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Murder In Moscow: Dylan Mortensen's Step Mother And The Interview With The NY Post · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Everyone and welcome back to the program. Dylan Mortensen's stepmother,
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  Speaker 1: Patty Monroe, made comments to the New York Post recently
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  Speaker 1: about how Dylan Mortensen's getting by and how she's doing
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the murders. And as you can imagine,
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  Speaker 1: things aren't going so well for her. According to her stepmother,
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  Speaker 1: she's suffering from survivor's guilt, still dealing with all of
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  Speaker 1: the trauma that goes along with something. Like what happened
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow. That's not something that you just get over.
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  Speaker 1: When something like that happens to you, and you have
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  Speaker 1: really good friends who end up dying, whether it's in
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  Speaker 1: a murder, or you're on an adventure, or whatever it
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  Speaker 1: might be, a lot of times, the people who survive,
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  Speaker 1: they're afflicted with survivor's guilt. And survivor's guilt often emerges
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  Speaker 1: in the aftermath of traumatic events where others have experienced
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  Speaker 1: significant harm or loss. It can be particularly prevalent in
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  Speaker 1: situations where the survivor perceives a random or arbitrary nature
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  Speaker 1: of the outcome leading to a sense of unfairness or
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  Speaker 1: a belief that they are somehow unworthy of being alive.
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  Speaker 1: This phenomenon is not limited to any specific type of
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  Speaker 1: traumatic event and it can occur in various contexts. For example,
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  Speaker 1: survivors of natural disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks, or combat can
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  Speaker 1: They might grapple with those kinds of feelings. It can
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  Speaker 1: also be present in situations like illness where a person
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  Speaker 1: survives while others facing similar circumstances do not. And here
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  Speaker 1: are a few key aspects of survivor's guilt. 1. A
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  Speaker 1: sense of unfairness. Survivors may struggle with the perceived randomness
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  Speaker 1: of fate. They might question why they survived when others
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  Speaker 1: did not, leading to feelings of guilt and an inner
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  Speaker 1: conflict about the perceived injustice. They might question their worthiness.
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  Speaker 1: Survivors may doubt their own worthiness of being alive or well,
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  Speaker 1: especially if they cannot find a rational explanation for their survival.
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  Speaker 1: This can contribute to a negative self-perception and feelings of inadequacy.
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  Speaker 1: It might also manifest as hyper-awareness of other suffering. Survivors
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  Speaker 1: often become hyper-aware of the suffering experienced by others. whether
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  Speaker 1: it be physical or emotional pain. They may feel responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the well-being of others, even if the events leading
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  Speaker 1: to the trauma were beyond their control. They might also
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  Speaker 1: have difficulty in celebrating their lives. Individuals with survivor's guilt
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  Speaker 1: may find it challenging to enjoy or celebrate their life.
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  Speaker 1: They may feel a sense of obligation to mourn or
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  Speaker 1: to suffer alongside those who did not survive, leading to
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  Speaker 1: a persistent emotional burden. and they might also feel like
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  Speaker 1: they're isolated. Survivor's guilt can contribute to social withdrawal and isolation.
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  Speaker 1: The survivor fear judgment from others or struggle with connecting emotionally,
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  Speaker 1: feeling that they can't relate to those who haven't experienced
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  Speaker 1: the same trauma. And coping with survivor's guilt is not
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  Speaker 1: an easy thing to do either. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times people, they'll seek out support from mental health professionals, friends,
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  Speaker 1: support groups, and whoever else that they feel might be
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  Speaker 1: able to help them out as they try and navigate
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  Speaker 1: what they're going through. But there's zero doubt that Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Mortensen and Bethany Funk are experiencing survivor's guilt according to
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  Speaker 1: what we have heard from people around them. And now,
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  Speaker 1: hearing from Dylan Mortensen's stepmother, Patty Monroe, in this article
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  Speaker 1: we're about to jump into, it would seem that that's
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here. So, let's get to this article
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  Speaker 1: from the New York Post, now that we have a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of an idea about survivor's guilt, and let's
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  Speaker 1: see what author Georgia Worrell has for us. Headline, Surviving
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  Speaker 1: Roommate in University of Idaho Massacre, Experiencing Survivor's Guilt, and
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  Speaker 1: Switched Schools. This is according to her stepmother. A year
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  Speaker 1: after the massacre of four University of Idaho students, the
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  Speaker 1: roommate who came face-to-face with a cold-blooded killer, but was spared,
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  Speaker 1: has transferred colleges, and is struggling with survivor's guilt, her
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  Speaker 1: stepmother told the Post in her first public comments. And
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  Speaker 1: all of that tracks. Imagine dealing with this sort of trauma,
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  Speaker 1: then all of the people in the aftermath questioning your motives,
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  Speaker 1: what you were up to, why you didn't do this,
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  Speaker 1: why you didn't do that. Has to be quite the burden.
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  Speaker 1: And then to know that this trial's on its way,
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to be expected to testify... Remember, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about kids here, really. 19, 20, 21 years old,
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  Speaker 1: now an adult for all intents and purposes. But life experience-wise,
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  Speaker 1: let's be real. These are kids we're talking about. So
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there's a burden on these surviving roommates.
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  Speaker 1: Patricia Monroe, said Dylan Mortensen, is doing okay since Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger allegedly slaughtered Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin on November 13th of 2022, inside 1122 King
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  Speaker 1: Road in Moscow, Idaho. There's a lot of guilt because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if someone says, oh, well, Dylan was so lucky,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to take on that luck
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  Speaker 1: because all of the children deserved luck. They all deserve
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  Speaker 1: to be spared from that, said Monroe, 53, of Costa Mesa, California. Monroe,
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  Speaker 1: who was married to Mortensen's father, Brent Mortensen, helped raise
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  Speaker 1: Dylan from the time she was seven years old, almost
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  Speaker 1: up until graduation from high school. She and Brent Mortensen
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  Speaker 1: have since gotten divorced, but, she insisted, she is still
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  Speaker 1: very aware of the situation and what Mortensen's doing and
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  Speaker 1: how she's doing, she said. And there's been some vile
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  Speaker 1: stuff posted and talked about when it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: roommates who survived. You know, people inferring that they might
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  Speaker 1: have had something to do with it, a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. And while there's certainly valid questions that
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  Speaker 1: need to be answered about what happened in the direct
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  Speaker 1: aftermath of these murders, and I'm sure we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get more context and some more clarity when we get
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  Speaker 1: closer to the trial. But with the gag order and
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  Speaker 1: all of the other circumstances that we find ourselves in
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  Speaker 1: when we're talking about what's going on in Idaho, there's
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  Speaker 1: only so much information we have as of now about
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  Speaker 1: what the roommates say they saw. So we only have
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  Speaker 1: the affidavit to go on. And obviously that's all going
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  Speaker 1: to change once the trial itself gets kicked off. But
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there's valid questions about what happened
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  Speaker 1: in that house in the direct aftermath of these murders.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know why 911 wasn't called right away.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what the investigators found out. But unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: we're not at a point yet where that's going to
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  Speaker 1: become public. Dylan's stepmom said the 20-year-old transferred universities this
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  Speaker 1: year but declined to say which one. Dylan came face
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  Speaker 1: to face with the alleged killer as he exited the house,
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  Speaker 1: standing in a frozen shock phase, as a figure clad
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  Speaker 1: in black clothing and a mask walked towards her, then
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  Speaker 1: towards the back sliding glass door of the house. A
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  Speaker 1: police affidavit stated she then locked herself in the room
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the night. And that's where the
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  Speaker 1: questions arise, right? You see something like that, why didn't
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  Speaker 1: you call 911? Look, that is a valid question. But
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  Speaker 1: when people start delving too deep and start making things up,
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  Speaker 1: that's when it becomes a problem, right? Oh, she was
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  Speaker 1: working with Brian Koberger, allegedly. Or she's a drug dealer.
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  Speaker 1: That's the kind of stupidity that was happening in the
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  Speaker 1: direct aftermath of these murders. All kinds of nonsensical BS
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  Speaker 1: scenarios that I wouldn't even believe if they were on
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  Speaker 1: a Lifetime movie. But here were a bunch of people
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  Speaker 1: trying to push that stuff. And you know what it's about.
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  Speaker 1: People are trying to get clicks for their website. People
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  Speaker 1: are trying to drive traffic to their content or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is, nobody knows what went down that
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  Speaker 1: night but those roommates, the investigators, and the person who
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  Speaker 1: the government tells us committed this heinous act. And that
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  Speaker 1: person is Brian Kohlberger. So anything besides that that people
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  Speaker 1: are talking about when it comes to this scenario of
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  Speaker 1: what happened in that house and the direct aftermath, It's
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  Speaker 1: all just speculation. Nobody knows but the people that I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned. For reasons still unknown, she and Bethany Funk,
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  Speaker 1: the other roommate who survived the attacks, didn't call the
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  Speaker 1: police until around noon the following day, according to Idaho investigators.
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  Speaker 1: This is just one fact social media trolls and citizen
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  Speaker 1: sleuths have latched onto in slamming Mortensen and Funk since
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  Speaker 1: the case gained worldwide attention last year. They've called her
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  Speaker 1: everything from a murderer and a drug dealer to transgender.
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  Speaker 1: Social media is filled with a bunch of miserable ass people.
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  Speaker 1: Just go and look at all the whining on a
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  Speaker 1: place like X or Instagram or Facebook about whatever the
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  Speaker 1: issue might be. All the whining and the biggest whiners
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  Speaker 1: do it on social media. And you know who else
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  Speaker 1: likes to use social media? Bullies. That's who. And if
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  Speaker 1: you're out here picking on these poor girls, that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what you are. Now, if you have valid questions to
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  Speaker 1: ask about that 911 call, that's a different story. You're
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  Speaker 1: out here calling this girl a drug dealer, transgender, whatever. You,
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  Speaker 1: my friend, are a moron. You never really think about
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  Speaker 1: the online backlash and trolls until you deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just really a hurtful thing, Monroe said. Again,
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  Speaker 1: people are just miserable. There's a lot of people out
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  Speaker 1: there that are miserable and they find a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fellow trolls travelers, if you will, in their echo chamber.
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  Speaker 1: So they go into their little social media hole. They
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  Speaker 1: talk about their nonsensical bullshit and all the other miserabs
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  Speaker 1: sit around encouraging it. I challenge anyone to be in
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  Speaker 1: a position where they wake up to four of their
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  Speaker 1: roommates gone and, you know, not even realizing it, she continued.
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  Speaker 1: People have to understand that these children are very young.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're just kids. And it's just really a
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  Speaker 1: traumatizing thing. I just think that people need to have
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  Speaker 1: some compassion. And I think that she's not wrong about that.
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  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, these are kids, man. College-age kids. None
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  Speaker 1: of them expected this. None of them wanted this. None
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  Speaker 1: of them asked for it. So it's certainly not Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Mortensen's fault or Bethany Funk's fault. Why don't we blame
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  Speaker 1: the person that the government tells us is responsible for
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And that's Brian Kohlberger. But you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: always people out there that have to be contrarian, that
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  Speaker 1: think that they're the main character in every story, right? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Sherlock Holmes. I'm going to blow the doors off
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  Speaker 1: this case. No, you're not. Sit down, shut up, have
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  Speaker 1: a drink and relax. And the crazy part is when
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  Speaker 1: their nonsense is proved to be exactly that nonsense, they
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  Speaker 1: just move on to the next person who they consider
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  Speaker 1: the suspect. Remember how many people were responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: murders in the direct aftermath? You had Jack, you had
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  Speaker 1: the neighbor, you had the Grubhub driver, you had Noah himself.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was responsible for these murders in the aftermath, according
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  Speaker 1: to the knuckleheads on social media. Meanwhile, not one of
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  Speaker 1: them was hip to the fact that it was really
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger. There needs to be space and time for
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  Speaker 1: all the details to come out in trial, said Monroe. Koberger,
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  Speaker 1: a 28-year-old Washington State University Ph.D. criminology student, is charged
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  Speaker 1: with four counts of first-degree murder and faces the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: A trial date has not been set. Koberger's lawyer, Ann Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: did not respond to the post's request for comment. And
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to get any comments from Ann Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: the gag order, and all of the other restrictions that
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  Speaker 1: are dropped over the case. The last thing she wants
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  Speaker 1: to do is talk to the media. And the same
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  Speaker 1: obviously goes for the prosecution. Alright folks, that's going to
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. All of the information that
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