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🚨 BREAKING NEWS 🚨: Jen Shah Guilty + Noella FIRED featuring Dustin Ross · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: What bothers me is the fact that Genshaw had the
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  Speaker 1: audacity to tape scenes talking about how she was targeted
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  Speaker 1: and her family was targeted because she's black and made
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  Speaker 1: it about race. And that's the part that pisces me
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  Speaker 1: off because at the end of the day, if you
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  Speaker 1: did the crime, do the time, that's what I believe,
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  Speaker 1: or or find a way.
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  Speaker 2: To work with the system. I'm not here to judge.
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  Speaker 1: You, but when you try to make it seem like
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  Speaker 1: you were targeted for being black, when black people are
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  Speaker 1: really targeted, we now are going to be questioned on
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  Speaker 1: are they using race to get out of the situation,
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  Speaker 1: and that Genshaw is some shit I will.
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  Speaker 2: Never forgive you for Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into this week's juicy reality TV recap with
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  Speaker 1: Dustin Ross right after he's quick ass Welcome to Reality
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  Speaker 1: with the King. It's me Carlos King, the King of
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  Speaker 1: reality TV and one of the most soft after executive
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  Speaker 1: producers in reality television with over ten years of production experience.
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  Speaker 1: Hey rain Drop, today's guest on Reality with the King
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  Speaker 1: is one of my favorites. He's the co host of
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  Speaker 1: The friend Zone in Holding Court with Ebanie k Williams.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about my friend Dustin Robb. Dustin and I
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  Speaker 1: dish on so many things, y'all. We talk about Noela,
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  Speaker 1: who's the first black housewife of the Orange County being
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  Speaker 1: fired off the show. Yes, not acts back, but being fired.
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  Speaker 1: So we get into that. We also get into his
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  Speaker 1: favorite reality show, which is the Love and Mash franchise,
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  Speaker 1: and his favorite melody Hot.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, what's that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 3: God.
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  Speaker 1: Reporting live from the Reality with the King News Studio,
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  Speaker 1: we have Jazz and Henley Brown with breaking news regarding
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  Speaker 1: Jen Shaw.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Carlos. This week's breaking news. Jen Shaw pleads
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  Speaker 3: guilty in wire fraud case. On Monday, July eleventh, Jenshaw
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  Speaker 3: from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City pleaded guilty
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  Speaker 3: to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. According
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  Speaker 3: to a plea agreement. Federal sentencing guidelines raged from eleven
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  Speaker 3: to fourteen years in prison. The guidelines are only advisory,
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  Speaker 3: and the judge could depart from them when he sentences
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  Speaker 3: her later this year. Wednesday, on Andy Cohen Live, Andy
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  Speaker 3: set the following I.
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  Speaker 4: Just want to say, you know, having sat with this,
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  Speaker 4: how do I feel. I'm upset? And I'm I'm especially
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  Speaker 4: upset for her victims. I'm upset that she lied for
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  Speaker 4: so long and claimed to me that she was an
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  Speaker 4: example of someone being wrongly accused. If you remember sitting
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  Speaker 4: there at that reunion, and she was so dogmatic about
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  Speaker 4: it that I felt, Okay, you know, let this woman
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  Speaker 4: have her day in court. I'm extremely upset about what
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  Speaker 4: she did. I'm also upset because, frankly, you get to
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  Speaker 4: know someone and you get to like them. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when you get to have a personal relationship and you
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  Speaker 4: work with someone, you get to like them. You want
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  Speaker 4: to cheer them on, and you hate to think that
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  Speaker 4: they're capable of this behavior.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: We shot all season with Jen and I have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of questions for her, and I'm sure the audience,
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  Speaker 4: especially those who supported her and stood by her, does too.
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  Speaker 4: And I really hope to get the opportunity to speak
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  Speaker 4: with her and to ask those questions.
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  Speaker 2: Oh child, what a doozy.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let's get into this conversation with Dustin Ross.
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  Speaker 5: Listen.
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  Speaker 6: It's fascinating, right, And I believe wholeheartedly that she is
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  Speaker 6: the center of the Salt Lake City Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: She's the fourth multiplier.
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  Speaker 5: She is she's the reason to watch.
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  Speaker 6: She is absolutely the force multiplier in that series. And
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  Speaker 6: this does nothing but add to the fascination of Jinshah.
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  Speaker 5: That's what this is.
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  Speaker 6: She is literally playing the game right in front of
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  Speaker 6: our faces, and it is fascinating to see. So if
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  Speaker 6: we wanted a personality that's interesting. If we wanted a story,
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  Speaker 6: damn it, we got it.
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  Speaker 5: Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: So, she appeared before the Judge Honey, Judge Sidney's side
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  Speaker 1: in the Manhattan Court at ten in the morning. Mind you,
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  Speaker 1: the cameras were shooting this, so a couple of the
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Saltlake City cast members were in New
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  Speaker 1: York City. So it looks like we'll be seeing this
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  Speaker 1: on the upcoming season. So she changed her plead to
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  Speaker 1: guilty to account of conspiracy to commit.
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  Speaker 2: Why you're frogged.
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  Speaker 6: It sounds like she listened. That sounds like an informed
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  Speaker 6: decision to me, right. It sounds like she got a
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  Speaker 6: hold of some information that her chances of lessening her
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  Speaker 6: jail tongue. Because please believe she's going to jail, Like
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  Speaker 6: there's no question. She literally played guilty to this. And
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  Speaker 6: if you look into the transcripts from the court proceedings.
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  Speaker 6: You can see where she plainly admitted to and identified
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  Speaker 6: exactly how she broke the law.
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  Speaker 5: Right, But let's get back.
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  Speaker 6: To the interesting parts of this, because we're not I'm
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  Speaker 6: not a lawyer, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: We just watch TV. That's how we know her ass.
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  Speaker 2: How it is, So you're not favorite Parks Esquire, not.
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  Speaker 6: At all, because she wasn't even good at being a lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: So I know I don't have a chance of being one.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, you never saw. Fun fact, I had
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  Speaker 6: a conversation with Cynthia Bailey before that season seven reunion
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  Speaker 6: and I told her, if Fasri Parks, you know, lights
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  Speaker 6: a fire underneath you, you just tell her to win
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  Speaker 6: a case, because we've never seen her do that on
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  Speaker 6: that show, and we got that legendary moment from our girl, Cynthia.
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  Speaker 5: So let's be clear.
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  Speaker 6: However, you know, I definitely feel like it's so gen
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  Speaker 6: Shah that the trial took place in New York City, right,
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  Speaker 6: that's so jinshat. She had to come to New York
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  Speaker 6: City for this high profile trial. Some of the housewives came,
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  Speaker 6: the cameras were rolled, and Carlos this is the stuff
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  Speaker 6: that dreams are made of as far as the viewers
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  Speaker 6: are concerned, and Jinshaw understands the assignment not a dream
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  Speaker 6: for us, okay, because we ain't. We ain't in front
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  Speaker 6: of the bench. Okay, We're just watching it go down,
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  Speaker 6: so we're like, yes, more more and when we love it. Jinsha,
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  Speaker 6: I just want to know what she was wearing, because
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  Speaker 6: remember when she got arrested fraud that she had the
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  Speaker 6: braids and the mink pancho when she was coming out
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  Speaker 6: of the courthouse and all of that was just so Jinshaw.
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  Speaker 6: It just proves why she is the one in Salt
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  Speaker 6: Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: So well, she's about to be the one out of
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years in jail. So she finally plaged guilty. What
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  Speaker 1: was interesting is her assistant, Stuart, who appeared on the show.
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  Speaker 1: He plaged guilty first while she was still pleading her
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  Speaker 1: innocence right, and everybody said that when Stuart plaged guilty,
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  Speaker 1: that shit was about to go down. It appears that
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  Speaker 1: Stuart allegedly had a lot of information on jin So
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  Speaker 1: it's not too surprising that she decided to plead guilty
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  Speaker 1: because her assistant, who knows where the bodies are buried
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  Speaker 1: he is the one who obviously played guilty first.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've learned in my years being of my.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyers and watching true crime is you oftentimes make a
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  Speaker 1: deal with the courts in order to take down the
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  Speaker 1: big honcho. So in this case, it appears that Jen
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  Speaker 1: may have been the big honcho. Do you think that
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  Speaker 1: Jen knew exactly what she was doing and that she
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  Speaker 1: is not innocent in any other things she's being accused of?
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  Speaker 6: Do I think she knew that there were some things
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  Speaker 6: going on as far as the business practices that she
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  Speaker 6: was involved in that were less than legal, for sure,
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  Speaker 6: for sure, But I believe that Jin Shaw I think
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  Speaker 6: she was great in the position that she played. I
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  Speaker 6: think there is another I think it's above her. I
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  Speaker 6: think there's another head hancho that she may even have
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  Speaker 6: been involved with taking down, which is why we got
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  Speaker 6: that eleventh hour or pivot from her where she played
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  Speaker 6: guilty to all of the charges or whatever it was
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  Speaker 6: against her. That happened right in the nick of time,
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  Speaker 6: like within minutes of her having the option to change
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  Speaker 6: her please she did, And so I think that may reflect,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a bigger picture here that it's not just
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  Speaker 6: her at the top. I think there's someone else that
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  Speaker 6: she may have had some opportunity to kind of make
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  Speaker 6: her situation a little bit better. She's cooperating with and
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  Speaker 6: then sometimes you know, that's the way the deck is
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  Speaker 6: stacked against you. So I don't really think it stopped
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  Speaker 6: at her. I think it was a little bit above her.
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  Speaker 6: But I definitely think she was aware that things may
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  Speaker 6: not have been the best, and I think she did
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  Speaker 6: her best to make sure they stayed out of the limelight.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know why she went on television, but you
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  Speaker 6: know she decided to.
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  Speaker 5: So here we are.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that a lot of people are asking is
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  Speaker 1: why do these reality stars who are allegedly committing crimes
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  Speaker 1: go on reality TV? And the question that someone like
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  Speaker 1: me get all the time is do you guys do
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  Speaker 1: a background check.
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  Speaker 2: On these people?
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  Speaker 1: So let me explain to you guys how this works.
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  Speaker 1: When you sign on to be a star of a
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  Speaker 1: reality show, there is a background check done on you.
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  Speaker 1: So there could be a mug shot that comes up
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  Speaker 1: in case you.
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  Speaker 5: Have a DUI.
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  Speaker 2: There could be.
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  Speaker 1: A situation that comes up of you committing you know,
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  Speaker 1: a simple crime like shoplifting, right, So those things come
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  Speaker 1: up obviously, when it came to things that Jenshaw is
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  Speaker 1: being accused of, you're not gonna find that an Alexis
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  Speaker 1: Nexus or Google search. And what Alexus Nexus is is
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  Speaker 1: this system to where it uncovers pretty much your entire
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  Speaker 1: history being on this earth, child, your social Security number,
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  Speaker 1: the hospital you were born in, and the doctor who
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  Speaker 1: slapped the bottom.
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  Speaker 6: It's your permanent record they talked about when you were
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  Speaker 6: in school.
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  Speaker 5: It's on your permanent record.
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  Speaker 2: But that is so no one would have known that.
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  Speaker 1: But the bigger question is you look at someone like
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  Speaker 1: Teresa Judas who I worked with as well, and what
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  Speaker 1: Teresa and Joe Judices went through was obviously the uncovering
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  Speaker 1: of tax invasion and all the things that she was
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  Speaker 1: accused of and that Joe was accused of. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the thing with Teresa is the fact that she served
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  Speaker 1: her time, you know, in that situation. I do not
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  Speaker 1: believe that Teresa knew what Joe was doing. That's my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe she knew. I think she was a
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  Speaker 1: typical housewife who was signed papers in front of her
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  Speaker 1: because she trusted her husband. But when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: jen Shaw, what's interesting though, is she really led everyone
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  Speaker 1: to believe. And this is the part that made me mad.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to get your opinion on this. You
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  Speaker 1: and I are both black men from Detroit, Michigan, and
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  Speaker 1: we have seen a lot and heard a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously when it comes to being black black in America,
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  Speaker 1: you are targeted oftentimes just based on the color of
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  Speaker 1: your skin period points stop. What bothers me is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Genshaw.
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  Speaker 2: Had the audacity to take scenes.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about how she was targeted and her family was
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  Speaker 1: targeted because she's black and made it about race. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the part that pisces me off because at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, if you did the crime, do
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  Speaker 1: the time, that's what I believe, or or find a
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  Speaker 1: way to work with the system.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to judge you.
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  Speaker 1: But when you try to make it seem like you
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  Speaker 1: were targeted for being black, when black people are really targeted,
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  Speaker 1: we now are going to be questioned on are they
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  Speaker 1: using race to get out of the situation, And that
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  Speaker 1: Genshaw is some shit I will never forgive you for.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was definitely a bad decision to
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  Speaker 6: kind of hit her wagon to something that is so
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  Speaker 6: serious and such a real problem with with with literally
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  Speaker 6: deathly consequence to our community. I think it was not
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  Speaker 6: the best thing for her to do to hitch her
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  Speaker 6: wagon too that, if I'm being honest, I didn't really
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  Speaker 6: now that we know and we're privy to her, you know,
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  Speaker 6: entering this guilty plea, right, which that's what we know.
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  Speaker 6: What we know is that she entered a guilty plea
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  Speaker 6: and said that in the court transit, you know transcription,
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  Speaker 6: she said that she knew what she was doing was illegal.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: So that makes me think back to the scene that
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  Speaker 6: she filmed with her mom. She did some sort of
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  Speaker 6: she made some sort of major financial decision to get
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  Speaker 6: the resources to support Jen at least on camera with
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  Speaker 6: this case. And so that those are the things, those
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  Speaker 6: are the areas where I'm like, okay, damn Jen. Now
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  Speaker 6: it's more than entertainment at this point. Now it becomes
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  Speaker 6: like an ethical issue or issue of your character.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: So it makes us, it makes it difficult for us
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  Speaker 6: as fans to just do something as simple as rally
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  Speaker 6: behind her with support of you know, we love Jinsha
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  Speaker 6: or whatever, a tweet or whatever. It's hard to even
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  Speaker 6: do that when you see that or of dishonesty, you know,
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  Speaker 6: in your face like that. So it'll be interesting to
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  Speaker 6: learn more information about this. I hope that whatever the
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  Speaker 6: best outcome is for her, she gets it, you know
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  Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And yeah, it's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 6: It's just cringey to kind of see when you think
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  Speaker 6: about that part.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that was cringey.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that your mother gave you her retirement fund
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  Speaker 1: to help out her daughter, which we all know mothers
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  Speaker 1: are the greatest creatures on this earth, like they will
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  Speaker 1: do anything for their children. Yeah, but the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you will allow your mother to go through that knowing
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  Speaker 1: that you were guilty of the crime that they were
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  Speaker 1: accusing you of. Not only that, Listen, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: what anyone says. I am a reality TV producer and
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  Speaker 1: I could spot some fake shit from the real ones.
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  Speaker 1: When she was parading around with those fake crocodile tears,
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  Speaker 1: as she's wearing Basachi and she's having gone her findee
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  Speaker 1: and she's you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, Gucci.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she did not come across as somebody who
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  Speaker 1: felt any remorse.
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  Speaker 2: One thing about.
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  Speaker 1: Teresa, which is why I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were on her side, is the fact that she showed
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  Speaker 1: remorse like I really didn't know what I was doing.
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  Speaker 1: I was signing papers my husband put in front of
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  Speaker 1: my face. And even when you look at someone like
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  Speaker 1: Erica Jane, so many people gave jen Shaw a pass
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  Speaker 1: because she's a funny character. Absolutely, because she knows how
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  Speaker 1: to give you a funny sound bite. But when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to Erica Jane, what's interesting is Erica Jane is
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  Speaker 1: not accused of stealing from orphans or stealing money out
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  Speaker 1: of these people who had a case settled and they
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  Speaker 1: kept the money. She's not accused of that. She's accused
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  Speaker 1: of being the byproduct of this, but she's not accused
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  Speaker 1: of the person who actually did the crime. But people
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  Speaker 1: read her for philth Let me ask you this, do
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  Speaker 1: you see the different friends and how the public my public,
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  Speaker 1: I mean Housewives, Twitter dot com, how they treat Erica
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  Speaker 1: Jane versus how they treated jen Shaw before she played guilty.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think it boils down to simply a
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  Speaker 6: likability factor. Erica Jane is not a likable character on television.
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  Speaker 6: What has made Erica Jane a person of interest on
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  Speaker 6: Real Housewives of Beverly and Hills is her willingness to
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  Speaker 6: have these sort of reactions that are opposite of the
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  Speaker 6: way she presents. Right, So when we see this rich
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  Speaker 6: housewife of an older, wealthy man who you know, exists
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  Speaker 6: with any spaces and communities, and then she mimics like
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  Speaker 6: the aesthetic of the black ITGG girls and she wears
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  Speaker 6: like logo heavy clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Is Erica Jane a city girl?
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  Speaker 6: She would like to be, but she's more like a
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  Speaker 6: suburban woman. And I think that is the realization that
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  Speaker 6: she's been faced with as these case proceedings have moved forward,
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  Speaker 6: you know. So I think in her quest to be
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  Speaker 6: you know, kind of a take no shit, you know
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  Speaker 6: character on that show, and she leans heavily into her
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  Speaker 6: southern heritage and her grandmother who taught her how to.
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  Speaker 5: Be fearless, and you know what have you.
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  Speaker 6: I think that kind of equated to the public, you know,
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  Speaker 6: not really embracing her in a way that they do
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  Speaker 6: a character who's more palatable, like Jin Shatt who simply
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  Speaker 6: makes you laugh, you know, gives you an over the top,
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  Speaker 6: gaudy aesthetic to everything that she does and is involved in,
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  Speaker 6: from the parties to her clothing, and you know, everything
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  Speaker 6: is just kind of over the top and entertaining, and
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  Speaker 6: that's the difference. So Erica Jane kind of rubbed the
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  Speaker 6: public the wrong way in several different ways, and people
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  Speaker 6: wanted to see her fall because she threw her wealth and.
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  Speaker 5: Her the lifestyle that she lived.
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  Speaker 6: She led with that that was like her stick on
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  Speaker 6: the show, and so people wanted to see that crumble
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  Speaker 6: if it was not authentic. And unfortunately, that's what we've
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  Speaker 6: been kind of privy to us. This thing has moved forward.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that's why we saw a difference in
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  Speaker 6: the reception as they both entered into these legal situations
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  Speaker 6: that were less than.
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  Speaker 1: Favorable before she played guilty. Did you believe jen Shaw
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  Speaker 1: was innocent?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 6: If I'm being honest, you know, I'm gonna keep it real, Carlos, No,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't. When I saw her. She was at a
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  Speaker 6: Lotto concert during all of this.
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  Speaker 1: Big Lotto, the rapper who has a song with Mariah
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  Speaker 1: Carey that one.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: Jenshaw was at a live show that Lotto did and
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: she actually got on stage and was dancing and twerking
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: with Lotto. This is during this time where she's been,
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: you know, underneath, where these she's been faced with these
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: charges and when I saw the way that she was living.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: To me, it didn't offend me. It just came off
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: as someone who was trying to have as.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Good of a time as she could while she could.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: That's what it looked like to me. And so once
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I kind of saw that and some of.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: The things that she was doing, the places she was
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: being photographed at. She was even at there's a bar
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: here in New York, shout out to Lambda Lounge in Harlem,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: Black gay On Bar. She even fell through there. You know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: it was photographed during this time. So Jen has literally
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: been living her best life in the worst of times.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: And I think that that is what, you know, kind
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: of clued me into the fact that there may be
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: something to these charges. She's trying to have fun while
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: she can.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. So as
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: we're watching her have fun, live her best life, go
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to these parties, working on stage with Big Lotto with
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the Mariah Carey Energy Fantasy remix, and you're saying that,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: in her mind, she was probably saying, let me enjoy
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: life as much as I can, because I know that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I'll be going to jail soon even if I don't
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: plead guilty. I know that my days being outside are numbered.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: That's what I believe.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm assuming based on what I witnessed, because otherwise,
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: what other logical explanation is there When you know, based
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: on what you said during these court transcripts, that you
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: did this crime, you know what I mean? She said
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: she was fully aware that she was selling these entities
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: of little or no value to elderly persons over the
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: age of fifty five. She said she was aware of that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: So if you're aware of all that, to me, it
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: seems like you did you know. And I can't even
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: say I'm mad at it, because if you know you're
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: gonna have to do the time, if you know it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: coming up, then go ahead and get it all out
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: while you can, you know, while you're able in free.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: To so.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Closing out on this at the end of the day,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this too, there is no show without Jenshaw.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And in my humble opinion.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Just like when Teresa went to jail, the show was
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: put on pauls. Teresa is such a force multiplier that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: they put the show on pause until Miss Thinks served
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: her three hundred and sixty five days in jail because
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: they knew no shade that Caroline, Jacqueline, Melissa Gorga and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the rest of them couldn't I carry a show without Teresa,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and that is no shade When I look at the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I caught a few
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: episodes of season one, and the only thing that drew
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: me to that show was Jenshaw. She's a fascinating character,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: She's polarizing, and like you said, Dustin, she's highly likable.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: can't survive without Jinshaw?
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Yes, because we know that she will return at some point.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: We know that there will be some more information at some.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Point dustin season sixteen.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: I don't think she's going to get fourteen years, Carlos.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: I think that she entered that last minute guilty plea
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: in the eleventh hour for a reason. So I believe
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: that there is some sort of deal being worked out
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: on Ginshaw's behalf. The way that she was so descriptive
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: and specific in saying what she did wrong in those
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: court transcripts me leads me to believe that there was
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: some sort of motivation behind that money talks. I think
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: I'm not a post to the idea that their money
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: came from somewhere else to kind of influence this and
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: put her in a situation where they can get her
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: back because it is such a big draw for the series.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: We don't know who moved what chess pieces on the
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: board to get us here, but I do believe that
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: the show can either go on pause, like you said,
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: which would make the most sense to me, if we
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: have a window of time that will allow that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: If you don't think Genshaw's getting fourteen years, how many
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: years do you think she's.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Getting, Maybe she'll do two years of time and then
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: get released after that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So, according to the transcripts, the judge told Jenshaw, are
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you aware that you cannot dispute I've got the number
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of months, but equal to fourteen years, and she said,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to dispute it because he said that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the maximum that I can't give you. Listen, we know
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that plea deals are made all the time. I'll be
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: shocked if she gets two years. This is what I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: think the reason why Teresa got one year, because everybody
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: thought that Teresa would get a couple of months, because
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: obviously she truly did not know allegedly what she was signing,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: but they gave her almost the maximum wents was the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: year because they wanted to teach her a lesson.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: That's what the court said.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They're trying to teach people a lesson because they don't
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: want these reality stars or celebrities to get off so easily.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: So and listen, I hope I'm wrong.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to demand someone to spend a certain
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: amount of time in jail. But I think because she's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a public figure, I think because she's a reality star,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and lastly, because she's a real housewife, I think they're
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: going to send a message.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: To people through her.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And if you're going to put the Real Housewives of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City on Paulls for fourteen.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Years, yeah, well they're going to have to move on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Hopefully they'll bring Mary Cosby back. Right, if we got
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: rid of Jens charl let's bring Mary Cosby's crazy ass bag.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: We can deal with more of her antics, right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: And let's I also think maybe that from maybe the houseword,
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: maybe Salt Lake City is not dead, because now that
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: people know that there is an option to be a
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: real housewife of Salt Lake City, maybe now the casting
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: department can find some more interesting personalities who are willing
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: to show their lifestyle off now that they know they can.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe this will work out.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It remains to be seen.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my conversation with Dustin. Will
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: be right back after this quick break. This is Reality
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: into this reality TV rundown with Dustin. So it has
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: been announced that the first Black Or County housewife, Noela,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: has been let go, allegedly because in her aliah for
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a page letter, she stated that she left the show.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all this.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Let me school y'all about these housewives announcements. Let me
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: just call it that, out of all the housewives who's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: been fired or let go or left the show, only
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a handful of housewives have left the show. And I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: going to tell you who those women are who left
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: on their own accord. Bethony Frankel, Monique Samuels, Lisa vander Pump,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Dina Manzo Portia.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And that's it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So, when a housewife tells you she left the show,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: she got fired.
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, you know, I appreciate people who are like my girl,
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Cynthia Right, who was an integral part of the Real
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: Housewives of Atlanta. She mattered to the success of that show.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: And Cynthia was very transparent about the fact that she
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: was offered a friend of the show contract and she
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: was ready to move on anyway, and she just took
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: advantage of that. And as we see, she's thrived post
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: her departure from Housewives, continually acting, did a successful stent
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: maate it to the top three on Celebrity Big Brother,
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: which nobody thought she was going to be able to do,
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: you know, and she's really proven herself to be to
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: have a marketplace value in entertainment, from hosting to competing
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: on shows to now acting consistently Right, I appreciate stories
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: like that. To me, it's really whack to try to
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: pretend as if you know you decided to move on Niani,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: when obviously you know you did not, and everything about
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: the way the situation unfolded speaks to that being what
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: the real story was. I think that there is something
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: to be said about the integrity of a person who
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: can say no, it was.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: A mutual decision. They were ready to move on, so
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: was I.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: And look the proofs in the pitting in the putting
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: post my departure, that's what I appreciate personally.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So and you know, like I said, when it comes
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to Nobela, her and doctor Jen Armstrong both released a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: statement at the same damn time, on the same damn
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: day saying that we're moving on to green and pastures,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: which to me is just the grass in your backyard.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing you're moving on to, and I'm
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: mad at it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: However, were you shocked that the first black housewife of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: OC got the boot?
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Yes? And here's why.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I thought that Noela understood her assignment as a rocky
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: housewife on the Househoives of Orange County, and I thought
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: she did a good job, you know, kind of dribbling
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: the balls of personality amongst that cast. I think that
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: her feud with Heather was not forced. I think it
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: was like it grew organically. I just think that Noela's
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: problem again, she just wasn't likable to a lot of
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: the viewers for some reason. What that reason is, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: can be debated amongst you know, the conversations that are having.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: No The problem is she was dehydrated. And one thing
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: as a producer that I appreciate. Look, I want you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to be thirsty. I don't want you to be dehydrated, though,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And this is the difference. Thursday means you will do
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: whatever it tastes to make sure the show is great,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Like I'm going to tell my truth,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I think you have someone like a Winter Williams on
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the Love and Marriage DC franchise, who is an outstanding
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: personality who gives everything to the show and it shows
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in the product. I think Noela should study Melody Holt.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I think Noela should have studied some of those women
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: who are naturally themselves and are great. So I was
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: not surprised she got fired, but I was disappointed that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It could have been interesting to see what a second
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: season will look like because I just don't think a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: first season Housewise should ever get fired.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, I do, but I'm not a producer, right,
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I'm just a viewer. I do certain people like to me,
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Samari Devau needed to go, or Real Housewives of Atlanta
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Carlton on Beverly Hills, she needed to go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: There were people who literally just went and done so
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: they had to go.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: There are also situations where those one and dons are
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: a damn shaking people like Claudia Jordan, right, people like
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Noela or real housewives of Orange County. Now, if I'm
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: being honest, yes, I definitely saw that the parched nature
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: of some of the choices that were made, you know,
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: and Noela's wielhouse. But I just I think I just
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: wanted her to work because I felt like the fundamental
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: elements of a good housewife were there, and I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: Noela just needed to be a little bit more. I
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: don't even know how to describe it, but there was
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: there was a disconnect there, it was and there was
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: something performative about, you know, the way that we experienced
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: her on the show.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: I definitely see it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: I just would I think if given the proper tools,
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: she could have been a great housewife on Orange County.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: I do, and by proper tools, I mean a better cast.
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: Because let's be clear, how much can you do with
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: Gina and Emily, right, I thought that, you know, and
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: then her husband as well. I don't think that he
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: helped her in any way. I think that is the
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: scandal involving him. I actually think that hurt her a
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: little bit. Noela was so wild it would have been
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: nice to see her with a stable family unit to
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: kind of balance out the antics. And I think that
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: his unwillingness to participate in this situation kind of hurt her.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: So you know, they did my girl dirty, but whatever,
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: you know, and she contributed to that with her her actions.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Do you think have a debro is the cause of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Noela not being asked back for another season?
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: No, because I don't think that with I think that
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: that there are other MVPs in the in the Orange County,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: you know, universe that kind of are more valuable.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: To the franchise than Heather is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: I think when you have someone like Tamra who's willing
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: to come back and who we know can really be
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: she can drive that cast on her own, right. I
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: think with people like that willing to come back, Heather
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: do bro. While she has a beautiful home and a
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: very rich, wealthy family and her I think her children
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: are interesting, but I don't think that she is like
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: an anchor for the cast in a way that she
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: would have that sort of influence to say, you know
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: her or me or I don't want to participate if
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: she is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think Heather has that sort.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Of pull I do you know what it is to me?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I think she thought Novella declassed the show
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, you know, I think she thought. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: think she thought, look, I'm coming back on the show,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: bringing my Noboo dinners, my Noboo chef, you know, to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: this franchise.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Y'all had Kelly Dodd on it. She's not my cup
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of tea.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I think Kelly DoD is not on the show because
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of Heba Debro and I know watch the shows past
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: episode seven, so I don't watch the reunion. But the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: cliff that became viral was Heather sort of send off
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: message to Noela where she said, if you and I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to be around each other again, I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: think you and I would actually get along. And a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: lot of people took that ask Okay, Mama, you may
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: be onto something in terms of Noela's fate. So because
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of that is what I believe. Again, am I always right?
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: However I could be wrong in this instant.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: The only point that I would like to make as
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: far as that is concerned, is that, well, Heather Durou's
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: lifestyle is aspirational, right, Like you see these things in
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: his wealth and like you said, the noble chefs in
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: the home, cooking these.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Dinners and all those things. That's great.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: But to me, from what I know of the real
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: Housewives of Orange County, it never was really about aspirational living.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: These were wealthy women because they lived in an area
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: that was really expensive, but their homes weren't necessarily sprawling estates,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: They were very every day woman in that environment.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: There wasn't the like rich, wealthy lifestyle element that existed
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: in say, Beverly Hills.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: So I do think that's a value to this this cast.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: But when you have a girl who literally will put
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: on you know, some some wooden wedge sandals like Tamra Barney,
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: you Tambra Judge, you know what I'm saying, and get
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: in there and you know just kind of like give
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: you that braw, you know what I mean, authentic. You
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: know that that's the spirit of Orange County to me,
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: you know what i mean, Like they were never the
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: style girls or the you know, the wealthy. You know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: they just was doing all right, you know, but willing
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: to kind of get in that paint. So I hope
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: that that is not why Noella left because if you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: if we're tipping, the scales of Noela was more in
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: the heather was entertaining because of Noela this season.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The season would have been more of a flop with
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Thatt Noela. But let's move on to another first black
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: housewife and that is your co host, Ebony K. Williams,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: who I had on my podcast. So as we all know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of New York City is being split
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: into a legacy franchise in addition to a more diverse
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: franchise of the city.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: You being friends with Ebany K.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: William do you think she will be asked back to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, I do.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know whether she will participate in it, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: I definitely think that her what they described this new
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: reimagined Real Housewives of New York series to be. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: think that she is literally the personification of everything that
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: they said they were looking for. And I think that
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: her being so that as opposed to what the franchise
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: once was, That's exactly why there was a disconnect between
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: her and some of the more some of the more
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: you know, stale cast members on that show. But I
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: definitely think that she speaks to what the new vision
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: of the show would be and I would love to
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: see her have fun on the show with a cast
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: of women who are her contemporaries and are her peers.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: In the New York society, Ebone is very well connected
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: and you can see it and through the work that
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: she does and in the way that she presents where you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: See her in the city. She's a socialite.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: She is very heavily involved in all of the right
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: communities in New York, and I think that they would
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: be foolish not to include her in that. She's busy,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: so I don't know if she would even be open
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: to doing it. And she also had an experience that
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: you know, she handled like a pro, but was that
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: necessarily the most comfortable experience for her, you know with
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: the fans from that season, So we don't even know
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: if that's something she would be interesting in. I would
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: love to see people get to know the Ebony that
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because do you think that show
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: represented the EBONYE. K. Williams that you are in real
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: life friends.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: With, Yes, in a way that she's a principled woman
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: who is very much governed by a sense of right
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: and wrong. She is very passionate about fighting for black
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: people in this country, and she's literally done the work.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: She's an attorney, so she's done the work to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: able to empower herself to do just that, and her
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: work record speaks for that. So in that vein, yes,
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: I know Ebany personally, So there's a comfort level of
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: transparency that her and I have as friends, which you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: you can only show so much of on television if
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: given the opportunity too. And I don't think that she
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: was given the opportunity to show that side of her,
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: because it was much more interesting to watch her do
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: this work to help these women who some were willing
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: and some were unwilling to unlearn these really bad, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: ways that they have had.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: And so I think that that kind.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Of eclipsed the fun, hilarious side of Abbey that you
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: and I both know, and I think if given the opportunity,
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: she would excel. And the people that got it this
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Ebbey's experience on Ronie thirteen to me, if you got it,
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: you got it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: If you didn't, you just didn't, and you didn't.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: Get it for a reason, because she was so clear
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: and intentional with the conversations that she was having with
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: those women.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: It just was simple to me.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: And either you were a person who found herself uncomfortable
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: in those situations so you were turned off to her
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: on the show, which I get, or you are a
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: person who was like, damn, you know, she is really
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: keeping her composure amongst the sea of women who I
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: would be cussing out, you know what I'm saying. But
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: she was handling herself very well. So I would love
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: to see her let her hair down and be the
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: e that I know she is on Ronnie for the
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: world to see. I think she deserves that, I don't think,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: especially since they did not have a reunion where she
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: would have been able to answer your questions and really
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: identify her reasons, why, her intentions.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Behind some of the choices she made on the show.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: She was robbed of that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: So I think it's only fair that she's given an
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: opportunity to shine amongst the crest of women who she
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: is more suited to be amongst.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and if she's not asked back, what do
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you think what happened?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Nothing?
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: I think life would go on and she would end
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: up on the view somewhere or on a panel talk
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: show where she can use her expertise and her charm
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: and her humor to kind of wool the world over
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: in another way if she so wishes to do that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: And Ronie God blessed the casting director to hopefully they
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: get it right and find these dynamic women that you
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: and I know exist in mass in New York City.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: There are so many women who can make a dynamic cast, wealthy, connected, powerful, funny, smart, sexy, beautiful,
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: interesting In general. New York City is populated with tons
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: of these women and I see them every day.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: So if not, I'm sure they'll be able to do
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: their thing.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: And much love to the show because no matter what,
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: she still held that apple, and she will always be
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: a real housewife from New York City, whether the audience
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: likes it or not. So hopefully we get to see
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: her come back, and if not, she made her mark.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Let's get into one of your favorites, Love Marriage Franchise,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: because you love Huntsville and you also love DC.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I do, so let's.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Talk about this past week's episode of Love and Marriage DC,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: where Winter Williams Yes gabe A Karen Clark Sheard mixed
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: in with Deranda Clark Cole gospel him about her listen
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: ex husband Kevin and the couple's trip of it all.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: So let's let's let's just speak overall about the overall
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: about loving marriage DC.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Right, this is hit a few key points. Number one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: Number one, we're witnessing the birth of some reality superstars
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: here because Ashley Silva was born to do this. Okay,
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: she is a natural. She's fearless on camera. She is
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: unafraid to have an honest reaction. You can watch her.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: She's very What I love most about Ashley is she's very,
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: very present in the scenes. She's giving it to you
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: right off the dome. She's not rehearsed. She is actually
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: being authentic inn these scenes. And I appreciate that right
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: because it makes for great television. To me, She's the
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: perfect balance to a person like Ariana Tyler, who is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Essentially a nice she she is endearing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: The scene when her and Jamie, her oldest son, were
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: at the car line and she became tearful talking to it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: That was some real black shit, black mother and son
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: shit that we witnessed.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: That was real.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Those were real concerns she had for her family, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: it just it made her personal story valuable more than
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: her having conflict with these women or whatever. Tasha is
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: a great friend of the show, right, She's tapping in
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: when as needed and giving us just enough Winter Williams,
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: I believe, and this is totally your call, but I
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: believe next year Winner will be in the credits. In
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: the opening credits of season two. There's no reason she
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: has literally like danced beautifully across our television screens for
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: nine episodes. Right, we're looking forward to episode ten, the reunion,
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: which she actually went live a couple of days ago,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: and she was She didn't really give anything away, but
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: she said just enough for us to know that there
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: are fireworks ahead of us at their reunion. I cannot wait.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So tomorrow is the season finale of Love and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Matter of DC, and then after the week after that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: is the two part reunion. The first part is going
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to air and Dustin. All I'm going to say to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: you is it is the coldest winter ever at this reunion.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: I'm so ready.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: And we knew we expected that, right, We kind of
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: expected her to be the center of the nucleus of
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: the conversations that would take place at the reunion.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: But I can't wait to see just how fast this
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: thing spins.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: Monique Samuels is someone who when we met Monique, I
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: love Monique. I'm a Monique Samuels fan, and immediately I
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: identify the things about her that made her perfect to
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: be on ensemble reality television cast like RHOP and now
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: Loving Marriage DC, where she's even more comfortable. Right, But
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: she wasn't my favorite when she was introduced on season
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: two of RHOP. She grew on me and she I
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: grew to literally love Monique and I was totally on
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: her side in the season five divide. I was completely
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: team Monique Samuels. So this redemption arc that she's getting,
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: you know, leading this cast in Love and.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Marriage DC, I love to see it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: And Chris are a beautiful black family with beautiful Black children,
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: and they need to be viewed. We need to see
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: those little kids running across aint the Serengaddy out in
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Africa and VKA. We need to see all of that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: We love it, right, and I think that she was
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: gifted in this cast more willing participants in the show
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: right because Herrina is showing up right, Ashley is showing
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: the fuck up right, and Monique is able to kind
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: of exist in a way where she's not infallible. You know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: she's without fault on this cast, She's definitely been pushing
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: certain buttons and flipping certain switshes to keep the conversation moving.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: But it works and we get to see the growth.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Monique is a great anchor, bringing out the best you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: know around her. And like you said, Ashley, and I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: said this to the audience before the showvin Air, that
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: she's going to be one of the most iconic reality
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: starts in the world. Arena is fantastic winter, like you said, Tasha,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but Monique, Monique's eye for talent and Monique's eye for
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: making sure a scene takes place is the reason why
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I say this season could not have happened without Monique.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Monique.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Monique has this very quiet presence to where she's able
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to move the pieces around. Monique is like I'm the anchor,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: She's the bone collector, she's the messenger, she's the peace baker.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: She hosts these parties like Monique is everything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm so happy you saw the intention of what
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do with Monique on love and marriage
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and that really wants to show a different side of her.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And yes, listen, this all is gonna be haters, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: there's people who are like she talks to Chris dirty,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: which we do get into at the reunion. And all
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say is Monique Samuel's gives a Maya
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Angelo Inspire declaration on Black women and their husbands. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: when I say to you, it gave me chills. You
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: know Maya's book Why the Cage Verse sings, Baby, Why
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Monique is singing? Because I'm telling you it is going
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: to inspire the people.
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: We are definitely ready that cast is really doing their thing,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: and getting to know them has been great. I've encouraged
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: everybody I can to watch it because we're literally watching
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: these stars be born.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Astley Silva was born.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: To be a reality television star. She's at a place
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: in her life where she wants something of her her own.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: She's tired of just being Quick's wife, and I think
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: she was upfront about that from the beginning, So this
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: opportunity was perfect for her. I saw clips from her
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: down in essence last weekend. She looked so beautiful, bone straight,
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: long hair, you know, down to her hips, and she
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: was being photographed with the fans like she's really really,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: She's in her groove with this and that's what we
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: want because DA equates to an incredible performance on camera
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: when it's time and it is authentic. She I don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: feel like she's putting on or trying, or thirsty or
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: parted or dehydrated, even.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Like we mentioned, she's in fact the opposite. She's so real.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: So I just I've thoroughly been enjoying that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: And do you do you?
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: I get Chara whit Phil and you worked with Charade
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: season one, so you knew you get it. I get
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: CHARAE Whitfield vibes from Ashley Silva as far as her
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: just being like a natural, like she literally is perfect
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: on camera in these scenes.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, athlete Sylbil was born to be a star.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But it's sort of similar to when I met Melody.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Melody was born to be a star and born to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: be on television. You're also a big Love and Marriage
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Huts fans.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: It's so funny because Love and Marriage Huntsville we never watched.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: We didn't watch that show in the first season, you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: anticipating drama. It wasn't conflict driven. We were fascinated by
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: these black, young entrepreneurial couples, you know in this city
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: that we were not exposed to previously on television that
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: were doing the damn thing, living good, raising children. And
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: it's sure there was conflict, you know, but that wasn't
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: why we watched the show. And so to see how
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: these relationships, the stories of these relationships, to see them
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: on fold, to see Tisha's growth, to see Letitia become
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: much more self aware as the time has gone on,
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: you know, to now the fourth season, to see the
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: dehydration of someone like Kiki, who will come on this
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: show and simply wants to be on the camera, come
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: hell or high water. To see Miss Wanda inserting herself.
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: Miss Wanda's playing a bit of a dangerous game to me, Carlos,
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: because you can see people like Melody and Kimmy. You know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: black people we raised a certain way. We just don't
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: argue with older people because it's disrespectful, especially considering that
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: that's someone's mama. You want people to respect your mama
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: and you respect other people's mother. Mss Wanda makes it
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: difficult because she brings herself right down to the ground
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: floor level with other cast members, and unfortunately we end
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: up with situations like we saw side of the Madonni
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: Grand opening that's coming up my one message. And I
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: am a person who has been Team Melody hosts actually
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: team Melody and Martel from day one. Martel has made
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: it a little less, He's made it a little challenging
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: to rally around him with support right as of late.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: But Melody, this is the Melody Show. I love Melody, hope,
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: and that's just the way it is. That's the way
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be. She is loving Mary Huntsville. This is
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: her shit.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, here's my thing, Melody.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Right now, Carlos is having a Nini League's season six moment.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Where she is.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: Not being kind to certain people on this show that
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: I feel like she should be and I don't want
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: it to affect her and affect people's reception of her
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: on this cast. Melody doesn't have to be as defensive
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: as she has been lately with people like Kimmy okay,
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: and with other people who have offered up literally Kimmy
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: has been so fair to her and still has been
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: a friend to her, per what we've seen on the show.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: And Melody is almost.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: Looking for and anticipating the other shooter drop in her
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: relationship with Kimmy, and it's coming off as less than
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: likable for her, and I hate it so bad because
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Melody is a person who is done wrong in all
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: of this, and I think that she operates from a
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: space of hey, let's not forget I got cheated on
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: this nigga had a baby on me, I had to
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: get a divorce, and now you guys are nitpicking my behavior.
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: But some of them are really trying to be her friends.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: So I don't want her to go down that slippery
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: slope of a strength making herself a strange from the
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: rest of the cast. Still be friendly, Still be in
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: relationship with the people that you can keep calling the
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: shit out the way that you do, and you'll bat
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: a thousand for the rest of your time on this show, Melody,
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: because we support you, we love you, we want you
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: to win. I was so seeing her host the show
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: with you on own, you know, seeing her work outside
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: of the Love and Major's Huntsville universe. That's what we want.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: We love to see that because she's got what it takes.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: Melody Hot is, without a doubt, a star.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: She has star.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: Quality, flat out, and she's prepared and ready for these opportunities.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: So I just want to see her continue to have
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: that sort of growth. And I also want to see
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: her kind of safeguard her likability factor amongst the cast,
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: because I think that's important and I don't want to
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: see her Nini leaks herself amongst this cast of characters.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: When Nini made Cynthia crime, go ahead and laugh, Carlos,
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: because it's the truth. When Nini made Cynthia cry and
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: Savannah when she was questioning Cynthia's parenting of Noel, we
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: are the fans very much developed a side that has
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: grown into a resentment almost to this day, because her
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: behavior has spoken to that nastiness and it was so unnecessary, right.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: We didn't like seeing her do Cynthia like that because
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Cynthia was a loving friend to Neini and she didn't
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: deserve that. I don't want to see Melody make that mistake.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: And I believe that Melody Holt is a stud enough
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: and smart enough and aware enough of how to move
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: within this space that she won't let it happen. But
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: sometimes you just need a little touch of love on
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: the shoulder to say, hey, boo, don't do it that way,
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: because we love you. Make sure you still being friends
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: with these people where you can.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Isn't Dustin such a good time And let's not even
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: get into his boy. Hi, this is Dustin, and this
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: is how I feel about loving marriage.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Haun's building.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, Like Melody, Monique, Cynthia, Yeah, you
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: don't look I think y'all like to read me and
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: my hot pitch voice, huney, but I can't go deep
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: very quiet storm okay, late night radio voice.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, but all jokes.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I really hope you'll enjoyed that conversation with Dustin. It
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: was so interesting to hear his take on jen Shaw
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: being a city girl. But now she's going to be
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: a prison bay and I really do feel sorry for her,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: and it's going to be very interesting to see whether
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: or not the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City can't
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: survive without her.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: But I want to hear from you guys.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, thoughts, opinions.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Read about my recap with Dustin.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Email me at Reality with the King at stiffrid dot
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