2: So, Minister, is the are the live events in the
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  Speaker 2: mall scrap due to safety concerns with COVID or scraped
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  Speaker 2: due to safety concerns with crime?
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  Speaker 3: So, Katie, I'm going to have to get some clarification
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  Speaker 3: for you on anty major event around what their intentions were.
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  Speaker 3: They last year had hoped to roll out the event
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  Speaker 3: in both the mall and out at the Desert Park.
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  Speaker 3: They did at the last minute shift out to the
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  Speaker 3: Desert Park itself. This year, I know they have talked
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  Speaker 3: about both locations. I'll need to speak with them around
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  Speaker 3: the finalization of where the event will be, if it
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  Speaker 3: will only be at the Desert Park or if they
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  Speaker 3: will be events in the mall.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if this has been scrapped from them all
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  Speaker 2: due to safety concerns around crime, you must be pretty
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  Speaker 2: worried about that.
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  Speaker 1: As a tourism minister, Katie, we know that.
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  Speaker 3: The issue of crime and anti social behavior in Alice
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  Speaker 3: Springs is a very real issue. There's no denying that,
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  Speaker 3: and I spoke last week on your show around the
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  Speaker 3: work that are cross government and particularly Chancey Cake is
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  Speaker 3: the minister that lives in Ala Springs is taking in
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  Speaker 3: that leadership and we certainly are not denying that crime
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  Speaker 3: isn't an issue. In relation to your specific questions, I've
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  Speaker 3: said I'll seek some advice or a major events.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to leave it there.
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  Speaker 2: We won't talk crime again with your minister because we
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  Speaker 2: did on Friday. We spoke to the Chief Minister about
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  Speaker 2: it yesterday. We're going to continue that discussion in a
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  Speaker 2: moment though with Robin Lamley. I really appreciate your time
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  Speaker 2: this morning. Thank you for having a chat with us.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That is the Minister for health Fare and also the
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  Speaker 2: Minister for Tourism, Natasha Files. Now, as I just said,
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  Speaker 2: it has just been well, someone has just sent this
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  Speaker 2: to us that ABC Alice Springs are reporting that there
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: will be no live pardumer events for the mall. The
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: organizers have scrapped all of those live performance events in
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Alice Springs Todd Mall at this year's event because of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: safety concerns is what's being reported. It goes on to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: say car was driven through the Todd Mall during a
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: live performance at last year's festival. Now it is being
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: reported here that Anti Major Events Director of Engagement and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Culture Paul Rchi told the ABC that he hopes live
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: events will be able to return to the mall as
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: part of the event in the future.