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Assault on small business · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:12
  I'm Stephanie Foxon.
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  And I'm Kathy Anderson Martin.
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  And we are two women influencing real life.
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  So let's twirl.
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  You know, small business are really is really the fuel of our economy.
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  And more and more we're seeing policies put in the place that may not be in the best interest of small businesses.
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  Not that this is new, but we see them pop up multiple times, multiple states.
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  And it's a little curious, if you ask me, Kathy.
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  I think the word would be um almost an assault on small business.
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  Is that too um never too aggressive?
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  Okay, never too aggressive.
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  I feel aggressive today.
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  My foot hurts, so I feel aggressive.
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  Don't be a complainer.
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  Okay.
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  So anyway.
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  And so, you know, what happens in one state happens in multiple states.
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  And so what we are doing today is we're bringing in someone who tracks legislation, tracks trends, and is actually following this stuff to say what's you know, not just what's happening in PA, but where's the stuff coming from?
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  Because it's important to know what's happening in your state.
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  And now is the time when you you you can't say I'm too busy.
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  You've you've got to get in there and you've got to fight if you want the opportunity to have a small business, in my opinion.
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  Right.
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  So we we talk about we're we're based in Pennsylvania, so we talk a lot about people in Pennsylvania, but we say on every show these apply to you wherever you are in the country for things that you should be paying attention to and looking out for.
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  And today it's about small business ownership.
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  Absolutely.
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  And so with that, I'm Stephanie Coxson.
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  I'm Kathy Anderson Martin, and we are two women inspiring real life.
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  So let's twirl.
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  Thank you so much for coming on our show again, Tracy.
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  We love having you on here.
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  We've got Tracy Joaquin who is you know, tearing it up legislatively and keeping the small businesses within our area, you know, accountable and informed and informed.
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  And absolutely.
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  You know, I think it's interesting, Tracy, and you were here probably a year or so ago, um, to share a little bit about what you do and how you started doing it, um, you know, as background for your story.
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  So um, we are an advocate for small businesses.
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  Okay.
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  And we are here to prevent government overreach.
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  Why?
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  Because we saw it all happen during COVID.
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  And my husband and I owned two businesses that we lost during COVID because of the government overreach.
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  Here in Pennsylvania, they shut us down hard.
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  Right.
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  So my female business, female um health health gym.
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  Um, we lost 400 members out of 800.
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  So basically what that transformed me into a small business advocate.
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  I I decided to act.
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  So you close your business ultimately closed because of the all, I mean, you lost 50% of your clients almost overnight.
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  So you closed the business.
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  Correct.
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  Correct.
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  So and that inspired me to go and learn more and go find out who my senators are, find out who the led many of us were like that too.
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  And could I just um back up and I when that was happening, the COVID shutdowns and so forth, you were trying to get like, hey, somebody help me, like the chambers of commerce and those kind of people, right?
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  Or weren't you going to try to say, hey, do we have any so actually we did pull in um at the time a representative?
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  Okay.
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  And we brought them here to our gym.
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  And uh instead, what I did is I lost a couple members because God forbid it was a Republican representative, so they quit their membership.
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  Okay so that's what it did for me.
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  And basically, he didn't know what to do either.
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  Yeah, he really they nobody knew what to do.
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  Um precedent.
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  It it really was so um so now I sit in labor and industry hearings at our state capital in Harrisburg, and I listened to the ridiculous stuff that's being put out to crush, I called it crush, crush small businesses.
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  So my term assault was it's too um too aggressive, as Stephanie said.
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  And am I allowed to say that your brother Kathy sits on that labor and industry?
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  Not that he's crushing, but he's he's sitting there in the in just disbelief as well as I am during these hearings, listening to some of this stuff.
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  So what I do then is I take what I I saw at the hearing and I write it all up in an email and I send it out to our membership so they know what's going on with either it's a legislation, the bill.
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  I also give an opinion, but one thing I also do is I I share the quotes that they actually say about small business owners.
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  So I've heard things like you um small business owners are slave owners.
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  They've actually said that.
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  Yes, it might have been somebody there.
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  Let me guess they were a democrat in Philly.
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  That's a Philadelphia Democrat that's shocking.
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  Yeah, shocking.
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  Um, possibly I guessed it.
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  Yes, there you go.
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  I think um big hat we have uh 13 Ds on there, and only 11, all 11 have never owned a business.
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  So they're in labor and industry committee, and they've never experienced owning a business.
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  Um maybe you don't know a lot of some of them have never even worked in the private sector.
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  I mean, they've always been in government kind of jobs, public service, right?
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  Yes, it's uh it's uh it's annoying.
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  Correct.
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  So they don't know what it would be like to be part of a slave-driving small business is my understanding.
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  You know what else though?
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  They also um they they believe that unions are for everybody.
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  So the pizza shop down the street also needs a union.
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  So if you have you employ five people, you should be unionized.
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  You know, what's interesting is we have a friend who is in HR, and I was having this discussion with her, and she said they're non-union and so she has both union employees and non-union employees, different, you know, different hospitals, different roles, different whatever.
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  And the non-union actually make out better.
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  Interesting.
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  Yeah, non-union.
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  I mean, I've known that I've read the stats on it and the research on it, I've known that for years, but she verified it still to this day.
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  Non-union people make out better.
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  Well, the union employees um are beholden to the union, and the union, I think the tends to defend the people that are the drags, the the poor employees, the poorly performing employees.
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  Right.
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  And that affects morale and so many other things.
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  Right.
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  We had um we had a bill here.
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  It was called Buy American by Union.
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  So that sounds okay, right?
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  It's great.
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  All right, American.
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  By American, I'm all on board.
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  Go ahead.
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  And you must also be unioned.
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  And so if an American made it that's not in union, we can't buy that.
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  We shouldn't buy from him or her.
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  Correct.
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  I'm out.
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  Right.
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  I'm out.
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  But what did that give them?
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  I mean, yeah, well, no, it's a grant, it was a grant program.
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  And um, so it was okay to take our Pennsylvania money, and if somebody out in Nebraska wanted that grant fund, they could apply for it.
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  That was the other thing.
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  So we're funding another state.
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  Funding another state.
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  We're taking Pennsylvania money and preferring someone maybe from another and a manufacturer from another state or a service provider just because they're unionized versus maybe the Pennsylvania business down the street that's not unionized.
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  Correct.
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  And then giving them our tax dollars from the state of Pennsylvania to emphasize I do love people in Nebraska.
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  I am not anticipated.
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  Absolutely anyway.
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  This is no against people from Nebraska.
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  This was just chosen as a random state that um Tracy pulled out of her pocket there.
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  All right.
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  So you have any bias against Nebraska?
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  I don't, okay.
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  I don't.
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  I might have some other biases from other states.
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  But I do think my tax dollars thing in more local.
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  Can I just say I think Nebraska is the most Republican state in the country?
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  Is it?
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  I believe so.
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  I'll support them.
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  Okay.
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  Can they can they break their conservatism?
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  We'll pick another state next time.
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  But that was just an example.
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  So I think you had brought it up that it doesn't really matter that we're sitting in Pennsylvania, right?
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  This stuff is happening everywhere.
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  Yes.
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  Every state has it.
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  It's like they're systematically trying to shut down small business.
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  Hmm.
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  Well, I wonder.
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  You know, but this is also um this is you're saying you have these 13 democratic or democrat representatives on this committee, 11 of whom have never owned a business.
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  That's the same at the federal level.
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  You have, you know, these people that are making roles and laws and so forth that have never worked in the private sector and or um created jobs, made a payroll, and they're legislating to people that are doing that.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Correct.
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  And I'll give you another one that I think came across the country, right?
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  This bill to ensure rest periods.
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  Well, that sounds good.
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  Another one, right?
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  Doesn't it sound good?
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  But every five hours you get a 30-minute break.
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  All right.
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  Does that work for every industry?
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  Would you not?
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  No.
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  No, no.
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  It wouldn't work for maybe a truck driver.
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  It wouldn't work for uh bartender who was working a late shift.
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  Who now do you have to hire another bartender or somebody to stick around at two o'clock in the morning to cover a shift because he's got to take 30 minute break.
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  I mean, it's there's insanity.
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  And absolutely this has to happen.
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  Has this
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  Past or is it a point of discussion?
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  It's point of discussion.
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  Okay.
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  But these are the ideas that are coming forth that sometimes do make it into law, unfortunately.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, that's and that's why I think we're going to get to it.
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  That's why you need to be paying attention.
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  And that's why Tracy's doing this to bring this to the attention of small business owners who aren't themselves invested of the things that could affect them.
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  Right.
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  So it's great that we can do this for small business owners, and we can we have a membership and we can send them off.
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  Hey, this is what's going on.
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  But there is a responsibility for people.
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  I know business owners are busy, but it's time.
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  We're losing, we're losing steam.
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  We got we got it.
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  Pay attention to what's going on to save our country, save our businesses.
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  You know, and I think when you came in here before we went on the air in our studio here, you came in and said, you know, the excuse I'm too busy just can't be an excuse anymore.
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  Because it's infringing all of these things are infringing on your lives.
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  You know, God forbid there's another pandemic, which we keep saying we think is just that was just a test case, right, Stephanie.
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  Correct, because you saw the Marburg is killing people over in Africa right now, which is the sister of Ebola Kathy.
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  So no, I'm out.
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  So get ready, pull up your sleeve for your vaccine that you're so secure of.
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  Tracy, we're gonna take a moment to sidetrack here.
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  I was very outspoken and vocal against all the COVID mandates, but I've told the Stephanie if it's Ebola, I'm out because it scared me to death since 1997.
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  So I'm just gonna say if I have blood spurting out my eyes, you can't do that.
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  You're going to make this yes, you're gonna do anything to I'll do anything.
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  So I have I have that weakness, but okay, but go on.
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  So what other kinds of fun things are you seeing in these committees?
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  Um, these and labor and industry are the is the committee correct that is the business committee of all the different education and whatever.
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  That's the one that's supposed to be working with businesses.
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  Correct.
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  So um ask also your brother had said that it was probably his most maddening committee, right?
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  And I thought I thought other committees would be worse, but I guess I got the best, right?
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  Labor and industry.
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  So there's other things like um a paid family leave of 20 weeks, would uh pizza shop be able to handle that?
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  No, no, and that's mandatory.
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  You can't do that.
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  You cannot do that.
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  Is that for anything?
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  A paid family.
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  Well, you know, those all there's all those little um amendments that they make, like, oh well, yes, I mean, it could be for this or that, or your dog died, or your neighbor, or what you know.
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  Um currently it's not for that, but they start to add those amendments in.
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  Right.
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  Kind of like, you know, well, I'm not gonna get to the transgender stuff, but you know, we talked about that years ago.
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  That could be anything you want to be if you know, it's just that's this cascade that seems to happen.
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  You're not you're you are correct.
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  But the thing is it puts an unnecessary burden on small business, especially those.
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  You're trying to shut the businesses down.
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  Small businesses cannot operate or compete or compete like that.
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  They they can't, like it's just it's impossible.
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  Right.
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  If you have two or three employees and you have to one showing out right 20 weeks, what are you gonna do?
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  So my husband has 14.
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  He couldn't do something like this, but what he's decided to do is they take the fifth Friday off of every month, right?
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  A little a little mental health day for all the employees for all the employees.
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  There's different ways of going about each and you know, small business owners should make have to make those decisions for themselves, not some government employee that's never owned a business.
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  Right.
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  And well, I feel like if you've never owned a business, you probably shouldn't be making business decisions, to be honest with you.
• 13:55
  Well, I mean, it's if there's a lot you learn, you know, but that's the whole thing, everything we talk about in the show, and Tracy has a great point.
• 14:03
  Her husband did this as something as a reward to his employees.
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  Um, it probably is good for morale, they love that.
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  That and it's not every month because it's the fifth Friday, right?
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  So months that don't have a five fifth Friday, it doesn't apply to.
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  So he's not doing like giving a month a day off every month, but he announced this, and they probably responded really well.
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  They did.
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  Um, so again, giving the autonomy back to the business owner, not letting the government take it over.
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  And you know, the other part of this is there are jobs, so you know, you are free that if there is something, if say he didn't do that and another business did, you can leave business number one and go work at business number two because you want the fifth Friday off.
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  Right.
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  Correct.
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  Right, right.
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  Because we do need to be competitive, right?
• 14:49
  Yeah, and there are an awful lot of job openings.
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  As you were talking, I was thinking to myself, what if labor and industry came up with a bill that says you and you need to bonus every worker a certain amount of your profit?
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  I mean, when does it stop?
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  Right stop.
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  When does it stop?
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  And is that the more important thing that it's uh uh just the cascading or sliding slippery slope of one thing after another that becomes a more burdensome?
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  You think, oh, we're not gonna go there, and then we end up there.
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  Is that is that the bigger issue?
• 15:18
  Well, I guess you can have that argument about abortion.
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  Sorry.
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  Well, no, I bring that up, right?
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  No, oh well, six weeks is okay, now it's 24 a week, right?
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  And now they're pushing for a live birth.
• 15:28
  Yeah, yeah, or after.
• 15:30
  That's California.
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  People can't believe that, but it is in California.
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  So it's just you're right.
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  It's just one thing after another, after another, taking more and more rights away.
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  Boy, this is depressing.
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  Sorry, I'm kicking you off.
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  You're not welcome back.
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  Wow, I was having a great day up until this moment.
• 15:50
  Reunionized Tracy.
• 15:55
  Listen, there's some good stuff happening here in Pennsylvania.
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  How's that?
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  Okay, let's think about it.
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  You've been depressing, you know, we're in the holiday season and you're telling us all the stuff.
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  Like the holiday season.
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  Yes, go ahead, Tracy.
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  Try to do something good.
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  All right.
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  So in Pennsylvania, we have a split legislate legislator.
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  So we have a house that's um democratic, and the Senate doesn't saved us.
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  It does.
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  The Senate saves us all the time.
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  So it's really hard to get Pennsylvania if we didn't have the Senate as Republican, we are on the um track to California.
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  California or New York.
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  Yeah, okay, right?
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  Yes.
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  So um a Shapiro is just a liar.
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  It's hard.
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  Isn't it hard?
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  I can't let some every single social media post is is a lie.
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  For those who are not in Pennsylvania, Shapiro is our governor, want to be president of the like literally, I don't know that a truth comes out of his mouth.
• 16:51
  I mean, he just literally increased our taxes, what will have to be, you know, around $1,900 for the average family of four, but he's telling everyone you're getting a tax rebate, what of $200?
• 17:02
  Because that's gonna offset the $1,800 you just gave to every family of four.
• 17:08
  Before Stephanie went on her rant, I should probably say what happened.
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  Um, so I'm here for you.
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  Um, the Pennsylvania legislator with and the governor passed a budget that is basically six billion dollars more in expenses than projected revenue.
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  And if you divide that, we've had a show on that a couple weeks ago.
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  If you divide that out by the number of people who pay taxes in the state, it comes out to almost $2,000 a year more that will be required from said taxpayers.
• 17:41
  Yes, our governor is spinning it as we have helped you provide and providing you a rebate.
• 17:46
  I have no idea how that works, but there are people that believe that.
• 17:50
  Yes, a lot of people, unfortunately, because they don't pay attention to the people like Tracy or other people who are actually trying to listen and truth and sense into the whole thing.
• 18:02
  Right.
• 18:03
  Again, you guys are um, if you're not in Pennsylvania, the person that the group that made out the best in our budget, I think is public schools.
• 18:11
  Yes, because all through their money bailing systems, they're trying to um close and almost defund totally the cyber charter schools, the charter schools in general, which uh and they did they're doing a good job.
• 18:23
  Yes, yes.
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  Uh I and the parents are having such good results from those schools.
• 18:28
  I I just visited with a charter school, and we're getting off topic of business, but I think this does factor into business.
• 18:34
  Well, yeah, because you need people who are educated to work, and that's hard to find.
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  So there is a charter school in the city of Harrisburg, which is the capital city.
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  I visited just the other week.
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  440 students, um, I think up to sixth grade, they have 800 on the waiting list.
• 18:48
  In Philadelphia, there are thousands of kids on these waiting lists because the schools are failing and don't get and there again that goes to business, doesn't it, Tracy?
• 18:56
  Because if you don't have an educated product coming out that a business can employ and do the work, that's a big problem.
• 19:03
  Let's talk about liter literacy, right?
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  Yeah, one in three um cannot read, and I think it's third or fourth grade.
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  I had I had gone to a press conference with the Pennsylvania union resident for education.
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  This is the Pennsylvania State Education Association, yes, okay.
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  That's it.
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  Union, yep.
• 19:21
  Um and any question that he got, the answer was just give us more money, just give us more money and we can fix it.
• 19:31
  It'll be better if you just give us more money.
• 19:33
  They've been saying that though.
• 19:35
  Yes, yes.
• 19:36
  And then we the question was ask if test scores, can you improve test scores if we give you more money?
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  We don't know that we don't have the stats on that, but just give us more money.
• 19:49
  So you're right, you're right.
• 19:52
  And the test scores are being are are being re you know, things are being redone to make the test scores go off.
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  So basically we are getting dumber.
• 20:02
  Right.
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  But it doesn't mean they're proficient in any of the tasks.
• 20:06
  Correct.
• 20:06
  I mean, they can't or say you can't pass the okay.
• 20:09
  We were something positive and it turns out.
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  Okay, yes.
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  Don't have any time.
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  Okay, yeah.
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  All right.
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  So the other positive thing that we have going on is that uh we got out of the regional greenhouse gas initiative.
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  That's then can you explain what that is?
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  Because that's not doesn't apply to every state, right?
• 20:27
  New England states right now.
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  Okay.
• 20:29
  All right.
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  Um, so maybe not back, you know, if you're in Texas, but I call it the green news scam.
• 20:35
  That sounds about right.
• 20:36
  Yeah, good.
• 20:37
  Yeah, it's just basically taxing businesses um for your carbon.
• 20:42
  Whatever use you have, we're gonna tax you for it.
• 20:45
  So here in Pennsylvania, we just simply call it an energy tax.
• 20:49
  Well, that had been in the court systems since our past governor, Wolf.
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  Um, and so we were able to push that back a little bit.
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  And then finally, during this particular budget session, the Republicans finally won on that one, and we got rid of it.
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  At least for now.
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  Can I figure it out?
• 21:09
  The the green news scam.
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  This is a great example of this.
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  So I have a car I bought a couple years ago.
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  It's um a hybrid.
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  So I do plug it in every night, and I get like my first 15 miles or totally, you know.
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  So my guest mileage is 50, 60 miles to the gallon.
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  I like, I love the car.
• 21:27
  And um, I got my I get my annual car registration, and then I got this other paper.
• 21:33
  I thought they actually double billed me for my registration because it looked the same.
• 21:37
  You know what it was?
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  It was a $50 extra bill because I have a hybrid car, and basically I don't use enough gas.
• 21:47
  So if you have a hybrid car, you have a $50 surcharge on your car, and I had so many days to pay it after my registration.
• 21:55
  I almost couldn't believe it.
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  But it's not yes, yes.
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  So I am basically being quote.
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  Penalized for not using enough gas for using because you have gas.
• 22:05
  You're not spending the money in the gas taxes.
• 22:07
  Correct.
• 22:08
  So when they say to you, oh, this is going to help.
• 22:11
  It's B.
• 22:12
  Actually, I wrote on the memo, I paid the bill because I was afraid they call it.
• 22:14
  Why'd you pay the bill?
• 22:15
  I should reach out to a lawyer.
• 22:17
  But I wrote the memo.
• 22:18
  I wrote this is BS.
• 22:20
  I felt that helps.
• 22:21
  Oh, I do write to the tax collectors' thiefs.
• 22:23
  I call them thieves.
• 22:25
  Do you put that in your memo?
• 22:26
  It's in my memo.
• 22:27
  Okay.
• 22:28
  I have a funny feeling that we might know who that legislator was.
• 22:34
  Don't say it's her brother.
• 22:36
  No.
• 22:37
  Oh, okay.
• 22:37
  But no, it could be it could be somebody here in Cumberland County.
• 22:42
  Really?
• 22:42
  Uh-huh.
• 22:44
  So local person.
• 22:45
  Was it Greg Rothman?
• 22:46
  I knew it.
• 22:47
  But I'll double check.
• 22:49
  Okay.
• 22:49
  But I'm sorry if you're all over the country.
• 22:51
  This is we just went on a personal tangent.
• 22:54
  Yeah.
• 22:54
  Um, but isn't that see there again?
• 22:56
  That's how they manipulate this stuff.
• 22:58
  You know, like, hey, we're gonna save the environment.
• 23:01
  No, it's about getting more money for their coffers, and I'm not paying enough because I'm doing what they say they want me to do.
• 23:06
  I I did not buy this car because it was hybrid.
• 23:09
  We needed a car, it was a pre-owned, and it was just um, it's what we wanted.
• 23:12
  It just happened to be hybrid, but I like it.
• 23:15
  But um, it it's just a it's just a scam.
• 23:17
  They're gonna get you one way or another.
• 23:19
  Yeah.
• 23:20
  So all right, you want one last thing.
• 23:22
  All right, that's good.
• 23:24
  Yeah, I'm still I'm still seating over Rothman, but go ahead.
• 23:28
  Go ahead.
• 23:29
  And you're mad at me because I paid the $50.
• 23:32
  I am.
• 23:32
  I think you need a lawyer.
• 23:33
  You need to send them to Rothman's office.
• 23:35
  I thought it was it was somewhere in the uh like $250 a year.
• 23:38
  But so I thought it was more.
• 23:40
  Maybe you're getting a quarterly.
• 23:42
  I've got an installment plan.
• 23:44
  Right.
• 23:44
  So thanks, Tracy.
• 23:46
  So uh invited you on here.
• 23:48
  I don't know.
• 23:48
  Did you read also that they're gonna go after people for their um their past um easy pass?
• 23:56
  What like there's like 230 million dollars out there that people haven't paid their tolls.
• 24:01
  Well, put someone at the toll booth so they can pay.
• 24:04
  I don't have any thing.
• 24:05
  Yeah, that's right.
• 24:06
  Yeah, sorry.
• 24:07
  What's another good thing?
• 24:08
  Um, we have a corporate net income tax.
• 24:11
  Oh, wait, before we do that, we should probably go to break and let's go back to the corporate income tax.
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• 27:41
  Okay, so let's get into this this corporate income tax.
• 27:44
  I I don't even know if I want to know.
• 27:46
  Can I just say I said 200 shows it?
• 27:48
  It's 100-ish.
• 27:49
  It's so it's sorry about that, but go ahead.
• 27:52
  You can listen to 100-ish, but they they don't know.
• 27:54
  So go ahead.
• 27:55
  It's 111 capital.
• 27:57
  Okay, sorry.
• 27:58
  Corporate net income tax.
• 27:59
  Yes.
• 28:00
  All right.
• 28:00
  So we have one of the worst.
• 28:02
  Of course we don't know Pennsylvania.
• 28:04
  Pennsylvania.
• 28:05
  Um you'd got you got uh California out there.
• 28:08
  I think you've got any of the New England states are not doing great, but we had one of the worst.
• 28:13
  It is going down.
• 28:14
  So our governor, thankfully, wrote um signed off on that that it would go down.
• 28:20
  So by the year 2023, we're down to like 4.99.
• 28:26
  Which 2031.
• 28:29
  And um, that's a great thing to bring, you know, businesses in.
• 28:34
  What's the average corporate income tax in other states?
• 28:37
  I bet you'd say about five or six.
• 28:39
  Okay, so we're gonna be competitive now.
• 28:41
  Maybe right.
• 28:42
  Yeah, but that's important.
• 28:44
  As long as you pay your energy tax.
• 28:45
  Well, there's uh there's another thing is you gotta actually get a permit.
• 28:48
  So that's another thing that they're working on.
• 28:50
  Which I don't see as a I just don't understand what the deal is.
• 28:54
  Why can't we get this permitting thing down?
• 28:56
  What what permitting?
• 28:57
  Wait, what the the net corporate net income tax first?
• 29:00
  I mean, that that is important for each state because the states compete for to get these businesses to create jobs and then increase their economy.
• 29:09
  So if you're living in a state with a high corporate um income tax rate, that is deterrent to business coming into your state.
• 29:17
  That's why you see businesses going to like leaving us going to Texas because you know.
• 29:24
  Yes, and then the other state that everything goes to is um West Virginia, right?
• 29:29
  Because it's not a big deal for those companies.
• 29:32
  I mean, it can be a big deal, but it's not a big deal to pick up, close a factory in rural Pennsylvania and move it to rural Ohio.
• 29:39
  Correct.
• 29:39
  They'll still have people that you know are in need of work.
• 29:42
  Uh, and if they pay less, it so that's it's a competitive field, and you need a slate state legislature and governor who understands that.
• 29:51
  That's where it starts, right?
• 29:52
  Right.
• 29:52
  Okay.
• 29:53
  So that is good for competitiveness and for workers in in whatever state you're in.
• 29:58
  Yes.
• 29:58
  Okay.
• 29:59
  So now I interrupt.
• 30:00
  Interrupted.
• 30:00
  Go ahead.
• 30:00
  I'm sorry.
• 30:01
  So do you want to like talk about what you can do?
• 30:05
  Yeah.
• 30:06
  Yeah.
• 30:06
  Are we there yet?
• 30:07
  I mean, yeah, we can.
• 30:08
  I feel like yes, let's do it.
• 30:10
  We don't want to keep depressing you.
• 30:12
  I know, right?
• 30:12
  Like I'm I'm I'm on a downhill.
• 30:15
  So see, you've mentioned just to recap all of these different things.
• 30:18
  And there's a ton of other things, but these things that affect business from paid leave requirements.
• 30:24
  And your whole thing is a business owner should be deterred, should be um the one to make these decisions.
• 30:31
  You know, the as we talked about before the break, and then the taxing structure for the competitiveness to incentivize them to expand and produce and hire more people.
• 30:40
  Correct.
• 30:40
  So it's two things to give autonomy to the individual in the business.
• 30:44
  Capitalism, yes, capitalism is a good thing.
• 30:46
  New York City, you you once had it.
• 30:50
  But anyway, so yes, the tangent we shouldn't go down.
• 30:54
  I know that's I'm sure you will be going down that one day.
• 30:57
  You know, if I keep my blood pressure under control from thinking about it, yes.
• 31:01
  I mean, even equal pay, where you're they're telling you now you have to pay this person so much and this person so much, and and you have to be transparent so everybody knows in the corporation what everybody's making, right?
• 31:14
  Which is not good for morale, it's not, it's not.
• 31:17
  You know, I was on a panel one time with a local business newspaper this a few years ago, and they were about equal pay for women, which of course I I believe if you know women, man doesn't matter, and you should be compensated regardless based on your skill, gender, race, or whatever, right?
• 31:31
  No qualms there, but there's some of the people were going a little whack-a-dole with it.
• 31:35
  And I commented as a woman, I when my when we adopted our kids, I kind of backed away from my um professional of the corporate world um because I wanted to be a mother first.
• 31:48
  So I backed away, went part-time, did some other things.
• 31:51
  A lot of my friends did the same thing.
• 31:52
  You know, they just um made that decision for their families.
• 31:56
  When I chose to re-enter the workforce full-time, um, I should not be expect to come back in earning the same thing that my male counterpart who'd been there 10 years while I was out working part-time or whatever.
• 32:10
  That that shouldn't be my expectation.
• 32:12
  You know what I mean?
• 32:13
  And I think a lot of women, it's not so much the gender pay, it's that we make those choices, yeah.
• 32:18
  Um, for family concerns.
• 32:20
  Um, but that shouldn't be the business mandated to pay me the same as correct or even another woman who stayed there working full time for that.
• 32:26
  I think if we fix the divorce laws to where men had you people, people need to need responsibility for getting divorced.
• 32:34
  Like if you're cheating and you get divorced, like you it shouldn't be equal.
• 32:37
  Like North Carolina, you can sue the other person for interference.
• 32:42
  It should there should be something like that.
• 32:44
  And a lot of those issues fall to the woman, and a lot of those issues, yeah, falling.
• 32:50
  That's a good one.
• 32:51
  That's gonna be a that could be a different divorce law that could be fun.
• 32:55
  We're gonna have to get ourselves a lawyer to come on here.
• 32:57
  Yes, we do conservative lawyers, yes.
• 33:00
  So anyway, that's that's my tangent about that because I don't think it's just necessarily women are paid less.
• 33:05
  I think it's some of our personal choices, and and that I should be able to do that.
• 33:08
  So, but anyway, go ahead.
• 33:10
  What are we even talking about?
• 33:12
  Um, what you can do.
• 33:13
  Yeah, okay, yes, thank you.
• 33:15
  This has been a tangent, showing this Tracy's fault.
• 33:19
  We apologize.
• 33:21
  So here in Pennsylvania, unlike probably some other blue states, there is hope in trying to flip a few districts.
• 33:30
  If we flipped a few districts, we could we could change the house to Republican, and then we could start making some very good policy decisions on small business because right now we have a democratic governor, we have a house that is one vote Democrat, right?
• 33:50
  But they all vote together, they don't ever they never break.
• 33:55
  And then the Senate, the Senate is Republican.
• 33:58
  I wonder if they threaten them with their lives or something.
• 34:01
  It makes no sense.
• 34:03
  Money.
• 34:06
  People are definitely money for their districts or promises and things like that.
• 34:10
  Right.
• 34:11
  Okay, right.
• 34:12
  So even if you're in Texas, maybe you would want to flip a district in Dallas-ish area.
• 34:21
  That Jasmine, yeah.
• 34:22
  So how would you do that?
• 34:24
  Of course, I don't know if we do a great job of doing it.
• 34:27
  I mean, we have had some some things flip across the US, we've seen some shifts.
• 34:32
  But it's hard.
• 34:33
  It's hard.
• 34:34
  It is very hard.
• 34:35
  It's a lot of door knocking and getting to know your neighbors.
• 34:38
  Are you gonna flip with a Philly area?
• 34:40
  I don't know.
• 34:41
  I think if you get enough door knockers, you probably could.
• 34:43
  I think it's a matter of people look.
• 34:46
  I mean, Philly is known for standing at the polls and threatening people.
• 34:51
  Well, and we're saying Philadelphia, that's most metropolitan areas of the country, right?
• 34:56
  You know, are mostly democratic leaning, right?
• 35:00
  And um, and you know, they get what they elect.
• 35:03
  I mean, most of the cities have a lot of problems, high taxes, crime, um, poor education systems, and they keep the sadly they keep putting the same people back in.
• 35:14
  And they and they don't, it's to the point, I don't think they even know they're how oppressed they actually are in those cities.
• 35:21
  Well, if you look at the effect on business, look at what's happened um in New York City.
• 35:25
  We have this mayor um that's been elected, so that's an election.
• 35:30
  You're already hearing about people moving.
• 35:33
  Yes, you're hearing about businesses relocating, yes, and when businesses relocate, that in fact has already gone up.
• 35:39
  Well, you the day after the day after he got elected, the fire chief quit.
• 35:43
  Well, the fire chief quit, and I think some football person, I don't know, the jets, I don't know what that is.
• 35:49
  Yeah, but some football person, I think it's football, football person.
• 35:52
  Oh my gosh.
• 35:53
  Well, one of the okay, whatever it is, he got shot on the street.
• 35:58
  Oh, that's right.
• 35:59
  Yeah, and I've heard several stories, not just but he's I guess the famous one that got shot on the street, which and what is Trump saying, I'm not gonna help you, right?
• 36:06
  I'm not you've created this.
• 36:08
  You've created it, that's right.
• 36:09
  I'm not helping you, right?
• 36:11
  I was a football person, I'd be playing football elsewhere.
• 36:13
  Please don't say football person.
• 36:15
  It's a football player, NFL player for the Jets.
• 36:19
  Okay, whatever.
• 36:20
  But that it's a business issue, and then it becomes a quality of life issue and everything else, correct with these elections.
• 36:26
  So elections, what do we always say, have consequences?
• 36:28
  Yeah, they do.
• 36:29
  And that election started immediately.
• 36:32
  But as you said, Tracy, uh, you know, and it's this a federal government as well.
• 36:36
  Look how we have very slim margins for Republicans, house and Senate and so forth.
• 36:42
  So literally, you're saying slip flipping districts in our state.
• 36:45
  That's the same in the country.
• 36:47
  You know, a few seats can change everything.
• 36:51
  Correct, correct.
• 36:52
  We have about four or five districts here that you know, you're not gonna you're not gonna go after a district in deep blue Philadelphia or deep blue Austin, Texas.
• 37:03
  You're gonna go after some of those other ones that are just in the purplish area, and uh I would prefer if that was a committee person on our committee on labor and industry.
• 37:14
  I'd love to get rid of some of that and and let's start again.
• 37:17
  Maybe find people who have actually worked before as an entrepreneur or something.
• 37:23
  You know, that's my question.
• 37:24
  Do you know?
• 37:25
  Maybe you don't know or don't know, Tracy.
• 37:27
  How do they determine who goes on these committees?
• 37:30
  Like when you come into this house or Senate in a state or in the federal government, how do they determine, like, oh, you're a good fit for labor and industry?
• 37:38
  You know, um, you'll have to ask your brother on that, how he got asked, but I'm assuming they're just looking.
• 37:44
  For instance, I know that representative Zimmerman out in Lancaster County, which is the Amish country country here.
• 37:50
  Um, he's familiar and worked on a farm, right?
• 37:54
  So he's on and it's from an agricultural area, right?
• 37:57
  That makes sense.
• 37:58
  It does make sense.
• 37:59
  That makes sense.
• 37:59
  I just don't think they have enough Dems that have businesses too.
• 38:04
  That's probably true, yeah.
• 38:05
  So I wonder how it happens across the country.
• 38:09
  Like in every state, how is it working in every state?
• 38:11
  That might be a good question to ask.
• 38:13
  Yeah, yeah.
• 38:13
  So we need to be paying attention to these elections.
• 38:16
  What else can we do?
• 38:18
  All right, and educate.
• 38:20
  You need to educate your neighbors because they probably don't really know what's going on.
• 38:25
  They really don't.
• 38:26
  Most people like you have conversations, they have no idea what's actually all they have are headlines or um those TikTok reels, which half of them are fake.
• 38:36
  Half of them are just attention-seeking people who want to make themselves seem important.
• 38:40
  And hopefully, if you do talk to your neighbor, um, or a friend, they won't uh vote a another way that you've told them because they just think, oh well, they just looked better.
• 38:53
  I got a little bit of that this past election.
• 38:55
  You're kidding.
• 38:56
  Uh-huh.
• 38:56
  Uh-huh.
• 38:57
  Even though you ask who no.
• 39:00
  I mean, no, it wasn't anybody now, but um when you you worked the polls and were doing that.
• 39:04
  Yeah.
• 39:05
  Which legislator actually looks better because that's confusing to uh people don't know.
• 39:09
  It was uh board, it was school board stuff.
• 39:11
  Oh, oh, interesting.
• 39:12
  We're okay.
• 39:13
  So it's like high school.
• 39:14
  I was just on a it's high school where you're choosing the most popular, yes, okay.
• 39:19
  I got you.
• 39:19
  I was just on a call and they were saying in northern counties of Philadelphia, that um this particular person who was working the poll said they were people coming up and going, I can't do Trump.
• 39:34
  I can't do I can't, I can't do Trump anymore.
• 39:36
  And there's Republicans.
• 39:39
  And then the guy goes, We're not voting for Trump.
• 39:42
  Right, right.
• 39:44
  You're voting for me for the school board, and this is why.
• 39:47
  Yeah, that's why they think some of what happened here in Pennsylvania went the opposite way.
• 39:53
  And I don't know why they can't do Trump, although they did say between day the last seven.
• 40:00
  To 10 days of the election here, um people were starting to believe it was Trump's fault for the government shutdown.
• 40:08
  We were good up until about a week or so before that.
• 40:11
  But they were disregarded there again, not having the proper information.
• 40:15
  Right.
• 40:15
  That thing frankly, I enjoyed the break from the chemtrails and stuff.
• 40:19
  It was nice having the government shut down.
• 40:20
  And I would like to go back to the govern government being shut down.
• 40:24
  But they ignored the fact that they voted down, they refused to vote 14 different times.
• 40:29
  Schumer Senate.
• 40:30
  You know, and some of the things were actually things they approved in the spring.
• 40:34
  Correct.
• 40:34
  So, but there again, logic is right out the window.
• 40:38
  Yeah, you know, so it's Trump's fault.
• 40:40
  Is it illegal to drug these people and then walk them into the polling and then say they need they asked for help and fill in their circles with them?
• 40:46
  I'm just asking for a friend.
• 40:48
  For a friend for a friend.
• 40:50
  I feel that the um paper ballot situation when you hear some of that stuff of how those ballots show up that that's yes being done in other ways.
• 40:58
  I don't know again across the country, but I'm sure that this was happening to a degree someplace else.
• 41:05
  But here in our county, we actually had Republicans, leaders in our county uh pushing for Democratic.
• 41:13
  Oh, so you're from Cumberland.
• 41:15
  Yes.
• 41:16
  I we are all no I'm New York, yeah.
• 41:19
  Thank goodness.
• 41:20
  We actually have people who your county is the best.
• 41:23
  I oh the best.
• 41:25
  I and these are things, these are a couple counties in central Pennsylvania, but this is happening all over the country.
• 41:30
  All over the country.
• 41:31
  That's right.
• 41:31
  So you need to know.
• 41:33
  I mean, honestly, you need to know what your GOP is doing because what Cumberland GOP is doing is not dissimilar to all over the place.
• 41:43
  The other problem is, and this is in Pennsylvania, it's not every state, but certain local races you can cross-file.
• 41:49
  So in the primary, you can file as a Republican and Democrat, and you can then you're on the general election ballot, and people don't really know, which and there it goes.
• 41:59
  It goes back to what you said, Tracy, you need to be informed.
• 42:03
  So people just see, oh, it's a Republican or a Democrat, I'm gonna vote for him, and they may be voting for someone so liberal.
• 42:09
  We've had that here in central Pennsylvania, right?
• 42:11
  Who was on as a Republican, but they're so liberal that that person, if they knew what they stood for, that voter, they never would have voted for him, but they were not informed.
• 42:19
  So many years ago, um, somebody finally said to me, your vote counts in heaven.
• 42:26
  So you have to be responsible for who you vote for and what you're doing.
• 42:31
  Well, then I don't know that I'll be able to vote again.
• 42:34
  Oh, that just ruined me, Tracy.
• 42:36
  There's but if you're voting for these horrid policies, that there's judgment on that.
• 42:44
  Right, and not knowing there's judgment.
• 42:46
  Sorry, I brought I brought I brought Jesus in.
• 42:49
  You were just bringing every controversial topic into one.
• 42:52
  But that that's how I feel as well.
• 42:54
  There are some things I don't know that they're moral or immoral, like a 20-week leave or something.
• 43:01
  You know, that's not you know, that's something that's not infringes on a freedom of a small business cap.
• 43:06
  I I agree.
• 43:07
  But then there are other things I think that are moral and of a spiritual plane that um I just don't know how some people call themselves a Republican a Christian can vote for certain things, like abortion uh up well, abortion to me anyway.
• 43:22
  My children are adoption adopted, so I'm very much pro-life.
• 43:26
  I'm putting up life, but if you can say yes, abortion up to, you know, and including birth.
• 43:31
  I don't even know how I just don't even know how you can be a decent person, much less uh a believer.
• 43:40
  They don't know.
• 43:41
  So that school board person that you you're voting for wants to build a health care facility alongside the school, the high school.
• 43:50
  Well, what is that health health care for?
• 43:53
  Is it for they're just gonna just do dentist checks?
• 43:58
  I mean, like, what are they?
• 43:59
  So now you're it could, you know, the parental rights now are gonna be out the door if you have a health care facility, right?
• 44:06
  Again, see, am I bringing something else more confident?
• 44:09
  Yeah, we've actually had this conversation on the show numerous times, numerous times, and it's a serious problem because literally the government is taking over all of your parental rights unless you stop this, right?
• 44:21
  And the let me restate the function of the school is for reading, writing, and arithmetic.
• 44:27
  Correct academics because they failed even at those.
• 44:31
  Yes, you don't want them to be involved anywhere else.
• 44:33
  We're not into such a good job of that.
• 44:35
  We're gonna be responsible for their health care and mental health, correct?
• 44:38
  And that's concerning.
• 44:40
  So you need to know, and there again, go back to what you said, Tracy.
• 44:44
  You need to know about these candidates, whether it's for your local legislator.
• 44:48
  You started with you know, flipping um uh the balance of power, but also even these school board members and so forth.
• 44:55
  And I know that this might be a little sore spot for you, Kathy, but uh, um, even being a committee person, go that local into your neighborhood.
• 45:07
  Um, we have a Democratic committee woman in our neighborhood, and she's awesome.
• 45:14
  She knows every Democrat.
• 45:17
  I think neighbors just want to be part of her group.
• 45:20
  Um, because she's out there, she's out there, they have signs in their front yards, they have two-hour shifts on election day outside and inside.
• 45:31
  The um the person inside is just highlighting the per people that are coming in.
• 45:37
  So, what happens at 6 p.m.
• 45:40
  She starts calling, and about 7:30, because I work at the 7:30 shift.
• 45:44
  There, there's a Democrat, there's a Democrat because she's calling at home and they're running in and voting.
• 45:51
  So, how are you gonna do you got to do something?
• 45:54
  Apparently, I need to my game as a committee person.
• 45:56
  Oh, do I I got I took notes that day?
• 45:58
  I was like, this is awesome.
• 46:00
  Well, I think it's you know I think we need to steal her notepad, but continue, Pathy.
• 46:04
  Well, I think uh the effort is an issue.
• 46:07
  The other thing in our most recent elections, Republicans and this goes didn't come out to vote.
• 46:11
  I think in large part, yes, right.
• 46:13
  I think we got lazy.
• 46:14
  Uh Trump's in office again, local elections affect you more than the president of the United States.
• 46:20
  And those judge elections are your biggest ones because they are determining what your legislators are legal or not legal, what's happening within the business community, what's considered a tax or not considered a tax.
• 46:31
  I mean, they the this is where these things go to see if it's legal for them to give us new laws and new taxes and new everything whenever someone comes up and says, wait a second, this doesn't seem right.
• 46:43
  Right.
• 46:44
  You know, so we've lost our gun rights in some ways, is because we didn't have the right judges in place.
• 46:49
  Right, right, right.
• 46:50
  New York City.
• 46:51
  So you need to know, you need to know.
• 46:53
  Yeah, we're talking to get active.
• 46:55
  So you need to know, number one, and two, find a way to be involved.
• 46:59
  Correct.
• 46:59
  Yeah, put other things.
• 47:00
  Can you do, Tracy?
• 47:02
  All right.
• 47:02
  So um, I think you should subscribe subscribe to a newsletter, a political newsletter that you can find out what's going on in your state.
• 47:14
  So if you're here in Pennsylvania, I get city and state, or it's politics PA or uh, it's all go across the board.
• 47:23
  Then again, you're gonna say as a business owner, I don't have time, I don't have time.
• 47:26
  You have to have time.
• 47:28
  I would in particular city and state at the very bottom of the page, it'll tell you what hearings are going on, and then you can literally just click.
• 47:38
  It says watch here, and you click it.
• 47:42
  So if you're sitting at your office and you're, you know, you can you have time, watch a labor in industry.
• 47:49
  Um, check out what's going on, what is being said.
• 47:53
  You do you have to do that every time?
• 47:54
  No.
• 47:55
  I'm saying do a couple of them and find out what's going on in your region.
• 48:00
  And does every state have something like that?
• 48:03
  They'll have something.
• 48:04
  I I will say, and my brother um is a first-term representative, and he is on labor and industry.
• 48:11
  Even he, he was a teacher.
• 48:12
  I mean, I will say before he even ran for um when he was running for office, he very uh intentionally went out and found local business people, had breakfast with them to be educated about what are things I don't know.
• 48:25
  Yeah, and some people took him under the wing to talk to him about things.
• 48:28
  So he did that, but he's gonna say he never invited me to breakfast and I'm now offended.
• 48:34
  There, I well, some of them actually help ask him.
• 48:36
  I'm bringing the side who met him like 6 a.m.
• 48:39
  for breakfast.
• 48:40
  I'm available at 6 a.m.
• 48:41
  Anywho.
• 48:42
  Where is breakfast?
• 48:43
  They went to a dinosaur.
• 48:45
  Oh, okay.
• 48:45
  Yeah, I'm gonna go.
• 48:46
  No, he wasn't at his like I'll let him buy me coffee and then I'll tell him everything I know.
• 48:50
  Oh my gosh, what is up with her today?
• 48:53
  Anyhow, um he I never had looked at any of those labor and industry hearings until he was involved and shared and shares it because it's it is so dumb.
• 49:06
  Some of the things they say.
• 49:08
  I mean, I'm a business major, I now own a business, and I can't believe so, and he's like, you can't believe what they say.
• 49:16
  Now you sit there, and I listen to some of it, and I'm like, I've never heard my as my grandmother would have said such dumbness of my life.
• 49:22
  It doesn't so I did.
• 49:23
  I emailed him, I've emailed him a couple of times saying, What is going on?
• 49:28
  I think what first of all, the the legislator, the rep doesn't even know the own his own bill.
• 49:35
  Yeah, and we did ask one day we got so upset.
• 49:39
  Um, my husband ran up and said, What in the heck is going on?
• 49:44
  And that minority chair of labor and industry at the time said, unions unions are writing the bill, so the rep doesn't even have responsibility to even know what's in the bill.
• 49:58
  He just says, Oh, tack my
• 50:00
  name on actually a really good question in this because you know one of the things I've noticed following medical freedom legislation is that the same legislation will be introduced in multiple states at the same time.
• 50:11
  Where do these bills come from?
• 50:12
  Because clearly in many cases the legislators are not writing them themselves just as you said.
• 50:18
  So where are they coming from?
• 50:19
  Um I don't know the specific name of it, although we do have a local representative who said that one of her bills was put in this I kind of just call it a clearinghouse of bills that are from every state that now your reps can grab a hold of and pull into their state.
• 50:36
  That's why you see the same stuff going over and over the same I'm on the board of a financial institution and they will talk frequently about a lot of these bills come from California because they will talk about watching things in California simply I mean this is a a business you know that not political at all but meaning this just happened so they're looking at how might that happen to us in Pennsylvania as it comes across the country.
• 51:02
  So you know that it is not it is a very real thing being on a corporate board that they pay attention to legislation in California because hey this might be what we're dealing with in a year.
• 51:13
  Right.
• 51:14
  Or because we have a stupid governor because it's just well it's anywhere so it's I did not mean that he is not stupid he is immoral and corrupt he's conniving he's yes he's smart because he knows what he's doing he's I did need to change my wording there.
• 51:31
  Listen if you're in California I I get it here in Pennsylvania there is a newspaper it's called California Globe.
• 51:38
  It's conservative very hard to find something like that in California but um you can learn there bills health they they cover everything so if you're in California go grab one of those and and look that up and look up some of the authors as well other things um we're running out of time but any final kind of thoughts on things to do that you can or can be doing because I will say we talk about active active activity levels different people do different things but what can all anybody do if you're like I can't do that I can't go to the poll I don't want to be a committee person.
• 52:14
  What else can you do you can show up and vote?
• 52:16
  Show up and vote and you can also support them financially and I thought this was an interesting as we go I'm talking about New York again um Dami I thought what would I have done well I probably would have um held my nose went up to the voting booth and voted for Cuomo because I was certainly not going to vote for Mondami.
• 52:40
  Right.
• 52:40
  So in some of these cases you may have to vote for somebody you might not really like but your other choice is extremist right and evil yes so hold your nose and do it.
• 52:54
  Right and I there again if you want to be active before the nose holding you know you've got to be proactive policy exactly you've got to be all the things you talked about before that this is kind of the last you're not you know the end of the battle what are you going to do and um you have to do what you have to do.
• 53:13
  But if you're not even going to show up and vote and you and you mentioned something we used to talk about this all the time if you're not going to show up and vote that's I I don't know what to tell you.
• 53:22
  But also you deserve what you get but um the other thing you mentioned supporting them financially we say this all the time Stephanie support the candidates directly believe in directly don't send it to the party yes never send it to the party or these other groups it needs to be directly to the candidate that you like because otherwise funds get diverted in places you don't want them to go Republican party might not be supporting the person that you want to support correct and they do that quite a bit.
• 53:51
  Yes.
• 53:51
  I didn't even think about that because I think I always support the person.
• 53:56
  Yeah you need to but I guess I never thought about supporting the the GOP necessarily here we say that all the time because we hear I like it I like the GOP not supporting conservative candidates especially that we like right hold support or support they tend to moderately send to support the what I call Democrats in hiding they they're Republican by name but truly they're Democrats.
• 54:18
  It's like we have one within Cumberland County who just you know is going alongsome with this gun stuff you know right and she's pro-abortion uh is she really conservative at all?
• 54:28
  I don't know I can't find a place where she is so and and that's there's not just one there's a lot of them and we see that across the country.
• 54:36
  And there again that goes back to what you said in the very very beginning Tracy you need to know what's going on please.
• 54:42
  And federally as well because at the federal level they are trying to get rid of the conservative candidates they're putting the money into the races that are going after the truly conservative candidates right like here locally again yes our uh Brisbane like with Congressman Scott Perry is a really good example.
• 55:03
  They're going to be going after Thomas Massey they're going to be going after Marjorie Taylor Green and you know and I know that Trump right now doesn't like him but he'll like him tomorrow.
• 55:10
  He'll be okay.
• 55:11
  Yeah he'll get through it.
• 55:12
  You know Tracy can you say what your organization we have only a couple seconds here but what is your organization?
• 55:18
  Sure um it's go big small biz and you can go to our website go big smallbiz.com to support us um and you can just email me as well if you'd like just to talk about anything apparently we talk about anything um at tracy at go big smallbiz.com and that's with an ey and tracy and go big uh small biz are doing this in Pennsylvania if you hear this and say wow I could do that my state you can do it too wherever you are yeah so um and we need these or we need people in every state doing this yes and you did this because of what happened to you I mean so many stories we hear that this happened to us I don't want it to happen again and that's what propelled you to COVID brought out some lions we have some great grassroots groups here yes so thank you so much for what you're doing so much it is absolutely amazing what you're what you have done and just you you know you you took lemons you made lemonade and not only did you do that you're sharing it with the entire state and I just can only hope that other organizations pop up that are similar that can do the same thing so that everyone has the same benefits that the small businesses of Pennsylvania do.
• 56:35
  And so with that can you you know stand up speak out step forward wherever you are