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Weekend Recap including NBA/NHL Finals, bad umps & yelling at Mike in Waterloo, Scott Dochterman talks about the NCAA House settlement · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All righty, good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon on
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a Monday. The Iowa Sports Radio Network,
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wherever you're listening in the state of Iowa.
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Grateful that you are as we are back to Iowa based programming
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now for the next block of well, six hours.
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Here's what's coming up with Trent and I at the bottom of the
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hour, Scott, Dr. man from the athletic perfect guest to help
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us out with the house settlement is the 2 knuckleheads you're
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about to listen to. Kind of clueless when it comes
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to these things. We like X's and O's.
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We like to speculate and react to what what we saw, not when it
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gets into the logistics and legalities and blah, blah, blah.
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Anyway, Scott Dockerman will be good at that and he'll join us
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at the bottom of the hour. Hopefully he'll dumb it down for
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the two dummies that you're listening to as we talked.
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Really sell it as well here on a Monday.
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Well. It's just you know what?
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But it's a reality. It is it is in a lot of ways
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right Then our number 2 Matt Snyder CBSSports.com.
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He covers Major League Baseball, he writes about Major League
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Baseball. Lot of ground to cover with Matt
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Snyder. Umpires continue to be an an
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issue, although it sounds like robo arms may be here as soon as
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next year while behind the home plate anyways, so we'll talk to
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Matt Snyder about that and other things.
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Have you seen the baseball viewing numbers?
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They're off the charts in a positive way.
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I saw that they, I saw a figure last week that they were up
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pretty significantly, double figures in a lot of ways.
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Yes, absolutely. So here what Here's what they
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are National T VS up 22%, led by ESPN.
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Who's giving up baseball, TBS and Fox up 16 and 10 game
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attendance is at A7 year high and that high was reached.
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It was broken last year. So it continues to to grow.
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So baseball it's it's doing very well.
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But we will other than buying a plate.
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So we'll talk to Matt Snyder, kick off hour number two and
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then our friend Alec Bussey who did the morning show with
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Heather this morning. He'll be on talk about the
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recruiting weekend. Any news on Jet Tamala as he
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goes back and forth, I guess. And he's, I mean, I get it to a
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young man, he's got an opportunity.
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Yes, it seems like I don't, I don't want to say Iowa State's a
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fall back plan, but it kind of feels like that in some ways.
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But if you've got Alabama that's courting you, tough to turn that
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down. We'll get the latest on Tamala
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and other Cyclone related topics.
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How will they handle the house settlement, etcetera.
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When Bussey joins us, Trent, we'll make some picks and try to
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stack another winning week together on top of last weeks.
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He'll do that. Circus Sports sponsor about 1:50
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here today, so let's react to the weekend.
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OK, there's a lot. There really isn't.
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And we'll get to the baseball. I want to talk about the the the
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basketball for for at least to start the show.
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And it's not like I don't think this floored you that OKC won
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last night and in the fashion that they did.
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They needed to get the split after losing homecourt when they
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fell down 1. Nothing in in game number one.
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That wasn't going to be the case last night, but it was just so
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many dudes, right, that were just, I mean, Wiggins, where did
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that come from? Right.
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Where did him in particular? I think that was maybe the
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biggest surprise of anybody. We talked about Caruso.
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Caruso another one. And we've talked about him
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defensively because he is a Unicorn defensively.
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But not making threes. Yes, what?
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What he can do guarding every position, you know, people, Oh
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yeah, he can guard one through 5.
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They can't. It's usually a lie.
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This is the one time it's certainly at the NBA level that
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it's actually truthful that a guy can do it and oh by the way,
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in an NBA Finals game, a must win for your team.
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He drops in 20 on top of. It yeah, it was unbelievable.
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What were the they were nine for 16, Wiggins and Caruso from
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three. Now, if you're if you're a Pacer
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fan, you got to think just, well, they're not going to do
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that again. And I put find it hard to
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believe that they would. But this was just they needed
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this game last night and they got the game last night.
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It really wasn't not a lot of drama in it.
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I didn't think watching the entire game, you never felt
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like, Oh my God, they're going to blow this one again.
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We know the propensity for this Indiana squad to, you know, with
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their with the comebacks that they've had time after time
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after time. Does Halliburton need to get
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going earlier? He does.
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I think he just has to be more selfish, more aggressive.
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It's not part of his basketball DNA.
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Yeah, when he's cooking, he'll do that.
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He'll take some heat checks, But in general, that's not the kind
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of basketball player that he is. But in order for them to win
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this series, he has to be selfish.
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And I, I just don't think as a basketball player he really has
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that image to do that for the next 5 games right, That he has
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to do that at least three of them in order for them to win.
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I. Do they need to win both of
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these next two? Well, they have to win game
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three. This, this is the embodiment of
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a must win. To me, that's not a must win
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that you're on the brink of elimination.
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Right. Because you're not beating this
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Thunder team three out of five. I don't.
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Think you are Trent. I totally agree with you.
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I think they might have to win them both personally.
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And I'm kind of with you there, but start with the first one
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Wednesday. That is must win the way OKC
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defends unless there's an injury or something, you're even with
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their death. I don't know if that would
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matter unless it be the SGA. They're so good on that end of
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the floor that I can't see a way that Indiana wins three out of
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four. So yes, but must win there.
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And I think I'm kind of with you too.
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I think you have you got to get both of them.
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Got to get both of them. We'll see.
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I mean, you can only get one at a time, so you get to get the
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first one, which is Wednesday night.
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Wednesday. Friday.
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Wednesday Friday in NHL is tonight and Thursday night. 2
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pretty big games there, obviously, as the scene shifts
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black to back to Florida, tied up at 1 apiece.
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All right, for this is a rarity I really want to talk about.
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I can. I was so entertained and I was
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going to text you and then it's like, well, is he sleeping?
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And I don't want to ruin anything for you.
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For the double overtime game. I just sat there again as we
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talk about often during the spring time, I don't know the
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sport. I don't know it well.
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I can't break things down. It's just enjoyment and that's
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why I loved what we saw at the French Open.
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I don't know much. Of you know what I missed an
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event didn't. I you did and this happens once
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every couple of years with tennis and you just and I'm
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always surprised by you. I saw the I saw Twitter going
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crazy. I'm watching the Cubs.
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I'm watching my Blue Jays and Twins.
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I'm not into tennis, I've never heard of these guys, but by all
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accounts this was special. And and that's what because you
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love sport, you know what, it's two guys.
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It's motto. Vivan, you love that part.
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Those are things that you absolutely enjoy.
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But back to Friday and just the sheer enjoyment of watching and
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the speed of the game. Did you see Mcdavid's assist?
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Oh yeah, absolutely incredible. And knowing the only way I
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believe that Florida could win this, they had to get the
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overtime. They had to get the split there
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down to nothing against that squad.
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I just couldn't do it. And then as I was going through
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and between overtime one and two, I was reading there was
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something that popped up on on my Twitter feed about why
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Edmonton needs to win now because next year is going to be
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salary cap issues for them. Yes, they'll still have McDavid
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and Dry. Salt but.
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But that's another thing he has a sock hockey novice don't
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really know is yes, you need a little bit more depth to just
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two tremendous players and the likelihood to them having that
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kind of depth and that they're going to be able to do what
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they're doing this year is going to be incredibly different.
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It's threading the needle right for them next year.
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And then that kind of added another layer to it.
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Well, boy, if they lose this one, then the pressure comes
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right back to Edmonton because the time is now you have a all
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timer. So people consider the best
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hockey player ever to never win a Stanley Cup.
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That's true and he's there. It just I think it that even
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added another layer of enjoyment.
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So did you stay up for it? No, I'm glad I didn't text you.
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Well, you could have texted me. I wouldn't answer.
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Yeah. Because you you when you wake up
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in the morning though. First thing I do, I don't.
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I start the coffee, don't go on my Twitter machine.
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I don't go on the phone. I don't know how you do.
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Everything's still turned off. I turn on the TV and I'm
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watching it like I, you know, just took Jet out to pee or.
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Something I, I don't know how you do that part of it, that for
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me to not look at my phone first thing in the morning.
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You don't use an alarm though either, right?
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No. And never.
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Never. I've never used an alarm in my
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life that I can recall. And maybe that's the part
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because I have the alarm going off and then boom, you'd go that
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way. But I I'm just always baffled
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that yeah, you can text. When I used to have to drive and
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I know everybody's got these stories.
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Yeah, when when I did mornings on the jock and we went on the
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air at six and I lived in Ankeny, I would be up at 3:30
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and I would leave at 4:45 for Indianola every day.
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And I never once got up by an alarm.
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And Saturday and Sundays and people are that were, you know,
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up early every day at least. I find it a rarity that you come
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across somebody that, you know, I call sleep in on Saturday and
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Sunday. You don't do that.
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Yeah. Your.
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Body clock gets, yeah, but no one never did.
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But it was a phenomenal game. It truly was.
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Brad Marchant with the overtime winner.
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What an acquisition at the trade deadline.
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This was the captain of the Boston Bruins and they weren't
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going to I guess pay him What what he just fit in perfectly
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and he scored the same goal twice.
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He scored a short handed goal in a similar fashion.
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You know, don't let him get behind you.
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That would be my recommendation today for the Oilers.
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But that play by McDavid to dry sidle.
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He he he walks around Sasha barkov #2 overall pick in his
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draft year. He completely fakes out Aranek
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by the number one overall pick in his draft, makes them both
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look silly and then feeds the puck over top of, you know, I'm
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not sure what defender it was. Stick perfectly on to the stick
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of Lee and Leon Dry Seidel, who's a top ten player in the
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league in his own right and boom, you know what's going to
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happen back in the net. Just a phenomenal play,
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phenomenal play. I'm watching it again.
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I, I just, I mean, I just, I have to watch it again and it's,
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it's that good, you know, it's just that good.
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Yet we get one, one. I know casual fans that need big
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need big teams are not going to be involved in this, right.
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But after what we got a year ago and the memories that you've had
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to help trigger 3O3 straight a Game 7, the names, the teams,
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the way that they've been built, I think the casual just sport
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fan, as we talked about with the French hope this is going to be
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something if this if we get to a game six, Game 7, and I think we
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will. I hope you're right.
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This is going to be. It's not going to set records
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for television. No, it's not because it's
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getting killed. I'm sure.
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You know what? What was it going up against
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Texas? Texas Tech on on Friday night?
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I bet that beat hockey. Yeah.
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And if that thing would have been a three, two Game 2, was it
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a blowout? It was 10 four, yeah.
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So maybe that helped out the hockey.
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It was close when? I saw it was maybe that helped
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out the hockey a little bit. But overall I think we're going
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to get that. I think that that casual fans
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going to start because remember last year Game 7 beginning
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didn't rate very well. By the time game seven, it grew,
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it did, and it got some good numbers, better than I think
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they anticipated for that. And I think what we saw last
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year and now this year we can get to that level.
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Well, I think Edmonton better win tonight we'll see if they're
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able to do so, but they're just too evenly in the game.
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One went to overtime, right single overtime, Game 2 double
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overtime. So these two teams not a lot
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between them. We'll see where it goes tonight.
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All right. The baseball story from over the
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weekend, to me, it was great baseball in a lot of respects,
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but it's just that, just this one overriding issue and it's
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these umpires are worse than they've ever been.
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So are we talking Derek Thomas? Is that where we're going first?
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The home plate umpire from yesterday.
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In in Detroit. Against Nico Horner.
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Yeah, you're having a bad day. And that's how he said it.
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Well, you've heard the audio. Oh, absolutely.
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And I really enjoy that component that is.
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I'm shocked that they had it. Well, we've seen a lot ton of it
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this year and a little bit last year it started to sprinkle it
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and it felt like maybe every couple weeks we'd get something
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like that. Well, what was actually said?
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And you get that on field audio and on top of it, then we get
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the networks. Yeah, we're gonna play this.
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Yeah. I don't know if it was a
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relenting of Major League Baseball, somebody just asking
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the question. That's a good point.
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You know, who can we actually play this audio?
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Yeah, sure, whatever it is. But thank goodness for it
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because this is new. Yes, as we're getting it,
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though, I love it. And to hear, because how many
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post games have we heard the player side of it and like, come
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on, that's not. That you have to say the magic.
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Word yes, that's not the way the conversation.
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What how many times have you and I said that to each other?
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Well, they must have said that. Well here if we didn't have this
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on field audio, we would be having that.
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We heard Nico's version right, Right.
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Yeah, that's what you said. Sure.
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That's all you said to the home plate umpire got wrong in three
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seconds. There's no way now we know.
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Yeah, and council came up and backed up his players.
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He knew that he would. And he got run too.
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So that was bad. That was bad.
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And you know what else was bad in that game?
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And I and I'm sick of this Kyle Turner, Tucker, love, I really
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am. This guy, Trent, I, I don't want
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to say he's, he's not overrated, but he's not worth the money
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they're going to pay him. In my opinion.
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He's not a right fielder. Both.
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Those things can be right. Yeah, both those things can be
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right. He's got a good stick but his
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ice cold right now, but he misplays more balls or takes the
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wrong room and he did again yesterday.
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Those first two runs on the board yesterday were completely
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on him as he misplayed a ball that went over his head to
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nothing and Kate Horton and the Cubs could never recover.
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It was only a couple of weeks ago that he did it when they
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were in. Were they in Miami?
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I think they were in Miami. I have no idea how he gets a
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Gold Glove. Kathy loves him out there.
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Kathy's wrong. But anyways, to the umpiring
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story. Doug Eddings, his ball and
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strikes were just atrocious over the this.
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It's just it's a problem and I'm I don't want, I want an umpire
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behind the plate. I don't want technology to
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totally take over the game, right.
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But at the same time, if you can't get it right and you have
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the ability to get it right, it's like it's like replay in
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the NFL or replay in college basketball.
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I'm all for it as long as it does linger, but.
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You're ready for it, time. You've been ready for it for a
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long time, longer than I have. So I want to take you back to a
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week ago Friday. Told you I went to the icubs
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game, right? Jack and I went out there and
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for the first time I saw the throughout the course of the
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game, because we were there the whole time.
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I saw the replay system with balls and stripes.
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And how long did it take? A step of a finger it.
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Taps his helmet. The batter taps his helmet.
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Yes. And by the way, a Major League
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player got tossed out for that this week.
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Did you see that? Did they?
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Yes, because he tapped his helmet.
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Because that's been happening more and more.
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And he up, threw him out, tossed him.
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Ridiculous, ridiculous. That aside, the system isn't
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perfect. Who knows?
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Like there's going to be, as I've always been concerned and
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warned about that slider that's unhittable.
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Let's slap it off the bit. Yes, it caught a it nipped the
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bottom corner of the zone as it ended up 3 feet in the other
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batter box. That's not a straight.
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But that aside, watching the way in action, how quick it is, the
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umpire behind home plate, they're challenging, goes up on
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the screen, change the call, boom.
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I mean, it's so quick. You maintain your challenge, it
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goes fast. It was, and we're two months
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into the season. I was surprised just how easy it
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was for that to happen, to watch it, watch it in action.
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It didn't change the game. It didn't change my enjoyment of
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the game. In fact, I think it enhanced it.
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It was something that you see. They got it right.
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Yeah. You know, I'll go back to when
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we, for those of you listening around the state, there was a
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show on KX&O back. I'm trying to remember the time
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period 2008 9:10 somewhere in there 9/10/11.
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Well, I think it was even a little bit well earlier than
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that because it was I believe on already before I moved here,
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which would have been like O 6 is when I moved here.
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And I believe it was maybe on the OR maybe it was the follow
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year, but might. Have been the but it was here at
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KX&O and and there were two Major League umpires that lived
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in in Des Moines, the late Eric Cooper, who's an Iowa State grad
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and the great and I I truly believe that and he's a friend
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of mine. I'm biased.
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Tim McClellan, they did a show on KX&O and I want to say it was
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Tuesday nights, Tuesday's in the offseason, it was called UMSI
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View. It was phenomenal.
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So I got to and and part of their agreement that they could
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do the show here is throughout the regular season, once a week
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they would come on with whatever show I was part of at the time,
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usually per all Jimmy B. But when replay first game to
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the game, they were reluctant to embrace it because they thought
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they were going to be embarrassed.
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They thought that they were going to be shown up by a, by
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somebody, you know, over ruling their call that they missed it
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and replay got it right the next year.
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And, and it stuck with me. They totally changed their
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opinion of it in a positive way. They weren't so against umpiring
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our replay in, in baseball in year #2 because they didn't know
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what it was going to be. They didn't want to be shown up.
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That's one of the things about UMS right.
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That's why they have such a short fuse that you can't show
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up an umpire. We get that.
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But they totally changed their opinions.
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So I'm wondering if there's, you know, we'll come around to
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this'll just people like the designated hitter or the wild
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card in the play offs. It's something that you know,
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that old boots don't want to don't want the game to change
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that all of a sudden it gets it wasn't as bad as I thought it
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was going to be. So we'll see where it goes.
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I'm yeah, looking through and trying to find some old times of
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when it started and finding some articles, unfortunately, about
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Eric's passing a beloved figure. I knew a lot of people that knew
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Coop and such a nice guy. Nothing but great things to say.
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Met him a couple of times. Just yeah.
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Super nice, interesting guy, fun to talk.
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Not just baseball with, but but everything.
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He's great. They're both were.
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Yes, they both were. And Tim was such a such a big
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man as I'm talking like he's gone.
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He's not. Yeah, 6/6.
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I mean, and some of the some of the the stuff that's happened in
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his career, I mean the George Brett thing, that's Tim
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McClellan. The Brett goes crazy running out
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of the dugout at Yankee Stadium. The Sammy Sosa cork bat, who's
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the home plate umpire in the crew chief?
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That would be Tim McClellan. Game 163, Padres.
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Colorado, the the one guy that that made the call, everybody
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thought he got it wrong, but he was the one that had it right in
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front of him. You know, there it was blocked.
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Can might he have got it wrong I guess.
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I think. He got wrong, but a lot of a lot
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of people feel the same way. Look, I thought but the same way
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yesterday that the the replay got wrong.
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Ian Hap was safe. Ian Hap was safe, but you
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couldn't overturn it. The catcher tagged the ground
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between his outstretched arms. He was sliding head first.
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But it's not perfect. But if you've got an opportunity
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to get it right, I think I've come around this.
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Just get the damn thing right. And we do it now.
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We do it at first base, we do it at second base.
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Those umpires still have a job, you know.
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Still out there, still have to be in control of what?
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If we have a brawl, what are the robots going to stop it?
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No, the one rule I want to enact, and this isn't just this
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year, If the bullpens are going to empty, two of them have to
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go. You have to fight OK if you're
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going to leave the bullpen. You're going to run in.
19:39
If you're going to run in from from outfield for absolutely
19:42
nothing, just to linger at the back of the pack, 2 of you have
19:44
to go. Because if you're going to delay
19:46
the game, you may as well fight. You can designate who your
19:48
fighter fighter is going to be before the series starts, but if
19:51
you're leaving your bullpen, you got to go.
19:53
I have the audio here from Nico Horner's objection.
19:56
And can you hear Craig counsel too, right?
19:58
I believe you can, yeah. This is from Marky.
20:01
Is it hard to listen? Is it, is it, it's pretty low
20:03
volume or yes. All right here, let's see what
20:05
we can get. Let's see if it pops up here.
20:09
Oh, wrong one. We'll try it again.
20:12
This is on the right tab now. You're having a really bad day
20:29
so far. That's it.
20:31
And then Council comes in you. Kicked him out for that.
20:34
He turns around, says you're having a really bad day so far.
20:38
That's it. And he gets run, you know?
20:41
And this was a a relatively new umpire.
20:44
I I think Jim Deshay's who said that in the broadcast yesterday
20:48
he was working with Alex Cohen Boo Boo Xiaomi did Saturday's
20:51
game. And then gone on Sunday and.
20:53
Then gone on Sunday so. For Sunday Night Baseball.
20:55
I wonder. I should have gone out to the
20:57
car and turned it on. Two weeks ago.
20:58
I did, and they were covering NBA, so they didn't carry ESPN.
21:02
It's really bothering you? It is bothering me 'cause it's
21:06
just not the same without my guy Boog working with the Shane.
21:09
The Shay's not have any fun with Cohen.
21:12
He's not. I can tell you crack me up.
21:16
Scott Dockerman coming up, we'll talk to Doc about the house
21:18
settlement, etcetera. What does this mean for Iowa?
21:20
What does this mean for Iowa State?
21:23
We're going to do more on that on tomorrow's program.
21:26
We will get to that. You know tomorrow we'll try and
21:29
get Bloom in here, try and get Heinrichs in here.
21:31
How's I? We're going to handle it.
21:33
I saw that Beth Getz put out a press release earlier today.
21:37
They're going to come up with a new fundraising mechanism.
21:41
They call it flight funds now. Is that instead of Heinrich?
21:45
Do you know? No, that is a disjunction, yeah.
21:47
Okay, so you can send your money to Brad Heinrich or you can send
21:51
it to Flight funds. So yeah, the Swarm Collective
21:54
will still be working with both nonprofit agencies and people
21:56
that are interested on having them be at a commercial doing
21:59
those kind of things. And that I would imagine is what
22:01
Bloom is going to be doing with the we will making these people
22:04
available to go out to do events, represent Iowa State.
22:07
We should get Bloom tomorrow. We should.
22:09
Get both tomorrow. Yeah, absolutely.
22:10
All right, let's get Mike in Waterloo, then we'll hear from
22:12
Scott Docman. He covers Iowa.
22:13
He covers college football for The Athletic.
22:16
Hello, Mike. Thanks for being patient.
22:18
How are you? Oh, pretty good.
22:19
You know, you guys got to quit whining about the Cubs.
22:22
The team to watch is a. Lot.
22:24
Come on. Come on, MM, nobody cares.
22:28
Partner, what do you say? We'd get swept three straight by
22:32
Kansas City, 1-2 out of three. That Elko at first base reminds
22:37
me of young Mark McGuire and the guy that let the ball hit his
22:41
head. He's got the third or fourth
22:43
best in the last two months on base percentage.
22:46
They've got some guys, they're better than we thought and.
22:49
They brought up another catcher, the left-handed catcher.
22:52
Oh, they did. Shortstop and AAA, they sent him
22:55
back to Arizona. He's tearing the ball off the
22:57
cover. 6 foot 4, get it? 450 foot home runs.
23:02
The only problem with the team, you've got a center, that
23:05
fielder that plays like he doesn't care, like Willie Bayes
23:08
and hits like Ozzy. Ganz So that's the only problem
23:11
for a team that's 22 and 44, if they change that, Mike, look
23:14
out. So what I'm telling you, watch
23:17
out Tran they. Suck.
23:18
They're awful. MMM, enough.
23:21
They're terrible. They're terrible.
23:22
Put a whooping on. Those wins, Mike, they're bad.
23:25
They're a bad baseball team. We're not going to sit here.
23:28
No, no, no. Mike, listen, listen.
23:29
Listen, Mike. Listen, Michael, you're done.
23:34
Listen, They are a bad baseball. Team, they're better than last
23:38
year. OK, they're better.
23:41
Mike is due. Mike, they are a bad baseball
23:44
team. We are not going to sit here on
23:46
the Iowa Sports Radio Network and talk about a bad baseball
23:49
team. We're not going to do that,
23:51
Mike. We will give them their due.
23:52
We'll give you a moment, but we're not going to linger on a
23:55
team that's 22 and 44. Is that fair?
23:58
No, no, because they're making progress.
24:01
You got to get. There.
24:01
MMMMMMM. Here's another thing.
24:05
Go Mike. You're not listening.
24:07
Mike, this is Miller and Condon. It's not Mike and Miller.
24:10
OK, If you do, see if you could come to that together right now.
24:13
It's not. You need to listen if you're
24:15
going to call into the program. And what I'm telling you is the
24:18
White Sox are, at best, the fourth most popular team in the
24:22
state of Iowa. This is the Iowa Sports Radio
24:24
Network. The Cubs are #1.
24:26
Cardinals 2, Twins 3. Rows 4. 5th, 5th and maybe the
24:30
Brewers, depending on our friends up in northeast Iowa,
24:32
might be ahead of the White Sox. So, Mike, we also have to do a
24:35
service to our listeners. Try back another time.
24:39
There he goes. 12:25 We'll get Scott Dockerman and he's You
24:42
don't like the White Sox, I take it?
24:44
No, I hate the White Sox. I would never would have
24:46
guessed. Now they're look at so I want to
24:48
learn more about the left-handed catcher he catches with his
24:51
right hand. Is that what Mike was trying?
24:53
To say probably a left-handed swinging catcher is what I'd
24:56
anticipate. Yeah, I mean, those are AJ
24:58
Burzynski was that guy. There's no those are Diamond
25:01
Dozen. I thought he, I thought Mike
25:02
Many actually is a left-handed catcher.
25:06
You don't see any of those. No, you do that.
25:08
We'll take your time out Miller and Cond and Iowa Sports Radio
25:11
Network. We're back with Scott Dockerman
25:12
next. I'm Mary Condon, welcome back
25:22
just past 1230 on a Monday, Matt Snyder coming off.
25:26
He kicks off hour number two for you baseball fans in the
25:29
listening audience. Major League Baseball
25:31
conversation with Snyder from CBSSports.com.
25:34
Scott Dockerman covers college football at The Athletic.
25:37
Of course, got a finger on the Hawkeye pulse as well.
25:40
Just Scott Pioli was hired today.
25:42
So he's been around since the fall according to the press
25:45
release and that was my take away right before I saw Doc
25:48
tweeted out he beat me to the punch.
25:50
But that was an eye opener. It was well decorated.
25:54
I think he got fired after they went 2 and 14 or something.
25:59
God, those were the days in Kansas City.
26:02
Hello, Scott Dockerman, Trenton, Kent.
26:04
How are you? You know what I'm doing Well, I,
26:08
I mean it just to reiterate kind of what you said there about
26:11
Scott, Of course, yes, he did not have a decorated tenure in,
26:14
in Kansas City, but you know, hired him as a consultant is
26:18
really impactful for Iowa in this new era because you've got
26:23
a guy who's who's had, you know, extensive experience at multiple
26:26
places in the NFL. He worked first worked with Kirk
26:29
in Cleveland and Baltimore back in the 90s has I remember
26:33
talking to Scott and Saint Joseph when he was the GM of the
26:38
Chiefs and he said he wanted to hire Kirk.
26:40
That was his guy. That's.
26:41
Really. And as his coach, so they are
26:44
very close. I've seen Scott at some of their
26:46
practices and in the building. So he knows fairly intimately
26:52
Iowa football or knows enough of it to really help the Hawkeyes
26:56
across the board. But specifically in football, I
26:59
kind of managed the the new era. So that's fascinating to me
27:03
because I'm trying to connect some dots, because when Paoli
27:06
took the GM, became GM of the Chiefs, he fired Herm Edwards.
27:11
And I can't remember who he hired, Todd Haley.
27:15
Todd Haley? That's exactly right.
27:17
So would that have been ferrets if Peoli would have got his way,
27:20
do you think? Yeah, it would have been.
27:22
Wow. Yeah.
27:23
He thinks the world occurred. I mean, like, you know, just
27:27
puts him on a pedestal. So he was, I, I talked to him
27:30
there and, and even his PR people are trying to shoo him
27:33
away and he said, no, I wanted to talk about Kirk and beat him
27:36
at practice, talked to him briefly a few times.
27:39
So yeah, he's, he and Kirk are pretty tight.
27:42
And Brian worked for him too in, in New England.
27:45
So, you know they they all have a pretty close relationship.
27:48
Yeah, Peoli was there for the beginning of the Tom Brady, Bill
27:52
Belichick run, correct? That's when he was there.
27:55
Yeah, yeah, he was ground floor and you know, worked his way up
27:58
to to what vice president and of player personnel.
28:02
He was kind of the machine there.
28:04
He was a three time executive of the year in the NFL.
28:06
So he's he's certainly had a a good role there when New England
28:11
and that he parlayed that just to kind of think branch away get
28:14
away from the Belichick era for a little bit.
28:17
Didn't quite work out obviously in Kansas City and, and and you
28:21
know, here's here's one thing, you know, it's completely
28:24
different era, but you know, when they did have the
28:27
opportunity to get a number one overall pick, there was no
28:30
quarterback there for him to take.
28:32
Is that Fisher's? Yeah, when they got and Eric
28:36
Fisher was a quality player, but he certainly wasn't a Hall of
28:40
Famer, which is what you're trying to get with your number
28:42
one pick overall. That's true.
28:44
Todd Haley to Romeo Cornell, and that's.
28:46
Where it went, huh? That was.
28:47
The end of Peoli in Kansas City with those two hires, what could
28:51
have been and boy, it would have been different for Iowa
28:53
football. Hey, Doc, we wanted to talk a
28:55
lot about the house settlement, what that kind of means before
28:58
we get into the macro. And Ken and I got a bunch of
29:00
question on that. Let's go micro what what it
29:02
means to Iowa and we can even throw Iowa State into the
29:05
conversation. What does this mean?
29:07
Did anything change with what came down on Friday night for
29:11
Iowa and Iowa State from what we've talked about here the last
29:13
couple of months? You know, it's, it's now
29:18
official, which I mean, I think everybody and I've talked to
29:21
other a DS around the country recently that everybody's just
29:24
exhaling now. Like finally something some
29:28
structure. We've been wanting this for a
29:30
while. It's been put on hold to any
29:32
kind of we're getting worried about it now.
29:34
It's it's there. So now they can execute the
29:37
strategy that they planned for. I know Iowa's had one a long
29:39
time under Beth Getz. I assume you know, Jamie
29:42
Pollard's the same way at Iowa State, excellent 80s.
29:46
So they you know, for for Iowa in the short term, you know, now
29:51
they can just kind of move forward with their plan.
29:53
I mean, I think what we're, you know, we're going to I I would
29:57
say is how does the money flow from fans to differently, you
30:03
know, before it was to the the swarm collective and will people
30:07
still donate to swarm because it's going to need to be there.
30:11
You know, this isn't just a magic formula where, oh, OK, now
30:14
it all goes to the athletic department.
30:15
The athletic department could spend it on the athletes and,
30:18
and all as well. I mean, it really is incumbent
30:22
to raise money on the side because you're going to need
30:24
that to get that quarterback, point guard, whatever.
30:28
So that to me is going to be, you know, pretty fascinating
30:33
going forward. What about Olympic sports, Doc?
30:36
What does this mean for them? Are are they in jeopardy or, or,
30:39
or are some sports in jeopardy? Or is that kind of difficult to
30:43
answer because every school's going to do things differently?
30:46
Or can they? Every school will be able to do
30:50
things differently. And I think this is going to be
30:53
really another interesting thing to watch is which sports kind of
30:58
rise or maintain and which ones baseball at different
31:01
institutions, not just Iowa. And the example that I've been
31:05
that I've given for a while is take women's basketball at Iowa.
31:09
It's very important. Iowa needs it to be good.
31:12
It is good and it needs to stay good.
31:14
And that's something that you're not going to start, you know,
31:17
try to, you know, spread around the well, you're going to have
31:20
to focus on a program that you want to be excellent to be
31:24
there. However, when you look at, say,
31:26
volleyball, Iowa is a is a bottom feeder in the best league
31:30
in the country. And it's going to be hard to
31:32
even get to the mid level in that league.
31:35
Now that can change over. So you're not going to, you
31:38
know, you're, you're not going to provide them with outstanding
31:41
resources when you've got to feed women's basketball and
31:44
other sports. Now that could change over time.
31:46
You know, I mean, if, if there's a way where they get better very
31:49
quickly and well, maybe they need to execute a different
31:52
strategy. But then you look at A at a
31:53
competitor, you know, their, their sister program, frankly,
31:56
is Wisconsin and women's basketball has lost what, 31
32:01
straight games to Iowa. They're bottom feeder in the big
32:04
10 in basketball, but they are one of the elite programs in, in
32:07
volleyball. They're probably looking at it
32:09
as similar trajectory where you want to help out women's
32:12
basketball, but you've got to, you have to be good in
32:15
volleyball. So I, I think you're going to
32:17
see more, more of that throughout like institutions to
32:22
where some schools are going to be able to pay a lot for certain
32:26
sports. Some schools are just going to
32:27
say just wear the jersey and try your best.
32:30
And I think, you know, and, and one sport, and I have brought it
32:34
up before that I've been concerned about and I'm a little
32:37
less so now after the after the region stuff is baseball,
32:41
because that's a sport that doesn't cost a lot of money.
32:44
And we've seen Wisconsin and Iowa State, Northern Iowa have
32:48
eliminated it. So I think in this situation
32:51
you, you've got to be cognizant that, you know, can baseball
32:54
flourish? And I think it now, now that
32:57
they're going to invest 5.8 million in a in a renovation, I
32:59
think they're going to give it its best shot.
33:02
But in 10 years down the road, that remains to be seen.
33:05
Doc, as you've mentioned, you've fanned out and you're talking to
33:08
a lot more people outside of Iowa as your role is growing
33:10
over there at The Athletic and expand it out.
33:13
Wrestling, you know the importance in this state.
33:16
Wrestling's not going to go away at the University of Iowa as
33:18
long as the NCAA is still having a championship event for it.
33:21
But how many teams are they going to be competing with?
33:23
You know, you look at a sport like men's gymnastics, what is
33:25
there 20 programs at the D1 level?
33:28
Could college wrestling? That's got to be on the chopping
33:30
block, I would think for a lot of athletic departments, not at
33:33
Iowa, not at Iowa State, but a lot of them out there.
33:35
You're looking to cut wrestling. Could it be well finished in the
33:38
top 20? Hope you do because there's only
33:40
going to be 20 teams actually wrestling.
33:43
Sure. And and that's something that
33:45
that we all have to watch for. And I know it's something that
33:48
everybody's gonna wrestle with. I mean, right now every, you
33:51
know, everybody's saying, OK, we've got our money.
33:53
We're gonna continue to maintain this.
33:54
But as you go where you, where you look at wrestling and it may
33:58
cost you $2,000,000 and say, you know what, we'd be better off if
34:02
we were to, to move that money into the football or, or even
34:05
another Olympic sport. That's, that's got, you know,
34:08
more potential. I mean, if you're Indiana and
34:11
you think, well, we can move that into soccer where we're
34:13
really good, or Minnesota into ice hockey or, you know, now
34:18
Minnesota would probably be one that would keep it.
34:20
But, but, but there are a lot of schools, I, I would say outside
34:24
of the three or four in the Big 10 that you wonder just, you
34:27
know, does this make sense for Michigan State, for Purdue, for
34:31
Indiana and Northwestern? And and so I think it bears
34:35
watching and it used to be because of Title 9 even things
34:39
out, but now it's all strictly financial because you want to be
34:43
good in the sports you're supposed to be good at in Iowa,
34:45
wrestling is is very, very important.
34:48
It's not going anywhere. But at again, if you're Indiana,
34:53
soccer is really important. You win national titles in
34:56
soccer. Maybe it maybe when you look
34:58
down the road, it's like or Maryland, you know, or someplace
35:01
like that. It's like let's, let's invest in
35:03
these sports and, and sorry, we, we just can't do it anymore in
35:07
wrestling. Yeah, so many schools good at
35:09
lacrosse. Big 10 is terrific at hockey.
35:12
Big East Hockey E they're big. You wonder what that's going to
35:16
do. So you mentioned Title 9.
35:17
What does this do to Title 9 Doc?
35:20
Well, with the, with the roster limits, it's forced schools to
35:25
actually boost more scholarships towards women's sports because
35:30
in, in effect, you could kind of work around it without the
35:34
scholarships because you have the numbers and a lot of them
35:37
did that with rowing, where you, it was an equivalency sport.
35:41
You could have 20 scholarships and then voila, here's the, you
35:46
know, 120 play athletes on your team and you could spread it
35:49
out. And that's, that's kind of how
35:51
you skirt it around. Well, now with roster limits,
35:53
you can't do that. And you're going to have to
35:54
provide that type of number of scholarships.
35:56
And the one thing with universities is scholarships
36:00
have to be be proportionate to your male, female student ratio.
36:04
So I think in Iowa it's maybe 54% female.
36:07
So you have to have that type of number on the scholarship front.
36:10
So they, they've been in the position of having to add about
36:13
20 women's scholarships going into next year.
36:16
And, and so that's, that's part of it there.
36:19
And you know, they're, they're trying to cut some costs.
36:22
I know there have been a few layoffs, not very many, but
36:24
there have been a few. They're mostly trying to do that
36:27
with attrition in in the athletic department, neither
36:32
people leaving or retiring and not filling their roles.
36:35
But it's still, it's going to be a costly prop, a costly
36:39
proposition for Iowa and of course at Iowa State.
36:42
So Next up is what another lawsuit's going to be coming?
36:47
How does this end? Is it the athletes become
36:50
employees? Is that kind of the simplest end
36:52
game to all of this? That would be one that you would
36:57
look at in the far distant future as something that could
36:59
happen, you know, maybe in the far distant future, I mean like
37:03
2 years, you know, you just don't know.
37:06
I mean, you know, things change so quickly that that that could
37:09
be the end all now. You know, of course they don't
37:11
want to provide they they provide athletes with a lot of
37:14
different things. But but employment status does
37:17
kind of change the dynamic and that's what they've been trying
37:19
to avoid. I'm not so sure I've heard it
37:21
both ways. I'm not so sure that the
37:23
athletes would want to be officially employees, but but
37:26
that that being said, you know, I think they're going to look
37:30
for protections through Congress now that this settlement is in.
37:34
They can start to go to congressional representatives
37:39
and ask for antitrust exemption to avoid some of the lawsuits,
37:44
to maybe be able to implement some things that they wouldn't
37:47
be able to otherwise. So that's probably the next
37:51
step. But yeah, there's going to be
37:52
lawsuits. There always is.
37:53
And so lawyers are going to keep busy.
37:57
For The Athletic, what's going to keep you busy this week, doc?
37:59
What can we look forward to? Yeah, I've got a story.
38:03
We've kind of been doing this 25 for 25 and tomorrow is my 25 off
38:08
field stories over the last 25 years.
38:12
And and it's it's pretty exhausting.
38:14
There's a lot of stuff in there, as you can imagine, that not
38:18
just games, but people and, and situations and issues that have
38:23
changed the face of college athletics over the last 25
38:26
years. So that goes tomorrow.
38:27
And then I've got a couple other projects that I'm really knee
38:30
deep in so far. So, yeah, my, my summer is not
38:35
just like it used to be back, you know, when my older
38:38
colleagues were around in the 90s and they could just take the
38:40
summer off. Don't.
38:41
Do that. Anymore.
38:42
So is is Belichick part of it? Is Dion part of it?
38:46
Those would be two that would be on my pop into my head as far as
38:49
25. Certainly Dion is, yeah.
38:53
I don't. I haven't put Belichick on there
38:55
yet because I don't. But who knows, maybe by end of
38:58
this year, maybe he will be. But you know, you've got all
39:00
these issues related to, say, the house settlement, open
39:03
transfer portal. You know, one I will say that I
39:07
left off was Sandusky. How you how do you rate a
39:13
scandal of that proportion with that against the NCAA video
39:19
game? You know, so it just doesn't, I
39:22
mean that that's, I don't even want to use a comparison because
39:25
it sounds crass, but that that's just what you can't do.
39:28
So anyway, yeah, that comes out tomorrow and it should be.
39:31
I hope people enjoy it. Well, we will certainly look
39:34
forward to it. Thank you, Scott Dockerman.
39:35
We'll talk to you next week. Appreciate it doc.
39:37
All right, Thanks. Have a good day.
39:38
Guys, good to talk to you. Scott Dockerman from The
39:40
Athletic as we try and educate ourselves on the House
39:43
settlement. Take your time out, come back,
39:44
finish up the hour, Miller and Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio
39:47
Network. Hi Miller and Condon, welcome
39:51
back. Iowa Sports Radio Network U.S.
39:53
Open week coming up this week we'll get Matt Rudy in here, a
39:56
guy to talk about the US Open. Oakmont is the scene.
40:01
Speculation is if you can. If you can break par, you got a
40:07
chance to win this thing. That's what the winning score
40:10
they're think is going to be. 1 under one over even par.
40:14
A lot of golfers would sign for that right now, apparently.
40:16
And you know, I love that part of it.
40:18
I love when we have AUS Open like this.
40:21
I know they trick it up. I know it's not fair, but for
40:24
one tournament, it's OK. I'm with you.
40:26
I'm OK with it. It's is it not real golf?
40:29
Do you actually pull out the best golfer in the field?
40:33
Maybe not, but for 1/4 day tournament a year I'm OK with it
40:40
being tricky, being unfair being so.
40:41
There's not a lot of water on this course, but there's a lot
40:45
of bunkers and the rough is unforgiving.
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Is is is if I got it right? The rough that I saw a week ago
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and they are not cutting it from that point, right was ridiculous
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really we're talking so. If you stand and you just drop
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your ball, you lose it if. You have ankle socks on, the
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grass is going to be over your ankle.
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Socks so you better hit the fairways so you better so so you
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don't have to hit it long is that what you're saying too?
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So we. Let's see U.S.
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Open. You probably still got to hit a
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long too. Oh.
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It's gonna be fascinating. Hour 2 coming up next.
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Matt Snyder kicks it off CBSSports.com.
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Alec Bussey still to come. It's the Iowa Sport Radio
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Network.