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Bregman to Boston, Stroman no-show drama, Padres land Nick Pivetta · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: As much as it's gonna get a lot of publicity,
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  Speaker 1: then you're you're always backtracking. You're at some point you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna forget that you lied.
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  Speaker 2: A day. Hey, Crats, I found todd father on his birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no wait, that's John Henry, Red Sox owner celebrating
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  Speaker 2: a victory with the little Luke Victory cigar in the
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  Speaker 2: cigar room, the billionaire, the Red Sox owner. Like, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: let me bring out my finest Cuban tod father. Is
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  Speaker 2: that what you did last night for your birthday?
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  Speaker 3: No cigars? That a good night when I went a
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  Speaker 3: nice steakhouse Center Steakhouse in Point Pleasant Beach and uh
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  Speaker 3: killed two birds and one stone. Took my wife out
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  Speaker 3: for Valentine's Day too, so we uh, I got the
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  Speaker 3: weekend to hang out and do some stuff with the kids.
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  Speaker 3: So really nice.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that was like that double bouquet action right there, Krats,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one, I'm sure that made her feel romanced.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna go bang this Valentine's Day out with my birthday.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry about Why don't you get a second steak
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  Speaker 1: babe as your Valentine's.
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  Speaker 3: It was her. It was her idea that was it
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  Speaker 3: worked out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's great. I like that. Hey, a j this
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  Speaker 2: is always what I envisioned. I envisioned a cocktail in
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  Speaker 2: hand to but it's late night because every deal with
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  Speaker 2: Scott Boris clients happens either on a weekend or past
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  Speaker 2: ten pm, so the chances of cigar and or alcohol
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  Speaker 2: involvement is higher. And that picture is exactly how I
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  Speaker 2: pictured my head. Screwt go the extra ten mil Let's
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  Speaker 2: get this done.
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  Speaker 4: About time. It's about time for both of them, for
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  Speaker 4: the Red Sox. Red Sox Nation can be happening now.
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  Speaker 4: And now Bregman's off the board, so we can move
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  Speaker 4: on to talking about something else. So it makes me happy.
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  Speaker 4: It makes me happy because I mean I said yesterday like,
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  Speaker 4: can we just get him to sign already? Because I
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  Speaker 4: mean we went one Sodo and then we went Suzaki
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  Speaker 4: and then we were bregmant. It was like, yoh, geez, guys,
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  Speaker 4: come on, let's get this. I know we do the
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  Speaker 4: show every day because of it, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: I am just like, all right, let's get these done.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it's for. So now you're happy. But now
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  Speaker 2: we have to spend about half hour talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: So let's charge the damn mad Let's charge it about
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  Speaker 2: all right. So, since you were so excited about it,
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  Speaker 2: AJ when you woke up this morning, what did you
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  Speaker 2: think the Boston Red Sox in on Alex Bregman but
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  Speaker 2: actually side Alex Bregman. Were you surprised to be able
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  Speaker 2: to say both sentences?
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, this is one of the places we thought about, right.
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  Speaker 4: It was Detroit, Boston Houston were kind of the three. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the thing that made it complicated that we kept saying
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  Speaker 4: about Boston was they have a third basement endeavors. They
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  Speaker 4: have a first basement they're counting on in Cassus. So
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  Speaker 4: where's he gonna play? So do we know if Bregman's
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  Speaker 4: gonna play second base? Because if he goes to third base,
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  Speaker 4: then they got to figure out what to do with Devers.
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  Speaker 4: If they put him at DH, then what do they
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  Speaker 4: do with Yoshida who's in left field. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of moving pieces here. So it's a great
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  Speaker 4: signing for the Red Sox. It's great for Alex Pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: I mean he got paid, which is crazy. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he got paid a lot of money, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna ask that question. But you know, forty million dollars,
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  Speaker 4: that's a that's usually a guy that's a super superstar
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  Speaker 4: on the elite level. Is Alex Pregmant that guy for
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  Speaker 4: the Red Sox? I'm gonna ask Pap that question. Does
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  Speaker 4: he change the division for the Red Sox? Because for
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  Speaker 4: that amount of money, you should be changing divisions.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's thirty.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean thirty?
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  Speaker 2: Buster only came out and said deferrals are going to
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  Speaker 2: make it more like three ninety. We haven't gotten the
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  Speaker 2: exact as of this moment, but it sounds like it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be heavily deferred to be more like a
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  Speaker 2: three to ninety in present day value. So is he
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  Speaker 2: worth a thirty over three years? I think that's that's different.
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  Speaker 4: But everywhere I was seeing REPORTA was three to one twenty.
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  Speaker 2: It is opt that's after he's.
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  Speaker 4: Still making it's still making forty million. He's still making
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  Speaker 4: forty million year. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then is Otani making seven hundred or is
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  Speaker 2: he making.
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  Speaker 4: He's eventually gonna get someven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, but you could invest and then make the
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  Speaker 2: same amount we've played this game before. He's getting thirty,
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  Speaker 2: at least according to that first report. We'll see if
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  Speaker 2: other people put the same thing out there, but it
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  Speaker 2: at least makes it a little more palatable if it's
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  Speaker 2: thirty a year, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 4: And he's a great he's a great player. I just
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I just want to ask Pap because he's
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  Speaker 4: coming on today, he's mister Red Sox. Is this a
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  Speaker 4: division changing move for the Red Sox? And if he
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  Speaker 4: says yes, listen, this isn'tk not going Alex pragmant. This
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  Speaker 4: is just the way it is. Alex Pregnant got paid
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  Speaker 4: what he was worth because that's what someone paid him.
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  Speaker 4: So good for you, Alex. You're a hell of a player.
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  Speaker 4: I hope it works out for you and the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 2: And for the Red Sox Todd Father, I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: were still talks about them being a fourth or fifth
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  Speaker 2: place team, so this certainly helps the cause. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think that they've done enough to catch up to the
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  Speaker 2: Yankees and the Orioles?
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  Speaker 3: I do, I do. I was always I had the
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  Speaker 3: Orioles in the back burner here. I always thought the
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  Speaker 3: Red Sox were that team. I mean they've picked up Crochet,
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  Speaker 3: they picked up you know, a couple other guys, and
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  Speaker 3: now they got another big gun here. We don't know
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  Speaker 3: where he's gonna play, of course, but he could still
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  Speaker 3: do it. I mean, he played with the Astros with
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  Speaker 3: the small park in left field of the Crawford boxes.
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  Speaker 3: He's got the monster over there. He's gonna be crushing
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  Speaker 3: that wall day in and day out. I think, if
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  Speaker 3: you're a Boston Red Sox fan, you're really excited, and
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  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna make some some noise, even more now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, going into the season. Yeah, I have them
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  Speaker 3: definitely ahead of the Oriols. I had them ahead of
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  Speaker 3: the Orioles before this, so I can see the Red
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  Speaker 3: Sox making a lot more noise. They've had the Yankees
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  Speaker 3: number the last couple of years, so it's, uh, it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be very interesting to see how far they go.
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  Speaker 4: They have had the Yankees number. I have to go
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  Speaker 4: back and look at that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. But I still have them. I
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  Speaker 1: still have him in third place. I guess I'm just
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  Speaker 1: the third placeman, but I have them a lot closer.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I have them, you know, who I have
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  Speaker 1: him going going above is the other teams that are
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  Speaker 1: going for the wild Card race. I have them pushing
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  Speaker 1: those teams. You put Bragman at second, I don't see
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  Speaker 1: how they play. I don't see how they play Bregnant
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  Speaker 1: at third. Bragman came up as a short stop. I
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  Speaker 1: saw him. The first time I ever saw him play
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  Speaker 1: was that shortstop. Obviously they were fine during that time.
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  Speaker 1: Correa and then Paanya and you know, he's solidified himself
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  Speaker 1: as a third baseman. But at the very beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the off season he said, I'm willing to go to
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  Speaker 1: second base. I wonder if that was the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Alex Cora called him as soon as he was a
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  Speaker 1: free agent. Korra was like, hey, I got you some signs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I got you. I'll get you a contract
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  Speaker 1: if you want to come and play at second base.
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  Speaker 1: You know we can run it back. You know we
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  Speaker 1: can run it back here in Boston. That's just what
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: one for me on the position side AJ because you
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  Speaker 2: kick this off and then Kratz just punched in two.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going Bregman at third for the majority. He's the
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  Speaker 2: best defensive third baseman in the American League. Rafaeld Evers
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  Speaker 2: is signed long term. He barely ever talks. I've known
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  Speaker 2: Raffy since he was a kid. Basically he does not
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  Speaker 2: like to talk much to the media or do anything publicly.
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  Speaker 2: But he did say one thing last spring training paraphrasing,
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  Speaker 2: he was pretty disappointed in the state of the franchise.
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  Speaker 2: So you would think for a guy that's locked up
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  Speaker 2: long term, if you go to him and say, hey, dude,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna dh you a lot, because Bregman's a stud
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  Speaker 2: at third base and he's just much better than you defensively,
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  Speaker 2: he would say, Okay, if it's going to help us
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  Speaker 2: win games, let's do this. So we're looking at a
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  Speaker 2: projected lineup from Fangrafts that has Bregman at second base,
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  Speaker 2: But in my mind, if Christian Campbell is ready to
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  Speaker 2: go at second, plus they do have some depth with
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  Speaker 2: Von Grissom, who still could be a solid player for
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  Speaker 2: the Red Sox. I'm going Bregman at third. Aj Yoshida,
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  Speaker 2: I guess you can try and eat most of the
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  Speaker 2: money and trade him away or be a bench off
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  Speaker 2: the bat off the bench. But for me, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of DH devers costas at first. If someone gets hurt,
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  Speaker 2: then obviously it makes everything easier. That's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: It's a tough situation, man, it's a tough situation. Bregman
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  Speaker 4: Devers Devers defense. We know he's kind, he's worked on it,
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  Speaker 4: and it hasn't gotten to be great costas. We just
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  Speaker 4: don't know what he's gonna get. You're gonna get because
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  Speaker 4: he's been banged up, especially last year who was always
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  Speaker 4: banged up. So do you make the move? Do you
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  Speaker 4: go to Raffie Devers and say hey, we're a better
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  Speaker 4: team with you as a DH, And will he accept it?
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  Speaker 4: Because he's only what twenty six years old, that's a
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  Speaker 4: hard position to put somebody in and say hey, you're
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  Speaker 4: the permanent DH for the rest of your career because
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  Speaker 4: he signed to that long term deal. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: Alex Scor has got some work to do. I know
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  Speaker 4: Alex Bregman makes him a better team no matter where
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  Speaker 4: he plays, But I just don't think that they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: move Devs to DH right now, I think Bregman will
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  Speaker 4: at least start the year at second, because I don't
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  Speaker 4: think Campbell will start the year on the big league team.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, And I think the overall package of Devor's at third,
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  Speaker 1: Bregman at second, Bregman's upgrade over von Grissom, upgrade over
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  Speaker 1: keeping Yoshida's DH, who wasn't awful. He's not your prototypical
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  Speaker 1: banger American League d hs that you're thinking of. But
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  Speaker 1: even yoshiet Is I think has a better upside. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's some type of platoon advantage that you can grab
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  Speaker 1: there with Yoshieta getting more at bats against righties. But
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  Speaker 1: to me, that trifecta. Unless Campbell really pushes the envelope.
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  Speaker 1: You go with Bregman right now, and then when injuries,
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  Speaker 1: when injuries pop up, then you start shifting some guys,
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  Speaker 1: guys start taking some ground balls.
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  Speaker 4: At first.
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  Speaker 1: It's always easy to slide into DH, and Bragman has
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  Speaker 1: a whole spring at second. What's the worst that can happen?
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  Speaker 1: He goes right back to third, which he's played for
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  Speaker 1: the last six.
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  Speaker 2: Years, could be an injury pretty soon at shortstop too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, no offense to Trevor's story. But
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to stay on the field, so
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  Speaker 2: there are plenty of injury concerns. You have a shortstop
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  Speaker 2: who hasn't played much in the last few years. You
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  Speaker 2: have a first baseman who didn't play much last year.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, this might be a non factor. But for me,
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  Speaker 2: AJ the Red Sox are at their best when Alex
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  Speaker 2: Bregman's at third base. And for me, Rafael Devers is
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily being told you're a third baseman or you're
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  Speaker 2: a DH forever. He's being told you're a third baseman
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  Speaker 2: maybe for one season, or you're a DH, sorry for
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  Speaker 2: one season, and then Bregman might opt out. No, why
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  Speaker 2: you guys think this is a bad idea.
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  Speaker 4: He's I don't think Bregman's gonna opt out. It's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be he's gonna have to have an unbelievable year to
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  Speaker 4: opt out. I know the opt outs in there, but
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  Speaker 4: for him to opt out of this contract, he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to have a great year if he does. So
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  Speaker 4: what but I I if you once you make that
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  Speaker 4: move to DH, once you go to Raffie Devers and
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  Speaker 4: you say you're a permanent DH, it's really hard to
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  Speaker 4: go back to the field. It is really hard to
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  Speaker 4: go back to being an everyday fielder. That's why I
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  Speaker 4: don't think they're gonna do it, especially at the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of the year now if they get off to a
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  Speaker 4: rough start, or because I just don't Again, it goes
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  Speaker 4: back to I don't think Campbell's gonna make the team.
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  Speaker 4: They're not going to have him break with the club.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna say, Alex, you have all spring to learn
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  Speaker 4: second base. Rafi stay there, we still have Yoshida. We're
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  Speaker 4: not gonna eat his money. That's the way they're going
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  Speaker 4: to break camp unless something crazy happens. Because they want
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  Speaker 4: to play Cassas, they still love him. They still have
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  Speaker 4: Trevor's story. Rafaela can play, Duran can play. They'll figure
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  Speaker 4: it out. They have a bray Ewan right That makes
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  Speaker 4: them a better team for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Cassis has to This is a
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  Speaker 3: big year for him. You know, he has to stay
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  Speaker 3: healthy for one and he has to come and be
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  Speaker 3: the tryst in that we know he can be. I
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  Speaker 3: know I play with him a USA ball. He absolutely
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  Speaker 3: tore it up. I saw the potential there. This is
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  Speaker 3: a huge year for him there, I say him make
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  Speaker 3: or break it year. I don't know. He needs to
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  Speaker 3: come and play and play a lot and do some damage.
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  Speaker 3: And Jared Durant I always think of Jared Durant man,
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  Speaker 3: this kid is absolute stud Having him lead off for
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  Speaker 3: that team and find the way you get on base.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna have over seventy steals this year if he
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  Speaker 3: if he keeps up and go out there and dominate,
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  Speaker 3: just find a way to get on base. And Trevor
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  Speaker 3: Story we brought him up. If he's healthy and can
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  Speaker 3: be somewhat of what he used to be, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's only gonna help. It's gonna be a fantastic year
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  Speaker 3: for the Red Sox. I see the potential and all
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  Speaker 3: these guys, can they put it together? I think they can.
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  Speaker 3: And with the you know, the new pitching staff they got,
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  Speaker 3: with a couple of guys, I think they're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a really really good team come into spring training. We
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  Speaker 3: know everybody's there watch out for the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: Man for sure, and I would love And I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: ask Pap this who had a higher OPS not OPS plus?
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  Speaker 1: I get it OPS might not be the end all
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  Speaker 1: be all Yoshida or Alex Bregman.
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  Speaker 2: Well, are you saying that because it was Yoshidah tell us, tell.
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  Speaker 4: Us what the end obviously got to be Yoshida.
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  Speaker 2: Question numbers come on.
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  Speaker 1: Seven sixty eight to seven sixty five. You're paying one
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  Speaker 1: thirty million. You were looking to get rid of another one.
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  Speaker 1: To me, they signed Bregman. They actually save money because
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  Speaker 1: if they leave him at second, they don't need to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of Yoshida and eat his contract. So's there's
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  Speaker 1: a way of getting everybody get everything. I mean, Yoshida
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  Speaker 1: is not lighting the world on fire. But if that's
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  Speaker 1: the case, and I know value is in Bregman with
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  Speaker 1: the glove and you're losing some of that value moving
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  Speaker 1: him to second. But just saying like you got to
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  Speaker 1: you gotta look at the numbers of what they've done recently.
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  Speaker 2: Too, Bingo are losing value when you move them.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I'll say this Pregman's value might not also be
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  Speaker 4: in the clubhouse. Alex Coor knows him. He's a guy
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  Speaker 4: that brings a different little energy. He brings a fu
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  Speaker 4: mentality a lot of times if you watch him play,
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  Speaker 4: he plays with that. His plate discipline has always been great,
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  Speaker 4: so I think that's another thing that yes, the numbers
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  Speaker 4: are the numbers, but I think sometimes there's things outside,
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  Speaker 4: and Alex Coran knows him as it is anybody other
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  Speaker 4: than probably AJ Hinch.
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  Speaker 2: Hold up, I have a bone to pick.
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  Speaker 3: Aj.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: You said he's not going to opt out. He got
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: a six year, one hundred and seventy one point five
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: million dollar offer from the Detroit Tigers. He is absolutely
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: signing with Boston to opt out or to crush it
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: this season and have them extend him and give him
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: more money. Otherwise he would have taken the Detroit deal
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: unless he just so badly didn't want to go to
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Detroit and play there. Yeah, why would you turn down
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: that much more money if you're planning to stay in
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Even if he stays for one more season after this,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: it really hurts his value in the free agent market
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: because it's an age game when you're talking about the
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: free agent market.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, but I just I mean, I
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: have a if it's three one twenty, like we've said,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I have it, I mean one twenty. The Cubs offered
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: four one twenty, right, the Diiger's offered more years, So
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: he's thinking, heck, I can get my one twenty in
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: the three if I stay, and then I can try
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: to piece together the other sixty or fifty million, because
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: it'll still only be about thirty three years old at
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: the end of that. So I think, I think that's
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: the play if it's me. But again, I mean, if
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Alex Bringman goes out and has a monster year, if
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: he has the seven fifty six ops, again, do we
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: think he's gonna get forty million or thirty million more
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: on the open market another year removed?
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: We have to play present day value, though we got
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: to assume that it's three ninety. We have to play
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: that game because that is the game. So three years,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: ninety million dollars thirty million dollars per year if we're
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: counting the deferral action that I read, and we'll see
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: if everyone else confirms it. If that's the case, do
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: you opt in for sixty million dollars more or do
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you hit the free agent market and try to beat that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: He should be able to beat that easily if he
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: puts together even what he did last year, if he
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: puts together what he's done in previous seasons, it could
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: be even better. But to me, Kratz, this deal was
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: done because he's opting out after one year. Otherwise six years,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: one seventy one point five does not get turned.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Down, or he would have taken the one twenty four
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: years with the opt out after the second year, and
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: he had more. He had more money for those first
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: two years in that contract. The Cubs, shoot the Cubs.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: The cub.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I was thinking was a Blue Jays.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't know.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: They didn't make that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Blue Jays weren't really playing ball.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Why why do you why do you think he didn't
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: take that contract? I don't know that was mine.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Opt out, no opt out. They wouldn't give him knocked
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: out after year one. He wants to hit the market again,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and he's also looking at Matt Chapman, who didn't get
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: exactly what he wanted. I think Bregman entered this offseason saying,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get two hundred million dollars in present day
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: value on a contract, and he wasn't getting offers close
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to that, and the closest he got was in the
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: one seventies. And he was like, no, not good enough.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I think I'm worth more than that, and let's play
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the game. I have a nice cushion, I have an
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: insurance policy of ninety million dollars in present day value.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: But I can really bang in Boston, which is going
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to be a great park for that bat, right, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: he helps to take this team to the playoffs, and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: the glove looks sick and there's good pop against the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Green Monster. The play disciplines there like we usually see
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: from Bregman. Then the Red Sox might just say, all right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: let's make this a longer term thing and get you
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: paid the right way.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: All right, it's so unfair that the Dodgers are paying
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: all that deferral too, Right, the Dodgers pay all deferrals
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: over all of baseball.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, they're the only ones allowed. Actually, there's an
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: MLB rule that says the Dodgers are the only ones.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You know what's funny we did that. We did a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: segment the other day on the Sho Heo Tani rule
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that now counts for two years instead of one, and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: we had certain people commenting on our video being like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: might as well just call this Dodger hater territory. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: then some people were commenting back, like, you don't watch
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the show, you.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Know you're good?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Aj Actually, top father now too, you guys all have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: called games, right, Craft's a little different to your calm Phillies.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But if you're well, I guess Todd Father, there different too.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: If you're calling a game where you're not calling it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: for one side, AJ, how.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Does that go.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: If you're not if you don't get pitched out by
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: both sides, and you haven't done your job because you
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: call what the game does? You call what the game does.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: If one team beats the other team, you talk about
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: the team it's winning. What are we going to pump
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: up the team it's losing? Like we did Mets Phillies.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: The Mets beat the Phillies in four games. Of course
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: we're going to talk about the Mets because they were
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: beating them. The Phillies had their one good game. We
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: talked about how great the Phillies were. All you talk
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: about the game in the series. And when the Mets
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: win the series, guess what, Yeah, we're gonna be on
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: the Mets train because they won.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Let's get to a couple other layers here while we're
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: waiting for papalmand So what about the Astros. It's over
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: for Bragman. The career gets put to a close and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: it didn't seem like he was seriously entertaining them, even
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: though the offer was dangling there for a while. Aj
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: beyond the do you think that there was something inside
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: his head that said, I'd like to go somewhere else
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to see how it goes and to get the trash
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: can scandal stink out of here because it does kind
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of separate things once you leave. I'm serious about this one.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We don't cover it a lot, but Alex Bregman was
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: one of the most in the media like trash talk
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: fun guys, and then once that hit, it kind of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: silenced most of the players that were on that team.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe Kratz is the right one for this first because
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it's Houston, but you guys know how he was his
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: first couple of years in the league, and then once
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that scandal hit, it changed things. So I'm just like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: in the back of his head, does he want to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: go somewhere else so that it's not just constant booze
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: about the Houston situation because he had to carry the freight,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: especially down the stretch here. There's really almost nobody left
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: from that team on the Astros anymore.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think I think it's more of what you
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: just said, I don't think he sees the future there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think he sees the same now if the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: money had gotten close, I'm sure he likes it in Houston,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: But does he see what is what's coming down the pipeline?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Does he see that? Man, we had some dudes, now
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: we don't have Tucker Framber is going to be gone.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Where's Correy has been gone for a minute now? Like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: maybe he just doesn't see the future there. It's like, hey,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna keep winning.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think the Astros are fine. I
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: think they have young guys. I mean, they don't have
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: a great farm system, but they always seem to figure
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: it out right one way or another. So I don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: know about that. I just think the money he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the money wasn't there, And he said the whole time
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: he wanted to get past a certain number of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Astros didn't get there. He got it from Boston. He
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: went there. I mean, you could do worse than going
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: from Houston to Boston. Syke went from Houston to another
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: city that's not as good as Boston. So I just
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: think it was about the money, and because you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: if he wanted to stay in Houston. He could have
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: signed the six one fifty six forever ago. So he
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: just he just wanted to get that money. He got
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the money. He went. Good for him.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great for him and for Detroit.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And the asker is already pivoted. Let's not forget the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: aswer's already pivoted. They saw this coming, right, Dana Brown
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: saw this coming, even got parades, Tyle Tucker. Guess they
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: got a third basement back, right, So he knew this
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: was coming. He thought this could come. He already knew
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: in his mind when he said the other day, Hey,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: we've made an offer, but he's probably gone. Get ready,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Well now he's gone.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And lastly, here Todd Filer, I give Detroit credit. I mean,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they were going to this length. Six years,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: one seventy one point five is a nice offer. I mean,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I think they kind of to gather something good and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it would have been a really big impact to the team.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: We were saying it, We're like, how is Detroit not
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: really involved? Like, I mean, we knew they were involved,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: but we didn't know the numbers. That's a good number.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, agreed, they're coming. Listen, they're a good team.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: They played together as a team there. Nobody know why
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: guys there, And I think Bregman would have just came
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: in and followed suit and said, hey, here I am.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to play and enjoy playing with this type
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: of squad, and you know, we're gona see a lot
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: of good things from Detroit this year. There team that
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: everybody knows and understands what they're capable of now. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you know, with or with Al Bragman, they're still going
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: to be pretty good team. So they're gonna make some
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: noise in the central for sure.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Nick Pavetta signs. This one's super unique. Tod Father, would
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: you have taken this deal if you're Nick Pavetta, because
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you are dealing with the qualifying offer punishment and it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a real punishment for players, especially someone like him. He
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: turned down the qualifying offer, but he did end up
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: getting himself a long term deal at fifty five million
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: dollars over four seasons. Here's the unique part, and yes,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Robert Murray pointing out it's more than Peter Alonzo's guarantee.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: All though again, Pete's gonna opt out as long as
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: everything looks normal for him. Vetta gets four million bucks
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, and then his salary goes to
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen mil in twenty twenty six, fourteen and twenty seven,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: eighteen mil in twenty twenty eight. Would you have taken
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that contract?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Most definitely, most definitely. I mean, listen, I think he's
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a great pitcher.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know all the calculations about what he's worth,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: but I feel like that's a fair offer for him.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: He's a guy that's been around a long time, he's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a veteran, He's going to help any ball club. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: think the Padres did a really good thing here and
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: picking up a really good pitcher. You know, he's not
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: one of those guys where you know, then Nick, it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: like all right Nick about his pitch him. But he's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: not that, you know, the show tany type. But he's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: still a dominant pitcher that'll go out there and give
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you all he's got. I think this is a really
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: good deal for the Padres, and I think this is
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a really good deal for Nick to kind of solidify
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: his career with four more years and kind of walk
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: off into the sunset.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And there's a couple optats in there just in case
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he pops off because aj he's been a potential guy
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: for a while and he's still kind of a saber
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Metric Darling big strikeout percentage. The stuff numbers like stuff
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: plus are really high up. Not a huge walk rate,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: but the era is just always hanging around higher than
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it should be. Right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Well, you know why because he as a walk guys
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: he falls behind and Athoss Todd would say, a meatball
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: right down the middle, and guy's mashing the ohky for
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Nick Pavetta's he's got to get ahead in the count.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: If he's ahead in the count, Dennis stuff plays. That's
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: why sometimes I think when he went to the bullpen.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Was it last year he went to the bullpen for
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Bitt and had an unbelievable success, and then they tried
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: him back as a starter, Right, so I think he
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: goes in the bullpen, he changes his mindset. If he
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: could take that mindset as a starter and to be like,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I'm attacking from pitch one, which we all you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: everyone tells him, I'm sure, Hey, Nick, you got to
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: attack pitch one. But sometimes when you go into the bullpen,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: it just changed you. Hey, I don't have to try
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: to save anything for five or six innings, I got
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: one or two innings, let's go. I don't know. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: love this deal for him. I think it's a great
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: move for the Padres. It solidifies because one of their
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: question marks was their starting rotation. We said it was
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: cease and Darvish must groves down. Well we're not sure
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: after that, but now they at least can throw Pavetta
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: in there. It's a great signing for the Padres.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to be really good. And just
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to clarify, twenty twenty three it is when he was
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: bouncing around, right, and then twenty four they put him
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: back in there and he was pretty good. I got
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to look at the adjusted park numbers, but it was
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: it was a low four z R.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Well here's the thing, here's the thing for the Padres.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: I want to say this about the Padres. He's not made.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: What's you making this year? Four?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Right? Four?
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Is it four million? First year?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Four?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Guess what. Who's having financial problems because they're in a
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: lawsuit the Padres. Right, So this is a great deal
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: for them. They're like, oh, we got a starting pitcher
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: for four year, four million. Oh and we could have
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: them for three more years. Yeah, we'll take that one
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: any day of the week.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: This wasn't an accident, right, They're like, hey, we're going
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to get you a decent coin over a two year span,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: but you got to work with us on year one, Kratz,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: because there's an ownership battle right now in courts and
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: really just overall, the Padres are just trying to keep
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: their payroll in check a little bit because it naturally
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: went up based on current player salaries by about thirty
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: million dollars. They're a high payroll team, and yet they
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: lose Profar who else who's the other big besides your
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: boy Higashioka. Who else did they lose? Kim Tanner, Scott
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Tenner Scott and Tanna Scott? Thanks thanks for your help everyone.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: So they lost all of those guys, and then you
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: put in Paveta to that rotation fit starter spot. There's
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a good competition if they do pivot here and not
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: end up trading Cease or Michael King. It's a really
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: good rotation.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And with Joe and with Musgrove down for the rest
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of the year with that injury sustained in the playoffs, like, yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: good rotation. I mean, nobody's counting the Padres out even
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: before this deal. I just hope this deal isn't a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: prequel to them saying okay, now we can dump Cease.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, they would definitely end up saving like eight million.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Then this year, how much money it saves, Well, I'm.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Saying, compared to add adding Paveta at four million this year,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I think Cease is gonna get like twelve seven or
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: thirteen million something like that. So essentially you're adding a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: pitcher that would save you eight million if you're able
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to get rid of Cease, you know what I'm saying,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Like Swapa.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would save right, they would save pretty good
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: money there. Or as Ken Rosenthal said on Fair Territory,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: which should definitely check out after our show it already aired,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Robert Suarez could be the one and he said, you
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: know they could put the bullpen back together easier than
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the rotation. I agree. I mean, really, you don't want
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to trade anyone, but it is what it is.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: This makes it I think it makes it more likely
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: that he stays now because of this move.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Why for me, just.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Because I think they got a starter on the cheap,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: and now you know they were looking for starters. They
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: got one on the chief for year one. He's a
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: free agency the end of the year. I think, at
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: least at the beginning of the year. I think it
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: makes it more likely stays.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: All right, we can keep this going for another few
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: minutes here, So Todd father, if the Padres keep all
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: of these guys and don't end up moving one of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: them because of the budget concerns, I mean, they might
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: not be as good as last year, but they're pretty good.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I probably entering the season have Dodgers Diamondbacks
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: than Padres. But I just keep looking back at a
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: team that wasn't scared of LA and has a lot
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: of the same pieces in place.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this West Coast is interesting because me included,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I think the Dodgers are going to run away with it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: You know, you'd have to be silly not to think that,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: knowing who they just picked up and who they got
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: in the offseason. And then the Padres. I mean, listen,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Diamondbacks had that good year two years ago, nice, nice run,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: almost won the whole thing. They kind of fizzled at
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the end last year. And now you know, Padres, you
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: said it, Scott, you said it like eighteen different ways
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: every different time their World Series champs, if they don't lose,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: you know, two games straight against the Dodgers, so you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: they just gotta There's just something about them where it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: just like they just don't finish or there's there's something
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that always comes up with them, you know, whether it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: a problem in the clubhouse or you know, an injury
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: or something, and it always just it's there. It's a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: fickle team, you know. So I love them. I do.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I love them a lot. I just I just know
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: where the Dodgers are at, and it's just the Dodgers
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: versus everybody else. But I think the Padres have a
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: really good ball club, and I think they're gonna make
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: some noise. It's just a matter of you know what
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: wild card spot they're gonna get in pretty much.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I scoffed at A. J.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Preller's comment when he was like, we need one more
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: picture and we need one or two more bats, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, right, no way, you had your chance,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you missed out on it proved me wrong. He got
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: his one picture. Now let's see will he go and
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: get one or two more bats.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Aj I was shocked when I saw Pavetta to the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: padres I was like, wait what, I thought they're trying
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to cut payroll. And then I saw the structure of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the deal and I was like, super clever, Bipreller, I'm
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: sure they tried that, my guess is a while ago.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And he was like, shit, right, I'm not doing that,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: not taking five million or four million whatever. I just
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: said bucks in the first year of that contract. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: eventually it turned out to be the best offer and
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: pretty good guaranteed money for him.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I agree. I think I think that this helps the
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: padres No. I mean, let's not forget the Diamondbacks went
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: out and got Corbyn Burns and Josh Naylor made some move,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I think it keeps him in the mix.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Are they better than the Dodgers and the Diamondbacks right now?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: On paper? Probably not? But aj Preller, knowing him, he's
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: probably not done. And you know, they lost a lot. Listen,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: they lost Tanner Scott, they lost Kim, they lost Profar.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, they lost a lot of dudes, and a
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Suarez is down. Watch out.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't be a Super bowlpen anymore. Anyway, Let's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: get into this Marcus Stroman situation here for ten minutes.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So stro took his physical on Tuesday. Today is Thursday.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He's been a no show for workouts for the last
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: two days. The club's not certain yet when he's going
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: to be on the field. Technically, according to the CBA
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the agreement between MLB owners and players, you're not required
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to be on the field until February twenty second. The
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: club was informed by Stroman's agent before his physical. I
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: guess about the missing time. Aaron Boone has talked about this,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and it was pretty interesting the way that he quoted it,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: because he used the word awkward. Are we going to
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: show that or we're just going to talk about it?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Let me know, but otherwise, no, we're not going to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: show it. So I can I can read the quote.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I can find it as we're talking,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: because it's pretty important because I think it helps to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: tell the story. So Boone said he quote had an
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: idea that Stroman wouldn't show up for workouts these last
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: two days and that he understands quote how it looks.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He called it quote a little bit of an awkward situation.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But Boone has talked to Stroman and expects him in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: camp in the next few days. So this is perfect
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: topic for a player's show. I'll give one more bit
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of context and then let's swing it around here because
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know how this all works, but I do
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: know that most players report when they're supposed to report,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: even though there's technicalities, and when you can show up.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Stroman was in trade rumors this offseason. They couldn't figure
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: it out, and he didn't pitch I think at all
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, which for a competitor like him, definitely
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: bothered him. I don't even have to ask him to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: know that. So, Todd, Father, have you ever seen anything
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like this aside from a player missing time due to
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: personal reasons or a VS issue. I'm taking that out
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: because we would have heard about that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I have. I remember Norse Hopper Blast in
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: the past. Man, he leadoff guy, pretty much get you
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a single any time of the week, any day of
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: the week you wanted. He's one of those guys that
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: would show up the day he was supposed to show
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: up by rule. You know, it's one of those things
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: you don't have to come to camp. I know everybody
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: says it doesn't look good. I get it. These are
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the rules of engagement. This is the rules of baseball.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You know, from what I'm hearing, Boone and Strowman are
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: on good terms. There's nothing really weird about it. I think,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you know what he said that kind of made it
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: look like, you know, Stroman is a guy that he's
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: not coming, you know what's going on. There's rumors of this,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: there's really no rumor to it. He'll be there over
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: the weekend, and when Monday strolls around, it's it's game
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: time for him. So you know, it's a veteran guy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: He's made a lot of money over his career, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: you know he understands the gruel and grind of the year.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: And I think he's gonna be uh just fine once
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: he comes back over the weekend.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I've always said the Vets don't need to show up
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: until a little bit later in spring training, not like
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: this though.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Not.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, Strocho knows what he needs to do.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Is he doing it for a reason only he knows?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: We can speculate. But I never even knew that this
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: was a possibility, Like if AJ knew this was a possibility.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: He has shown up for games too, just for the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: games on the twenty second, like that's the first day.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: But I was there ten days ahead of time. I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: was as a kid, say I was too much of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a try hard if you're able to show up late.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, if he's upset, If he is upset
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and that's why he's not showing up, you know what,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: there's a lot worse ways you could go about it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: He just he's just not there. Hopefully it's not a distraction.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I hate when people are like, who is this a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: distraction for the team. Oh, he's a starting pitcher. It's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: not like they're you know, they're playing without a center fielder.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Bye. By rule, they don't have to show up until
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the twenty second too, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, but.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Who does that? Who does that? Like the fact that we've.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: A rule a handful a handful.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You brought out Norris Hopper right he was one.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Norris wasn't good enough to do that, by the way.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I ay Norris would miss those days. Come in Game one,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: go two for three with two singles, Like, I can't
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: do that. I had to show up early because I
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: needed as many swings possible because I'm hitting inside in
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: this cold, cold weather. As you know, Kratzy knows too.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I want to see how far my ball went if
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I could still hit it far. You know, that's just
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: my psyche going crazy. But yeah, I mean, guys did it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think it has any bearing
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: or anything to do with, you know, opting out or
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: looking for a trade or anything like that. In my opinion,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: from what I'm hearing, I think he's just understanding. He's
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a veteran guy, and you know, he could do what
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: he wants until that time comes. He really doesn't have
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: to show up until the twenty second, and that's everybody's right.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna make I don't think it
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: should make big noise because rules are the rules. Man,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Why are you showing up to her saying no, Actually,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: my job says I don't have to show up until
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the twenty second. That's that, okay. I mean you guys
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: should move on whether it looks good or not.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Okay. So my question is, as a teammate, if you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: have a guy that doesn't that does this, how does it?
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about it? Feels like ex alienated
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I don't know, because I never had
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: anybody do this. I mean The only guy I ever
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: remember hearing about doing this was Manny Ramirez and he
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: was kind of in a contract thing and he's like, oh,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: I'll show up March first or whatever it was, whatever
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: the date was back then, right, But I mean everyone else,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: you got sixty five other guys there grinding, and you're like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Again, I don't know the situation. What's
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: happening with Margus Truman. I'm just saying, as someone looking
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: from the outside, what does his teammates think? That's what
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I want to hear about.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Mm hm.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: And that's and I know exactly where you're coming from, AJ,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: but that's the last thing any team needs. It's like, oh, man, hey,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: what about strum what you know? What I mean, that's
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the media trying to stir some some crap up. But yeah,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I see it on both sides. I do what I want,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: my compadre, my teammate, they're you know, grinding with us,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: you know, even before day one, of course, But at
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the same time, you got to respect everybody's decision.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, So let me give you the fan. It's causing
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: unnecessary attention and there are multiple ways to put this
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to bed, right Because it's New York. It's the Yankees.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: It really would be a story anywhere, but it's really
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: a story in New York. There is nothing going on
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: right now. Okay, the Giants suck, the Jets suck. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: don't know what's going on really in the NBA right now.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I don't have time for NBA and NHL. But there
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: are a lot of fans that go right from football
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to baseball. Spring training just started. There's nothing happening. It's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: just people showing up. Luckily for Yanks fans, there's no injuries.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: So what is everybody talking about today? Marcus Stroman's not
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: at camp and they didn't say it's because of a
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: personal issue. That's the big thing. I actually would have
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: just said, I'm wondering, like, on the PR side, why
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: not just lie and be like, hey, he's not here
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: for a personal issue. No, because it could be any
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: personal issue.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Don't lie, Yeah, don't throw don't don't throw lies. Because
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: as much as it's going to get a lot of city,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: then you're you're always backtracking. You're at some point you're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: gonna forget that you lied. Don't lie, don't lie. Okay,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I think what Boonie did I thought Boonie handed it awesome.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: If Stroman wants to say something, it's Stroman's place to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: say something.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But why why are the reps saying it's not trying
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: to protest him pissed off about trade rumors and not
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: pitching in the playoffs and all that stuff and his
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: standing with the team. So my thing Kratz, the famous
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Kratz line, say with your chest you're not there. You
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: don't have to be there yet didn't tell your reps
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to say hey, or he should say hey. I didn't
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: love the way that things have shaken out over the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: last several months. So I'm taking a stand. The middle ground,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I think is soft.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I just I don't think he has to say anything
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: because it's it's in the rules in the CBA like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: so he comes, just say he comes on the twenty second.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Per example, Hey man, where the heck you been working out?
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? Oh, you weren't here with everybody
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: else with the rules. I don't have to show up
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: to the twenty second. Man, I'm ready for the grind.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: You know it's a long season. This is you know
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: this is a long season. I know how it's done.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I'm a veteran, So I decided this year, I'm gonna
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: show up on time, knowing how long of a season's
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: gonna be. Thanks, guys, have a good day, and that's
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: how that's how it should be squashed like that, in
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: my opinion.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: That's fine. And then the follow up from New York
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Reporter is going to be, so do you think that
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: this is take a stand against teams getting players into
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: camp earlier than they technically need to be by the rules?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Are you standing up for that? Should we have more
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: players in a situation like this, because it's never happening
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: in today's game. You're the only one on the Yankees
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that showed up late. What did your teammates say to you?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Do you think that it gets that way?
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: This is what happened Todd, I know, but he didn't.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: He didn't show up like that's the.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Thing later than everyone else.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: All Right, Yeah, I get it, And I would say
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: if that's what he wants to say, I'd say, no,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I just know the rules and I'm happy to be here.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Let's let's go Yankees and try and move on from there.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: You guys are making unnecessary noise about this whole situation.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I don't want to start the season like this. I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: ready to be Yankee. Now leave me alone.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Pulled up though I'm a good New York reporter, I'm
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse because they're coming in hot with more, right, sure, Marcus,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: How did you feel about being popped up in trade
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: rumors throughout the offseason and not pitching in the playoffs?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: How much did that affect you?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Listen, I'm a gamer. I always wanted to be in
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. I understand the situation of what they wanted
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: to do. Was I upset? Yeah? Uh, trade rumors is
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I've spent a part of my whole career and right
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: now I'm a Yankee and I want to be a
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yankee and I can't wait for spring training to start.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Have a good day.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Then the next question, then they go to Eric Kratz
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: and they say, Kratz, what do you think about Stroman
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: not being here? Aj what do you think about not
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: being here? Why? Why don't you do this?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I know why. I was always on time because I
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: was a catcher and I needed to be there for
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: to catch my pitcher. Right. That's why Kratz was there early,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: because he wanted to get a jump on being there
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: to cut So why why you know, I understand you
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: don't have to be there technically, but then why on
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: earth has almost every other player been there on time?
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Because they want to be part of the team and
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: they want to go to war with their boys, right, Like,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: I'm here, We're gonna grind through this. You heard Jack Flaherty, Right,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: he threw a bullpen. He was watching everybody throw a
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: bullpen like that's part of becoming part of a team.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: So I get it that he doesn't have to be there,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: but again, it's New York. They're gonna go to you, Todd,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: if you're on this team and say, Todd, what do
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: you think about Stroman not being here? Your answer is
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: gonna be well, he can do what he wants. How
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: can everyone else do what they want? Right? That's that's
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: where this that's where this becomes a story, because if
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: he just shows up, he he lives in I mean
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: he used. I don't know if he still does, but
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: he used to live. He used to always he always
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: posts the videos of him throwing the Bullpen's on a dock.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Right that doc ain't in New York. I'm sorry where
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: he's from, Right, it ain't up there in New York.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: It's in Florida somewhere, right, he exactly right on the
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: weather today, right. But you know what I'm saying, that's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: why it becomes a story is because you know how
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: many of her people that the Yankees having camp. You know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing videos of road On throwing against Austin Wells
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: live at Steinbrederfield and throwing against Ben Rice. But I haven't,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: you know, Stroman not showing up. That's why it's a story.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: If there was more than one person that did this
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: every year, then people will be like, yeah, that's no
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: big deal, it happens. But because this is the one
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: guy and Stroman also, and I hate to say this,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: this sucks people in New York though. Try to make
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: bigger things out of nothing, right, Stroman has had whatever
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: you want to call it, right, that's it. That's all
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. They're gonna try and make it in some
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: desist even if it's not so just come out and
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: say something, say hey man, sorry, you know, I don't
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: know if my kid was my dog was sick, I
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: don't know, whatever it is. And I'll be there on Monday, fine,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: boom dead.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: That's my point. Yeah, so it's now become the story
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: in Yanks camp until he's there, and then for a
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: couple of days after he's there. There's no way to
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: avoid That's that's my point. And maybe that doesn't matter,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: and it's a little spicy, it's a little fun, but
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are the ones in the clubhouse
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: every single day before and after your workouts. There are
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a billion people in the clubhouse, right, and every single
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: question is that right? Because Todd, you've dealt with this
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: in New York in the past. Right, I'm picking on
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you because you played for the Yanks and the Mets.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But you know, New York media sometimes is fun and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: there's pros because New York players will get more attention.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: There's cons There are reporters that will just keep going
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and asking and asking. So you know, now every day
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: you're shown up to camp for the first week of camp,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: majority of the questions in the clubhouse are going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: be about a teammate who's not there and there's not
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: really enough reasoning for why he's not there. And it's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: going to be on the paper headlines if people even
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: read papers like that anymore. It's going to be on
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the website headlines. So would it bother you at all
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: as a teammate that you have to go in and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: answer questions about this dude who's making a statement but
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: not fully saying it, so everyone else has to answer
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: for him right now.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't you know, It wouldn't bother me. Would it
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: bother others? Yeah? Probably, but excuse me they you know,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, it's unheard of. But he has
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: every right to do what he wants. So yeah, it
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: probably bother a bunch of people. But for me, I
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: take it and answer it. If somebody want to answer
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the question, it's that, hey, he's here now and he's
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: ready to go. We can move on hopefully.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: So I think you guys can spend a lot of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: time in the minor leagues. But dudes will get optioned down.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And the rule is when you get optioned, it's seventy
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: two hours from the time you get optioned. When you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: get optioned down, especially if you're a prospect, they sit
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you down in the office and they're, you know, give
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you a whole spiel and then they say they say, hey,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you know what, though, we want you to get those
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: at bees. We want you to get this going again.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: You'll be in the lineup tomorrow right away. Down in
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you know, down in Scranton for the Yankees, down in
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Lehigh for the Phillies. And there were some dudes who
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: were pissed about getting sent down. They got sent down
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: at like three thirty seventy two hours later at three
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: twenty nine, they would show up in the clubhouse. Some
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: organizations would take that very they would take it very seriously.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Others would be like, hey, cool, it was your go
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, we'll see to be continued, We'll see how
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it goes in camp. I mean, the Yankees want to
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: trade him. The problem is he's got two years left
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: on a contract, and it's just tough to get teams
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: to take on money it is. I think he's a good,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: good rotation member. He should be a starter in a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: rotation and that could be can help a lot of teams.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: You can help a lot of teams.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Is he better than Paveta No? No, at four million dollars,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: nobody's better than Paveda.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Right, But I'm getting them money back for you so
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I can make sure I'm accurate on this one. There's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: so good points two years thirty seven. There was a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: vesting option. So yeah, there's two years. I'm trying to
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: get with the number. Why can't I get the number?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But there's two years left. Oh he's making eighteen and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: a half and then he's making eighteen in twenty six,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: so two years, thirty six and a half million dollars left.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: It's tough and you're gonna have to This is where
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the trades get difficult. You're gonna have to eat money.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: We didn't get to this part and we should. Maybe
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: we can just do it right here because we're waiting
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: on Logan O, Hoppy, Noel and Aronado. Tough to trade
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: why because you have to start telling another ownership group
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that they need to eat money on a player. And
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that's where the owner ego cheapness stuff gets involved. I'm
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: not eating money on that contract. That's what happens on
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: those phone calls, right the front office says, hey, if
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: we eat half of this, we can do this right now.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And I like this prospect freaking way. I'm not giving
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Joe blow owner over there some money back. That's a
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: real thing. AJ we all know that, right.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's a real thing. Of course, it's a real thing.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: That's why what was it The Mets got a better
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: prospect when they ate more money of Verlander when they
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: are sures or when they send them to Texas. They
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: got Acuna's brother, Like that was what the argument is about,
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Like we're trading him to Texas, but can we what
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: kind of prospect can we get? Because all depends on
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: how much money you need.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mets ate a lot of money in the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Verlander and Surezer trades. They ended up getting uh Acunya,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: who's going to be I think a nice part of
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the big league club. They got multiple players in that
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Astros deal that I think could be helpful as well.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: It was Clifford and Gilbert I think were the two
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: outfielders that were the ones that are standing out so
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: far in that trade. So, anyway, on Aeronato, while we
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: have a moment, I mean, at this point, he's a cardinal,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: right Boston was his number one. It sounded like it's
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: going to be tricky to try and get him somewhere.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: He's gonna at least be a camp and at this point,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: aj we've officially ruled out Boston unless the Red Sox
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: are suddenly traded for Arnaudo too, So there you go. Nightingale,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Arnauto crossed off Boston list. Tigers and Cubs were the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: other finalists for Bregman. Blue Jays were never in and
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Bregman wasn't going back to Houston. So for Aronauto purposes,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: does Chicago still have interest if they're not feeling like
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Matt Shaw's ready? Does Detroit have interest if they don't
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: like their mix of third base options?
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I guess? But are they gonna want to pick him
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: up at the money? That's it's all going to come
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: down in the money, I don't know.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: And will he go there?
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing. He has all the power. So
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: again they had him traded. He just said no, They
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: had him in Houston, he was it was done, remember,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: and then he's like, nope, I don't want to go there.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully he hopefully enjoys
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Saint Louis because he's probably gonna be there to start
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: the year unless something crazy happens.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe the Angels, where's Moncatta play?
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Come on?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: They paid them a million dollars. Here we are? Uh?
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Did you guys see the quote from Francisco Alvarez? I
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: think we are better than the Dodgers lineup.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: M I'm glad you think that everybody believes that. You're
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: supposed to believe that. Are you supposed to do? You?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Guys have a problem with the teammates saying this? Would
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it bother you if a teammate says we're better than
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: this other team? Because, I mean, it fires up fans,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it's fun.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: No, nobody cares. Probably depends on who it is. There's
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: times there's certain people would say, stummy, you're just like, Eh,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: it's it's so and so just being dumb, or it's
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: just the way they are and that's good. Listen. I
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: got no problem with Francisco over Is saying this. You're
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: supposed to believe you're better. The Mets are supposed to
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: believe they're better than everybody when you go get a one?
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: So do you have lindor you have bring back Alonso?
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Right Alvaz and stay healthy he can hit you twenty
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: five Jackson the year. So, I mean, I have no problem.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: I actually kind of like it when I said the
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: other day when Britt when sorry, when Aaron Boone said
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: about the Dodgers, I want rivalries. Bring it on, like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: let's talk a little bit of trash.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Listen, he's got to have a year, bro, this guy.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I mean he kind of fizzled there at the end. Man,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, he had an okay year. He
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: needs to he need Cratzy say with your chest. If
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: you're gonna say with your chest, you bet you better
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: come out banging right away. So you know it's listen.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I love the confidence. I think that's great. But you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: to start it off all of a sudden, okay, I
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: mean all right, guns and bays and here we go.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: You know, if boys better back them up because now
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: you put a little more pressure on the Mets here again,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: pressure is something the Mets don't need. They don't need
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: all that. You know, they have a lot of problems
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: going on each year, day in and day out. Been
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: a part of it. You know, start off like this,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: they better come out guns and blazing.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it if you're a leader
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: as the Catcher and his energy when he was on
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the show last year, just his confidence and energy if
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: it comes from if it comes from Lindor, people will
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, you know that's a neat comment.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Comes from a guy that's a little bit more fiery.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: A guy who's back there everybody's looking at I think
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it means a lot. And I think that every one
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: of the dudes in that clubhouse are not sitting there going.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Hey, bro, like, relax, relax.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's get behind this. Let's get behind this. Bring
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers on. We're gonna take him down.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I know one thing. If you said the opposite, you
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: guys would all be pissed. Imagine if Francisco Avarez is like, yeah,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: we're good, but the Dodgers lineups better, you guys would
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: be like, are you kidding me? You don't say that.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Right here, we're back. There's a John Brevy is signing
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Tigers one year contract, club option for twenty six base
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: salary two point two five mili. The option for twenty
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: six is worth four million dollars. Obviously, there were some
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: other signings that overshadowed this one. Breva last season five
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: eight sixty r and fifty five and a third but
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: with the Braves in September of two seven zero era.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And it's another picture that front office leader with the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Tiger Scott Harris, is familiar with from his days with
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: the Giants. Tigers keep doing this.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big contract, Yeah, yeah, what the Braves had for
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: him in September. He really struggled. But from what I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: heard about on the dude is like one of the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: funniest dudes ever, driest humor.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: So eh, good fella, good, good funny guy. But where
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: did he struggle? Where did he struggle? Where do you
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: start the u out?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm not gonna I'm not gonna jump on that train.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Because Tim Hill, every guy that left pitching wise got better.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Right the white socks for everybody who doesn't know, Yeah,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: the white socks last year.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, and a lot of their arms went elsewhere and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: then they were thriving. It's a great point, AJ. So
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: does that mean it's a signing that you feel good
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: about because something was going on there, even with veteran
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: arms that caused them to struggle.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I got two things. One, he's gonna have an
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: unbelievable beard and two, just help. There's another veteran in
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: the back end of the bullpen that he usually throws
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: a lot, so he can be the back end guy.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: And he's gonna have an unbelievable beard. We need his
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: beard on the show. Let's get this done. He's a Tiger.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: He's a Tiger. Now, let's get.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: This done, as in, we need to get him on
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the show, or just Beard whichever one of you guys
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: can probably get John Breby's number. Otherwise I will text
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: or send him a DM and we'll work on that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: But now, when we look at the bullpen for the Tigers,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: it's not just young pupps. There's actually quite a few veterans.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I guess kent to my Aida is going to be
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: part of the bullpen. I mean he certainly didn't have
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: it to be a starter with them last year. That
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: was I think they're big money signing from two years ago.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: But Breba enters the fold, Will Best was great for them.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Tyler Holton great but brisky great, Jason Foley great, they
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: signed Tommy Kinley. It's a pretty good bullpen. Sehn Gunther
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: obviously was a factor great late for them. I mean
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: that's the group they have right now listed here on Fangrafts.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I mean they have, yeah, exactly, they they did work there.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: All right, let's slap. We've got another quote from Aaron Boone.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Because I'm telling you this is New York Media. They're
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: just not going to stop asking about this on the
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: absence quote. Of course I want him here. I'm trying
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: to keep nudging him to get here. But again, you
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: also have to respect the fact that this is something
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: that players are allowed to do. There as a mandatory
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: date of February twenty second, and he's choosing that right now. Okay.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: End quote. I'll also add this because I forgot about this,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: and some fans pointed this out in the chat. He
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: did unfollow the Yankees in the offseason. Again, silly, petty whatever,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But I think it was Boonie who spoke and said, oh,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: he just does his like normal scrub through his Instagram
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, he's following too many things, so
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: he unfollows stuff. So I'm like, so you've unfollowed the Yanks.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about. You put a player
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: aging and on Earth. Sorry, you put a manager and
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: others in an uncomfortable org. He unfollowed the Yanks.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Just say it with your chest.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I unfollowed the Yanks.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I'm pissed off.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in trade rumors, or maybe
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I do, and I want them to get this done.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Say something, please, just dance around it. Just say something.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean I haven't heard him speak yet,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: and now Aaron Boon's skall in the middle of it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is what we were talking about, especially
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: in New York. It's just gonna keep going, keep going,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: keep going.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I actually think Boonie's being pretty straightforward to her crats.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: He's not covering much for him. He's like, I'm telling
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: him to come here, and he's not coming yet.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Totally. He's not giving him an excuse. He's just telling
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: his side of it and what he knows. He said
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: it was awkward or it is awkward. It is it's awkward.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Good for Boonie. I think Boonie's handled this well. And
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: who knows. How do you know when somebody unfollows? Like,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: can you tell when somebody unfollows you?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Me personally, no, but there are people who are talented online.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: No, he took it out of his bio. I think
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I thought he took it out of his bio. Is
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: what they said, like, we're you know, like uh oh,
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: like he's you know, like your picture for the New
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: York Yankees. I think that's what he did. I don't
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: think he unfollowed him. I think he took it out
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: of his bio.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Either way, there's like an unfollow app or something that
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: people use. It's a perfect high school tool to see
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: if you know, your favorite friend suddenly unfollowed you and
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: they're mad about.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Something because you didn't pass on the rock in the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Big Game last night.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: That's right, unfollowed, my girl, unfollowed, got him