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“New Hampshire feels the Bern.” · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: On today's pod, we have actual results from a primary
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  Speaker 1: contest the day after voting. Wow. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about what happened in New Hampshire and what it
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  Speaker 1: means for the race moving forward. We're also going to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Tuesday massacre at the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Justice and what it should tell us about
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  Speaker 1: the stakes of this year's election. Spoiler alert there. They're high.
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  Speaker 1: They're as high as we've been saying. Before that, we
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  Speaker 1: have an announcement. We've told you before that one of
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  Speaker 1: our many challenges is that the contested primary has given
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  Speaker 1: Trump a head start in the general. Democratic candidates are
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  Speaker 1: spending money against each other. and he's spending money on,
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  Speaker 1: among other things, building an enormous field operation. That's why
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  Speaker 1: we're launching a brand new fund to help build our
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  Speaker 1: own field operation starting now. It's called Leave It All
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  Speaker 1: on the Field, and it will support groups who are
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  Speaker 1: putting organizers on the ground in the states that we
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  Speaker 1: need to win. The first group we're going to help out,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have heard us talk about before, it's Organizing
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  Speaker 1: Corps 2020, which is recruiting, training, and paying 1,000 organizers
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the general election in eight key battleground states. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, Arizona, Minnesota, Georgia, and Florida. Current core members
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  Speaker 1: on the ground have already been making voter and volunteer calls, canvassing, organizing,
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  Speaker 1: especially on college campuses. All this work will eventually support
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  Speaker 1: our nominee directly, and every Democratic campaign supports this effort.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've all been briefed on this. Some of them
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  Speaker 3: put out statements in support. It's just, the point is,
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  Speaker 3: when you go from the primary to the general election,
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  Speaker 3: you go from like 500, 600 staff to 5,000 staff
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  Speaker 3: in 2020, maybe 4,000, right? You're ramping up massively and
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  Speaker 3: very quickly. And this will get you trained people in
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  Speaker 3: the states that matter from the communities that matter on
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  Speaker 3: day one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And part of the problem in 2016 was Hillary Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: because it was such a long, drawn out primary, was
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  Speaker 1: not able to staff up fast enough for the general election.
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  Speaker 1: She had a bunch of openings while there was a
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  Speaker 1: ground game on the other side. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Staffing up now is crucial, which is why we ask
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  Speaker 1: you to donate to votesaveamerica.com slash field. That's the fund.
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  Speaker 5: We've got to help, all right? Our billionaires run for president.
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  Speaker 5: Their billionaires put iPads in the head of every goober
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  Speaker 5: knocking on doors.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to get into this thing. All right?
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Two other quick things, and we will get into it. Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a new pod, Save the World, and Dan,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a book that will save democracy. Oh, congrats, Dan. Tom,
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  Speaker 1: you want to go first?
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  Speaker 3: We sit in here and talk once a week and
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  Speaker 3: Dan writes another fucking book making us all look bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben and I, we had a blast this week.
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  Speaker 3: We started with just some New Hampshire primary from 2008
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  Speaker 3: war stories, which are very fun.
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  Speaker 1: It's always fun to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: There was nothing fun about the 2008 New Hampshire primary.
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  Speaker 1: When you get your ass kicked.
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  Speaker 3: But then we talked about this crazy CIA effort along
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  Speaker 3: with the Germans to just break all global encryption over
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  Speaker 3: the past several decades and a bunch of other interesting
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  Speaker 3: foreign policy stuff that's happening.
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  Speaker 1: So check it out.
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  Speaker 4: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: I love the Pod Save the World pitches.
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  Speaker 1: They're the best. I could do the full one, Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I love the full one.
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  Speaker 1: Good news out of Sudan, Dan. Omar Bush, you're the ICC.
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  Speaker 1: You want more?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we can laugh about that. Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's good. Fuck that guy. It's good news.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to follow that. We are at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the incessant pre-order pitches. The book comes out on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Tuesday. Tuesday. Yes, we Dan. Yes, we Dan.
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  Speaker 2: That was the alternative title.
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  Speaker 3: I had a couple of drinks and I sent around Yes,
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  Speaker 3: we Dan merch ideas to the whole group and no
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  Speaker 3: one wrote back.
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  Speaker 1: You did?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That hurts.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Did you hit send? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that it went through. I said I had a
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  Speaker 1: few drinks. Did you dream it? Anywho.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the book comes out February 18th and I have
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  Speaker 2: been pushing this pre-order campaign in the most incessant, plaintive,
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  Speaker 2: and annoying fashion possible. But I've been doing it for
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  Speaker 2: three reasons. One is.
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  Speaker 2: Because I am donating a portion of the proceeds from
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  Speaker 2: all the pre-orders to Fair Fight Action. So I want
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  Speaker 2: to be able to do as much as good as
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  Speaker 2: we can for Stacey Abrams as possible out of the
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  Speaker 2: book part of this. Second is I have this bet
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  Speaker 2: with my publisher about whether I can exceed the pre-sales
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  Speaker 2: of the last book. We are not there yet. We
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  Speaker 2: can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of work to do to get there.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to spend all of next week with
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  Speaker 2: my publisher. And if I'm on the losing end of
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  Speaker 2: the bet, that's going to be quite annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: And then the third reason is... sort of just something
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  Speaker 2: maybe I should have explained at the beginning, but pre-orders
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  Speaker 2: are very important to the success of a book because
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  Speaker 2: the more pre-orders you have, the more bookstores are willing
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  Speaker 2: to put it in a prominent location, the more willing
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  Speaker 2: to discount it, the more likely media is to cover it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a very important part of it and it's
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  Speaker 2: a necessary part of success. And I feel very passionately
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  Speaker 2: about this book and I wrote it because I do
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  Speaker 2: think our democracy is in a much more dangerous place
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  Speaker 2: than people actually believe and that it is up to
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  Speaker 2: Democrats to to be the ones who save it. And
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  Speaker 2: that starts in the 2020 election, and it continues after
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  Speaker 2: we win, and all the things we have to do
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  Speaker 2: to defeat not just Donald Trump, but Trumpism. And so
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  Speaker 2: I've also provided, if you would like to preview the book,
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  Speaker 2: one of the chapters of the book, the chapter where
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a memo to the nominee that we will
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  Speaker 2: have in three weeks, three months, the third day of
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  Speaker 2: the convention, I don't know, about what I think it'll
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  Speaker 2: take to win in 2020. That chapter, the audio book
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  Speaker 2: version of that chapter is up on the Crooked Middies
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  Speaker 2: podcast feed. So you can listen to it. And if
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  Speaker 2: you like it, pre-order the book. And if you pre-order
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  Speaker 2: the book, I would ask one more favor of you
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  Speaker 2: to share the fact that you did so on social media.
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  Speaker 2: That makes me feel much better about myself. I forward
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  Speaker 2: those to my publisher, but most importantly, it reminds other
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  Speaker 2: people that the book is out there and so that
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  Speaker 2: they may purchase it. And then next week, the book
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  Speaker 2: is out.
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  Speaker 1: Great. I pre-ordered it, Dan. Thank you, Tommy. Are there
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  Speaker 1: two versions of your memo?
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  Speaker 3: One is long and drawn out and thoughtful, and one
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  Speaker 3: just says, write yourself a $ 10 billion check?
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  Speaker 2: The first part of the memo does begin with, it
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  Speaker 2: has many detailed ideas about how you win the economic debate,
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  Speaker 2: how you take on Trump, but the first one is
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  Speaker 2: two-factor authentication.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. Last night, Senator Bernie
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  Speaker 1: Sanders won a narrow but critical victory in the Bernie
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  Speaker 1: has 25.7% of the vote. Pete Buttigieg is in second
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  Speaker 1: with 24.4%. Amy Klobuchar is a surprise third with 19.8%.
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren is in fourth with 9.2%. And Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: is in a dismal fifth place with 8.4%. Now, because
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  Speaker 1: you need at least 15% of the vote to get
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  Speaker 1: any delegates at all, only the top three candidates won any.
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  Speaker 1: And because it was so close, Bernie and Pete will
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  Speaker 1: both get nine delegates and Amy will get six. Pete
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  Speaker 1: now leads the overall race for the nomination by a
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  Speaker 1: single delegate. Let's talk about how each of the candidates
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  Speaker 1: did here. And let's start with the winner, Bernie Sanders,
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  Speaker 1: who delivered a message about beating Trump and unifying the
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  Speaker 1: party in his victory speech. Let's play the clip.
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  Speaker 6: And the reason I believe we are going to win
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  Speaker 6: is that we have an unprecedented grassroots movement from coast
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  Speaker 6: to coast of millions of people.
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  Speaker 4: The reason that.
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  Speaker 6: We are going to win is that we are putting
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  Speaker 6: together an unprecedented, multi-generational, multi-racial political movement. And this is
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  Speaker 6: a movement from coast to coast.
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  Speaker 4: Which is demanding that we finally have an economy and
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  Speaker 4: a government that works for all of us, not wealthy
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  Speaker 4: campaign contributors.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, how big of a win was this
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  Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders? I did like a positive case and
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  Speaker 1: negative case.
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  Speaker 2: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do that. Let's do that. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think the positive case for Bernie would be a win
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  Speaker 1: is a win is a win. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You have to win these things. He won the popular
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  Speaker 3: vote in two states. moving up in the national polls.
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  Speaker 3: He can raise huge sums of money. I think they
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  Speaker 3: raised $ 25 million in January, and they said they got 600,000
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  Speaker 3: contributions in February.
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  Speaker 1: So that's great.
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  Speaker 3: And then going forward, Bernie's team thinks he does well
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  Speaker 3: with Latino voters, and they're one-third of the Nevada population, right?
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  Speaker 1: So he's well-suited going forward. They also won a big
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  Speaker 1: bunch of subsamples.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the negative case would be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: 63% of voters over age 45 split between Klobuchar and Buttigieg.
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  Speaker 3: The majority of voters went to other candidates. It was
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  Speaker 3: a narrower win than polls might have projected. The pledge
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  Speaker 3: delegate picture is still split. And he got a smaller
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  Speaker 3: percentage of the vote than in 2016. But obviously, that
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  Speaker 3: was because 16 was a two-person race. But it does
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  Speaker 3: say that some support was anti-Hillary. The other thing that
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  Speaker 3: jumped out at me was 60% of voters in New
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  Speaker 3: Hampshire support Medicare for all. And that level of support
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  Speaker 3: would be a bit worrying for me in a general election.
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  Speaker 1: Dan?
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  Speaker 2: I think Bernie Sanders cemented himself as the absolute and
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  Speaker 2: potentially overwhelming front runner for the Democratic nomination right now.
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  Speaker 2: He had to win, and he did win. The margin,
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  Speaker 2: I think, is more narrow than the poll suggested, I think,
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  Speaker 2: than his campaign expected. But while that may not seem
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  Speaker 2: particularly gratifying at this exact moment to his campaign, it
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  Speaker 2: is probably the best thing for him. Because the way
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  Speaker 2: this keeps playing out is every time a quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: moderate alternative fades, another one emerges. So Biden drops, Klobuchar comes,
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  Speaker 2: and he continues to be in a place where he
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  Speaker 2: is getting 25 to 28% in these polls, and that
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  Speaker 2: is enough to win in some cases easily. And in
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  Speaker 2: terms of delegate allocation, he's in a very, very strong position.
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  Speaker 2: I do agree with Tommy that there are I think
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  Speaker 2: some potential warning signs for his general election case here,
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  Speaker 2: which is he, like in that clip we just heard,
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  Speaker 2: he talks about his massive organization, his great campaign. All
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  Speaker 2: of that I think is true relative to the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the field, but neither in Iowa nor New Hampshire
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  Speaker 2: did that organization seem to deliver additional support beyond what
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  Speaker 2: the polls showed. In fact, basically it almost felt like
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  Speaker 2: he was holding on for dear life to some portion
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  Speaker 2: of his support.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I totally agree with this. I talked
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  Speaker 1: to Faz Shakir, who's the campaign manager about this. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like from a general election perspective, which is a
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  Speaker 1: good idea to judge each of these candidates on as
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  Speaker 1: we talk about how they all did, Bernie has two challenges,
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  Speaker 1: I think. One is he continues to lose... to Buttigieg, Klobuchar,
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  Speaker 1: other candidates, even Warren, other people, the suburbs, where I
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  Speaker 1: think the biggest turnout surge tends to be, and moderate
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  Speaker 1: voters and stuff like that. It's not really a surprise,
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  Speaker 1: but the Bernie campaign promises, what we might lose there,
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  Speaker 1: we make up for in increased turnout, young people, et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: So turnout overall in New Hampshire is on track to
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  Speaker 1: beat the 2008 record of 287,000 people. So that's good
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  Speaker 1: news that turnout is bigger. But when you look at
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  Speaker 1: where that extra turnout came from, so you look at
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  Speaker 1: first-time voters in the New Hampshire primary, people who voted
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, that was 13% of the electorate.
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  Speaker 1: So great. How did they split? Pete won them, 29%.
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  Speaker 1: Bernie got 25%. Amy got 15%. You look at youth turnout,
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  Speaker 1: 18 to 29. It was 14% of the electorate was
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  Speaker 1: 18 to 29 in New Hampshire. That is down from
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  Speaker 1: 19% in 2016. Now, of course, Bernie won 18 to 29,
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  Speaker 1: 51 percent. Pete only got 20 percent. So he crushed
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  Speaker 1: with that. But youth turnout is down and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like the additional turnout that we got last night
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  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire went disproportionately to Bernie in any way
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  Speaker 1: because he lost it.
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  Speaker 2: So a few things in Bernie's defense there. One, I
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  Speaker 2: think looking at subgroups in the Democratic primary and then
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  Speaker 2: projecting that forward to a general election. is problematic, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, because they could end up, even if they support
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  Speaker 1: Pete or Amy in New Hampshire last night, they could
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  Speaker 1: easily go to Bernie and the general.
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  Speaker 2: I think because, and that works both ways for Bernie.
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  Speaker 2: Bernie's campaign last night pointed out that he did the
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  Speaker 2: best with non-college educated white voters among all the candidates there.
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  Speaker 2: That does not necessarily mean that he will do well
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  Speaker 2: with those voters who do not vote in Democratic primaries.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And just because he did poorly with suburban voters who
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  Speaker 2: vote in Democratic primaries does not necessarily suggest he'll do
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  Speaker 2: poorly with them going forward. Second point is, and this is,
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  Speaker 2: I think, a little true in for Bernie in Iowa too,
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  Speaker 2: is he has organized the crap out of these states
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  Speaker 2: in 2016. So he saw a lot, some of the
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  Speaker 2: low hanging fruit on people he brought into the process.
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  Speaker 2: He got, he reaped the benefits from it to 2016.
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  Speaker 2: Other thing is, I believe that they changed the laws
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  Speaker 2: in New Hampshire around college student voter residency. They make
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  Speaker 2: it harder for out of state college students who go
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  Speaker 2: to school in New Hampshire to vote. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that has had an impact on youth turnout.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 5: You know, I saw that a lot of people deciding
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  Speaker 5: late broke to Pete.
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  Speaker 1: They broke to Klobuchar.
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  Speaker 5: And given how close Pete was to overtaking Bernie, you
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  Speaker 5: wonder what this conversation would be like if Klobuchar had
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  Speaker 5: surged just a little bit less.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It seems pretty clear that Pete would have won.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And at the same time, I see people doing just
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  Speaker 5: basic math and saying, oh, look, the moderate vote adds
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  Speaker 5: up to more than the left vote while ignoring the
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  Speaker 5: fact that a lot of people are voting in a
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  Speaker 5: non-ideological way and that a lot of people currently with Biden,
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  Speaker 5: their second choice is Bernie and et cetera.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's true in a lot of ways with
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  Speaker 1: all these candidates, especially people like Pete and Warren have
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  Speaker 1: overlapping support, even though they're different ideological lanes. I think
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  Speaker 1: if you just do Pete and Amy versus Bernie, just
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  Speaker 1: that simple calculation, Pete and Amy are a lot bigger
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  Speaker 1: than Bernie. And they were way disproportionately moderate and conservative
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  Speaker 1: over Bernie's liberal vote.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: All that's a way of saying I think the win
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  Speaker 5: is it's, you know, Bernie Sanders is winning. He's winning
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  Speaker 5: the popular vote in Iowa. He's winning in New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 5: He is in a very, very good position. Joe Biden
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  Speaker 5: coming in a distant fifth is very, very bad that
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  Speaker 5: I see a lot of people saying, oh, the big
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  Speaker 5: stories who came in third and the second biggest stories.
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  Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders won the primary at the same time. You know,
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  Speaker 5: narratives form around who got two percentage points higher than
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  Speaker 5: somebody else, when in reality, what this is, is a
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  Speaker 5: long fight about math. And when we go to South Carolina,
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  Speaker 5: we really still don't know what the implications are for
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  Speaker 5: Biden that he did so poorly in New Hampshire for
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  Speaker 5: Bernie as he's trying to build this momentum as the
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  Speaker 5: front runner.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that the I think one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest points in favor of Bernie's strength in the general
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  Speaker 1: election is so 15 percent of New Hampshire voters said
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  Speaker 1: that they will not support the Democratic nominee no matter
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  Speaker 1: who it is. It depends on who it is. But
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  Speaker 1: about nine in 10 Pete voters said said they'll support
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  Speaker 1: the nominee no matter who it is. And only 75%
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  Speaker 1: of Bernie voters said that, which is actually a strength
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  Speaker 1: for Bernie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because it shows that if he's the nominee, he's getting
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  Speaker 1: most of these Pete people. And I think the same
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  Speaker 1: is true for Amy supporters as well. But on the reverse,
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  Speaker 1: if Bernie's not the nominee, you will see now at
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  Speaker 1: least in New Hampshire, 25% of Bernie's voters not vote
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  Speaker 1: for the Democratic nomination.
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  Speaker 3: The fucking Democratic Party is just walking around early primary
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  Speaker 3: states with a bunch of people with guns to their heads. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's... Saying, don't make me do this. Like, everyone,
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  Speaker 3: enough of this bullshit. We're all voting as Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. Try to tell some of those supporters that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting, though, because Bernie is the only candidate
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  Speaker 5: who at every single major speech is making this plea
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  Speaker 5: to everyone to come together. And A, I really genuinely
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  Speaker 5: appreciate it. I do think it's good for him to
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  Speaker 5: do Because he thinks he's winning, and it's always nice
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  Speaker 5: to say, if I lose, I'll support you when you
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: think you're winning. But also, it's big. It's a big,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: righteous thing to do in the middle of a contentious primary.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I think that the big test for Bernie
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: is you go into a lot of these suburbs, the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: suburbs that we won back in 2018, and if you
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: talk to voters there, they don't want Bernie Sanders as
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the nominee. But not wanting Bernie Sanders as the nominee
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: is different than saying, and if he is the nominee,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I won't vote for him. And I don't think we
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: know for sure right now what those voters will do.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe they, maybe they just, they don't, he's not their
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: preference for the nominee, but if he's the nominee, they're
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: going to go ahead and pull the lever.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: You can turn that around too on young voters.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Which is you got a whole bunch of young voters who,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: and it's not just their vote, which is obviously critical,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: but it's also, are they going to knock doors, make
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: phone calls, give time in to the campaign. And Bernie
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: has inspired that. And a lot of young people who
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: have stuck with them for five years straight now and
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: there is a question about whether the other Democrats had
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the ability to do the same thing.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They have not proven that at all yet. Clearly.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: I also just would add to that, forget not knowing
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: what those people will do. It's not knowable because it's
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: incumbent upon us to persuade them, right? I mean, if
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: we're talking about people that aren't sure about Bernie Sanders
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: because they're more moderate and they've heard all these negative
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: things about, about who he is, it's going to be
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: incumbent on everybody to come together and fight for those people.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: And if Bernie is not the nominee and Twitter explodes and, uh,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: in a St. Helens-like volcanic eruption that sweeps ash across
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: most of the country. It'll be incumbent upon us after
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: it goes dormant again to pick up the pieces and
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: try to get people on board with whoever we nominated.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Is that the royal us?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I hope so, because it's a lot of work for
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: just us.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, I meant the royal us of everybody who wants
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: to remove Donald Trump from office, for the record.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Pete Buttigieg, who came in
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a close second. Well, that clip's going to ruin me.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Include this part, you bastard.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It's at John Lovett. All right, let's talk about Pete Buttigieg,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: who came in a close second and outperformed his polling
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: average by a few points. Here's a clip of Pete's speech.
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: And we must be equally clear about the choice at hand.
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: My competitors and I share the same fundamental goals, bringing
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: balance to our economy, guaranteeing health care to every American,
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: combating a climate crisis and a rising tide of gun violence.
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: But we do differ in what we believe it will
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: take to make that happen. In this election season, we
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: have been told by some that you must either be
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: for revolution or you are for the status quo. But
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: where does that leave the rest of us? Most Americans
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: don't see where they fit in that polarized vision. And
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: we can't defeat the most divisive president in modern American
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: history by tearing down anybody who doesn't agree with us
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: 100% of the time.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Who wants to do Pete's strengths and challenges going forward
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: based on the results of what we saw last night
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire?
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, first of all, this is an astonishing
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: performance for Mayor Pete.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, he is a small town mayor, young, gay.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's remarkable the campaign they put together to
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: get to here. So we should give him his due there.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: He's now leading in delegates.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: He's leading in delegates. He has outperformed his polling consistently.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: It seems like he will be able to raise a
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: considerable amount of money, probably online without having to go
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: to a bunch of cumbersome fundraisers, which his opponents may
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: have to do. And he's raised money previously that's allowed
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: him to build up infrastructure in Nevada. So for example,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: they announced today that their Nevada staffing will go up
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: to 100 staffers, which is the big ass team in Nevada.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And they're running ads in states now and they're probably
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: already competing in Super Tuesday states, which, by the way,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you need to be doing right now, not after South Carolina.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I think Pete's negative case is that he has this
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: glaring problem reaching African-American voters and maybe minority voters generally.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And those challenges in terms of the states he needs
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: to now do well in are mostly ahead of him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: We got through some of the whitest states in the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: country in the first two. I mean, I think it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: clear that he built the broadest coalition of voters in
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: these first two states. And with the gigantic exception of
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: the fact that these first two states are overwhelmingly white,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: like you just said, Tommy, but if you look at, apparently,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Klobuchar did best with older, more moderate voters and was
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: extremely weak with younger voters and liberal voters. Bernie did
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: extremely well with liberal voters and younger voters and did
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: very poorly with conservative older voters and moderate voters. Pete
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: actually did pretty well with both ends of the spectrum.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: He did well in the suburbs, in the cities, in
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: the rural areas.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: You know, about seven in 10 voters called Buttigieg's views
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and positions on the issues just right, which is more
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: than 20 percentage points higher than that middle ground than
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: anyone else. So he's building a broad coalition. I think
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the main challenge for Pete, aside from appealing to voters
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of color, which is the whole part of the Democratic
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: nomination that you need, is just as Bernie has not
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: yet made the sale in broadening his coalition beyond what
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he already has, there's this moderate vote, center-left, I don't
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: want to call it moderate, center-left vote in the party
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that is probably larger than Bernie's vote. that Pete just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: has not consolidated. He has not closed the deal on this.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And there's too many people out there who are picking
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar instead of him, and too many people that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: are still selecting Joe Biden or other candidates or Elizabeth Warren,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and he has.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Or Bloomberg, by the way, now as we head into
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: the rest.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And he just hasn't closed the deal,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and he has to figure out a way to do that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It is interesting that where Pete has been able to
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: spend time, he has been able to build these coalitions.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's hard to say whether it's causation or correlation that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the two states he's been in are entirely white and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: his coalition is entirely white. But this is where the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: challenge comes, which is he is going to have a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: brief period of time, 10 days or so in Nevada
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and then 10 days in South Carolina. And then it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is rapid fire, you know, huge chunks of delegates every
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Tuesday where he's not going to be able to do that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I think where he has strength is he. has by
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: far the savviest understanding of the modern media environment of any,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: certainly any of the quote unquote center left candidates. Like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: he did his Iowa, he had his success in Iowa,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: his delegate success in Iowa. He flooded the zone. He
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: did every morning show. He did the full Ginsburg of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: all the Sunday shows. And he was part of the conversation.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: And I think there is some limits to that strategy
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: in a general election, but in a primary where you're
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: reaching Democrats who mainline political news, the fact that he
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: is doing that and doing it pretty flawlessly and none
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: of the other candidates are doing it, is it something
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to his benefit? Like when he was on Positive America
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: right after Iowa, you know, we had him for 15
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: minutes because he was very busy. For a normal politician,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that is three questions because they're verbose. Like Pete is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: like spitting out 60 second perfect on message answers. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: like there's real talent there that I think as people
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: get to see. That's why he I think he did
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: very well with the electability voters last night. And the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: question is, can he have the same impact in these
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: upcoming states?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Can I just say, I do think there is a
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: danger in that as well. He and Elizabeth Warren are
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: similar in that and Bernie, I guess, too. They're all
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: incredibly on message and they're all very message disciplined, all
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: three of them. As I was listening to Pete's speech
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: last night, and I was thinking about his debate performance,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was, I wish he was
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: almost a little less polished. Like, if he goes into
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the Nevada debate, into Nevada and South Carolina, into everything
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that comes, giving the exact same message, the exact same soundbites,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and this is going to go for Amy Klobuchar too
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: when we talk about her, and just saying the exact
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: same thing over and over again, I worry that it
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: comes off as inauthentic. Because sometimes Pete's speeches can sound
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a little overly cliche. And this is admitting that almost
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: every single political speech contains a whole bunch of cliches.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And that's just the way political speeches are. But I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: just remember when Pete started this race, he said very
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: interesting different things about political reform, a lot of the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: stuff you're writing in your book, Dan, electoral reform. He
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: sort of, because he was such a long shot, he
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't really afraid to say what was ever on his mind.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And now I think he feels a little bit sanded down.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And if he wants to broaden this coalition and really
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: speak to the moment that we're in, I think he
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: has to, I think he needs more moments like he
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: had in the stage in New Hampshire when he stood
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: up for Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. And it seemed
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like it just came from the heart and he was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: really emotive about it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I felt the same way watching him
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: give that speech. There's something very canned about it. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: think a lot of the rhetoric felt pretty worked over,
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: like a lot of consultants had been through it. And,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: you know, he talks about having this new perspective different
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: from what's in Washington, but it sounds like a lot
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: of Washington speeches. And, you know, if he is going
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: to be the generational candidate, he can't just seem like
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: a baby boomer with really good skin. You know, he
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: has to actually tell us what his new perspective is
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: and why it makes it different than what Amy Klobuchar
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: is offering, what Joe Biden's offering, what Michael Bennett was
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: offering and what have you.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And I think he has to speak to Bernie Sanders
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: has clearly connected with a movement of people in this
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: country who are angry with the status quo, not just
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: because there's arguing and infighting in Washington, but because there
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is undue influence of billionaires, corporate interests, money, all the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: rest of it. And I sort of think he has
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: to speak to that anxiety and anger that's out there,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: as well as just the exhaustion that's out there with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the in the bickering in Washington, which
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: is also a real thing. But I think he needs
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: to sort of cross over there.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely an element of humanity and humor missing
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: from his pitch, for sure. And I agree with your
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: assessment of his speech. I do think he is doing
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: 17 interviews in one day, not so that people will
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: see him 17 times, so that voters who are very
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: busy have 17 opportunities to see him once. And so
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: that is one thing I think we have to remember
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: is that we can do this at this different level.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: There's definitely a lot of work to do there, but
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he's getting where he is for a reason.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But like, that's the, no, that's, that is the big
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: challenge between rhetoric and press strategy.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But we've always known that like, you've got to say
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the same thing a million times, even when it bores
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you to death and bores the supporters who have heard
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you a million times to death to get to the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: people who are not paying attention. At the same time,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you do that too much and you sound sanded down. Look,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that is the problem.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes with his interviews for people like us
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: and yes, like there is a, you know, he's been
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: running for president in the shower for 32 years. So like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: he's been practiced.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: But no.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: But when I was watching that speech last night, I
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: was really trying to see it as a, okay, this
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: is his big message.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And yeah, some of it's.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Stuff I've heard before from him. But I was watching
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: it as a rhetorical case. And it is a really,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: it is a, it is, there's not a lot of
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: meat on the bone. When he talks about turning the page,
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: it goes right to pretty standard rhetoric with a kind
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: of laundry list of popular mainstream democratic policies.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's the right thing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course they do. Of course they like them.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: But in terms of like undergirding the core of his
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: argument about generational change, it doesn't seem like generational change.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Half the electorate in New Hampshire decided very recently, right,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: in the last few weeks. So most of them probably
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: haven't heard Pete's message. I think there's no problem with
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: repeating it or sounding redundant to people like us. There
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: are definitely times when I think all of us watch
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: him speak and think like, It's sort of an impression
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: of an Obama speech. And look, I mean, we all
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: work for Obama and are, you know, quite clearly think
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: he's one of the more talented politicians in the generation.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: So it can feel like a little less shiny in
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: comparison to Obama's New Hampshire election night, for example. But
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the bar. I think that bar
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: is do people turn on their TV and see him
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: as a, you know, person they want to vote for
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: that they believe in that is electable. I think he's
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: doing a pretty damn good case selling that right now.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm just saying, like, I have heard him before.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And you talk about the case for general relational change.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That's that's more than just the line. He has made
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that case early on in this race, talking about why
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: our democracy needs to be fundamentally transformed if we are
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to succeed in this century. You know, whether it's filibuster reform,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: or it's the court, all this kind of stuff. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I know that can sound dry when we talk about it,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: but there is a way to make that case that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think is a little bit deeper than he is
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: right now. Let's talk about the big surprise of the night,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar's third place finish, where she outperformed her polling
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: average by a big margin and did very well among
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: voters who made up their minds in the last few days,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: along with Pete. Here's a clip from Klobuchar's speech.
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: Tonight is about grit. And my story, like so many
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: of yours, is one of resilience. I announced my candidacy
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: in the middle of a Minnesota blizzard. And there were
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: a lot of people that predicted I wouldn't even get
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: through that speech. But not the people of my state
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: and not the people of New Hampshire. Except then they
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: predicted that we wouldn't make it through the summer.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: We did.
• 29:55
  Speaker 9: Then they predicted we wouldn't make it to the debates.
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: And man, were we at the debate.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: In New Hampshire.
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: What we've done is steady. We've been strong and we've
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: never quit. I think that sounds pretty good for a president.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So, you know, by all accounts, an outstanding result for
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar. The question now is, can she become the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: center left alternative to Bernie Sanders? And what are her
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: challenges in doing so?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I think her fundamental challenge is, does she have the
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: organizational capacity to take advantage of this moment? One of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the reasons, and I think this is in some ways
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a credit to her campaign, is that she's been able
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to stay in this race so long is that she
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: had a much leaner campaign organization than some of the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: other national candidates like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Beto when
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he first got in the race. And therefore, she was
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: able to survive lower fundraising quarters than they were because
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: she didn't have this giant overhead. So that gets you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: here now. The question is now, do you have the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: staff to very quickly organize caucus goers in Nevada? Do
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you have the ability to identify voters and turn them
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: out in South Carolina and pivot to basically half the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: country a few days after that? That is the question.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: There has been a history of candidates who have done
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: very well, strong second place or third place finishes in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: these caucuses who did not have capacity to take advantage
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: of it. And so that's a test for her campaign.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: She's got clomentum. You know, global warming is real.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: It's a global charge.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: That was Gideon Resnick's joke. Global warming. I like that.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: All Gideon. Gideon, good job. Everyone listen to What A Day.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I think everyone not named Bernie Sanders
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: ultimately has the same problem right now, which is competition
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: for the non-Bernie vote, right? Like, we don't know their
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: second choice preferences, but we can, I think, assume that
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Pete and Amy are going after similar people Um, the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: benefit for her is she's introducing herself to the country
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: at a time of maximum attention, but before the press
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: has really dug into a record, they're starting to, but
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: her opponents haven't taken shots at her. So it's a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: great way to introduce yourself to a whole bunch of
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: voters who didn't care about anything happening in this race
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: until very recently. She's got a big fundraising boost. They raised, uh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: they said they raised two and a half million after
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: polls closed in New Hampshire and 2 million after the debate.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: That said, she probably needs what, like million to be
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: really competing in Super Tuesday states right now. But they
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: did announce a seven figure buy in Nevada. So, I mean,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I think her other big problem, though, is she has
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: not shown an ability to win support among African-American voters
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: in the same way Pete has struggled. And there are
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: some parts of her record as a prosecutor that I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: think will now be surfaced. You know, someone was quoted
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: in a political story about her that said, let the
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: oppo begin.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So, you know, Amy Klobuchar's record is about to be scrubbed.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, the last Quinnipiac poll found that she had
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: zero percent black support nationally, even behind Buttigieg. So I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: do think you're right. Who is that plus four up
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: from zero? Up from zero. Yeah. And I do think
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that you, you know, she does have some advantages over Pete,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, I think she has a better
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: electability case than him based on her record and her
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: record in Minnesota. And I think you could argue that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: she has outperformed him in a lot of these debates.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But he so far. even with his relatively narrow coalition,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: has shown that he has a broader coalition than she does.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: She has a huge problem, which is she has to
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: prove that she can appeal to the base of the
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Democratic Party, and thus far she has not done that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: I think she has a better argument for saying, I'm
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: being introduced to people for the first time, give me
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: a chance to prove it. Pete said that too, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: it didn't happen. It just hasn't happened for him. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I do think it's fair to say, well, this is
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: a great showing. There are a lot of people that
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: might give her a look for the very first time.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I'll also just say, Yes, a lot of what she
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: said in her speech in New Hampshire was part of
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: a stump that we've heard before, jokes we've all heard before.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: But I was watching it, and especially the beginning where
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: she talked about where she comes from and her family,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: stories we've heard. I really appreciate how she did it,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: and she did it with a lot of heart. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: the one thing that she has done, look, Mayor Pete
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: had this generational change, this government reform message. He pivoted
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: to more of a center-left public option, criticism of the
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: revolution argument because he saw that as a path and
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I think sincerely believes that's the kind of president he'd
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: want to be. Amy Klobuchar, in that debate, made a compelling,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: authentic case for her brand of consensus-building, center-left pragmatism. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: she does it with heart and genuineness and a record.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that makes her a very good... She
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: believes it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: She believes it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: And it makes her a very strong candidate for people
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: looking for an alternative to Bernie. But the question, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about 2008 and how when Hillary Clinton
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: would go to states where she was primed to do
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: well because of the demographics of that state, everyone said, oh,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: she's back. And then we'd go to a state that
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: was better for Obama, and it'd be like, Obama's back.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: And so a narrative, a serialized story is told over
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: what is actually a parallel process of a bunch of
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: different states behaving as those states probably would have anyway.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: And I think about that as we go to Nevada,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: as we go to South Carolina, where we will start
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: to see how narratives form around a lot of issues
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: that are really about demographics and And the makeups of
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: these places.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I said this last pod, but I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: think there's two things that determine the results in these states.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: One is momentum and the second is demographics. And I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: think we are in a stage because the race is
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so unsettled so far that right now demographics are mattering
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: less than momentum. By the time that Obama and Hillary
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: got going, you could look at the states on the map.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You could look at the calendar and know exactly who
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was going to be almost exactly who was going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: win which state. I think we are not at a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: point yet where you can do that with this field
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: because it's so crowded and so-and-so. And things are shifting.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to start now because these
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: candidates spent a ton of time in Iowa. They spent
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of time in New Hampshire. They spent a
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: lot of money in both of those. They spent very
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: limited time in the next two states and no time
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: in the Super Tuesday states.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Or little time.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Very little time, right?
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Bernie's been out here.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Bernie is the exception, basically. Everyone else has been here
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to raise money and done no TV or anything like that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And so that's when things will start reverting to the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: demographic mean essentially.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Elizabeth Warren who came in fourth place
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: below the 15% delegate threshold. Though she said in her
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: speech last night that the primary process is long and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: she's in it for the long haul. Here's a clip.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: The fight between factions in our party has taken a
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: sharp turn in recent weeks with ads mocking other candidates
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: and with supporters of some candidates shouting curses at other
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: democratic candidates. These harsh tactics might work if you are
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: willing to burn down the rest of the party in
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: order to be the last man standing. They might work
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: if you don't worry about leaving our party and our
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: politics worse off than how you found it. And they
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: might work if you think only you have all the
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: answers and only you are the solution to all our problems.
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: But if we're going to beat Donald Trump in November,
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: we are going to need huge turnout within our party.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: And to get that turnout, we will need a nominee
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: that the broadest coalition of our party feels like they
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: can get behind.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't televise her whole speech last night, I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: missed that. And I think that was one of the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: sharpest arguments she has made for being the unity candidate.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I sort of wish she had made it on stage
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of the debate.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: That is the most explicit, by far, she has ever
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: been about bringing the party together under her as the
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: person that can appeal to both the Bernie left and
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: the center left that's currently divided between Pete and Klobuchar
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: and Bloomberg and Biden and a Michael Bennett person who
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: hasn't found out he dropped out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: So the question is, though, at this point with that finish,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: does she have a path? And if so, what is
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the path? And what does Elizabeth Warren do from here?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll say something about that message first.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I like that is definitely the sharpest distillation of that message.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And I was struck by two things by it. One,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I listened to her message, which CNN did air. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: saw it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: We were watching MSNBC in the tank for whoever.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: They've been erasing Elizabeth. They're just doing like Bloomberg speeches
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: from Oklahoma right now.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: We'd go to Warren, but Chris Matthews is burning Bernie
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: Sanders in effigy.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's better TV. Unbelievable. Chris Matthews cannot hide his hatred
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders. It is overwhelming. Yeah, that network is wild. Anyway.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But you watch Warren and Pete back to back, right?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And I think Warren delivers her case, her argument for
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: why she should be president better than almost anyone else.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: But her unity argument is party unity and Pete's is
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: national unity. And the national unity one, whether you think
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: it's bullshit or naive, and I think a lot of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: people do, and I'm sometimes one of those people, feels
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: bigger than you're going to heal the wounds of the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: 2016 primary. The second, I think, challenge for that argument
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: is it is a message built on Twitter. Because we
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: saw this in Iowa. We were at the Bernie events.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: We were at the Warren events. As long as Michael
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Moore and Rashida Tlaib were not speaking at the event,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you had no idea the party was divided.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: The people at the Bernie event were so nice. Bernie
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: is making the argument for unity better than anyone else.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: In Ankeny at our caucus precinct, when we watched all
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the different factions and all the different campaigns and they
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: were trying to persuade each other, they were all kind
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to each other. No one was in a fight. This
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is something that exists on fucking Twitter.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So I think it may not resonate with people. Now,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: as has happened in the past, post-New Hampshire, when people
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: start going after each other, then there's maybe an opportunity
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: for Warren to slide in there. But right now it
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: feels a little discordant with the moment everyone else is
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: living in.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Tommy, what do you think is next for her campaign?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think she has a very challenging
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: path forward. And it pains me to say because I
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: like Elizabeth Warren a lot and I like the people
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: who are running her campaign.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And I think she's done a good job.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: But, you know, I think one, New Hampshire, I think,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: was always going to be a tough state for her
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: because half the state of New Hampshire gets Boston media.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and they've been hammering her for years.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I know people think that's a benefit for her, but
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Boston media is fucking awful.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Boston media is brutal. It's brutal. It's not just like
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: the Boston Globe. It's this prick Howie Carr, who's this
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: right-wing lunatic radio host who hangs out at Mar-a-Lago.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Jay Severin, all of them. The right-wing radio there is brutal.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: They've just been going after her for years and years. Now,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I also think that she has been harmed by sexism,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: and it's absolutely crystal clear in all of the data, especially.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Out of Iowa.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: That said, I think strategically, it was probably a mistake
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of the Warren campaign not to run bio spots about
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: her earlier that talked about the scope of who she
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: is as a person. Because when you hear her talk
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: about being in college at 19 and dropping out and
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: going to commuter college and becoming a teacher, it is
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: incredibly compelling. It is absolutely nothing like the caricature of
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the Harvard professor that Republicans make her out to be.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: But for a long time, what we learned about Elizabeth
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Warren is that she had a plan for everything you've
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: ever worried about. And, you know, I admit that at
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: the time I was like, oh, this is brilliant branding,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: very impressively done. But in hindsight, it might have distracted
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: from voters getting to know who she is and understanding
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: her in a more values-based, visceral way that explained who
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: she was. There's also like, if you look at some
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: of these entrance and exit polls, they show that voters
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: are split on whether they want change or unity, but very,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: very few single digits. We're looking for a fighter, which
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: is sort of Warren's brand lately. So, you know, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: think structurally she was just not set up for success.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Here's the path to extent there is one, which is
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: she has to win or come in second in Nevada
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: and then win or come in second in South Carolina.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then she's back in the game.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: That's the ball game. And now she benefits from lowered expectations.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So if she can come in second to Bernie or
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: win in Nevada, which is, it is a low, super
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: low turnout caucus.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And, Talk about places where we don't know what the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: fuck's going to happen.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: But I do think they've already announced that they are
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: pulling radio and TV buys from Nevada and South Carolina,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: which to me speaks to an internal knowledge that they
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: feel like they're unlikely to reach a 15% threshold, so
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: they're going to instead go to Arkansas or some Super
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Tuesday state and put up spots there.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Which is a tough path forward. That seems very challenging.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's talk about the fifth place finisher, who
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was the fourth place finisher in Iowa and... the guy
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: who was the polling frontrunner for most of the race,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He left New Hampshire before the results started
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: coming in, and here's a clip from the speech he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: gave in South Carolina last night.
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: It is important that Iowa and Nevada have spoken, but look,
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: we need to hear from Nevada and South Carolina and.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Super Tuesday states and beyond.
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: Look, we're moving in an especially important phase because up
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: till now, we haven't heard from the most committed constituents
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: of the Democratic Party, the African-American community. And the fastest
• 43:05
  Speaker 10: growing segment of society, the Latino community. I want you
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: all to think of a number. 99.9%. That's the percentage
• 43:16
  Speaker 10: of African American voters who have not yet had a
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: chance to.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Vote in America.
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: One more number.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: 99.8%.
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: That's the percent of Latino voters who.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Haven't had a chance to vote. At first when he said,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I want y'all to think of a number, I thought
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: he was going to guess people's number. Guess your weight.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: That's the way he said it. All right. How did
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the former vice president who led in polling for most
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of the race end up with fourth and fifth place
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: finishes in these first two states? Anyone want to take
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a gander?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: He was never well suited demographically, I think, to Iowa
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and New Hampshire, but That's a tough argument to make
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: if you're the former vice president of the United States
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: to a very popular president with universal name ID. That said,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: now that the Biden campaign wants to de-emphasize those who
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: have already voted and instead talk about reaching Latino and
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: African-American voters, it makes me wonder why, if you knew
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: your strength was with voters of color and you were
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: always planning to change the emphasis, why not focus more
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: on Nevada and South Carolina earlier? and de-emphasize Iowa and
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: New Hampshire earlier as part of the strategy. I mean, Dan,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: this is something you've been talking about forever, which is
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: that Biden should have pulled out of Iowa in October.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Never publicly, but we can do that now.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just so you guys know, just so
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you guys know how big of a fucking coward Dan is,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: he wrote an entire op-ed.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: It's even worse than that. I said it in a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: podcast with no context and I asked Michael to cut
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: it out because I would come back to it later
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and then I never did. So it's on me.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Debate me, coward. Why did you think that that was
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: the better path?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, It's been evident from the very beginning that the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: two worst states in the primary calendar were the first
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: two states for Biden. And you have to make your
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: own luck. And so if he was a candidate who
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: could raise unlimited amounts of money online like Bernie, then
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: you can sustain a fourth place and a fifth place
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: because Bernie Sanders, and I think Elizabeth Warren to a
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: lesser extent, good news helps them raise money and bad
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: news helps them raise money. This is the thing we
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: learned with Obama.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: When Obama.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: One in Iowa, he raised a ton of money. When
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: he came in second at New Hampshire in a surprising loss,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: he raised a ton of money because he had committed supporters.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Biden does not have that online fundraising base. So he
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: was playing with a limited stack of chips. And he
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: bet a whole bunch of chips in two states he
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: was almost certainly going to lose from the very beginning.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: As did the Super PAC.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: As did the Super PAC. And that, to me, says
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: two things about the state of his campaign. One is
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: an unwillingness. And I think this is very tough psychologically
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: because he's surrounded by a lot of really smart people
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: who love Joe Biden. an unwillingness to come to terms
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: with what his actual place in the race was, right?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: To actually look at the data. Second, it says that
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: they did not have good information about what was happening
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: in those states. We've talked about before, his campaign manager
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: told David Plouffe on his podcast the week before Iowa,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: they were going to be viable in 95% districts. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: don't think Greg Schultz would say that if he didn't
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: believe that to be the case, which means they had very,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: there was very poor organization, poor data. So they were making,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I think, decisions based on hubris and backed up by
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: bad information. And so if he had said four months ago, look,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is much more diverse than Iowa and
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: New Hampshire. I am going to focus my energy on
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: these other states. Or even if he had just pulled
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: out of Iowa and gone to New Hampshire and camped
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: out there for 10 days in a repeat of what
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: John McCain did in 2008, he couldn't compete in Iowa.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So he went to New Hampshire and competed. He might've
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: had a better chance. And then you back all that
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: up with it. This is where I think the strategic
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: problems come from is his entire case from the very
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: beginning was I am the most selectable. And then when
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you start losing elections, it's very easy for that to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: collapse underneath you. And so if you know you're likely
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: to lose the first two, because Bernie is incredibly strong
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: in those states, and you hang your hat on you're
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the one who wins elections, it's like it doesn't take
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a lot to predict where this was going to go.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It's also, look, just talking about demographics again, like if
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: this was Bernie versus Biden, and Bernie just, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: walloped Biden in these first two states by 20 points,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: He would even be in a better position than he
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: is now.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Like Clinton was.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Like Clinton was, because you could at least say, all right,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I have better demographics in these other states. We haven't
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: seen them yet. Biden did so poorly across every single
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: demographic in both of these states, even though they're mostly
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: white states. It wasn't like he just lost college-educated white
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: voters by a lot, because you could win the nomination
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: with non-college white voters, black voters, and Latino voters, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: just lose college-educated white voters. He lost non-college-educated white voters
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to multiple candidates. He lost moderate voters to multiple candidates.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: He lost conservative voters to multiple candidates. He lost everywhere.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Like the idea that in New Hampshire, you know, he's like, well,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Bernie was supposed to win because he was the next
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: door neighbor. Well, then why did a guy from Indiana
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and a woman from Minnesota come in second and third?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: He didn't break 10%. No, I saw some people on
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Twitter saying, well, it looks like impeachment really hurt Joe Biden.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And I just think that's a bad argument. What the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: fuck are they talking about? They posted a great story
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: about sort of like a TikTok about what happened with
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the Biden campaign. And they interviewed this voter in South
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Carolina who is deciding between Steyer, whose ads this voter
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: has seen everywhere all over South Carolina, and Sanders. And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the voter said he liked Biden but had not seen
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a commercial from him or heard anything from his campaign.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And he thought Biden lacked the vigor that some of
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the other candidates had. And the voter said, quote, if
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I thought he really wanted it, he'd be my first choice.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And this is someone in South Carolina where they are
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: now staking the entire campaign on one. That doesn't tell
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: me you had any impeachment problems.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: I also, you know, I watched Biden speak in South
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Carolina and I, you know, he said this argument about
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: the 99% of people of black voters, of Latino voters
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: who hadn't yet had a chance to speak. And I
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: think that's an entirely reasonable point about what's broken about
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: our process. However, that is not an argument for why
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: anyone should support him and for anyone should get behind
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: his candidate. It is an argument for pundits to not
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: write him off. And if he is supposed to be
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: the electable candidate, whose now main message to the media is,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: please don't say... I'm going to lose. That is devastating.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Or just saying... you should vote for me... because I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: can win... black voters and Latino voters... based on polls
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: when you just told us that you could win the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: whole election based on polls that turned out not to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: be true.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I also think we are learning for the 10,000th time
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: that most people in the country, including primary voters, don't
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: pay much attention.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Until the last minute and decide.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: So you can obviously imagine a scenario where you get polled,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: you're kind of paying attention, you're asked to use support currently,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh yeah, that VP guy, right? I mean, sure,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: it's an easy place to park your views for a
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: while until you really have to make up your mind.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I think one thing that's really benefiting Biden right now
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: is there hasn't been a South Carolina poll in a
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: long time. And there were some national polls that made
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: it look like his support among African-Americans had dropped like
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: 22 points, like the bottom's just dropping out. And if
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I were them, I would be very, very worried about
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: a South Carolina poll that shows that recent and major
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: weakness because then no dollars are coming in and it's,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: you know, it could be over.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: I also just, there's a hard point to make. I just,
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: I'm going to make it, which is if you're tuning
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: in now, like I, I do think we now grade
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Joe Biden on a curve. We grade him on a
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: curve in the debates. We grade him on a curve
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: in how he speaks. Uh, and, and what, and, and
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: his message, I, you know, and, and seeing what he
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: said in South Carolina, if you're just tuning in, it
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: was sometimes hard to follow. It was sometimes jumping around and, uh,
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: If your case is you're the tough electable guy to
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: take on Donald Trump, it was just hard to see
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: that as a strong candidate who is just now finally
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: going to the states where he'll do the best. It
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: just seemed like somebody who wasn't able to successfully make
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: the argument for his own candidacy.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I'd say a couple more things on this one. As
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Tommy pointed out, he was saddened by Warren's place in
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: the New Hampshire department. I agree. I have so much
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: affection for Elizabeth Warren. I think she's such an important
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: thought leader in our party. I feel very much the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: same way for Joe Biden, who we've known for a
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: very long time. Who I believe is in this for
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: all the right reasons. He believes that he is the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: person who is best suited to beat Trump and to
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: heal the nation. He would not do this any other reason.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: This is not a vanity play for him.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: No, I think all things considered, he probably wouldn't have
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: done it if he thought... at the beginning of this race,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't the best person to beat Donald Trump.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: And Donald Trump was not president.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: If this was to take on President Marco Rubio or
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Jeb Bush or whatever, I don't think he would have
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: done it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And so I'm saddened for him to be in that
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: situation and that he's going through that. But I also
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: think his path is incredibly narrow still, but it still exists.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: He could still, it is very possible, he could still
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: win South Carolina and beat expectations.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And what about Nevada? What do you think?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I think that I am.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Too hard to predict, Nevada.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Too hard to predict. And what I saw from his
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: campaign organization in Iowa does not bode well. And it
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: was actually a harder state to organize, given particularly the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: dearth of resources campaign has and lack of spending there.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Like I saw somewhere, I think Bernie has a couple
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: hundred staffers in Nevada, which is, I can't even imagine
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: what Biden is, but.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not that.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: We should mention that in Nevada, the Culinary Union has
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: gone hard negative against Bernie Sanders and his Medicare for
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: All position.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And And Elizabeth Warren.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: But I'm curious, Dan, how influential you think that is
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: in 2020 when you're, you know, you're texting directly 60,000
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: people who will be influential.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: It is potentially influential, but we, Barack Obama famously had
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the endorsement of a culinary workers union and lost the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: culinary workers themselves where Bill Clinton was walking through the casinos,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: just like shaking hands with chips.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, just.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, Obama really struggled with Latino voters early in
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that primary. There was a reservoir of support for the Clintons,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton together, and the workers defied
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the union and caucus for Clinton. So it's very possible
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: that could happen again. This is a very more specific
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: argument where the labor leaders are saying that if Sanders
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: or Warren enact their plan, your health care will be cut,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: which is different than We like Hillary Clinton more than
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Barack Obama. It's very hard to say.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about this more in pods to come before Nevada,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: but if you guys thought Iowa was a shit show. Yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: it sounds like that. Nevada in the past, the caucus there,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: has always been a shit show.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: It's like, okay, so the Iowa caucus was a mess,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: but what if we put it in a casino?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Or multiple casinos. Multiple casinos. On the strip. I mean,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I don't hate it. So two months to develop an app. Anyway,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: we'll be there. Two months to develop an app. Disaster.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: How about five days to create a tool? Right, yeah,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that's what they're doing.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Did you, on CNN, after the polls closed, they were
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in chyrons of, like, things to know about New Hampshire.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It's like, polls close at 7, second state, use paper ballots,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: don't use an app to count results.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: So funny.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: And by the way, thank you, New Hampshire, for successfully
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: counting the votes.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: That's right. Okay, I interrupted you, Dan, though. You were
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: saying the path for Biden. So let's say he... Does
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it is okay in Nevada or we don't know what,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: then what?
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: He has to win South Carolina overwhelmingly.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Cause then he, then super Tuesdays, a couple of days
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: after South Carolina, Joe Biden gets a big win in
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: South Carolina. Suddenly now he has momentum going into the
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: most important contest contest of maybe the whole calendar.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: The hope would be, and it's hope is that a
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Biden is back narrative that dominates the political discussion for
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: several days will propel him back to where he was,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: where he is, either winning or at well above the
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: viability threshold in all of these states.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: You would also have to hope at that point that
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar's candidacies have fizzled.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: He's got to knock them out. He has to knock
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: them out. Two dangers for that. One is the biggest
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: chunk of delegates and the one that I think potentially
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: decides the primary is California, which has early voting, which
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: is happening now. You probably got your ballots in the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: mail already.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know why I didn't get my fucking ballot. Anyway,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'd go to votesaveamerica.com.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Second is Mike Bloomberg. Yeah. Right.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Biden is being squeezed, in fact, by two billionaires. He's
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: being squeezed by Tom Steyer, who has spent an untold
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: amount of money both in Nevada and South Carolina and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: has gotten basically a huge number of leaders in the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: African-American community to endorse his campaign, including Edith Childs, the
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: woman who coined the fired up, ready to go story
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: that was a staple of Obama's stump speech. And Bloomberg,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: who is taking up to 15 and maybe more percent
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: in some of these big states. And so that that's
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: coming out of Biden's hide makes it harder for him.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to win.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: I saw Steyer spent up to $ 14 million in South
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: Carolina alone.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Now that we're here on Bloomberg, let's talk about this. And,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you know, as we head into these other states where, again,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Bloomberg's not on the ballot in Nevada or in South Carolina,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: what does the race potentially look like going into Super
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and And I think we would all argue that
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: when it comes to being in a position to win
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the nomination by getting a plurality of delegates, by getting
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the most delegates, Bernie is absolutely in the driver's seat
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: heading into super Tuesday, even with Bloomberg looming. Would you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: agree with that?
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I think Bernie Sanders.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: And why is that?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Because he is well above the 15% viability threshold all
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: across the country. He's the only one like, and, California
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: is the biggest state. There are 416 delegates, I believe,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: in California. If Bernie wins the state by 8 to
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: 10 points and everyone else, where you look at the polls,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: are like at 15, 14, 16, you got three candidates
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: right at that level, Bernie's going to net 80 to
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: 100 delegates over them in this state. And therefore, it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: going to be almost impossible for any of these candidates
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to catch him.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And we should tell people why amassing an 80 to
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: 100 delegate lead makes it nearly impossible for anyone to
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: beat that lead. And it is because we do not
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: have winner-take-all primaries in these states. They're proportional all the
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: way through the rest of the calendar. So if Bernie
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: leaves California on March 3rd with like an 80 to
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: 100 delegate lead, to then overcome that lead, you have
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: to start winning states further in the calendar by like 50, 60%,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: 70% to like make up for those delegates because even
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: placing Bernie will play second or third or fourth in
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: those states and still get a bunch of delegates.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Delegates are awarded a couple different ways, and it differs
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: by state. But there are statewide delegates, which are awarded
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: by how you do in the state proportionally. But then
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: there are delegates awarded by congressional district. And a lot
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: of them have even-numbered delegates. And so you have to
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: win at like 70-30 to not split the delegates. And
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: so in a two-way race, you just split, split, split, split, split,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: and you never make any gains. I mean, Hillary Clinton
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: won California by, I think, double digits against Obama. And
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: she netted 30 delegates, I think.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Cool system. Yeah.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a terrible system that is
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: just designed to make everyone angry and ensure that we're
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: a divided party. The system we have, and it is
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: one that Bernie Sanders, despite everything we said about how
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: narrow his victory has been in these first couple of states,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: like he cannot ask for a better situation than Bernie Sanders,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren fading, and then Buttigieg and Klobuchar splitting the
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: moderate vote with Mike Bloomberg looming.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: Just picking off 5%, 10%, 15%, wherever he is.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I think we've all talked about this. If we head
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: into Super Tuesday and it's Bernie Sanders and the following
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: candidates are still in the race, Mike Bloomberg, Amy Klobuchar,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Pete Buttigieg, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, it is almost certain
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: that Bernie Sanders wins the nomination. Yeah, I think he
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: would be almost certain.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: He'd be the nominee by April 1, probably.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And if Elizabeth Warren drops out before Super Tuesday, then
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: it's even more certain that he wins the nomination.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: That's an open question, but Because the thing that I
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: think is notable about the results is Warren dropped support
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: and Bernie.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Didn't gain her support. so i think now it may be.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: That the last bit of warren's support is the part
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: that would go to bernie but i'm not sure that's
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it with that that that's the.
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: Point i want to make about warren and sanders too
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: because we now sanders heads into south carolina nevada into
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: super 2 is an incredibly strong position and i think
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people saying, well, what happened to
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Elizabeth Warren? Why did she fade the way she did?
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Was it the mistakes about healthcare or other problems in
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: the campaign? But part of me wonders is maybe the
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: reason Bernie Sanders is in such a strong position is
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: because no one has really hit him that hard and
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: made an argument for why they shouldn't be with the
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: most left-wing candidate.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: In the party.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: And Elizabeth Warren now making that unity message, I think
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: is a response to that. But there's been nobody kind
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: of telling the people that are, sort of, whose hearts
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: are with Bernie why they should be anywhere else.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: But again, I want to get back to the, it's
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a really important point that for the center-left candidates, this
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: is the central conundrum of the rest of the race.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: That if it's Bernie and one other candidate, or even
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: two other candidates heading into Super Tuesday, there's a real
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: chance that Bernie could lose the nomination. Still the favorite,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: for sure, but there's a real chance that he could
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: lose that.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Especially if he continues to perform poorly with African-American voters.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Because because of the way, we did this by congressional districts,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: congressional districts are often gerrymandered racially. And so if you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: are getting 80, 70, 80% of the African-American vote, you're
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: getting three and four delegates out of these five delegate districts,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: which is exactly how Hillary beat Bernie in 16 and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Obama beat Hillary in 08.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But putting aside what Warren chooses to do or not do,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: if Pete, Amy, Bloomberg, and Biden all decide to compete
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: in Super Tuesday, it is over. Bernie Sanders is going
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to win the nomination. And so like, You're right that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: if there is a desire on behalf of these candidates
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: or on behalf of their supporters to not have Bernie
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Sanders win the nomination, something has to happen between now
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and Super Tuesday. And someone has to at least challenge
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders in one of these debates. I don't know.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Or the alternative to sort of take down the other
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: center-left candidates and be the center-left candidate standing to win.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: to face Bernie Sanders. That's a lot to do in
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a couple weeks. You're right. That's why he's in such
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: a good position.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: I think one caveat here that we need to say
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: is when we say Bernie Sanders will be the nominee,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: what we mean is he will have an unassailable plurality
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: lead in delegates.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. He might not get the majority.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Unlikely to get the majority in a multi-candidate race. And
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: it has been our belief, I think, I speak for
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: all of us, that almost certainly the party should give
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: the nomination to whoever the leader in delegates is, whether
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: they have the majority or not. That was our argument
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: for Barack Obama in 2008. That was Hillary Clinton's argument
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: for herself in 2016 if she didn't get the majority.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: And I think it would be political suicide that would
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: take us 100 years to recover from if a bunch
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: of people in Milwaukee decided to say, you know what?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: We're not really into Bernie. We're going to give it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: to Bloomberg or someone else.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: But- Counterpoint. I've always wondered what it was like at
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: the 68th convention. So we could- What if they had
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Twitter there?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: What if they had Twitter at the 68th convention?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: I haven't been to your gasps lately. I've never fucked
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: with one of Mayor Daley's cops. It could be kind of,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: A good story.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, content-wise, it would be interesting.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, getting clubbed is good audio. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so these are all the... And look, and Bloomberg,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: who's just sitting out there, has a lot of challenges
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: of his own, you know, to say the least. He
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: was put on the defense of this week when a
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: 2015 video surfaced of him defending stop-and-frisk policing, where he said, quote,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: 95% of your murders, murderers, and murder victims... Fit one MO,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you can just take the description, Xerox it, and pass
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  Speaker 1: it out to all the cops. They are male, minority,
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  Speaker 1: 16 to 25. That's true in New York. That's true
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  Speaker 1: in virtually every city. Bloomberg had already apologized for stop
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  Speaker 1: and frisk late last year. He apologized again on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: One person who, of course, joined the pylon was Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: who tweeted, wow, Bloomberg is a total racist, a tweet
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: that he later took down. for reasons I can't understand. Well,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: because I thought it was a compliment. I think.
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  Speaker 2: People started writing him into the Republican primary.
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  Speaker 1: I'm positive Donald Trump had supported stop and frisk. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. Well, and you know he doesn't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: like to be accused of hypocrisy. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, he deleted that tweet. He deleted
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: all the other QAnon nonsense he's been saying.
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  Speaker 1: Look, and I do think that's some, you know, a
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: repugnant video, and it goes to show that, like, Bloomberg
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: is not necessarily this like white knight out there that's
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: just going to save it. Yeah, I would agree.
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  Speaker 5: I would agree that he's not necessarily a white knight.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: He's very white. To put it strongly. Well, but like,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you know, there are arguments for why he would be
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: a bigger factor than Pete, Amy, Biden as, you know,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: as we move forward as someone to take on Bernie.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Like all of them have... And they all have dollar signs.
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  Speaker 1: They all have flawed electability cases, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Wasserman, I think it was Dave Wasserman from 530
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: in the Cook Report said, It's not obvious that Bloomberg's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: electability case is any stronger than Bernie's. I think that's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: an important point.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: For everyone to remember. And vice versa. Again, I don't
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: like the people who say, don't think about electability, it's garbage,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: you can't figure out whatever. Because you can look at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: data at least and see what kind of factor it is.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: But it is almost impossible to determine conclusively what electability
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is here. But it's something to keep in mind. Like
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, I would love to see some
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: more like nate cone new york times general election matchup
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  Speaker 1: polls now we haven't seen them in a while in
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: the battleground states not just national matchup polls because those
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: are sort of garbage but like in the swing states
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  Speaker 1: bernie versus trump biden versus trump bloomberg versus trump amy
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: versus trump warrant like let's get them all let's impede
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: let's put them all in in matchups and start seeing
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  Speaker 1: some polls here it's.
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  Speaker 2: So funny we've gone from smoke-filled rooms filled with party
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  Speaker 2: bosses to nate cone's phone banks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i know well they're pretty accurate polls that's the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: thing um All right, let's finish up with Donald Trump,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: who reminded us yesterday just how much damage he can
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: do if given another four years. On Monday, federal prosecutors
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: recommended that Trump buddy and longtime Republican goon Roger Stone
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: serve seven to nine years for crimes that included lying
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: to Congress and tampering with witnesses. Trump then tweeted that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: this was a horrible and unfair situation, and sure enough,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Trump appointees at the Justice Department filed a second memo
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday that asked for a much lighter sentence. The
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: four prosecutors on the Stone case then all withdrew from
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the proceedings seemingly out of protest, with one resigning from
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice altogether. Trump then this morning congratulated
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Attorney General Bill Barr for, quote, taking charge of a
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: case that was totally out of control and never should
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: have been brought. Guys, how big of a deal is this,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and what can be done about it? It seems fine.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very big deal, and we have to do
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: everything we can to win the Senate.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: And the presidency. Well, obviously the presidency. It goes without saying.
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  Speaker 5: But, uh, One of the greatest tricks Donald Trump pulled
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: was convincing Republicans that he doesn't respond to incentives when
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: everything about Donald Trump is about how he responds to incentives.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have values.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: He's pretty godless. He has no core beliefs about really anything.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: So he does respond to pressure and incentives. It is,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: you know, Mueller is a dud on television, according to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump. And the next day he starts putting the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: screws to Ukraine. Senate Republicans let him off the hook
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: are even more pathetic than even Trump could have imagined
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: when he considered running for president. And what does he
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: do now that he's been given carte blanche to do
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: what he wants? He starts retaliating against his enemies and
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: trying to reward his criminal friends. And so, you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: we head into a general election in which we have
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: somebody who has made it very clear that without the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: guardrails of the Senate and without the guardrails of needing
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: to win a reelection, that all bets are off in
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: what he will do when he is a second term president.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: And it was a reminder of just how important it
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: is that we get rid of the Republicans in vulnerable
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: states who decided to side with Trump in the impeachment,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: despite knowing full well that what he did was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. And I think the House
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Democrats should use the power that they have to continue oversight,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: to subpoena the relevant witnesses here, to keep putting the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: pressure on Trump. Absolutely. But you know, we should be
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: very clear that that is going to have a very
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: limited effect because the Republicans have decided in a very
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: prominent impeachment trial that they're going to cover up for
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: this guy no matter what. And the other thing that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: should scare the hell out of everyone what happened yesterday
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: is Trump also called on the military to discipline Lieutenant
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Colonel Alexander Vindman in retaliation for his testimony in the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: impeachment hearing. And that should tell us something that like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: in a second term, imagine a world where the Justice
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Department doesn't prosecute Republicans for crimes that they have committed
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: and does prosecute Democrats and never Trumpers and journalists and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: public officials for crimes that they never commit. I just
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: don't get what you're bitching about. I think Mr. Trump
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: is doing a fantastic job.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: I think that the most very scary, the most depressing
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: apart about this story is how little emphasis and attention
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: it's getting. And I personally feel so worn down by
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: impeachment and the crimes and the criminality that it's like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: hard to muster a rage tweet at this point.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: And so When you think back.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: To 1973 and the Saturday Night Massacre, which is when
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Nixon fired, you know, three of the top leaders of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: the Justice Department because they wouldn't shut down the Watergate investigation.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: That was roadblock news, right? I mean, that was the story.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Everyone was aware of it. Republicans were freaking out. Now
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: this is going to get swept into 400 other Trump
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: scandals of the day. It's getting swept underneath the New
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Hampshire primary results. Like, I think that we... Democrats in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: this country need to get back to a place where
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: there is mass movement. There are protests where people are
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: taken to the streets. Otherwise, he is clearly emboldened. He's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: going to keep doing this shit. And Republicans are unwilling
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: and unable to stop him. They just don't care. Susan
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  Speaker 3: Collins doesn't give a shit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she's disappointed.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just two points in this one. I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about.
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  Speaker 5: Rachel Maddow did this podcast, Bagman, about the prosecution of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Spiro Agnew, Richard Nixon's corrupt vice president. And in it,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: these prosecutors weep thinking about the integrity of the attorney
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: general under Richard Nixon, Elliot Richardson, who, despite the incredible
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: pressure he was under, made the decision to pursue the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: case against a sitting vice president and to do the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: best that he could to shield his prosecutors. And the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Department of Justice is just not protected enough against an
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: authoritarian-minded president. And that means it requires integrity on the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: part of the attorney general. And William Barr has none.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: And that makes him incredibly dangerous. The second point about this,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: to Tommy's point about it making it wall-to-wall coverage. Elizabeth
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Warren talked about.
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  Speaker 1: It in her speech. Yes, she was the only one.
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  Speaker 1: And she was the only one.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, we talked about Pete's message about turning
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: the page, Bernie's appeal to unity, Elizabeth Warren's challenges, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: her decision, I think, to bring this up, I think,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: was really admirable. But we also talked about, you know,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: what Pete can do, right, to talk about the kind
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: of generational shift he's offering. But all of these candidates,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: I think, you on a day in which we saw
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump at his absolute most dangerous and worst. And
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: we saw, this is a week in which we saw
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump put out a budget, despite lying to his
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: people that he's going to protect Medicare, Social Security, and entitlements,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: putting out a budget that once again would strip them
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: for parts. And we saw him make these basically fascistic
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: decisions about running his Department of Justice and doing it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: quite publicly and on Twitter. And I do think it's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: still incumbent upon Democrats to, to find a way, despite
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: all we know about how people care about health care
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: and care about being imitated to those issues, to put
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: into the context the danger Donald Trump poses and the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: stakes of this election, both for people's personal pocketbook issues
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: and also just the health.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Of our democracy. But I think it's not that hard.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: I think you can make it personal for people because
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I do think the more we talk about norms and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: institutions and authoritarianism and democracy, it's like very esoteric shit
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: that a lot of people, it doesn't feel real to them.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: It is real, and it should feel real to people,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and it should feel real to the fucking reporters who
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: cover this, too, that in a second term, when he
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: is unleashed and he does not have to face voters,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: that he will weaponize his Justice Department to go after
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: people that he does not like. And that includes members
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of the media. That includes Democrats. That includes Obama administration officials.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: That includes everyone. And, like, it is not out of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: the question that we have a world where the Justice
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Department lets Republicans off for whatever crimes they commit, And
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: goes after Democrats just because they oppose Donald Trump. That
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: is a very real threat. And I think it's a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: threat that most people in this country can actually understand.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was actually Bernie in the debate, I think,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: did the best job both on foreign policy and on
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: some of these issues, putting it into terms that I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: thought people could understand about the dangers of a.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was great when he was like, I'm the president.
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  Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want. Yes, yes.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: And the dangers of Donald Trump thinking that he's above
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: the law. And I do think that that's so central
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: to this moment.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: I think there's a predicate problem with that whole argument,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: which is I think most Democrats, including most Democrats running
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: for president, believe that Trump broke our democracy. They don't
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: understand that we have Trump because we have a broken democracy.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: And so all the other shit that we are talking about,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: whether we're passing Medicare for all, Medicare for some, Medicare
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: for one more fucking person in America, all depends on
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Democrats both fixing the structural disadvantages we have to majority
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: rule in this country and closing the loopholes Republicans have
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: been exploiting for years. That, I think, is the single
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: most important thing. It is why I wrote that book,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: which I'm not pitching again.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: It's very smart that you brought it back to the book.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: Not the only person with messages in life.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: That's why I applaud that in Pete. But I think
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: that that is so important. I think all the candidates
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: need to address that more forthright, particularly in the general election,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: because we are only going to succeed if we raise
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: the stakes in this election. And the stakes have to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: be that it is bigger.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Than just Trump. We talked about turnout issues. That's turnout.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: And unity. And unity. Right?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Like, for all we're talking about, about the however many
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Bernie voters who won't support anyone other than Bernie, and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: then all the people who are like, I'll support anyone
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: but Bernie, or I hate Mayo Pete, or whatever. Like,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: fuck that. Like, this, what we saw... with Trump in
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: the Justice Department is a tiny preview of what will happen.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Like he did that 10 months before fucking election.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Imagine post-election. Imagine the month before the election. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: None of the candidates have really nailed this yet. And
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I think if they're going to be the nominee of
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: the party, they're going to be Donald Trump. They have to.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: I think this can be part of a unity message,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: but I strongly feel like most voters won't care about
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: this at all. And I think the impeachment proceedings we
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: just went through show that we took out our bazooka
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: to tell a story about Donald Trump's criminality and corruption
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: and abuse of power, and most voters didn't really care
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: enough to move the needle. And so I think that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: it's a huge mistake to make this the focus to, like,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: persuadable moderate voters. I do think it could be a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: tool to bring together the party when we need to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: and really, like, raise the stakes, as you said. I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: just think, like, people don't care. People are not going
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: to learn about this, and I just don't think they're
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: going to care.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: Well, I would just point out that 54% of people
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: thought Donald Trump should be removed and 54% of people
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: do not believe his acquittal means he was absolved of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: what he did. That doesn't take away from your argument
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: about it not having, I think, shifted enough people to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: make it a cause that could get Republicans to remove him.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: That said, I don't think it's even a choice, right?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: I think one of the reasons I think we're in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: still to this moment a contentious and unsettled primary is
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: that no single person in this field has been able
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: to tell a story not only the economic story that
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I think people care about more or naturally more disposed
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: to being receptive to, but to be able to take
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: that economic story and put it to a larger story
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: about the threats to our democracy.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: And what Dan was saying about the impediments.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: To majority rule. And the brokenness in our society. Actually,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: it's Andrew Yang who we should say, you know, I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: think withdrew, but made an incredible argument for what's broken
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: in our culture, not just economically, but in the ways
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: our communities are currently working. And I think That doesn't
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: mean we're not going to win. That doesn't mean none
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: of these candidates are making incredibly strong cases. But it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: does tell you, I think, that there is this missing
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: part of the story that hasn't been.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: And that's that's all I'm saying, because I agree. Like,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I do not want people to go out there and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: start talking about only Bill Barr and this case about
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors and the two. I think that is a
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: losing message to just talk about that. But there's something bigger,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: like what Dan was saying about sort of the, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: why we have Trump in the first place and what
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: you were just saying that I think needs to be
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: part of the message. And I don't think has really
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: made it in yet.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I think the best distillation of that message that I've
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: heard is from the Midwest episode of The Wilderness. It's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: the race class narrative that was being used in Minnesota.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I think there is a way to take that to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: where it's not just about economic power, but also about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: democratic power, democratic power, which, you know, Someone who talks
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: about that very eloquently is Latasha Brown, who we had
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: on our HBO show from Black Voters Matter. And you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: tie those things together and you can make it matter
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: to a lot of people, which can, I think, heal
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: divides in the party and deal with turnout. But it
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: takes a lot of work and none of the candidates
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: are there yet.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's all we have for today. And I guess
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: we will talk to you guys next week.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: We're going to see. You and I are doing Tuesday.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, we are doing Tuesday.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: All right. Dan and I are going to do Tuesday
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: next week, which must be after a debate, I guess.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: President's Day.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, President's Day. I'm losing track of the days. All right.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump's going to add himself to presidency.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: It's my birthday now.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: We will talk to you then. Bye, guys. Bye. Pod
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Save America is a product of Crooked Media. The senior
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  Speaker 1: producer is Michael Martinez. Our assistant producer is Jordan Waller.
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  Speaker 1: It's mixed and edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle Seglin is
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  Speaker 1: our sound engineer. Thanks to Carolyn Reston, Tanya Somenator, and
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  Speaker 1: Katie Long for production support. And to our digital team,
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  Speaker 1: Elijah Cohn, Narmel Coney, and Yael Freed, and Milo Kim,
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  Speaker 1: who film and upload these episodes as a video every week.