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Jim Bowden's Front Office Unfiltered: Deadline Buyers & Sellers, Harper’s message & Mattingly’s reply · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's Christmas in July. Front Office Unfiltered JB. Jim Bowden
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  Speaker 1: with USR resident GM with a fantastic Foul Territory sweatshirt
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  Speaker 1: right now the hoodie, JB. I'm going to start with
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  Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays. Why because if they do decide
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  Speaker 1: we are all out selling, it looks like they have
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  Speaker 1: some pieces that go beyond just who is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a free agent this year. So can you walk
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  Speaker 1: me through the decision process for this team right now?
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  Speaker 1: And then some of the assets they could sell in
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  Speaker 1: a seller's market?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Scott.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, four days right and four hours
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  Speaker 3: and we get to the deadline. It's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a fun four days, especially over the weekend, I think.
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  Speaker 3: But great to be back with you and AJ and Eric.
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  Speaker 3: I love this time of year. It is a holiday
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  Speaker 3: for me for sure. So for the Blue Jays, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously you know where you are. You're not getting to
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs, so you're at the deadline. The first thing
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  Speaker 3: you're going to do, if you're Mark Schapira and Ross
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  Speaker 3: Atkins is you're going to try to trade your expiring
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  Speaker 3: on track.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the highlights.
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  Speaker 3: Our headliners are Kevin Gosman and Shane Bieber out of
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  Speaker 3: their rotation, centerfielder Dalton var Show, and designated hitter George Springer.
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  Speaker 3: Those are the four names that you're out there hoping
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  Speaker 3: to move between now and the deadline, hoping you get
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  Speaker 3: a decent return of prospects in that group. But then
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  Speaker 3: you also want to make sure that you have an
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  Speaker 3: open mind with the rest of you of your roster,
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  Speaker 3: because this is an opportunity. It's a seller's market for sure.
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  Speaker 3: We all know that, because why twenty two teams are
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  Speaker 3: within three and a half games of the playoffs right now,
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  Speaker 3: So it's a seller's market. So you're listening to all
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  Speaker 3: this Mason Miller talk, right and you're listening to how
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  Speaker 3: the Yankees are open to putting Dax Kilby in the deal,
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  Speaker 3: and you're listening to all these teams willing to pony up.
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  Speaker 3: And then you're like, well, I've got Lewis Varlin and
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  Speaker 3: his numbers are similar to Mason Miller, you know, And
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  Speaker 3: although you want him to be on your team next
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  Speaker 3: year when you hope you're contending again, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: trade a closer to rebuild a system or to rebuild
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  Speaker 3: a major league team makes a lot of sense. So
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  Speaker 3: I think you have to listen on Lewis Arland and
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  Speaker 3: so the teams that are playing on Mason Miller you
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  Speaker 3: want to jump on if you're in Toronto, and at
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  Speaker 3: the very least at least listen to what teams have
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  Speaker 3: to say or what they might offer for Varland, who
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  Speaker 3: could be a difference maker for someone in October.
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  Speaker 2: So that's basically the approach the blue Jays are taking.
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  Speaker 4: The blue Jay is going to have to pair a
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  Speaker 4: Jeff Hoffman in with somebody so that they get rid
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  Speaker 4: of that salary leaf, but also try to convince a
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  Speaker 4: team there's still value there. We just couldn't extract it.
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  Speaker 4: As a Blue Jays team.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to convince other teams players that aren't performing
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  Speaker 3: and producing.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to trick anybody.
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  Speaker 3: But there are times, sure where at the end of
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  Speaker 3: a trade you say, look, I can make this deal
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  Speaker 3: for that package, but you got to take one of
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  Speaker 3: my bad contracts with it. You got to take Hoffman
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  Speaker 3: or we can't do it, And then you see what
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  Speaker 3: the team says. So sure, I think a selling team
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  Speaker 3: always at the deadline if they have an opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: get out of a bad contract and take advantage of
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  Speaker 3: a team that really wants one of your players. You
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  Speaker 3: definitely try to take advantage of that.
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  Speaker 5: Jim you mentioned Shane Bieber. Shane Bieber went back to
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  Speaker 5: Toronto because he loved it. He was also injured and
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  Speaker 5: took to opt it in instead of opting out.
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  Speaker 6: And everyone said, oh, why Shane Bieber doing this? Well,
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  Speaker 6: he loved it.
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  Speaker 5: Is it hard as a GM to trade somebody like that?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'll even use Kevin Gosman, right, who's been
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  Speaker 5: there for a while. He's been very effective there, And
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  Speaker 5: you say, man, I got to trade this guy, but
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  Speaker 5: I know he loves it in my organization. Is that
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  Speaker 5: the hardest type of trade to make?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's the hardest kind of trade to make,
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  Speaker 3: because you're just trying to get better and you're trying
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  Speaker 3: to win, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: You always want to be loyal to your players.
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  Speaker 3: You always want to be loyal to the good people,
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  Speaker 3: your friends with them, right, you have relationships with them,
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  Speaker 3: but you're paid to build your organization, whether it's short
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  Speaker 3: term or long term, and you can't let emotion get
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  Speaker 3: in the way for that. Now, in terms of these
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  Speaker 3: two guys, are kind of different.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Shane Bieber is kind of tricky right now because he
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  Speaker 3: had that great start at the start before last night
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  Speaker 3: and it was like, wow, you know, teams are seeing
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  Speaker 3: that maybe I can do really well, and last night
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  Speaker 3: he has six walks and then the teams are going
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  Speaker 3: to look and go, I don't know about the health
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  Speaker 3: risk and all that kind of thing. So he's a
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  Speaker 3: guy that's probably a player game later kind of deal,
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  Speaker 3: Whereas depending on how he performs for you will determine
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  Speaker 3: what I get in return. So you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: be open minded with that. With Kevin Gosman, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask for a return bigger than what he's producing because
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna point to what he's been able to.
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  Speaker 2: Do in the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: He's had postseason success, and you're a contending team and
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  Speaker 3: you want to win and you don't have enough pitching
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  Speaker 3: and that's why you're calling me. So you're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to pay a higher price than what he's worth. So Bieber,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to be more flexible. Gosman, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask for more than what his value is.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, is this uncharted territory for gms who the
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  Speaker 4: entire season. They went from World Series Game seven to
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  Speaker 4: pushing essentially pushing all in as much as a good
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  Speaker 4: team can in the offseason, building this team to be
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  Speaker 4: really good, and now compartmentalizing and saying, crap, we suck.
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  Speaker 4: Right now, we have to move in a different direction
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  Speaker 4: because the teams are selling. Usually rebuild, but they're not rebuilding,
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  Speaker 4: they're just selling off. Is that hard for a GM
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  Speaker 4: to shift in the span of a five month period.
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  Speaker 3: And not with the kind of experience that Mark Shapiro has. Look,
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  Speaker 3: there's a reason why he's won Executive the Year multiple times,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with Cleveland, with Toronto. I mean, obviously he
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  Speaker 3: knows what he's doing. And Mark's experienced everything. He's experienced winning.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he was in last place the year before
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  Speaker 3: he got to the World Series, so he's been in
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  Speaker 3: every role that's been in there. You know, when you're
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  Speaker 3: sitting in these those big chairs in those jobs, you
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  Speaker 3: know you've got to be ready for every scenario.
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  Speaker 2: You got to be.
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  Speaker 3: Ready to buy, you got to be ready to sell,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to be ready to hold.
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  Speaker 2: You got to be ready to be fluid.
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  Speaker 3: And if you can't pivot and you can't adjust with
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  Speaker 3: how your team is and reacts, then you probably should
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  Speaker 3: get a different line of employment.
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  Speaker 6: Here's one for you, Jim. You had King Griffey Jr.
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  Speaker 5: King Griffy Junior was an icon in this sport and
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  Speaker 5: one of the best players of all time. You traded
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  Speaker 5: them to the White Sox team that I was on
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  Speaker 5: in two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 6: Now it's not the same level.
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  Speaker 5: It's not even close to Kangrivy Junior. But Salvador Perez
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  Speaker 5: has been a lifer in Kansas City. He's probably going
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  Speaker 5: to the Hall of Fame. I think he should stay
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  Speaker 5: in Kansas City for as long as he wants.
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  Speaker 6: Again, not my call. How do you make this work?
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  Speaker 6: How do you call King Griffy Junior? Again?
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  Speaker 5: I know I'm not comparing Salvador Prez to King Griffey Junior,
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  Speaker 5: But how do you call that guy and say, hey, man,
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  Speaker 5: I think we really should move on and there's teams
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  Speaker 5: out there that we can get something for.
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  Speaker 6: How does that conversation go?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, just to be clear, I traded
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  Speaker 3: for Ken Griffy Junior. I did not trade Ken Coffee Junior.
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  Speaker 3: He was gone after that, So I just want the
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  Speaker 3: record clear on that I love Junior and I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know sorry trade.
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  Speaker 3: I bet I could trade for him, but I understand
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  Speaker 3: your point. You know, when you get to the end
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  Speaker 3: of your career and you can't perform. And I did
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  Speaker 3: have that situation with Barry Larkin, a Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 3: who also worked for me in the front office when
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  Speaker 3: I went to the Nationals. But I had that situation
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  Speaker 3: with Barry where you know, agent Declined got him. He
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  Speaker 3: wasn't the same player, and so how does it work.
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  Speaker 3: You go to him, you go to his agent, and
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  Speaker 3: you just be honest, you know, and say, you know, look,
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  Speaker 3: agent Decline, is there we need to move on and
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  Speaker 3: get younger. You know, will you wave your no trade
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  Speaker 3: or would you you know, we know what you mean
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  Speaker 3: to this franchise, or do you want to finish your
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  Speaker 3: career here? And if he says I want to finish
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  Speaker 3: his career here, then I'm going to honor that period.
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  Speaker 3: If he wants to get traded, okay, I'll move the player.
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  Speaker 3: But I got to be honest with what we're seeing
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  Speaker 3: on the field. So look, it's difficult now. In Salvador Perez,
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  Speaker 3: the right move would have been to trade him two
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  Speaker 3: years ago. Right, if you're going to trade him, he
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  Speaker 3: knew Carter Jensen was coming. Blake Mitchell's on the way.
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  Speaker 2: You knew that.
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  Speaker 3: But Salvador Perez is different. He's the face of the franchise.
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  Speaker 3: He's never going to be traded. He's going to finish
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  Speaker 3: his career as a royal. He's going to go to
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  Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame as a royal. And it's a
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  Speaker 3: good thing for baseball when that happens. George Brett experienced
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  Speaker 3: that with the same team. Tony Gwynn did it in
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  Speaker 3: San Diego, Barry Larkin did it in Cincinnati. I love
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  Speaker 3: when it happens. I think Mike Trout's going to do
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  Speaker 3: it with the Angels. I don't think he's ever going
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  Speaker 3: to be traded from that team, to be honest, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that's okay for baseball when it happens. But
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  Speaker 3: I think when you're running the team, you have to
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  Speaker 3: go to Salvador Perez and say, look, we've got Carter Jensen,
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  Speaker 3: he's ready. We're not a contending team. You're at the
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  Speaker 3: back end. Would you like to go to a contender?
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  Speaker 3: Would you like a chance to play in October? We
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  Speaker 3: got a lot of teams right now looking for catching.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to go?
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  Speaker 3: And then he looks you in the eye, and he says, no,
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  Speaker 3: I want to finish my career here, And then you
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  Speaker 3: look in in the eye and say, well, that's what
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  Speaker 3: we're going to do.
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  Speaker 4: Then let's go a team that will never keep anybody
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  Speaker 4: for their entire career the race. If you're the general
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  Speaker 4: manager of the race, fans are clamoring to make a
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  Speaker 4: big move just because the Rays don't do that. Do
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  Speaker 4: you look at this roster and say, yes, this is
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  Speaker 4: the roster that if we make a big move, we
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  Speaker 4: can win the World Series because the American League is down.
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  Speaker 3: So my personal opinion, if you're asking that, is yes,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question.
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  Speaker 2: This is the best chance that.
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  Speaker 3: Eric Neander has of getting the Raise back to the
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  Speaker 3: World Series. Andrew Friedman was running the Rays the last
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  Speaker 3: time they got there. But I do believe this is
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  Speaker 3: the best team since then that can get to the
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  Speaker 3: World Series. Now, what I would do sometimes is different
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  Speaker 3: what they would do, And who really cares what I
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  Speaker 3: would do. We care what they're going to do. So
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  Speaker 3: this is what I was told directly from the rais
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  Speaker 3: they are looking right now for an impact position player.
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  Speaker 3: When I asked what position, they said, probably an outfielder
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  Speaker 3: because that's the easiest to accommodate. I'm not sure where
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  Speaker 3: that comes from. They answered, bullpen always and then came
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  Speaker 3: the and of course an impact arm if it's there,
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  Speaker 3: And that's the quote unquote Schooble response, right that we're
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  Speaker 3: all expecting. But Tampa Bay is willing to trade their
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  Speaker 3: top prospects to get impact to try to go for it.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, they know that they're never going to have
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  Speaker 3: a huge window based on the present infrastructure of not
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  Speaker 3: having any kind of cap their window to ever win
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  Speaker 3: a World Series is always going to be small. And
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  Speaker 3: when you get there, and when you have a shot
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  Speaker 3: is when you got to roll up your big boy
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  Speaker 3: pants and make that move. And that time is now,
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  Speaker 3: and it's here. We'll see what Eric Naima can do.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Well, then that leads you to our next
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  Speaker 5: question to another team in the same kind of predicament.
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  Speaker 6: I know they have to go through the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 5: The Brewers.
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  Speaker 6: You're saying the Raids are ready to do it. Will
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  Speaker 6: the Brewers and Matt Arnold.
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  Speaker 5: Be ready to take that next step because their window
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  Speaker 5: has been here, they have another great record, right and
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  Speaker 5: they haven't been able to get to the World series.
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  Speaker 6: Will they make that move?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course it's challenging in a small market, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I covered the Brewers Dodgers series last year
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  Speaker 3: and there was just such a mismatch. When one team
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  Speaker 3: supends three hundred million more per season than you do.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you just look at the teams that we
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  Speaker 3: all get it. But here's the fun part about Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 3: If you're able to trade for Trek Scooble, you can
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  Speaker 3: beat the Dodgers this year if you run out there
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  Speaker 3: Miserowski and schoobl in Games one and two and Kyle
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  Speaker 3: Harrison comes back healthy and he's pitching Game three with
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen. They have the offense they have, how they
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  Speaker 3: can move the chains, how they're athletic, how they catch
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  Speaker 3: the ball. They can beat the Dodgers in a short
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  Speaker 3: series if they do that. So I'm being told that
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  Speaker 3: they are in on schoobl for sure. And I will
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  Speaker 3: say this if he's traded, which I don't know. Scott
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  Speaker 3: Harris doesn't know. I don't know if he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be traded, but if he is, I will tell you
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  Speaker 3: this right now. I think the Brewers are the most
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  Speaker 3: likely landing spot. I'll rank them one Dodgers, two, Braves, three,
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  Speaker 3: Tampa four in that order. The Brewers farm system is
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  Speaker 3: as good as any team out there that's trying to
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  Speaker 3: get him.
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  Speaker 2: They also have so much depth.
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  Speaker 3: When you talk about the best prospect in baseball, Tezu Moday,
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  Speaker 3: he's not going anywhere. But they got Lewis Payne, you too,
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  Speaker 3: who's nineteen years old. He's got a chance for your superstar,
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  Speaker 3: and he'd be the number one prospect in most organizations.
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  Speaker 3: You can afford to deal him if you want to,
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  Speaker 3: because you have made you have Cooper pret you have enough.
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  Speaker 3: You can give them a starter to go back and
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Sprode, who you picked up when for Peralta, who
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  Speaker 3: was a rental, So no problem putting him back in.
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  Speaker 3: And then you can sweepen the pot with maybe Tyson
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  Speaker 3: Harden the pitcher, maybe Andrew Fisher.
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  Speaker 2: The third baseman. You have enough there.
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  Speaker 3: And remember this, Mark Antonasio, the owner in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and eight, made the deal for Sabathia. Gave them a
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  Speaker 3: shot to win a World Series. They didn't do it,
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  Speaker 3: but gave them a shot. Mark Antonasio has told Matt Arnold,
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  Speaker 3: green light, go do it. I'm ready, here we go,
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  Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna make a run at it.
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  Speaker 3: If he is traded, I give them as good a
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  Speaker 3: shot as the Dodgers and anybody else in getting him.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, if I'm the Union, I want
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  Speaker 3: that to happen, right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want.
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  Speaker 3: Schooble going to the Dodgers. If I'm the Union, have
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  Speaker 3: the Dodgers win again. If he goes to Milwaukee and wins,
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  Speaker 3: and you have a Milwaukee Tampa Bay World Series, good
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  Speaker 3: luck arguing for a hard cap.
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  Speaker 2: If Scooble goes to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: And they win the World Series, Okay, no baseball in
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  Speaker 3: twenty seven, and then I don't get to come on
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  Speaker 3: this show every week.
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  Speaker 4: Oh then we need you even more to talk about
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  Speaker 4: even though they're not playing. We need to talk about wins,
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  Speaker 4: the negotiations they're going to end. Is this equal for
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  Speaker 4: fans who weren't around in two thousand and eight? Is
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  Speaker 4: this equal to the Doug Melvin move of getting CC
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  Speaker 4: Sabbathia to the Brewers? If Trek Scouble comes over to
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  Speaker 4: the Brewers.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's bigger.
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  Speaker 3: I do because I think it's I've got miss and Schooble.
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: I got the two best pitchers in each league in
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers in a position where they can be the
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  Speaker 3: best team in the world. So yeah, I think it's uh.
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  Speaker 3: I think it would change everything, the whole landscape, and really,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's bigger than Milwaukee. I think it's great
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  Speaker 5: I got to go to a different team close to
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• 16:10
  Speaker 5: first place, the White Sox. Right, we just had Bob
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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• 16:39
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• 16:42
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  Speaker 3: But you know, the White Sox do have a very
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  Speaker 3: deep farm system and they have enough to make trades. Now,
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• 17:08
  Speaker 3: all three things that he's searching for. No, that normally
• 17:11
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• 17:14
  Speaker 3: do not expect him to be inactive. He knows he
• 17:17
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• 17:19
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  Speaker 2: At six o'clock on Monday.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: What level catcher is Chris gets going for with uncertainty
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: of when Kyle Thial's coming back.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Well, Teal is a long term catcher, so you know
• 17:36
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• 17:39
  Speaker 3: about maybe Lewis Torrens the of the New York Mets.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's Leam Hicks of the Miami Marlins. Maybe it's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Brandon Valenzuela or the Toronto Blue Jays. Maybe it's Caba
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Ruiz of the Washington Nationals. Maybe it's Tyler Stevenson of
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Reds. Look, we're not talking about a star player.
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• 17:57
  Speaker 3: but he's not going to give up what it takes
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: to get an Alvarez when he's got Kyle Teal eventually
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: going to be his catcher there. So you know, we're
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: talking about an upgrade a catcher in terms of depth.
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  Speaker 3: So I think you're looking at those type of names
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and not more. I'm not talking about the Hunter Goodman's right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the Adley Rutchmans. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 3: those kind of names, and I do think Liam Hicks
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  Speaker 3: would be a good fit. Look, I know he's not
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: a great defensive catcher. I get that, but he can
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: swing the pole and he would certainly help offensively at
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that position for the White Sox. Also can DH and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: also can play some first base as well. So I
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: think that'd be a really good fit. I like what
• 18:29
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• 18:31
  Speaker 3: think that would be a nice little pickup for the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: White Sox as well. So I think that's the kind
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: of the group of catchers that you're looking at all.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, then, Jim, I mean I'd be excited with
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: all those But a lot of those guys consider themselves stars.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: And what did Blue Jays make that decision? Will it
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: be Valenzuela over Kirk? Is that what you're hearing? More?
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: Because I asked this question the other day, which one
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: of them?
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: What they move?
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  Speaker 6: You think he'd rather keep Kirk?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I do? Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Is that because he's locked up long term?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't ask why. That's just the impression that I got.
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  Speaker 3: It's Kirk over Valezuela.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, that's that's fair. And then what about Hunter Goodman?
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Have you heard anything on Hunter Goodman? Because he's also
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: a name that's been bandied about.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know if I haven't
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: heard any tractionable minimum of the deal actually getting done,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: but they will listen on Goodman, and look, they don't
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: want to trade Goodman. Is the only All Star of
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: the last two years. He's got thirty home runs. He's
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: a star player. But you have to also understand that
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: if you can trade him and get four pieces back
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: that can help build your franchise, you have to do it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: They don't have a lot of assets to rebuild this team.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So outside of drafting international, you know, amateur players, how
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: is she going to do it? You have limited funds
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and free agencies. You don't play there. You don't have
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: a lot to trade. So at the end of the day,
• 19:46
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• 19:48
  Speaker 3: four players, that's where it makes sense. So you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: do they have that kind of offer on the table. No,
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  Speaker 3: But will they listen, Yes, they are listening.
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  Speaker 4: Is this the time of the year as a GM
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: that you would go to your star player with an
• 20:03
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  Speaker 4: as an organization, we feel like it's time to move you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, look, we had this discussion.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Let's just go back to the Tigers again. You've got
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  Speaker 3: schoobl and Casey myz now I said in the offseason
• 20:18
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• 20:20
  Speaker 3: trade them and they didn't do it. Okay, why because
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  Speaker 3: they think they could win this year and then if
• 20:26
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• 20:27
  Speaker 3: sitting here at the trade deadline. The Tigers are three
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and a half out in the wildcard, They're five out
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: in the division. Now they're at the same situation. Are
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  Speaker 3: you gonna sign them long term? Are you gonna hold
• 20:36
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• 20:38
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• 20:40
  Speaker 3: in like They've got to make that decision by Monday
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: at six o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: But there is no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: If I have an expiring contract and I like the
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be is very honest with them.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to do what I've got to do.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna consult your intelligence. I know you
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  Speaker 5: that's competitive with say that, right. But the thing is
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• 22:50
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  Speaker 5: But how do you handle that if you're the president
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  Speaker 5: of Baseball ops, if you're Don Don Browski, you have
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  Speaker 5: one of your best players and now your manager. And again,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think either what either one what they said
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so we all remember what Dave Dobrowski said about
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  Speaker 3: mean we remember that, right. Do I want my president
• 23:14
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• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the scenes. So if the president's allowed to say that,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: the player's allowed to tell the truth, isn't he?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Bryce Harper didn't say anything we don't already know. Right?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: This is a Stars and Scrubs team, right, This team
• 23:29
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• 23:31
  Speaker 3: two games, and they're trying to get there. They're o
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: and eleven when they're in the last eleven starts. By
• 23:37
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• 23:39
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• 23:42
  Speaker 3: in their last twenty six games. Like, you might not
• 23:44
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• 23:48
  Speaker 3: need a back of rotation started to get there. When
• 23:50
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• 23:52
  Speaker 3: rotation and maybe you run the table great, or maybe
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Andrew Painter throws better, comes back up and holds his own.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe Aaron Nola's starts to throw better, but I doubt it. So, yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you need a starter. You don't have enough offense. We're
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: all watching the same thing in the outfield, aren't we?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's if Harper and Schwarber, Trey, Turner
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and marsh aren't hitting, you're not scoring runs. So we
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: all need help. And I don't care if a player
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: says that's the truth. Everyone knows that, fans know it,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: the media knows it. Dave knows it. But I think
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Bryce saying it probably had something to do with what
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Dave said about him. So if Dave wants to criticize
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Bryce Harper as a player, why isn't it fair for
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Bryce Harper to come back and say this team isn't
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: good enough. You're a future Hall of Fame executive.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: We all know that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: But this team right here has holes it shouldn't have
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: in the back of the rotation, it has holes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: In the outfield.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: We need a right hand hitter, We need another bat,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: We need a deeper lineup, a deeper rotation, We need
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: another reliever. I have no problem. If the President's going
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to criticize a player, why can't a player come back?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Both of them were being honest, right, Neither one was lying.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Neither one anything personally, but they both said what they
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: felt like professionally.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like them challenging each other a little bit.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I love what Bryce said, and also JB. Let's not
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  Speaker 1: several years ago at this point, and then they've had
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  Speaker 1: some disappointment in the playoffs. I know, maybe nobody was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: stopping what the Dodgers had this past postseason, but the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: offense has looked top heavy at times, and then the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: stars I don't want to say choke, but they don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: show up. And then all of a sudden, this team's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: not scoring enough runs in the postseason. And then didn't
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: we have Bryce Harper's representation. Boris come out this past
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: offseason saying he need a little help. I don't remember
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: this offseason their last offseason, right, give him a little
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: more protection in the lineup. So you add all that up.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: The one follow up I have on this is from
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Don Mattingly's response. You've known him and covered him for years.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Done super nice. I would say, more of a low
• 25:48
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• 25:51
  Speaker 1: guys want to be a GM for what you need
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: without a real understanding of where the organization is, exactly
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: where this thing goes, not only this year, but moving forward.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Players like being gms and making calls and spending other
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: people's money. I'll just let it go at that. My
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: comment was, that's a lot for Donnie. That's him taking
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: his big shot, saying, hey, I don't love what was
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: thrown out there just now.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, as you said, his son is a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: general manager, right, he'd like to keep his job. Dave
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Dombrowski has a great relationship with Alex Cora. I called
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: him a future Hall of Fame manager. Alex Cora probably
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: is going to come back and manage next year. Don's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: trying to keep his job. So for don to want
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to protect his son and wanting to protect the guy
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that's going to decide if he gets to come back
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: next year, I think I probably would have done the
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: same thing. So I don't have a problem with don
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: saying that. I also, you know, I always preferred when
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I was a GM to have everybody stay in their lane, right,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I mean I kind of felt like I personally didn't
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: want to criticize a player publicly, you know, I let
• 26:52
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• 26:54
  Speaker 3: support every way we can to make him the best
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: he could be. But I don't want them publicly criticizing me.
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  Speaker 3: I had no problem behind the scenes saying what you want.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: But I was criticized by players some at times, one
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and one time in particular, and look it was I
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: understood it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: The player was actually right. What am I going to say?
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Like, sometimes the truth hurts, but it's okay if the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: comments are fair, and you know, part of the problem
• 27:19
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• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Phillies farm system is worse than people think. And when
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you're sitting there in the seat and you're trying to
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: make the team better and you don't have enough to trade,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: it makes it hard.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Right, your two.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Best players, Andrew Paynter, you know, is not the same
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: since coming back from Tommy John, but you don't want
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: to give up on them because with the upside is
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the number one starter he ever gets healthy and gets
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: back there. Next is Aiden Miller, your best position player,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and he's been hurt. After that, it drops off. You
• 27:49
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to It's hard for both matting Lye and
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  Speaker 3: Dombrowski to go out and make this team better. It's
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: challenging because other teams have better farm systems and you're
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: all chasing the same players. How are you going to
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: get them? I mean, let's just take even if they
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: wanted Schooble, just as an example, they don't have enough.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: There's not even a conversation. It's dial tone that don't
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: waste your time. You don't have enough, but you're battling.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Even if you're battling, you know, Look, one of the
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: things they need is a right ending outfielder. Right, So
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: whether that be Lane Thomas or Lewis Robert, or Taylor
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Ward or Teo Hernandez, whatever is going to be even
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: for a small piece like that. Seattle has more than
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you do if that's what they want to right, If
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: they want Taylor Ward and the Phillies want them, Seattle's
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: going to get them.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: You're not.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And so that's something you don't want to say publicly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, the players like Bryce Arper
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: probably doesn't really understand that part of it. It's not
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: as easy as oh, let's go kix that and snap
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: our fingers.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great point about the farm system. That's a real problem.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: They can't swim in the deep end the same way
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: as others can. Right now, Okay, last part, and I'm
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: very curious on this one for you, all right, poor
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Curtis Mead, Oh my goodness, I mean, the Red Sox
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: make this deal and it's the first game back, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: he sounds like a great kid and an awesome story,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and Boston does something that's maybe a little bit more
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: outside the lines compared to what they would usually do
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of player evaluation. Craig Bresloy even said that,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and I gave him credit. He's like, Hey, everyone evaluates
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the same way on the same system. Now for us,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we just had a need.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: We like this guy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Here he comes and he could miss the entire season.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So thoughts on this and also what's next for Red
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Sox scene that basically has to go back to the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: drawing board JB and say, we again need a right
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: handed hitting infielder.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so just stay on the phone with John mozay
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: loock until you get zag Natto. Just don't hang up
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: the phone and just keep working him over and over
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: again and just try to find a way. That's the pivot,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: that's where you got to go, you know, in terms
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of the Curtis Mead, Yeah, I mean I wrote this
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: at the Athletic and was very clear on GM territory
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: as well that the Washington Nationals won that trade.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: But as theo Epstein said many years ago, the job
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: isn't to win trades. It's to win championships. It's to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: win games. You can make a bad trade. If you
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: make a bad trade and it wins and you win,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I mean that's what you're trying to do, is win.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they made a bad trade.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Sure, I'll take the Conley early side all day long
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: versus Curtis me who's only done it for four months.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: But that being said, they had a huge need since
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Bregmant left. They got a guy that has finally made adjustment.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Looks like he's breaking out if they believe that it's real,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and he's got nineteen home runs. If you want to overpay,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you do it. I mean, it is not easy to
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: get a right hand hitter, as the Phillies ask the Mariners.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I mean they're not Red Sox aren't the only team
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: trying to get it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: They're not there.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So they decided to overpay with a starting pitcher with
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: less than a year service time, who is a mid rotation,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: solid guy that's going to be one hundred and eighty
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: innings South Paw for years to come. They're overpaid, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: get it, but they got the piece they felt they need,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: So I don't criticize. I don't size him for pulling
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the trigger, and I credit him like you do, for
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: being giving an honest assessment that they were paid.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And that's okay.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: But now you just take you, pick up your big
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: boy pants, roll up your sleeves, don't cry, don't worry
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: about it. You can't control injuries. It's part of the game.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: And then go to the next trade. And again, John
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Mozelex got your guy. You're not getting Jeremy Paanya. You're
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: not getting CJ. Abrams. You can try. You're not getting
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: La day of the cruise you you can try. But
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Neto you probably can get. So just make that your
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: focus and just if you have to get on, get
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: on one of John Henry's planes and fly out to
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Anaheim and just go to Newport. You know there's so
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: many great restaurants there and just hang out with John. Right,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: buy him a nice pair of those ugly socks that
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: he wears as a president, give it to him and
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: just stay there and get in netto.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, you can whine, dine and eventually hopefully
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: get your guy, JB. We love having you on Great Insight.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you talk Jisson