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Alison Appears on Pearl Panel Soon? Also Pearl vs Roma Epic Red Pill battle | Maintaining Frame 73 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  I'm here with Alison and this is a maintaining frame. He's number seventy three.
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  Yes, and we're gonna be Yeah, we're gonna be talking about Allison's
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  recent appearance on a panel that was arranged by Pearl Davis. Apparently Karen was
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  on there too. She's not here right now, but she'll be along in
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  a little while. I can I think I can describe it if you guys
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  can hear me. Essentially, it's going out on one of her networks.
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  It was hosted by a young woman named Christine, so it's not really Pearls
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  podcast, but it's basically, I guess guests that she wants to hear more
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  of our panels that she wants to hear more of so that kind of thing.
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  It's like a couple steps removed, I suppose from Pearl herself little but
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  that's that's okay, guess okay. It's good to get the word out there
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  and talk to new people and get them exposed. It was definitely interesting to
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  be on a panel with people who didn't just stare at me blankly when I
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  said yeah, I don't think that men oppressed women ever. Ever, And
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  then you know, everybody on that panel was like, yeah, that seems
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  about right or even had come to that conclusion. Separately, there was a
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  individual who looks into the biological history I think of like it's more of an
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  on the anthropological spectrum of science. But he apparently was also a physicist,
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  and he wrote a book called the Mechanics of Sex, and he seemed to
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  understand that. So he was on the panel. Yeah, he was on
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  the panel called the Mechanics of Sex. I do not remember his name.
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  Just give me a second. Yeah, sure, And you know, I
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  do not think that it's the erotic flights of fancy. All right too Littlhelm's
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  circle. Maybe maybe Nope, that was January first, nineteen fifty. All
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  right. It's a little difficult because there's a few people on the panel and
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  it's hard to keep track of everybody. So there was that dude, and
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  he was really he had some interesting things to say, particularly about like anthropological
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  stuff related to countries and gatherers and wow on the vote. And then there
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  was a a woman who wrote the Occult History of Feminism. Oh, Rachel
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  Wilson, Yeah, yeah, a cult. I'm reading her book or cult
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  feminism. Yeah, Rachel Wilson as somebody I'm in talks with to come on
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  the show. I'm almost finished with her book. Actually, yeah, yeah,
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  it would sound like a really interesting book. She was very knowledgeable about
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  history. Yes, that's the the book is really good. And then there
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  was Karen and then me. Wow, and yeah it was. It was
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  a really interesting panel. It was. The panelists were definitely a lot more
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  I think, I don't want to high brow. I know that sounds really
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  Actually that's what I was gonna say, because, like you know, I've
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  watched Pearls content and well normally on her podcast she has like women, you
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  know, kind of like normy women off the street or that have an interest
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  or some academic feminists and people that you know are generally like either not knowledgeable
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  or hostile. And I kind of thought, that's, you know, maybe
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  in part what this would be. But this seemed like a necessary almost a
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  dare I say, academic discussion. Yeah, it was. It was more
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  of an academic discussion, more on on the level of theory, and yet
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  very like I said, very knowledgeable people. The woman who Rachel with occult
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  history of feminism, like very knowledgeable about history, and then the anthropologist guy,
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  very knowledgeable about you know, human sexuality and also you know, anthropology
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  and history, and then Karen of course, and then me, I'm knowledgeable
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  about nothing. But well, well okay, so what were some let's say,
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  how was the conversation directed, like, like, you know, were
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  you just like allowed to just because lose or did Christine like pose some some
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  positions or questions? Okay, we started with the question about a trans woman
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  who was a former football coach and was anointed a Person of the Year or
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  sorry woman top one hundred hottest women. Yeah, and yeah, that that
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  individual is not a hot woman, like if you're gonna if you're gonna like
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  do this kind of I don't know, diversifying the word hot to women who
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  are in no ways hot. Why don't you go with women who are like
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  Grandma's you know, the head of the purple hats, your local purple hat
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  society. Why why does it just trans women? You know what I mean?
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  Like, yeah, people are saying you should be a little louder.
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  Okay, I'll turn you up. No, no, no, I got
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  it, I got it. Go ahead. Okay, So why would you
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  like if you're gonna and somebody pointed out, like, why not Blair White
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  or Farren Meyer. Why this woman who is really unattractive for what? For
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  a trans woman? Yeah, for a trans woman, for a woman for
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  a trans woman, Yes, very unattractive woman. And she's presented as in
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  she's in the top one hundred of hottest women in Australia or something, just
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  talking about that, and I just I just just like, you know,
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  I really I'm not really that, you know, like the trans conversation isn't
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  my thing, because it feels like it's just the latest iteration of the the
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  search for what Karen called the monolithic infant class. So it's like this this
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  politicization of this maternal instinct and they're trying to find a target for it,
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  and trans women are the latest one, you know. So I'm like more
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  interested in the the impulse behind it rather than oh my god, insert Muslim,
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  insert black, insert gay, insert trans and look at them what they're
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  doing. Well, you know, that's not really does not really wear.
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  The problem stems. The problem stems, and the reason why they're getting such
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  a huge platform is because they are the latest target of liberal women's sublimated maternal
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  instincts. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I mean it does.
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  I think I think that I think you're right. I mean I think there's
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  a well, actually that's probably the value you bring to the table though,
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  because you know a lot of people are reacting to whatever the most like the
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  whatever the current thing is, because the most current thing is usually the most
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  kind of like radical expression of this this you know, of this path I
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  guess that we're on. It's like the latest most radical expression. So you
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  got so you got like women, well you've got trans women, made Women
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  of the Year and you know, like becoming I don't know, working for
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  what's the Victoria's Secret. You know, it's a Victoria's Secret models or or
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  Miss America and then there's going to be a Miss Universe and it's all just
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  the people are respond to this but there. But what you're doing is saying,
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  well, look this started way back here, like you you know,
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  like you're just responding to latest iteration of this this impulse. You know,
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  like this is just the third stage rocket here. Yeah, there's been other
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  stages before. Now, yes, we're we're pretty highly elevated at at the
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  third stage, but this is this is you know, if you really want
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  to change this around, you gotta you gotta look at the guidance system,
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  not what's propelling it. If that makes sense, Oh it does. Uh
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  so, So we talked about that and where was I going to go with
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  that? Well, the trans thing is, like you said, it's it's
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  just the latest iteration, and it is. It's it's absurd. It's getting
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  to the absurd. But do you remember when you know, like it was
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  it's been like maybe seven years ago, honey back we were talking about muslim
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  men. Yeah, like col when that happened, Yeah, when that happened,
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  and they were all like, oh, oh, these these liberal women,
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  they're caping for Muslim men, and that was the big thing. You
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  remember that, And you know even before then, now all these liberal women
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  they're caping for gay men and and all of this, like this is just
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  goes in waves and it always be it's always getting to be more and more
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  absurd because what they really want is an infant, Like they want somebody who
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  had the world has to bend around utterly. Yeah, and you have to
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  do that with infants because they have no ability to take care of themselves,
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  They have no resilience. They have no very little ability to adjust to their
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  circumstances. They have to be kept warm, they have to be swaddled,
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  they have to be indulged, or they die. So that's what these women
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  are looking for, but they're looking for that in actual adult human beings,
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  and it just creates this intense it is this intense dynamic of dysfunction. Yeah,
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  because they're trying to force trans women to resemble infants. They're trying to
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  force Muslims to resemble infants, They're trying to force black people to resemble that's
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  the that's the long term one, you know, the black community, Black
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  people that you know, what we see today is like, uh, several
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  generations of infantilization by liberal women, which is just absolutely destroys black families and
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  black abs. Well yeah, I mean it almost it basically has they're seeking
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  the perfect right, right, and I agree, and I think that well,
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  I don't know if they you know, realize this in the panel,
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  but it seemed to be so thing they found interesting. Yeah, I mean
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  like because what well people will do, this is what I've seen these days,
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  right, people will look at what's going on with the transling. We
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  covered Dylan mulvaney being made Woman of the Year by a it was like a
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  gay magazine or something, so you could say they're kind of tongue in cheek
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  with it, but it did like go make the rounds, and I said,
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  I think this is great. I said, let's let's make her miss
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  Universe. Let's give her all the awards, let's give let's give her all
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  the praise. And the reason why is because I want people to see like
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  where this goes. But more than that, like I'm pointing out that it
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  was, you know, because people like jk Rowling, for example, are
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  like getting in a lot of hot water. Because she's drawing the line.
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  That's essentially all it is. Jk Rowling is a pretty diadinga wool hardcore feminist,
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  you know, from not even I wouldn't even say like intersectional or like
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  second wave. I would say probably more recent, like before the first trans
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  woman entered a woman's bathroom, I would say she was a feminist right up
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  to that point. Right that's where she draws a line. But because she
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  did draw a line, she's getting a lot of heat and hatred for it
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  from intersectionals and progressives, et cetera. Because the purity testing never ends.
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  It's an endless revolution. That doesn't you know until you get to the end
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  of history is or of like the goal. So what I'm saying is is
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  that the people on your panel they need to realize that this is where it's
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  going because and I think Rachel Wilson gets it, but I don't know about
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  the other ones because what they will do and what I've seen people like JK
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  Rowling, people like I don't know, James Lindsay, who I have a
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  lot of respect for, I think he's wrong. He'll be like, well,
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  we just need to go back to insert decade here. Oh if only
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  things were like they were in the two thousands or the nineties or the eighties
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  or whatever. But the problem is that, yeah, that's not gonna fix
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  Like you can't really you'd have to go back to like pre Victorian like times
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  to even like get a glimpse of what you're looking for. So you can
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  only find something like you have to come up with something new, you know,
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  like something or something forgotten. Maybe there was something that we've lost,
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  but there's no going back to the nineties. And this is what a lot
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  of these people do, and and because they drew a line and everything before
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  that line was acceptable, but everything after that line is not. And so
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  they have to realize that this, you know, there is no there's no
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  going back across that. Like you it's not, it's not gonna be enough.
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  You're just it's like, you know, you remember those toy cars that
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  you like, you you can pull back on them and then you let go
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  and they go really fast. They had like a like a spring motor or
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  something inside you do you guys know that it's like that. It's like,
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  oh, let's just pull it back to the nineties and then release it and
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  it just goes forward again. Because we're here because we have essentially allowed this
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  to get to this point. It's not because it just can't. It didn't
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  come from nowhere. So yeah, I mean, and I think and I
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  think that's the that if you are well, they need to understand the dynamics
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  underneath it. Yeah, Like I think in a lot of cases they're very
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  receptive to it. I don't know how much I gave them something to chew
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  over or think about, you know, but it is like I think that
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  The other point that I made is I don't think that people who think that
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  they've they've encountered. They're just doing this gender revolution and they're and they're they're
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  discovering true androgyny or whatever the hell they think they're doing. They're questioning the
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  true gender rules. They don't. Yeah, they're one expressing the very instincts
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  that they think that they're avoiding. Mm hmm. It is liberal women.
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  They're not. They haven't gotten away from from their maternal instincts. It's just
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  their maternal instincts are directed towards political growth groups now. And the thing is
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  that the more irrational and the more the world has to revolve for itself around
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  the group that they advocate for, the hegemonic infant class or the monolithic infant
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  class. The more irrational they are, the better in the estimation of liberal
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  feminists or liberal women. I guess that's an oxymoron. So each iteration is
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  going to be worse than the last. And what's really amusing to me is
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  now the Conservatives are in alignment with the Muslims. Yeah, because the muslim
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  even though you know, seven years ago they were like, ah, is
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  this the hell you want to die on defending muslim men? And I'm like,
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  well, I defend all men. You know, if they're guilty,
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  they're guilty. But let's find out in the court of law, you know.
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  And they're like, why this is the hill you're gonna die? Well,
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  I didn't die on that hill. And looky, LOOKI suddenly the conservatives
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  are like our Muslim brothers and sisters who are going to fight against this next
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  monolithic infant class that liberal women have identified. And and it's like, this
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  is, okay, what's going to be after trans women? Really, that's
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  what I'm curious about. What's going to be the next completely irrational, monolithic
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  infant class that liberal women attached to. Like is there gonna be one?
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  Or is this the one that's really gonna break everything? Is this really the
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  snake swallowing its tail and it's finally got to the base of its own skull?
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  Yeah? You know what I mean. Yeah, I'm hoping that that's
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  where we're at now. But anyway, yes, that's that's one of the
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  things that I said. And and so she talked about the trans women and
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  then she talked about this really awful like she brought up this really awful uh
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  tweet by a person named Penelope, which you may may ring some bells,
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  but she's talked. This individual asserted that seven out of ten men masturbate to
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  the suffering of women and children. What, sixty four percent of women are
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  victims of marital rape, and a quarter of divorces are a result of men's
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  domestic violence. And hold on, hold on, I'm getting I've been trying
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  to adjust it in the chat, but I'm getting from people that our volumes
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  are really different, even though on my obs our levels look very comparable.
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  Could you get either get closer to your microphone or make sure that using the
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  correct one. Okay, I can try to get because I'm using a different
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  microphone, which probably I should stop doing because I guess it causes problems like
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  this. How's that? Yeah, I mean that's I don't know. We'll
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  see what the chat says. There's a little lag, so we'll just wait
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  and see what they say. Yeah, just tell me if this is better.
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  But okay, so this individual said the following, seventy percent of men
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  masturbate to the suffering of women and children, thirty four percent of women are
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  subjected to marital rape. Of married women are subjected to marital rape, and
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  one in every four divorce is due to a man's domestic violence against his wife
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  ex wife, and the person who Christine, person who was hosting the panel
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  sort of called her to the mat and said, Okay, what are your
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  sites? And apparently this individual cited a study in which men lie more,
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  except it was one of those stupid online studies. Brother, Oh yeah,
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  I know, and so it's like completely unsourced statistics. And so she was
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  going back and forth and women and her and she's twenty three and to disturb
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  by the fact that women of her generation believe this crap. Well, I
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  mean it's everything that they've been told, right, They're saturated by it.
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  Yeah, and it's of course leading to the fact that we're going to be
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  experiencing demographic collapse because women aren't getting in relationships, they're not having children,
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  et cetera, et cetera, and a lot of it, and I mean
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  a lot of it has to do and this is what I mentioned on the
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  previous the previous podcast with with Christine. So she was she was, Okay,
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  I've been on two podcasts Guys, one last week and one this week,
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  and Christine was also the host of the previous one. I think she's
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  sort of taking over the panel discussions. Yeah, she's a producer that works
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  for Pearl. Yes, okay, so what what we What we talked about
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  last week was more about the dating and getting into relationship side of things.
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  And at the end of that podcast, I said that she brought up the
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  idea of mandatory monogamy, and we all discussed that, and we went through
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  it and talked about it, and in the end, I said, well,
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  okay, can we just try something a little less than mandatory monogamy.
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  Why don't we try shared custody, presumption of shared custody on divorce, split
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  the assets, you know, fifty to fifty, no alimony. So improve
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  the divorce laws for men, and stop presenting men as the worst choice a
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  woman can make in terms of her life, like having a husband that's going
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  to be domestic servitude, or he's going to be abusive to you, or
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  he's his masculinity is toxic. So we basically we basically say to women that
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  the worst thing you can do to yourself is have a man in your life.
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  Maybe we could stop shooting ourselves in the foot. But instead of just
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  saying, oh, let's make monogamy mandatory, why don't we stop condemning men's
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  masculinity as criminal and toxic. Stop condemning relationships as with men as slavery,
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  you know, just stop shooting ourselves in the foot, and maybe our foot
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  will feel better. And I think she sort of took that to heart,
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  and this one she's again sort of referenced that when she's talking about this woman
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  putting this out and making basically making the culture around men even more toxic,
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  you know what I mean? Yeah, like the culture around she's basically saying
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  this, Penelope is basically saying to women, Oh, if you get in
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  a relationship with a man, you're getting in a relationship with a fucking demon,
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  right yea. So she's actually pushing this this greater and greater lack of
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  a desire to be in a relationship with men, refusality in relationships with men,
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  thinking that relationship ship with men is terrible, you know that kind of
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  thing, right, And so I think she picked up on that because I
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  made that connection for her with when you have feminism saying that men are a
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  poor choice and partner and that masculinity is less than worthless, it's criminal,
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  less, and less women are going to get in relationships and until you fix
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  that, you are going to be looking at a situation where the number of
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  relationships decrease every generation. You have to fix that. We don't need to
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  talk about mandatory monogamy. We don't need to even consider it. Let's just
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  do that first. Stop under selling men or anti selling what is the right
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  word for it. Stop demonizing men, Stop pushing agic prop against men,
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  Stop saying that relationships with men are horrible, onerous burdens. You know,
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  it's like, let's do that, like before we even talk talk about enforcing
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  monogamy, why don't we just do that? And she sort of took that
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  to heart. And the other thing is that when I noticed in this podcast,
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  is she made it. She made a connection that I made a while
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  ago. Yeah, you can't address men's is this is this the host,
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  the producer you're talking about, right, Yes, Christine, I'm I've been
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  talking about this entire time. Okay, I'm just making sure. Yeah,
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  go ahead, she made this connection. You can't start addressing men's issues with
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  the with feminism. You can't start addressing men's issues if you are demonizing them
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  as the oppressor, you know, And she said that, and you know
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  she's making these connections and it's cool to see like it's it's this is this
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  is something that I did not know would happened, like twenty years ago.
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  Well maybe, but as things get worse, people are starting to make these
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  connections and realize something has to move, something has to change. So I
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  mean, ultimately, yes, I know that for example, Honey Badger Radio
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  is very small, especially compared to someone like Pearl, which I think she
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  goes more for the sensationalist stuff, which is fine. Somebody has to do
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  it right, someone who's got to break the ice. Yeah, But what
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  our purpose is is to keep this going, to keep the conversation going,
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  regardless of how many people necessarily listening, hopefully enough to keep it alive long
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  enough that a larger body of people there's the pain is sufficient. Like I
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  talked on them about the chasm, the pain is sufficient for the large body
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  of people on the other side of the chasm to realize I don't want to
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  be here anymore. So we're on this side of the chasm keeping the light
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  on right so that when the people on the other side dealing with the misery
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  machine and descending into greater and greater depths pain Finally look up and decide that
• 24:53
  what they're doing is fucking them. And they look over and they can see
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  us on this side of the cab with the with the beacon lit right and
• 25:02
  saying, hey, it's you know, coming over here will be less painful,
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  at least on a psychological level, right, And that's the point of
• 25:12
  Honey Badger Radios, to keep the beacon lit. And it's it's good to
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  see that more and more people are realizing that the solutions we've done in the
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  past aren't freaking working. You can't blame men to to resolve a problem that's
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  caused by blaming men who to thunk? Right, who would have thunk,
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  big thunk right here, big damn thunk, like doing me a thunk?
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  And you know, I don't like we're gonna probably go into comparing Pearl and
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  Roma. Right, Yeah, I got I got the I got the shorts
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  page up, so we can look at a couple. Okay, let's look
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  at it all right, let me go to that. I don't know if
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  Karen's gonna show up. So if Karen shows up, I'll have to I'll
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  have to turn off this, uh, this audio. You might want to
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  do it anyway, yeah. Yeah, people, this this is something we're
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  trying out. Guys, do you like it? Tell us? Yeah?
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  I mean I think it's all right. It gives it some activity. Yeah,
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  you should do your spiel before we do. Before we do that,
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  let's face it, all the literature that I I'm seeing right now,
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  or almost all of it is either decidedly neutral suspiciously neutral, so you know
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  that it's probably a conservative writing and they're just not alluding to anything like That's
• 28:11
  that's that's writing today. It's either suspiciously neutral or actively anti mail mm hm.
• 28:18
  You know, and that's it. That's what we and people are like,
• 28:22
  Well, why don't boys read anymore? Why is boys literacy going down?
• 28:26
  Well, because they have a choice between not reading and becoming even more
• 28:33
  suicidal. Yeah, because the shit that's being pushed out there. Yeah,
• 28:38
  and it is shit like, it is absolutely cliched, stereotypical crap that's going
• 28:45
  out in the under the under the term literature, which it isn't. It's
• 28:52
  freaking it's freaking nineteen eighty for AI machine problem, you know, just just
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  input feminist and then it comes out. Anyway, I would honestly advise anyone
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  with a young young son not to let them read, just just keep them
• 29:11
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  because what happened is I was looking at how books start, just to get
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  an idea of how I should start my book because beginnings I suck at.
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  And so I did a whole, like, uh survey of what good Reads
• 29:41
  thinks is the top literature of the last three years. And I just downloaded
• 29:45
  sample after sample after sample after sample, and I swear to ever living fuck,
• 29:49
  at least one third to one half of what I read was some kind
• 29:56
  of feminist dystopia. It's just getting sickening the sheer level of delusion. So
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• 30:33
  hey Karen, how you doing? Hey Cam? Oh yeah, no,
• 30:37
  I finished cooking. M oh no, roasted potatoes, beets, carrots,
• 30:47
  and onions, roasted in ghee with herbs and then uh dry brine pork tenderloin
• 30:57
  pan fried in a grill. Sounds amazing. Oh no, it is.
• 31:04
  It's like one of the it's one of the perennials favorites I've today. So,
• 31:11
  oh, why would you do that? But yeah, no, it's
• 31:15
  it's literally it's one of the easiest meals. It takes time to cook,
• 31:22
  but it takes time to cook, but it takes like over an hour to
• 31:26
  cook all of it, but it only takes about fifteen to twenty minutes of
• 31:32
  prep and then you just kind of have to keep an eye on it.
• 31:37
  So it's it's like one of those meals that if you have someone home during
• 31:41
  the day. Right, it's not like a slow cooker meal, you know,
• 31:45
  where you put it in in the morning and then you turn it,
• 31:48
  you set it and forget it for like eight hours. You you actually have
• 31:53
  to keep an eye on it. But it doesn't it's like so little work.
• 31:59
  It's it's insanely easy and it's so good and my husband can eat it
• 32:06
  and it won't kill it. Yay. So I just yeah, no,
• 32:09
  that's like the first priority. So I just gave him a rundown of how
• 32:14
  the panel went. Christine was really on the ball with Yeah, we're talking
• 32:17
  about that as well. Yeah, Christine, like everybody, everybody was awesome.
• 32:22
  David, I you know, I remember him from last time I was
• 32:25
  on the panel with him. He's like super smart. Rachel was really freaking
• 32:34
  insightful, and you know, she told me things that I didn't know,
• 32:37
  which is you know, like she rattled off names from the seventeen hundreds that
• 32:45
  I was not familiar with, right, and and then you know, Christine
• 32:52
  was a good host, except she had a hard time hurting the cats.
• 32:55
  Yeah you well, no, actually, everybody was a bit of a everybody.
• 33:00
  Everybody was just like okay, but and then yeah, yes, yes,
• 33:06
  and then and so everybody wanted to expand on everybody else's points and yeah
• 33:14
  no, so like which is like a great discussion, It just is it
• 33:17
  would be really hard to be a host. So and she did, really
• 33:22
  she was very patient for another three hours. Sorry, I was very patient.
• 33:27
  I'm sure that all of us could have discussed this for another three hours.
• 33:30
  Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, we could have all just like
• 33:32
  been you know, it could have been like a seven hour stream of us
• 33:37
  all just going off on our tangents and like seeding ideas in this soil and
• 33:45
  that soil and all the other soil. And you know, it was like
• 33:52
  both of the panels that I've been on with Pearl or Pearls, you know,
• 34:00
  like in the Pearl endeavor, right producer Christine Pearl's producer, I think,
• 34:07
  yeah. But but the the the first panel I was on, like
• 34:12
  because I was on Pearls podcast with Paul Elam it was just me and him,
• 34:19
  And then I was on a panel with Pearl with four other people,
• 34:25
  David was one of them, and and that was like incredible, right,
• 34:32
  And then this one also incredible. So she's like actually collecting very smart people
• 34:42
  who have a range of mhm. Christine, I think in particular is yeah
• 34:51
  no, she was, yeah no, and she well and it's it's like
• 34:55
  that the whole idea of this is to get like a bunch of people who
• 35:00
  are sort of I think have overlapping views but not necessarily like identical knowledge,
• 35:10
  which is excellent. It's it's a beautiful freaking thing because like I've learned stuff
• 35:19
  from the last like from the panel I was on today with you and the
• 35:23
  one that I was on before a couple of weeks ago. So yeah,
• 35:29
  and there's me. I don't really I have much more of a I guess
• 35:34
  some overarching thing going on. Well I don't know whether you have an overarching
• 35:40
  thing other than like you you always have something to add. And that's one
• 35:52
  of the things that I really like about you is you always have something to
• 35:54
  add, something that maybe people didn't notice, people didn't think of, people
• 36:01
  didn't you know, express and something deeper for them to think about. And
• 36:08
  that that's actually like I said, you know, likes esoteric, but that
• 36:16
  that has an incredible amount of value. And yeah, no, so like
• 36:22
  you're the perfect person for a panel with other people who are very knowledgeable about
• 36:30
  their particular corner of these topics. But yeah, I just noticed actually because
• 36:39
  on the previous panels with Christine I pointed out some things about the loss of
• 36:46
  relationships. And I said, basically, well, they were talking about enforcementogamy.
• 36:51
  I think I told you about this, Karen, and I'll trying to
• 36:53
  be brief because I've already mentioned it on air. They were talking about she
• 36:58
  brought up the subject of enforcementogamy and they had a long discussion about that,
• 37:00
  and I said, well, why don't we, like, can we can
• 37:05
  we talk about something that's a little bit less severe than enforced monogamy, Like
• 37:09
  why don't we correct some of the issues that men face and divorce and also
• 37:15
  stop saying that masculinity is less than worthless and that relationships with men are terrible
• 37:22
  investments for women, you know, Like, why don't we stop that messaging
• 37:27
  and see if that improves anything? You know what I mean? Well,
• 37:31
  I think that she sort of she sort of took that to heart, and
• 37:36
  because today I don't know if it was me, it might have been other
• 37:38
  people too. She talked about feminism itself as something that needs to be challenged
• 37:46
  before we can even start recognizing men's issues. Yeah, you know that that's
• 37:52
  something that took me a long time to rea to really internalize, Like a
• 37:57
  long time with this stuff. You know, I would have come at me
• 38:00
  and say, oh, you're just an anti feminist. You're just saying these
• 38:04
  men's issues things because you just want to discredit feminism. Well, first of
• 38:08
  all, if recognizing men's issues discredits feminism, then in order to recognize and
• 38:14
  men's issues, we have to discredit feminism. Like you've just explained why you
• 38:20
  have to be non feminist and feminist critical and anti feminist in order to be
• 38:25
  a men's issues advocate. Like right there, I I just I just think
• 38:30
  that you have to Like I don't. I don't come at it from like
• 38:36
  the motivational thing where it's like, okay, so if I want to get
• 38:39
  this done, I have to oppose this other thing. No. For me,
• 38:45
  it's just like, is is this freaking collection of bullshit over here?
• 38:52
  Is it valid? No? Okay, we shouldn't be basing the entirety of
• 38:57
  our social organization on bull shit, right That's yeah, But it's it's like,
• 39:04
  so I'm not I'm I'm not necessarily like the outcome oriented uh like,
• 39:09
  yes, of course the bad outcomes there. There is some outcome orientation there,
• 39:15
  but more more for me for me, right, it's it's it's less
• 39:22
  pragmatic, and it's just more like, actually, you're lying, bitch,
• 39:30
  Like everything you're telling me is not true. And you know someone is wrong
• 39:37
  on the internet, and I can't go to bed until I've corrected them.
• 39:43
  Okay. Well, in my case, I came at this from a men's
• 39:45
  issues advocacy standpoint, and I struggled with Emmina saying, Oh, you're just
• 39:52
  an anti feminist, you don't really care about these issues. And it took
• 39:57
  me a long time to just be able to say, but feminism, the
• 40:01
  feminist framework is the strongest dismissal of men's issues out there. I mean,
• 40:07
  until we take away people's ability to dismiss the issues, they're not going to
• 40:12
  face them. Yeah. No. And and and also to realize that it
• 40:16
  was one projection, because that's what they do. They use women's issues to
• 40:22
  promote their particular ideological frame. They don't really care about them. That was
• 40:27
  a huge black pill for me, Like the moment I realized that feminists don't
• 40:31
  care about women. That was like, wow, why would they care about
• 40:37
  women? All they all they care about is their own narcissistic black hole.
• 40:44
  Well they care about is feminism, and thus women owe feminism nothing. Okay,
• 40:49
  So we were going to look at some hurle so that where so you're
• 40:54
  you've done to uh talks and they're going to be uploaded as videos right yeah,
• 41:01
  and they're gonna be on the Audacity Network. Yes, okay, I'm
• 41:07
  just gonna display that for people. So this is one of Pearl's channels.
• 41:12
  She's got I guess like three may I don't know, so you guys here
• 41:16
  main channel, and then there's one is like wife training or something. I
• 41:21
  don't know if it's like as popular, and then there's this The Audacity Network
• 41:23
  is brand new, no videos on it yet, but I guess that's where
• 41:30
  this content's gonna go. Yeah, I think so subs yet, huh subs.
• 41:37
  Yeah, it's already got like two point two three thousand, so like
• 41:42
  twenty three hundred or so twenty two hundred. Oh yeah, I mean for
• 41:45
  a channel with no content, Yeah, that's not bad. So yeah,
• 41:51
  I mean it'll probably it'll probably grow, I hope that Pearl promotes it,
• 41:54
  but I imagine she is turning her brand into a business, so she is
• 42:00
  going to try to, like, you know, send people there. So
• 42:05
  but I do have her channel up and I also have because you wanted to
• 42:10
  look at Chloi Roma. These two are are the reason why is because and
• 42:15
  I know we've talked about them before on this channel, but these are probably
• 42:22
  the two largest channels that have the most followers that discuss men's issues and do
• 42:30
  so kind of regularly right like they're constantly creating content. Is Roma Roma Yeah?
• 42:38
  Roma Army Army yeaha army. Chloe Roma was her channel name before,
• 42:46
  and Chloi Roma has one point six seven million subscribers. Pearl has one point
• 42:53
  one point eight four million subscribers. So Pearl's got about twenty thousand more.
• 43:00
  No, two hundred thousand more two nd yeah, two hundred thousand more subs.
• 43:07
  Missus Wu, can you go away? Just go lie down? Missus
• 43:10
  Wu? Yeah? My god, sorry, my dog, she's just like
• 43:16
  wandering around wooing. But but yeah, no Roma Roma Roma. Well,
• 43:28
  okay, Roma has disappointed me. Parola has yet to disappoint me. You
• 43:32
  have Yeah, No, I am disappointed, son I am disappointed. Yeah,
• 43:42
  I was actually thinking of like Godfather with Roma, but uh yeah no
• 43:49
  with Roma. She has disappointed me in the past. I have felt like
• 43:52
  she's surface level just riding a trend. Right, this is well, I
• 44:05
  mean crole, Roma has made her channel pretty big. I think. I
• 44:08
  think, like, if you are young and middlingly attractive, and I'm not
• 44:15
  insulting her, I'm just saying you don't have to be you have to be
• 44:19
  young, female and edgy tattoos, yeah, edgy tattoos, right, But
• 44:23
  I'm saying you can basically blow up making almost any kind of content if you
• 44:30
  the biggest advantage is being female. And if you're in the right space and
• 44:34
  you're doing it, it's like, you know, dude, guys are going
• 44:37
  to pay attention, like they just are. This is just a reality you
• 44:42
  know about Well, it's it's it's kind of like Christie or Misty you remember
• 44:46
  I remember her? Yeah, I'm still friends with your actually on Facebook.
• 44:50
  Yeah. No, she's and she's fine, She's she's great. Right,
• 44:53
  But she wasn't really saying anything new. She was she was all always just
• 45:00
  kind of you know. Her thing was when she first started out, which
• 45:07
  first had her channel, it was mostly polemics, right, and that very
• 45:13
  traditionalist right. And then you know, after she had to take a break
• 45:17
  for a while there, she came back and she had a little bit more
• 45:21
  nuance and a little bit more had put a little bit more thought into it,
• 45:24
  and she was a little more you know. But I think I think
• 45:30
  a lot of the reason why she got such a following was because she was
• 45:38
  attractive. She was a young attractive woman. Yeah. And yeah, and
• 45:44
  even if you look at Roland, right man woman myth oh yeah yeah,
• 45:52
  sure, yeah, No, he had really polished videos. He was very
• 45:55
  very good at constructing like a video in terms of production, post production,
• 46:01
  all of that stuff, right, and citing his sources and stuff. But
• 46:06
  a lot of his appeal was his voice and his accent mm hmm. You
• 46:12
  know, he was just very he sounded very British and very intellectual and very
• 46:19
  calm and very serene, and it was just very nice just because But like,
• 46:30
  what were the difference is because I don't think Roland grew up in the
• 46:36
  same way that he blew up in the Manisphere. He did, right,
• 46:45
  he was very popular in the manisphere, you know, And and then his
• 46:52
  channel disappeared, and and that's the story for another day. But can you
• 47:00
  guys stop, it's a man walking by with a baby stroller. Oh my
• 47:07
  god, I could be a goblin in that stroller, yes, or a
• 47:10
  zombie yeah, but but no, but they wouldn't be barking at that.
• 47:20
  They'd just be like trying to climb out the windows. Okay, what we
• 47:22
  were You want to get at the difference Pearl versus Roma, and what you
• 47:25
  think and well and and just like in terms of production value, in terms
• 47:30
  of you know, uh, sex appeal, Roma is better looking than Pearl.
• 47:36
  I'm sorry, she is, right, she just is. No,
• 47:42
  no, no, she is. I believe a lot of people seem to
• 47:45
  like Roma. I don't get it. I'm not saying I'm not saying that
• 47:52
  Roma is smarter or better than Pearl. I'm just saying she's more physically attractive
• 47:58
  than Pearl. Right, yeah, Okay, that's just the way it is.
• 48:05
  And that means that Roma has an edge where she doesn't have to perform
• 48:12
  in the other areas, in the other corners of the arena here, right,
• 48:17
  Pearl actually has to keep it fucking real and she has to be on
• 48:22
  top of her game. And she has to be able to fucking dunk,
• 48:25
  and you know, and she doesn't have the excuse that you know, oh
• 48:30
  good fundamentals, you know that makes up for my inability to dunk. Yeah
• 48:37
  right, well, yes, I was gonna say what my thoughts are because
• 48:43
  there is a different like man woman myth blew up in the Manisphere, and
• 48:45
  I will always I loved his videos. I was addicted to them. I
• 48:49
  would watch them multiple times to like until it all sunk in, you know,
• 48:52
  till I got every little thing that he was putting out there, all
• 48:57
  those little nuggets of wisdom, and yeah, he blew up in the Manus
• 49:00
  and and and the sort of red pill men's right space. But the thing
• 49:04
  is is that uh Roma and Pearl have millions of subscribers right like, at
• 49:10
  least like almost they're coming up on two million subs. That's more than Manisphere.
• 49:15
  And I think the reason this is what Alison asked me, because you
• 49:19
  know, Allison doesn't watch anybody's content, so I have to tell her what's
• 49:22
  in the in the video, you know, what's in the what's in the
• 49:25
  food before she tastes it. So no, I know, I know,
• 49:30
  I'm just I'm just telling people this is the reality. Allison doesn't. Alison
• 49:37
  is very isolationist. Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't consume content. So
• 49:42
  if you say, have you seen this, she probably has not. But
• 49:46
  as long is it textual, yeah, it's got to be written down.
• 49:51
  So anyway, she asked me what it like, you know, because we're
• 49:53
  looking at two massive channels. He's like the biggest I think they were probably
• 49:59
  the biggest men's rights channels, or at least kind of you know, Roma
• 50:01
  would call herself a men's rights activist. She's always talking about it, and
• 50:06
  I think Pearl knows, you know, she's in that in that space and
• 50:09
  doesn't really have to like declare it. Well, no, I just look,
• 50:15
  this is this is the issue, because you ask me what the difference
• 50:19
  is, and I think there are people who there are people who will tell
• 50:22
  you that, we'll say I care about men's rights, and then there are
• 50:27
  people who will actually have that tested or like I don't even want to say
• 50:31
  care because it's not so much, you know, like but I mean,
• 50:35
  I'm concerned with justice and I want to see it done. Like there are
• 50:37
  people who will say it, and then there are people who will actually like
• 50:42
  demonstrate it when it's tested. So are you going to put your dick in
• 50:46
  the fucking guillotine here? Yeah? Yeah? Or or I feel like I
• 50:51
  feel like that that's that relevant to my interests. But go on, well,
• 50:55
  what I'm the dick and the guillotine. No, I mean like when
• 51:00
  you when you're when you're sticking up. Okay, Okay. What what I'm
• 51:07
  saying is is that there are people who will call themselves m ras or that
• 51:12
  they care about men's issues or whatever it is, and they will have a
• 51:15
  line. And I've said that I was talking about this before. There's a
• 51:19
  line that if you cross it then they're gonna walk away from that, okay.
• 51:23
  And I said that the thing is with Pearl is that you can tell
• 51:30
  which which one I think is better. I like Pearl more. And the
• 51:32
  reason is because from the start Pearl has talked with people who have been who
• 51:38
  have been very disagreeable with her, who have been hostile to her. If
• 51:44
  she has brought on and spoken to live, she has risked her reputation,
• 51:49
  she has risked aggression. She's even had to, like, you know,
• 51:53
  call the cops on people and stuff. And it's not because she wanted to
• 51:57
  turn her show into Jerry Springer. I think it was gently because she thought,
• 52:00
  I'm gonna sit down and talk to these people, and he brought She
• 52:04
  brought a lot of normal women on and men on, and some people who
• 52:07
  were kind of you know, let's say, you know, academically, uh
• 52:14
  like academic feminists and stuff, to challenge them on their ideas. So she'll
• 52:17
  do that. She'll face these people, okay, head on, and if
• 52:21
  she comes across red pill rage, which she has, she handles it,
• 52:25
  okay. So I'm actually never seeing her like, you know, lose her
• 52:30
  mind or storm off or blow her top or anything. I've never seen it.
• 52:34
  And I think that that is the Pearl's stoicism is admirable and it's one
• 52:38
  of the and I love the fact that she talks to people like Janis Viamngo,
• 52:44
  like Karen, like Paul. She's spoken to those people, and of
• 52:49
  course she takes she started. I think it was Kevin Samuels that got her
• 52:52
  started. Yeah, but but she's moved like beyond from that, and now
• 52:58
  she's like solidly in the men's right space, and she's challenging people like the
• 53:02
  Daily Wire, but she's not doing it simply because she hates conservatives. She's
• 53:07
  challenging their positions. So, and this is very important to me. Yeah,
• 53:14
  conservatives, improve yourselves, please. Yeah, you're getting these things wrong.
• 53:19
  Okay. So I do find it sort of obnoxious that Roma went into
• 53:23
  the men's issue space and doesn't seem to talk to people. No, well,
• 53:30
  she does. But the difference is Pearl will go on someone else's place.
• 53:36
  She's been on Piers Morgan, she's been on I think she's spoken on
• 53:40
  Freshet Fit or one of these others. You know, she had Andrew Tat
• 53:45
  on. She doesn't have a problem getting people on that. Maybe people she
• 53:49
  doesn't agree with, maybe people who aren't like, you know, the most
• 53:52
  like say, you know, knowledgeable on this stuff. But she does seek
• 53:55
  out I think she's seeking out the best, right. That's why she got
• 54:00
  Janice and you and Karen and Paul on, because she's seeking the people that
• 54:07
  are doing the best work. And I think that means to me because she's
• 54:10
  not that concerned with how that reflects on her. I mean, she had
• 54:15
  Nick Fuentes on for Christ's sake, you know, yeah, no, if
• 54:20
  you're no, no, like okay, I had Chris Cantwell, Well,
• 54:22
  yeah, I know you had you spoke to Chris. I did a one
• 54:27
  hour interview with Chris Cantwell. It's still on my channel. I did a
• 54:31
  one hour interview with Rush Vi. It's still on my channel. Right.
• 54:36
  I will talk to anybody. And there's a reason why they talk to me,
• 54:42
  yes, right, And it's because I'm willing to hear them out and
• 54:45
  I'm willing to have an actual discussion, right. And and you know,
• 54:51
  there, even though Chris Cantwell is like eighteen ways from crazy, okay,
• 55:00
  there are things he gets right. Even though Nick Nick Fuentes is like an
• 55:07
  unpalatable human being with some very unpleasant opinions, there are things he gets right.
• 55:16
  That's just how it goes. And if you're too scared to talk to
• 55:22
  somebody like that, and you know, like honestly, if if you're a
• 55:28
  person who's trying to get into like I don't know the relationship between men and
• 55:34
  women kind of you know space, you know, on social media, and
• 55:39
  you can't talk with Kevin Samuels, right, well, you can't if you
• 55:47
  can't talk with that guy, right, if you can't find common ground with
• 55:52
  him and laugh at some of the same jokes. Right then then you don't
• 55:59
  belong in that space. You just don't. Yeah, So that for me
• 56:05
  is like the main difference. So chloi Roma only only appears on streams with
• 56:10
  other people. If she's the host, she has complete control, and she
• 56:15
  has a line. She will call people in her you know, audience misogynist
• 56:21
  if she doesn't like what they're saying. She still she still like you know,
• 56:25
  throws the m word misogyny around if it suits her, and you know,
• 56:31
  she does draw a line like there are certain kinds of men that she
• 56:35
  doesn't think are good, like you know, like so you know, like,
• 56:39
  well, there are certain kinds of men that aren't good. Yes,
• 56:43
  yes, but but not because they've done something that you know what I mean
• 56:46
  of male behaviors that aren't good. I think, yeah, well, certain
• 56:52
  types of behaviors that men do that aren't good. Well, that some men
• 56:55
  do that aren't good, and those men that do them sometimes just keep doing
• 57:00
  them. And so you know, like if you just keep doing the same
• 57:02
  bad behavior over and over again, then you know, like you can graduate
• 57:07
  to the to the well I'll give an example. I can give an example.
• 57:15
  I have two examples because I had a guest on the Tin Men Uh.
• 57:21
  He is a friend of Roma's and Romans recommended him, and so I
• 57:24
  reached out to him and he came on my show and talked to me.
• 57:29
  So, first of all, I'll give a directly, a direct example of
• 57:31
  Roma herself. She flipped out at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. She thought she
• 57:38
  believed everything the media told her about him. Oh, Jesus, Kyle Rittenhouse
• 57:44
  is a man. Okay, let me figure out. He's a man.
• 57:46
  But he's the wrong kind of man. This is the problem with her.
• 57:51
  Now. When I spoke to tin Men, it's the same thing we talked
• 57:54
  about. It was in the after show and we talked about yrek Chauvin.
• 58:00
  Is it Derek Chauvin and Jef Floyd okay, and he said that basically,
• 58:06
  he said, you know, Derek Chauvin's a murderer and all that, and
• 58:09
  I said, well, here's all the data, and he didn't care.
• 58:12
  And I was like, but Derek Chauvin is a man. Like. The
• 58:15
  thing is is that when you have this the problem with Roma and those people
• 58:22
  is that they have a They're still viewing men's issues with an intersectional frame.
• 58:29
  They're applying intersectionality so that means some men are going to be more deserving than
• 58:34
  others. So looking at like going back to what Allison was talking about during
• 58:37
  the Cologne thing, when there were all these allegations of Muslim men raping women,
• 58:43
  you see that mentality means that those men don't deserve to be defended because
• 58:49
  they're the wrong kind of men. And my belief is, which is the
• 58:52
  reason why I defend I defended Derek Chauvin and Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein and
• 59:00
  Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson, et cetera, is because they're all men.
• 59:06
  And at the very least, I'm not I'm not giving a pass to anything,
• 59:08
  you know, but I'm like, well, let's see, like make
• 59:13
  sure they have a fair trial so we know, because if it is bad
• 59:15
  behavior, then there should be punishment based on bad behavior, not based on
• 59:21
  Oh he's a scientologist. Oh he's a right winger. Oh he's a you
• 59:24
  know, Muslim. Whatever it is, those things, whatever it is,
• 59:29
  it's it's male. Yeah, and whatever it is again, yes, and
• 59:32
  whatever it is, it's male when you boil it all the way down.
• 59:36
  So that that's my that's the thing I think that where Roma's weakness is at
• 59:40
  is that, yeah, she doesn't and she doesn't handle red pill rage like
• 59:47
  she can't like she'll just ban people and all that. So it's like she's
• 59:52
  still big. And I think some of it might have to do with the
• 59:53
  fact that she has like a Patreon like not safe for work, like membership
• 59:59
  of like thirty bi uh, which again not Pearls not doing that. So
• 1:00:04
  I think her keeping her pearls not doing like a Brian of Tarth cause play
• 1:00:14
  you know, naked in a hot tub. Yeah, so that's another story,
• 1:00:21
  that's yea and yeah, and and Pearl just her physicality right even like
• 1:00:32
  uh, just just the the ginger hair, the freckles, the height,
• 1:00:40
  the musculature, right, all of it. She could have actually been Brionn
• 1:00:45
  of Tarth stumped double absolutely. And And when I saw that scene where Brionn
• 1:00:52
  of Tarth steps down naked into the hot tub right with the king, I
• 1:01:00
  was just like, yeah, I don't know, that was pretty nice too.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah. And I think the other thing too is that this isn't.
• 1:01:08
  Another advantage Pearl has is that frankly, she goes a lot deeper. Again,
• 1:01:14
  this goes back to like why she's talking with people like you guys.
• 1:01:17
  Roma won't do that, and I think it's because she she considers her Roma
• 1:01:22
  thinks of her audience as like her pets. Right, It's like this,
• 1:01:27
  she continued, refers to it as this men's rights community. Like that's how
• 1:01:31
  she refers to the people who watch her content, the men's rights community.
• 1:01:37
  It kind of reminds me of Rollo, how he invented it. You know,
• 1:01:40
  you guys know, Rolo invented all of this stuff, right, Like
• 1:01:44
  we're basically we're basically living in a simulation that he made. We're not even
• 1:01:49
  real guys, We're a product of Rollo's imagination. So you know, it's
• 1:01:52
  it's kind of like that, you know, yeah, yeah, no,
• 1:01:57
  I I just like this. This is one of the reasons why, you
• 1:02:01
  know, like I had such a hard time deciding to monetize my channel.
• 1:02:06
  You know, like it took me about six months of thinking about it,
• 1:02:09
  you know, from when people suggested that I turn on ads on my channel
• 1:02:15
  and when I decided to do it, and that was just turning on ads.
• 1:02:20
  It wasn't like putting a PayPal tip jar anywhere or anything. And then
• 1:02:25
  I put up a PayPal tip jar and and it's like I don't promote any
• 1:02:29
  of that. I don't promote the ways that you can pay me, and
• 1:02:35
  I don't. I've never been you know, like subscribe, share, you
• 1:02:44
  know, blah blah blah, leave a comment, you know, feed feed
• 1:02:47
  the algorithm. I've never done that. And and it's it's because I I
• 1:02:52
  just well for myself for myself, right, And part of it is because
• 1:03:02
  I don't rely on it for my bread and butter and the roof over my
• 1:03:08
  head for myself. I yeah, but if I felt like I had to
• 1:03:17
  cater to an audience, right, if I was just like, oh,
• 1:03:22
  but if I say this slightly different thing that I don't quite believe, I
• 1:03:28
  could pull in one hundred thousand more subscribers. I don't want to do that.
• 1:03:34
  And it's like, you know, I think you are somebody who does.
• 1:03:38
  I don't know if it would monetize the content, but you know,
• 1:03:43
  does get a living off of it? Does me? And we can still
• 1:03:45
  be like, you know, I'm not going to take money from anybody who
• 1:03:49
  says I have to say something in any way. Yeah, I've said that
• 1:03:53
  to to somebody every time someone dangles money and says but you know you could.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah, why do you say this? I say off, and I
• 1:04:04
  say it because I want to say it. And this is what I this
• 1:04:08
  is the truth. You can if you don't like what I have to say,
• 1:04:13
  there's no need for you to pay it. Although, strangely enough,
• 1:04:15
  I have had some very interesting arguments in which we've gone back and forth,
• 1:04:20
  and at the end the guys said, you know what, we I disagree
• 1:04:25
  with you, but I'm going to support you. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:04:29
  still pay, not even I'll start paying because I disagree with you. I'm
• 1:04:34
  like, all right, that's okay, as long as you don't come back
• 1:04:38
  and say, hey, I've paid now now you have to agree with me.
• 1:04:42
  So I mean, if you're taking a wage from this, you don't
• 1:04:46
  have to compromise your integrity. That is what I'm getting it. I don't
• 1:04:49
  think me are but integrity. Yeah. No, but there's how many subscribers
• 1:04:56
  does HBr that that is true? But Pearls compromised her integrity? No,
• 1:05:03
  you know, I think she's I think she's built something. I think she
• 1:05:09
  has an incredible amount of drive and she has an incredible spine. Yeah,
• 1:05:15
  and an ability to talk to her Well, I think Also, I think
• 1:05:20
  one of the big things is she talks to people on the street, she
• 1:05:25
  has guests over, they do panel discussions, it turns into arguments. She's
• 1:05:30
  got like a team, she's constantly you know, creating content. I mean,
• 1:05:34
  that's that's how I think she did it. I mean, honestly,
• 1:05:38
  I think that's it. Like especially the because what when I first got into
• 1:05:43
  Pearl was Lindsay that got into Pearl first, And it was because she was
• 1:05:47
  watching these like, you know, three hour streams and you know the occasionally
• 1:05:53
  somebody gets fiery. It's like the whatever podcast. It's the same thing that's
• 1:05:57
  growing really fast too, right, It's the same thing. It's like watching
• 1:06:00
  people that are just getting together discussing these things. And and sometimes it gets
• 1:06:05
  dramatic. Fights break out, I mean not physical ones, but you know,
• 1:06:09
  verbal sparring, and and it's it's not like it's not really highbrow stuff.
• 1:06:15
  I mean, like generally it's not. It's kind of like normy Norman
• 1:06:18
  level. And that's why it attracts a lot of people too, because the
• 1:06:21
  normies are they you know, they can relate to this. Yeah, that's
• 1:06:26
  what I think. Yeah, No, And and I think but like Pearl
• 1:06:30
  just seems to be opened. She seems to have a certain amount of humility.
• 1:06:38
  Oh yeah, definitely, like like Pearl's been humbled. I mean she
• 1:06:43
  told the story of like a guy she was dating. It was like people
• 1:06:47
  thought they were exposing her, you know, as like a pickny or something,
• 1:06:50
  but she was very honest about it. Like she was dating before she
• 1:06:54
  started doing this, She was dating some guy and she thought it was going
• 1:06:58
  to go somewhere. And I think, like they broke up. I forgot
• 1:07:01
  who initiated it, and that the very next woman that this guy got with
• 1:07:05
  he married. And yeah, you know what I'm saying. And I think
• 1:07:10
  Pearl had to take a look in the mirror because she was probably doing something
• 1:07:15
  to push him away, and she had to ask herself what it is because
• 1:07:18
  you know, this this man figured it out, and yeah she was.
• 1:07:23
  He wasn't exactly a you know, six six sixty six guy. So yeah,
• 1:07:28
  no, she went on. She went on the same journey I did.
• 1:07:30
  Like, Okay, so I'm like going through all this dating right and
• 1:07:39
  trying to find a partner after I separated from my husband, and it was
• 1:07:42
  just like not going well and and it was it was just like they would.
• 1:07:48
  They would fall head over heels, and then two weeks later they'd be
• 1:07:53
  like, I'm just not feeling it anymore. I'm sorry, goodbye. Yeah,
• 1:07:57
  And you know, and I think it was John. The others said
• 1:08:00
  that was the moment that they discovered they were dating a gay man and a
• 1:08:04
  woman's body. What I'm just too I'm just too masculine for a lot of
• 1:08:15
  a lot of men, right, And so I had to actually start.
• 1:08:21
  I just I didn't decide I was going to change myself. I just looked
• 1:08:26
  for a man who was much more masculine than me, and I found one.
• 1:08:31
  Like, I mean, I don't know how much masculinity is that much
• 1:08:35
  of a deficit, really, Oh, it's not a deficit when it comes
• 1:08:40
  to like paying the bills and like keeping the house running and stuff like that.
• 1:08:45
  It is a deficit if a man wants to feel needed and necessary and
• 1:08:50
  depended on and relied on and secure in his relationship, because she wouldn't be
• 1:08:57
  able to to she wouldn't be able to have the kind of life she has
• 1:09:03
  now without me, you know. And that men have uh an urge to
• 1:09:11
  feel that way. They want to feel like their wives need them and yeah,
• 1:09:17
  and so you know, it's it's like, you have to actually find
• 1:09:25
  a man who either doesn't need that, if you're one of these, if
• 1:09:29
  you're want if you're a woman who's like, yeah, no I don't need
• 1:09:31
  I don't actually need a man, you have to find a man who is
• 1:09:38
  okay with that, which is very rare, or you have to find some
• 1:09:44
  middle ground where you're just like, Okay, well now you do this and
• 1:09:48
  this is your sphere and this is the sphere that I don't touch. And
• 1:09:54
  you know, I you know, you earn the money and you know,
• 1:09:59
  and it's not going to be you know, you earn the money, but
• 1:10:02
  I could earn just as much money as you. No, no, no,
• 1:10:06
  don't do that. Don't play that game. Don't play that game with
• 1:10:11
  any man because you're just going to make him not want to be with you.
• 1:10:16
  But do you think that, Honestly, when I get one honest panel,
• 1:10:19
  I talked a lot about how we have these people who think that they
• 1:10:25
  have somehow overcome their their instincts. No, no, not at all because
• 1:10:31
  the fact because when you talk about that, that sounds like feminism making men
• 1:10:36
  feel like women need them. Wellically, despite the talk of empowerment and feminism
• 1:10:43
  being about women need no man. Ultimately, it is absolute helplessness because feminism
• 1:10:48
  teaches women to reduce themselves down to men's actions in every conceivable circumstance. Sure,
• 1:10:55
  but they don't actually say that women, you actually need men. No,
• 1:11:00
  they basically say, women, you are the product of what men will
• 1:11:05
  allow you to be. And don't you hate that? And isn't that unfair?
• 1:11:12
  Right? No, that is not how women should look at it.
• 1:11:16
  Women should look at it like, Okay, how would appeal to male psychopaths?
• 1:11:20
  Though, yes, it would appeal to male psychopaths, and I'm sure
• 1:11:25
  it has. But but you know, like like Barack Obama, you know,
• 1:11:30
  the women can do anything a man can do, and do it better
• 1:11:33
  and do it and heals right because you know, he gets he gets all
• 1:11:40
  of the applause and gets the power, and gets the money and gets the
• 1:11:44
  you know, the Martha's Vineyard waterfront freaking estate, right because he pandered to
• 1:11:53
  a bunch of freaking middle aged women like Lily Ledbetter. Okay, so now
• 1:11:59
  that that out of the way, and and he screwed other men, he
• 1:12:03
  threw them all under the bus over that. But yeah, no, he's
• 1:12:10
  he's every woman's hero. But he's still sleeping with Michael, I mean Michelle.
• 1:12:16
  Yeah, yeah, no, and uh and she's got bigger biceps than
• 1:12:21
  he does. So but I'm I'm looking at it, and I'm what,
• 1:12:30
  Okay, was that Petty? Was that Petty Cross Cross Cross Racial Brionna Tarth
• 1:12:35
  cosplay? Yeah, but okay, but what I'm saying is what I'm saying
• 1:12:44
  is he wants the muscle. The psychopaths, Okay, the male psychopaths are
• 1:12:53
  attracted to weak women. The female psychopaths are attracted to weak men. Right,
• 1:12:59
  this is is clear. Of course they would be right if you're if
• 1:13:03
  you're a woman and you're slightly masculine, you know, you're a little bit
• 1:13:09
  on the masculine side. What you want is a man who has slightly higher
• 1:13:15
  masculine tendencies than you, so that he can still feel like he's not that
• 1:13:21
  he's on top or that he's in charge, but that he's the most manly
• 1:13:29
  man in the room, I guess, right, And yeah, that he's
• 1:13:35
  necessary to you, yes, right. And it's just like, how hard
• 1:13:41
  is it for a woman to just admit that I need you, I need
• 1:13:47
  you? And and that's all men want to hear. That's all men as
• 1:13:54
  a group want to hear. We need you and we appreciate you provide what
• 1:14:00
  we need. Right, that's the whole every single level of society, from
• 1:14:06
  like you know, government, to like commerce, to corporations to like manufacturing,
• 1:14:15
  to blue collar work to white collar work, to husbands and fathers.
• 1:14:19
  You're needed and we appreciate what you do. Yes, that's all they want
• 1:14:28
  to hear. And they don't want to have a wife, right, Who's
• 1:14:32
  just like, yeah, no, I could be just fine without you.
• 1:14:35
  Yeah, I got some I got some super childs. I should I should
• 1:14:40
  read I should read the super child's we got some super childs? So hold
• 1:14:45
  on, where's my where are Uh? That's weird? Oh, oh here
• 1:14:51
  we are. Yeah, I got it all right. So I got one
• 1:14:56
  from Zapier for ten dollars and he's oh, that's anonymous. That's right.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah, it's an anonymous person. I apologize, I got that wrong.
• 1:15:04
  Uh, And they give us ten bucks and says, have you guys covered
• 1:15:08
  the topic of people trying to teach behaviors without knowing how to read expression.
• 1:15:13
  I think it feels topically used in world of lost links. I mean,
• 1:15:19
  I read that exactly as it's written, so I would leave it to you
• 1:15:23
  to attempt to translate that. Yeah, unpack that. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:15:31
  I think I know what he's talking about. He's talking about, for example,
• 1:15:34
  pickup artists who might treat or teach a set of behaviors to approach women,
• 1:15:40
  but they don't teach the men how to actually read the expressions of those
• 1:15:45
  women. Ah, that's very difficult to teach, I think. I think
• 1:15:49
  for a lot of people who have social anxiety, this is something that I
• 1:15:53
  learned. It is actually not uncommon for people with social anxiety to pick up
• 1:16:00
  up on cues that other people don't. And some of the anxiety is,
• 1:16:05
  of course, information overload and not knowing how to respond appropriately. Uh Like,
• 1:16:15
  So you'll pick up on cues that are like you you have greater insight,
• 1:16:26
  but you know, okay, if I talk about that, that that
• 1:16:28
  will be rude, or if you do talk about it, if you do
• 1:16:30
  pick up on the cue, then people regard you as being weird. You
• 1:16:35
  know, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that's the hard
• 1:16:39
  thing to teach. Yeah. No, My my husband's always telling me that
• 1:16:45
  I I need more social anxiety oh, I don't know about that. Yeah,
• 1:16:56
  he understand why, he says that. Yeah. No, He's like,
• 1:17:00
  do you not realize how your sister just like completely dissed you? And
• 1:17:05
  I'm like, yeah, I just don't care. Mm hmm. Yeah,
• 1:17:12
  So I got another super chow. It doesn't make me feel bad. Richard
• 1:17:17
  beerre gives us five dollars and says, remember the steaming dump that Roma took
• 1:17:25
  against Kyle Rittenhouse Pepperig Farm remembers. Currently, Roma is engaged in a flame
• 1:17:30
  war against someone who led to the demise of the inquisitor, the infantilies.
• 1:17:35
  The infantilization Actually, you know, good for Roma, because the people who
• 1:17:41
  led to the demise of the inquisitor deserve to get their asses beat metaphorically.
• 1:17:47
  Sure, I'll let me finish the reading of this, but the infantilization for
• 1:17:53
  the trans community, for liberal women's purse puppies is going to have a hell
• 1:17:57
  of a rug pull when the trend shifts to the next as how, many
• 1:18:00
  are under a medical protocol and will all of a sudden wind up with little
• 1:18:04
  to no social support, which is what drew many of these people into this
• 1:18:08
  lifestyle. Roma no longer has the nude content on her Patreon anymore. He's
• 1:18:13
  also fighting with a woman who threatened to accuse her husband of nons conduct over
• 1:18:17
  the Wi Fi password. All right, well, thank you for that,
• 1:18:23
  but I want to do the one with the social support. Okay. This
• 1:18:27
  may be a completely ignorant take on the situation in the Middle East versus the
• 1:18:30
  Ukraine, but what I've noticed is I think basically the US has decided that
• 1:18:35
  the Ukraine is no longer the big priority, and so the what did they
• 1:18:43
  do? They encouraged the Ukrainians to fight back against a power that I mean
• 1:18:51
  they could have. I know that it's not the way you want to negotiate,
• 1:18:57
  and I know it's really unfair that the Russians invade and forced this situation.
• 1:19:01
  I'm not going to talk about the politics prior to this, but what
• 1:19:04
  looks like to me has happened is America supplied them with arms, let a
• 1:19:11
  whole bunch of Ukrainian men die, and then in the end just was like,
• 1:19:15
  yeah, well, I guess you got to negotiate with Russian now because
• 1:19:16
  we're leaving by we're going to Middle East. Oh no, no, it's
• 1:19:21
  not it's not. Uh, now you have to negotiate with the Russians.
• 1:19:29
  They were negotiating with the Russian There was the Minska Cord, right, which
• 1:19:34
  was is no okay but okay. Yes. There was the Minska Cord,
• 1:19:41
  which was the existing treaty between Russia and Ukraine, right, and one of
• 1:19:45
  its major provisions was that Ukraine would not join NATO. And what did NATO
• 1:19:50
  do. It was like, hey, Ukraine, no, I don't want
• 1:19:55
  it, like look in my underpants and and join NATO. Okay. So
• 1:20:01
  there was that treaty, and then a month after the invasion started, everybody
• 1:20:08
  sat down and tried to negotiate a piece. And the US and Britain and
• 1:20:14
  NATO went in and said, yeah, if you if you negotiate a piece
• 1:20:17
  with Russia. Yeah, no, you're not. There's no guaranteed security.
• 1:20:21
  We're not going to protect you. You're on your own, right, You're
• 1:20:25
  an isolated island, you know, uh, okay, but right next to
• 1:20:30
  Russia. Okay. And then they and then they blew through a second proposed
• 1:20:34
  treaty, right, the US and NATO blew that up. And now they're
• 1:20:42
  saying, oh, you're gonna have to negotiate a piece. It's it's like
• 1:20:45
  every time I hear Nikki. Every time I hear Nikki Haley speak, okay
• 1:20:51
  about this, all I hear is, isn't it great? With just a
• 1:21:00
  little money, we can defeat Putin and not a single American has to die?
• 1:21:10
  How you as well, We just have to keep throwing bowhunks into the
• 1:21:15
  meat grinder, how many, as many as we have to, as many
• 1:21:24
  as we have to, for as long as it takes. This is what's
• 1:21:29
  so infuriated. I don't know this. We might end up getting like fucking
• 1:21:31
  hit by beuty. Okay, I'm a Ukrainian, I'm the Ukrainian. I'm
• 1:21:36
  allowed to use the term bowhunk. Okay, let me just put the This
• 1:21:42
  is exactly what you're talking about, all right, We're you're gonna fight until
• 1:21:46
  the US just decides that it's on on some other topic now and it just
• 1:21:51
  it just throws. It's a former alley out to dry, you know,
• 1:21:56
  a couple hundred thousand men, uh because of this dead man walk away,
• 1:22:03
  just walk the fuck away. And when I remember getting into these arguments at
• 1:22:09
  the beginning, and I couldn't articulate what was really fucking vexing me about this?
• 1:22:15
  And I can finally articulate it because it happened. The US gave all
• 1:22:20
  this support and in the final they knew, they knew it was unwinnable,
• 1:22:29
  they knew it was winnable. Final, they walked away, and they just
• 1:22:34
  what was the point of that? What was gained from it? Yeah?
• 1:22:40
  I'm not on the Russian side. I'm not saying what they did was right.
• 1:22:44
  But if the if the alternative was peace two years ago and the men
• 1:22:51
  who have died alive versus peace, now we know, suing the Russians for
• 1:22:58
  peace, now, why why is the Why wasn't it preferable to do it?
• 1:23:03
  Then? Yeah? No, What what I found interesting is like you
• 1:23:08
  have Nikki Haley like banging these She's beating the drums of war, right ooh,
• 1:23:14
  you know, there's still like at least five million Ukrainian men who can
• 1:23:19
  be sacrificed to the meat grinder for America's foreign policy right to see, if
• 1:23:28
  we can't make Putin less popular in Russia, even though Putin is like twice
• 1:23:33
  as popular in Russia as Biden is in the United States. So like,
• 1:23:38
  let's not pretend here, okay, And you know, and Zelensky is even
• 1:23:45
  more popular than Putin is. Zelensky is more popular among Ukrainians than Putin is
• 1:23:48
  among Russians. But right, they're both more than twice as popular as Biden
• 1:23:55
  is. Okay. So we have that she's beating the drums of war,
• 1:24:00
  and there's Trump saying, you know what, I'd have this settled within a
• 1:24:03
  day, within twenty four hours, I'd have a peace negotiated. And you
• 1:24:09
  have the mainstream media saying, well, what are you suggesting, what are
• 1:24:14
  you suggesting we do? Right? We should just give in, we should
• 1:24:17
  just give up. He says, I just want the dying to stop.
• 1:24:21
  I want people to stop dying, okay, And that that is the thing,
• 1:24:30
  that is the statement that everybody is taking issue with. I just want
• 1:24:35
  people to stop dying, okay. But my overall point was, yes,
• 1:24:43
  okay. Compared to the situation where the US gets involved in something, then
• 1:24:47
  walks out after having allowed however many people to die, and then just walks
• 1:24:55
  out into its next new, bright, shiny conflict, this is exactly what's
• 1:25:00
  happening with the liberal women and their purse puppies, and it's gonna be bad
• 1:25:04
  for the trans women because you're absolutely right, they're going through something that's completely
• 1:25:10
  physically just you know, it's difficult. Any surgery is difficult, Like going
• 1:25:15
  through hormonal therapy is difficult. They're being set on a path that is emotionally
• 1:25:20
  and physically and psychologically exhausting. And then you know, whenever the liberal liberal
• 1:25:29
  women or the left women are like, yeah, I think this purse puppy
• 1:25:32
  looks a little long in the tooth and then throws it out off a cliff,
• 1:25:36
  all of these trans women and trans men are going to be left and
• 1:25:40
  the entirety of this social thing is going to have dissolved out from under them.
• 1:25:45
  Like they aren't gonna have the same support. Yeah, they're gonna be
• 1:25:48
  left with shattered lives and no social support because the liberal women have decided on
• 1:25:54
  a new purse puppy that they're going to champion. Yeah, it's actually pretty
• 1:26:00
  gross. This is this entire is is it is? It is not.
• 1:26:05
  It is anti human. It's like I was saying, the Black lives matter.
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, apparently George Floyd's life only mattered when he got shot. Yeah,
• 1:26:18
  he didn't get shot, he did attack. Yeah, I don't want
• 1:26:24
  to get into that. He died in police custody, and I'll put it
• 1:26:27
  that way. But before that, his life didn't matter to them. I
• 1:26:31
  had no interest in it. Losing custody of his kids, being raised childless,
• 1:26:35
  fatherless, being part of a drug culture, probably medicating his own mental
• 1:26:42
  health issues, not caring about his health, like the fact that he had
• 1:26:45
  multiple forms of heart disease. All of that is a death of despair.
• 1:26:50
  Well before you know the cops. Yeah, well before that, why where
• 1:27:00
  were you then? Where are you talking about the issues that men like George
• 1:27:03
  Floyd fased then before he died? Yeah, And it's like, none of
• 1:27:10
  this is this is compassion for people. None of this is true care for
• 1:27:14
  human beings. It's all just turning groups of people into chess pieces in your
• 1:27:19
  game and your virtue virtue games. And it's disgusting. It is. Okay,
• 1:27:28
  okay, I'm done with it. I think I think that's all the
• 1:27:30
  super chows. That took a little while, and let me see, I'm
• 1:27:34
  just gonna put done there. Send us another one if you want to,
• 1:27:38
  you know, say anything else? Uh? What else? So what do
• 1:27:44
  you guys want to do now? You want to watch some I don't know,
• 1:27:48
  I don't know if that's necessary, Like, yeah, we kind of
• 1:27:51
  we kind of went into it pretty deep. But you know what, let's
• 1:27:55
  pick one from each channel and I'll let you guys pick it and we'll watch
• 1:27:59
  it and you know, get a sense. But I think we we do
• 1:28:01
  get like you know, I think the main point I wanted to do was
• 1:28:05
  talk about your your panel discussion, because I'm looking forward to it when it
• 1:28:11
  comes out. I actually Rachel Wilson you mentioned I'm in talk. She was
• 1:28:15
  supposed to come on for a five sight chat in October, but she got
• 1:28:18
  sick, so I don't know if she's doing better now. She said that
• 1:28:21
  she had to push all of her appointments back to November, so I guess
• 1:28:26
  she's going to come on our show in November. I've read I've been reading
• 1:28:30
  her book, A Cult Feminism. I literally like on the at the tail
• 1:28:33
  end of the last chapter. So it's almost done. Very interesting book.
• 1:28:41
  I would definitely check it out. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to
• 1:28:45
  buy it. I'm also going to buy David Baker's book as well. Yeah,
• 1:28:49
  so I'm almost done with the book, and I think that she has
• 1:28:53
  done a lot of really good research on this. Actually, I was talking
• 1:28:56
  to Teal Deer because I do a gaming stream in the mornings when I can.
• 1:29:00
  Guys will follow me at a Honey Badger arcade if you want to check
• 1:29:02
  it out. And Tilda always comes on and like you know, talks to
• 1:29:05
  me in the in the live chat. And he's been working on a series
• 1:29:11
  of h He's been a ton of research and we've had him on a couple
• 1:29:14
  of times to talk about his like he's linking or showing the links between feminism
• 1:29:19
  and the occult as a religion, like like the spiritual room. Yeah,
• 1:29:26
  the theosophy of feminism, Diana Davison, she was the first person that introduced
• 1:29:33
  me to the term theosophy. Yea, and yeah, no she she discussed
• 1:29:40
  it, you know, like the cult, like the the paganistic roots of
• 1:29:48
  feminism, right, mother goddess, Yeah for sure, for sure. Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  And child sacrifice, well that's that' like according to Yeah, no,
• 1:30:01
  it's like yeah, in you know in eight freaking Europe, they were sacrificing
• 1:30:09
  live babies. Now they just sacrifice embryos and fetuses, right, So it's
• 1:30:15
  just like and it was mostly women doing it too. It was mostly women.
• 1:30:18
  Yeah, yeah, no, it wasn't. It wasn't men who were
• 1:30:21
  who were leading that stuff. It was like the whole religion was led by
• 1:30:27
  women. Yep. Yeah, So anyway, I'm gonna be I'm definitely gonna
• 1:30:30
  have Rachel Wilson on or fireside chat like in November. I hope I will.
• 1:30:35
  I don't want to bother her right now, but I will when the
• 1:30:38
  time comes. So let's go to the sources. Let me share. Am
• 1:30:43
  I sharing? Yeah? I am, so join me in the stream.
• 1:30:45
  So we're gonna look at one short from Pearl and one short from Eloie Roma.
• 1:30:51
  Maybe, so we'll look at the Okay, so look at the titles.
• 1:30:57
  Okay, so here's the top women doing things. Women are not logical
• 1:31:02
  creatures. This is Pearl when women are given authority, top women doing the
• 1:31:09
  top women doing things. Okay, I'm gonna play this one from Pearl.
• 1:31:13
  She's she goes after women. That's one of the things that I I think
• 1:31:16
  that differentiates. But she goes after women like she doesn't pick specific women.
• 1:31:23
  She goes after like you know what women think about themselves. So there's like
• 1:31:28
  a deflating of the ego I think she's trying to do. So anyway,
• 1:31:30
  yeah, yeah, let's let's listen to this you never buy something and it's
• 1:31:36
  like you really didn't want to buy it, but the salesman just want to
• 1:31:40
  let it go. Basically, they said, if a guy does that,
• 1:31:44
  it's rape, and it's because they switched. They switched the and this is
• 1:31:47
  what women do. We going so it says great, but what she's saying
• 1:31:51
  is rape. Yeah, so just so you know, the subtitles are a
• 1:31:56
  little weird, so industries and then we're like, you don't like your tone,
• 1:31:59
  and let's change the meanings of words. And they take these words that
• 1:32:02
  have meant the same thing for a hundred years, Like, so, okay,
• 1:32:06
  that was that was that short? Maybe another one good enough? Yeah,
• 1:32:13
  let's do uh, let's do this one. This goes back to women,
• 1:32:16
  we're just not the most logical. We don't look at dating and think,
• 1:32:21
  well, it's probably better to have the normal guy than share the top
• 1:32:27
  guy. Know, it's just based on how we feel. Well, I
• 1:32:29
  feel a certain way with him. Therefore this is what I'm going for.
• 1:32:32
  I don't I don't make the rules. I just tell you what they are.
• 1:32:35
  This goes back to so that's that's yeah, that's basically she's really Yeah,
• 1:32:43
  she doesn't shy away from calling out women. That is, no,
• 1:32:46
  definitely not. I think she does it on a level that's less. I
• 1:32:53
  think the way we call out women may be a little bit more difficult to
• 1:32:57
  get into. Mm hmmm, yeah, no, she is. She always
• 1:33:00
  seems to do it with a smile on her some humor. Yeah, and
• 1:33:05
  with really good analogies the salesman. Okay, so you bought something you really
• 1:33:11
  didn't want it, but the salesman just kept go on pushing you, and
• 1:33:14
  yeah, no that's rape. Yeah, and and it's like, no,
• 1:33:19
  it's not here. Here's one, here's one. What she says about Yeah,
• 1:33:25
  what about men? I think so the same weading. Steve Harvey has
• 1:33:30
  made money for decades, for decades basically, in my opinion, pandering to
• 1:33:35
  women. And as women like, we believe anything, so it's not completely
• 1:33:39
  obvious to us that he's pandering. So I never understood when men would come
• 1:33:44
  forward and see that guy's a simp. He's pandering, and I'd be like
• 1:33:45
  what. A lot of the stuff he said sounds nice, but it doesn't
• 1:33:49
  work in reality. And the problem is Steve Harvey patsalizes women. He puts
• 1:33:55
  the women above the men, and the truth of the matter is especially women
• 1:33:59
  today who don't offer purity. They don't offer youth that were fatter than ever,
• 1:34:03
  Like, we're not offering a lot of kids. Like it's really disingenuous
• 1:34:08
  to put single like a single mother on a pedestal. And again, I
• 1:34:13
  think the idea is that when again, when you put the women higher than
• 1:34:17
  yourself, it messes up the natural order of things. And the natural order
• 1:34:21
  of things is God, men, women, children. All right, Oh
• 1:34:28
  well, okay, I would I would say the natural order of things is
• 1:34:32
  men love women, women love children, children love puppies. Yeah. And
• 1:34:39
  also the problem with that is the natural order of things then becomes a situation
• 1:34:45
  where men's vulnerabilities are never addressed or identified well because they're all portrayed as strengths.
• 1:34:54
  Yes, well, well they're portrayed as well if they have abuses,
• 1:35:00
  failure, a failure to protect women or to provide for women. It's like
• 1:35:06
  or abuses. Failures are abuses. So we can never really have the talk,
• 1:35:13
  the conversation about what men need. You know, this is this is
• 1:35:17
  something men don't need anything a long time. When we put men in this
• 1:35:24
  position of greater authority than women and greater autonomy that by necessity chokes out the
• 1:35:30
  conversation about their needs. Yes, it finds we find it very difficult psychologically
• 1:35:38
  to recognize that people who have power are vulnerable and also have their own needs.
• 1:35:45
  That's that's that is a big that is one of the big psychological blocks
• 1:35:49
  that human beings have. Yes, okay, yeah, well that's that's a
• 1:35:55
  page out of what she's did. That's a page out of jesse Lee Peterson's
• 1:36:00
  thing. So anyway, thank you Pearl. Let's go Roma, all right,
• 1:36:04
  So, if husbands don't want babies, get vasectomies, men safely driving
• 1:36:11
  is now icky feminists when women want actual equality? Really sure, if husbands
• 1:36:17
  don't want babies, what I don't want babies? I want to hear what
• 1:36:24
  Alison has to say? Go ahead? Can this be a taste thing?
• 1:36:28
  Because I do not like I I when people say Roma is more attractive than
• 1:36:32
  Pearl, I have no. I can't like. It's not even a situation
• 1:36:36
  like I'm being flattering to Pearl. I cannot see this as more attractive than
• 1:36:42
  Pearl. I mean, I don't see like maybe on the same level with
• 1:36:48
  Roma giving off an energy where I wouldn't really want to be in the same
• 1:36:51
  room. Well, none of none of these, none of these they're not
• 1:36:55
  flattering images. They're not flattering at all. Yeah, yeah, still like
• 1:37:00
  I don't think the pearl goes for flattering images either. No, she's been
• 1:37:06
  cleaning up a little bit. I think she may be cleaning up a little
• 1:37:10
  bit and there is a little less greasy, I guess. But yeah,
• 1:37:15
  that's that's that's a shot at you, Alice. Sometimes sometimes it's greasy hair.
• 1:37:21
  No, usually it's wet and it's not brushed. Actually it's overbrushed.
• 1:37:28
  I found out. I found out that I've been breaking my hair with my
• 1:37:33
  brush. So now I use a comb and a boar bristle to control the
• 1:37:39
  friz were you talking about today my hair was greasy? No, No,
• 1:37:45
  I've just known you for a long time and sometimes your hair kind of looks
• 1:37:49
  greasy because it's like separating into like uh uh you know. Yeah, just
• 1:37:59
  it's incredible difficult to deal with my hair. Yeah, that's why I buzz
• 1:38:02
  my head. Yeah. Well, but I have actually found out several things
• 1:38:10
  that help. Because curly hair, I have to keep it wet, moisturize
• 1:38:15
  it constantly, not with them, and this is what maybe why you think
• 1:38:18
  it's greasy because oils to moisturize my hair. Now I just use water mostly.
• 1:38:28
  This is this is how my sons have this problem. Right, My
• 1:38:32
  daughter doesn't have this problem because she doesn't take care of her hair. My
• 1:38:36
  daughter, she she showers and shampoos her hair every second day. And when
• 1:38:43
  she showers and shampoos her hair and conditions it, she finger combs it and
• 1:38:50
  then she just goes to work and then the next day, the next day,
• 1:38:56
  she brushes it, and then she goes to work, and and that's
• 1:39:00
  she brushes it once every two days day. That well, I was actually
• 1:39:08
  trying to deal with the fact that I had a brush that was breaking my
• 1:39:11
  hair, which was making it frizzy. So I was putting oil in the
• 1:39:14
  hair to tamp down the frizz and get rid of the brush. Use the
• 1:39:19
  use a bil bristle boar brush, use water, and most of that has
• 1:39:24
  been resolved. So yeah. Yeah, and my my son's woman out there
• 1:39:28
  with with wavy hair that's just like has a little bit of like some parts
• 1:39:32
  or curlier. That's what you do. Yeah. No, my sons also
• 1:39:38
  I have like glorious blonde jew froze and uh, you know, because we're
• 1:39:44
  not one hundred percent Ukrainian, we're like one sixty fourth Jew and uh so
• 1:39:51
  you know that's where they got Yeah we're Jeukrainian. That that's where they got
• 1:39:58
  their jew froze and yeah oi they Oh my god, and my my youngest.
• 1:40:05
  He lives in like a building that's known as the Peach Palace. It's
• 1:40:11
  like infamously known as the Beach Palace in our neighborhood because it is where all
• 1:40:16
  the crackheads and recovering addicts and like people on assistance and ash and stuff they
• 1:40:24
  all live there. And so it's like but he was like, oh,
• 1:40:30
  it's cheap, and it's a really nice apartment, and can you help me
• 1:40:34
  hide my valuables while I move them in so that nobody sees that I have
• 1:40:41
  valuables in my apartment. So but he he just wears his hair loose,
• 1:40:47
  and he looks like it looks like Robert Plant just out of bed during the
• 1:41:00
  hit the Led Zeppelin days. Yeah, yeah, that's he just walks around
• 1:41:06
  like that and nobody thinks that he's got anything worth stealing. Don't tell anybody,
• 1:41:15
  but he's got a ton of stuff that you could sell for a lot
• 1:41:18
  of money. But okay, yeah, well so I mean ultimately hair is
• 1:41:24
  difficult. I'm not going to give her for her No, she just I'm
• 1:41:30
  not actually giving her ship. I just don't think she's more attractive than Pearl.
• 1:41:34
  All right, Well, which video should I play? Yes? All
• 1:41:41
  right, let's play. It wouldn't be like I don't want any more kids?
• 1:41:46
  Didn't get it back to me. I'm sorry I might be wrong here,
• 1:41:54
  but I thought feminism was about equality, right, not like supremacy.
• 1:41:58
  You be expected to tie your two when he's done paying for your ass and
• 1:42:00
  the twelve kids you tricked him into having. The mean be like, we
• 1:42:04
  don't want any more patriarchy, then get a job. I don't want any
• 1:42:09
  more patriarchy. Then give men equal access to their children. You don't want
• 1:42:13
  any more patriarchy, so then make it that men can have financial abortion like
• 1:42:17
  women have abortions. But I forgot it's only oppressive when you force a woman
• 1:42:20
  into having a children she didn't want. When it comes to men, it's
• 1:42:25
  perfectly acceptable for me to make him financially responsible for my independent decision. For
• 1:42:29
  eighteen years, all while screaming about pro choice and now inhuman it is to
• 1:42:32
  force somebody into having kids, because children aren't a consequence for sex unless you're
• 1:42:39
  a man. Thank you, all right, he's not wrong. I actually
• 1:42:44
  noticed that. I feel like the tone has shifted somewhat with her. Yeah.
• 1:42:47
  No, she is like I think she's on myth. No, you
• 1:42:56
  know, she reminds me of with her like kind of you know, birsty
• 1:43:00
  style Wooly bubble Yeah, but she wasn't like this a year ago. No,
• 1:43:06
  do you remember Wooly Bumblebee? I? Yes, I do remember Wooly
• 1:43:11
  Bumblebee another Brian Brian Okay, I knewked Wooly Bumblebee from orbit. Yeah.
• 1:43:21
  Go look at the blog post. Oh, I think I remember it.
• 1:43:28
  May I may have read that way back. Yeah, she kind of like
• 1:43:31
  she gets a little bit emotional and then melts down and then she was like,
• 1:43:36
  you have to correct this because that's not correct. It wasn't true,
• 1:43:41
  and so I crossed it out and said something worse. Yeah. Now I
• 1:43:50
  didn't erase it. I didn't delete it. I never delete anything. But
• 1:43:56
  yeah, I think that what I think of the problem is also the affect
• 1:43:59
  that she does. Yeah. No, that like the shorts are there's a
• 1:44:05
  there's a branding thing going on too. It's a different brand. Like she's
• 1:44:11
  getting way more friended. Yeah, she's doing a character in a way,
• 1:44:16
  and uh does don't be this guy. Let's see what this is. After
• 1:44:23
  years of her sleeping with shitty men who don't respect her, she will find
• 1:44:27
  a nice guy that will forget her past. Don't be that nice guy,
• 1:44:31
  thank you? Okay, Well, yeah, don't be simp I mean sure,
• 1:44:40
  yeah, I'm like I think that this is No, she's extremely polemic.
• 1:44:48
  Yeah, like, well, I mean, Pearl is also pretty polemic,
• 1:44:53
  isn't she. No, Pearl seems to be like she seems to be
• 1:45:00
  very relaxed and she just kind of has a sense of humor about it.
• 1:45:05
  Mm hmm. Right, she like she never comes really as angry or mean,
• 1:45:14
  yeah or mean, right, and and roma here she she just comes
• 1:45:19
  across across as as a polemic angry mean and there's there's not necessarily with what
• 1:45:29
  she's saying. There's yeah, no, there's nothing wrong with what she's saying.
• 1:45:32
  She is trying to and there's nothing wrong with being angry or even mean.
• 1:45:39
  But it's it's like it's a different brand. It's it's a brand that
• 1:45:44
  I don't think I'm as interested in. Plus, I find that well,
• 1:45:51
  Brian was saying that Roma has more difficulty with red pill rage than than Pearly.
• 1:45:57
  Yeah, well, she just doesn't have a patience from many patients.
• 1:46:00
  The thing is like, if you're doing this right, especially if you're a
• 1:46:03
  woman doing this, one of the first things is gonna happen is you're gonna
• 1:46:06
  come across men in this space. They're gonna call you a chameleon, and
• 1:46:11
  they're gonna test you. They're gonna, yeah, they're because they want to
• 1:46:15
  make sure you're not full of shit. They want to make sure that you're
• 1:46:16
  legit and if you can, if you can withstand that, So I guess
• 1:46:21
  it's it's part. It's also that's different from red pill rage. It's more
• 1:46:25
  like you're gonna do very suspicious men in the space. Yeah, Rollo is
• 1:46:30
  still not sure about me. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but you
• 1:46:34
  know again, if you if you just treat it like you're treating Rollo,
• 1:46:39
  like oh, it's just water off a duck's back or whatever, then they'll
• 1:46:43
  probably, like most of them, will warm up to you. I think
• 1:46:46
  they'll just go do their own thing and leave. Yeah, or they'll make
• 1:46:50
  videos about you being a chameleon like somewhere wherever they are, whatever it is,
• 1:46:56
  and then you don't respond and then nobody needs Yeah, well what I
• 1:47:01
  use. I just think, Well, people have can have whatever opinion they
• 1:47:04
  want. I will just continue to do what I think is say the things
• 1:47:09
  that I think are the truth, and do what I think is productive for
• 1:47:12
  the future of society, and let the chips where they may society on me
• 1:47:16
  that I am some kind of evil chameleons. Yeah, well he thinks that
• 1:47:23
  about everybody that's not him. I mean that's basically what. No, I'm
• 1:47:26
  serious, Rollo's got a pretty freaking high bar for like, I trust me,
• 1:47:34
  myself, I and my male offspring, yes, and when I have
• 1:47:42
  them, and that really has some guy in the mirror. Yeah. So
• 1:47:46
  yeah, No, it's like and I like, I get it, I
• 1:47:51
  understand, and it's fine. And I think that Rollo actually contributes a lot
• 1:47:56
  of wisdom and knowledge and an understanding to like the red Pill community and stuff.
• 1:48:03
  Right, Like, I I'm not knocking him in terms of of what
• 1:48:09
  he does and and the fact that it has value, like it it definitely
• 1:48:14
  has value. But but you know, like it's he he he is a
• 1:48:21
  little paranoid. He is about women. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
• 1:48:33
  I think every man should be paranoid about women, uh to some degree,
• 1:48:40
  you know. Like look, you know, like, well I don't
• 1:48:47
  think he never admit that because but yeah, but I understand when when my
• 1:48:53
  sister, when my sister, when I started doing these videos and stuff,
• 1:48:57
  and my sister started watching them. Right, this sister who's the doctor who
• 1:49:00
  has the four kids, right, two sons, two daughters, and uh
• 1:49:08
  yeah, she's a doctor and her husband's a pilot and you know, and
• 1:49:12
  they have four kids, a son, two daughter, a daughter, two
• 1:49:17
  sons, and then another daughter. And so basically, you know, she's
• 1:49:25
  she's got the whole shebang. She's she's extremely wealthy and all of that.
• 1:49:30
  Right, I started making these videos, and she said, she said,
• 1:49:34
  well, I had the talk with Erica, you know, when she was
• 1:49:44
  thirteen, fourteen years old. Right, you know, you have to you
• 1:49:48
  have to be careful. You have to be careful because boys are gonna want
• 1:49:57
  certain things that you might not you ready for. And you have to be
• 1:50:03
  able to look after yourself. And you have to consider your surroundings and your
• 1:50:08
  situation and not do anything stupid. And you know and just know that most
• 1:50:17
  boys are nice, but some boys might try something that you aren't interested in
• 1:50:27
  going along with. So you've got to keep your eyes open, okay,
• 1:50:31
  because of that. And then I started doing these videos, she said,
• 1:50:39
  And then I started talking to my sons. So you bring your own condoms.
• 1:50:47
  You do not use her condoms. You bring your own. And then
• 1:50:53
  when they're done, you don't flush them because that's not nice to the sewer
• 1:50:59
  workers, but you rinse them out in hot water, straight hot water from
• 1:51:04
  the bathroom tap before you put them in the trash bin. Okay, because
• 1:51:11
  you really don't want a two hundred thousand dollars baby mortgage amortized over twenty six
• 1:51:18
  years. You don't want that. Yeah, okay, she was like,
• 1:51:26
  she was like, when you started making videos, I realized I started to
• 1:51:29
  have I needed to actually have the talk with my boys, not just my
• 1:51:35
  girls, but with my boys as well. And I think a lot of
• 1:51:43
  parents, a lot of people, they don't realize that their sons are more
• 1:51:51
  vulnerable than their daughters, because at least you know your daughter may be victimized.
• 1:51:58
  Your daughter may be victimized by somebody who's ruthless and horrible and maybe hurt
• 1:52:02
  and maybe even impregnated. Whatever, Right she has ways out, she has
• 1:52:11
  ways out of responsibility for that, she has societal sympathy, and she also
• 1:52:19
  has h has revenge. Right, she can report him and have him arrested,
• 1:52:30
  and society will punish it, right if he contravenes her consent and impregnates
• 1:52:36
  her. Right, She's got all these options, all these things. Right.
• 1:52:40
  She's not stuck with a kid, she's not stuck with pregnancy, she's
• 1:52:44
  not stuck with motherhood, and she's definitely not stuck with him. Right,
• 1:52:49
  but she can get his money. He, on the other hand, Yeah,
• 1:52:56
  no, it's completely different and so and there is nobody who is going
• 1:53:05
  to feel bad for some sixteen year old who knocked up his fifteen year old
• 1:53:10
  girlfriend who gets dinged for child support. All right, I got I got
• 1:53:18
  more Superchowds and uh, but I want to watch Let's watch one more Chloe,
• 1:53:24
  this one? Why do men have to die to be masculine? And
• 1:53:28
  then I'll read the Superchowds and I think we could wrap it up unless als
• 1:53:31
  and has something else. Okay, Okay, let's do it. Yeah from
• 1:53:39
  this to this. We used to live for adventure and excitement. Ay,
• 1:53:44
  right, Which radical feminist has his family jewels? Can you bring it back?
• 1:53:47
  First of all, the standard for masculinity shouldn't be dying at war.
• 1:53:53
  I don't really think that that's adventurous and exciting. Could be, however,
• 1:53:57
  it's definitely more adventurous and exciting than what you're doing, which is sitting behind
• 1:54:00
  a microphone criticizing other men's masculinity. When's the last time you did a leg
• 1:54:06
  day? Probably got chicken legs? Given that mediocre advice out here, like,
• 1:54:13
  oh, you're not men unless you enjoy champa and football and dining at
• 1:54:17
  or here's the real question, why do you care so much If you don't
• 1:54:23
  want to wear a dress? Man, just don't wear a dress. Why
• 1:54:25
  are you so concerned about another man's masculinity? Do you feel like maybe you're
• 1:54:30
  lacking in some I don't know that's for you to answer. Yes, her
• 1:54:41
  entire, her entire persona these days is uh no more No, it's it's
• 1:54:48
  it's it's really off putting. It's you know, like she doesn't even give
• 1:54:55
  you the build up where you're like, you know, you're giving the preamble
• 1:54:58
  and then you like, you know, like me or Alice, and some
• 1:55:02
  do start yelling like and what the fuck right? Yeah, but we've done
• 1:55:10
  a five minute preamble to it explaining why yeah, and we've we've worked.
• 1:55:17
  No, she just she just goes straight into like angry, like I don't
• 1:55:27
  know, I don't know. These are shorts. These are shorts, and
• 1:55:30
  and I don't like a lot like this, but I mean most of her
• 1:55:34
  videos are shorts, like she took off on TikTok basically, and these are
• 1:55:42
  it's branding. This is her particular brand. It is not compatible with what
• 1:55:45
  I would like to watch. Let's think about what she's saying instead of how
• 1:55:49
  she's saying it. All right, she's got a point, one of these
• 1:55:54
  noxious and un unattractive behaviors. And I'll go right out a limb and say
• 1:55:59
  that is when men start maligning other men's masculinity. That goes doubly for feminists
• 1:56:05
  to talk about toxic masculinity and start policing. But this idea of this competition
• 1:56:14
  between masculinity, it's it's just it's not it is not attractive. And he's
• 1:56:20
  she's got a point, Like you're sitting behind a microphone. Yeah, no,
• 1:56:26
  other men's I do. Go ahead. I don't mind competition, masculine
• 1:56:32
  competition, right, like anybody who watches mixed martial arts, anybody who watches
• 1:56:38
  like sports, anyone who watches soccer or does he is he in the war?
• 1:56:45
  That's right, he's not. He's not. He's sitting he's sitting there
• 1:56:49
  going, oh dude, swearing a dress. You know. You know that
• 1:56:57
  soldiers like infantry. So your soldiers that have seen combat are the least likely
• 1:57:02
  to judge deserters. Yeah. You know that because they because they know they
• 1:57:09
  know okay, they know what what and they also know there but the grace
• 1:57:15
  of God go I because of the chaos, the intensity and the emotions,
• 1:57:21
  you know it. So this guy doesn't sound like he's even been in war.
• 1:57:30
  No, he doesn't sound like he's been in like a freaking puddle.
• 1:57:33
  Yeah, so he's he's judging from a position of security about something he really
• 1:57:40
  probably doesn't participate in. And I don't think that. I don't. I
• 1:57:45
  guess, like I said, the most unattractive thing to me in men is
• 1:57:50
  men who cut other men down right, not not call them out legitimately for
• 1:57:57
  shitty behavior. But cut down their sense of self worth. Well here's the
• 1:58:01
  thing too, that's caddy right. Okay, this this guy, right,
• 1:58:10
  a dude in a skirt? Who was that, by the way I does
• 1:58:15
  singer? I can't remember, but you know what he did that as a
• 1:58:18
  political move. It's not like he actually walks around in skirts all the time.
• 1:58:21
  Yeah whatever, Yeah, No, I know Harry Styles. Harry Styles.
• 1:58:25
  Harry Styles. Yeah, yeah, Harry Styles. Okay, So this
• 1:58:30
  guy is looking at Harry Styles and he's like, he's not very manly,
• 1:58:39
  right, compared to me and or any of these dudes who died in World
• 1:58:46
  War One, you know, and and and it's just like, okay,
• 1:58:56
  you could easily picture self against like it's like it's like Gilgamesh wrestling a baby.
• 1:59:08
  Well, yeah, as opposed to can I can I offer? Can
• 1:59:15
  I offer something a little different kind of a counterpoint. I don't know the
• 1:59:19
  full context of that guy's video because Chloe cut him off really quickly, but
• 1:59:25
  I think there was an opportunity there to help that guy understand at least like
• 1:59:30
  make the case that that you guys are making. And she's being a bit
• 1:59:35
  uncharitable. So I don't know what his intentions were, but I have seen
• 1:59:41
  so like if a veteran, if if an actual war veteran said the same
• 1:59:46
  thing that that guy said, that something has happened to men and that he
• 1:59:53
  you know, the country that he fought and watched his friends die for or
• 1:59:57
  whatever it is, right has changed, like oh, arsis society is weaker
• 2:00:00
  now because there's no like like my generation, you know, I lost my
• 2:00:05
  my buddies, et cetera. Because it's good pop. Yeah yeah, And
• 2:00:13
  and I have seen you can find videos of like World War two and and
• 2:00:18
  Vietnam and Korean War veterans like old old men that you know, they they
• 2:00:25
  they went and they thought that they were doing the right thing because they did.
• 2:00:30
  You know, no one wants war like that. I don't think anybody
• 2:00:32
  wants it except for the people who stand to benefit and risk nothing, which
• 2:00:38
  is a very small amount of people. But like in general, when when
• 2:00:42
  men go to war, if they're not conscripted, which you know a lot
• 2:00:45
  of these wars were, but like there there's definitely people who enlisted because they
• 2:00:50
  wanted to do what was right. I think that they knew what the risks
• 2:00:55
  were and they come back and they see that our society become more feminized because
• 2:01:00
  of feminism, by the way, and they have they are what is it?
• 2:01:09
  They lament that And I don't know if that's what this guy is doing,
• 2:01:12
  but I don't really know what his position is. So when Chloe Roma
• 2:01:16
  simply dismisses him and criticizes his masculinity because he is looking at a trend that
• 2:01:24
  he doesn't like, which I understand. Plus again, Harry Styles is the
• 2:01:30
  example. And Harry Styles is not a guy who generally likes wearing dresses.
• 2:01:34
  He is a guy that was wearing a dress to make a statement because he
• 2:01:38
  wanted to stay famous, and because the magazines, which are run by women
• 2:01:42
  and gay men, essentially insisted that he breaks some gender stereotypes. And so
• 2:01:46
  it's it's not And I know because I talked about the article where the photoshop
• 2:01:53
  was and I looked at Harry Styles at any other event. He's wearing a
• 2:01:57
  tuxedo just like any other man would, or a suit, or he's dress
• 2:02:00
  nice but in male clothes. So this was this wasn't him just being his
• 2:02:04
  authentic self. This was him doing something politically expedient. And I can only
• 2:02:12
  assume that the guy making the video knows that, and he was responding to
• 2:02:15
  it. And I think again, if it was an actual like war veteran
• 2:02:21
  who did, you know, risk his life for this country and he sees
• 2:02:26
  that it's essentially being conquered from the inside and he's lamenting that, I think
• 2:02:31
  that that's worthy of pointing out, is what I'm saying. And I don't
• 2:02:34
  think I don't think chloy Roma has got She's not being nuanced enough. She's
• 2:02:40
  almost making a toxic masculinity argument on behalf of females. It's bordering on that
• 2:02:45
  in fact. I mean you see what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:02:49
  no, And you know, like if Harry's styles is basically just putting on
• 2:02:57
  dresses to please the uh, how is that not his own expression of masculinity
• 2:03:04
  as a service to women. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's a
• 2:03:12
  little that's a little different. But I would also argue that, like,
• 2:03:16
  this conversation is incredibly difficult. Yeah no, but I wouldn't want a self
• 2:03:21
  awareness to have. I would also argue that it's harmful and debasing and he
• 2:03:29
  shouldn't have done it. If if he only did it because that was what
• 2:03:34
  would get him the photo spread. Although I'm in that magazine. I would
• 2:03:41
  say that it's not good to hold up an example of extreme forms of mill
• 2:03:46
  expendability as a standard for manhood. No, I mean, I think that
• 2:03:53
  he was saying he was looking at something admirable. But I agree that it's
• 2:03:58
  not when you hold like this is this is the thing, like nobody could
• 2:04:03
  have prepared those men for what they faced. No society could have made them
• 2:04:06
  manly enough. So this is it's like a non secret or to put that
• 2:04:12
  out there as an example of society making men manly. This is more like
• 2:04:16
  society demanding or or coercing, not coercing. Like well, coursing is one
• 2:04:24
  word that could work, but withdrawing on men's already existing masculine tendencies is what
• 2:04:31
  I'm getting at. So those young men, for example, who went into
• 2:04:35
  World War One, there was nothing that society could do to make them the
• 2:04:41
  men that were capable of enduring that. Right, there's nothing. There was
• 2:04:46
  no way that society could prepare them for. Society had absolutely buck kissed nothing
• 2:04:51
  to do with the men standing up to what they were expected to stand up
• 2:04:55
  to. That was innate to them, That was innate to them. So
• 2:05:00
  it's not a situation where you hold it up and you say, oh,
• 2:05:02
  look at this, these are real men. No, every man is like
• 2:05:06
  that when the chips come down, or almost every man is like that when
• 2:05:12
  the chips come down, And also like the veterans who go through war,
• 2:05:15
  almost every man can get to the point where he is overwhelmed by the situation
• 2:05:21
  and does something like goes the wrong way or deserts. Okay, So it's
• 2:05:28
  like, that is not where what you should hold up as an example of
• 2:05:31
  manhood, because it is and this is really really hard to articulate. And
• 2:05:38
  it goes back to my statement about how all of this is hard stuff to
• 2:05:42
  talk about because it requires a depth of understanding that most people, I don't
• 2:05:45
  think really touch. It is not something that society makes men into. So
• 2:05:54
  holding it up holding them up as oh, look, these are the men
• 2:05:58
  that society made in the fifties or whatever in the nineteen tens, that's not
• 2:06:03
  true. This is an example of society using the already existing virtues and instincts
• 2:06:13
  of men in possibly the most callous, useless, wasteful, and disgusting way
• 2:06:20
  for just a little money, for just help. It shouldn't be seen as
• 2:06:28
  a standard that men should rise to. It should be seen as a a
• 2:06:34
  lowering of society, if that makes sense. For just so for just a
• 2:06:41
  little money, Yeah, we can get rid of Putin without spending a single
• 2:06:48
  American life. We just need to keep throwing bohunks into the meat grinder.
• 2:06:57
  Yeah, now YouTube going to be on our ass unless they don't care anymore.
• 2:07:01
  Well, I'm the Ukrainians, so they can just fucking eat it all
• 2:07:05
  right. Yeah. Anyways, my problem, my point is this that is
• 2:07:10
  not like the exploitation of the natural male instinct is not an example of men
• 2:07:17
  living up to some kind of fucking standard because it was already in them and
• 2:07:21
  there was no standard that society could place place on men to make them ready
• 2:07:27
  for what that was asked for them, asked of them, or demanded of
• 2:07:29
  them. And I don't know if I'm getting coming across, because there's yea
• 2:07:32
  you are, yeah, so right there. I am not with that guy,
• 2:07:39
  But I mean I think your meaning as well, Brian, Well,
• 2:07:42
  I mean yeah, I'm just pointing out what he was probably thinking, because
• 2:07:45
  again, it's not like this guy has thought that much about this. So
• 2:07:48
  like if he if he watched, if he watched this clip, and he
• 2:07:53
  watched Roma's clip, he would have gotten a lot more out of this one.
• 2:07:58
  And that's the difference. Yeah, that's true. That's true because she
• 2:08:00
  goes she drops right into shaming language. Yeah, she just shames him and
• 2:08:03
  basically attacks his masculinity. So yeay, I guess, don't attack masculinity.
• 2:08:09
  I'm gonna attack your masculinity. Nice. Oh yeah, what it is?
• 2:08:13
  Okay, when you look at that picture of the storming of the beaches in
• 2:08:16
  Normandy of D Day, that's what society asks of men, or demands of
• 2:08:22
  men, you know. And I don't want men to feel like they have
• 2:08:26
  to storm the beaches of Normandy in order to be considered valuable, which you
• 2:08:31
  know, ironically, that is the moment of least value, right, most
• 2:08:35
  expendability, most sacrifice, right. And I don't want men to think that
• 2:08:41
  society is what makes them brave in that way, because it isn't. Mm
• 2:08:45
  hmm. It's just to inherit the beast, all right, superchows. So
• 2:08:50
  let me just put uh put badger chan up there, just generally asking to
• 2:08:56
  be fed. So h Richard ll Bier gives us five dollars, thank you,
• 2:09:01
  Richard, and says I heard that Jazz Jennings actually, with all of
• 2:09:05
  the medical treatments, had exhausted the lifetime coverage of the family's health insurance policy
• 2:09:11
  that was supposed to cover the entire family for life, even though it was
• 2:09:13
  a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars lifetime cap. I didn't know that,
• 2:09:20
  but thanks for telling me. I hope that. I just hope that Jazz
• 2:09:24
  Jennings is okay because I have concerns and I'm worried about Yeah, anyway,
• 2:09:31
  I'm gonna move on. Thank you, Richard. Then he gives us another
• 2:09:35
  five dollars, Thank you, Richard, and says I think that the contraception
• 2:09:37
  take from Roma has to do with these reports that Justin Timberlake supposedly forced Britney
• 2:09:43
  Spears into getting an abortion because he wasn't ready to be a father because he
• 2:09:48
  felt that both of them were too young at the time. Britney has described
• 2:09:52
  it as the most traumatic experience of her life and would have done it differently.
• 2:09:56
  Yeah, I know we're gonna cover that on the new show next week.
• 2:10:00
  It's funny because women generally have all the power when it comes to what
• 2:10:03
  happens to their bodies when they're pregnant. But in this case, of course,
• 2:10:07
  we're gonna drop all of that because Justin Timberlake has thrall or he did.
• 2:10:13
  Yeah, that's ridiculous. It is ridiculous. It is, it's freaking
• 2:10:16
  ridiculous. She he didn't force her into it. He made her. He
• 2:10:20
  may have made his opinion about becoming a father known, and she made the
• 2:10:24
  decision based on that. Yeah, ultimately she made the decision exactly. And
• 2:10:31
  then lastly we got one from anonymous for ten dollars thank you and says not
• 2:10:35
  many look that far into the storytelling to learn that nuance of characters of even
• 2:10:41
  stories one might not like. All right, thank you so much. Do
• 2:10:45
  you have any thank yous to give Alison to the we're doing then the fundraising,
• 2:10:48
  No, no, nobody has put anything through, so sadly sad.
• 2:10:54
  Okay, that's okay. We made our goal and we're gonna be starting the
• 2:10:58
  monthly one. Yeah. Really, maybe that's Sunday we can do something like
• 2:11:03
  a beat saber, all right, and then we'll do more with as long
• 2:11:07
  as Karen is okay with it silent, as long as I'm okay with what
• 2:11:15
  with coming on again? Not about this. I don't know, maybe sometime
• 2:11:20
  late later next week. Oh that's fine, okay, all right, all
• 2:11:26
  right, then the plans, the plan is firming. All right, well,
• 2:11:31
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• 2:12:03
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