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Mae on the Legacy of The Everglow · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Lately. All right, lately, I'm stay.
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  Speaker 2: Then what you do Today, I've got Zach and Dave
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: from May. Just a pleasure to chat with you, guys.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a few years since we got both of
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: you on the podcast. I know, Zach, I forget maybe
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: it was like a year or so ago we had
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  Speaker 2: you on for one of those kind of like fun
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  Speaker 2: fantasy draft type episodes.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good time. But but David, it's
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  Speaker 2: been a few years. It's good to see you again,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just excited. Well, obviously we want to chat
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  Speaker 2: all things that ever Glow. I was just telling Zach
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  Speaker 2: just a bit ago that the ever Glow is one
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  Speaker 2: of those albums where it's been over twenty years now.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: I've been doing sort of this like twentieth anniversary series
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  Speaker 2: with a number of bands that released stuff off of
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  Speaker 2: Tooth and Nail, and so the other day I was
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  Speaker 2: kind of going through a list of, like, what were
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  Speaker 2: those albums that were released in two thousand and six
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  Speaker 2: from Tooth and Nail, and I see The Everglow and
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  Speaker 2: now then I'm realizing, wait, I'm pretty sure Everglow was
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  Speaker 2: a two thousand and five album. What I think I
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  Speaker 2: had seen on that like Wikipedia page was the deluxe
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  Speaker 2: version that came out. But needless to say, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's still worthwhile to chat about the twentieth anniversary since
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  Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance to do that last year.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are now on the twenty first anniversary
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  Speaker 2: of the ever Glow and so now that the album
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  Speaker 2: can legally drink, I think now it's time.
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  Speaker 1: To revisit it. Right, definitely so cool.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll talk all things ever Glow. But before we
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  Speaker 2: dive into all of that, how are you doing, Dave,
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  Speaker 2: And how you doing, Zach?
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  Speaker 4: I'm well, Mason, thanks for having me and for having us.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to see you, and it's good to you
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  Speaker 1: see Zach.
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  Speaker 4: And because you know, Zach and I live like seven
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  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty miles away from each other, so thank
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  Speaker 4: you for connecting the three of us.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's good to be on with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been some time. I don't think i've seen
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  Speaker 3: Dave since I don't know it was the last time
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  Speaker 3: we played a show when.
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  Speaker 4: We I haven't seen you in twenty twenty six yet,
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa Yeah, we need to make something like that happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm doing okay, I'm hanging in there, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for thanks for having us on Mason. We appreciate
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  Speaker 3: it and we're happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will say, Zach, you look like somebody who
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: is ABD. I can assure you that you look like
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  Speaker 2: you're writing a dissertation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look like a ghost. So I look so
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  Speaker 3: both of you guys have this great color on your skin.
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  Speaker 3: I look like I'm unhealthy. Anyway, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk ever Glow. So so I do know
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  Speaker 2: this for a fact, Zach, because I believe Everglow was
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: your first album with me, right right, you weren't on
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  Speaker 2: Destination Beautiful, right.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct. That was my first venture with the band.
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  Speaker 2: Nice. Nice. So i'd love to hear maybe before we
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  Speaker 2: start talking about like recording writing process. I'd love to
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  Speaker 2: hear and maybe we spoke about this years ago when
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  Speaker 2: when you were first on the podcast, Zach. But love
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  Speaker 2: to hear just kind of maybe the story of like
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  Speaker 2: you getting involved with the band, especially knowing that Destination
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful like did so well, especially as a debut album.
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  Speaker 2: Love to hear just kind of your story around getting
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  Speaker 2: involved in the band, and then we can definitely chat about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, leading up to the writing process of the Everglow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I want to say two thousand and three,
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: we were touring with May by band Onsung Zero's got
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  Speaker 3: linked up with May through May's agent at the time, EBA,
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  Speaker 3: and May was as far as touring is concerned, May
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  Speaker 3: was super super young. Still they had not to or
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: much at all, and that's why you know, they toured
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  Speaker 3: with us, and it was punchline, I think, was the
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  Speaker 3: tour we all did together. And the tour is fun.
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  Speaker 3: We had and I got along with the May guys, well,
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  Speaker 3: we all did. We all got along. The bands got
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  Speaker 3: along really really great. We had a good time, and
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  Speaker 3: it just so happened that number of circumstances. And then
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  Speaker 3: at the end of Unsung Zeros were kind of were
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  Speaker 3: dropping off the tour and I was just gonna go
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  Speaker 3: back to school, and also coincidentally, May's guitarist left the
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  Speaker 3: band kind of abruptly. He just didn't want to be
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  Speaker 3: on tour anymore and May still have some more days
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  Speaker 3: to do, and so I said, hey, Dave, I can
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  Speaker 3: help you. I'll play guitar on these shows if you
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  Speaker 3: want someone so you don't have to like be to
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  Speaker 3: get too disrupted. And after this tour you go back
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  Speaker 3: to Virginia, get a guitar player, and then whatever. I'll
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: just help you guys out in the immediate next couple
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: months because I don't have anything to do. And that's
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  Speaker 3: and he said yes. And I always wonder like what
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: went through the band or what conversation they might have
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  Speaker 3: had that said okay. They all agreed to say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we'll let this weirdo come on the road with us
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  Speaker 3: for you know, a month or so and play some
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  Speaker 3: shows because I, you know, we never played together. We're
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  Speaker 3: just getting along really well. And I think Dave, you
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  Speaker 3: guys had to go on shoot a video in California.
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  Speaker 1: They were making for summer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was left in Florida. They drove all
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  Speaker 3: across the country shut this video and and that during
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: that trip when they when they drove out there, Dave
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  Speaker 3: and I would just talk on the phone and I
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  Speaker 3: would ask him about guitar parts that I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 3: play and he would say, yes, I do this, and
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: then you can do this and so and this was
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  Speaker 3: a video. It was just all just on our Nokia,
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  Speaker 3: you know, all those old cell phones. And then they
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  Speaker 3: came picked me up. And the first show I played
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  Speaker 3: with them was at a church basement in West Virginia,
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  Speaker 3: and we had not heard together. I had not rehearsed
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  Speaker 3: with them at all before this show, and that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's how I started playing in the band.
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  Speaker 3: And there are things that happened afterward, but eventually this
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  Speaker 3: led to me being the band full time. Wow, that's
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  Speaker 3: how happened. Just we toured together.
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  Speaker 2: You must have, like, I mean, if you were just
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  Speaker 2: like raw Dog in a show like that, you must
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  Speaker 2: have been really good for them to want to keep
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  Speaker 2: you on.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you it was more about the fact that
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  Speaker 3: our personalities messed pretty easily. Like there was no kind
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  Speaker 3: of as far as my memory, you know, we just
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  Speaker 3: got along really well, and I think that was probably
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  Speaker 3: more important. The guitaristuff could be learned, you know. And
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  Speaker 3: I remember, I'm playing like this time is the last time.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to hear the tempo that I brought
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  Speaker 3: out on that first Wets Virginia show, because I start
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  Speaker 3: that song, I don't know things like that. I always
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  Speaker 3: kind of think back in which I which we had
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  Speaker 3: photos or video or something like that. But Dave can
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  Speaker 3: speak more to the mace out of that that development
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  Speaker 3: in terms of what they were thinking. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: was just really easy hang with those immediately from the start,
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  Speaker 3: and then also once I've gotten the band with.
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  Speaker 2: Them, right, Yeah, Colin and I often hear from bands,
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  Speaker 2: especially like a band, like a member of a band
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  Speaker 2: that like wasn't maybe originally part of the band, is
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  Speaker 2: like once you get to a point where you're maybe
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  Speaker 2: like touring, like especially like you know you're touring nationally,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, you're probably like going to be
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  Speaker 2: good enough in any kind of band, and it's more
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  Speaker 2: about like are you just like a good hang Like
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  Speaker 2: we just hear that more and more often, where like,
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  Speaker 2: really the reason why bands stick around or why somebody
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  Speaker 2: gets added to a band. Obviously there's like a part
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  Speaker 2: of it where talent obviously matters, but a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of it, almost maybe even more importantly, is just like
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  Speaker 2: is this somebody that we just want to hang out
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  Speaker 2: with when we're on tour because obviously for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: like when you're touring, you only are maybe playing for
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  Speaker 2: an hour and the other twenty three hours of the day.
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  Speaker 2: You got to make sure you get along with that person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great point. I remember.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, Destination Beautiful is like a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of simple riffs written by a nineteen and twenty
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  Speaker 4: year old kid with his friends. And when Zach and
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  Speaker 4: I first toured together, when he was in Unsung Zeros
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  Speaker 4: and I was in May, we ended up doing things
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  Speaker 4: I remember, like splitting off from our vans. I remember
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  Speaker 4: riding in the Unsung Zeros van across the like the Southwest,
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  Speaker 4: I want to say, in between maybe like an El Paso,
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  Speaker 4: Texas and Phoenix, Arizona. And you know, over the years
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  Speaker 4: we might have done that a time or two. But
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  Speaker 4: in these early years for May, in these early days
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  Speaker 4: for May really of touring. Zach's band was the first
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  Speaker 4: band that invited us to go on tour, and we
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  Speaker 4: made it all the way to the West coast, and
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  Speaker 4: so there were some adventures that we had not had yet.
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  Speaker 4: And if I'm sitting in in an Unsung Zero's van
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  Speaker 4: talking about a band like Mineral with Zach, a band
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  Speaker 4: like Jimmy at World with Zach, or musical tastes were
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  Speaker 4: very much in alignment back then, he was, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 4: introducing me to a few bands that I hadn't heard yet,
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  Speaker 4: maybe vice versa, just from our local scene, or you
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  Speaker 4: know some of these what are these like deep Olm
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  Speaker 4: bands and.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jade Tree bands.
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  Speaker 4: Some of these like really really influential emo indie rock
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  Speaker 4: bands that we both were into and discovering around each other.
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  Speaker 4: That was really important because if I'm gonna show Zach
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  Speaker 4: some like little string riff on the B and the
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  Speaker 4: E strings for a song, like all deliberate speed, it's
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  Speaker 4: like he's gonna know instinctually what the riff is because
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  Speaker 4: when he's touring with the band who's playing it, and
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about bands that we both love with, you know,
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  Speaker 4: influences and styles and guitar voicings and stylings that were,
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of unique to the.
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  Speaker 1: Genre, I would say to a degree.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think that the hang is super important,
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  Speaker 4: and just like the appreciation for music, and at that
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  Speaker 4: time in both of our lives, we were appreciating more
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: of the same bands and more of the same songs,
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  Speaker 4: more of the same guitar styles and rhythms and riffs
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. A lot of syncopated stuff. I remember listening
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: to bands like Hay Mercedes and Braid with Zach and
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: getting more into it because he was into it. And
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: you know back then too, right, we once we did
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: finally tour together, we were touring with these big booklets
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  Speaker 4: of CDs. We were on the custom of getting our
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: first iPods but maybe didn't have them yet. So I
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  Speaker 4: remember sitting in the back of the van one day
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: and just kind of going through the pages of his
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: uh CD book and the Coheat and Cambria and Anniversary
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  Speaker 4: and some of those bands in there that might be
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  Speaker 4: more of something he was listening to at the time
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  Speaker 4: than I was. It just kind of we just were
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  Speaker 4: always wanting to hang out more, play more music, and
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  Speaker 4: and he had toured a little bit longer than us,
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  Speaker 4: so he was a little bit experienced and weathered beyond
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  Speaker 4: what we were and that was exciting to have like
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  Speaker 4: a guide and so a lot of it too. Zach
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  Speaker 4: was He's like a tour guide for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 1: Zach was our gid Off. He was our white Wizard.
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  Speaker 3: To be.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense why he's getting a PhD, right, I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to I'd love to hear just like, Okay, so Zach
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  Speaker 2: enters the picture, and I'd love to hear like how
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  Speaker 2: maybe the the maybe even just the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: process for The Eglow Everglow started, especially knowing the success
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: the Destination Beautiful had, and you know, I don't know, Dave,
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  Speaker 2: if you guys had like any anticipation that it would
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: kind of I don't know if you would describe as
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  Speaker 2: blow up, but like the way that it sort of
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: gains steam really quickly. I don't know if you had
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  Speaker 2: any sense that that would possibly be the case, but it,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: you know, certainly did, and you guys were obviously touring
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit on it and doing well with it,
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  Speaker 2: and so I would imagine that like provided a lot
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  Speaker 2: of momentum going into wanting to record another record, which
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  Speaker 2: obviously ended up becoming The Ever Blow, which you could
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: say probably even gain even more momentum after that, which
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to in a second. But you'd love to
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  Speaker 2: just hear where you felt going into the process of
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: writing that next album, which became The Ever Blow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know.
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  Speaker 4: May was a studio recording project before we were a band,
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  Speaker 4: and so our bass player owned or owned a studio
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  Speaker 4: in our hometown and had recorded my band previous to May.
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  Speaker 4: I was in high school, a senior in high school,
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  Speaker 4: we made a like a full length album as my
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  Speaker 4: first experience doing something like that, so we made Destination Beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: We went back Mark Paget is his name, one of
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  Speaker 4: our best friends and grew up with him, and so
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  Speaker 4: that process was what made May become the band we
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  Speaker 4: were where. Destination Beautiful was an album that we had
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  Speaker 4: made over the course of about two years in gaps
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  Speaker 4: of time when we could make it happen, and so
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  Speaker 4: there was no pressure, there was no Basically the way
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  Speaker 4: we went about doing things was a little bit backwards,
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  Speaker 4: where we weren't playing shows and sort of building a
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  Speaker 4: following and saving, you know, one hundred dollars here and
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  Speaker 4: there to get into the studio. Mark offered free studio time.
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  Speaker 4: Eventually joined the band, and we just quietly made an
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  Speaker 4: album over you like.
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  Speaker 1: About eighteen months or so.
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  Speaker 4: And so by the time we're touring on Destination Beautiful
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  Speaker 4: and kind of slowly experiencing some of the things that
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: make a band a band, it was almost like we
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: were birthing and growing a little bit backwards, are a
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  Speaker 4: little bit delayed. We hadn't had a band's experience of
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: writing music and songs together for an album. We were
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: piecing the band together as we made our first album.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, now we've got Zach and the band
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  Speaker 4: and we've played three hundred shows plus since Destination Beautiful
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  Speaker 4: is released, and so.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting tighter.
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  Speaker 4: We're understanding the energy that we create when we're on
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  Speaker 4: stage together, and we're becoming closer in our relationships, whether
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: it be on purpose or just like you said, the
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: other twenty three hours of the day we're spinning together
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  Speaker 4: in a van and maybe eight guys in one hotel
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: room back then, and eight guys over one cheese pizza.
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  Speaker 4: Eight guys, you know, sharing the driving responsibilities over one
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: thousand miles and we got to get there, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and less than twenty four hours to play another show.
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  Speaker 4: We had gained all these experiences, and so by the
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  Speaker 4: time we're writing and you know, conceptualizing and doing some
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: of the demo recording for the Everglow, we know each
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  Speaker 4: other very well. We know musically, what you know each
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  Speaker 4: of us is, you know, what are our gut reactions
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  Speaker 4: to things, what that's going to be like, and what melodies,
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  Speaker 4: what harmonies kind of come out of Zach first, which
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: ones come, you know, for me first, and so the
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: five of us, Zach, Jacob, Rob Mark, and myself. The
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: ever Glow was like really really easy to make from
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  Speaker 4: what I remember, because as we had that studio experience
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  Speaker 4: of doing it prior to being a five piece with Zac.
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  Speaker 4: But then we made some Destination B sides recordings and
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  Speaker 4: that was really easy for us to keep going. And
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: then we were demoing a lot, demoing suspension, demoing anything
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  Speaker 4: specific songs on The Everglow, you know, really early on.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like I personally believed very much in the songs,
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  Speaker 4: in the concept of The Everglow, in the flow, and
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: the sequence of the album as it was developing.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't know what.
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  Speaker 4: I could say I expected as far as what kind
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: of success would come to the band from the you know,
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  Speaker 4: these new songs in this new album, But I felt
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  Speaker 4: like we were leaning into something that felt like may
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  Speaker 4: And it's I say that because, like I said, since
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: we recorded music first and then we started touring, and
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  Speaker 4: then as soon as we really got our tour legs
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  Speaker 4: and began to travel and play music, we lost our
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  Speaker 4: guitar player, and Zach came in and joined our band,
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  Speaker 4: So there were a lot of, I don't know, just
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  Speaker 4: pauses in the momentum early on, even though we just
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  Speaker 4: stayed on tour and stayed on the road, you know,
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  Speaker 4: for about ten plus months of two thousand and three
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: and two thousand and four. We definitely toured about ten
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: months out of each of those two years, and so
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like the life of the band really
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  Speaker 4: accelerated because of that, because of those touring years and
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: the growth. But I remember like worried about albums leaking
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: back then, you know, Napster and bit torrent sites, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: So all of the bands in our scene we were
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: thriving because of maybe MTV two and Fuse and Warped
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: tour bands just touring together and our scene being under
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the radar but really easy for music lovers to find.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just kind of thought if we could make.
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  Speaker 4: An album that resisted you know, the piracy with its
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: art as opposed to like with any statements, that that
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: was probably going to help us if someone stole the
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: album off the internet, off the dark web and heard
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: that it needed to you know, be accompanied with the
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: booklet that came with the album, and these songs are
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: flowing in an order that you really just want to
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: press play from track one and let it go. Those
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: were things that were creative decisions, but also business decisions.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: We kind of saw the landscape of how music was
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: being purchased and stolen and shared. And we're music fans first,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: so I got to be honest and say that, you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: as a member of a band in the music industry,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I was given and I stole a lot of music
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: myself back then because I was just hungry for it,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and I would end up buying the CD later. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I remember, like when Futures came out by Jimmy World,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: we were on I want to say Warp tour and
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: we were sitting in a bus and like, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: the bands were just celebrating the fact that we all
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: had new music to listen to and we were all
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: really excited about it. And so I wanted to be
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: part of that scene, that community, and I wanted to
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: create music and an album that kind of celebrated what
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: was going on with the band and our story and
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: making a bigger story for all of our listeners. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: so by the time the Everglow was recorded and packaged
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: and out. I kind of felt like it was supposed
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: to grow, and it was supposed to change how people
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: saw the band and how many people knew about the band,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: and it was exciting time and we were all so young,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: so we were full of energy and we're willing.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: To do the work to grow the thing.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from Muzach around like and Dave,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you could speak to this as well. One
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of the things that becomes very, at least for me,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: really noticeable listening from a Destination Beautiful to the Everglow
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: is and maybe you describe it differently than how I'm
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: about to describe it, but it sounds like there's more refinements,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and I would imagine a lot of that is obviously
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: for the band as a whole. You guys have now
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you've got an album under your belt with Destination Beautiful.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You've been recording. I'm sure you all are getting better
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: at your instruments, and you even mentioned like you know
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Mark has you know he does has the producing side
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: of things down, and then Zach obviously adding you to
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the band as well, like you've got you've also got
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this experience, and so there just sounds like refinement. Even
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: just from a production standpoint, there just seems like there's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: more refinement than you hear in Destination Beautiful. That's obviously
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: that's not a knock on Destination Beautiful. It sound and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: it's production quality, I think is part of its charm.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And also you just hear a distinct difference, I think,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: at least in my my my ear. I don't know
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: if you guys hear that, or if that was an
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: intentional thing, or if that's just kind of naturally happened
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: because of where you're at in the band in your career,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: but I'd love to hear a little bit more around
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just that what I hear as refinement, And again, maybe
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you describe it differently.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: M I think that, well, I wasn't. I wasn't kind
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: of there for Disent and Beautiful, Right, So, in terms
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: of my experience on the Everglow to that question, I'll
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: name a couple of things. One was the fact that,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you know, while Dave mentioned that we're touring, you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: pretty much constantly NonStop, and so we're kind of thinking
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: through these ideas and some some some of the songs
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that are on the Ever Glow were songs that Dave
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: had had from before. Right, So there are songs that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: are being developed and have already been kind of established,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: as ideas are other songs that are just kind of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: being written while on the road. I think being on
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: tour and and and thinking about songs and what you
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: want to do with songs just involves a different approach
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and a different kind of knowledge you gain while writing
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: these songs and also kind of mixing them with a
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: lot within a live environment. I remember a song like
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: this is the countdown We were Was it Iowa Day
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: or Idaho Idaho?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: In the venue in Boising.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was. It was something I had and it
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: was like this riff I had, and then we started
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: playing it at sound check. It's just that kind of
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: thing where you start playing it live, and by live
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I mean together like loud, like you're at a show.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Then you're just kind of like you understand how it
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: sounds in a different way than you would understand how
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: something might sound if you're writing it in your room
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and then going straight to the studio. Right, There's a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: lot more kind of just environmental factors that go into
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: the process of writing, but also these songs were thought
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: over so much while we were on the road. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: by the time he pulled up to the studio in California,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I mean we were, we were The demos had percussion
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: on them, like so there was so much detail already
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: in these songs. So when you see when you talk
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: about refinement, I mean yeah, because we were already to
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: this kind of very kind of almost cosmetic or ornamental
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: part of the production process. Even in our demo phase.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Mark brought a huge computer on the road on our bus.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I think we had a name for it. But I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: remember one time we ever played Warp tour, I want
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: to say, I was in Detroit or something like that,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: and Mark had this thing out in front of the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: bus like demoing on his bass like outside through headphones,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and you know, so we were just so like working
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: all the time. There was a studio in the back
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of the bus and the whole heart you know, so
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: much of our time together were spent focusing on the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: everyone to do. And the final thing I'll say before
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you know Turner over Dave, is that you know did
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: it with Ken Andrews at Energy Studios in North Hollywood,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and so that also, you know, having him there too,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you know. And as Dan will speak to this more too,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I don't remember Ken Andrews being too much of like
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a creative producer on the instrument side. Maybe when you
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: worked on Dave vocally, it was a different, different situation.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: But we're just recording the songs we already had, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Ken pretty much just had to kind of cut out
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I simplify the ideas, simplify the songs, because we had
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: so many ideas that we wanted to try to get
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: down in the studio. He's like, this is so what
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I mean. The verse of Suspension is a perfect example.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: There's probably like four melodies going on during the verse,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: and Dave's vocabili has to fight with that, you know.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: So that was a learning process in itself. But that
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: refinement is just a product of us. Weren't thinking and
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: working on these songs from the time that Death Ension
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Beautiful was released up until we start recording the Every Glow,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: So we were just kind of locked in in a
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: very special way. I remember playing anything for the first
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: time live. I was a Virginia tech Dave with homegrown
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you know, just just weird, you know. I remember being
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: so nervous because, you know, things like that, But we
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: understood what the songs felt like live, and then that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: just kind of staged and it was like, Okay, well,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: this is how we can approach it this in the studio.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Let's approach it this way. So, yeah, I don't know.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I think it was just it wasn't a light bulb situation.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It was just a matter of over the months of
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: year and a half or two years, we just thought
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: about these songs constantly and got to plan some and
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: it just kind of came out in the studio when
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: we recorded Love That.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just remember that, you know, going back to
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Destination Beautiful being more of a studio experiment when it
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: came to the recording and the arranging and the the
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: production and the composition. You said it, Mason about how
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: it kind of had its own charm, and that's what
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: made Destination Beautiful, you know work, is that this band
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: kind of made it themselves and you could tell but
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: it sounded better than it should and it was a
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: little bit less than.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: What it could be.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: So we would just walk into the studio, say one
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: weekend a month or so, and we we would execute
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: our ideas, but we weren't playing shows and we weren't touring,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: and we weren't even really rehearsing all that much. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: you know, you don't come up with nine different ideas.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: You can in the overdub world, But in two thousand
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: and one, in two thousand and two, a bunch of
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: teenagers and early twenty year olds.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Don't have ideas for days.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It's like, once that one guitar idea works, then you
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: move on and you start working on the vocals. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: then when the vocals done, you know, there's not a
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: lot of doubling and three and four part harmonies. It's
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: just like you do what feels good and what comes
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: out of you, and you check in with your bandmates
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: and you just you know, record and move on. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: so with The ever Glow, we just played together all
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: the time, and so I learned more about my bandmates musicality.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I learn more about my musicality, and I think we overindulged.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: And like Zach said, if you look at if you
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: look at The ever Glow suspension verse two, you've got
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: a Zach guitar melody. You've got a Dave guitar melody.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: You've got a Rob piano melody. You've got a lot
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of bass movement, and sometimes it works so well that
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: we made fans, and sometimes we go back and you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: kind of listen to like whoa, there's way too much
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: going on here in the harmony melody world. And we
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: overcompensated when we made Singularity. I know we're talking about
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: the Everglow today, but when we made Singularity, as we
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: were writing that, we were writing more of a five
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: piece than ever before, and we were saying, if we
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: can't pull it off live, let's like, let's change the riff.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: If we need to overdub riffs, let's write a riff
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: that combines the two ideas into one. We were listening
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: to our favorite alternative bands of the early mid nineties
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: when we were making Singularity, and so we went in
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the other direction from overdub, overdubbed melody, melody melody, to
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: let's play it like a five piece, doing it live,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: like Pearl Jam would have done, like Nirvana would have done.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: And so we were just I think, really eager and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: had so many ideas from playing so much music together
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: over that period of time that if it sounds refined
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: to you, I think we just knew each other well
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: enough to refine ourselves a bit, and we were over eager,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: over zealous, and over indulging, and I'm just putting out
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: a ton of melody and harmony everywhere. Like Zach said,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I remember, we did have percussion on our demos that
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: we showed Ken Andrews for.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: The ever Glow.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: We did have two and three part vocal harmonies and
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: all these guitar parts.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So I feel like Ken was.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: A little bit overwhelmed with us, like we were so
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: ready to just execute every single idea we had, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: he needed to say, hey, you know, these are good ideas,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: but you have too many of them, So we need
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: to figure out lyrically, melodically, rhythmically, where can everything shine
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: more if we reduce as well. That was one of
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: his big contributions. He contributed, you remember, Zach, like some
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: really cool background vocal ideas. He played some guitar for us,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: like a bunch of ethereal guitar stuff that like on
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Sun and the Moon play now a part that Ken
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: was the originator for that creative idea, So like he
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: really joined in with us and did what he could
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: as a producer and as a fellow musician. But I
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: think we took up so much space in that room
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: that he was only able to do so much with
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: us because we were pretty sure of ourselves and our
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: ideas at that point.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember one time or during the of the recording,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: what you know, speaking of just kind of like being so,
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: you know, to say that we had Timo whitis in
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the ever Blow was kind of probably an understatement, just
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: because you know, in our minds, the songs were more
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: than demos. They were pretty much just look, we have
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the songs, let's record the songs here, you know. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I remember that we were recording breakdown or showing Kim breakdown,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: and he had this idea. He kind of went pretty
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: substantial compositional change or kind of make make the verse
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: like a minor feel rather than a major field whatever.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into the weis in terms
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: of that, but it was just a pretty big suggestion
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: and art to us. We're just like, we never experienced
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: that before. We really didn't know how to handle it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: We kind of went outside and talked about it is
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: like what do we do because we didn't we didn't
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: go with the idea. We kind of stuck to what
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: we what the song was but I think that that
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: kind of like antidote speaks to the fact that we
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: had written these songs over you know, two years or
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: longer for in some cases, we got to the studio
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: when we knew everything we wanted to do or what
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: had to be done, and then we were like excited
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to do more once we got you know. Yeah, let's
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: not funny, you know, but there wasn't much like deliberation.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I think maybe in a certain way, we just had
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: had these songs ready and we were excited, and we
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: had been playing a lot, so we you know, we
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: performed pretty well for the most part. And I'm trying
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: to think myself, Yeah, we used to band. I was
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: kind of firing.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I remember, I don't know if you were eating sushi yet,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: but I was very new to sushi myself. But do
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you remember that Ken took us to Nazawa with money
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: that he saved by us getting out of Energy Studios
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: a day early. So basically Ken treated us to this
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: awesome sushi spot where you don't even order, you're just
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: you know, given what's fresh and what's good on the
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: menu that day. But he took us to that spot
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: specifically because we gifted him by plowing through our days
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: at the big rented studio that wasn't something he owned,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: but he was using recording budget money to rent the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: space out so we could do drums, big guitars, piano, bass,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: et cetera.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: We went to his.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Home studio to track my vocals since percussion, acoustics, stuff
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: like that. Some of the acoustics actually we did over energy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: But my point is we were full of ideas. We
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: had so many to execute, and we still plowed through
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: all of them and had remaining time in the studio
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: that we could have used. But we just were very
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: well prepared. And Ken celebrated that and gifted us a
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: really really great sushi dinner because we finished all of
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: our ideas with a bunch of time to spare and
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: saved him probably like fifteen hundred dollars or something.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: That's like probably the opposite experience for producers, Like I'm
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: sure most bands are probably just like spending way too
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: much time. They're like, you know, they're they're definitely what's
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the what's the term for it, Like they're they're anyway, they're, yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: they're they're just like taking away too much time.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not because we had a great time in
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the studio. It's alid I rushing to get out of
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: there like that was. To this day, It's probably my
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: favorite recording experience that I've been been a part of,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: just because the vibe was all positive at the time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: The studio itself was stocked all the time, this big lounge.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: We would just going there. It was always talked in
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: the morning for breakfast. He'll just the experience you always
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: imagine as a kid when you think about recording for
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: you know, a bandon being a situation where you're in
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: the studio and I you know, so it's not like
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: we were we were on a time crunch. We're just
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: doing what we were doing, and then still kind of
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: came out with some times spare. Unfortunately I was not
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: eating suitship at the time, which is so funny to
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: think about what a missed opportunity. I think I went
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: to in and out with with Jim.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Poor decisions, poor decisions.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I haven't making up since.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: David. You mentioned this briefly, but I'd love to dive
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: more into it, and I would imagine you maybe were
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: more of the mastermind behind this, but maybe the most
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: unique or distinct thing about the ever Glow is that
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it is sort of like a story book. You know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like even the way that you're supposed to experience the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: album is you're like you're flipping through the pages of
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the booklet that came with the album. You know, obviously
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: at the very beginning, there's kind of this little like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: introduction of like it kind of reminds me of like
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a children's storybook of like when you hear this sound,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you turn this page kind of thing. And the obviously
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: even there's the epilogue, and so it's meant to be
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like very story and even like borderline like book driven,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Like it's meant to be this kind of like tangible
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: type of experience, and it makes the ever Blow very distinct.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I think again it adds to part of the charm.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And you know, whether people are probably listening to it
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that way or not anymore, you know, I would doubt
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are doing that on Spotify, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: it did really create this really unique element, and I'm
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: just curious, like, you know, it sounds like part of
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the reason for it was this kind of reaction against
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: the the illegally downloading albums that were that was happening
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: at the time, but I would imagine it was more
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: than that, Like I would imagine there were other reasons
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: why you wanted to take that kind of creative approach
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: to a album.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, uh so since I was really young, I've
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: always wanted to be musician. I've always wanted to be
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: a songwriter. I was a drummer in my first band
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: when I was about fourteen years old, and I joined
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: that band and we played a house party that same
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: night and just opened up for me.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I wanted to play music my whole life.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I wanted to express with songwriting as soon as I know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: before I could play an instrument or write a clever,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: honest lyric, I just wanted it. I wanted, you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: to experience it. All I loved was music and bands.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And so by the time The Everglow is being written
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and conceptualized, I'm in that band and I am playing music,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: traveling not only the country but the world in part
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: with my friends, and every day is an adventure and.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: So much magic. And it reminded me when I was
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: a kid.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I used to read these books on tape, and I
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: could read really well when I was a kid, but
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I had these story books that came with cassette tape.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I put the cassette and the player and press play
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: and it would start. You go to page one, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: maybe it would be a series of like Disney books,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Peter Pan and Dumbo and etc. Bamby I remember, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: the voice who would read along would say, in case
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you were a kid and you were young, and you're
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: reading and might struggle here and there, it would be
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: a way to get you to stay on course. It
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: would say, you'll know it's time to turn the page
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: when you hear the chimes ring like this, and then
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: it would you give a chime sample, and then every
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: page at the end, it would play the chimes and
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: you'd know, Okay, let's go to the next page. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: so there was something very magical about that, and it
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: was a way to connect the dots. If we took
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: the songs that we were writing together as a band
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: and put them in a particular sequence, it would kind
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: of be like going through a journey of self discovery.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm kind of in this place that
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be here, and I want to
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: grow and I want to develop and I want to
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: express and by the end, you've got songs like anything
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: and Ready and Waiting to Fall The Everglow at the
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: end of our album. At the beginning, you have these
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: kind of like we're so far away someone else's arms,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: this is the countdown, painless like kind of these songs
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: that are showing like a desire for more. But I
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: struggle to kind of overcome the obstacles right in front,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: and that was getting out of Virginia for me. That
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: was growing up kind of in this misplaced I was
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: just kind of floundering around when I was in high
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: school and in college with family, with friends, with safety
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and security with the church I was needing to get
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: out of.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I really was trying.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: To find my own way, and I found my own
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: way with my bandmates and my baby and songwriting, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: so the Everglow was an expression of that and the desire,
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the idea to make it about, you know, sort of
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: this journey listening to the album and its entirety reading
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: along with the booklet you know our band is multi
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: sensory aesthetic experience, so I think early on it was
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: also an encouragement to try to do something that felt
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: like we were tapping into just more than one of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the senses. This is something you're going to listen to,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: but it's something you're going to read along with as well.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: And May, having been our drummer, Jacob his idea multi
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: sensory aesthetic experience, we weren't really doing anything to.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: You know, lean into that so much.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: So making the album this experience, this story, reading along
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: with a book, it felt like May, it felt like me,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: it felt like us, It felt like the right thing
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to do in the industry with technology all at once.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: So Ken was mixing in Motion by Copeland at the
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: same time, right yeah, right, right as he was making
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: our album in the studio, he was receiving the files
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: for Emotions so he could and I remember that it
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: was like under Oath had released something and it had
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: or it was about to be released, and it leaked prematurely,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: and they were saying that some of these emotion songs.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Ken was saying, you know, like, you know, he'd share
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: them with us. He trusted us, He knew that we
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: were great friends with Copeland as well. But there was
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: this this concern, this hesitation to share music during that
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: time because you know how easy it could you know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: get pirated, et cetera. So that was really really strong
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: in our minds. While we were making the album, our
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: friends had an album. It sounded amazing and it was
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: getting mixed by our producer, and we were already proud
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of what they were making and we didn't want to
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: see it get stolen. We had friends on our record
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: label that had just had some of their music get stolen.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: And at that time, when you're a band that tours,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: it doesn't have radio play. You make your mark when
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: you sell your records first week, and that number shows up,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: and all of the fans that have been going to shows, festivals, etc.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: They all congregate and by your album, and so it
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: was important for May, just like it was important for
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Copeland or under Oath to have a week's worth of
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: debut sales that would, you know, get other people's attention.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: And we learned that just from being told that by
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: our management and by our record label, et cetera. So
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: we were playing the game a little bit. But if
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: we were going to play the game, we'd play it creatively.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: And so that's why we all agreed that it would
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: be a cool thing to make the ever Glow the
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: title of a book and the title of the story,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: and the title of the album and kind of you know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: neatly packaged it together. We also have to give a
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: shout out to uh Asterisk Studios, you know, the Clark brothers.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: What's their other thing that they did or like what's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: the name zact of their UH firm for uh, well,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: not not just their band because they're they're in Demon Hunter, right,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: but they all they also have h is it just
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: called ask Studios or did they have like Invisible Creature.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: So these guys are doing a lot of album artwork.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: They did they nominated like multiple times for some of
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: their stuff.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, they did Echoes, Silence Patients and Grace I think
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: by the Food Fighters. They did Dejon Tendu by Brion
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: New and they illustrated and watercolor painted and then of
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: course did the layout design work for every piece of
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: art on the Everglows. So these guys made our vision
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: visual and we couldn't have had, you know, that level
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: of success if the book and the music didn't really
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: work well together.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And they did an amazing job.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: So if it weren't for Ken, if it weren't for
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Asterisk and Invisible Creature, and then of course it wasn't
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: for you know, the band doing what we did for
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: about two years, it would have been a different ever
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: glow all together.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is such a it's such a unique way
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to engage with an album. I don't know if I've
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: ever really experienced an album quite like. I mean, maybe
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: there's something else out there that's similar, but I've I've
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: never quite experienced an album where it has that sort
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: of storybook feeling which is just so cool. Yeah, it
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: feel it feels like a creative risk too, Like there
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: is a part of it where it feels like, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the fact that literally the first song in an album
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: is it's literally you being instructed of how to engage
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: with the album. Like that's a that's a creative risk
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: to have a song that's literally a dedicated song that
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: tells you how to actually listen to the album. So
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: there's parts of it where it probably feels pretty risky.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: But again, I clearly it was executed well. And that's
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: not even just kind of my weird niche a little
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: like weird music fan part of me. But I think
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: like generally people really appreciated it, and obviously it became
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: as successful as it did, I think largely due to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that it was a unique take on an album.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I think there's a kind of refreshing intentionality that kind
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: of comes through on the record. Is not something that
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: we shied away from. Once we made a decision about
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: how we wanted the record, what we what we wanted
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: for the record, We didn't try to kind of obscure
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: it in any way or dial it back in any way,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: because I guess that's kind of to your point, Mason,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and I guess I'm thinking about after the instructions is
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, the first song or So Far Away is
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: just you know, super theatrical, and it's the first song
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: on the record, and you know, it's looking back and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: thinking about the band at the time, having the confidence
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: just to go ahead and do something like that considering
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: what was going on all the time with other music
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: kind of in our scene quote unquote. I think that
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: helps the album kind of maintain it's staying power that
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: you know, we've been so fortunate to kind of, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: engage with our fans over the years based on this
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: record and it still kind of has this meaning to people.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: And of course that kind of if you're a fan
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: of the band or a fan of any band, you're
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: going to have these records from the past that's still
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: kind of hold connection to you. But we've been fortunate
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: enough to experience that as well. And I think it
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: all has to do or old least has, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: in part to do with those decisions that we made,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the stylistic decisions that we made in terms of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: concept and how the concept matched was expressed sonically and
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: visually on that record.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Kind of along those lines, act, I'm curious what you
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: all think of when you think maybe legacy of that glow.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: You know, day before before you popped on, Zach mentioned
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: something along the lines of, like you kind of know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: like every maybe like every handful of years, you start
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: getting calls about, all right, can we do an anniversary
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: tour of the ever Glow, you know, like whether it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the ten year or fifteen year. Obviously last year being
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the twenty year, I'm sure here in four years you
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: guys are gonna continue to get calls and do a
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: twenty five year, right, And so there's clearly like and
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you're getting asked to do this, right, and so there's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: something about the staying power or legacy of the ever Glow,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm curious for both of you like, how do
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: you think about that? Like, do you do you have
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: like a sense of like, yeah, this this album, it
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: might not even be your favorite may album being a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: person in the band, but I'm curious, just like, clearly
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: this album has had an impact on a lot of people,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and there's a reason why people, why you know, booking
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: agents are still reaching out and asking you to play
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: this album in its entirety twenty years later.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're really lucky to be, you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: musicians in a band from the era and the scene
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: that we are a part of. You know, I don't
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: believe this is true that, you know, the Rolling Stones
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: in the mid eighties were playing the twentieth anniversary of
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: you know, one of their albums. This is something that
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: kind of just sprung up in the last decade. This
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: is like a COVID like a post COVID or a
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: pre and a post COVID thing. And you know, you've
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: seen bands like The Postal Service and Death Cab for Cutie,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: you know, do a full world tour essentially playing twenty
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: year old albums, and then it seems like every every
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: band is capable of doing that. I feel like we
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: got lucky, you know, to be in the era of
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: the Internet, the era of pre streaming, where people were
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: still going to Pandora very rarely to discover bands. They
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: were using flyers that they would see at not skating rinks,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: but just like skate skateboard. What am I trying to say, Like, basically,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: you go to your local record store, you'd go to
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: a skate park, you'd go, you know, to a VFW
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: hall or something, and you'd find a band that way.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: And that's that's the scene that we were a part of.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: We played so many shows because touring was really the
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: way for us to make new fans.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: It's just by.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Showing up, Zach, what's that that skate park that we
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: played with Unsung Zeros back in like Melbourne, Florida or
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: someplace like that, And.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I think I think it was Fort Myers for Myers
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like these shows are happening at one pm
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: on a Saturday at a skate park. And so when
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: you grow up with that and you see that your
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: favorite bands were doing the same thing. Jimmy World was
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: doing the same thing, Sunnydia Real Estate was doing the
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: same thing, it just felt like we were part of
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: something that was bigger than us and that yet we
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: could contribute to and grow with.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, the legacy of the Everglow.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of people have Everglow artwork tattooed,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: ever Glow lyrics tattooed on their bodies. They'll pick a
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: song and make it, you know, the song that a
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: bride walks down the aisle to. These are things that
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: we never ever would have expected. We never would have
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: thought we could play the album twenty years later, partner
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: up with you know, another band and do a co
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: headline run and sell out a bunch of shows, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: you know, still have this impact. I'm grateful because there
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: are plenty of twenty year old albums that I'll put
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: on right now and no skips. I think, you know,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: some of my favorite albums all time. It kind of
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: goes out saying, but they don't have skips. We were
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: trying to make an album that would flow, you wouldn't
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: want to skip. Every song could be potentially some may
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: fans favorite song, whether it be this is the Countdown
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: or the Ocean or Sun in the Moon, the slow ones,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: the you know, the riffy guitar rock ones. It didn't
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: really matter because I think we were just in the
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: zone and we were trying to make every song as
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: good as we knew how to write a song back then,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: and I think there was just a ton of honesty.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: So if it sticks around, it was like this youth,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: youthful honesty, this excitement, this trepidation, all the things that
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: you know, someone especially Kazak and I are about a
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: year and two months or so, three months apart in age,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: but we both would have been twenty one and twenty two,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: twenty two and twenty three, and our bandmates were, you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: most of them, we were close to the same age,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: so we're young and just quite naive and really really enthusiastic,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: and it just stuck around.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: But a lot of those albums from that era did.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: If you look at five and the albums from bands
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: that came Mountain O five, four three, those are really
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: powerful years for music in our scene especially, and we
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: had good competition.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: We had.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: You know, we're touring with these bands, we're opening up
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: for a band like something corporate or brand new or
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: the starting line, these bands that are also putting out
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: albums every two years or so, and we're seeing how
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: they've grown and how their fan base has grown. And
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: they're playing this room now when they come through and
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: you know, play la and it's twice the size of
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: the room they played last time. It's like we're seeing
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: all of our friends in Motion City Soundtrack and the format,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: et cetera just grow.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And so we were.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Wanting to and believing that we were supposed to be
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: part of that trajectory as well. And we were young,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: and we had confidence, and we had good musicians in
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: our band. I mean, Rob is, you know, the best
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: keys player I think out of our scene period, hands down,
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: is like such a great musician. And to be writing
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: the Everglow with a piano player who can you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: destroy a killer piano part in the you know, in
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: the positive sense of the word, you know, That's what
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I mean to say. He's just to be gifted an
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: opportunity to play with a drummer who does not know
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: how to get off the metronome, you know, and a
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: bass player who's so melodic and so rhythmic and so
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: determined to come up with the coolest baseline. That's the
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: band I was in when I was twenty one years old,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: and so it was important for me to show up
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: and do my part two and for a season making
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: music in May was really really easy, and that's the
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: season I think that I also look most fondly on.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Not that those are my favorite songs, you know, I'm not.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm proud of May's catalog through and through, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: we're making an album right now that I'm really excited
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: to finish up and release. But like Zach said, the
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: making of the ever Glow was such a really fun time.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: There was no pressure, and we knew things were growing
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: in and on behalf of the band. So the legacy thing,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I think is just.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: I'd like to hear Zach's thoughts on it, but for me,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: I just I think we're in the right place at
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: the right time, and it shows and the scene has
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: allowed it to stick around like it has.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I it's hard to to kind
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: of take myself out of obviously being in the band
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and making that record and then being able to play
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: these songs this many years later. But if I think
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: about myself and my attitude during those years, you know,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: there's there's very little you know, I just think back
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: on those years very fondly. And I think that within
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: these records, the Everglow in Motion and and you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: other records that they have mentioned, I think people identify,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just like anything else, Like you the records.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Music is able to bring back somewhere, and if you're
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: really happy at that time, then that record's going to
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: stay with you. And I think for fans of May
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: and fancy of the Everglow, I mean that period of
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: my life was was you know, I couldn't I couldn't
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: have asked for a better time. And I think that
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: everyone has these kind of memories attached to this record.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I think the record speaking to Everglow specifically, I think
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: there is this kind of I don't know, there's something
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: to me that feels of the era, but also some
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: of the feels kind of transcendent out as well. It
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: just feels a little bit I mean, not timeless, but
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like the songs don't sound dated at this point.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: And I think that's a quality of a character of
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: the songs. And I think that's also a character of
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: the band or a result of the band. You know,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: we mentioned, you know, the band never really toured or
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the band was kind of writing Our day was writing
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: does Entry Beautiful? Like, you know that process was not
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: necessarily a process of guys in the music scene touring, right,
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: It's one one kid in his bedroom meeting up with
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: some friends on the weekend. Like, I think that there's
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: a an insulation that that kind of helped may maintain
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: an identity that was not too vulnerable to outside influences
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: for people in that age, me in particular, and female
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: very impressionable, and you want to do things and kind
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: of fit in with the scene and fit in with
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: your friends and be with them. And I think that
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: kind of can can become evidenced and sound and the
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: sound of records on the songs and creative decisions. And
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: so this is kind of an abstract thing I always
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: think about because I couldn't really speak to it empirically
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: at all. I just think that how May kind of
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: developed into a band that wrote the Everglow was his right, right,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: combination of like insolarity and being green and also being
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: excited and being talented enough to actually do something that
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: connected with people as they kind of toured. And it's
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: kind of it's just insane to think back of these
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: shows we played, you know, I think the Everglow tour
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: we had support that was Circus Survived, Mutemath. They're supporting,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Like that's an insane thing to me to think about,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: and I say, it's not humbly like these bands have.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Just like you know, Newmath became one of the biggest
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: sensations from you know, into the mainstream, and then Segret
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Survive obviously is still this band is just like crushing
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: it when they do toured. I don't know if I
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: don't know if Fergus Survive is still active, so forgive me.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: You know, they're active and they just got back into it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: But to think about that these three bands on tour
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: and two of them supporting us, you know, it's just
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: one of these things that we were able to be
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: a band that was able to do that, and Everglow,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I think was a was a main vehicle that that
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: got us through the next, you know, into this next
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: stage of being a band that we were part of,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the Tooth and Nail, this really special time with Tooth
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: and Nail, with Amberlin and under Oath and Emory. I
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: want to say as well, but I remember the Tooth
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: and Meal takeover whatever that you know, it was. You know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: there's like this kind of Arab tooth and Nail. I
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: have it south by, Southwest, past around my well, my house,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: every here, I'll we play in two thousand and four
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: or five, and it was just like Emory Me Without You,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Amberlin Show, Bred under Oath, wa Tash you Want. We're
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: just really fortunate also to be on Tooth Nail at
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: a time when when bands just were really kind of
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: hitting the nail on the head pun intended with with
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: you know in that aer, So a lot of grace
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: and a lot of luck, but also just the fact
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: that we were so locked in our world was as
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: small as it was big. I actually say as small
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: as it was expanding, just because you know, we were
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: keeping with each other and a lot of the distractions
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: that that we had to deal with and navigate later on,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: we're not there yet, and so we're just kind of
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: focused on each other and playing shows and having good time.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: So I think that kind of I hear that in
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: the record.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love that you bring up this sort
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: of transcendent quality of the sound of it, because while
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I would imagine a lot of fans of May,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: especially of this album, you maybe sort of associate it
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: with that, like Emo warped to a World, and that's
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: because you guys played in that world. However, if you
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: strip that and let's say you throw it into the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: ether ten years from now, I think those songs still
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: would hold up. You may not associate it, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: ten years from now, if we never knew anything about
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: the Emo world or whatever warped to a world, you
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: may not associate it with that ten years from now.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: But it is. I think it's because there is this
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: transcendent quality to the songs that don't feel overly dated.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: They I don't think you guys were like doing the
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: sort of cliche emo things that maybe other emo bands
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: were doing at the time, and so because of that,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: it does have this more, yeah, transcendent quality that I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: just really think is great and lovely, and yeah, it's
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: part of the reason why I just, yeah, I think
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the album it sounds beautiful. I think that's a good
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: way to describe it. Sounds beautiful. It sounds luscious at times,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: even I don't know if that's a way that you
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: would describe it, but yeah, there's just so many like
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: qualities to it that just make it feel like this beautiful, luscious,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: even at times pretty album. So all right, well before
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: we dive into bands on paper, you shouldn't, you should
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: like but you don't. And then the inverse of that, Dave,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: you just threw a bomb out there that I think
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: people need to know about. But it sounds like there's
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: new music coming out in the world.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, we've been working on this album for way too long,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: but going to be called The Human Heart and it
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: will be coming out on Equal Vision Record. Yes, this
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: is our first time making new music with a new
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: label that isn't in the tooth and nail emi world,
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: you know, since we started. So we've got a lot
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: of friends who put out there albums on Equal Vision
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: over you know, the last thirty years or so. And
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: we partner with EVR to put out vinyl versions of Destination,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: Beautiful and The Everglow in the last several years. So
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: The Human Heart, it's you know, may still trend to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: tap into it and do our best and you know
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: express and you know, a twenty one, twenty two year
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: old writing songs with his bandmates when they're you know,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: pilot into a van over and over again. It's quite
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: different than a you know, a forty four year old
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: and a forty five year old, two dads, one married
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: for you know, over a decade, one divorced over the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: last few years. There's real life that happens that's different
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: from you know, the excitement and the wide eyed, sort
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: of fantastical version of the way I saw things when
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: I was you know, making the Everglow with the May guys.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: And so I really look forward to this album and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: it's lyrical honesty, and it's musical kind of honesty. I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: feel like, after writing a lot of songs for May
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: and a lot of albums for May over the last
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: you know, twenty five years, almost I want to write
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: an album of songs for May fans based on what
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I know May sounds like, has sounded like, what May
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: has tackled lyrically, and what it feels like to be
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: you know, emotional humans in twenty twenty six. And so
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: I'm really excited and proud to get this album finished
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: and get it out into the world and hopefully find
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: a bunch of new May fans, and find a bunch
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: of May fans who might call our next album their
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: favorite so far.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Love it? Where are you at? In the process, it
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: sounds like you're finishing the album up does that mean
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: like mixing mastering part of the process, so you're still
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: recording stuff? And then also do you have any any
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: expected date at this point?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the answer is all of the above.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: Some songs are finished, some songs haven't anything beyond just
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: like the recorded drums, so you know.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Some of the songs have just.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: You know, a few hours worth of tweaking to say
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: that everybody's happy with where it's at and now let's go,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: let's go mix and master this thing. And then the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: other part as well. We don't have finished lyrics for
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: this chorus yet, so it's kind of spread all over
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: the place. But it's a conversation that happens too often
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: in our camp, which is how much longer until this
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: freaking things time?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So it needs to be.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Done for the sake of respect and sanity and planning
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: and partnering up. You know, Zach and I play with
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: some of our you know, favorite musicians and friends when
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: we hit the road, and we were supposed to do
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: a few things this year that we've canceled since because
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: we're trying to finish the album instead. So it's kind
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: of interrupted some of our plans. And you know, if
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: we had promoters selling tickets to some shows that we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: were doing and then we had to cancel, then you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: it's kind of interrupted things here and there.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: But basically, I.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Would love to say that the album will be finished
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: in the next like two months, and maybe it'll come
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: out in the next six to eight months.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, hey Mason, So when you asking me how soon
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: will be don withan dissertation, it's kind of like the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: same as asking Dave about an album.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: When's like I've been asked.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I've been asking Zach for years, like are you almost done?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: And he's like, well, and then Zach's like, hey, what's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: going on with the album? Is it almost done? I'm like, well,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: like I miss having Zach. I miss having Zach like
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: close to me for for like hangs and and band making,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: band member making decisions.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: But like I.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: Have to say that it would just be nice if
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: we could finish the album and move forward, because it's
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: really difficult at times to you know, have discussions about
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: an album when we live so.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Far apart and.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm talking to you guys from a studio,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: but the studio is mine. But it's many times not mine.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, just like other artists coming and record here,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: and other producers work out of here and stuff. So sometimes,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: you know, I might think that we're gonna make some
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: serious progress on the album, but it would be nice
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: if we just had like a season or two a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: week here, a week there, where we just plowed through
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: and all of the members and musicians and creative forces
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: got into the room together when we finished it. So
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: it'll happen soon.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, Zach. It's like, you know, you're planning
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: on writing five thousand words and next thing you know,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: you've just only been researching for those five hours.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: No, that's yeah, we're gonna record a guitar part, and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: we're just trying to find a sound, you know, in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the studio with so many toys. So hey, may EP
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: coming out soon. Nope, I'm just breaking all love it.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited. I'm excited anytime there's new main music
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: in the world. I'm just a big fan. So all right,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: let's dive into so the two prompts. So one is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: a band on paper that you should like but for
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, you can get into and then we'll do
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: the inverse. So ban on paper that maybe you shouldn't like,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: but for whatever reason you do. So, Zach, do you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: want to go first? I know, I know, I brought
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: this up a lot, you know, about over an hour ago. Now,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: So what's a band on paper that you should like?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: But Jase, you just can't get into. It doesn't mean
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: that they're a bad banner anything. It just means you
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: just can't get into them.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: No, for sure, I'll do a couple of them. I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: think the first band that comes to mind, because I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: still try to hear something about me. If I'm not
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: into a band at the time, I'll I'll still make
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: you think I might become a fan of the band
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: at at some point in my life. Just is gonna
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: have to take the right listen at the right time,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: the right the right song. So I still have hope
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: that I will become a sonic youth fan. On paper
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: that band is supposed to be right in my alley,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: but I just have not had the right listen. There
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: are songs I like, but as a band, and I mean,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I'll just tell another Dinosaur Junior, another band I've tried, Yeah,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: I just cannot has not aligned with me yet. So
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: those two bands are the first that come to mind.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: And I'll keep trying, you know, I'm just gonna they
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: have a lot of records that I can just you know,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: put on and see if it works, but so far
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: has not worked yet.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that those are great. Those are great picks,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I toltally. I get it for both of those. So yeah, Dave,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: what's a band on paper or maybe a couple of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: bands on paper that you should like but you just
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: can't get into.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: For me, it's certain bands that predated the scene that
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: may is a part of that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Some of these like.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: The Smiths, I don't I don't have a connection to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: Morrissey like some of my my friends do. I never
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: got into Fugazi.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's some of these bands that you would
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: think that, you know, if you grew up in the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: scene and you liked you know, old Sunny Day real Estate,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: then you'd get into you know, like the Rights of
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Spring and Fugazi and some of these, Like you know,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: there are a lot of bands that a band like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: death Cap for QT will mention, you know, Ben Gibbard
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: will mention you know, these bands that would have you know,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have made it without those artists influencing his songwriting,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: and those those bands didn't make impressions on me.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I grew up in.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: This weird world as a kid born in nineteen eighty
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: two with divorced parents. I was either listening exclusively to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: Christian music or I was hiding, you know, in my
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: walkman listening to Rage Against the Machine and Snoop Doggie
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: Dog in nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety three, and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: so I kind of missed the boat. And then there's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: like some classic rock bands that I just don't really
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: get into. Like there might be a Pink Floyd song
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: or two that I think is pretty great, but there's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: also just the idea of a Pink Floyd and their
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: whole catalog that doesn't really didn't really sit with me.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: And you might think otherwise, because oh, you have some
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: of these journey songs that like, you know, they seem change.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I listen to Beatles, and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: I listened to Paul McCartney's like Band on the Run,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: but I wasn't getting into you know, these opuses, ope
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: I opuses. But yeah, so like some of those some
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: of those bands that you might think someone like Dave
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: for may be into like a Fugazi or even a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: Pink Floyd. I just I never did, never did.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: That's I get that.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I just was talking to Greg for Me without you,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: and he was like, just can't get into led Zeppelin,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: like just He's like, I understand why they're so important,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: but just can't get into them. So I get that,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: all right, So let's do the inverse quick then. So
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: a band on paper that maybe you wouldn't be expected
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: to like, or you'd be a little somebody be surprised
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: that you like, but for whatever reason, you're just like,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: they are one of my favorites.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't. I don't know. I I I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: wonder if Dick was for me, but I'm not gonna
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: put that on him. I can give you a song
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: that I like that I shouldn't like at all? Is that?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Is that like a compromise and I'm gonna you're gonna
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: have to allow me to caveat it afterwards. Okay, I'm
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: gonna say that. There's that Post Malone and Morgan Wolden song.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, I uh something about help I need
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: some help.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: By myself.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my Buddy Logan and I will be in is like,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: you know, studio will just like listen to songs and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: we just like jam after that song. Now the caveat
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: is Morgan Wallen is a racist, and I need to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: say that. I understand, but that's I and I'm not
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: a I'm not a post Malone fan either. Uh So
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: that song, those two artists on this country song, I
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: would not put that on my my. I don't know
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: what they.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Call it, You're guilty pleasure list?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: I know the signs the never mind. I can't think
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  Speaker 3: of what I'm thinking of the I'm a I'm a tourist.
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  Speaker 3: What is that astrology?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, like your zodiac sign.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I wouldn't put that like that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: that's not my radar so that but if that song
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  Speaker 3: comes on, I'm just like, don't change it yet.
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard have you heard Post Malone cover Nirvana?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And it's pretty good. You know, he does a pretty
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: good I remember that, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: That was the COVID thing. And I remember Travis Barker
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  Speaker 3: played drums. Yeah, that was fun. That was cool. And
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  Speaker 3: that's the thing. Post Mellow's ability to you know, genre
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  Speaker 3: switch is pretty impressive and not a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: get get get the ability to do that if you
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  Speaker 3: get catch my drift. But yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That's but he can't be in a hard and an
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  Speaker 2: indie pop band and still do it. So what does
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  Speaker 2: he have on Zach.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's have a great conversation on genre. No, But
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what I could say right now because
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  Speaker 3: I had her heart to think about a band that
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  Speaker 3: I like. I'm not gonna say Casey Musgraves, but I
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  Speaker 3: think that's not too that you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think her sound of country music is too
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure this is a conversation of my brain's
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  Speaker 3: working too fast now. But I do like Casey Musgraves
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  Speaker 3: a lot, and so maybe that in the sense that
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  Speaker 3: she's unders is a country artist, Yes, she's.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that for a guy who shares lead,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: vocal and riff writing responsibilities in a band called Demons.
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  Speaker 4: For you to also, uh know, so many Taylor Swift
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  Speaker 4: lyrics for you to know like some of the uh
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: like old school Marine five, like super pop songs that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: you like. You are a huge Sean Mayer fan and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: John Mayer is a great guitar player, a great lyricist,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: a great songwriter, et cetera. But I don't think a
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: lot of people would expect you to have so much
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: John Mayer listening experience in your catalog.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: You know, I do love John Mayer. Jean Mayor, what's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: that one guy has? He's like this the Spanish John
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Mayor on one more that accounts really funny. Yeah, I'm
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: a big Jean Mayer fan. And that's a good point. Yeah,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I he's just really good. I think the songs are good.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: And I also will recognize that, you know, on the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: douchebag meter, he he topped it out sometimes depending on
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: what average on there. And we're talking about fully recognize it.
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  Speaker 3: Except that so we don't even.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Have to bring Taylor Swift in her you know, potential issues.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, you know, just we just got to find joy
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  Speaker 3: wherever we can these days because it's few and far between.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of complexity with a lot of
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: these things. But yeah, so that's some artists that I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: shouldn't like on paper, but I do. I can get into.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: But day know it's your term.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: Oh uh okay, So for me, it's probably bands like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: are artists like Anderson pack uh Leisure.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Like more R and B stuff. Yeah, I love hip hop,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it's.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Kind of hard to get into this guy now, but Kanye.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Everybody's a Kanye fan until you know. I guess like
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: we both we both picked a racist individual sadly Zach
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: as someone that we like but don't want too many
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: people to know. I think, you know, Kanye did some
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: amazing stuff for years and years, and I'm finding it
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: interesting that, like you know, sometimes you have to cancel
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: or you don't have to, but there's some canceling that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: happens with people and artists and then kind of open
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: up their catalog, Like you know, Michael Jackson was kind
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: of canceled for a while and now there's a bio pic.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: And I listened to Off.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: The Wall and Thriller back to back just about two
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: days ago on a drive on a long drive. So
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: for me, it's gonna be more hip hop, R and B, funk, soul,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff people probably wouldn't expect from me.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I'm half Puerto Rican, so I've got a lot of Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: i am. My dad's full blooded.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Puerto Rican and his parents, my grandparents watched Spanish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and and my my my grandfather passed about a week
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: prior to.
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  Speaker 2: Fan over here. He watched the alternative halftime show.
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  Speaker 4: He did, he was watching the turning Point us A
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: halftime show and just loving it when Kid Rock was
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: on there just not lip syncing.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: But yeah, here's the thing more fan that's like, no, no,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I'm almost sweating over here now. I'm just like you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: but that was my the turning point alternative to the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: halftime show.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my my grandparents would have loved. My grandfather if
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: he would have you know, lived about two extra weeks
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: and was present for it, he would have loved seeing
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: Puerto Rican artists perform you know, ninety percent of a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: halftime super Bowl show in Spanish. They spoke Spanish in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: the home all the time, and so growing up on
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: that I got access to you know, cultural music and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: music that would make you dance. They would rent out
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: a room at the rec center once a month and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: all the family would come in and they just like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: salsa dance together. And I have some of those fond memories.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: So yeah, like there's like, you know, types of music
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: that get your body moving. That's something that I've always
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: loved and probably a lot of people don't know about me.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, any salsa songs in the New May album all salsa.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: It's all salsa.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Nice, Yeah, medium, extra hot, you know we got all
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: the salsae.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, love it well, Thank you guys so much for
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: chatting about the twentieth anniversary of The Ever Blow. It's
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: just so exciting to know that that album still has
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: certainly the impact that it does on me as well
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: as so many you know, thousands upon thousands of people
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: that have loved that album through the years. So such
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: an important album, and so I just really am grateful
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: that you both decided to chat with me and more
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Mason, thanks for having us man, It's always good
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: to see you.