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Prison to Phone and Back to Prison Pipeline with La'Ron Hines · Scam Goddess

• 0:18
  Speaker 1: What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 2: Scam God, is back with another installment of the podcast
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  Speaker 2: all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: we love them. Sometimes we hate them. One thing's for sure,
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  Speaker 2: we might laugh at the scammer, but we'll never laugh
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  Speaker 2: at the victims of the scam. This is a comedy show.
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  Speaker 2: I do need to remind people of that from time
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  Speaker 2: to time. Congregation, if you're not new here, you already know. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: call in action.
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  Speaker 1: We're very what?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, excited, thrilled, elated. The world might be burning. but
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  Speaker 2: we are still finding a way to laugh as we
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: inhale the carbon monoxide. All right, y'all. Today, I am
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  Speaker 2: so lucky to have this guest. He is a dear
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine. He is a super talent, and I'm
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: sure you've seen him every single place. Leron Hines is
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  Speaker 2: a multifaceted lifestyle and entertainment creator known for his viral series,
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: Are You Smarter Than a Preschooler? And in today's world,
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  Speaker 2: in which.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: Are you smarter than a preschooler? Is where Leron Hines
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  Speaker 2: interviews both children and celebrities such as Stoop Dogg, Taraji P.
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  Speaker 1: Henson and Barack Obama.
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  Speaker 2: His content has earned him recognition as a top creator
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  Speaker 2: by Forbes and Rolling Stone.
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  Speaker 1: Leron, thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. Thank you for having me. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I just realized as I was sitting here. I have
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  Speaker 3: been on three different versions of Scam Goddess. Really? I
• 1:40
  Speaker 3: did the audio one when I was over Zoom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Then we did the one last year.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, in person.
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  Speaker 3: In person. Yeah. We were at another office, but now
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  Speaker 3: I'm in this set.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Now we have a set.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're here.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm growing with the show.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's my scam. That's the scam, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Have you on a little speed dial, hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For the rest of your, you know, extremely successful career.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, if scam got his call, I'm picking up every time.
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  Speaker 1: You at the Met Gala and be like, I'm outside. No,
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  Speaker 1: just open the back door.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm in theme.
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  Speaker 3: As long as you're in theme. If you're in a thing,
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  Speaker 3: we can work. We can work this out. I'll talk
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  Speaker 3: to Ann.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to pull up a chair at your table.
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  Speaker 3: $ 30, 000 to play?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to just give me the saucer.
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  Speaker 3: Lacey, by that point, we're going to both be at
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  Speaker 3: the Met Gala together.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to sneak in just once.
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  Speaker 3: Dressed by Gucci. Oh, love it. Or anybody, if they're
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  Speaker 3: not canceled at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever's not canceled at that time.
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  Speaker 2: Which could be no one.
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  Speaker 3: No one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It'll just be us.
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  Speaker 2: The lesser of the evil.
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  Speaker 3: The lesser of the evil.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll sew.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Fenty will start dressing people for the Met Gala.
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  Speaker 3: Rihanna might go into the Fenty fashion house next.
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  Speaker 1: We know we're not getting no more music.
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  Speaker 3: She's going everywhere but the studio, actually.
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  Speaker 2: She's avoiding it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like she drives past the music studio. She
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  Speaker 2: holds her breath like all people used to do when
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  Speaker 2: they were driving past cemeteries.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: She's probably scared she's going to, like, catch the music
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  Speaker 3: bug and want to go back in there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like she's worried the bug
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  Speaker 2: going to catch her because they've been trying to wrap
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  Speaker 2: her up in something. Yeah, they have. I love her freedom.
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  Speaker 2: I love that for her.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: Now, on this third iteration of us on this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: I have to ask you again now, what's your relationship
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  Speaker 2: with scams? Any new scams? Any new scams? Anybody know
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  Speaker 2: been scammed? It could literally be anything.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. I just recently had a crazy scam. What? Like,
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  Speaker 3: had me on the phone for 30 minutes. So, basically... Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So basically. You know you got free will, right? I do.
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  Speaker 3: I do. I do. But I was having fun at
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  Speaker 3: that point. Okay. I love this. Okay. Yeah. So basically,
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  Speaker 3: this guy calls me. I'm on the plane, right? You're
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  Speaker 3: not supposed to answer the phone on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of plane are you on? Y'all know LeBron's
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  Speaker 2: an influencer, okay? He could be on a G6 for
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  Speaker 2: all we know. He gonna say plane, though, keeping it humble.
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  Speaker 3: I was on a Delta Airlines.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Leaving LaGuardia.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Not JFK. That's the nicer one. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: JFK is the hood to me. Is it? Yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: too goddamn big.
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  Speaker 3: Then why is the tickets cheaper? What do you mean
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  Speaker 3: I got a 30-minute walk.
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  Speaker 2: To my gate? Because that's why it's cheaper at JFK.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, why are the tickets more expensive? Oh, because.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: They want... Every form of pain they want at JFK. First,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to try to attack you with a dog.
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  Speaker 2: And then after the dog circles around you and you
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  Speaker 2: don't get bit by the dog, you go through TSA,
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  Speaker 2: you show them your booty hole. Then once you get
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  Speaker 2: out of there, and they take all your good soaps
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  Speaker 2: and lotions. Then, and they even take your unopened shit too. Like, uh-uh,
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  Speaker 2: one time my mama sent me home with a Joe Malone, like,
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  Speaker 2: full kit. And this heifer, it had a bow on it. Bitch,
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  Speaker 2: you know I'm not about to blow up nothing with
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  Speaker 2: no damn Joe Malone. Okay, now I could get if
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  Speaker 2: this was like Victoria's Secret Body Fantasy Collection. I would
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  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, why do you have so much? Come
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  Speaker 2: above that because I need that.
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  Speaker 3: Why you.
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  Speaker 2: Got so much vanilla bean spray in 2026? Yes, that's questionable.
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  Speaker 1: She took my shit and I saw her eyes having
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  Speaker 1: plans for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she wanted that. That was hers. That was hers
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  Speaker 3: the second she saw it.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, great grift. If I was in TSA, I would
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  Speaker 2: have a scale like a drug dealer and I would
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  Speaker 2: just be weighing everybody's scale.
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  Speaker 3: If you work at TSA, you kind of have to
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  Speaker 3: double bag the garbage. That way you put the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that you own in one bag and then you put
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  Speaker 3: it to the side.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. I think that's what you do. I got to
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  Speaker 3: confiscate this. I got to confiscate this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You got to make sure you on trash duty or
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  Speaker 1: like whatever duty.
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  Speaker 3: That MacBook right here. It's looking a little suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know somebody got one of my MacBooks. I
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  Speaker 2: left it on the way to Ireland. And now, like,
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  Speaker 2: at the airport, you can't just go to a lost
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  Speaker 2: and found. They make you go scan a QR code
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  Speaker 2: and do a bunch of shit. And, like, they was like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the serial number?
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. The serial number? I'm
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  Speaker 3: not Steve Jobs. I don't know the serial numbers.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck do you mean serial number? I barely
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  Speaker 1: know the numbers. I got to.
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  Speaker 2: Know for me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Like, who wouldn't know that?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, like, back in the day, though, when we had
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  Speaker 2: iPods and stuff, like, I feel like people did know
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  Speaker 2: their serial numbers a little better. But not in this
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  Speaker 2: day and age. It was a work computer, though, thank God.
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  Speaker 3: But, like, I know somebody got that. Some people don't
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  Speaker 3: even know their cell phone numbers. I almost said we don't,
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  Speaker 3: but I do. But some people don't even know their
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  Speaker 3: cell phone numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I got, like, three major ones memorized. Like, case of
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  Speaker 2: emergencies and mine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I should throw some more in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to throw more.
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  Speaker 2: So, LaGuardia.
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  Speaker 3: LaGuardia. Yeah, so I'm on the plane. I get a call.
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  Speaker 3: And it says my bank on there. So I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: let me answer this. Because I just left like New York.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, I went to a couple like,
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  Speaker 3: I went to Soho.
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  Speaker 2: So they might have been like, is this you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to Soho. So it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a couple, they're not, every store in Soho is not
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  Speaker 3: like a major chain. Like you got some local businesses there.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, I got to check. Let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Hello?
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  Speaker 3: They're like, we have somebody that's trying to use your car.
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  Speaker 3: And they said something about like in Atlanta. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: in Atlanta? What is going on? That sounds like a scam.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, was that you? I was like, no, that's
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  Speaker 3: not me. And then as the conversation kept going, we
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  Speaker 3: got to a part where he was like, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: going to have to like reset all your numbers. We
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  Speaker 3: need to reset your your account number, your routing, all
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  Speaker 3: of this.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, reset your account number.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, oh, you got to do all that.
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  Speaker 2: OK, play.
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  Speaker 3: How are we doing this? He said it's one of
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  Speaker 3: two ways. Either we get like he said something about
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  Speaker 3: we can send you something in cashier's check. And it
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  Speaker 3: takes a long time. Like it was like 70 business
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  Speaker 3: days or something. Or the simpler way, you transfer all
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  Speaker 3: your money into your cash app and we reset it.
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  Speaker 3: I said, do what? They said, not all your money,
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  Speaker 3: just maybe like $ 5, 000. I was like....
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  Speaker 2: Okay, since when is the bank trying to make deals? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: not all your money. Just like how much you got
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  Speaker 2: in checking?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Again, this is Bank of America.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, this is Bank of America. Yeah, this
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: is us. But they were like, yeah, um... put like
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  Speaker 3: $ 5, 000 in your Cash App. We partner with Cash App.
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  Speaker 3: We have great, we have a great connection with Cash App.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: And he kept talking about that. He kept using the F,
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: is it F? FDIC. FDIC. Yeah, he kept bringing up
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  Speaker 3: the FDIC. And I'm like, you can't just keep saying
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  Speaker 3: the FDIC's name in vain like this, sir. Like that's.
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  Speaker 2: Name in vain is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: You using the FDIC just to, just to like, Confirm
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  Speaker 3: everything that you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why not? You know, cults got they made up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people in the sky, Xenon. Why not FDIC?
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Especially worships money like.
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  Speaker 2: It's God anyway.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm saying this on the F.
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  Speaker 3: The FDIC.
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  Speaker 2: The D and the C.
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  Speaker 3: And the C. Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: In his name.
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  Speaker 3: In the book of the FDIC.
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  Speaker 2: In the fed's name.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Also, like, why are we... Cash App is one of
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  Speaker 2: the more... Cash App's positive show. One of the more
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  Speaker 2: scammier apps where, like, people... are engaging in the scam
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  Speaker 2: on it. I won't call Cash App a scammy app.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but people get scammed. Some people get on there
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  Speaker 1: for nefarious things.
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  Speaker 3: They do, yes.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: Also, Bank of America ain't never told nobody to transfer
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  Speaker 2: no money out of their bank to anywhere else. They
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: don't want you to spend your money. That's why they
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: be calling you all the time talking about, is this you?
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: Is this you? I know you ain't spending that money
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  Speaker 2: we got plans for. Give us that money that we
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: got plans for.
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  Speaker 3: But what was getting me was the fact they called
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  Speaker 3: me and the caller ID said it was my bank,
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  Speaker 3: like same number as my bank. So I'm confused. So
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  Speaker 3: I hang up and I call the number back. But
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  Speaker 3: mind you, when he first called, he said, if we
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: get disconnected, we're going to call you back because we
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: don't want you to call us back because we're going
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: to get lost and you're going to get a whole
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  Speaker 3: new representative. I was like, OK, yeah, that sounds fair.
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  Speaker 2: I have never seen a representative try to stay the representative.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to do that job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then I was like, if I hang up,
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  Speaker 3: he'll call me back if you need me. So I
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: hang up and I was like, but you know what?
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: I'm going to call just so I can see. And
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: I put him on hold. So I put him on
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  Speaker 3: hold and I called the bank.
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  Speaker 2: You did a three-way like Mean Girls?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I three-wayed them. So I call her. I'm like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I got somebody on the other line. They're saying that
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  Speaker 3: they're with the bank and that there's fraud and I
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  Speaker 3: need to do this. And then she stopped me halfway
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  Speaker 3: and then she completed my sentence and was like, they
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  Speaker 3: asked you to transfer money to your cash app. And
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: she said, yeah, a couple of people had did it
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  Speaker 3: and they got them. They got their money. out of
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  Speaker 3: their Cash App. But I was like, oh, but you
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: didn't do it, right? I said, no, I didn't. I said,
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: I actually got them on the other line. You want
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: to talk to them? And she was like, she's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, come on, be messy. I was like, please.
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  Speaker 3: She's playing.
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  Speaker 2: I would have did it.
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  Speaker 3: Conversations is recorded, though.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: That's true. But no, she basically cleared it up and
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: I got off the phone with them. But I almost
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: got scammed.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: I love you being the messy friend. Like, but do
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  Speaker 1: you want to get in.
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: On this stuff?
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: You want to like, you can like, you can really like,
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: really shake them up. If I bring you in.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: So I work here from 9 to 5 and that
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  Speaker 1: is it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure she's remote from her house. So
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: I'm sure she does not want to be messy. with
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: some random man on the phone while she's at her home.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: See, they wouldn't want me being a teller because I
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: would have been like, yeah, click over, click over. I'm
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: going to pretend to be your mama.
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to stop the recording right there, too.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: Right. I would have had a role. I would have
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: been fully involved in everything. We could really turn it up.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm in the hospital. I'm going to make random
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: hootings and hollerings while you're in the background.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: Like, ah, my leg!
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Give him the money, baby! Like just for a little
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: razzle dazzle.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: Just for a razzle dazzle. I want to be involved.
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: I need to hear that in my leg again.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: It's very Spongebob coded.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: I am a child of Spongebob.
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  Speaker 3: Two.
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  Speaker 2: But so when they asked for the numbers, what did
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  Speaker 2: you tell them instead? Because you didn't give them the numbers, right?
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  Speaker 3: No, I just hung up on them. I didn't really
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: have anything else to do because she wouldn't play along.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I had a whole plan with you. And
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: it's like, but she didn't play along. She was a
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: black woman, too. So I'm like, sister, you got to
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: join in on the shenanigans. You got to join in
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: on the shenanigans.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: That's why she did it. Because she was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is my job, sir. I come in here to clack in,
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: clack out.
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: She probably don't want to do no water cooler talk.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: She probably not with the shenanigans. Her work friend's not
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: her real friend.
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: She don't go to happy hours.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: What Barbara Howard say, I do my work, I go home.
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: Period. That's what she said.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: In this economy?
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: She was like, no, I'm not hanging out.
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: You can't because a drink at the bar is $ 86
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: and then you got to pay for parking. And it's
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: $ 25 for parking. And it's only 15-minute parking.
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: And don't have two drinks and not wait two hours
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: for it to process through your system. Then you got
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: to pay for an Uber. And depending on how much
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: you make or where you live, they're going to charge
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: you an arm and a leg.
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: Exactly. And don't door dash the food.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. The pricing. Dynamic pricing is so insane now.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons, like, I mean, Delta
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: came out and said it at an earnings call and
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, so now we're going to start our
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: next phase, which is exploitative pricing. Like, they were calling
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: it that. And it's where, like, AI, like, studies your patterns, like,
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: figures out how much money you make, figures out how
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: much you need to go on a trip. Like, let's
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: say if you, like, Google funeral or if they see
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: bereavement or anything like that in your socials. then they
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: might attribute you booking a flight last minute to going
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: to a funeral.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: We talked about this last time. I remember that.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's getting worse. But Delta said, no, never mind.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: We're not going to do that. But they're doing it.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to buy a flight at the
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: library and see if it's cheaper than on my phone.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're smart.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: I just want to see.
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: You're smart.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: I just want to see.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: Because, you know, I actually like, man, I am a
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: silver medallion member with Delta. So, like, this is disheartening
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: to hear.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got all the medals, too.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: I have the medals. I go to the lounge sometimes.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm like, I got to test it out
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: because I do think they hoeing me.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: I think they're hoeing me.
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: And they got to stop. I miss when they didn't
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: know anything about us. We should all be paying the
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: same price for a flight. What do you mean? You
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: got it.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's why my JFK price was that much.
• 13:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Y'all read my emails. I was there for work.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: And the gaslighting thing about AI now is like, it's
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: like trying to act like it's doing you a favor.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Why are you in my Gmail talking about, we read
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: this for you, girl. They talk about some. No, I
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: didn't ask you to do that. I did not ask
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: you to do that.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: No, on Google, the automatic AI summary at the top.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, which is like, I didn't ask you to waste
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: this water. Like, turn this off. What do you mean?
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't ask you to waste this water.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like AI is like a nosy auntie, like,
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: peeking over your shoulder. And, like, your font is too big.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: And it's like, now everyone is kind of using it unknowingly. essentially. Like,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: everything has it just kind of built in now.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: And people just think like, oh, no, I'm using it
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: for chat and healthy send emails.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: You should be able to do that by yourself. And also, like,
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: do you want chat increasing the prices for everything you
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: have because they know exactly how much you make so
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: now you have to pay proportionally to what you earn
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: and you can't save? That's crazy. But I'm so.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: I'm glad I have not told nobody what I made
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: on there.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that they tried to get you at 35,000 feet.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: That's wild. They did in the air. Well, actually, I
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: had a layover. So I was landing and then I
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: was at my layover. So I'm walking.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: So that's how the signal worked.
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, what kind of like cellular device
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: do you have that you getting sky calls?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: See, so I was landing and when I land, I'm
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: on my way to my layover. So I got my
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: bag and I'm talking and I'm on Cash App and
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: then I'm like, Okay. This is a scam. Let me
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: call you right back, young man.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: And they used AI to clone that number. And that's
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: been happening for a long time, even before we saw
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: this boom.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: They probably used AI to do the voices because I
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: heard a black man. I'm like, brother.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: You can't scam me.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I do feel personally hurt.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Like, my brother.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: I personally feel like every black man is my cousin.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: I have to in this economy. Like, In this day
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: and age, we have to. I don't know.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: In this day and age, I think we have no relatives.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: It's just me, actually.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Same as the day I was born, Jesus.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Came into this world by myself.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's tragic. It really is.
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: Twins can't say that. That's crazy.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: But I'm glad you didn't fall for it. And I'm
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: glad you called the bank because it's always what I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: recommend if something seems suspicious. Also, there's no such thing
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: as we're changing your routing number over the phone.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And he meant that.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: And also, if they suspect fraud, they'll freeze your account.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: They certainly won't make you change all your personal information
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: over the phone.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: That's not a thing. So y'all do exactly what LaRon did.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Call the bank. Hop off the phone. I've been seeing
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: y'all on threads and other apps, like, posting, like, threads
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of y'all texting with scammers back and forth. I just
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: want to reiterate that sometimes when a random text comes
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: to your phone and it's like, hey, are we still
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: on for lunch? And it's a number you don't know
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: and they're calling you Tina and your name is John.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: A lot of times they're fishing to see if your
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: number is attached to a human being. So once they
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: can prove that, then they can continue to further monetize
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: on your number. So sometimes when you respond, you're just
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: confirming that that number is attached to a human being.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: And that's why they don't ever really want anything or
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: continue the conversation. And I used to troll them too.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And then when I found that out, I was like, damn.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Y'all are sick because I used to have a good
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: time talking to y'all.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And that's why they always cut off and don't ask
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: for nothing. I really think they're just trying to make
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: sure that it's a human attached.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I keep thinking, I'm like, wow, somebody is really out
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: there playing with my number like this. Like, y'all is
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: really throwing it around. And y'all is like, I was like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I have one from the same name. And I couldn't remember.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you are really out in these streets.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: And you giving your number away.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: It's all generated like they did with the other ones.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It's a mess. But here we are. And there we go.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Now it's time to get into my favorite segment of
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Leron with famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: love them. Maybe we hate them. We will see along
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the way. All right. So today's Historic Hoodwink, we're going
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: to be talking about, we're going to go to prison.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't want to go there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Only figuratively.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: No, I've seen jail talk. I don't want to, I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in nobody's prison.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: TikTok's honest.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they have phones. On a droid?
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Which actually is going to come into this. Yes, they
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: be making TikToks.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: They be making bricks.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: They be battling on live.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Counting money on stream. I'm like, why you got it
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: better than me? And I'm out here.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, they do have free room and board. But
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it's inhumane living conditions and slave labor.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: And then their meals look so easy to draw, too. Yeah. Like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: there's no detail in their meal.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: The food is barely human quality. So, you know, there's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of things I don't agree with about the
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: prison system. We got to fix that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: We got to fix that. We got to fix that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: That's always been it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: For-profit prisons, please.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Like, it's just slavery. So prison inmates with secret phones
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: are scamming each other's families. So the call is coming
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: from inside the big house.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: The big house.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: It's a house, all right. So a phone scam is
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: targeting people currently in prison and their families. Now, scammers,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: y'all are stooping way too low. Yeah, how you gonna
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: scam somebody who's already in prison?
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: The vulnerable.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Like, they had already got, well, some of them need
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to be there. I don't know until we figure out
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: what to do with y'all. Some of y'all can't be rehabilitated.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people are in there because of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: a pipeline and because of unfair laws and because of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the hue of their skin. And why are you scamming
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: these people who are in prison and the families? Now,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: what the families do, they going through enough.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: You got his grandmama who was just crying in the
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: courtroom two days ago. Now you on the phone trying
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: to scam her. Right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You got the kids coming in, they five or six,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: and they mama done told them the daddy's in camp,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and they got to take their photos for Christmas. It's like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: my daddy always got on that khaki jumpsuit.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: That's his camp outfit.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: That's his camp outfit. He's in the military. You know, that's...
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: That's the uniform that they're testing out. Kanye West has
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: actually decided to take over the costume design for the military.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: After everything fell off with Gap, Ye was like, what
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: about Ye for.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: The military.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: For the military.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: But in prison.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: In prison. Prison.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That's what it's called.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's called prison.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Prison. Prison.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Okay? Okay?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Y'all ain't got Prince A? They got a cologne now.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: It's called Third of the Life. You ain't, it's really good.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I thought you were serious. No, that's real. good. Yes.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It lasts forever. You put it on, it's not coming off.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Don't let the love after lock up people get a
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: hold of that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, no parole on that perfume.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: No parole on that perfume. Okay.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. So callers pretend to be employees
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of the U.S. Probation Office, Parole Commission, or Federal Bureau
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of Prisons. Their goal is to get money and personal
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: information from families of people behind bars. Callers have been
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: promised to get individuals out of prison and supervised release
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: and approve relocation requests. So when they call the scammers,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you Junebug mama? Hey, hey, yes, this
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: is us from who we from today. The U.S. Probation Office.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: And we think Junebug is an upstanding liquor store robber.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And we would love to get him back on the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: streets for only a small fee. And, you know, people
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: miss their loved ones. They want them out of, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: how many spray painted T-shirts have we seen?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Like, free my.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Free my cousin.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And what'd he do? He just killed somebody.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Literally.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It'd be like, free my cousin, Lil Stab.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, guys. I feel like we
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: need to leave Lil Stab in prison.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: What you mean free Lil Homicide? Yeah. No, I can't.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if homicides can be small. I feel
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: like they're very large and Lil Homicide needs to stay
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Like, mind you, there are rappers with songs of their
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: admittance out.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, they be playing them in court.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: And they be saying, free them. He just killed him
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and sung about it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's really the singing about it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: That's what's the worst.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You can be a little remorseful probably after you did it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: And we can say, yeah, maybe free him. Maybe. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you got on the record. Was it an accident?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Did it get out of hand? Was it a stray bullet?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: And whether it was a freestyle or a written rap,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know which one I would be more scared of.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: The fact that you were able to write that down.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: But the fact that you were able to just go
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: back to that place and just spew it out on
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: the mic.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Tay-K did that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: He said, I couldn't beat that K, so I did
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the race.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I remember that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And that song is literally about him running from the feds.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And he was actively on the run from the feds
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: for murder.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: That song got me through many high school parties. Yes.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And I mean, when I was younger, I was like, oh, yeah,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: maybe we should have free Tay-K. His music is good.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And then they were like, do you know what Tay-K did?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh, we should definitely not free him. Okay,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: y'all got to start telling us what they did first.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and like YNW, Melly, Murder On My Mind. Yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: that was my song.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And it was on his mind.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: It was on his mind.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, heavy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Heavy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Too heavy, a lot would say. King Von. You know
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: it's bad when other rappers who are gangsters are like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we need to get him off the streets. Are we
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: sure he's dead?
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: If you call somebody one of Satan's greatest soldiers, I'm
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: going to believe you.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: They call him an imp.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Like, bro, no, I'm sorry.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Now we're pulling out old school biblical terms.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: He gots to go. I don't even want to step
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: on the same path as you on the street. If
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: we're coming, I'm going to move. Crossing the street. Hiding
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: behind a bush. If I ever see you fighting in
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the forest with a grizzly bear, I will help the bear.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Help the bear! Like, I am going to help the bear.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: We gotta help the bear.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: We gotta help the bear.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Hell no.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Hell no.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So they're calling. You know, these scammers are calling and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: they're saying, like, look, like, you give us a little money,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: we can help get a little pow-pow, you know, back
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: on the streets. I don't think that's where he belongs,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: but here we are. But the calls are coming from
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: inside prison cells.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So since before the time of Orange is the New Black,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: prison inmates have had a ton of illegal cell phones.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So illegal cell phones, not a new thing, obviously. In
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: the more power or clout or maybe you're higher up
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: in a gang affiliation, I'm sure it's easier to get
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: contraband into the prison for you. Oh, Orange is the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: New Black.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I'm glad all that work that they did on the
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: outside helped so much.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of our greatest minds are in prison.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Like, no, I'm serious.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: If they had had a chance in life, if they
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: weren't like put in a system, especially like foster care pipelines,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like schools in lower income neighborhoods where they're sending them
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to alternative schools, like they're pushing our black and brown
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: children into prison.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: And then you're seeing them in there.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, when I saw that they was making like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they took a plastic trash can, put water in it,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and then somehow like took apart a flat iron and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: rewired it. It's called a sting. And then they put
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: it in the trash can and it boils the water
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: in their cell and then they cook food in that.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's crazy.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: STEM. STEM.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: We... Like, yes.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: We don't even know what we've lost.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: We gotta start nurturing the youth. Yes. We have to.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, the mayor of Baltimore, he has dropped the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: crime rate significantly because he created after-school programs for these
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: kids so that they aren't running around on the streets.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Kids need shit to do.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: They do. They really do.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It's them damn screens, okay? They need to be outside
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: jumping off of stuff. Kids ain't breaking arms no more.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I had a broken collarbone.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It's a rite of passage.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: You have to break at least one bone. And then
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I broke my wrist, too, but that was another time.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, you're breaking everything. Now, you need to slow down
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: on the breaking.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: The wrist wasn't my fault. The collarbone, I can take
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: accountability for. The wrist, somebody fell on me.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Then that's when you got to get your neck brace
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and your wrist brace and go to court.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Exactly.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: More than 25,000 contraband cell phones were confiscated across 20
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: states in a single year. Here's a local news story
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: from Mobile, Alabama about how the phones get inside. So
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: we're going to see how the phones get inside a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: little bit here. So let's just look at that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: The real secret is this.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Is that what's happening?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Are the guards selling you guys smartphones?
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it goes, you know, yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Corrections officers are selling smartphones to inmates. News 5 learning
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: one prisoner.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Paid $ 500 for a phone and $ 150 for the charger
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: on prepaid gift cards snuck into the building.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: You know, just like anything, there's a way.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: This anonymous inmate telling us the guards think of smartphones
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: as a way to keep the prison population busy, plus.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: As a way to make some cash on the side.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Is that what's going on there?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, yeah, this guy, you.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Know, they empathize. You know, they empathize. They say, well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: you know, okay, I got a family home. And, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: you've got a family that you want to talk to
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: or whatever. And I'm going to make you some money.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, for him, it's a win-win situation.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Okay. Oh, wow.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: This guard was really telling on himself.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Really was.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Love that for us.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, actually, that was an inmate. Sorry.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So that inmate was really telling on himself. And one
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: thing that I love is that that inmate seems to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: have a sense of whimsy because he's like, you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the guards, they empathize with us. Somebody charged you $ 150
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: for a phone charger does not empathize with you.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, Langston Hughes, we get it. That's capitalism. He
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: found that book in there and he said they empathize.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: He whipped out his words, too.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I love it when... I love it. I love it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: That's that's one thing that I that's one thing that
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I will say that I do like is when whenever
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: people come out of prison and they're like just like
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: new person and they're like kind of more they actually
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: become more well read sometimes.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Because it's like I've met people that are like come
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: out and it's like because they find time that they're
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: able to learn things that they didn't necessarily get access
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to outside. And they're like, OK, now I have time
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: to actually do this. So a lot of people, they
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: like pick up different hobbies and they learn different things.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And it was just like, it's so interesting to see
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: how that can sometimes alter their personas. Yeah. It's so interesting.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I think there should be.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: More of that. More of that. I think we need to...
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: That just kind of goes to show you, like even
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: with COVID too, when people don't have much to do
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: and they're just at home, they have more time to
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: learn things and pick up skills. I feel like we...
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: overstimulate ourselves because society has forced us to essentially because
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: of hostile.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Culture we're in survival mode so it's like you're and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you're constantly being inundated with news you're constantly having to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: like stay on this hamster wheel yes and i feel
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: like Well, one of the things that my therapist once
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: told me was that, like, your best ideas come to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you when you're thinking about nothing. Like, it's good to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have some time where, like you were saying, COVID, where, like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and that wasn't the truth for everybody. Shout out to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: everybody who was deemed essential and had to work.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But, yeah. We appreciate you guys, by the way. Oh,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: my gosh.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And you had to work for these ungrateful bastards.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Ooh, y'all better than me.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Drinking for y'all.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I couldn't have been up in nobody's hospital because, like.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: This is tea.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Okay? Do no harm, I know. But, like, some anti-vaxxers
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and some racist people yelling at me. Whenever I watch
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the shows, like, even, like, the pit where it'd be, like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a racist and an anti-vaxxer coming in, they'd be like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want that blackie treating me. And it's like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you still have to do your oath and treat them
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: just like everybody else.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah. Wow.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So, one thing about this prison cell phone thing that
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: is interesting to me is... The guards are charging $ 500
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: for the cell phone. I feel like cell phones can
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: sometimes be a bit more expensive. Maybe they're just giving them, like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: flip phones or something. Because I'm like, I feel like
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a cell phone this day and age, that's kind of
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a steal.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: But, like, we've known that security guards are, you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: what are they called in prison? COs.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: COs.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: That they've been known to bring contraband. So that's not
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: really surprising.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: And guards often do not go through the same rigorous
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: security searches that visitors do. So selling an inmate a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: cell phone, the guard makes money, and also maybe the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: inmate becomes more passive and easier to control, which I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: guess is what he was saying when he said the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: win-win situation, because they're busy on their phone.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: They're making TikToks. They're not sharpening up ships.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: No, that is. It's true. they should lower the prices.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Because $ 500 seems like a lot.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's risk versus reward, too.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Because if the guard gets caught, they might get written
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: up or lose their job.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: No, that's fair. Yeah. That's fair.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's a pretty decent price, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: feel like.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: $ 500? Yeah. iPhones cost more than a mortgage these days.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: So that's probably a good deal, actually.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yes. And so these days, the phones often arrive via relatives, guards,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: or drones. Yeah. They're using technology. So many prisons.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Hey. Hey. Hey.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that's the only thing I want drones doing, okay?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: A nice aerial shot for your music video and maybe
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: dropping off a little prison celly.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Because you've got to drop off the prison, Sally. You've
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: got to.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I want to know what's going on in there. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: know what a brick is now. I know how to
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: make it. You know, prison cheesecake.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot. Who is teaching you this? Jail talk.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, so is there like a jail Martha Stewart that
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: we don't... Martha Stewart did go to jail. She did
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: go to jail.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Martha Stewart is the jail Martha Stewart.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Martha Stewart is the jail Martha Stewart. Okay, you better
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: put some.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Respect on her, okay?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: My fault.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Miss D-Block, okay. My fault.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Hold on.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I wanted to see her still. I just know it
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: was cute.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I know she probably made potpourri and everything up in there.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I know people probably love to walk past and just
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: smell fresh.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Just smell it. Like... Oh, that's Martha's cell right there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Martha's cell right there. Okay.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I hope she had a high play. I hope she
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was cooking things up, you know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: No, she was probably just as crafty.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: All the insider trading that's happening now that people are
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: getting away with, I really hope Martha had, like, a
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: very chill jail time. Like, because she did not deserve
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to go down when all these men are doing that.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Please be serious. So many prison officials want to use
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: cellular jammers that will block all cell phones from working
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: on their property. But under the Communications Act of 1934,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: state and local agencies are not permitted to intentionally interfere
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: with radio communications. No jamming allowed. So the scamming continues.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Ain't no jamming. We keep scamming. And I love that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: for them.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I love that. I love that because honestly, I get it.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: You want to stop the scams, but it's like a
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: part of it was from like they also don't like
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the idea of the prisoners having access to the phones, period.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think that guard cares.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: The scam was not the reason that they wanted to
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: jam the cell signals. The reason that they went to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: jail the cell signals because they knew that they had phones, period.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Not that they were scamming with them. They don't care.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And a lot of guards are sadists. They go in
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: there because they want to have control over other people's lives.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And that's why some people get into being a police
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: officer for the same reason. Some people get into being
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a nurse for the same reason. Not all, but some.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Control over vulnerable people.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: People are not your Sims. You can't just play with people.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The only place that people are Sims is Love Island.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And even there, we've learned.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And then they do stuff that I don't like, too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: But I feel bad for my little Sims because I
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: was like, eventually the show does need to stop because y'all,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: come on now.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Y'all, we can't keep starving and stranding these hot young
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: babies on an island.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Come on, man. They leave their 30 pounds lighter than
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: they showed up.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We never see them eat.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Ever.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And they're like, you better be in that bikini by
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: 4 a.m.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: In the heels.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: We got to dance outside today in the Fiji heat.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Love Island is good TV, though, I will say. It is.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It's delicious.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: It is good TV.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So one cell to another. The Dallas County Sheriff's Office.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: OK, shout out to Dallas. My hometown. They say that
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: scammers are contacting the families and friends of inmates with
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: claims that their loved ones qualified for the early release
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: or electronic monitoring because of overcrowding. And overcrowding is a
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: real thing. During COVID, some people did get out because
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: of overcrowding, so they got out early. Prisoners in Alabama, Florida,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and the Carolinas and California have been charged with running
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: phone scams from the inside.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: This is kind of brilliant, too, because, like, if you're
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: running this scam, let's say you're running it on.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Somebody you know in the prison, you might have more
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: information about that person by the time you start calling
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: their family.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. So you never know, like... Someone over
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: there talking to you, you think you found a friend.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: He asking you what street you grew up on when
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: you was a kid.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Y'all got to pass time.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: After a while, I guess you got to get to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: basic questions.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: You probably get so delirious that you don't even realize that, like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: you're being asked scam questions.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Like, it might start with, like, yeah, man, I got
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: four siblings.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: How about you? And they're like, oh, yeah, I got two.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Wait, I grew up on.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Wait.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: What was the first street you.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Grew up on? What was the first street you grew
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: up on?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's like right off the street from each other.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You know, we look kind of alike.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: What was your mama's maiden name?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe we cousins.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: We might be cousins.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We might be cousins.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: You like cars? You ever have one?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: What was the first? What was the first one you
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: got in high school, actually? Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: What color was it? Mate.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Favorite teacher? You had a favorite teacher in school? Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Color. Color.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And after a while, you don't know. You don't know.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Eternal grandmother. What's her name?
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So Georgia prisoners seem to have practically unlimited access to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: phones for some reason in Georgia. Wait, where is it?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: They have unlimited access to phones. I mean, we talk
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: about Georgia prisoners in general, but we know probably Fulton County.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: We know the city. Probably because Georgia is really understaffed.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: That's where a lot of the scams are coming from.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: In 2026 so far, Georgia has arrested 18 staff and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: 92 civilians for smuggling contraband. The state also has 102
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: open cases against scammers. It confiscates cell phones by the
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: thousand and drones by the dozen.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So now they're catching the drones out of the sky.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that wasn't obvious from the beginning.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Why is a drone flying over a prison wall?
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: What are they doing? Like just taking slingshots and just
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: knocking it down?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like the drone drops it because some drones
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: can like hold something, right? And then like fly over.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And they'll drop it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: So we have a graph of what Georgia's, like what
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: they confiscate from prisoners. So let's see what they're grabbing
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: from the people in the prison. I don't know.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: How do you feel so far about cell phones in prison?
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Not the scam of it all because I don't want
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: like I feel like the scam of like calling inmates family.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: That's that's crazy. Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: But like I like seeing what's going on.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I personally don't care. It's just like, if you have it, cool.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: If you're not doing crime with it. Yeah, if you're
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: not doing crime. If I come across your TikTok live,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I might send a rose or two, actually. Like, y'all
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: be cool.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like, tell me what you did first. And then maybe.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I'll put a little hat on you. That too. Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: What did you do?
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: What you in for, bruh?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: So if we look here, we have the technology confiscated
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: by Georgia State prisons. So this is from 2017 to 2026.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: We see there's like a spike around 2025-ish area where
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: way more people were. And the drones went up, too.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: The phones went up and the drones went up. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: maybe the drones are like, you know, correlation isn't causation.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if they had anything to do with.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Well, the drones was the year before. So the drones
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: was 2024 and then the phones was 2025. Oh, yeah,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you're right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It does correlate to the drones. Yeah, I see. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that makes sense because it's probably way more efficient to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: just fly something over and drop it real quick. Like, yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I get it. So these prisoners who were doing the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: scam with the phone calls would target newly locked up people.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So prisoners just needed one contraband cell phone and a
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: call center type script that they can pass from inmate
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: to inmate. Not y'all done made a call center, this
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: kind of organization that, see? These people could have been
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: volunteering for campaigns. Somebody got organizational skills.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: That's probably who called me. Is that y'all?
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: That might be them.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Come on, man.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they called you from Cell Block D.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. And I was in Georgia for my layover.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: At least you used up at least 30 of their minutes.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, because you know that we had it planned.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Well, do they have lights out?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: There's like a time where you got to go to bed.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very regimented.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I kind of cut into their bedtime then. I'm sorry. Well,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: they called you. They did call me, yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So sometimes they dial a random number and threaten to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: arrest the person who answered if they don't pay a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: fine for missed jury duty. That's a good one because
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: most people are missing their jury duty. But again, I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: told y'all, if someone's going to arrest you, they're not
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: going to warn you beforehand.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Ever.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Hey, just so you know.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, are you home right now?
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're at the store?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: How far are you away?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: 15?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll be there in 15 to arrest you, unless
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you pay me, all right?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to jail tonight, unless you got Walmart
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: gift cards. Like, be for real. I'm hanging up the phone.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So in Kansas, one jury duty ripoff got the scammer
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: nearly $ 600, 000. From the jail?
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. You know, I've been hearing stories about inmates that
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: get out and they go purchase homes and Maybe that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: what they're doing.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you're going to be locked up,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: at least be making money, okay? Like, they're going to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: have you making license plates for pennies on the dollars.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So I guess this is the alternative.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: I do not.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Condone this because these are vulnerable families. And, like, why
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: don't you call some corporations or something? Like, get the
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: people who are hurting us.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And then another strategy they had is they would use
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: info from websites that published the names of people recently jailed.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Jail rosters, booking records, and court information may be publicly accessible,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: which is true. You can find out a lot. You
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: can read a lot of lawsuits online. And if you
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: have the patience to sit and read through, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: possibly hundreds of pages, you can really get some tea.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Where do people find the time?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, please. There's so many people on TikTok who are dedicated.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Dedicated.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: To reading all the popping new trials and going to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the courthouses, sitting in there. And then I found out about-
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And I follow them. I do too.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Because I'm not going to read it. Right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm not going to go, some people go to
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: sit in people's trials for fun, just random trials.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I would do that for like a good trial. Like
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: if it's a trial, I'm like, ooh, to be a fly. Oh,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: but those are the ones that you can't get into.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, you know, they have like a little lottery.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: So you go and then you get a little number.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And so sometimes you can get picked.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, I got to go camp out.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: These are for the ultra nosy in our community.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: You do not have time to camp out.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I got to go. I have to find the time
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: for the right case. Are you smarter than a prisoner?
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I'm pressed. I'm pressed. Actually, give me a press pass
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: so I can get in here. Lord Jesus. Right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: So I can interview everybody.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: So I can interview.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Lord Jesus. Honestly, we joke about this, but this is
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: where we're getting to in our culture. I mean, for
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: a second, they were trying to air or stream a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: public execution.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: So.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: That's not happening no more, right? No, it's not. Oh, Jesus.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I just learned about that yesterday.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And it was absolutely insane.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: And people in that orange man was backing it until
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: he never knows anything. Somebody was like, yes.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: So you also realize that this man is in a wheelchair.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He was like, what? Like, yes, so you want to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: stream across the world that we are going to hoist
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: somebody up, excuse me, trigger warning, and execute them like that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And what he did was horrific, but, like, nobody.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Needs to see that. Like, nobody needs to see what's
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: going on with the execution. Whether you agree with the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: execution or not, it definitely should not be online. PXX
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: needs to lay off that stuff. Like, whoever's, he don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: need Chris Brown, whatever, to say, they got the same deal.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Because whatever it is, it seems to keep, it seems
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to be pure.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's keeping the mind running.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It seems to be pure, okay?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Like, Hexeth is reminding me of them white people who
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: could dance on beat in the 80s. Like, it's like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: whatever he got, it's pure, okay? Because how's he getting
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: out here every day on.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: That book of sugar? You know that gif of that
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: kid and he's like... Yeah, literally.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: That's how Hexeth wake up out the bed every day
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: doing the Lil' Kim dance. Just like, how am I
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: going to fuck up the military today? Like, sir, please.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: The best part of waking up cannot be coke.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: It definitely should be Folgers in your cup.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It should be Folgers.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: In your cup.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Sir, be for real and serious. We can see your
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: jaw moving.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: You can't rewrite scripture like that.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Blinking fast.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: He's a mess. I cannot wait to see him go
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to trial because he gots to go. One of the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: biggest scammers out to date. Be for real. So anyways, right?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: So sometimes, like, they get this information online, and it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: got the booking date, it's got the charges, sometimes custody location,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the identification or case number, right? All online. Maybe if
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: we weren't living in a police state where this information
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: is easily accessible, people in the prison system wouldn't be
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: so vulnerable to scams.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But I digress.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to you, flock on my block, which we've
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: already had so many police officers being, like, either, like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: suspended or fired for using flock to stalk, guess who?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Incorrectly. Women.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Women they know. Stalking them.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: With the cameras.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: With the cameras? Yes.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I was like, why are we going to
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: give police access to some type of technology like this? Like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: let's all be for real. Like, we thought that it
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: was going to be good? No. Scammers use social media
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: to find inmates' relatives and cold call them with fake
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: offers of assistance. I told y'all, take y'all relatives off Facebook.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Nobody needs to know who your cousin or your auntie is.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: They use apps to make calls from numbers that mirror, like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: what happened to you with Bank of America on the plane.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Even though now I think you a menace to the plane.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to be on it while it's in
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the sky. You're not supposed to be on your phone
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: while it's in the sky.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: In my defense, we were landing.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: What if y'all got somebody else's plane land? Okay, the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: planes are too volatile these days.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: He went to plane school. He know how to fix that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, but these days we don't know what's going to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: go on with the plane. Remember when Boeing doors was
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: falling off? I remember black people putting holy water on
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: the side of the plane when they walked in. Other
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: people were patting the side of the plane, making sure
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the door was on good. I have never seen so
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: many people read an in-flight safety manual in my life.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I'm too social media brain because
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I thought that was just a trend and it was over. No. Okay. No.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You can't be picking up the phone. It must be
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a real thing. The only reason I think why is
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: because I was on Air France and we were landing
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and they were like, in French, like, turn off your phones. Like,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: turn them completely off. I was like, the hell we
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: got to do that for? The phone really does something?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: They told us to turn them off.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: See, I didn't know that. I apologize and I'll never
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: do that again. I only answered because it was my bank.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: If it was any... else I would have waited or
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I would have sent a text but when the money
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: calls I apologize though to everybody that was there yes.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that we appreciate this influence and he's and
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: he's learning and.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: He's taking accountability and I'm actually in classes right now.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: He's reading he has so many planes.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: As friends actually I empathize with y'all Yeah. I empathize
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: with y'all. See?
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And then we'll set up a photo shoot for you
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: next to a Delta plane.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Please.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Hugging the wheel.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Actually, let's do that because I need the Delta sponsor.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I do too. Delta, please. Please.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I spent so much money with y'all. Literally.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Y'all taking all my damn money now.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Come on now.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I actually got to book my flight. No, I shouldn't
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: tell y'all.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: No, don't tell them.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Don't tell them because now the price just went up.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Now why would you do that? Now my price going
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: to go up. My phone done heard that. I swear
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I dream about going someplace. My phone was like, we
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: are dead. So so they were like also they use
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: these apps to make calls from numbers that mirror local
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: sheriff's offices as well or bonding agencies. They can also
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: set up voicemail messages for when targets ring them back.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: So if you call, like if the scammer calls and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the person on the other side doesn't pick up, then
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they can have like an automated voice message that sounds
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: professional in the hopes that somebody will return the phone
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: call to them so they can rob them later.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: They say, we'll put you on hold for now. We'll
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: rob you later. Yeah, right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: They don't just give up after they call. Nobody picked up.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Send them to the voicemail so we can rob them later.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get robbed later.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: We'll get them tomorrow, actually.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: There was some TV show where they were trying to
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: hold somebody for ransom.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It was so funny. And they had the person in
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: custody or, you know, like the kidnappers had them. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: they called the person that they were trying to get
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: the ransom from. And the person kept not picking up.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: So they're just like waiting for hours.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Like, damn. Hello.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't pick up.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I never thought about that. Like, how do you know
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you're going to pick.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Up a ransom call? You might miss it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you might.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I got to wait for you to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: get off D & D.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, if you know somebody is missing,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: you need to have your phone open. So that's probably
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: what they're hoping for.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: That might have been their first alert. It was like, hey,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: we got your son. Maybe they don't know they got
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the son.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: That is true.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: See, that's why sometimes y'all got to text back faster
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: because if you start being known as somebody who doesn't
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: communicate on a daily basis, if you go missing, people
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: might not look for you for a little while.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: That is true.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Wow, this is just such a revelation for you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So we have some audio of a voicemail from an
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: inmate posing as a pretrial service. So let's hear this audio.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry that we missed your call. You've reached the
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: main offices for the Pretrial Administration. If you would like
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: to speak to us regarding your loved one, leave the
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: details of their case number, last name, date of birth.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: We will be able to have that file ready for
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: you when we contact you back. An officer will be
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: in touch with you as soon as one is available.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: If this is an emergency of any sort, please hang
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: up and dial 911.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, that last part was cute. It doesn't work here?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: He sounds like he's in a Walmart.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: There's way too much background noise.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: That's a good observation.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: What? Bring back Catfish. Damn.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: That's a good observation. Like, low-key, do we hear his
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: smoke detector go off in the back?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: We got to bring back Catfish. Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Because, sir, you're supposed to record that in your car.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: That's the best audio you can get without a sound studio.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: But isn't he in the jail? He don't have a car.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're right.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's the victim of circumstance.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And you hear the jailhouse behind him.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: You hear the jailhouse rock happening in the background.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Damn. Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. I was more so talking about
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: like the things.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: He was saying that were bizarre to be like, what
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: do you mean if this is emergency call 911? You
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: only say that on non-emergency health lines. So he didn't
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: listen to it. He didn't call the doctor once and
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the doctor didn't pick up. And it was like, if
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: this is an emergency call 911, that makes sense. It's
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: your doctor. Ain't nobody calling the pretrial services on an emergency.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Whoever they called it about is in jail. The urgency
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: is gone. Prison removes urgency.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: There is no emergency to call 9-1-1.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: 9-1-1 clearly has already been called, followed through.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Took it to the judicial system.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Actually, I don't want to call 9-1-1.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Right, that's the last person I want to see.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I want to see.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That's how I got here.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: That's how we ended up in this situation in the
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: first place.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: They actually drove me over here. 9-1-1 was my Uber
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to my current situation.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: 9-1-1 was my Uber is crazy.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Like, what? No stars.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: No stars. I'm not tipping you.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Hell no.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: You were rough with the pickup, actually. I was not
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: pleased with the pickup.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Definitely not pleased with the pickup, okay? Or the drop off.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Drop off was very unsafe. You dropped me off in
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: a very unsafe place, okay? Full of criminals.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: And then when you handled the door, come on.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Right. No way. Yeah, but you're right. The biggest glare
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: there is the background noise. Like, what is happening?
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what wouldn't sell it for me. Yeah. Because
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: it's like, either you work from home and you have
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: roommates and you're doing this. Yeah. Like, are they hiring people?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: You could have pulled a blanket over your head or something.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Or maybe recorded this during lights out when it was quiet.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: But that's a voiceover technique. This is the talking of
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: an actress right here. Okay. Not everyone has that actor
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: training to know that if you do.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Well, they got plenty of time in jail to learn
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a few things.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: To learn.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they should be reading Langston Hughes, not learning
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: how to scam. Okay.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: As long as we don't go beyond phones with the technology.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't want no podcast from jail now.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: That's where we need to cut it off.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Can we consider? What's the topic?
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Because I kind of want to know. Like, imagine. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: feel like.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, if they weren't in. No, no. No. But also.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: No, because the thing is, I feel like.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: If it was like, how did I get here? And
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: it was like, or they called it like lifers.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And it was just like, like, you know, you can't
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: get out so you can snitch on yourself.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yes. Ooh. Like untold stories. And they're all anonymous. Yes.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: And like they bring on new inmates and each inmate
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: tells their story. But there's one central inmate that hosts
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: like maybe he was in there, but he was like
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: a class like a class clown growing up. So everyone
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: knew he had like a really great personality. Yeah. So
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: we should get him to host this show.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, somebody, like, maybe, like, wrong place, wrong time.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, he was only there because he was just
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: with the wrong crew.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, he can host the show. Because he don't
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: really have much of a story there.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Or you need somebody to host it like a Mike
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Tyson who, like, I mean, look, Mike Tyson, we're not
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: fucking with.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: You got CTE, bro. We don't trust none of your decisions.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I said, did he bite ears?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: He bite ears and he got like, I'm sorry. It's
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: hard to be a thought leader when you get hit
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: that many times in the head. That's just too many
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: times to get hit in the head for me to
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: listen to your thoughts. However, I will say like even
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: a broken clock is right two times a day. And
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: you know, when he had his podcast, because he's like
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a scary ear biter man, All of the homophobic men
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: and weak little men who would come on his show,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: if he would be like, that's not right, you shouldn't
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: say that, they'd be like, oh, I guess I could
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: think about it a different way. Anybody else who would
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: correct them on their misogynistic or homophobic behavior, they'd probably
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: fight back or get a little viral clip. But since
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you're sitting next to the apex predator, I guess these
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: men are just more inclined to listen.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: I don't think you understand. I really feel like Mike
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Tyson should earn his freedom every day. That's how dangerous
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: his hands are. Yeah. Like, no, of course, Mike Tyson
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: could tell me the sky was purple. And me, it's purple. Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I see it, actually.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You might need some chastity gloves.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yes. No, we have to, like, you got to recite
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: something every morning.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: But he has to be straight now. Because remember, he
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: only beat up that man on the plane because the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: man on the plane wouldn't stop antagonizing him.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And he only bit an ear once.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, he's done a lot of dark, violent things. So, yeah.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Someone with the stature in the jail to get everybody
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to be vulnerable.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Actually, I'm in too many rooms. I don't mean this,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. Yeah. We might cross paths. Don't punch us.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I rock with you.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Honestly, if I cross paths with Mike Tyson, I might
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: be in the wrong place. That's my sign to look around.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: No, but he's a legend, though.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: He ain't with Trump, though. So, I'm like, where am
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I if I've crossed paths with him and I need
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: to reevaluate?
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Don't come after me, Mr.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Sir.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Why are our legends hanging? No, I can't. Lord Jesus.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. That's another topic for another day.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Why are our legends just hanging out?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Back to the topic at hand.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So, okay. Off of Mike and back to jail. So, like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: how does Sam kind of work? Like, a mother might
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: get a call from a bail bond company about her
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: son who recently went to jail. She does have a
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: son in jail, and the bail bond company is a
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: real business. But the person calling is just another inmate
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: scamming her for money. And here's some examples of how
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: this scam can work. So we've got Sylvia Brooks here.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Sylvia Brooks is a retired nurse in Columbia, South Carolina.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: When her grandson landed in jail, a caller contacted her
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: posing as a worker for a court diversion program. Sylvia,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Granny Sylvia, ended up giving him $ 1, 368 before she figured
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it out. That number was traced to a Georgia prison. So... He.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Done got her to come up off.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Of $ 1, 300. $ 1, 368 sounds like he nickeled this out a
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: little bit. Because that's such a random amount.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: No, he was paying something off.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Sylvia, they probably kept calling like, oh,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: we got a new fee or we got this.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: He probably just wrote down some random numbers to make
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: it look like he added tax or something.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: That's probably what he did to make it seem like
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: he added like a bunch of fees on top of
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: it so it could seem official.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: But before she figured out, that language kind of tells
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: me like if she had to figure it out, then
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: maybe it was more than one payment.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that too.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Ooh, it was a payment plan problem.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it was, like, fees. You know what I mean?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Where it could be like, oh, okay, we paid these
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: legal fees. Now we have to pay this, you know,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: exit fee or da-da-da-da-da. You know what I mean?
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Y'all can't be door-dashing folks, man.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, this is a grandmother.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: You know grandmothers love their grandbabies.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: That is true. My grandma loves me.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: That's when they become nice.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the kids of the parent or the
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: grandparent be like, who the fuck is this?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: It was never this nice to me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: It was never this nice.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like grandchildren are like, especially for boomer and
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Gen Xers, that's their chance to make up on all
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: their unregulated emotion.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: That's their guilty conscience.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: They're like, OK, yeah, I did used to like fist
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: box with you for leaving the light on or not
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: putting the chicken out to thaw before you got home.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: But now my grandbaby gets whatever they want.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: And it's because they have that guilty conscience and they
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: don't know how to apologize. But like I said, that's
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: another story for another day.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Just run around undiagnosed.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, ciao.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Scams!
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: So we have another person.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, Grandma.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I got you to that 13 hundo.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: You ain't going to see that again. So we have
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Art Monk.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, she can.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: If she really got that dog in her, she could
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: see that money again. Now, you're right about that. If
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: she got that dog in her. If she really bought it,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: she could see it again.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe the apple didn't fall far.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: From the tree.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a way.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, grandson in prison. Maybe grandma knew a thing or two. Exactly. So,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Art Monk. This is a 68-year-old man named Art Monk.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: His name sounds like a restaurant or something. Like, Art Monk.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: But his name is Art. So Art started getting calls
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: and texts from an In-N-Out Bail Bonds. That's the company name,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: In-N-Out Bail Bonds.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I like that name.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: They tell you exactly what they going to do. You in,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and we going to get you out.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Don't villainize my burgers like that now. We can't be
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: villainizing the burgers like that.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Can I get my bail animal style?
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Animal style. We got a secret menu that'll kill you, actually. Right.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: So, In-N-Out Bail Bonds says to Art that his adult
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: child was in jail and needed help. Art was over
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: his child's BS at the time and didn't go for it.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: His first response was, not my problem. Now, Art right
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: here looks like a fed up parent.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's pissed.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: The glasses are riding so close to the nostrils.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I can hear his groans. Like, this man, every time
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: he got to get up, he's like, ugh. And whoever
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: his son is clearly has worn out the welcome of,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the parents bailing him out. Could you imagine
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: like like somebody trying to hold your kid for ransom?
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: They call me like, which kid you got? I'll keep him.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Keep him. Don't call me no more.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Lose my number. Right.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: So later, though, Art, the father, he changed his mind
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and texted back that he would help. Now, any communication
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: that involves a government organization and text immediately to me
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: is fraudulent.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. What do you mean you texting me?
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: If it's not an Amber Alert or an old person alert,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: what do they call those? Gray Alerts? Elder Alerts?
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: The Silver Alerts.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Silver Alerts.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: Silver Alerts.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. That's classy.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I like that for now.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Because I don't want to be called gray-haired, but you
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: called me silver-haired, huh?
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Silver Fox alert. That made me want to run away more.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Let me run away a little bit more so y'all
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: can look for me. Yeah, you're right.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Geriatric alert. No, that's not going to work. What you
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: mean Walker alert?
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Walker alert. They can't get far. Motorized scooter alert. No.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Please, stop.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: But for real, like, be for real. But yeah, so
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: he changed his mind. But come on now, texting. So
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: the caller said his name was James. Art kept chatting
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: with James, who was polite and had a Southern accent
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: and seemed trustworthy. Okay.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Good upstanding Southern man.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: He seemed trustworthy over the phone. So Art started sending
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: money via Cash App, your good old friend, for bail, rehab,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And psychiatric medication. Damn. So Art was probably so tired
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: of his son just like wreaking havoc and was trying
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: to help him. He thought maybe James was a good
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Christian man who was going to put his son on
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: the right path. James texted, sir, I'm not going to lie.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: He started crying after I told him how much you
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: spent for him to go to this rehab.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's sick. Oh, he is sick. James, in quotes.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Why would you take it that far? Now this dad
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: thinks he's finally getting through to his son who clearly
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: has been wayward.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: You see, your son... your son cried tears of joy.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I can, low key, we could probably forgive the scam,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: but that emotion, you gotta be sick.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: And we don't know how much art has been through.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine how much you have to be through
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: with your child for when a jailhouse calls you.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Like, not my problem. Not my problem.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: You about to leave your baby in the clizzink?
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: In jail.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: That means that wasn't his first bailout.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Now, there's a couple things that my mother will be
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: fed up with me about. But if she has the
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: opportunity to get me out of jail, she's going to. Oh,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I'm getting out immediately. Yeah, I'm getting out.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: It's not, no, not my problem and I'll do it later.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: She's doing it then. Exactly.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: And, like, I'm also thinking, like, If he says not
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: my problem, I bet that some of his son's waywardness
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: was directly targeted at the family. Who knows how many
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: safes the son done emptied or watches he done stole
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: or his mama's jewelry.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I'd say probably went up to grandma's house and got
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: in that jewelry box.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, especially if you're an
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: active addiction sometimes, that can go that way. So, I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: feel so bad for Art. Art ended up losing $ 12, 000
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: this way. $ 12, 000 trying to save his son.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: $ 12, 000?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: To James.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I'm always saying his name weird because that's not his
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: real name.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Where did Art get $ 12, 000 just to give like that?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Art is a white man in America of a certain age, okay?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: They had jobs. Okay?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Can't fight you on that one.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: White picket fence. Remember when that was an American dream?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Fences? I did see steps in that picture. Art got
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: the two-story house.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: He got multiple floors to be upset on.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Maybe an elevator. We didn't see it. We might have it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Listen, it's only a certain amount of square footage I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: got to be mad at.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Wait, for $ 12, 000, his son has to be doing white
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: collar crime. I don't know.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Well, white collar crime, it might be. I feel like
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: white collar crime, they would have bailed him out.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but white-collar crime, I mean, you got some parents
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: that might be hip to the game and know not
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: to get scammed.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but also they might be of the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: age where you could have saved money back then. You
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah. Like, these are the type
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: of people who could afford a second family on, you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: like a goddamn gas station pumper salary.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: He probably started that piggy bank in 1984. Yep. Probably.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: When money was money-owning. Yes. Yep.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: So he had set the money aside to pay his taxes.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Oh. Okay.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Scammer, Uncle Sam.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It was the lesser evil.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: In this economy, look, we're trying to get the DSA
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: up and we want the tax dollars to go to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: the people. So hopefully there won't be a scam soon.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: But right now, baby, that money wasn't going nowhere either way.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: It wasn't going to a good place regardless.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: So James wasn't a bondsman, right? James, he wasn't a bondsman.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: He was an inmate locked up two hours away at
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Washington State Prison in Davisboro, Georgia. Art contacted the local
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: sheriff's department and texted the scammer. You just messed with
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the wrong hombre. Hombre? That's how you know this white
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: man was mad. Uh-oh. He started pulling out the white words.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: He said, you're cruising for a bruising, buddy.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: You're cruising for a bruising.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: You're about to take a long walk off a short cliff.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: You're skating on thin ice, pal. He hit him with
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: that one. Oh, brother, get a load of this guy.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Get a load of this guy. Okay.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I've just about had it up to here.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just about gotten off with you, man. A
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: bunch of malarkey.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. Don't do the shenanigans to this man. Hombre?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Hombre.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want to know what he's on.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: Hombre, he reached into his bilingual bag.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: He said, just in case, whatever language you speak.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: He stopped and he got him a tostada before he
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: said that. He's made sure he said that was fresh
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: on his mind when he said, he said, you messed
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: with the wrong. He just left Taco Bell. That was
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: fresh on his mind. Mild sauce. Right.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Ripping it off with the teeth.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Probably got a little residue on his fingers when he
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: said it. Right.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: All up on the phone with his large font.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Autocorrect probably pressed the K before he pressed the H.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: And then he got it out.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And can you imagine?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Art is probably so tired of his son scamming him.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: And even now his wayward ass son has managed to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: scam him again, even though the son wasn't involved in it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: Now, that would piss me off to even more.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Like, your son is so bad, I done fell for.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Another damn scam.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Because why is you talking so much in prison that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: people know that I'm your daddy?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Like, why are you talking so much?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: And how do they know you're susceptible to go to jail?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: And were you in that jail? Because is word traveling
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: to other inmates?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: So Art Monk is standing on business. We done got
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: that from the language he's using. He said, OK, pal, pal,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: pack it up, pal. All right. So he went to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: the Richland, South Carolina sheriff's office and he filed his
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: complaint with his evidence. And nine inmates were charged for
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: stealing over one hundred thousand dollars from one hundred people.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: And to boot, when their sentences are up in Georgia,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: they will be extradited to South Carolina so they can
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: face more charges. Because remember, they were calling from Georgia prisons,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: but they were calling multiple different states running this fraud.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: So they got charges in more than one state. So
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: they're just doing more jail on jail.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: $ 100, 000 from 100 people.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Okay. What are you doing with it in there? Like,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: why you just couldn't take that scam and put it
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: behind your ear and then save it till you got out?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they're getting more, you know, like you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: use that money to buy contraband or you use that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: money to, you know, get more stuff from the commissary.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're sending it home. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: That would be nice if they were sending it home.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe there's some altruistic.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I hope they're sending it home. You've got to cut
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: granny off a little bit. Maybe the son got to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: run the scam, too, so he can send his daddy
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: the money back.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Not you trying to get the whole family involved. This
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: is not a family affair. We do not want them
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: to do this better. Because they are coming against like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: innocent people, people who have lost loved ones to prison.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: And losing a loved one to prison, I mean, it's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: not death, but it's like kind of like what? Like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: one step away from that because they're not in your
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: life anymore. And depending on where they are and what
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: your financial situation is, you may not be set up
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: to see them.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Or depending on what they did, they might just be
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: dead to you anyway, you know?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: No, that's true. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: You're right. And when it comes to Art Monk, I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: feel bad for Art Monk because he didn't use his
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: tax money on these scammers. He's not going to see
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: a dime of that money back. But I'm glad he
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: at least got some justice and brought this to people's attention. Now,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: are there still inmates with phones? Absolutely. I mean, we
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: saw not too long ago that music man, the Take
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: That Man, I'm not going to say his name. but
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: he was beat up in the jail that he was in.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: He was?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, by someone named Dudas, who I guess is like
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: a big Jamaican drug lord scary guy because Dudas was
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: mad that Diddy and Dudas, I'm going to say the name,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: but these names are ridiculous. If y'all see anybody with
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: a name like this, just run away because they can't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: be up to anything good.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Why does it sound like you're humming a song, Diddy, Diddy, Dudas?
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  Speaker 2: Did he do this?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Did he do this?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, he did it. Did he do this?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Did he do this?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: So Dudas beat him up and sent him to the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: hospital because he was getting massages in jail. He was
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: drinking Hennessy. He was having personal phone calls with a
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: personal cell phone. They said he had somebody who would
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: come and clean his cell. He was having a whole
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: wonderful life in there. And because he's so famous, other
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: people were taking pictures of him and then they got
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: leaked online.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: And so then the jail had to crack down on everybody.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: So then everybody was mad at him. And now he's
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: been transferred.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah. So I think, like, I don't think all
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: prisons are cracking down on the cell phone use. But
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: when the heat is on them, then obviously they tend
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: to try to, like, do the right thing.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But in a situation where it's mutually beneficial for the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: inmate and the guard on multiple levels to sneak in
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: a cell phone, I don't see that stopping anytime soon.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Do you?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't see it stopping because it's like
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: the call is essentially coming from inside the house. Yeah,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: the big house. The people that have the ability to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: stop the phones are literally bringing the phones into the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: place and they're benefiting from it. They're not going to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: stop something that they're benefiting from.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: And they're benefiting in more ways than one because that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: inmate that we got the interview from said that the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: guard gets some cash. And it's not like they pay
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: CEOs a lot of money. Yes, and they chill out.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: They're less stabbings, less raids. Because now, you know, they're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: on the phone playing games.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Not none, but less. Right, less.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, now they're on the phone lying to women on
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the outside.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: Some of them telling the truth. They all lying. I've
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: seen love after lockup. Some of them telling the truth.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: If you've seen love after lockup, you know most of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: them lying.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: They are just stepping away from the truth for a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: split second.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Stepping away from the truth is wild. No, these are lies.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: This is a fantasy. This is a step. This is
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: a we're disembarking.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I wasn't lying. I was just joking. And you believed it.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: I was being whimsical.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: I was just imagining things.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And one thing we know about people in jail is
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: they love to be on the phone because when and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you can buy prisoners like inmate phone calls. It's like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: open to the public. That's how we got all of
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Young Thug's jail phone calls where he was just yapping.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: He was just on the phone yapping. Look, he didn't
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: do no scams, but he was on there yapping about
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Indy and everybody and it all came out.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: He was just, I just know he had his feet
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: kicked up. Which was crazy. Which was crazy because it's like,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: you know that these can get leaked.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he did.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if people were aware or I don't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: think they were aware that the Internet is so sleuthy
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: these days that they are going to find you. Like
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: they're going to get everything about you, which is kind
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: of sad.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I assume that almost everything that I do outside of
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: my home is being recorded.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Which you should because it is.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Like i assume everything that i do outside of my
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: home is being recorded so i act accordingly.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: You really do we are in a surveillance.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Yes we like how do you feel about the scam
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: how do i feel about the scam.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yes okay so the scam essentially i'm gonna remove contraband
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: like Not drugs, but like cell phones specifically. I'm going
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: to remove that from this specific situation. The scam of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: the people with cell phones calling from in the prison.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I think the idea of preying on innocent, vulnerable people
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: in the outside is sick in general. And it makes
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: me question a lot of like morality with the situation.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, these people are in prison.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Prison. Yeah, so maybe there's not much morale.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: There's innocent people in prison. There's people with a moral
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: compass in prison.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as long as.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you go there because you got to handle your business.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but honestly, I doubt the people that are sorry
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: that they're in prison are the ones doing these calls.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, but this also just proves that like if
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: you're a scammer, if you're a serial entrepreneur, you're always
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: going to find a way. These people have been locked
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: up and they have still found a way to get
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: money out of people.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: And it's like it's so sad because it's like you
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: obviously have the mind and the drive to do such
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: amazing things, but you were a victim to a situation.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: And I feel like that can go into a whole
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: nother different topic. So I'm not going to go into that.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: But like, you know, that's just like, man, like. I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: don't know. I hate it because it's like you don't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: want people to get more jail time, but obviously you
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: did something wrong.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: So you get it, but it's like you have a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: brilliant mind. Truly, I wish we.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Could be using it for something that wasn't taking advantage
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: of other vulnerable people.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Because clearly, whoever was running this ring, you got nine people.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: You got a whole ass call center.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: You know how to run games.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Let me put you on hold.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: You can literally get out of there and open up
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: and recruit people the same way in the real world.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: A little murder.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: Pick up on line five.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: No, because the thing is, you have to have that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: quality to see something in people to know that you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: can bring them on board and run something successful.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: You got recruitment skills.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: You know how to do this. This is crazy. This
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: is so crazy that this is what's happening.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I know. I don't mind phones in prison. I think
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: it's weird to try to overlord on other people because
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: they've committed a crime.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Now, there's certain people... they don't need nothing in there
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: yeah like.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Actually just give them four walls.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah you need to be in the shoe but but
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: you know like if you i don't know you i
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what's something that i'm like you go to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: jail but i'm like man is it really should we
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: be in jail should we be in jail yeah like
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: okay let's say like if you're in a state that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: uh puts people in prison for weed Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: So if you're in jail for weed, like, give the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: weed man a cell phone.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's real. That's real.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: And let him, like, make his recipes on TikTok.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Or maybe just let him out.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let him out is actually what we want.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Actually, just let him out.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Damn, man has really fucked my brain. I asked for
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: so little. I was like, oh, give him a cell phone. No,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: let him out. Let him out. Wow, Leron.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: This country, the bar, there's no bar.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: The bar.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: We are just in hell. There's no bar to look at.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: There's no bar. There's no bar.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Because the world is being heated up because we're using AI.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: The bar is in hell. We're in hell. Yeah, I
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: don't know if the bar... I think the bar didn't
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: come with us. We are the bar, unfortunately.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the bar was like, y'all got it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: The bar actually said the core of the earth is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: actually a lot warmer than this place. Yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Guess let them out. Oh, my goodness.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: They're still doing this. At least they caught one ring
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: of scammers. And hopefully they'll catch other scammers. But leave
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the people who are doing TikToks because I like that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're fun. They're having a great time. They're just TikTok-ing.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: And then they're getting the gifts on TikTok. See, that's
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: a productive way for them to get money. Go on
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: TikTok Live. That's how other people are making money.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Now we're encouraging everybody in prison to go on TikTok Live.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, go on TikTok.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: LeBron, everybody can't be a TikTok star like you, okay?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: They got to be in jail right now.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, then maybe do Beagle or something. There's a
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: bunch of places they can go live. Not these options.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Leron, thank you so much for coming on today.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I have the time of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: my life every time I come here.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: I love when you come in here. Yes. We always
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: ask at the end of our show, where would you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: like to be found and where people can follow you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: or any projects you want them to see, all that
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: good stuff.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, you can find me on all my socials and
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: it's Leron Hines Official. That's L-A-R-O-N-H-I-N-E-S Official. I'm trying to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: get it changed to just Leron, but it's tough. Instagram
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: is the only one that's been tough for because they
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: won't give up that username. But I do have some
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: things in the works. I'm working on a show, and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Lacey's going to be my guest. Oh, yes. Yes, she's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: going to be my guest. So I'm very excited. A
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: lot of things in the works, so just stay tuned
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: for me. It's coming.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're such a talent, so I cannot wait to
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: see and to be there.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, because Lacey's going to be there.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Now, if somebody calls you from a jail phone, that's legit.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And just get those Walmart gift cards before I arrive.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Yeah, of course.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, great. Thank you so much. As always, guys, you
• 1:14:09
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• 1:14:11
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• 1:14:15
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• 1:14:17
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• 1:14:20
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• 1:14:23
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• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: want you to get out there. I want you to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: get out there and follow your calling. Yes.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Follow your calling wherever it may lead.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Don't let it lead you to jail, though.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't let it lead you to jail. If the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: jail is calling, hang up.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Hang up.