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S6 E1 - The Lane Bryant Murders · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 2: talk about what we're covering tonight. Tonight, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be covering the unsolved Lane Bryant murders that took place
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  Speaker 2: just outside of Chicago, Illinois in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 2: Three days ago marked the eighteenth anniversary, and so we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to discuss it and put out this case in
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  Speaker 2: hopes that someone out there may have answers. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna warn you'all now, tonight's show is going to be
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  Speaker 2: an emotional one and a sad one. I cried writing it,
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  Speaker 2: Terry cried reading it, and now we're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to say it out loud, in own, in our words,
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  Speaker 2: and it's we're probably gonna cry, just to let you
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  Speaker 2: know we're criers. Okay, we have hearts, we're humans, and
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  Speaker 2: it's a very very good story. So so go grab
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  Speaker 2: your kleenexes while we tell y'all what we're drinking tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Grap mine.
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  Speaker 2: How wouldn't they match me today?
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: I love that? Of course they do. Of course they're pink.
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  Speaker 1: So I bought wine for tonight that I was going
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  Speaker 1: to drink that I am going to be honest and
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  Speaker 1: transparent that I've had a rough week and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to push my luck because I don't want anything
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  Speaker 1: really unusual or uncomfortable to happen on camera. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm having watermelon flavored sparkling water.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, But.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I feel better today than I have
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  Speaker 1: felt in months, So I'm not pushing my luck.
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  Speaker 2: Good good. We'd rather have you here telling a story
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  Speaker 2: than laid up in bed like you've had to be
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  Speaker 2: earlier this week. Well, don't worry, because I am drinking
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  Speaker 2: for both of us. Okay, I actually haven't drank very
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  Speaker 2: much since we've been off the last couple of months.
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  Speaker 2: But I got me a big old bottle of barefoot,
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  Speaker 2: reasoning nothing fancy. I know it's our first show, but
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  Speaker 2: it was last minute. I even told Terry earlier I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't drinking anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's excite. I thought you were drinking water with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I caan't re mind. I decided to treat myself.
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  Speaker 1: So id me I almost did. I went next doubleh.
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  Speaker 1: I said, So what do you think about me having
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  Speaker 1: just one class of mine? He goes, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: leave that up to you. Oh can you not just
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  Speaker 1: be an adult for me?
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  Speaker 2: So thanks? All right, Well that's what we are drinking tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And how about we go ahead and start getting into
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  Speaker 2: tonight's case, shall we? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: We should. So on the morning, Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, hello, Craig, Hello, Craig's here. Yeah, Craig's here. Gregs.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm still learning the new monitor situation, so
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  Speaker 1: everybody bear with me. So on the morning of Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: February two, two thousand and eight, in Tinley Park, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: Rhoda McFarlane was driving to work a shift at the
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  Speaker 1: Lane Bryant store in Brookside Marketplace. Now, before we get
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  Speaker 1: into the awful events of that day. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important to understand who Rhoda McFarland was, because, just like
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  Speaker 1: all the other women in this story, she was never
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  Speaker 1: just a victim and a headline guys. Okay, she wasn't. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Rhoda McFarlan.
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  Speaker 2: Your Amy, Amy, stop at it crashing the party?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what am I missing back there? I
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  Speaker 1: bet she is loving herself for that.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 1: So Rhoda McFarlane was born Rhoda Hamilton on January tenth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, and she grew up in Joliet, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: on the outer edge of Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: So beautiful, it is so beautiful. But right now she's
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful. Oh, she is gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: She is gorgeous. I'm going to just go on a
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  Speaker 1: limb here and say I love her hair. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I love the wispy hair that now. She was one
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  Speaker 1: of five children, okay, and from a young age, those
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  Speaker 1: who knew her described her as courageous, compassionate, and driven.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you I love all of
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  Speaker 1: those descriptions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love them.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And she was the kind of kid who grew
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  Speaker 1: into a smart, hard working young woman. Someone who showed up,
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  Speaker 1: stepped up, and helped others whenever she could.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to see that this is exactly who
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  Speaker 2: she is. So after graduating from high school in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty four, Rhoda chose a noble path that immediately says
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  Speaker 2: a lot about her character. She enlisted in the US
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  Speaker 2: Air Force, and during her service she trained to become
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  Speaker 2: a nurse practitioner and spent about three years stationed at
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  Speaker 2: Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, which is a very
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  Speaker 2: big deal. Even after her active duty ended, she stayed
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  Speaker 2: on in the Air Force Reserves, continuing that commitment to service.
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  Speaker 2: But the military wasn't the only place Roda felt called
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  Speaker 2: to serve. Faith played a major role in her life.
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  Speaker 2: Roda eventually became ordained and worked as a full time minister.
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  Speaker 2: When disagreements with church leadership later pushed her to step
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  Speaker 2: away from the role, it forced Roda into an early
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  Speaker 2: midlife reset we're going to call it. That left her
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  Speaker 2: figuring out what was going to come next for her
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  Speaker 2: life now.
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  Speaker 1: Roda ended up returning back home to the Chicago area,
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  Speaker 1: and she threw herself back into the community. She became
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  Speaker 1: the pastoral assistant at Embassy Christian Center in Crest Hill,
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  Speaker 1: which is just right down the road a few miles
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  Speaker 1: from where she grew up in Joliette. Now she didn't
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  Speaker 1: just hold the title, guys, she did the work. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Rota helped launch youth programs, work to support formally incarcerated
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  Speaker 1: people re entering society, and even created a project called
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  Speaker 1: Princess Unveiled, which focused on helping young girls prepare for adulthood. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: that says a lot about her.
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  Speaker 2: I know the title of it is just.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine a lot of things were probably think too terry.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like sparkling, that's the only color. But by her
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  Speaker 1: mid forties, Roda had been through a divorce and was
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  Speaker 1: facing the reality of starting over professionally, and she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: exactly thrilled about it. Okay, fair, I mean fair. For
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  Speaker 1: a while she worked for nik or Gas, and during
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  Speaker 1: that chapter of her life, she also found love again. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: it can happen. It can happen. So Rooda began dating
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  Speaker 1: a man named Stuart Gibbs, and by the winter of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, the two were engaged and looking
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  Speaker 1: ahead to their future together.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's love.
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  Speaker 1: Month.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sappy, I know, I know, well, Hello Missy, happy
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  Speaker 2: to see you here at night. Too great to have
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  Speaker 2: you and lady and Gray is what she does sound
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  Speaker 2: amazing like. Rhoda is a far more amazing individual than
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  Speaker 2: I am. I'll tell you that so as her As
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  Speaker 2: she was looking forward to a future with Stuart then
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  Speaker 2: game Lane Bryant, Roda applied with the idea that it
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  Speaker 2: would just be something temporary to bridge the gap. But
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  Speaker 2: once she was hired, something clicked. She was quickly promoted
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  Speaker 2: a store manager, and to her own surprise, she genuinely
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed the job. It gave her a sense of purpose
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  Speaker 2: and kept her engaged. Most importantly, though, it let her
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  Speaker 2: keep doing what she always did, which was looking out
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  Speaker 2: for others. Roda even used her employee discount to buy
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  Speaker 2: clothes for people who couldn't afford them, Like this woman
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  Speaker 2: cannot get better, to be honest with you, like she's
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  Speaker 2: just so, that's a good person. She's a very good person. Now.
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  Speaker 2: During the winter of two thousand and seven into two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight, she stayed incredibly involved at the store.
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  Speaker 2: She regularly came in on days she wasn't scheduled, especially
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  Speaker 2: on the weekends because she knew her employees could get overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 2: And the first weekend of February, leg and Bryant had
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  Speaker 2: just sent out flyers for a major clearance sale, and
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  Speaker 2: Roda knew her skeleton crew was about to feel the pressure.
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  Speaker 2: I've worked retail during an annual sale in Oh Boy.
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  Speaker 1: I have as well, and I always am like, why
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  Speaker 1: is there a skeleton crew? So on that Saturday morning
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  Speaker 1: of February second, two thousand and eight, even though it
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  Speaker 1: was her day off, Rhoda decided to go in anyway,
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  Speaker 1: And it was a kind of decision she had made
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  Speaker 1: her entire life to show up to help and to
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  Speaker 1: take care of others. And as Rhoda stepped out of
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  Speaker 1: her car into the cold morning air, she couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: known that this ordinary, generous choice would permanently alter the
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  Speaker 1: lives of everyone who loved her, in an entire community
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  Speaker 1: that would soon be searching for answers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeph, Obviously, I think we all know the story doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have a happy ending, So thanks Loma. So also on
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  Speaker 2: the morning of Saturday, February second, two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Zafranski was not headed to work. Instead, she was
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  Speaker 2: doing something small, something ordinary, the kind of air that
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  Speaker 2: no one remembers afterwards unless it's the last one. Sarah
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  Speaker 2: was just twenty two years old, the youngest of the
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  Speaker 2: women who would be killed that day. She was born
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  Speaker 2: on May twenty sixth, nineteen eighty five, I'm sorry, nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty five, the oldest of three children, and from an
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  Speaker 2: early age she carried herself with a quiet sense of responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: She was thoughtful, structured, and serious in the way that
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  Speaker 2: people often are when they care deeply about doing things right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She grew up in Oak Forest, Illinois, where she
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  Speaker 1: was known as a standout student long before she ever
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  Speaker 1: set foot into the Lane Bryan store. So, guys, in
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  Speaker 1: high school, she excelled at nearly everything she touched. I
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  Speaker 1: think they call that the Midas touch. She was a
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  Speaker 1: member of the National Honor Society, frequently named the Honor Roll,
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  Speaker 1: and was recognized as an Illinois state scholar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah ver smarty pants.
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  Speaker 1: Smarty pants, but also talented because she played clarinet in
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  Speaker 1: the concert band, on the badminton team, worked on the
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  Speaker 1: year book staff, and even earned recognition as a mathlete.
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  Speaker 2: That's not us. I'd like Marnett.
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  Speaker 1: I had to google that, but it was after she
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  Speaker 1: turned in a perfect paper. Oh so she wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: academically gifted. She was thoughtful, she was disciplined, and she
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  Speaker 1: was deeply engaged in her school community.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. After graduating high school in two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah went on to Northern Illinois University, earning her degree
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. Friends and family spoke proudly
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  Speaker 2: about how recently she had finished college and landed a
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  Speaker 2: professional job, described variously as working in banking, accounting, and
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  Speaker 2: as a paralegal, all signs of a young woman building
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  Speaker 2: a stable and promising career. She was doing exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing in your early twenties, learning, growing,
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  Speaker 2: working hard, and figuring out who you're becoming. Outside of school,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah was a homebody and the best sense of the
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  Speaker 2: word at me too girl. She loved board games, quiet
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  Speaker 2: evenings and weekends with her boyfriend Brian. Neither of them
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  Speaker 2: needed noise or chaos to fulfilled. They were content, staying
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  Speaker 2: and comfortable and routine happy with each other's company. Sarah's
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  Speaker 2: life wasn't flashy, but it was study and she was
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  Speaker 2: very proud of what she had built as she should be, ias.
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  Speaker 1: Exciting as she should be. Sarah had received some amazing
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  Speaker 1: news that she would be starting work at CNA Financial
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  Speaker 1: Corporation in downtown Chicago for twenty two year old This
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  Speaker 1: was a huge achievement. Yeah, I mean downtown Chicago. That's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. Guys, If you don't know, that's a
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  Speaker 1: big deal in twenty two it meant stability and independence
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  Speaker 1: and the beginning of a professional life she had carefully planned. Now.
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  Speaker 1: That new job is what brought Sarah to Lane Bryant
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  Speaker 1: that morning. She needed winter work clothes, professional outfits that
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  Speaker 1: would help her feel prepared walking into an office tower
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a Chicago winter because they're dreadful.
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  Speaker 1: Oh nothing been there worked, It's dreadful. This was just
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  Speaker 1: another box to check as she stepped into adulthood.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah walked into the Lane Bryant and Tinley Park expecting
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  Speaker 2: to browse racks, maybe ask a question, maybe find a sale.
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  Speaker 2: She had no reason to rush, no reason to feel uneasy,
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  Speaker 2: no idea that anything about this day would be remembered
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  Speaker 2: for the wrong reasons. While Sarah was trying to find
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  Speaker 2: the perfect business outfits, another woman was making her way
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  Speaker 2: to the same store for an entirely different reason, but
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  Speaker 2: with the same expectations of going in and out. Then
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  Speaker 2: back to her day.
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  Speaker 1: So, Carrie Chuso was thirty three years old and lived
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  Speaker 1: in Frankfort, Illinois. She was in the middle of what
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  Speaker 1: should have been one of the happiest chapters in her life.
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  Speaker 1: She was a social worker at Homewood Flossmore High School.
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  Speaker 1: Her alma made a place that jest wasn't just her workplace.
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  Speaker 1: Up there's the sound of the why it's wine.
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  Speaker 2: It's Wine Day Wine podcast listeners. It's wine.
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  Speaker 1: W she's doing that, but since I can't have any,
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  Speaker 1: she's going to drink double.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. Also, by the way, if you're listening on
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  Speaker 2: the pod, if you check over our YouTube channel, we
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  Speaker 2: do have visuals that go along with our stories. If
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  Speaker 2: you'd like to see images of the victims in the
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  Speaker 2: Carrie just has the most beautiful smile, just gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: He is a glowing ride in that picture. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this was her alma made, and that minute wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: her workplace, but it was her community. She graduated from
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  Speaker 1: the school in nineteen ninety three. She went on to
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  Speaker 1: earn her degree from DePaul University and completed her master's
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  Speaker 1: in social work at Loyola University Chicago. Ten years after
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  Speaker 1: walking those same halls as a student, she returned as
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  Speaker 1: a counselor, determined to help the kids who needed it
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  Speaker 1: the most.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she coached the girls golf team. She became a
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  Speaker 2: certified bus driver so she could personally take students to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: volunteer projects. She held weekly meetings with students in the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Delta program. It's an alternative school for teens facing expulsion,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and Carrie didn't just counsel students, she invested in them. Now.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Outside of work, Carrie was vibrant, outgoing, and full of
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: joy if you saw that wedding picture. Yes yes. Friends
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: described her as party loving, outspoken, and someone who lived
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: life with a palpable enthusiasm. And nowhere was that more
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: evident than in her relationship with her new husband, Tony.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Instance of is love mom makes me happy because their
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: love story moved fast and felt right from the beginning.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: They met at Morgan's Barn Grill and I think it's Mokina.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, apologize to new my Chicago friends.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Tony said it was her smile that captivated him instantly
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: she got a great smile. Their first date was at Buffalo.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Wild winks another way, I'm with that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, not the wrong with that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: There.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Seven months later, he proposed in a Chicago hotel suite
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: filled with candles, rose petals, and toy frogs, a personal
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: way of telling her she found her prints.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I know, I know what I know. It's beautiful.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So they were married on June tenth, two thousand and six,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: at Saint Joseph Catholic Church in the Homewood, with the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: reception at Olympia Fields Country Club and standing at that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: same altar. Years later, Tony would call their wedding day
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the happiest date of his life.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's getting harder. It's getting harder. As we're
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: going into the story, Tonight started crying already. But now,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: on the evening of February second, Carrie has some exciting plans.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: She was supposed to meet up with former classmates from
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Paul University, a casual get together, the kind you look
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: forward to after a long week. She wanted something new
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to wear, something that made her feel good walking into
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a room of people you haven't seen for a while.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And when Carrie walked into Lane Bryant and Tinley Park
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that morning. She expected to grab an outfit, maybe check
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the mirror, and then head on to the rest of
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: her day, a dinner with friends and a life waiting
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: at home. But she never made it to that dinner,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and she never made it to her home. And just
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like that, Carrie, another woman arrived at the same store,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: not because it was part of her routine, but because
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: life had simply placed her there that day.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm getting my noses like it's so. Jennifer Bishop,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: who went by Jenny, had turned thirty four just four
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: days before her and her husband traveled from South Bend,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Indiana to Tinley Park, Illinois. Jennifer was a devoted, loving mother,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not to one child, but to three young children seven,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: five and six months sus some work. She was a
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two graduate of Marion High School and was
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: known there for her basketball and softball skills. She went
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: on to earn a Bachelor of Science in nursing from
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Indiana University in nineteen ninety six and had already begun
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: working at Memorial Hospital the year before. She had spent
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: more than a decade caring for patients most recently as
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a charge nurse in the ICU, and it was a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: role she was especially proud of it. She should be,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: because that is a hard.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Role, very hard, very hard role. Now outside the hospital,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Jenny's world revolved around her family. She married Brian Bishop
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven, and together they raised their three children.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Friends and family described her as a deeply involved mother.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: How she had the time, I don't know, but she was.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: How did you work as a nurse too? In a chart?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Oh? I don't even know, but amazing. Her children, loved
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: one says, were her life. Jenny had traveled to Tenley
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Park with her husband, Brian, who was attending a work
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: conference in town that day. While Brian was occupied, Genny
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: needed something to do, something small, to fill the time
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: before they reunited later that evening.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: For her birthday, one of her family members had her
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a Lane Bryant gift cards, so she decided why not
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: go pick out a new outfit for the evening, Nothing elaborate,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: just something nice. Jennifer Bishop ended up inside that Lane
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Bryant because of timing a conference, a birthday card, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a few hours to pass before the evening, something so
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: many of us have done. Another woman had arrived for
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a different reason. Entirely, she wasn't traveling or visiting. She
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: just happened to live minutes away.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Connie Woolfolk was thirty seven years old and she
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: was a mother first always. She was raising two sons,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: ages sixteen and ten, while also sharing a home with
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: her mother. Her oldest attended Homewood Flossmore High School, the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: very same school where fellow victim Carried You So worked
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: an intersection of lives that would only be understood later.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Her youngest son, just ten years old, lived with spina bifida,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a condition that required constant care, patience, and attention, and
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Connie gave all of it without hesitation. Connie was known
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: as a hard working, upbeat and capable woman. A straight
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: A graduate at Cretemony High School, she worked for the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: village of Park Forest for several years, serving in finance
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and community development roles.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Later, Connie worked as a real estate broker in mortgage lender.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: She had recently started a mortgage company with her mother
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with the goal of helping bring economic development to park Forest.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Friends described her as an entrepreneur, driven, optimistic, and determined
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to build something better for her family. To support her family.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Connie worked overnight shifts, shifts at Target, the same Target
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that shared a parking lot with Lane Bryant. Connie loved
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: her family fiercely. She worked hard, She protected her own
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and if someone she cared about needed defending, Connie didn't hesitate.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: No, no, she didn't. As will see, that Saturday, Connie
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't running errands for work or family. She was doing
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: something rare. She had just gotten a manicure and a pedicure,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: her first in a long time, and had plans for
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a girl's night out, which for someone like her in
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: her life is a once very rare opportunity. So before
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: huting home, she stopped by Lane Bryant to pick up
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: an outfit. It was just meant to be a quick stop,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a small indulgence, and a much earned moment just for herself.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Connie Wolfook didn't just become a victim that day. She
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: became a reminder of what courage looks like when a
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: mother refuses to go quietly even in the face of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: unimaginable violence. Another woman was present that day, someone whose
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: life would take a different turn. She would survive, but
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: she would never forget.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the sake of privacy, we are not going
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to share her name.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Sorry, well nobody knows it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Actually, it's remain largely Yeah, a woman reporters have occasionally
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: called Martha. She was thirty three years old and worked
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: part time at Lane Bryant, typically covering weekend shifts, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: spent the rest of her time attending school for nursing,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: working towards a career dedicated to helping others. Lane Bryant
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was a job she chose for extra income, a way
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to gain experience, and a temporary step along a path
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to a future in healthcare. She was a student, a worker,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and was doing her best to balance responsibilities with ambition.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, all those women are just.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a group of women too.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every single one of them just leaves
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and bounds. Yeah, you know, amazing. So let's get into
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that day. So by ten am on Saturday, February second,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, the Lane Bryant and ten Park
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: opened its stores and was quietly busy for a week
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: in sale, but not yet crowded. Inside. Rhoda McFarland moved
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: through the store with calm purpose. A store manager, she
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was already thinking about the team and the weekend sale,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: straightening displays and checking in with her employee Martha. There
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: were only two customers in the store at the time,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: both women looking through blouses and sales racks, two ordinary
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: everyday women just buying a little something for themselves. The
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: four women were all in the same space. None of
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: them knew each other personally, most were strangers, yet for
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: those moments they shared a quiet humanity, a simple coexistence.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: In the small suburban store. The scene could have been
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: any weekend in any store anywhere. In just a few minutes,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: all of that would change.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Around that same time, a man entered the store. He
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: was a black man of average height, a little husky,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: with several corn rolls pulled back from his face, with
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: one distinct braid hung over his right ear, ending in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: small green beads. The man said he was a delivery
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: driver and began chatting casually with Rhoda at the front
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: of the store. He carried himself with confidence, was not
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: hurried or nervous, and he appeared to belong there. He
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: had papers in his hands enough to make the story
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: feel legitimate. For several minutes, nothing about the interactions seemed alarming,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: but Rodin noticed something. As the store's manager, she knew
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the schedule no delivery was act effected that morning. To
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: be certain, she stepped aside and called another nearby Lane
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Bryant location to confirm. While she was checking, the man
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: stayed inside the store.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Approximately fifteen minutes had passed, and then, without warning, the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: situation changed. The man pulled a gun from his pocket,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and the casual conversation ended. Instantly, the tone shifted from
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: routine retail work to terror. He began yelling, directing his
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: commands not just at the two employees, Rhoda and Martha,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: but also at the two other women in the store,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: women who had just come in to shop, women who
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: had no connection to one another, women who were, by
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: every definition, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: A matter of seconds, the ordinary morning inside Lane Bryant
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was over, and the worst moments of their lives had begun.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Once the gun became visible, the man's intentions became unmistakable.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: He began by demanding money, ordering the employees to empty
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the cash register, then insisting that each woman hand over
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the cash from their own purse or wallet. He took
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: what he could see, rings, necklaces, visible jewelry, stripping the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: women of anything that looked valuable at gunpoint for women, Rhoda,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Martha and the two female customers were then forced toward
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the back of the store, into an area typically off
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: limits to shoppers. It was quieter and more isolated.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: The man had come prepared. He produced duct tape and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: bound each woman, restraining their arms and forcing them to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: lie face down on the floor. With the women defenseless,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: he made at least one brief but degrading sexual advance,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: a moment of violation that stopped short of assault. None
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: of the women were undressed, but the humiliation continued. The
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: gunman grabbed underwear from a nearby display and placed it
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: over the women's heads, likely to keep them from seeing
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: him or from seeing each other, which he had already
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: been there for a while. So I really don't understand that,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: but okay. Two additional women entered the store, unaware of
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: what was unfolding beyond the sales floor. One of those
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: women was Connie Woolfolk, who had just finished her manicure
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and was glancing around for a dress suitable for a
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: girl's night out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: The gunman quickly turned his attention to them, forcing them
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: at gunpoint towards the back of the store. But Connie Wolffolk,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: she fought back. She resists, and the response was immediate
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and violent. The gunman struck her in the face at
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: least once believed to be from the butt of the hanggun.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: She was left bruised and bleeding. Ever before he forced
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: her into the back room. There, the final two women
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: were bound with duct tape and clothing just like the others,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: in order to lie face down on the floor. By
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: now six women were restrained together in that back room.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: That horrifies me, the thought of just tomorrow's Saturday, or no,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: this second is going to be sorry tomorrow's buddy, But
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: and you're going to be in a store and it
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: could happen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the most horrifying part of the whole
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: story really. Now, nearly forty minutes had passed since the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: gunman first walked into the store. What had initially appeared
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to be a controlled robbery began to unravel. He was
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: starting to lose his composure, struggling to regain control after
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: bringing the last two hostages into the room, and in
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that moment, in the confusion, Rhoda McFarlane saw a chance
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: still Wearing her bluetooth headset, Rhoda quietly activated her phone
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and dialed nine to one one. The call reached the
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Will County Sheriff's Department and was quickly transferred to Tinley
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Park Police, who had jurisdiction. Authorities have never released the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: full audio, but we do have a part of it
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: for you, guys.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Line stand the line, let me get to the Tilly Park,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: don't hang up. It appears that the gunman noticed because
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: just moments after that call. After that call was made,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the situation escalated as he then opened fire on the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: six women, shooting them one by one, execution style. For
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: five of the women, death was immediate, but one woman survived.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The part time employee, Martha, who had opened the store
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that morning alongside Rhoda, turned her head at the final second,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the bullet grazed her neck instead of striking her fatally.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: She went still. She played dead, and she remained there, bound,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: injured and surrounded by silence, as the gunman fled the store.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: The police responds that morning was swift, almost unnervingly so.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: When rhodamc Farland whispered Laine Bryant into her bluetooth head set,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: help was already close. An officer happened to be just
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: a few hundred feet away, sitting in the parking lot
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: of the neighboring Target. Within one minute he was at
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the store. The officer entered cautiously, weapon drawn, sweeping through
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the quiet store when he found what he found in
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the back room would haunt Tinley Park forever. Five women
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: lying motionless on the floor and one who was still breathing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: In a minute, I mean, that's unheard of, that's unheard of.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Within minutes, the store filled with flashing lights and first
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: responders paramedics rushed in desperately trying to save lives. But
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: for Roda McFarland, Sarah Saaranski, Carriechusso, Jennifer Bishop, and Connie Wolffolk,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it was already too late. All five were pronounced dead
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: at the scene. Sorry, guys, now, I told you all
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to need your clean exits. Okay, it's just ugh.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: As words spread, Tinley Park police were joined by officers
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: from surrounding cities and counties. The entire Brookside Marketplace shopping
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: center was locked down. Lane, Bryant, Target, Pet Smart restaurants
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: all became part of an expanding crime scene. Witnesses later
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: described officers moving through nearby businesses with hands on their holsters,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: searching aisles and back rooms, prepared to encounter the gunman
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: hiding anywhere.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how like scary that scene was
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: for everyone.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I'm scared and this we're just covering it. I mean,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In the chaos, police detained a man named Sean
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Tias who was sitting in a car in the Target
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: parking lot. Officers excuse me, examined the soles of his
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: shoes and repeatedly asked him excuse me, wouldn't be a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: new show the year I plumben didn't have a lama
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: birp okay sorry. They questioned him about beads in his hair,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the same beads witnesses had described on the gunmen. Sean
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: had answers for them, though he had arrived after the shooting.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: He was waiting for his girlfriend, who was shopping inside Target.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: He had no weapon, no beads, removed, no connection at all,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and after more than an hour he was cleared. Like
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the women inside Lane Bryant, Sean Tyas had simply been
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: in the wrong place at the wrong time.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, over the next several years or sorry, guys,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that came through. Over the next
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: several hours, police deployed a helicopter to scour the surrounding area.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Officers searched a nearby retention pond, hoping to find a
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: discarded gun. Every lead was chased, but the reality was harsh.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: The shopping center just sat off Interstate eighty, a straight
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: shot out of town, out of the county, and potentially
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: out of state. Whoever committed this crime could have vanished
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: within minute. Guys, that's exactly what appears to have happened.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: As the investigation expanded, so did the scope of the search.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: According to reporting at the time, police were even said
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to be looking at for the shooter as far away
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: as South Haven, Michigan, suggesting investigators believed he may have
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: fled the state shortly after the attack.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, the woman, known
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: publicly only as Martha, was treated at the scene, shot
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: in the neck but alive. She was rushed to a
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: local hospital, where doctors stabilized her and quietly released her
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the following day, But freedom for her wasn't immediate because
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: she was the only eyewitness to what happened inside that
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: back room. Police made the decision to place her in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: protective custody, not just for her safety, but for the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: safety of her loved ones. Investigators feared the gunman could
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: attempt retaliation if he believed she could identify him. Yeah, right, Like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I can't even try, just to put myself in her shoes.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: She's a fucking hero. You let me tell you what.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: For weeks, Martha lived under police protection, isolated from a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: normal life, while trying to process what she had survived.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: During that time, she spoke with the investigators again and again.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: She described the gunman's appearance in painstaking detail, the way
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: he moved to the store, the sound of his voice,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and the notable shift in his demeanor. As the situation
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: began to unravel, she walked through the ordeal minute by minute,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: helping them reconstruct exactly what happened inside Lane Bryant that morning.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Because no one else survived that back room, Martha's account
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: became the foundation of the entire case. Every composite sketch,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: every suspect comparison, every public facing description of the killer,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: all of it traced back to what she saw, heard,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and remembered.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Within days of the murders, police released an initial description
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: based largely on Martha's statements. The gunman was described as
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a medium complexion black man, approximately five foot nine, weighing
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: between two hundred and thirty and two hundred and ninety pounds.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: He was reported to have been wearing a waist length coat,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: a black knit cap, and dark jeans. Where did a
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: banner go? By the way, we do have a banner
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: here for information off anybody knows who we're talking about.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: He recognize his face, calls please. Over time, however, the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: description of the gunman subtly shift. Later reward posters would
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: list the suspect as at least six feet tall, a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: small but notable change, and one that underscored how heavily
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the case depended on the memory of a single traumatized survivor,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Like if she didn't like, oh my gosh, it would
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: literally know nothing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: They would know nothing, and that responsibility and you're going
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: through trauma and you want to forget this person. You
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to sit there and try to focus on Martha.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You are amazing. Martha had lived through the unimaginable and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in the absence of any other eyewitness. Her recollection, imperfect,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: human and shaped by terror, became the lens through which
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the public came to know the Lane Bryant killer. But
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: survival came of the cost. Martha wasn't just carrying her
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: own trauma. She was carrying the weight of being the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: last voice for five women who never got to tell
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: their story. And eventually she felt compelled to speak not
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to the public, but to the families who had lost everything.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: She wrote an open letter addressed to the loved ones
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of Rhoda mc fuh Karln, Sarah Stravanski, Carrie to So,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Bishop, and Connie Woolfolk. The letter was later delivered
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: to the press through the Tinley Park Police Department.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: In it, she expressed grief, sorrow, and an unimaginable kind
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: of survivor's guilt, knowing she had lived when five others
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: had not. It was not a statement seeking attention. It
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: was a woman trying to make sense of the impossible.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: This open letter read on Saturday, February second, an unspeakable
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: tragedy occurred, and five of the bravest women I have
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: ever met were senselessly murdered and taken from their families.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: My deepest sympathies and condolences go out to their families
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and friends. Please know that during the unfathomable events of
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: that day, their thoughts were focused on you in coming home.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: My heart aches that they were unable to do so,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and I am working with the authorities in any way
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: possible for all of the victims. I ask that the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: media please respect all of our families and allow us
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to grieve and cope privately with the horrific crime that
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: ripped our world's apart. I also asked that everyone respect
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that neither I nor my family can discuss the horrible
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: events of that day. I think everyone who has expressed
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: concern and ask that any person who can assist in
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the investigation contact the authorities immediately. And while Martha had
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: survived the gunman that morning, the road to had marked
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: by fear, trauma, and unanswered questions would prove to be
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: far more complicated.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Guys. And I also just want to say she did
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: not need to release an open letter. She spoke to
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: those families, And if anybody wants to say something for
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: her not coming forward, white your tongue, I.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know how more for where she needs
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to be. We don't need to know her.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: We don't need to know her name, we don't need
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to know we don't need what she's done. She survived
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that she did what she needed to do. She survived.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: From the very beginning, police were careful and consistent about
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: how they framed what had happened inside that lane Bryant.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Almost immediately, law enforcement described the shooting as a robbery
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: gone wrong. The same afternoon of the shooting, Sergeant TJ.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Grady at the Tinley Park Police Apartment told reporters that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: it appeared to be a robbery that had quote at
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: some point went rather poorly. You don't say it's like
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: you don't say, sir.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, what else do you say?
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Though? I say not shame in him? Because what else
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: could you say. Police repeatedly emphasized that this case was
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: extremely sensitive. They asked the public for patients, and they
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: declined to release many details, stating again and again that
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: key information needed to remain confidential in order to preserve
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the integrity of the investigation.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Behind the scenes, however, detectives were working through a
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: fundamental question. Was this personal Investigators began digging into the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: lives of all six women, searching for any connect that
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: might explain why these women had been targeted. They examined
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: family histories, work relationships, romantic partners, financial records, and past conflicts,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and what they found was nothing. These were not women
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: with criminal histories. They didn't have high risk lifestyles. None
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: were entangled in disputes that would reasonably escalate to mass murder.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Though I don't know what reasonable is, but yes, okay.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: They were retail workers, a nurse, a social worker, mothers, daughters, wives,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: and students.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Equally important. Investigators did not believe the woman recognized the gunmen.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: According to the survivor's account, the man remain unmasked throughout
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the whole, yet none of the women reacted as if
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: they knew him. There was no familiarity, no recognition, no
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: moments suggesting this was someone from their past. This gunman
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: also lingered inside the store for roughly forty minutes. Guys,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: forty minutes, which is an unusually long time for someone
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: committing a targeted personal attack. Father supporting the idea that
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: this wasn't about who they are.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I mean it was a public place too. You'd have
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: no idea how many people were going to come in
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: that morning.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you no idea. There could have been one,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: there could have been ten.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: There could have been several men coming in this all
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: women's store, like you no idea.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, which left investigators circling back to the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: explanation they had offered from the start robbery. The gunman
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: had demanded money from the register, as well as cash
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: from each woman's purse or wallet. He had taken visible jewelry.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: In total, he made off with roughly two hundred dollars
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: plus whatever jewelry he had collected on paper that supported
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a robbery motive, but over time, skeptics, including members of
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: the public, began raising questions.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: For example, Lane Bryant is not a cash heavy business.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Most customers pay with credit or debit cards, and the
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: clothing itself is relatively affordable. It's not really your ideal
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: place to rob This was not a high end boutique
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: and not a location known for large sums of money.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: And the timing matter. The gunman entered the store shortly
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: after it opened, around ten am. It's possible he believed
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: money from the previous day was still inside, but Lane
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Bryant made its deposits nightly, as many stores do, meaning
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: cash levels would have been minimal. And this guy, in
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: my opinion, this isn't the first time he done this,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: so he would know that this is not worth your
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: time at ten in the morning TV. These kind of
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: cojones to do what he did. Yeah, this is gonna
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: be his first time.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I'd six say, I don't see how it could be
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: his first time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: So investigators were left with a troubling contradiction. If this
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: was a robbery, it was a poorly chosen target, a
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: poorly chosen time that escalated into an act of extreme
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: and unnecessarily unnecessary violence.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Why didn't he just turn around and leave when he
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: heard the phone call? Right?
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Never covered his face.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Never covered his space. Never.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: But as the days turned into weeks and weeks and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: two months, the investigation stalled. There was no suspect, no arrest,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: no clear explanation. Up there's that sound God, I am
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: so jealous, so jealous. Okay, But like I said, there
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: was no explanation for why five women were executed and
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: one MILLI killed over what amounts to pocket change. I mean,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not Twitter dollars, isn't nothing, but it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: not five potentially sex lives. No, it's pocket change, which
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is why, more than almost two decades later, the question
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: isn't just who did this, it's why five women were
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: made to die in that way and that place over
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: almost nothing at all.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Now, there are some other motive theories where people believe
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: that the real motive was much more sinister. In this
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: interpretation of events, the Lane Brian shooting was not about money,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: or at least not primarily. Instead, the robbery functioned as
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: a cover, a socially recognizable explanation that allowed the gunmen
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: to enter the store, exert control and delay intervention while
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: he carried out something he had likely rehearsed in his
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: mind long before that morning. One of the strongest arguments
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: for this theory is the power and control dynamic present
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: throughout the crime. The gunman did not rush, he did
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: not grab what he could and fled. He stayed inside
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: inside the store for approximately forty minutes, calmly directing the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: moments of movements of the women, binding them, forcing them
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to the floor, and stripping them of their autonomy. This
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: kind of prolonged domination is rarely necessary in a robbery,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: but it is central to crimes driven by control, humiliation,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: and psychological power.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I think money was secondary, but the interpretation is feather
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: supported by this sexualized elements of the crime. While no
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: sexual assault occurred in the traditional sense, the offender reportedly
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: made unwanted sexual contact, placed underwear over the woman's heads,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: and let them bound, face down and defenseless. Sexual violence
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: does not require intercourse. Okay, people, I'm going to say
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that again. Sexual violence does not require intercourse. Degradation, exposure
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: in fear can be just as integral to an offender's gratification.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: It's about power, people, It's about control. These actions suggest
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: a desire not just to restrain the women, but to
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: dehumanize them. The gunman arrived prepared, carrying duct tape and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: a firearm in using a ruse to gain trust.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Victims appeared interchangeable, suggesting that the location and circumstances mattered
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: more than the individuals themselves.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: He doesn't like me, that's one of the theories. So
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: this supports the idea that the offender did not target
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: these women personally, rather selected a setting that would reliably
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: provide access to vulnerable victims. Vulnerable victims privacy and time
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: the Lane Bryan store wasn't chosen randomly, it was chosen strategically.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: This theory also accounts for the sudden shift in the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: gunman's behavior. According to the survivor, he initially appeared calm
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: and control, but over time his demeanor changed. Resistance from
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: one of the women, Connie Wolfolk, the length of the incident,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: and ultimately the realization that a nine to one point
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: one call had been made, may have triggered a loss
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: of control. Can't have those women overpowering me, can we?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: And crimes rooted in dominance that loss can be in tolerable,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: and when control slips, violence often escalates rapidly rather than improvisation.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: The execution style shootings may have represented a final assertion
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: of power because they broke the fantasy. In my opinion,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: they messed up his.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Another troubling layer to this theory is the possibility that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the victims were targeted because they were women.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Because let's all be real, a woman's clothing store insured
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: female victims workers, even if there was no customers. The
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: humiliation aspects of the crime were gendered. The offender appeared
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: comfortable exerting prolonged control over women specifically familiarity. While not personal,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: This suggests that the violence may have been motivated by misogyny, resentment,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: or a desire to punish women as a group rather
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: than any one individually.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Marav asked, is there an each progression version of the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: smoke shot? Not that I could find. Yeah, this is
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: a much better one than they originally had. But well,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: you'll see later. But as far as I know that
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: this is the most recent one that they have, I agree.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Let's try to get some age progression ones. We do
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: have the technology. I think this one was from like
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: ten years ago, mate, I.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Mean, which is still great technology. It's still great, but
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: we've got the technology.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we'll see later. We do bring up a slide.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: They actually did this in all different types of hair,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: facial hair, all sorts of options they've put out of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: what this man may look like. So, yes, you're welcome.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: You are welcome. So finally, some believe the offender may
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: have been familiar with the store itself. He seemed confident
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: in its layout, knew where to take the victims, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: was aware of staffing patterns. This doesn't mean that he
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: knew the women, but it suggests he may have visited before,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: observed the environment, or even rehearsed the scenario mentally. That
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: familiarity would help explain both his comfort level and his
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: willingness to remain inside the store for such an extended period.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Taken together, these elements form a chilling alternative explanation, and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: if that is true, it reframes the crime entirely, not
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: as a moment of panic, not as a crime of opportunity,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: but as something far more deliberate and far more disturbing.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I mean guys, chain stores. He could have gone to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: a different Lane Bryant location and seen that it was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: probably set up the same way. That is scary. As
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the investigation stalled in Leeds failed to materialize, the focus
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: is inevitably shifted away from the man who had taken
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: five lives and back to the women whose lives had
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: been taken. In the days following the shooting, a one
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars reward was announced for information leading to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the gunman's arrest. Half of that amount was donated by
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Lane Bryant's parent company, Charming Shops Incorporated, in an effort
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to encourage chips and bring some measure of accountability to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a case already slipping into uncertainty, But even as law
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: enforcement searched for answers, there was an immediate recognition that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: something else mattered just as much.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: That's right. On February sixth, two thousand and eight, Lane
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Bryant announced the creation of the Lane Bryant Timley Park
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Memorial Fund, established in honor of the five women who
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: had been killed. The company also offered to cover the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: costs of the victim's funerals, ensuring that their families would
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: not bear that burden in the midst of unimaginable grief.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: For the public, these gestures marked a turning point. The
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: story was no longer just about an unsolved crime. It
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: became about remembrance, about honoring five women whose lives were full,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: active and ongoing until they were abruptly cut short, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: one by one, communities gathered to say goodbye. And this
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: is where you're going to need your Cleenexes.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: You guys, gets you, And I'm going to just say,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a company stepping up to do that is the right
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: thing to do. Okay, guys, I've gotten the Kleenex, and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just be honest. I've been dreading this
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: part so I'm jealous that you're drinking wine. Sorry, it's okay.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: In the hours after the shooting, Roda McFarlane's family waited
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: at the Tinley Park Police station, praying for her safe return.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: They already feared the truth, having seen her van on
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: the news, but nothing could prepare them for the confirmation.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: To most of the world, Roda was just one of
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the five women whose lives were taken that fateful February
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: day inside the Lane Bryant store. But to those who
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: loved her, and there were many, Roda was never defined
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: by the way her life ended. In the days that followed,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: tributes poured in videos of Roda preaching, laughing and hugging,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: messages of grief and faith filled comment sections and memorial pages.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Roda was forty two years old, newly engaged to our fiance,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: a steward, and standing at the beginning of what should
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: have been a joyful new chapter. Instead, within days of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: her death, friends, family and community members gathered to say goodbye,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: not just once, but again and again, as if no
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: single service could fully contain the impact she had made.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: A public memorial was held in Crest Hill, the same
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: town where Rhoda had once served as pastor. Her preaching
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: was passionate and personal, often punctuated by one line she
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: repeated again and again, whenever I leave this world, I
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: will leave empty, and she meant it. Thank you for
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: the five gifted members ship's chamis they dream us that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: appreciate them, saying we'll acknowledge it later. I just wanted
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: to let you know that we saw itself, no appreciate it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: More than eight hundred people filled the Word of Life Church,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: packing the pews and standing along the walls. Reverend Tim
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Bagwell addressed the crowd with the reminder that would echo
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: throughout the days that followed. Her death has the ability
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: to overshadow her life, and that should not be She
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: should not be remembered as a victim. That sentiment shaped
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: everything that came next. Rhodei's funeral drew hundreds more, including
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: at least a dozen preachers from the Joliet area where
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: she grown up. The service carried a celebratory tone. Celebratory
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: tone not because the grief was small, but because her
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: faith was enormous. Stories were shared of her infectious smile,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: her dynamic preaching, and her uncanny ability to show up
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: exactly when someone needed.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Her that's right. Though it had been her day off,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Rhoda had gone into work that Saturday morning to simply help.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Quote she volunteered this time last week to go in
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: and help. Reverend James Hamilton told mourners, this reminds me
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: of someone, and his name is Jesus. Her casket was
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: draped in an American flag, honoring her service in the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: US Air Force, and nearby Collaja photographs captured her life
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: in motion, preaching, laughing, hugging friends, and mentoring young girls.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Look at that pretty smile she had, like she was
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: up to something. Her friend Larry Crawford said, she was
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: a person of grace.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Her smile is a smile you just can't now that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: everybody has seen it. If those that are watching you
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: will never forget that smile.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Rota poured herself into the people around her. She didn't
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: have children of her own, but she became a mentor
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: and a surrogate mother to countless young girls through a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: program she found it called Princesses Unveiled, teaching everything from
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: etiquette and self worth to crafts and financial literacy. She
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: was just a giving person in every manner of the word.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Her friend Anthony Franklin said. After stepping away from full
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: time ministry to expand Princess Unveiled, Roda took the job
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: at Lane Bryant, a role that gave her flexibility and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: unexpectedly fulfillment. Even there, she found ways to help others,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: using that employee discount to purchase clothing for people in need.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: We all need to be like Rhoda.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, we all need a little to be a
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: little bit more like Rooda.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I agree. A gosh. Barbara McFarland believes that even in
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: her final moments, her daughter remained who she had always been. Quote.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: We know that before she took her last breath, she
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: said something to her killer. She said she may have
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: prayed for him, she might have given him a word
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: of encouragement, but she said something, and it's going to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: work on his mind. In just forty three years, Rhoda
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: McFarland lived a life of service, faith and relentless generosity,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: and those who loved her are determined to remember her
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: not for the violence that took her before, the compassion
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: she left behind. And she definitely, like I said, makes
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: me want to be a better person. All these women
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: made me want to be a better person. I'll be honest,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: but Rooda.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Amazing, absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. Carrie Hudak Chousseau the kind
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: of person people remember for the way she made them fill.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: She was warm, present and steady, someone who showed up
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: quietly and consistently and somehow made everything around her better
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: without ever asking for recognition. The day Carrie was killed
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be simple. She was running errands, stopping
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: by the bank, picking up gifts from family, grabbing a
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: shawl at Lane Bryant before heading to a child's birthday party.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: After that, she and Tony planned to spend the day
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: together in Chicago, shopping on Michigan Avenue and meeting friends
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: for dinner, a rare day off but a normal day.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: She called Tony to say she was heading to Lane Bryant.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: That was the last time he heard her voice. Hers
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: so hard too, They're all so hard. When the call
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: came from a coworker instead telling him about the shooting,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Tony tried calling Carrie over and over. She didn't answer.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: The best day of his life had been their wedding day,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: and that Saturday became the worst. Carrie's death sent shockwaves
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: shockwaves through her family and her school. Her brother Mike Utick,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: spoke about the daily twelve fifteen pm phone calls they shared,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: usually just short lunchtime check ins, though with advice, laughter,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: and celebrity gossip. Just twelve hours after Carrie was killed,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Mike's daughter was born and they named her Carrie. Sorry,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Within twenty four I mean twelve hours, thirteen hours loose
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: her sister friend and then you're also okay, Well, come
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a dad, you know.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Oh it's heartbreaking, just heartbreaking. Told you all this tough.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Her funeral at Saint Joseph's Catholic Church was the first
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: held for the Lane Brian victims. More than five hundred
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: people filled the pews. There were few dry eyes. I mean,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: we can vouch for that. Ours sure as hell. An
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: dry right now, tongue to make sure I don't fall right,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: A choir sang from the balcony. Students, colleagues, friends and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: family gathered to say goodbye to a woman who had
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: been so much of herself to others.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: As a social worker at Homewood Phlosmore High School, her
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: office was known as a safe place, a haven for
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: students who were struggling angry, overwhelmed, or simply unsure where
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: they fit. Carrie had a gift for meeting students where
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: they were. She didn't judge people, she judged behavior. She
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: balanced empathy with accountability, and students trusted her because of it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Minnie credited her with changing and in some cases, saving
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: their lives. Principal Von Mansfille captured it perfectly at her
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: memorial when he said, where people are ordinary, Carrie puts
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: extra in front of ordinary. She quietly was a part
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of all that we do. Students spoke through tears. One
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: sophomore said Carrie had saved his life and helped him
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: control his anger. Three young women from the Delta program
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: gave a eulogy together, you brightened up the darkest day.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: One said your laugh was like music to me. This
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: man impacted so many people by taking these beautiful lives.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Harry Chooseo didn't just leave behind grief, She
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: left behind impact. Her family began raising money through an
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: annual Will Carrie Fest, driven by the belief that lost
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: could not be the final chapter. Quote, this couldn't be it.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: This is not just goodbye and just move on. Carrie's brother,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Mike Kudak later said the funds raised in Carrie's name
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: have since paid for multiple scholarships, supporting students not only
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: to four year colleges, but also to trade schools past
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: that reflected the realities and hopes of the students. She
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: once served.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Scholarships in her name an annual Carrie Fest fundraiser, students
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: who graduated because she believed in them when no one
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: else did, a husband who adored her, a family forever changed.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: She went into that store as as shopper, just another
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: woman running errands on a Saturday morning, but she is
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: remembered as so much more. A counselor, a coach, a wife,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: a sister, a friend, and a quiet force for good
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: whose absence is still deeply, deeply felt. And in telling
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: her story, we remember what was taken, not just a life,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: but a light.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Oh I hate this guy so much.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I hope he's suffering.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Sarah Zafranski was the youngest of the five women killed
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: at the Lane Bryan's store, just twenty two years old.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: You had a picture, Amy, you don't know where it is.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: It's okay, oh okay. Everyone who knew Sarah described her
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: in the same way, loving bubbly, smart, and kind. She
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: was the type of person whose smile came easily and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: whose future felt wide open. In a statement released after
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: her death, her family captured both their heartbreak and who
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Sarah was at her core, quote, our emotions are wrong
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: and we are still in shock. There is nothing adequate
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: anyone can say at a time like this. Sarah was
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: loved by all who knew her, and we are counting
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: on that love to sustain us while we more. She
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: was twenty two, her life was just beginning.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Funeral at Samian Turk Church in Oak Forest drew more
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: than two hundred members. The church was filled with grief
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: for a life cut brutally short. Reverend Michael Meanie remembered
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Sarah as an honorable student even in our early school years,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: someone who had been thoughtful, engaged, and kind long before adulthood.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: She was probably into a lot in this world and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: didn't get the chance. One of her favorite song, You
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Are My Sunshine, played during the service. Much of the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: congregation broke down in tears. Gosh friends of the family
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: struggled to make sense of what happened. One woman summed
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: it up simply and painfully. She was just an innocent bystander.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: This whole thing is just senseless.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I can't think of stronger words to say.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: No, it makes it, There is no sense for it.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: It's you know, that word senseless came up again and again.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Sarah hadn't gone into the store for anything extraordinary. She
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: wasn't involved in the robbery, she wasn't targeted. She was
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: just there and in an instant, everything she could have
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: been was taken away. But Sarah's story didn't end with
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: her death. Her family made the decision to turn their
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: grief into something that would help others. Donations made and
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Sarah's name were used to establish scholarships for Oak Forest
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: High School students, a way to honor a young woman
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: who had valued education and excelt in it. Sarah's family
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: planned to give out fifteen hundred dollars scholarships until the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: funds ran out, quietly associated with Opportunity, Education and Hope
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: for those that have received scholarships in Sarah's honor. For them,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: the money wasn't just financial help, it was a responsibility. Quote,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like I have to step up my game.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: When recipient said you had to live up to her
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: and everything she accomplished.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: A park bench and oak forest now bears her name,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: a physical reminder of the youngest victim and of a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: life post too soon. In another statement, our family reflected
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: on the unbearable weight of what was lost. She had
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: her whole life in front of her, and it was
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: senselessly taken away. We think about the things that could
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: and should have been but are not.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Sara s.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Servanski should be remembered not just as a victim, but
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: as a bright, driven young woman, a daughter, a student,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: a graduate, a friend whose kindness and potential were unmistakable.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Her life mattered, and through the scholarships, the memories and
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the people she continues to inspire, her life still echoes forward,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: even in her absence.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I think her parents doing that. It's just beautiful. It
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: is beautiful thing, you know. Next is Jennifer Jenny Bishop,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: who is thirty four years old at the thirty four
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I am forty. Oh my gosh, okay, thirty four years
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: old at the time of her death. Her family asked
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: that in lieu of flowers, donations being made to the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Bishop Children's Education Fund, a reflection of what mattered most
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: to her, her children and their future. Jinny worked in
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: the intensive care unit a Memorial Hospital of South Bend,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: a Level two trauma center, where she routinely cared for
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: patients experiencing the most severe medical emergencies. Her colleagues were
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: accustomed to treating gunshot victims in violent trauma, but this
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: time the laws hit far closer to home.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Memorial Hospital is a Level two trauma center, said the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: hospital administrative supervisor, Nancy Pemberton. These nurses take care of
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: gunshot victims, the worst of the worst, but when it's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: one of your own, it's unbelievable. The intensive care nurses
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: are in a state of shock, in total disbelief. Pemperpritton
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: described Jinny as an exceptional nurse because she was so
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: very caring of everyone, adding simply, she had beautiful eyes.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: And smile and smile. I'm like her smile is.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Others echoed the same sentiment that she was not only
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: a skilled professional, but a deeply compassionate human being.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: At her service. The only family member to speak publicly
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: was her sister, Michelle Tellos. She urged those gathered not
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: to give in to the weakness of the world, to
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: live in the strengthening love of God. She described February second,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight as a quote a horrible, unfair day,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: an attack on the dignity of human life, while also
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: acknowledging the remarkable women whose lives had been lost.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Jenny's husband, Brian would later speak candidly about grief and survival.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Now raising their three children on his own, he said,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: you have to come to terms with what reality is.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: The reality is she is gone. You don't look too
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: far back or too far forward.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: She's just had a six month baby. Brian.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Part of that process included returning to the Lane Bryant
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: store alone one year after the murders. Going back to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: the store for a little while was haunting. He said,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: there's something strangely comforting and oddly eerie about that location.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: In the years since, Jenny's legacy has continued through though
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: she's inspired. A nursing scholarship bearing her name is awarded
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: annually to students balancing family life with career aspirations, a
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: reflection of the life Jenny herself lived. Former KO workers
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: remember her has spirited, spunky, incredibly intelligent, and fiercely devoted
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: to both her patients and her family. Though time has passed,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the pain has not disappeared, but neither has the impact
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: she's made. Jennifer Jenny Bishop is remembered not for how
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: she died before how foolly she lived, caring for the sick,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: loving her children, and showing up every day for the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: people who needed her most. And I would say spirited
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: and spunky. It's a perfect capulation of her photo, Like
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: that's oh my.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Gosh, yes, book, you get that. You're like, oh, that
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: person's guy. Spirited and spunky.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she seems lovely and fun and uh, I'm sure
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: her children. I hope her and her husband Brian is yeah,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: doing well, crazy the best.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: They can and working with those kind of victims. As
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: a nurse, that's the worst of the worst. You're dealing
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: with life and death. Yeah, and seconds. I mean that
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: it's a lot to take on daily. So that says
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: she was a special person. Yeah. Connie Wolfolk was a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: devoted mother, a public servant, and the steady heart of
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: her family. The Lord gave her a special child and
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: she never wavered about taking care of him. Her mother
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: in law, Mildred Rodriguez said, she never wavered. I love this.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: She was short, that she was mighty. Milton Rodrigus said,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: when anyone came up against her. They came up against
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: a brick wall.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: That's right. Remember it was Connie stood up to this gunman. Yeah,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: So she was mighty. When Connie's father, sixty two year
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: old Melvin Wolfolk, learned what had happened, he said, his
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: knees buckled. She was just a loving person who would
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: help anybody. Nobody deserved what happened.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: No more than a thousand people gathered in country Club
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: Hills to honor Connie's life, including elected officials, co workers,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: family members, and friends. The size of the crowd spoke
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: of volumes. Quote. Usually when you walk into a funeral,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: you are surprised that there are so many people, said
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: co worker Mattie Tyson. I'm not surprised there are so
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: many people here. Today, those who knew Connie remembered her smile,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: her strength, and the way she held her family together.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: She enjoyed family trips to the Wisconsin Dells and was
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: described repeatedly as the heart of her family.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: All of these women had amazing smiles.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Her brother, Aaron Wolfolk, later shared the deeper weight of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: her loss, coming just three years after the death of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: his best friend once again, the family was thrown into greed.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Connie left behind two sons, a mother, a father, siblings, cousins,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: and a community still struggling to understand how such a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: life could be taken so suddenly. But Connie Wolfolk is
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: not remembered for how she died. She is remembered for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: how fiercely she lived, for her children, for her community,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: and for everyone who crossed her path and felt her warmth.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: She remains loved, she remains remembered, and she remains as
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: her family and friends describe her, a woman of strength, devotion,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: and an unbreakable heart.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Now, in every story like this, there is a natural
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: pull towards endings, towards getting answers, arrest, and just as
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: neatly wrapped in a bow. But the truth is not
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: every case gives us that, And sometimes the most important
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: part of the story isn't how it ends, it's who
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: is left behind. Martha never intended to be the last
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: voice in that room. She went to work that morning
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: expecting a normal Saturday, folding clothes, greeting customers, counting the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: hours until the end of her shift. Instead, she was
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: shot dead and forced to make a split second decision
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: that would save her.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Life, and when she survived, she inherited something unimaginable. She
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: became the only person who could tell the world what
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: happened inside that back room. In the days, weeks, and
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: years that followed, Martha gave investigators everything she could, details
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: about the gunman's voice, his movements, his shifting demeanor. She
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: helped reconstruct the timeline that no one else could offer.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Her memory became the backbone of the investigation, the foundation
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: for composite sketches, suspect descriptions, and public appeals. And then quietly,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: she stepped away. She chose anonymity and privacy. She chose
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: to live the rest of her life outside the shadow
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: of what was done to her. That choice was not
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: a weakness, It was survival.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Martha carried trauma most of us can't even begin to imagine.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: I know I can't survivor's guilt, fear, grief, and the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: heavy knowledge that five women died beside her. She bore
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: that weight while asking for nothing in return, no fame,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: no spotlight, no recognition, just the chance to live true crime.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: We often focus on killers, their motives, their movements, their faces,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: but this case reminds us why that focus can never
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: be the whole story, because the most powerful figure in
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: this tragedy isn't the man who pulled the trigger. It's
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: the woman who lived and still lives with the truth.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: Martha's survival matters, her voice matters, and her choice to
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: protect her own future deserves as much respect as her
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: bravery in that back room. Until this case is solved,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: until the man responsible is named, her story remains a
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: quiet act of courage at the center of an unanswered crime,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: and she is not forgotten.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: A one hundred thousand dollars reward still stands for the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: information leading to the cases investigation, and unlike many others,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: this reward is not dependent on.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Conviction, which is a big deal.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: That's a big deal. If you have any information, no
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: matter how big or small, about the murders that took
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: place on Saturday, February second, two thousand and eight, at
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Elaine Bryant's store in Tenley Park, Illinois, or if you
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: recognize this man you even think he looks familiar, please
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: contact the Tinley Park Police Department tip line at seven
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: zero eight four four four three nine four, or you
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: can send an email to Lanebryant dot tip line at
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Tinleypark dot Org.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Excellent. We had all those different composite sketches they have
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: of him. I mean, he's older probably now, but like
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: I hope wherever he is, it's awful, it's painful, it's terrific.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: It's most likely he probably already has a criminal record,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: either before definitely after probably I hope he's I would say,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: getting beat up every day. Well with that, let's how
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: do we know how old he might be? Now? We don't.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: This happened in two thousand and eight, so even if
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: he was twenty at the youngest, he'd be thirty eight now,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't. There wasn't really an age. I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: don't think. I want to say. It was very vague.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: It was like twenty five to forty or something.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, looking at him, I can't give you an age.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with he's not as young as
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: people might think he is because he had to have
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: had like the work experience to pretend to be a
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: delivery driver. He knew what the job of a delivery
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: driver meant. He was a delivery driver before exactly. I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's been to Lane Bryant stores, but
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: he was so comfortable in that role that he had
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: had had to have done it a long time. So
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with he's at least probably mid
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: twenties and higher at least is what I think. I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: probably guess they're probably in his thirties. I think he
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: looks in his thirties. Yeah, but you know, I don't
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: know if people like different, so I think that they could. Yeah,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he'd still be what in between his forties,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: late thirties to late sixties, do we know?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: I know police hasn't given information, and looking at the research,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing if they have DNA.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: They have not mentioned, like literally everything that's in her
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: thing is all that's out there. They have kept everything
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: so quiet. I also think it a way too also,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: let me tell you what I really do admire. I know,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: we hate when they keep stuff away from us. It's
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: important for the investigation, but protecting Martha the way that
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: they have is and not just them, the media as well.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: The media collectively came together and said and said, no,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna You know, this was two thousand and eight.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Social media was a thing, but barely but that literally
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: could have been a difference in her life between later's her.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: So no, he's still out there and g pair of
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: bonds listening. Reach out to Tinley Park Police and if
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: they have DNA, do your thing where you take that
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: DNA and you give us the sketch I did hear.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I was watching a recap not a recap, but like
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: a news blurb on Monday, because that was the eighteenth anniversary,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: eighteen year anniversary, right, and this Tinsley Park Police Department
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: they've been now eligible for like federal aid, which is
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: going to open up resources for you know, technology and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: things like that. So I would you know, there is
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: always hope. I know, it's been eighteen years. Look at
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: what happened with the yogurt shop.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Murders, Terry, the yogurt shop murders.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: You covered that case last year. We didn't know and
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: then boom it finally you know.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: The yogurt shop murders I covered within the first five
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: episodes when I started this podcast in the very beginning,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: and then we did it again at a live show,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: and guys, it happens. And we look at technology, DNA,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: places like Parabond, look at the Golden State killer. I mean,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: if they've got it, and they're getting the fat. I mean, unfortunately, guys,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. Well there's not a guarantee,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: but if they it's some fun.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Thing I'm worried about with DNA is that it's freaking
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: February in Chicago. Do you know what most people are
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: wearing in February in Chicago when you're a delivery person
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: going in and out? Gloves?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: But now that would be weird touch DNA.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe I don't know. I mean I know
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: they can, but like, we just don't know.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: He had gloves on in the store.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they if you're a delivery driver, you're
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: in and out of the elements all the time. Oh
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: you're like yeah, because you're just running in and out,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: you're not going to put them back. I mean, if
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: you have the right.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: I don't remember where I live.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: I know that's true, that's true.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Remember where I live. I'm like going, astar, Why would
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: you go in the store with your gloves because you're
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: just going right back out.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're they're like work gloves, so they have
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: like grip and stuff. You know, like whatever if I do,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: you don't We don't know whether he was wearing gloves
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: or not. But that is a possibility. That could mean
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: there isn't any But yes, Betty was touched DNA. I
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: mean no, but they could still collect the DNA and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: it would apply to them if we don't. We literally
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: all we've shared with you tonight is all the publicadoes. Yeah,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: so that's that's true too. Mar sniffles from a cold. See.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if whether or not he wore gloves, because
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: here's what I bet you they did do. He wasn't
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: wearing gloves. They probably you know how he was standing
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: out like the register talking to Ron wrote out his hand,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: put his hands all over that shit minutes. You would
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: take your gloves off if you're in this minute. But
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like this man, based on us covering a
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: lot of true crime, doesn't mean it's true. But have
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: something in the system. I mean, you just don't do this.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: You just don't do this and do nothing before or
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: do anything after.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Unless he did it in a small town and they
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: didn't have great police officers and they didn't collect it.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've covered cases where they don't collect anything.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully something comes to give their family's answers
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: on what happened to their truly beautiful loved ones. Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: I don't like you, guys. I don't like looking at it. No,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: I take a stupid face down. But it's probably important
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: case somebody recom in case somebody reckon.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: And I mean, guys, the smallest of tips you what
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: you don't know. And I've learned from just trying to
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: investigate a case in helping on it. I have all
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: of these little threads, I just need one little piece.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: They could tie it together.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think someday we will get answers.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is that there are no security cameras
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: in the store in two thousand and freaking eight, Are
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: you kidding me?
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: A lot of women's clothing stores that were like that,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: they didn't have them in the main store because women,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be watched when you're looking at clothes,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: and because there was the big uproar I think it
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: was fully is that they had the two way mirrors.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: And in Texas we had a big deal because somebody
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: had a camera behind it.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: So gross.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Lady and Gray, if you know something, say something.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: And that's the other thing he told a girlfriend he
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: could have been married to somebody, you're broke up. Now
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: he wronged you. What I want to tell them? Look
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: at how the police have protected Martha exactly. That's you
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: think if you have information, they're not going to protect you.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: This police department has proven, at the very minimum, they
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: can protect.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: This person for eighteen years.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Eighteen years.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows this woman's name literally, So like.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: A lot of people say, I don't trust the cops,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: they won't keep me. If they tell you, they will
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: keep it because you could be injured. Look at what
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: they've done for her.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: M h. I mean somebody out there knows something, whether
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: they know they know it or not. Right, you know,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: I don't you know who knows? Or maybe maybe this
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: man who had it out for women could be a
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: fucking man and turn himself in do my.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Thing for once in your life. Maybe you're married and
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: you have kids, sir, what kind of that you want
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: to be? I don't like him at all? So why
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: don't you tell me you're all right?
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: Well let's get into our closing thoughts. We can take
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: a stupid face down I don't like him and listen.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: So they originally had we saw the basic sketches earlier
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: that Martha provided, which was the best. I think this
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: one came several years later, maybe like twenty fourteen or
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: something like that. This is like a three D rendering.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: This is the closest that they think they can get
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: to what this guy looks like based on Martha's memory,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: which is still impeccable. I know it looks weird, but
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: I bet if they catch this guy, it's gonna look
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: exactly like this guy.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Right. So, and I think also people don't need to
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: remember that this is a woman who was severely traumatized.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: A bullet grazed your.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Head, well, no, she was shot in the neck.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Well she was shot that she just turned her head.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Think about what that does to your memory, and then
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: having to relive it, go over every second of the day,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: and relive it over and over with the police.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: That's if Martha can do it, you can too. Yeah
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, all right. So for a closing thoughts, mine's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: a little kind of It's not rant, it's very thoughtful.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: I did write this episode. I'm sorry if I made
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: everybody cry, including myself. I made myself cry a lot.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: So I have to learn to just bite your tongue
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: and then you won't cry. What bite your tongue and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: you won't cry? Trust me, I've got bloo in my mouth.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: Oh do you have to bite it that hard?
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Yes? To keep from crying on camera again. Oh okay,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: Well you do this to me over and over and over.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I had to learn.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. No. So my closing thoughts for tonight is
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: that what happened inside of that lane Bryant's store has
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: never been explained in a way that satisfies the heart.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: We can analyze motives, we can debate theories, we can
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: study timelines, suspect descriptions, behavioral patterns, but none of that
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: changes the most uncomfortable truth at the center of this story,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: and that's five ordinary women woke up on a Saturday
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: morning expecting a normal day and never came home wrote
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: up to help. Sarah went to prepare for her future.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Carrie went to find something to wear for dinner, Ginny
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: went to use a birthday card while her husband worn'd,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: and Connie went to treat herself before a night out.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: There was no warning, no decisions they could have made differently,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: no moment where they should have known. No Their lives
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: intersected for less than an hour, bound together by chance
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: and then by tragedy. And Martha, the woman who survived,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: has carried the memory of that room for nearly two decades,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: a living reminder that survival is not the same as escape.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: She walks through a world the others never got to
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: grow open, holding pieces of a story that still has
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: no ending. And I think this case unsettles us because
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: it challenges a belief most of us quietly rely on,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: and that's that ordinary places are safe, that routines protect us,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: that evil has a reason we can point to and understand.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: But sometimes violence doesn't come with logic. Sometimes it leaves
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: silence where answers should be. So maybe the purpose of
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: this case isn't just to ask who did this? Maybe
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: it's to remember who they were. Five women whose lives
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: were defined by service, love, family, faith, ambition, and care
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: for others, not by the worst thing that happened to them.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: A manager who showed up for her day off, a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: new graduate starting her career, a counselor who saved students,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: a nurse who saved lives, and a mother who had
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: never stopped fighting for her children. They were lives in motion,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: with futures that were unfolding and their stories still being written.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: They are not headlines, they are not statistics, and they
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: are not just a mystery waiting to be solved. And
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: somewhere that man who ended these stories knows exactly what
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: he did, and the rest of us are left with
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: memory and the and with the hope that one day
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: silence will be replaced with accountability. And until then, we
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: all say their names, and we tell their stories, and
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: we refuse to let the world forget that they were here. Sorry. No.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: What gets me the most about this story is how
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: ordinary that day was for those women. They weren't doing
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: anything risky, you know, they were doing Eron's going to work,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: and they weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: and the way people like to frame those stories, right,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: they were at work, they were in a store, they
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: were going shopping. It was the middle of the you know,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: middle of the morning, and somehow that's still wasn't enough
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: to keep them safe. But I also can't shake the
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: feeling that someone has known the truth for a long
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: time besides him, not a theory, you know, the truth,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: and they've chosen silence over doing the right thing, and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: that choice has consequences. Okay, it costs families years of
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: grief without answers, and it's adding to brutal crime. Okay,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: and that has remained to be unsolved or unresolved. What
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: they need to understand by not coming forward and telling
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: what they know, they are protecting this man. They are
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: just as bad. So it's cases like this that I
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to do, you know, even start a podcast. It's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: not for shock value, it's not for the head lines,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: but because these victims deserve to be talked about as people.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: You know, they're not just cases or numbers or headlines
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: from years ago. They mattered and they still matter. But
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: also guys to remind us it can happen on a
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: normal day. Be aware, be safe, be the one news
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: willing to call nine one one.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: That's right, do the right thing, Do the right thing.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Marav says, how do we know he was a deliverer?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: We don't. He posed as a deliberate driver. But I'm
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: going to go with how comfortable he felt in that
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: role playing?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Was it playing just a role? I mean, did he
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: practiced a lot that.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: He has some personal experience? Like you know, if you
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: ever do improv right, nobody really does. But if you do,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: like you're gonna go on stuff like that, you have
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: some sort of knowledge to like get the lie across, right,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: most lies are base stone true. So that's just my
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: personal theory that this man at some point in his
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: life was a delivery drival driver, maybe not to Lane
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Bryan specifically, enough enough that he knew what he should
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: look like, what he needed to carry, how his persona
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: needed to be, how to have casual conversation. You don't
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: know how to do that unless you've done it before.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: M h, I think, But that's just.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: Me so I agree. I mean, I worked in retell,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: I've taken you know, deliveries. I still wouldn't be able
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: to impersonate a delivery driver because I've been on the
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: other end of it. So that's why I feel the
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: same way.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: And Marath, you're right, even if the killer's dead by now,
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: even if you think that person is dead, please call
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: the tipline, okay, the yogurt shop murder. Guess what, he's dead.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: He's dead, But now how many four families?
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: Four or five?
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: And then also remember there was men who had been accused,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: spent time in prison for this and had their lives
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: doomed for it.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: That's true, so there's always time to do the right.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: Also, heal a community. Think if the children, the family,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: I mean just.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Right, Jenny's six month old, Yeah, no memory of her.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It's horrible. Can't even I can't even imagine. Well, thank
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: you all for being here with us tonight. Before we go,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: we just have a few short little things we want
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: to tell you about an a positive notes. Now that
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: we've all cried ourselves to tears tonight. Yay, you're welcome, everybody.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Bill from my tongue.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: Right. So before we go, though, if you do like
• 1:58:56
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• 1:59:20
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